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| …but there is one kind of artist I’d never want to support. So, before signing over my trust, dollars, and handmade goods to an internet acquaintance for a worthy cause, I’d personally want to investigate things a bit further…which I did, when I heard about a small baby’s plight. And I have a few questions as a result, the answers of which might be of interest to many loving, generous people here on Etsy. Because what I found was not only very disheartening, but of such a questionable nature on a much larger scale, that my husband asked that I not post this on a blog, but anonymously (to the extent possible). So I am posting my questions in here, along with links (which have backup screenshots) and am hoping (before this thread is closed) to discover some answers or at least alert many honest, kind-hearted people here to a significant problem:1. Why, when you lived in Oregon with Nicholas and your baby, was your name not Echo Vincent (a Pipl.com search comes up with no results in that state)—and when he wrote those Homestay ads through the Portland Homestay connnection, looking for a place to stay in Turkey, why did he say your name was Brittaney or Brittany (spelling two different ways on at least two different occasions)?
Homestay Istanbul — Nicholas & Brittaney VIncent Avirett — 20 June 2008 …. Vancouver and Portland schools for a classic homestay this summer June to August 2008. … http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/homestay/index.pl?read=11123 Private Tutors – any language - Underneatb tbat is a link entitled, “Writing Endeavors” which takes one to a page of poetry apparently jointly written by “Echo” and Nicholas: http://passepartout.tumblr.com/ So apparently Brittaney = Echo Vincent (or = Echo Avirett, as in the case of the baptismal announcement here): 2. Why does that Homestay organization have so much fraud that readers are told: “Please read before replying to any message or email: Fraud on homestay host using Western Union and Scam Alerts.” ***Scam alert page: http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/scamalerts/index.pl. ***Going to that link, one of the common scams listed: “Fake charity/ministry: An orphanage, pastor, NGO, etc. in an African country needs your cash.” Well, that’s an interesting coincidence: http://thestoryofadia.blogspot.com/ 3. Why did you stay for such a short time in Turkey with that different name, and how much money did you raise for the plight of ‘the poor Roma peoples whose homes were being razed?’ A cause which you took on and wrote about for media release almost immediately upon your arrival in Istanbul? http://unealouette.blogspot.com/2008/08/blog-post_23.html http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2008/08/379021.shtml 30.Aug.2008 02:29 news release: From the Portland Independend Media—newswire article, with donations/support asked for via the dustcastles gmail address: “Destruction Sulukule of Roma District in Istanbul: Call to Action! Call to action to raise awareness of and support for the Roma people of Sulukule district in Istanbul, Turkey, which is currently being demolished to make way for gentrification. “As I write this, bulldozers raze the partially evacuated district of Sulukule, the home of the Roma community since the Byzantine period, and the first sedentary Roma settlement in the world in the 15th Century. The houses, the streets, the entire district of Sulukule are parts of an extraordinary monument that represents an age and an ancient people: a precious and priceless World Heritage Site.”… It may be too late to save Sulukule, but we still need to raise awareness and support for the Roma peoples of Istanbul.”… 4. Why do you now go by Echo J. Vincent, the same unusual name as another 29-yr. old young mother who grew up in Montana—but who is obviously not you? http://www.brucevincentspeaking.com/contact.htm (Listed as Personal Assistant to her dad, “Bruce Vincent”; married and now Echo Venn.) And who is, interestingly enough, also involved in charitable work with her father Bruce Vincent: http://www.providerpals.com/about_us/meet_the_team.htm You can’t be this same Echo J. Vincent–you have been attributed Vancouver roots by your husband in the Homestay ads (though again, a pipl search for an Echo Vincent in Canada http://www.pipl.com/search/?FirstName=echo+&LastName=vincent&City=&State=&Country=&CategoryID=2&Interface=1 And when did you change your name? Seems you were still going by Brittany/Brittaney when your husband (who also goes by the name Nicholas Sheram many places online) posted his “New Member” inquiry (on a site he’d been a member of for 4 years) concerning your move to from Turkey to India: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/temple_cleaners/message/2225 Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:21 am Nicholas Sheram <strayoff@…> [Profile info when clicked: Name: Nicholas S, male, from Atlanta, member since June 6, 2004.] Restoratives-NEW MEMBER ENQUIREY Message List Hello, “My wife and I have recently moved to Kottayam in Kerala from America and are looking for a way to get involved with the community of our newly-found home. We have both been very interested in the ancient religion and culture of India ( hence our decision to move here) and would like to offer our services to the temple restoration group. My wife is a visual artist with experience in the restoration and maintenance of old works of art, and both of us have cultivated a long-standing interest and study of both Eastern and Western philosophy as well as the study of linguistics. We would like give our help in any projects we could be considered helpful in, as well as opening a channel for discussion of topics that are of interest to those who study the culture of ancient India. We are available for any projects in the state of Kerala ( depending on our working schedule ) and the surrounding states. We look forward to this chance to participate in the restoration and preservation of Indian culture and heritage. Thank you, Brittany (sic) and Nicholas Avirett “For beauty is nothing but the beginning of terror, which we are still just able to endure, 5. I’d also like to know how much of my money would actually be supporting Adia, rather than pouring into the Hindu BAP that you and Nicholas are involved in, whether at the Swaminarayan Hindu Mandir in Portland: http://unealouette.blogspot.com/2008_06_01_archive.html or the one in Chicago, or at any of their worldwide mandirs: According to your forum posts, you don’t want to name the Adia foundation ‘Gifts of God’ because you “don’t really want it to seem to have any particular religious affiliation.” http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6269004 . So, I guess I’d want to be assured of that, in that by the looks of the marble and gilding and new construction plans, (see photos # y080822-19f through 22f in the August photos at this link: http://www.baps.org/download/photo.htm#2008 ) a hungry baby in India could sure use the money more than this organization. There are many, many more questions, but these 5 are probably an adequate start. |
Maybe Trudy needs to move on and get over it. She has been on this self righteous kick and then sets up a sock puppet account.
She should call the U.S. Embassy and get the facts rather than rely on the internet. If she donated a lot of money then she should contact the Embassy. If she feels others may have been ripped off then she should contact the Embassy. Otherwise, it just looks like she’s cyberstalking.
Hey, that’s my anonymous name!
By the way, I don’t think this is Trudy. Even if it was, some excellent points brought up here – why all the inconsistencies? Name changes? The whole thing is just odd.
For the record, I have not made up my mind yet as to whether these folks are really scammers or they are just incredibly flaky. Maybe I never will.
It’s not Trudy. Funny you should point the finger at her when others have questioned the validity of this “charity”. The writing styles are not even closely similar.
not trudy but someone did their research. wonder what is true anymore.
It’s most likely angelstuff/chantelle–isn’t she that one who kept harping on it? I just looked and strangely enough, she’s on “vacation til the end of October”, but ran to closed threads to post just as soon as the thread was up there. Avoiding blowback much?
I’m still not getting what’s earth shattering here…
meh.
Can someone give the CLIFF NOTES version of this thang? I know it has something to do with someone named Nutmeg, some child dying of cancer, and many closed threads–anybody got a pithy summary of this etsy drama?
I don’t think this is Trudy either, but whoever it is sure did their homework.
I wish they would spell it out without all the links where you have to search.
Either way, it doesn’t look good for nutmeg and company.
This was not written by Trudy OR Chantelle OR Filbert OR anyone else you want to suggest; you’ve never heard from me before on this matter, as it only recently came to my attention. I am investigating this because I care about the Etsy community and I hate seeing people taking advantage of someone’s trust. And in this economy in particular, it pains me to see the many loving and generous people here whose time and money are being stolen as well as their good-faith trust in humanity.
EdC (oh, just got it Etsy buyer!, duh!)
Are you going to have another thread starting with Question 6? If so, looking forward to it.
Thanks for taking the time to investigate this.
Kitten, that won’t be possible on Etsy, as this ‘anonymous’ account got canceled with the thread closure. I’m not finished, yet, though, and I urge Etsians to do some of their own poking around. We want to believe the best of people, but the sad fact is, the internet has opened up new potential ways of conning people. Thankfully, it also gives us many tools for doing our homework.
that whole thing smells…
The uludag (forgot name) thread was *it* for me. Once the nutmegs stooped to that level, I lost what little trust I had for them. I am astounded that so many blindly follow her. Maybe they don’t see a way out without looking foolish.
Any possiblity you can do a follow-up thread… maybe by EdCBuyer2?
I wonder if you will get any straight answers to your questions. My guess is no, but who knows, they sure are talented with cranking out bullshit.
I’ll do what I can do, Kitten. If/when there’s anything more definitive, I’ll find a way to get it out.
(I was thinking maybe, EdCSeller2…)
And I’d like to amend my post up above; I should say “whose time and money MAY be being stolen, as well as their good-faith trust…” Nothing has been proven, here, and that was a misstatement; there are just many red flags at this point.
Soooo… you are contemplating opening up another sockpuppet account to share additional information on Etsy?
WTH?
You all wanted Nutmeg and the whole Adia thing OFF of Etsy… why does everyone else keep bringing stuff up there?
BlackTear, my EdCSeller2 comment was a joke. I’m not one for typing smiley faces, sorry that wasn’t obvious. It’d hardly be likely that the Etsy folk would let EdCSeller2 sign up without it raising an eyebrow.
If I have more to say on the matter, I will find a legit way to do so.
And while Aida may not be in the forums, it’s hardly true that it is “off Etsy”. There are Adia “aunties” posting links to Adia blogs in their shop announcements, multiple treasuries dedicated to Adia, and at least one team, called the Adia Foundation: http: //team.etsy.com/viewteam.php?id=682 . If this cause is permeating Etsy, then it better well be legit or Etsy will have some serious egg on its face as well as some very disillusioned buyers/sellers/members.
this is as good a place as any to call them out.
i’d like to hear more for sure.
First, Chantelle, sorry! I thought it was you, but I guess not.
As for “EdC”,
Who the hell cares? If people want to throw their money down a rat hole, let them. Every day there’s a new cause to throw your money at. Participate, or don’t. But if you’re gonna go after the nutmegs, you need to go after all the other people asking for money too. There’s no proof they’re legit either. Remember Christine Francisco? People gave her a lot of money. A lot. Way more than anyone gave to the Adia cause. You can go to findthemissing.org and learn all about hubby dear. The problem with saying that someone is legit and someone else isn’t, is that there’s no way to tell for sure who’s legit. Every day someone’s in the forum asking for money, who’s to say who’s telling the truth? People want to give, and they give freely. Whether person A gives to person B, it’s none of person C’s business. Everyone needs to just mind their own damn business.
For the record, I have not made up my mind yet as to whether these folks are really scammers or they are just incredibly flaky. Maybe I never will.
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Me either. Gotten stung too many times, though, so don’t want to donate to anyone anymore.
forum rubbernecker:
1. I’m not saying they are or are not legit…yet. I’m raising questions (and there are more).
2. Who says I don’t ‘go after’ anyone else?
3. I care. And I betcha there are some other people out there, too, that care about things like goodness, truth, and trust.
Sorry if I thought you were Trudy. Your writing style is so similar to hers.
Irrespective of what you uncovered, if you feel there is fraud, you really need to call the U.S. Embassy. They can and will help if you contact them. Just call and ask to speak to someone who speaks fluent English. Each Embassy has staffers who do. You also can call the U.S. State Department.
If you sincerely feel this is a scam, why not take it to the authorities to let them sort it out, rather than post a thread on Etsy with a sock puppet account? Do it quietly and do it the right way. If it’s a fraud, that’s up to the authorities to determine, not you.
Your post is confusing but I gather you are alleging that these folks solicited money under the guise of a sick child and used those funds for another purpose in another country. That would constitute money laundering- a very serious crime.
I would doubt you have gone to the authorities because you wouldn’t be posting your findings on the internet as I am sure they would have told you to keep quiet so that no tracks could be covered which could impede an investigation. In other words, if your sincere intention is to stop what you feel is fraudulent and/or possibly illegal activity- posting on the internet will not bring justice to those who may have been scammed. Only the law can do that.
By going to the authorities, you are giving yourself complete impunity should any of your allegations not pan out. Posting on the internet won’t and you could be subjecting yourself to legal ramifications if you are wrong. And yes- you can be easily tracked.
I guess you need to determine what your real intentions are.
PS- Sorry bout the same name Hmmm, hmmmm has been my screen name for chatting since 1999 and was my email address in my college days.
If I were dumb enough to believe everything I hear online, and simple enough to send money to someone who wouldn’t recognize the truth if it bit her on her tattooed hipster nipples, I hope I would at least be smart enough to acknowledge my stupidity at some point and wise enough to acknowledge that , yes, I am embarassed to be so stupid but at least the shame should prevent me from making such an asinine mistake again in the future.
I also hope I would have the grace to appreciate those who are willing to out on a limb and do something.
Then again, I might just be too much of a dumbass to do any of those things. Instead, I might lash out. I might try to shoot the messenger, if only I were smart enough to know how to load a gun. I might use the old “IT’S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS EVEN THOUGH IT ALL TOOK PLACE ON ETSY AND HAS ONLY CAUSED MISERY AND DISRUPTION ON ETSY EVER SINCE JUST DON’T DONATE IF YOU DON’T WANT TO DONATE WHAT ABOUT NICHOLAS FRANCO REMEMBER WHEN HIS WIFE STOLE ALL THAT MONEY AND HE RAN OFF TO JOIN AN ALL MALE KNITTING GROUP WELL THAT MAKES THIS ALL OKAY SO JUST SHUT UP STOP REMINDING ME THAT I AM A DUMBASS I JUST WANTED EVERYONE TO BELIEVE THAT I AM A GOOD PERSON.”
I hope Echo and her Bunnyman are having a good time at the festival!
I was not aware until right this minute that you were covering this. I picked it up and ran with it, too. Not only that, we caught nutmegclick lying about her items.
http://pussdaddyblogs.blogspot.com/2009/10/more-nutmegclickadia-in-india-crap.html
In this listing she claims to have restored these vintage nesting dolls, going so far as to say she took up apprenticeship from a master toy maker to be able to do it. Check out the last picture on the right that she wants you to believe restored to new. It will be fucking hilarious to you in just a moment
http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=17632385
Now check out this online shop that is run by nutmegclick and her husband. It actually has his name on it as being run by them and there you can buy hundreds of these same dolls.
The dolls
http://www.alibaba.com/product/in106927838-106468683-0/Wooden_Nesting_dolls.html
His name on it
http://www.alibaba.com/member/in106927838/aboutus.html
http://www.alibaba.com/member/in106927838/contactinfo.html
I said from the get go this whole Adia thing was a scam, and I removed the link from my blog after a few days. People who will go to these lengths to make a few bucks on Etsy will go to greater lengths if more money is involved, or if they think there might be. She used a camera and some flowery writing to list these dolls and make people think they are vintage and she restored them. All she has to do is locate a woman with a starving child in India, they ususally beg in the same area because they know they can make money, and take their picture and make up a story. The woman probably lets her picture be taken because nutmeg is a foriegner and a novelty to them, and maybe she even drops a penny or two on this woman for the privilege. At this point I am not so sure that this child is not being used, and not just by her mother to beg.
PussDaddy
hmmm, I appreciate your comments. Please read all my post; I have alleged nothing. I raised questions, and your inferences will be your own. And there is nothing to ‘keep secret’ here; the info in my post is available for free to anyone with a computer.
bedazzled, this may make you angry, and I very much appreciate your comments of support for my raising my questions, but I am not comfortable with this turning into something that vilifies someone–especially when those questions are unanswered, and aren’t likely to be, in here. This is rather a post to ponder, though I understand it will touch deep emotional hot buttons. But if it turns ugly, WordPress will ask for this to be deleted, as they should.
And for now I’m done posting; take care, all.
It’s ok. I have enough alleges of my own to share with everybody.
PussDaddy
Nutmegclick has 3 shops: nutmegclick, nutmegclicks, and pulpindia, but nowhere does she declare all of her shops in any of her shop policies, or shop profile or shop announcement or even shop listings.
PussDaddy
Holy Sh*t
I honestly didn’t expect that from nutmeg. Reselling as homemade.
I can’t wait to see the “aunties” defend this one. Same thing as the people who defended shade. I am curious to see how long it takes for them to admit to being duped.
wow this is so sad =(
I was so close to donating profits from my shop to this cause but I mean how can you just look at all this information and just shrug it off? I completely understand that this is all *MAYBE* until it is confirmed but that’s a helluvalot of *maybes* and the post by pussdaddy, well that one doesn’t seem to be a maybe at all…this is depressing all these people crying wolf in etc for money, when the real child is in dire need and someone with honest intentions posts they wont get any help at all.
What will be revealed next.
Those who have been warning others may have saved many kind hearted Etsy members being duped and restricted the collection of money significantly. Has anyone seen their Treasurer recently, is she keeping away because she has seen the light.
Who was the treasurer by the way?
Also, you guys know that I outed them for shilling as well already, too, right?
http://pussdaddyblogs.blogspot.com/2009/09/etsy-buyer-uludag-mocks-another-etsian.html
I hate to keep leaving my own blog links on someone else’s blog, it seems so, I don’t know, spammy. But I have only left them like that on this nutmeg crap as typing all of this out is a PITA and I am very sick as well and not up to doing it. In fact I will probably regret tomorrow having done what all I did today. So I just want to say thanks to the blog master of this blog for allowing my comments through with my blog links on them. They do add to the conversation though and are not intended as spam.
PussDaddy
I am very interested to see where this all leads.
also, it might be interesting if someone posted her ‘nesting dolls’ scam thing under the comments here:
http://www.handmadenews.org/article/index.php?id=3601
since there is a whole article about the adia foundation.
I won’t defend Nutmeg if she’s reselling on Etsy…
And EdC…
if you choose to ‘go after’ the others, well, just let me know. I can help with information for at least one of them.
Heck, Chantelle can even get a 1-on-1 with me if she wants, since she’ll be in Edmonton for the next little bit.
“I can’t wait to see the “aunties” defend this one. Same thing as the people who defended shade. I am curious to see how long it takes for them to admit to being duped.”
Its natural to be reluctant to admit to being made a fool of by a liar, its very hard to prove or disprove things especially events in another country but in general if someone lies to gain a financial advantage, as with the nesting dolls, its a good indication that other things they have said that don’t add up are also lies.
I think above all one way to look at it is not that you have been duped if you were drawn into this and it ends up playing out badly, but to keep in mind that it is often not that you were “played” so to speak, nor does it very much matter what the recipient did with what you donated, but rather what counts most is the spirit in which whatever you gave was given. If it was given in good spirit you have nothing to be ashamed of and everything to be proud of and it is my belief that if you give pure of heart it comes back to you in blessings.
However I have no advice for those who see a derailment coming and just keep plugging away out of sheer stubborness and unwillingness to accept what is.
PussDaddy
I smelled a rat from day one.
Also, on that shilling link I left where her husband uludag is pretending not to know her while simultaneously backing her up, what exactly are they doing? Well I’ll be darn, is it any surprise they are once again trying to raise money in one form or another and involve a bunch of people in doing so and get them all worked up about feeling sorry for a bunch of poor people in another country and interested in their charitable work? These people have not fooled me from jump street. Even though they are talking about a collective here, this thread is ultimately designed to instill into the minds of the good people of the forum that nutmegclick is all about charity and giving and kumbaya’ing the hell all over the place so that this is what gets planted in people’s heads. It makes them more accepting as time goes on and next thing you know people are falling all over themselves and can’t get their fast enough to give away money and items and stuff so they can show they are just as charitable and wantint to help as well. It is simply a tag-team con artist team hard at work doing what they do best, and IMHO that is all it is.
PussDaddy
http://blog.coriandr.com/2009/08/03/featured-seller-nutmegclick/
Unless that is the lily white hand of impoverished Indian slave labor, nutmeg has painted at least ONE of her restored vintage toys.
“Unless that is the lily white hand of impoverished Indian slave labor, nutmeg has painted at least ONE of her restored vintage toys.”
Isn’t that a nice touch? She poses with one of her dresses on the sewing machine too.
Too bad it’s all bullshit. Look closer.
“I am not comfortable with this turning into something that vilifies someone–especially when those questions are unanswered, and aren’t likely to be, in here. This is rather a post to ponder, though I understand it will touch deep emotional hot buttons.”
LMAO! Nice try.
Stacey, look at the doll link I left before.
http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=17632385
See the last picture, the one all beaten up she apprenticed with a master toy maker to restore according to her? It is not even the same damn shap as the finished product. Not only is is not the same shape, the beaten up one has a rim around the bottom, while the finished one is cylyndrical and smooth. So what if she restored one vintage toy. And I don’t even know if that is her hand. She sure as hell didn’t restore the one I left a link to did she? And having restored one vintage toy in her fucking lifetime negates her listing being a fraud and her being a liar and dismisses the website with her husband’s name on it where you can order hundreds of the dolls how? How does painting one toy make all her shops kosher as far as disclosure? And how does it negate the shilling she and her husband uludag are doing? So what, she might have painted a wooden rabbit sometime in her lifetime. Big whoop.
PussDaddy
None of her vintage ephemera is vintage either, IMHO. I have read that they use way substandard paper than other parts of the world and the stuff she sells rolls of the press looking just like it does right now.
Back to the white hand-is she the only white woman in India? I mean she was wanting to get together a collective and sell fair trade stuff, things made by other artists . See in this thread here where he is backing her up while pretending not to know her?
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6132639&page=6
Maybe those people have hands too, and maybe a set of them are white, and maybe they are not even her hands. I mean for god sakes all these other charity workers she is talking about probably have fucking hands.
PussDaddy
And, if you want my honest opinion, and even if you don’t want it, that blog link Stacey left
http://blog.coriandr.com/2009/08/03/featured-seller-nutmegclick/
on it you will find the only statement that nutmeg has ever made that I think even comes close to telling an iota of truth:
I am the mute daughter of a wanderer who was born in the alps and ran away with a clan of clever gypsies to join the circus in Moscow where I fell in love with a communist who left me in Prague, swept away by a mob.
Because I am just going to come out with it, when I first saw the both of them they both reminded me of gypsies, or even those people they call Travellers, who all they do is travel around and scam people. There is always a kernel of truth in every lie, that makes it easier to remember the lie you told.
PussDaddy
Where is the posing on the sewing machine picture, bedazzled condom? I can’t find it.
PussDaddy
bedazzled, not sure what you meant by this:
“Too bad it’s all bullshit. Look closer.
‘I am not comfortable with this turning into something that vilifies someone–especially when those questions are unanswered, and aren’t likely to be, in here. This is rather a post to ponder, though I understand it will touch deep emotional hot buttons.’
LMAO! Nice try.”
…but if you’re implying that I am Echo simply because I, too, use 4-syllable words, use a little logic. A house divided against itself cannot stand. I doubt highly that Echo would find these questions being brought to light as helpful to her cause (whatever that is). The blogspot blog from which I got some of this info was listed last in her blogs only as “…”. That doesn’t exactly invite looking into.
And, hopefully, I’m not flowery.
I’ve followed the whole “Adia thing” from the beginning and have said nothing until today. I’d started to wonder about Nutmeg after she ‘burst’ onto the Etsy forums as a charismatic frequent poster who quickly developed a small cult-like following, which seemed off to me then but little cults happen a lot on Etsy so it wasn’t *that* odd.
The Adia threads in Etc. were a fine bit of soap opera to follow, I had to type/delete multiple times. The whole thing reeked of confusion, disorganization, fawning, praising, and apparently ignorance that much of the region lives in dire conditions and the child is not that unusual.
I’d like to add that I find it quite amusing that the couples’ child is named “Lark”. Lark is not only a lovely bird, but also:
–noun
1. a merry, carefree adventure; frolic; escapade.
2. innocent or good-natured mischief; a prank.
3. something extremely easy to accomplish, succeed in, or to obtain: That exam was a lark.
–verb (used without object)
4. to have fun; frolic; romp.
5. to behave mischievously; play pranks.
PS. If you do look into that blog, be careful; there are many little suspicious black links when you move your cursor on the poetry/writing pages. I’m no geek, but my instincts tell me it wouldn’t be advisable to click those.
And now, I’m really outta here.
I did notice and point out the Lark thing myselfn my own blog. And I am not sure if it is legit but I didn’t click on it anyway, but I had gone to the site where he was selling the nesting dolls, and I sent an email that said “Busted!” and not 10 minutes later I get an email from Paypal saying
It’s true. For just $1.50, you could transfer $300 to India, for example, when you use your bank account or PayPal balance. The prices to transfer money abroad with PayPal are shockingly low— and this is the safer way to do it!
Compare PayPal fees to anyone else’s—we’re lower!
$1.50 to send $300 to India, Mexico and Philippines
$3 to send $300 to Australia
I forwarded it to spoof. Who knows it may be legit, but it just seem like bad timing to me.
PussDaddy
this whole thing is so sad….I kind of liked nutmeg. Her posts always seemed well thought out. Does a child named Aidia (sp?) even exist at this point?
“…but if you’re implying that I am Echo simply because I, too, use 4-syllable words, use a little logic.”
Are you high? I did nothing of the kind.
Try READING. It helps!
Oh, A child probably exists. Her name could be Puddin’ Tane though for all we know. This is not going to win me a lot of fans either, but have I ever cared about that:
This family is so homely and fugly that it doesn’t suprise me that they had to go seek out a child somewhere else to keep throwing up in our faces to garner sympathy. I mean for reals, talk about getting beat with an ugly stick, they used the whole damn forrest on them. Each one is more unattractive than the last one.
Boo! Hiss! Boo, PussDaddy, Boo!
Not that I am any prize either mind you. But daayuuuum!
PussDaddy
I had no idea what your post meant either Bedazzled Condom and asked for clarification as I could not find the sewing machine picture let alone what I was supposed to see when I found it, but it did not get moderated through.
PussDaddy
On that blog link where she is restoring the puppet it only shows a person’s hands doing it with no head. What is she, the headless fucking horseman?
PussDaddy
What a scamming cunt.
It’s weird that she was able to dig through all of that stuff and managed to find all five pieces of the nesting doll set here: http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=17632385
And then the EXACT SAME THING HAPPENED AGAIN: http://www.coriandr.com/item?item=3059
I think it might have happened to this guy, too: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nesting-Dolls-Set-Five-Asian-Wooden/dp/B001B5DLTA
I don’t really know anything about the Adia thing – I’m a pessimist, so I use charitynavigator.org to research charities before I donate to them. However, these listings lead me to believe that she might be a reseller and resellers are aggravating.
In addition, I used to carry Indian pop art in my brick and mortar – there are several companies that reproduce it.
“Vintage” poster: http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=19333944
Not so vintage posters: http://www.kananda.com/Wallcharts.htm
http://www.mcphee.com/shop/products/Parts-of-the-Body-Indian-Poster.html
I had these in my store as well:
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=27800925
At the time, they were sold by a company called Accoutrements. They no longer carry them, but I found some similar items:
http://www.aaffreen.com/pages/facc_bags_canvas1.htm
http://cgi.ebay.com/INDIA-Yoga-Hindu-Eco-Boho-Shopping-Bag-Tote-Purse-SHIVA_W0QQitemZ300348388134QQcategoryZ13772QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3907.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D12%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D54
It’s hard to believe that someone recycled a vinyl banner and somehow managed to create these identical items:
http://www.coriandr.com/item?item=3226
http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=18802653
It kind of sucks – I had her marked as a favorite seller for the vintage books- I probably wouldn’t have thought twice about most of her items if it weren’t for all of the attention brought on by the Adia thing. Also, no matter what is true and is not true, I really hope that something good came out of this for that little girl.
I agree with Storm. And beenwatching.
I’d wondered when someone was going to falsely accuse me of being EDCBuyer. I was surprised that this someone was you, forum rubbernecker. Thanks for your apology.
The ADIA team treasurer is Briaberger.
EDCBuyer, thank you for bringing all of this to people’s attention. There’s something very fishy in the land of nutmeg. Between her reseller items and shops… I don’t know. Before nutmegclick was on its most recent vacation, many items were shipping from the us, not india. Things just get weirder and weirder.
I wondered when someone was going to falsely accuse me of being EDCBuyer. I was surprised that this someone was you, forum rubbernecker. Thank you for your apology.
Briaberger is Team ADIA’s treasurer.
The whole nutmeg thing is getting stranger and stranger what with reselling items and multiple shops. Before nutmegclick’s last vacation, many items were listed as shipping from the US, not India. Those items appear to be gone now, at least.
I get the feeling that nutmeg feels free to do as she wishes even if that’s against the rules.
Nobody Understands My Pain Either, isn’t she just the luckiest person in the world? Imagine, finding the same damn thing and all it’s parts not once, but over and over. Good Karma surely smiles on nutsack, doesn’t it? I often have trouble and can’t even find something I dropped 5 seconds ago, so maybe I should hire her as a Finder Of Things.
Also, I wanted to say that the paypal email I received was legit. It was just weird timing on their part. If my main goal was to be “out to get” nutmeg or whatever I would skip telling you all of this and just leave it as I posted it before, because you can be sure that now all those who still want to believe will jump on my being wrong about this email and how this must mean I have never been right about anything in my life including any of this. To them I would just say whatever, go buy something from her if you have complete confidence that one day you won’t find that someone is now wandering Katmandu using your name, considering all their name changes and crap.
PussDaddy
I loved reading nutmeg’s posts and found her to be a nice presence in etc – especially with all the harpies who frequent etc.
I read the Adia threads with sympathy and interest, but didn’t donate to ‘the cause’ because something seemed ‘off’ about it.
Now reading all these comments and threads, etc about the nutmegs’ duplicity makes me glad I didn’t get involved.
I didn’t want to believe that she was pulling one over on etc, but I can’t think otherwise when presented with these links.
It’s a sad situation all around.
And to the person who asked if Adia really exists – yes, she does – there are millions of “Adias” in India who desperately need help, just not the kind of ‘help’ that has been presented to us.
This whole thing has inspired me – am now going to make a UNICEF donation.
The hands are definitely Nutmeg’s. Just look at the filthy bitten down nails.
The fact that she can hold a rabbit in one hand and a paintbrush in the other does not mean that the two have ever come together. All just another way of showing us that she restores them herself.
If she and her husband had any scruples at all they would leave Etsy voluntarily but no doubt they won’t.
Jenn you are so right in that there are millions of such children around the World, not only in India. Donating to recognised, registered and legally run charities is better than giving in blind faith to someone you think you know because they have been building up a relationship of trust by posting entertaining threads in an internet forum for a few months.
This is the classic internet scam tactic, build up friendship and believing followers, mention something tragic, mention the cost but don’t ask for help. The followers will rally round and organise the fund raising for you like the good friends you have made them.
I also thought there was something strange from the very first posts but kept quiet and was glad I did when those who dared question anything were torn to shreds publicly and in such a horrible way.
Many things were warnings, for example when she named Mr. Nutmeg’s father’s church and FancyPants said it was near her and she would go, instantly Nutmeg said she got the church wrong and it was another one, presumably further away, so Fancy offered to go there and Nutmeg became evasive – warning lights flashing everywhere.
One minute the Aunt was pregnant then the next it was the Mother who was pregnant and the Aunt was forgotten and her pregnancy not mentioned again. Flash, flash of warning lights.
Vague details mixed with miles of flowery words so it was difficult to know precisely what she was claiming covered up any inaccuracies.
I often wondered about the range of items Nutmeg sells and how anyone can tell whether any of them are really vintage or made by her, I remember a thread in which she was asking if she could sell locally embroidered items on behalf of the women – that was a few weeks before Adia and her idea of the family earning money by embroidery that she could sell. I think maybe she has a good source of cheap embroidery she wants to sell but perhaps cannot work out how to pass them off as her work or vintage so selling to help Adia’s family would be a good idea that wouldn’t raise complaints.
Now the faithful are epected to believe that a friend Rahul and his Uncle Sagar Dhara are taking care of Adia and her family while Nutmeg is doing good work in Nepal. I assume these people are those who must not be named, when I saw them named on Closed Threads I googled and found a Sagar Dhara in Hyderabad, there is an address and telephone number for him on line, this man is involved in environment and climate issues. Is he really running around looking after Nutmeg’s beggar family even now they are some distance from Hyderabad if he is the same one?
There were a lot of posts made by the Auntys in their private forum yesterday, more than usual. it seems omething has aroused their interest.
Tear me to fucking shreds, I didn’t care yesterday, I don’t care now and I won’t care later, lol.
PussDaddy
PussDaddy Says:
And I am not sure if it is legit but I didn’t click on it anyway, but I had gone to the site where he was selling the nesting dolls, and I sent an email that said “Busted!” and not 10 minutes later I get an email from Paypal saying
It’s true. For just $1.50, you could transfer $300 to India, for example, when you use your bank account or PayPal balance. The prices to transfer money abroad with PayPal are shockingly low— and this is the safer way to do it!
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Pussdaddy, I don’t think it was a coincidence that you got that PayPal email about sending money to India. I think because you sent an email from the link (or using the email address) in the nesting doll website, it triggered that PP email to ease your concerns that it won’t cost you a fortune to send the nutmegs $300.00. It’s just a mere $1.50! LOL
Oh brilliant. I was worried about how much it was going to cost me to send them my hard earned cash. Glad to know it will only be another $1.50. lol
“The fact that she can hold a rabbit in one hand and a paintbrush in the other does not mean that the two have ever come together.”
Bingo.
“There were a lot of posts made by the Auntys in their private forum yesterday, more than usual.”
Let me guess. These aren’t the brightest bulbs in the pack so my guess would be they’re collectively ignoring the writing on the wall and collectively rallying around Echo or Brittany or whatever the fuck her name is now and trying desperately to come up with a good story to cover the LIES and THEFT.
Nutmegclick has already been into their private forum today but didn’t post.
If you look at the posts in their forums, you will see the last post Nutmeg made was yesterday and was basically asking someone to photoshop her daughter’s hand out of a picture and put in Adia’s. She posted it so casually, as if that is not a totally wrong thing to do! I hope no one is dishonest enough to really do that for her. If they do, then maybe we have more than one person in on this deal.
I wondered when someone was going to falsely accuse me of being EDCBuyer. I was surprised that this someone was you, forum rubbernecker. Thank you for your apology.
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Your welcome. This whole thing is just one big clusterfuck after another.
Where are the aunties now? Funny they haven’t made it here yet to defend her.
As a person who purchased an item from nutmeg’s shop a couple of months back (before the shit hit the fan) I noticed that there was a different name for everything: one name on the paypal account, another on the package’s return address. Then her online name of echo turned up. It got me thinking.
That was the one you saw. There are plenty of hidden posts. Watch the numbers click up but there is nothing showing for today that you can read.
They have a private place on the forum for those and such as those where they can discuss all the nasty things we are saying about them.
Just counted up. Close to $1300 on Etsy as charity listings definitely for Adia and some that might be but I have not listed them. Admittedly some of these only give part of the money to Adia but some give it all. Those are only the ones not sold. Doesn’t say how many items have been sold.
This is big, big, big. Not just a few dollars here and there.
I see – well, hopefully they are coming to their senses. It’s hard to admit you’ve been swindled. I gave to this “cause” and I admit i was stupid to do it – of course look at me posting here with an anonymous name…haha!
Someone is having some fun with my money during festival time, but it sure ain’t me!
from the Adia forums posted by nutmegclick
here is the link
http://adiainindia.com/forum/index.php?topic=147.msg2105;topicseen#msg2105
it says
“if i cannot, as i may not be able to, get to my photos in Hyderabad in time, would this be a good substitute? it’s at the Buddhist Dharma Temple here in K-du. but again, i do so want something with Adia’s hand. wonder if some super-cropping-ninja work could do it?”
love,
nutmeg
*RED FLAG*
There have been six posts in their forum within the last hour or so but nothing is showing up so they are obviously talking about something in private.
shameonyou… that photoshop request is for an ART project. What exactly are you worried about?
cropping the hand of a child who is *hopefully* at this point getting some kind of help for a picture whether it is for a personal project or for something for sale raises the question “Has this been done before?” , are the pictures in her blog of this child legit? but then again you might be right nothing to worry about, still raises the question.
One thing that sucks about etsy is that you can’t search completed items. If you could you could see how many things have been sold for this “charity”. I’m wondering what the numbers are, too.
BlackTear Says:
shameonyou… that photoshop request is for an ART project.
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Can you explain the project here BlackTear?
I shudder to think given that this has been running for well over a month.
Poor people who have listed their hand made items to give all or part of the proceeds to Adia when the instigator of the whole thing only goes to a box and takes a bought in item out of it and lists that for the cause.
It is Keala’s Calendar Projects featuring ‘HANDS’… Nutmeg just thought Adia’s hands would be a nice addition.
If you all are concerned about photo-shopped images, get a digital artist who is good at it to take a look. Altering a digital image leaves certain ‘artifacts’ that can be noticeable to someone who knows what to look for.
I’d do it, but then… I’m involved and you all will just call me a fraud as well.
Oh they must have been reading this. Their forum is in maintenance mode. Cleaning up the evidence?
Adia’s hands might be a nice addition, if it were a real photo!
Come on! You don’t see any dishonestly there? Especially when all we have to prove any of this really happened is photographs?
Blacktear, even if it’s for an art project, it would be dishonest to photoshop in the child’s hands. It’s one thing to clean up a picture, but it’s quite another to change the picture in this way.
Forum rubbernecker, you’re right that this is a huge clusterfuck. It’s sad that something that could have done so much good has turned out this way.
OT – are you a horror movie fan, Blacktear (or anyone else in Edmonton)? If so, there’s a horror movie festival this weekend at the Metro. Last night was awesome!
Back in the early 90s when Saddam poison-gassed the Kurds in Iran, there was a huge charity appeal in the UK to help. I was heart broken by the stuff I saw, and gave far more money than I could really afford.
The guy who arranged it all was Jeffrey Archer, a British MP. The Kurds got – well, nothing, I think. He went to prison eventually.
(But he pops up on daytime telly now and then. Meh. )
Anything is possible, it seems. Both up high and down low.
Not Really Surprised… well, you’d like to think that, eh? This is what I am ACTUALLY doing…
“Optimize all tables
This task allows you to optimize all tables. This will get rid of overhead, effectively making the tables smaller in size and your forum faster!”
Chantelle, one photo-shop request does NOT equate to every photo posted by Nutmeg as illegitimate. Doing photo-manipulations myself as an artform, I do NOT think it’s dishonest to do this request for an ART project. It’s not going to the news media, it’s not being used to solicit donations… it’s one artistic photo in a calendar, along with other art.
BlackTear, you’re Bonita/Svartr? Nice to meet you again
Oooh, OT: not really a horror fan. Glad you’re enjoying it! Also happy that the weather will be nicer today… too freaking early for snow IMO.
So, BlackTear, can you fill us in on what is currently being discussed in the Adia private forum?
Surely if everything IS on the up and up, there’s no harm in a little transparency, is there?
“BlackTear, you’re Bonita/Svartr? Nice to meet you again”
Ah, likewise. Yes, this is Bonita… Greets!
BlackTear, I didn’t suggest that altering this one photo implies that all of nutmeg’s photos are illegitimate.
I know this is for an art piece. I guess it’s just that changing the photo to include the child’s hands instead of nutmeg’s daughter’s hands feels sort of manipulative to me.
Just found this website.
Handmade and vintage items UK.
Guess who turned up with those wonderful vintage stacking dolls?
http://www.coriandr.com/shop?seller_id=866
That poor man walking on the banks of the ganges with all those toys on his head. Must have been so relieved to get rid of them all. lol
OT – it’s about time the weather got better here. The horror movie fest makes this trip much more bearable – I’m here to help my mom after surgery, and while she’s fine, it’s been very tiring.
Hmmm.. Says:
Adia’s hands might be a nice addition, if it were a real photo!
Come on! You don’t see any dishonestly there? Especially when all we have to prove any of this really happened is photographs?
Chantelle Says:
Blacktear, even if it’s for an art project, it would be dishonest to photoshop in the child’s hands. It’s one thing to clean up a picture, but it’s quite another to change the picture in this way.
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You’re both exactly right. Amazing, isn’t it, lol!
If this is acceptable to BlackTear and the others, then I guess it’s no surprise this has gone on this long. Maybe it isn’t ok with the others, nutmeg is the one who asked…. maybe they don’t want to question publically.
The nutmegs can’t even follow Etsy rules… shilling , opening sock puppet accounts, listing reseller stuff as handmade, calling out others in their threads, etc… all the things you jump on others for and you think she is telling the truth about Adia?? All because she can spin a load of lying crap into flowerly words?? Come on, you can’t all be that stupid, can you?
Mrs. Nutmeg has publically admitted (on the Etsy forums) she sees nothing wrong with stealing (if you steal from the right people) and used to do so herself to take some sort of stand. Looks like old habits are hard to break.
If the auntys want to continue with the charity, the logical thing to do would be to ask the nutmegs to resign. With their names associated, it will forever be tainted as a fraud and scam.
BlackTear Says:
I do NOT think it’s dishonest to do this request for an ART project. It’s not going to the news media, it’s not being used to solicit donations… it’s one artistic photo in a calendar, along with other art.
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Are you going to sell the calendars?
Lexie – interesting that she says she’s in the US in that store.
Given all the items that she did have in her shop that said they shipped from the US, I wonder where she is… Tibet, India, the US? Maybe someone else ships for her from the US? Or maybe she can’t keep track of all of her reseller shops and her item locations?
Chantelle – I guess I can see your point… and will pass that on. I’m not even sure Nutmeg was even going to caption the photo with, “This is Adia’s hand!” or the like so I didn’t really see it from another perspective other than art.
I hope your mother feels better – Do not tire yourself out too much.
Bedazzled – so you want me to be your little insider whore and give you all the juicy details of what the Board members discuss in private, eh?
Sitting alongside the on the Ganges one fine summer day, I caught sight of a man with piles of colour laden upon his head. On closer inspection I discovered he carried a burden of delightful wooden toys. Faded, battered and with chipping paint, he was taking them to the burning ghats to sell for scrap. Despite their ill repair, I was enamoured of their whimsy and, between my broken Hindi and his broken English, convinced him to save them from the ghats and sell them to me.
I searched through the assortment of odd and ends to find all five pieces of this delightful nesting doll set!
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WOW, talk about luck!! Nutmeg has managed to find those five doll pieces over and over and over and over and over…. again! She is truly amazing, lol!
The only way that could have happened is if he got hit by a lorry carrying them to the burning ghats which then dumped its load on his head.
Kitten… it is Keala’s project that I haven’t really gotten involved in. If the photo-shop image is a bad idea, I will encourage Nutmeg not to do it. Really, I do not like to see a good project started by someone who I think is kind-hearted being ripped to shreds over one not-yet-decided addition.
“Bedazzled – so you want me to be your little insider whore and give you all the juicy details of what the Board members discuss in private, eh?”
Ahhh, an admission of “juiciness.” Why am I not surprised?
Dolts of a feather, flock together.
blacktear, do you think uludag is nutmegs husband? if so, how do you feel about that? does any of the information that has come up the last few days make you question them at all?
““Bedazzled – so you want me to be your little insider whore and give you all the juicy details of what the Board members discuss in private, eh?”
Ahhh, an admission of “juiciness.” Why am I not surprised?
Dolts of a feather, flock together.”
Hehe, really.
MENTAL NOTE: Sarcasm breeds silliness
EdCBuyer
where did you get the information that Nutmeg is 29?
“4. Why do you now go by Echo J. Vincent, the same unusual name as another 29-yr. old young mother who grew up in Montana—but who is obviously not you?”
No, I do not think Uludag is Nutmeg’s husband. It’s my understanding that he is a friend. If Nutmeg is reselling on Etsy, then she should stop.
I think it must be very hard for some to admit that they have volunteered to be idiots who can be so easily led down the garden path.
Thus, we see paranoid secrecy combined with seething, misdirected anger.
Not a pretty picture, not by a long shot, but damned amusing and entertaining all the same.
Here’s a birthday listed nutmeg herself: http://www.coriandr.com/profile?seller_id=866&ref=%2Fshop%3Fseller_id%3D866
It makes her 29 if that’s for real.
“If Nutmeg is reselling on Etsy, then she should stop.”
I have a brillant idea!
Start a thread on the paranoid forum and let her know your opinion.
“If Nutmeg is reselling on Etsy, then she should stop.”
Is that it? She should stop? Anyone else doing that would have you baying for blood but you say that she should just stop?
That basically sums up the whole mentality of the auntys. Nutmegclick could murder their grannies and she would still be wonderful.
“… seething, misdirected anger.”
From whom?
Try paying attention, Aunty BlackTear. It should help.
Well, I’m not sure what you guys are wanting from me, but I’m actually quite calm. But now that we’re at the point of sweeping generalisations and assumptions, I think I will take off and get on with my plans for the day – Be well.
Hmmm.. Says:
October 16, 2009 at 10:04 am
Here’s a birthday listed nutmeg herself: http://www.coriandr.com/profile?seller_id=866&ref=%2Fshop%3Fseller_id%3D866
It makes her 29 if that’s for real.
No that birthday 1983 makes her 26 which is why I asked EdCBuyer for the source of 29 because I’m sure I saw somewhere that she was 29 before EdCBuyer’s post.
Seriously Auntie BlackTear I think it’s great that you are doing good stuff and donating your time and money.
Defending Nutmeg at all costs even when there is PROOF that there is some shady business going on isn’t good. I would understand if there wasn’t proof but come on! The evidence keeps mounting!
I think you owe it to yourself and at the very least anyone who you have solicited donations from to talk to Nutmeg and to get answers to all of these questions. Call her out – in private if you wish – and hold her responsible for her actions.
I don’t know how anyone in good conscience can still solicit donations after these questions have been raised.
“If” she is reselling. Where is the element of doubt?
Coincidence that she restores and paints crap nesting dolls so they are identical to the ones Mr. Nutmeg wholesales/exports by the 100.
Coincidence that she is able to sell identical bags on different sites.
Speak to Puss she is looking for a buyer for swampland in Florida
lol! You’re right – my math sucks!
Sincere thanks for your advice, Mary. I, personally, am discouraging the solicitation of donations at this time.
Please consider that the group has a dozen or so lovely ladies and it’s not ALL about Nutmeg, so I must consider their feelings and thoughts in this as well.
“Please consider that the group has a dozen or so lovely ladies and it’s not ALL about Nutmeg, so I must consider their feelings and thoughts in this as well.”
LMAO! Too funny.
It’s ALWAYS been ALL about Nutmeg, ALL the time.
The people who have been warning you not to get involved with this scam artist knew this and told you this all along.
As I said before, paying attention helps!
Black Tear, you are a loyal friend. But here’s your proof (thank you, Hmmm and Not Really Surprised!):
Yes, I saw Echo describe herself somewhere in one of her multiple bios/profiles that she was 29. However, in the Coriandr post mentioned above she lists her birthday as March 3, 1983:
http://www.coriandr.com/profile?seller_id=866&ref=%2Fshop%3Fseller_id%3D866
But, wait. Check out her Pulpindia store profile on Etsy (which I’ve taken a screenshot of, in case it changes)…and lo and behold, her birthday is now March 20.
IMHO, anyone who can’t get her name or birthday straight from website to website is at least a bit too scattered to be handling my money.
BTW, I’ve started a blog on WordPress for any further developments; though, with the blatant inconsistencies now noted in this thread, it hardly seems necessary to further substantiate that there is a problem with this “cause.”
http://edcbyer.wordpress.com/
And with your permission, I will post this latest info, Hmmm and Not Really Surprised.
PS. Pulpindia profile:
http://www.etsy.com/profile.php?user_id=7453991
“It’s ALWAYS been ALL about Nutmeg, ALL the time.”
Sounds like a cheesy ad for a sports channel.
In context to what I wrote though, you are wrong.
I cannot see a year on the Etsy profiles but she does state her birthday is 20th March and on the profile on coriandr she says its the 3rd March. Too different to be a typo.
Is that so she gets twice as many birthday presents?
I think at the start no one had anything but admiration for the auntys who were determined to raise money to help this child. Even although there were many people who felt it was a scam.
However we have seen that Nutmeg is a reseller. That is an indisputable fact. The evidence is there and the evidence is clear. Not only is she selling her supposedly restored vintage nesting dolls on Etsy but she is selling them on coriandr too.
She has been proved now to be a liar and a cheat in this.
Up until now it has been acceptable for the auntys to still solicit donations for the Adia cause but now with the clear and concrete evidence before you if the auntys still insist that Nutmeg is nothing but wonderful then they are going to end up with as bad a name as Nutmeg.
My advice, not that it will be taken, is to quit while you are ahead.
when I first saw the Adia thread I thought “Wow this chick is wonderful! If I could do that for a child I totally would!” Then I looked at my situation, I am unemployed due to the recession urgh, I looked at my inventory I looked at my supplies and I came to the decision that with the current sales and my low inventory stock I simply could not give any funds or donate and item. Believe it or not I was bummed that I couldnt help.
I read with interest every adia post but in the wake of the “Handmade artisan fraud” I was weary of posting on any attention grabbing threads for fear of the wacko slandering me next.
THEN I saw the FIRST (at least to my knowledge) call out Nutmeg thread and I thought That Trudy is a F****** Bitch! how dare she bring up doubt when all these people are donating for a good cause? Who the fuck does she think she is attacking a person doing a good deed? I added her to my dnbf list, then I swiftly posted in Nutmegs defense, saying how I had been reading the threads but not posting and how she should not let these things get to her. I came to my own conclusion that Trudy was lying and that Nutmeg really did run all around India locating these mysterious doctors that Trudy supposedly had set up for her to meet.
Then I came across the mysterious doctor thread (forgot the username) and I thought that is great that someone wants to take Nutmegs place while she goes to nepal, at the same time I thought it was kind of fairy tale that someone could just drop everything to go aid a person they never even met.
THEN I came across the edcbuyer thread and WHOAH this time there were links, not just any links, links that made sense and I still had the “No no Nutmeg can explain this” mentality about me.
Later I came across the Etsycallout blog and started reading the threads MORE links, WTH?? Still in my “Nutmeg is Innocent” Mentality I carefully read every comment THEN…. I saw pussdaddy’s comments, the links the EVIDENCE of reselling, and if you go to her blog there is more evidence there. By the time I posted my first comment I must admit my mentality of Nutmeg’s innocence, her generous charity giving kind hearted human has gone out the door, down the drain, up in smoke.
My conclusion is that I am glad I never donated, I wish I had never posted in defense and if you are reading this….
ArtbyTrudy, even though I never posted my thoughts about you regarding that thread, I want to publicly apologize to you for thinking those thoughts, it took a lot of courage to start to shed light on the darkness that nobody wanted to see. I am sorry for thinking such negativity about you and I wish you had not been attacked so brutally in the Etsy threads.
bedazzled, I for one do not see the humor in this. Beautiful people with big hearts have had their trust taken advantage of. The people MOST likely to fall for this are exactly those who care about others…not those who are perpetually hardened or hostile or bitter or ugly towards humanity.
lexie Says:
October 16, 2009 at 11:31 am
I think at the start no one had anything but admiration for the auntys who were determined to raise money to help this child. Even although there were many people who felt it was a scam.
…..My advice, not that it will be taken, is to quit while you are ahead.
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Lexie I completely agree with you 10000000000% AUNTIES LISTEN TO THIS ADVICE QUIT!!!!
Without a doubt Nutmeg is on quite a bit of people’s DNBF list, her integrity and honesty is at serious stake. If you keep posting in her defense people will forever link you to the scam.
I didn’t want to see it either but the evidence is mounting, don’t risk your reputations and business integrity for a con artist GET OUT NOW!
There has been seething, misdirected anger on this issue… But not from BlackTear. She and Silver have been polite, calm, and respectful in all my interactions with them on this issue.
The ones with the anger are the ones who aren’t involved, really: peaseblossomstudios and didileo.
“The people MOST likely to fall for this are exactly those who care about others…not those who are perpetually hardened or hostile or bitter or ugly towards humanity.”
People who practice true charity don’t feel a need to do so in such a public “LOOK AT ME” fashion.
That’s not charity, that’s VANITY.
In fact, in some religious belief systems, attention whore charity is actually a sin.
It is foolish to confuse discernment and respect for the object of one’s charity with hostility or bitterness.
People who give from their hearts don’t immediately have to run and post about it in the Etsy forums.
And please, enough with the “my shit don’t stink” act. It’s getting old. You threw the smoke bomb into the crowded theater. You knew exactly what would happen after you did so. You’re enjoying the show just as much as anyone else here.
Chantelle Says:
The ones with the anger are the ones who aren’t involved, really: peaseblossomstudios
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Oh peaseblossom…… She is quick with criticisms and advice on how others should act, but funny, she never applies it to herself.
When the Auntys produce the calendar will it show both of Nutmeg’s birthdays (that we know of) 3rd and 20th March.
Liars should have good memories at least they should remember their own birthday.
I noticed nutmeg was running ads for one of her Etsy shops via Craft Cult while frantically collecting donations for this “cause.” Those ads aren’t cheap. That kind of money could feed a hungry Indian child, probably her entire family.
Has anyone wondered. Why would nutmeg need a photoshopped version of that image? Why not take a special photo of Adia’s actual hand for the purpose of this calendar project?
Lastly, this forum thread may have been a litmus test of sorts. Let’s further test for suckers on Etsy under the guise of philosophic discussion.
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6235651
I am sickened.
Well uludag/MisterNutmeg got his birthday right! lol
kitten Says:
Well uludag/MisterNutmeg got his birthday right! lol
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Although he is having difficulties remembering how to spell his wife’s first name. haha
@bedazzled:
“And please, enough with the “my shit don’t stink” act. It’s getting old. You threw the smoke bomb into the crowded theater. You knew exactly what would happen after you did so. You’re enjoying the show just as much as anyone else here.”
No. No, I am not. Which is why I deactivated comments on the EdCByer blog here.
The assumption that you know my feelings and motives is either arrogance or ignorance, but in any case, it doesn’t serve you well to advertise that here.
“Has anyone wondered. Why would nutmeg need a photoshopped version of that image? Why not take a special photo of Adia’s actual hand for the purpose of this calendar project?”
To get things printed in time for a 2010 calendar, Keala needs all the art/photos right away. She’s already extended the due date to the end of October. Nutmeg may not be able to get back in time to photograph Adia, and is relying on what she has with her.
I think a calendar is a lovely idea. It will permanently link the auntys to Nutmeg.
WFW Lo&Behold that thread was shortly before she discovered the beggar famly. Looks like testing the water before she jumped in.
Freudian slip and a sign of things to come here when the OP refers to the netmugs
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6256592
“I think a calendar is a lovely idea. It will permanently link the auntys to Nutmeg”
They might not want that now and who can blame them
The story explaining the reselling and the birthdates and all the other revelations by EdCB should be a good read though
is this calendar going to be be for sale or will it be for personal purposes? Because if the calendar will be for sale then i do consider the “Super Ninja Cropping” of adias hand in the picture deceptive.
And yet, look how nutmeg reacted to an Etsian who asked to borrow a couple dollars…
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6235600&page=2
lo&behold
I completely forgot about that thread!
So… if I do an art calendar of my photo-manipulations and sell it, it would be deceptive? If an abstract artist used a glass as a model and the painting looks like an orange, it’s deceptive? As stated, I’m not sure Nutmeg was going to caption the photo saying it was Adia’s hand. What if we all were to take photos of our hands and photo-shop them altogether as a piece of art, then is that deceptive? Or is it just this ONE photo because it’s ‘Nutmeg’…?
It’s an art calendar… it’s not a ‘day in the life of Nutmeg’ project.
I know somebody from here keeps going back to that thread… why not register and give your thoughts?
I think you have bigger problems than a hand in a calendar regardless whose it is.
KealaLegacy said regarding deadline for the calendar:
I was initially shooting for Oct 15… but I am extending to the 31st… that way I have time to put it together, put in the order, and set it up for sale on etsy in time for christmas!
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Oh so it is going up for sale on Etsy.
I remember that CraftCult as well. I noticed it the right after I gave money. It really sort of burned my ass, but I thought perhaps it had been bought and paid for weeks in advance. Now I know that’s really not how it works.
Blacktear,
given all the other questions and doubts brought to light the photoshopping of the calendar picture just seemed to fall into the deceiving category all in its own “I really want a picture of adia…perhaps some super ninja cropping?” that sentence sounds deceptive.
HOWEVER, you are right, the picture is of little to none importance compared to the other things being brought to light, so lets discuss those please shall we?
Why does Nutmeg resell? Why the inconsistencies in the story? Why the shadyness? Why has she not come to her own defense? Or the husband?
Waiting patiently for answers.
“given all the other questions and doubts brought to light the photoshopping of the calendar picture just seemed to fall into the deceiving category all in its own “I really want a picture of adia…perhaps some super ninja cropping?” that sentence sounds deceptive.”
Perhaps… it was wishful thinking? I just don’t think it was meant to be deceptive. Sorry.
I’ll forward the other questions on your behalf. For the moment, I’m personally remaining neutral on the reselling allegations.
BlackTear – I don’t think that there is anything wrong with photoshopping images. I think that if things in this story had gone a little differently, no one would even question some “ninja style cropping” or whatever it was that was asked for. It’s just that it’s one more thing in what appears to be a long series of deceptions.
Nutmeg is a reseller on a site dedicated to handmade and vintage. She writes very pretty stories about her items and has immersed herself in the forums, as a community member. But she knows that she is lying and she knows that she is breaking the rules of the community that she is a part of. This is just grossly dishonest behavior and it creates questions about everything else that she is associated with.
As I said before, I’m a bit of a pessimist. I find it rather convenient that many people who claim to always be giving money and being charitable, are very vocal about it but often do it in such a way that it leaves no paper trail.
Part of my shop proceeds go to a charity of my choice. If anyone ever questioned me about this, I could back it up with receipts, paypal transactions and donation confirmation e-mails. Not that I feel that charity needs to be proven – it’s just that, if it IS questioned and it IS that important to you to continue on your cause, you should be willing to immediately back it up with something more than a heartwarming story.
If your cause is lost because you didn’t feel the need to prove anything to anyone, how important was it to you to begin with? Showing a paper trail is such a minor detail.
That’s why I’m such a fan of charitynavigator.org. People lie and people scam and people who have good hearts get taken in by people that they have mistakenly come to trust – it’s why legitimate charities need to be registered and why it’s nice to have an outside group that evaluates their work and success rate.
*end ramble*
“Why does Nutmeg resell? Why the inconsistencies in the story? Why the shadyness? Why has she not come to her own defense? Or the husband?
Waiting patiently for answers”
She will probably say there was no power today – she was seen in the Adia forum although apparently didn’t post because the counter didn’t go up and I would bet she has been reading this and PD’s blog – I think it will take some time to concoct a story to explain everything away. Perhaps a photo of an old man carrying a bundle with all the nesting dolls in as well, should be easy to get a photo of someone carrying a bundle in India, Nepal or whever she is.
(don’t forget two birthdays)
No need to worry about some photo trickery for the calendar. That is a minor thing.
nobody understands my pain
BlackTear – I don’t think that there is anything wrong with photoshopping images. I think that if things in this story had gone a little differently, no one would even question some “ninja style cropping” or whatever it was that was asked for. It’s just that it’s one more thing in what appears to be a long series of deceptions.
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see? that right there is how I was trying to word it but I have been babysitting and kind of posted in a rush.
Perhaps a photo of an old man carrying a bundle with all the nesting dolls in as well
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I bet “Crazy ninja cropping” will help with that picture :p
Thanks for the clarifications.
“The assumption that you know my feelings and motives is either arrogance or ignorance, but in any case, it doesn’t serve you well to advertise that here.”
Oh please. I don’t give a flying fuck about your feeeeeelings or anyone else’s feeeeeeeelings.
Keep them in your pants and I’ll be happy.
There are only two choices. Either you knew this would cause an Etsy uproar (whether comments in one place were closed or not or whatever) AND you did it anyway, OR, you’re a slow learner incapable of understanding basic human nature as it relates to cause and effect and you have learned nothing from observing previous Etsy scammer scandals.
Don’t get me wrong. I think what you did was FABULOUS. I just see no reason to lie about anything now.
this story is starting to remind me of “The Night Listener”
anyone ever read that or see the movie?
@bedazzled: Yes, I knew it would cause an uproar. That does not make me responsible one iota for your ripping comments or seeming delight in the grief this is causing those who who’ve very probably been duped. I posted this knowing that the revelation ultimately would prevent a far greater evil than comments such as yours.
I’m glad you approve of my posting my findings, but until you can talk civilly, we are done conversing on this thread.
BlackTear you are handling this in a very classy way. I hope it works out for you.
“Yes, I knew it would cause an uproar.”
Now, see, was that really so hard?
Anyone who was “duped” volunteered to be duped. The writing was on the wall all along.
Putting your brain on hold so you can feel like a good person for five minutes does not make one a saint and yes, it’s my prerogative to laugh at people who choose to be stupid and do stupid things.
If you were lucky enough to be given a brain by God, you’re supposed to USE IT.
“we are done conversing on this thread”
So sorry about your bone. I hope it heals.
Dustcastles isn’t only the email address it is also another name they use.
http://resources.alibaba.com/resources_profile/in106927838.htm
The nesting dolls again
So many names to Google and so to confuse the searcher.
Not really surprised wow!
Did you read:
min order: 2
supply ability: 500 PIECES A MONTH
More of Nutmeg’s restored nesting dolls, different ones this time – how many sets of dolls were there in that bundle.
Blog entry August 10
http://indiesistas.blogspot.com/2009_08_01_archive.html
I guess the question isn’t is she a reseller but are the dolls actually made by fair trade workers or poorly underpaid workers?
Chantelle,
Please do not drag my name into this, demanding to know why I am not a member of the Adia team. I dislike teamwork and do better marching to my own drummer.
I gave a few bucks to nutmeg for Adia. I have no qualms about it as the money was given in the right spirit. I would say that if I, or any other donor, had qualms, they could be addressed directly to Nutmeg or the team. But if someone isn’t a donor, and doesn’t plan to be, I don’t know that harping on details in the fora is productive. At least come forward with some sort of research, such as EdCByer did, rather than harping. I am not sure what to make of EdCByer’s information, so I won’t talk about that. I do strongly object to the the meaningless chatter in the forums by those who have not donated and do not wish to donate. That has no purpose.
Am I a sucker? Maybe, but then it’s probably better to be a generous sucker than a miserly cynic.
And all this makes me sad, I just don’t really have anything else to add.
What exactly are you worried about?
75. shameonyou Says:
October 16, 2009 at 8:43 am
cropping the hand of a child who is *hopefully* at this point getting some kind of help for a picture whether it is for a personal project or for something for sale raises the question “Has this been done before?” , are the pictures in her blog of this child legit? but then again you might be right nothing to worry about, still raises the question.
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Nothing about her is legit.
Stupidass stylesmith was over on my blog today talking about what a travesty it is that I am villifying poor dear nutbag. These Auntys aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed.
Hey there… this is Keala and I saw questions being raised about the art calender I am putting together. I will try to answer any questions that have been posed about it… if I miss one just let me know.
Yes… the calender is an art project that will feature images of hands in nurturing/loving/artistic poses… provided by various artists from etsy and independent artists that do not sell on etsy.
The initial idea was to sell it on etsy as a way to make money for our cause… not requesting donations… an actual exchange of money and product.
Nutmegs post regarding the photoshopping of her image was probably because I am on a deadline and she may not be able to complete her image in time. I didnt get a chance to respond to her in regards to the photoshopping, but I wouldnt have done it in any case. Besides simple cleaning up/cropping of an image, I would prefer it to be as close to reality as possible.
In light of what has been going on/said regarding this issue, I feel that it is unfair to the awesome artists who have agreed to be a part of my project to continue further. Whether any claims of Nutmegs reselling is substantiated or not, there will always be a taint on my project that was born from a genuine, heartfelt hope to help Adia and others like her.
Will this photo be in the calendar as well?
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=63125884&albumID=542755&imageID=44605
Lo&Behold… you must have missed the explanation of the calender project because, obviously, the image you posted doesnt look anything like I have described. Here it is again.
” the calender is an art project that will feature images of hands in nurturing/loving/artistic poses… provided by various artists from etsy and independent artists that do not sell on etsy. “
Keala — That’s Mr. Nutmeg in the photo.
It still doesnt fit my description of the calender.
I was told there were questions about the calender and since I am the only one who can answer those questions, I am here.
“Whether any claims of Nutmegs reselling is substantiated or not”
Is ignorance really bliss?
Keala
there were no questions about the calendar, simply about the manipulating of a photo to make it appear as though it was adia’s hand. The other questions arise from speculation that the adia foundation is a scam.
I know your calendar had good intentions and I hate to see artists taken advantage of.
Bedazzled…
Im not ignorant… and I would ask that you keep from name calling. Im being respectful here and only ask for the same.
I find no ignorance, shame or regret in wanting to help another person.
Only nutmeg can answer to those charges… I am not nutmeg.
Keala – perhaps you could still do the project and donate the moeny to a different cause? Just because the Adia project is a bit suspect, does not mean that you couldn’t still move forward with the project and use the funds to benefit an established charity.
I really do admire what you all were trying to do. I think that many people would applaud a group that could move past a stumbling block such as this and still move forward and do good work.
shameonyou… I hope I answered that one well enough. I do minor digital photoshopping of my photos, but I would never alter it to add her hand. I didnt get a chance to respond to nutmeg before typing here.
And by “you all,” I mean the group of people who went into this with the absolute intent to help an impoverished child, with no thought that this might not actually be legit. As I’ve said multiple times, I’m a pessimist…but it comes from experience. I’ve had the best of intentions before and been completely duped. There’s no shame in it – just dust yourselves off and keep moving forward. You seem to have good hearts.
Nobody Understands… thank you for the kindness, and to move forward with the project would be wonderful, but all of this is just very disheartening.
I will continue to do the fundraising and volunteering I have done for other charities… but I will never bring it to Etsy again.
If you truly believe the claims of reselling have not yet been substantiated through the numerous links presented here, then yes, you are ignorant.
Its a shame to see how easy it is for you to go directly to name calling.
Since I have responded to the few questions and concerns that were brought up about the calender… Im gonna go and help my kiddies with their homework.
Blessings all and have a safe weekend.
Does anyone know if these re-selling links have been sent to Admin at Etsy?
Why is Bedazzled always causing trouble and resorts to name calling? Why is she here?
She brings negitive vibes and people leave because of her. I am here to learn the truth and and find her her comments distasteful.
Please stop or someone please delete her comments.
Did she spend all of the grant she got? What did she buy with it, more nesting dolls?
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6232523&page=1
Her book must be running off the presses now, too.
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=29045501
Lo&Behold Says:
Will this photo be in the calendar as well?
http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X1342&site=etsycallout.wordpress.com&url=http%3A%2F%2Fviewmorepics.myspace.com%2Findex.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3DviewImage%26friendID%3D63125884%26albumID%3D542755%26imageID%3D44605
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What in the HELL???
My post in regards to the calender project as found on the Adia forum…
“UPDATE!!!
Due to recent events and blog posts, I have decided to cancel this project.
For all of the artists who have already submitted work, I want to thank you for your willing heart… you work will not be used in ANY way shape or form by myself or anyone else involved in the making of this project. I hope you are able to gift it to another cause… blessings!”
That sooo sucks, Keala. I’m really sorry
Keala,
It is nice to hear that you would have upheld the integrity of the photograph. I understand cropping, adjusting contrast, color, brightness etc in a photo as necessary to make the picture the absolute best it can be. However replacing a component of a photograph to represent something that isn’t there does not seem right and it is nice to hear you hold that integrity as well.
I do feel it a shame that you have to cancel the project, the calendar was not brought in to this except for a poster who wanted to clarify why an altered photograph was needed.
Your etsy shop is so beautiful and you have such vibrant colors in all your photographs I do hope you will reconsider the project as someone else has said to donate for a different cause or just to keep profits for you and the collaborators.
best wishes to you and I do hope you understand my posts were never directed towards you but instead at the founder of the organization in search for the truth.
Not one of these Aunys are up to questioning nutsack to any degree worth a damn even if they do suspect something.
I must reconsider one of my favourite artforms, since it has no integrity whatsoever…
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c143/LDS_Trooper/damascus/galadriel.png
My latest artistic fan-art photo-manip.
I am not the favorite person of a few of the Adia Foundation Etsy Team members from the comments I see them making on threads. It seems “people listen to me”. This tells me that maybe the point of what nutball is all about is getting through to people.
PussDaddy
the photograph issue has been dropped, even K said she would not have cropped adias hand into the picture. I guess now I am supposed to explain why I say there is no integrity in manipulating a photo, for clarification i am referring to that ONE photo of Echo’s hand with adias hand cropped in . Under the circumstances that are surrounding the Adia foundation, and the scrutiny it is receiving as a possible manipulating scam a manipulated photo adds to the speculations. Perhaps we can just move past the photo and answer some of the other questions that have been posted that are ultimately of more importance. I know you “forwarded my concerns along” but the likeliness that the truth ever comes out and that nutmeg will actually post a response to this allegations are slim. My personal opinion is that she knows this drama is surrounding her, if she had time to login to myspace today and she has not lied or acted in any deceiving way on Etsy and perhaps regarding Adia too, she should have set her priorities to answer to these allegations and reassure everyone that there is a reasonable explanation (unlikely) for all that is being said.
One thing that personally interests me is that she can sell off indian plastic letters and bindi stickers in their brand new packaging as supplies yet another form of abuse to the Etsy TOU
Lo&Behold Says:
Will this photo be in the calendar as well?
http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X1342&site=etsycallout.wordpress.com&url=http%3A%2F%2Fviewmorepics.myspace.com%2Findex.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3DviewImage%26friendID%3D63125884%26albumID%3D542755%26imageID%3D44605
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That is a weird picture, but the comments on it are from 2002, so I’m not sure what it has to do with the Adia issue…
I don’t have a MySpace account, so maybe I’m missing something only viewable to users.
@ Sally:
“Does anyone know if these re-selling links have been sent to Admin at Etsy?”
Yes, Sally, I’ve written them a long letter today with those and other links, and also asking them to look into this (and fund-raising in general) on Etsy.
@Keala: Your work is beautiful and I’m sorry your project came to such an unhappy end.
But if it’s any comfort, I think you did right by those artists. And for what it’s worth, I respect you for your decision, as well as the way you’ve handled yourself in here.
http://www.myspace.com/ampiphany
last login 10/16/2009
Ah, okay. Thanks.
Methinks it’s going to take Nutmeg awhile to have something to say about this.
Mira
methinks you are right.
I would love to hear goatmountainarts opinion about this whole mess. Especially after this:
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6270484&page=120
Wow, her income is $250,000 and higher. I think Nutmeg could of fed Adia’s whole family on that!
goatmountainarts says:
To think money makes anyone feel entitled to behave this way makes me sick.
the irony
@shameonyou: that’s a MySpace I hadn’t seen yet; I noticed the avatar for another one is not available on Pipl anymore, but the MySpace for Adia in India is still up.
Which, at the risk of slaying an already dead horse, I might mention says she is 27-years old…
http://www.myspace.com/adiainindia
Another persona? June Laela
http://junelaela.blogspot.com/
Shameonyou….I read your heartfelt apology and tears streamed down my face. Thank you from the bottom of my heart! I can not tell you the toll all of this has had on me. Mr.Nutcases’s rant on a thread (no one can convince me otherwise) to such terrible hateful convos I received. (from these loving, giving supporters?) sigh..
My mother has cancer and doesn’t have long to live and I have been just exhausted driving to Ohio to attend to her on the weekends. …and of course me with that “tumor thing” I am just at the end of my rope….and somedays I just get mad! So I’ve been posting on PD blog!
hmmmmmmm you owe me an apology for your first post…I did not need that! and thanks to those who knew it wasn’t me..
and to EDC..good work! Just trying to keep on keepin on and am happy that others recognize just what is going on!
Keala…God Bless you…………..Nutcase changed her birthday on Etsy since I pointed out it was March 20th on 2 other sites…Thank God the one that was linked had March 20th on it for all to see…………..Trudy
Does anyone know if the proof of reselling has already been reported to Etsy Admin? They should be.
GoatMountain…Goat…of all the people (uladag included) that hurt me the most was your post calling me crazy…and totally putting me down.
I always read your posts and even convoed you a couple of times. I thought that you went overboard a couple of times, but I never disrespected you like you did me. I really cried when I read your posts….They cut me the deepest. Trudy
“…to such terrible hateful convos I received. (from these loving, giving supporters?) sigh..”
Never got a convo from me, Trudy.
Sorry to hear about your mom. Cancer is never an easy thing to deal with.
Yaya Says:
Another persona? June Laela
http://junelaela.blogspot.com/
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Ha, sho nuff, there she is, in magic mushroom land
“She brings negitive vibes and people leave because of her.”
People leave because they are ashamed and embarrassed for being so stupid. As they should be.
The truth hurts. Boo fucking hoo hoo hoo.
Nothing says “negitive” (sic) quite like STEALING in the name of a small and hungry child.
BlackTear..Thank you for your concern over my mom..It’s just so distressing on so many levels to see such a once vibrant woman down to 70#s and feeling so vulnerable.
You are right you did not convo me. I had enough to know what it feels like to be shunned by a community. Oh well, “It is what it is!” I stood up and I would do it again.
I hear you… I lost my own mother to cancer a few days after I turned twelve.
As for shunning, to be fair, you had your own harsh words. However – what Uludag did was not right nor was it called for.
I’m so sorry to hear about your mother..at such a young age..tragic
Uhn…What harsh words? Seriously I am asking…If you could site them I would appreciate seeing them. I don’t believe I said anything harsh…I know that I was asking questions after my friend was stood up twice. I really don’t remember my writing harsh words…and I’m not in the mood to go back and reread it again…Don’t want to revisit.
It’s just that I do not believe I wrote harsh words.
Yaya Says:
Another persona? June Laela
http://junelaela.blogspot.com/
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Ha, sho nuff, there she is, in magic mushroom land
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Gotta feel sorry for the riot police in that one. OMG
OMG…could I write “Harsh Words”‘ any more times! ha…I am getting tired……..yawn…….Trudy
That thread was a whirlwind… if I can recollect, you were the first to call Nutmeg a fraud, based on not getting answers to your questions within a short period of time. In convos, you were also demanding personal information from Nutmeg. I was talking with her just before she left to meet with whoever you set up to meet with her. It all seemed unfair because you needed to know every detail, but would not offer any information in return. She was deeply concerned and I was concerned for her family because it did not feel right (the one-sidedness of the situation).
Everyone questions Nutmeg, but on the flipside, how does anyone know that you actually set up things the way you say you did? There’s no proof either that you have a friend in India who was willing to help.
Maybe ‘harsh words’ was an overstatement (this is to memory, I have not gone back to the thread) – but I do remember the emotional impact the situation had on Nutmeg and to the rest of the group while this was unfolding.
BlackTear…..First off you don’t know what the Fuck you are talking about! I NEVER, EVER, EVER called her a fraud..Never…I just kept asking questions…If you haven’t gotten it by now you will never get it! I’m serious…I’m done convincing people like you…about anything…I refuse to waste my time. I have written enough to write a book and if after reading these blogs..
PD’s, and all the other posters and blogs…YOU WILL NEVER GET IT! How dare you! You just stand by your buddy Nutcase, but I’ll tell you one thing…You are making an absolute ass out of yourself! Defending those “hustlers” If I were you I would be totally embarrassed……….YOu can not possibly be that stupid.
No more MS. nice guy for any supporter of hers at this point. If you can’t see the handwriting on the wall by now you are just plain ignorant!
Do you want to see my checks to my friend that I have paid for his staying over to help your homegirl out? His change of airfair alone will take me a month of work to pay…
You want harsh…you got it…I am tired and I am going to bed! You sicken me.
Wow, I’m making an ass out myself? You are the one exploding, Trudy…
BlackTear, I know the impact of Trudy’s questions in that thread on nutmeg and the group was huge. However, I don’t remember Trudy using harsh words until after the group started to say that it was ridiculous and disgusting and stuff. Also, I don’t remember her calling nutmeg a fraud there. I might be wrong but that’s what I remember.
Trudy, PD (as in PussDaddy) hasn’t been standing by nutmeg or supporting her in any way. Most people who have been posting here are not nutmeg supporters.
I wonder how nutmeg will respond to all of this. Or even if she will respond.
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207. beenwatching Says:
October 16, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Yaya Says:
Another persona? June Laela
http://junelaela.blogspot.com/
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Ha, sho nuff, there she is, in magic mushroom land
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Jesus, another one? Is it really? How can anyone, even the fucking goat deny that this person is shady as hell. How many names do all of you have?
What is that she took pictures of? Ditch weed? Jimson weed? Whatever it is that blog link reads as if she smoked it.
PussDaddy
Chantelle, I remember how Trudy freaking out was freaking everyone out… and then she posts this…
“Anyone can go to India go to a slum and find a starving child and admit them to the hospital under any name. Sure there will be more pictures, …Does not mean the donations are going to her.
This is my last post on this subject. I am not being a coward you can convo me anytime…We don’t know who Drjc is for God’s sake…This is the internet.”
Seems to me that Trudy indeed called Nutmeg a fraud and even extended the implication to DRJC.
I gave it how it was from my sofa and got a mighty FUCK YOU. Whatever.
this was unfolding.
215. Trudy Says:
October 16, 2009 at 10:40 pm
BlackTear…..First off you don’t know what the Fuck you are talking about! I NEVER, EVER, EVER called her a fraud..Never…I just kept asking questions…If you haven’t gotten it by now you will never get it! I’m serious…I’m done convincing people like you…about anything…I refuse to waste my time. I have written enough to write a book and if after reading these blogs..
PD’s, and all the other posters and blogs…YOU WILL NEVER GET IT! How dare you! You just stand by your buddy Nutcase, but I’ll tell you one thing…You are making an absolute ass out of yourself! Defending those “hustlers” If I were you I would be totally embarrassed……….YOu can not possibly be that stupid.
No more MS. nice guy for any supporter of hers at this point. If you can’t see the handwriting on the wall by now you are just plain ignorant!
Do you want to see my checks to my friend that I have paid for his staying over to help your homegirl out? His change of airfair alone will take me a month of work to pay…
You want harsh…you got it…I am tired and I am going to bed! You sicken me.
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Uhhmm, hello, I am PD, or PussDaddy, you have been talking to me, and I have been blogging about this scam artist for almost a month. I have no idea what you are talking about getting a home girl out or airfair or anything of the sort.
PussDaddy
BlackTear I thought you were a class act. Damn.
Trudy I really don’t know what to say to make you feel better so I am sending out hugs.
I think Trudy meant this…
” I have written enough to write a book and if after reading these blogs (such as) PD’s, and all the other posters and blogs…YOU WILL NEVER GET IT! ”
She was referring to your blog, PD, as being one to expose Nutmeg and me lacking the intelligence to believe a word you say.
I want to clarify that I called this a scam about a week after the Adia In India site was made, and I removed the link to the site from my blog and made a blog post saying why, and I have posted on the side of this being a scam ever since. I have no idea about anything about homegirls and airfairs or anything. I do remember getting a blog post on one of my Adia posts yesterday about changing planes and airfair and the cost but as everyone can see yesterday was busy blog day for me and I basically passed it thru and now I need to read it in depth. Once and for all, I have known this was a scam almost from jump street and have said so and am still saying so at this very minute.
PussDaddy
Mary… I’m discussing calmly and giving an account from my perspective. I’m not name calling, I’m not swearing… I wonder what your definition of ‘class act’ is.
PD… if this were a scam, I want my cut.
Why has Nutmeg not come in here to justify herself?
What do you need justified, Lexie?
Reselling for a start would be good.
Okay, well to my knowledge the info re: the reselling has been forwarded to Etsy Admin. I know Nutmeg is currently waiting for word from them so she can provide additional information about her listings.
Anything else?
BlackTear Trudy came in here and bared her soul. She was attacked in the threads for asking legitimate questions. The attacks on her were insane and horrible. She is feeling a bit better and you have to say what you did.
Trudy was justified in asking questions even if you didn’t like them. The poor woman is dealing with unimaginable stuff and then you have to upset her even more. The stuff that she was saying was not harsh and she did not deserve to be treated like that then and she doesn’t deserve to be treated badly now.
If anything you “aunties” should be THANKING her and all the people who are uncovering this vile stuff about nutmeg and you should be thanking them for asking important questions even when they weren’t popular.
This is absolutely insane.
I’m out.
Mary… Nutmeg is also a human being with real emotion and the things Trudy said and implied were hurtful to her. Trudy is also not the only person to be dealing with things. I personally have my own emotional investments that literally tears my heart open regarding Adia. And THAT’S who I’m in this for.
It sucks that Trudy is having a hard go… it really does. I’m not malicious and I mean her no ill harm.
Next the arguement will be to let nutjob do whatever she wants to do on Etsy because she has a kid to feed.
PussDaddy
PD… if she’s not complying with Etsy rules, then she should. Just like everyone else on Etsy.
http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X1342&site=etsycallout.wordpress.com&url=http%3A%2F%2Fviewmorepics.myspace.com%2Findex.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3DviewImage%26friendID%3D63125884%26albumID%3D542755%26imageID%3D44605
We have seen this picture before. Just a jokey picture, we all do it.
Scroll down a bit though and read the comments.
Made by Rahul Dhara. The friend who some thought might have been Uladag.
You know, up until now, I have watched this fiasco unfold without saying a word. I’ve been on Etsy for awhile, and pegged nutmeg as a whackjob a long time ago.
But then, I am by nature, a cynical person when it comes to things like this.
I am sorry though, for all the people that have reached out to help for what they thought was a good cause. You tried to do the right thing. You are credits on the good side of the human race.
This is exactly why I only give to one charity, which is in my hometown, where I can see the results of the money and donations that they collect.
“Made by Rahul Dhara. The friend who some thought might have been Uladag.”
The avatar he is using looks like mountain scenery – I wonder if it is Uladag, the Turkish mountain.
Whether uludag on Etsy is Mr. Netmug or his good friend Rahul Dhara made no difference as far as I was concerned, he is part of the whole business and having your best friend sign up to buy only from you and leave you feedback is still a form of shilling.
“I know Nutmeg is currently waiting for word from them so she can provide additional information about her listings.”
roflmao
I sure hope she doesn’t ingest too many drugs before she and her potato headed hubby can fabricate this “additional information.”
Blacktear says ” I personally have my own emotional investments that literally tears my heart open regarding Adia. And THAT’S who I’m in this for. ”
I am seeing this whole business as a question of who is Adia, where is Adia, how much that has been told about Adia is true?
Is none of it true, very little true, most of it true, all of it true. Is this from past experiences or current ones?
There really is absolutely no way of knowing other than by taking Nutmeg’s word so it hinges on how honest and truthful Nutmeg is and that is the only basis to judge by.
We know for a fact she uses different names but there are a variety of reasons people do that.
She has definitely lied about her birth date and age. While people sometimes like to appear older or younger giving different days of birth is usually purely a way to avoid detection as many authorities link name and birth date when searching for people.
There is strong evidence that sets of nesting dolls which her husband trades in are being re-sold as restored vintage items and to make this worse also concocting a flowery story to attract a purchaser.
There is the bag which was sold on Etsy and is also being offered for sale on another site – the identical bag.
Other evidence of reselling has been discovered throughout this thread.
Taken with the variations at times in the Adia story which have given rise all along to doubt in some people’s minds I don’t see how anyone can ever be sure that the truth is being told.
Photos can be obtained and used to help a lie, friends may bear witness for each other.
Only trust and faith in a person’s honest character can be used in any case of this type. Can anyone who has followed this thread closely really believe that Nutmeg wouldn’t tell a lie or practice a deceit?
I doubt whether Etsy will take action on items that have already been sold, they are slow to act on major resellers with current listings.
Another persona? June Laela
http://junelaela.blogspot.com/
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“Someone on my blog pointed out that on this link that there’s another version of the name in the very last postcard on hte first link. It’s “Echo Lalia June Jaya Tru-Froots Vincent”. Two more names. There’s also an email address…..”
PussDaddy
i cannot even imagine how tiring it would be to be an internet hustler. can you even imagine the time and effort it would take to put together all this stuff all over the internet?:
(after some sleuthing you have all found mounds of evidence of fraud, including:)
numerous identities….
insanely detailed descriptions of nutty’s process in ‘restoring’ her items (although they are offered on her other websites off etsy in counts of 500).
website after website with slight name alterations….
husband mispelling wife’s name and different birthdays/ages….
AGAIN I will mention the reselling, and the poetic descriptions of the ‘work that went into these items’….
When it comes down to it, the Nuttys are not honest people. Every website they sold on would match the other one. Birthdays and names would be the same. Everything would add up.
For any of you who have a myspace, blog, a shop online… think about this. Would you keep changing your name? Would you take an item you sold in bulk on one website, write up a three paragraph description of that item and how you ‘made it’ , and sell it on etsy?
Don’t you think when the sales kept coming, the lies had to get deeper and deeper?
Unfortunatley the world is full of greedy people.
I agree with many others… that it is best to find a charity that is established as REAL. There are so many people in need.
Even if this child is real .. how can we trust that someone who is definitely NOT transparent will give a penny to this child?
I hope that everyone talking about this on this site can be respectful of one another because keeping this dialogue at that level is a good thing.
It would be awful if people feel they must turn away from the truth because they don’t like the ‘tone’ of those who have found the truth.. it’s a big thing to admit you were fooled by this hustler, but I’d like to say to all those ‘aunts’… don’t let it hurt your ego.
It’s almost a compliment to you, that you have a big heart and you have trust that people are always good. Next time, just make sure to ASK more questions, and don’t just go into things blindly.
Remember, there are all sorts of creeps on the internet.
Etsy has the persona of being a ‘community’ of artists.. but its a big, big place.
There is just too much evidence at this point , too many flags raised.. I think it’s time for everyone to just face the truth.
Yes you thought you had a friend, and you thought you were helping a very special cause.. but it was a lie.
The names no longer matter.
The birth dates no longer matter.
The shilling no longer matters.
The reselling no longer matters.
The screwing money out of people who can ill afford it no longer matters.
The calendar with the hands no longer matters.
Where she actually is at the moment no longer matters.
How she funded getting there and how she will fund getting back and when no longer matters.
Whether Uladag is a family friend or her husband no longer matters.
Whether Adia is actually in hospital or still on the street being used as a begging bowl no longer matters.
……… and why???
Because Etsy will do bugger all about it. She will write another 10 pages of flowery scroll to them explaining why she did it and they will accept her explanation gratefully.
Because the Aunties will never believe anything bad said about Nutmeg even when the evidence is placed in front of them. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Because they will still be touting for money wherever they can and new people will be sucked in.
Because after a month of people shouting scam, shill, resell etc no one is really any further forward.
Tomorrow everything will be the same.
She will be selling on Etsy. Her stuff might not be vintage, might not be hand made by her, but she will still be selling it because she won’t have the common decency to clear her shop and remove herself from Etsy permanently.
So basically even if black is black it will always be white to the aunties and you can never convince them otherwise.
Sorry – had more than enough of this rubbish. Let them get on with it.
and also… the Nut has not had anything to say.
like a thief running from the crime scene
You’re not being fair, Box.
Nuttymeg *would* post and explain *everything* if only she could but sadly, her laptop and camera were crushed to bits during the most recent attack by the crazed village idiot.
Sadly too, she will be scarred from this savage attack so she is now accepting donations for new tattoos to cover the scars.
Run fast to Paypal, BlackTear. RUN!
Aside to Trudy. You would have more credibility if you weren’t so rude and had an iota of reading comprehension.
box of entenmens cookies, you’d think it would be easier to just go get a fricking job, huh? People like this have no conscience about what they do, take from, or steal from other people. They feel they are entitled to it because you have plenty and they have nothing, even though you probably work for it and they have never worked a day in their life. She is not concerned about Etsians, Aunty’s, or even fricking Adia. She did make a thread that one time saying she thought it perfectly ok to steal from companies for instance, as a form of protest she said. You know how some people get that cheesy like substance up under their balls, I think it is called smegma, this is what these people are like.
PussDaddy
I have also been reading about child begging rings in India, and people rent these kids.
PussDaddy
Bedazzled Condom Says:
October 17, 2009 at 8:52 am
You’re not being fair, Box.
Nuttymeg *would* post and explain *everything* if only she could but sadly, her laptop and camera were crushed to bits during the most recent attack by the crazed village idiot.
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OH… well THAT explains it.
what awful timing.
I’ve heard village idiot attack incidents have been growing at an alarming rate in recent years..and everybody knows that they HATE electronics.
maybe we can find a charity that collects money for replacement of these lost electronics, and that helps the victims with the metal trauma of these brutal attacks.
oops.. that’s “mental trauma”.
Well if this whole thing goes any further, if it is a scam, if the aunties continue to do what they are doing and leave things as is because they don’t want to hurt nutmegs feelings, then they are just as responsible as nutmeg in scamming people.
It is a lot of “ifs” but this is the direction is seems to be going.
I guess what bothers me the most is people are getting scammed (at least off etsy) and the aunties seem to be okay with this because nutmeg is their bud. I don’t think you [the aunties] are taking any more money but if you are you will also be held accountable if this thing goes belly up.
If I am totally overreacting and everything is on the up and up then I absolutely apologize. The most important thing is Adia. Does anyone have an update about her? I haven’t been able to find a recent one and I would love to see how she is doing.
Metal trauma works too.
metal trauma = the aftermath of spork attacks
PD I absolutely know that you are PussDaddy…I meant as was stated above..that if she was still suppporting Nutcase after all the facts blogs, PD’s and posts….then Damn she will never get it!
I shouldn’t have spaced it the way I did…You uncovered it…and you supported my writing avout her..I owe you a debt of gratitude…I hope I didn’t cause you any undue dtress…Honest to God..I know that you are ill..damn I am so sorry…
PD said “I have also been reading about child begging rings in India, and people rent these kids.”
At the very start of all this when Nutmeg said the child had no name and her age was vague that was the first thought I had – she probably isn’t family at all. Its a terrible thing to consider but now I wonder if Nutmeg is also effectively renting the kid for her own ends.
Some children are horribly maimed, including amputation of healthy limbs, in order for them to be used for begging especially if they have a birth defect. If they aren’t going to grow up they may as well earn the family something while they can.
Nutmeg has posted in the Adia forum that she has read this blog, had she had a straightforward answer to any of the questions of reselling, varying birth dates etc. being human I’m sure she would have posted them. However if it is going to take time to try to come up with something she couldn’t could she.
Since this has become so incredibly harsh and heated, I have decided to leave the aunties. They know this and I have their blessings.
It is just not worth the loss of what little reputation I have left and the stress that comes with all of this.
It wasn’t the proof and/or accusations that made me leave. It was the worry that even MY child could be brought into as Nutmeg’s has. (making fun of her name and appearance)
I will not deny or defend all of the evidence that has been provided here. I’m not interested in it at this point. When things have calmed a bit, I will go back and look at it again, hopefully with a neutral eye.
If this is indeed a scam, please accept my apologies. If not, well, let’s just leave that alone.
This has, indeed, been one big clusterfuck from the get-go. I did what I felt in my heart was right and am now bowing out. But I really don’t think any of the other aunties are cold hearted and in on any scam. They’re good people.
Not Really Surprised, one of my early objections to this thing was that nutmeg was paying for this child… Which encourages the family to rent her out. I felt that this was hugely unethical.
Of course nutmeg may have lied about giving money to the family so that she could keep the money.
Who knows how old the child is, anyways… Nutmeg said 20 months, that Indian Express article said 14… Who knows? I’m thinking details are only important to the nutmegs when they’re spinning a tale. And that the details don’t match because the nutmegs are lying.
Mary says “I guess what bothers me the most is people are getting scammed (at least off etsy) and the aunties seem to be okay with this because nutmeg is their bud. I don’t think you [the aunties] are taking any more money but if you are you will also be held accountable if this thing goes belly up. ”
It seems to be the first rule of fund-raising on internet forums that you do not ask for money or be responsible for its collection yourself. Very few people are overly sympathetic to the person who asks outright to be given money. You make friends who will voluntarily do it for you when they learn of your problem and the expense your are incurring and if anything goes wrong then they will be responsible – Nutmeg isn’t the treasurer or paypal account holder is she?
Nutmeg is already defending this position here
“nutmegclick says:
aoso guys i’ve been really weell known around here for like….four months before all of this happened. and in my fdirst poqts i was NPOT asking for money i was coming to a group of freidns for em,optional support becaus ei saw something horrible. and thereafter also i asked for THOUGHTS AND PREAYERS for weeks and didn’t mentiopn money until so many people were asking me i had to address it.
in fact, at the time i said something to the effect of ‘please dont feel pressured to give any money, we’re trying to get it from NGOs, mostly we would appreciate your thoughts and love’ or something. but that’s because i’m a SUPER scam arists nad know reverse psychology???
but i PLANNED that all, right? coming on etsy, making friends, then drawing out this whole huge thing to entrap evenryone. give me a damned break.
i’m serriously losing all hope right no. after everything i’m dealing with here – and now this complete shit.
Posted at 10:50 pm, September 10 2009 EST – Report this post ”
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6270484&page=128
Mary (((( thanks for your kind words)))) I forgot to add that I received over 60 convoes from Etsians who supported me and could not have been kinder….They way outweighed any terrible ones…and you know what…even the nastiest ones wrote back and apologized because their “eyes had been open” since…They were lurking on PD’s blogs and had their own “awakening”…..
just amazed…..First off…A person can be pushed so far…2nd..I have excellent reading comprehension and that is the reason I had my own ” Uh oh” moments when my friend presented me with the facts similiar to Edc (OP) It didn’t take a genius to put facts together…
Nutcase…is a hustler..period…She said the child didn’t have a name, but I have the child’s name. …hmmmmmmm Trudy
There were a couple of comments about Nutmeg’s child which I also feel were unfair and unjustified. She should never have been brought into it.
I would prefer just to have the facts here and not the asides or quirky comments.
I have said before and I will say again, I have huge respect for all you Aunties. You have been pulling together to try to help a child in India. Unfortunately I feel that the family of that child did not want help for her so whatever you did, you were on a hiding to nothing trying to help her.
If the money had been given to a legitimite registered charity with the proviso that Adia be helped then I think more could have come from it. As it is, it is my honest opinion (and I wish it was wrong) that Adia cannot be helped.
Unfortunately there is too much evidence against Nutmeg now. The reselling aspect is the one that would lose Nutmeg credibility on Etsy and anyone supporting her would be seen automatically to be supporting her reselling too and consequently their credibility would be called up too.
Given that it appears that Nutmeg does not make anything herself you all have too much to lose yourselves with your shops and your reputations to be seen to be associating with her.
It must be absolutely heartbreaking for you all to see how this has developed but there comes a time when nothing more can be achieved and you should walk away with your heads held high knowing that you have nothing to reproach yourselves for.
The truth is that the Aunties are better people than myself and a lot of the others who have tried to get this stopped. You are definitely better than Nutmeg though. I don’t for one second think that any of you were in on it if this is proved to be a scam and I don’t think anyone else does either.
It is just such a shame that it appeared on Etsy in the first place and set off this chain reaction.
Sorry – I don’t know your name on Etsy but I admire and respect you and I wish you every success with your shop if you have one. As for your reputation – you have definitely got my respect.
“…So basically even if black is black it will always be white to the aunties and you can never convince them otherwise.”
Ditto for the other side, which some members apparently just need to bitch about something (anything) on a daily basis and drag others down in their bitter diatribes.
There is only ONE thing that will make me change my mind – and I don’t really need to discuss that with you guys. Otherwise, this all is just a distraction.
If you have any further REAL concerns about ADIA Foundation (not just Nutmeg) then please direct them to:
contact[at]adiainindia.com
“Well if this whole thing goes any further, if it is a scam, if the aunties continue to do what they are doing and leave things as is because they don’t want to hurt nutmegs feelings, then they are just as responsible as nutmeg in scamming people.”
Indeed.
If it were a scam and cold hard evidence of such comes up, I personally would not hesitate to cry foul.
And with that, I’m no longer commenting here. My concerns now are with Adia and the group as a whole.
Be well all! Enjoy your weekend.
OT: Blah… *** HUGS *** We will miss you
Thanks for the comments, Lexie. Just want to add that I appreciate all those who can discuss things nice and calmly and present real concerns…
Lexie
Mary
Chantelle
EdC
Just a few.
Thanks… and now I’m off.
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This has, indeed, been one big clusterfuck from the get-go. I did what I felt in my heart was right and am now bowing out. But I really don’t think any of the other aunties are cold hearted and in on any scam. They’re good people.
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I believe you and the “aunties” have had the best of intentions. My heart goes out to all the aunties that are undoubtedly torn in this situation, I cannot believe there has been fun made of Echo’s child I myself would not resort to that. Her child is yet another innocent victim in my opinion. I hope everyone can keep children out of this (even though this centers around a child) and be respectful in that manner.
Trudy Says:
October 17, 2009 at 9:39 am
PD I absolutely know that you are PussDaddy…I meant as was stated above..that if she was still suppporting Nutcase after all the facts blogs, PD’s and posts….then Damn she will never get it!
I shouldn’t have spaced it the way I did…You uncovered it…and you supported my writing avout her..I owe you a debt of gratitude…I hope I didn’t cause you any undue dtress…Honest to God..I know that you are ill..damn I am so sorry…
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Don’t worry about it Trudy. I was also real tired when I read it myself, and after everyone explained it I understood it. You didn’t cause me any undue stress at all. I did get your message similar to this one on my own blog but I am damned if I can find it to respond, and I got tired of hunting nutmeg posts for it, so I decided to answer you here. Don’t worry about it at all.
For the record though I prefer only to get due stress if I have to get any. *wink*
PussDaddy
“If you have any further REAL concerns about ADIA Foundation (not just Nutmeg) then please direct them to:”
“My concerns now are with Adia and the group as a whole.”
Unfortunately the fact is that Nutmeg is the link to Adia, which of the Auntys will go to India to care for her needs instead of Nutmeg.
Adia and Nutmeg will always be associated within Etsy.
Nutmeg herself has made it plain she isn’t going to be around helping Adia anyway. She has been away almost five weeks already and has stated her intention to move away from Hyderabad very soon.
The fund raising group can continue and can register to become legal and legitimate, running in an open way for all to see as charities are. Without actual aid workers the funds would need to be donated to recognised organisations who are based overseas and running schemes to help people.
However I’m not sure how Adia will be supported without Nutmeg there.
I honestly don’t care to hear about how nothing should have ever been said about nutmegs kid or her being brought into it. Nutmeg brought her into it herself when she stuffed her into some of her commercially made in India rags that she is trying to resell, posed her, and snapped her picture and listed it on Etsy. All I said is th kid is homely and looked malnourished as an infant, I ain’t using her to pimp my business that shouldn’t even be on Etsy in the first place.
PussDAddy
@Lexie: Take heart; this one’s not going away. I’m very obsessive when I get irritated.
Also, in case any one is interested…
FROM: http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/fraud/internet/#howtodeal
If you think that you’ve been the victim of a fraud scheme that involved the Internet, you can file a complaint online with the Internet Crime Complaint Center, a joint project of the FBI and the National White Collar Crime Center. In addition, you can file complaints about specific types of fraud complaints with the following agencies:
* Commodities Fraud: Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC)
• Consumer Fraud: Federal Trade Commission: https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/
* Securities Fraud: SEC Enforcement Division Complaint Center or your state securities regulators.
That second one would be the relevant one in this case.
Nutmeg needs to give a statement right away.
she clearly has access to a computer, so let’s have a statement please.
if I were part of the group I would try to have us all band together and demand one… it is owed to you all.
Thanks PD..I needed that clarification…whew…
I have to run out the door and I also want to add that the “aunty’s had good intentions. I truly believe that! Who wouldn’t want to help a “starving child anywhere!”
I was in a cat rescue group..I don’t want an animal to go hungry let alone a child.
But, after all the facts, the data, the conflicting information that has been uncovered there are still supporters…My God!
Mr. NutCase stated in his article that they have over 300-400 supporters (not just Etsy) If each of these supporters gave $10…a minimum of $10 that would add up in the thousands!
Why did she go to Nepal (China) to get a visa? Why did she ask me to lie for her to my contact about why she was going?
It is unethical or illegal (?) to leave a country for which your visa was expired to go to another country to go to the embassey to get a visa to enter the country to which your visa expired!….Period.
I have many questions unanswered over in PD blog…so many..
Nutmeg just answer them one at a time..No flowery BS just the facts…
If I had these accusations leveled against me I would answer them ASAP and clear your tarnished name. You are bringing Etsians down with you and it isn’t fair. Don’t you have a conscience?
I in turn will answer absolutely any question that you have. No limits…No question will be out of bounds. I have nothing to hide or gain. Trudy
I am leaving now to go shopping. I will be back…Didn’t want others to think I was in hiding………Trudy
I just want to make it clear that I am not accusing the aunties of scamming. My opinion is “you know better you do better”. That might of come from Dr. Phil
If they know better and continue the status quo, then that would make them part of the scam. They seem to have their eyes open so I think they will do good, what ever that will be.
Mary, I typed out almost exactly what you said last night then deleted it instead of posting it. The Auntys went into this pure of heart with good intentions. We all did. They did however go voluntarily. If they voluntarily stay even against ovewhelming evidence, then yes they are taking part in furthering this scam and by their own reluctance to just call it a day and leave it sitting are guilty by association of anything untoward that happens to anyone, Etsians and Adian included. It is not easy to admit you are wrong. I know I see threads all over about what a terrible person I am to do this to nutball, how I am disparaging her character and slandering her and I am an awful person, and it not easy to read it, but you gotta to what you gotta do.
PussDaddy
Buy me something Trudy! Just joking.
PussDaddy
Ohhh puss….You are funny….grocies for my furry babies and pie…lots of pie!!! because I ate the one I bought yesterday..ha
Yep, you gotta do what you gotta do! Stand up…
Try getting a convo from a sweet auntie that read…”I hope you die from a brain tumor the same way your twin Jude died!”
Fun times had by all…but I got so many that said, “I agree with you 100%, but am scared to write it! I have been getting a more than usual amounts of anonymous hearts lately…ha
Ok…now I am out of here…Wish I could just go shopping in my boxers..that’s my usual “Uniform lately!” (oh and t-shirt!) ha…
I’ll be back later…should get interesting….Me!
OK maybe this question can’t be answered without a doubt right now – but…
Is there truly a child called Adia?
Yes, I’ve seen photos of the child, and photos of nutmeg with her, but is there proof that those photos weren’t taken before while they were out somewhere? Is there proof that there is a child who is being helped?
I just have this gut feeling that there IS no Adia, so her well-being wouldn’t be an issue here. I know there are thousands (millions) of children just like Adia in India – is there absolute proof that this one child is being helped?
Adia is the name that Nutcase gave to a child in the street. She claimed that there was a rumor by the people around the family that had observed them for years…had another child who died from starvation and one who disappeared.
She then said she didn’t want to get the parents in trouble over a rumor. My friend was going to investigate to see if such a family exsisted. He was going to meet Nutcase in the beggining area, but she said that she did not want him there.
He was going to observe from a distance as just someone observing from afar. NM was given information about this.
She said that she wanted to spend “alone time” with Adia…
If an American Dr. was at your disposal to “observe and assist you……..Would you turn him away? Seriously!
and it happened the day at the hospital also. He was staying near the University and was waiting, and waiting and waiting for me to contact him….The last convo I got from Nutcase was that she was going to take her to a private hospital!
No one (hospital staff) knew me or knew that my Dr. friend was going to be silently observing behind a desk to make sure that parents gave the correct name and to assess the situation.
He has an excellent reputation at the hospital and did not want to cause rifts until he verified the child…
I made this perfectly clear to NM…so why would she run around and ask about him? He was doing it as a favor for his wife……..
Trudy…now off to store
If someone is interested in Adia’s real name that NM gave me please convo me…Trudy (of course this is after she stated that the child was NOT given a name!)
oops begging area
It is my belief that there is no Adia.
If I were helping a child in dire need I for sure would keep posting pics of their progress especially after money has been given. Why is it that the only pic I recall is one of nutmeg holding a child on the floor? Where are the pics of the child in the Hospital? Why take the child to a private hospital if you are in need of funding to keep her care going? especially when Trudy had contacts waiting for the child at a different hospital? Just as the church thing that was mentioned by fancypants that entire fiasco involving the hospital was evasive.
Trudy, the cruelty of some to send you convos with such cruel messages, they are degrading human beings and only look for the fastest way to cause your heart to hurt. I am sorry you had to deal with those hateful convos and I do hope you forwarded to Etsy, I sincerely hope Etsy admin is closely watching and hopefully they are taking action… (wishful thinking I know)
Nutjob and her uladog will probably outlast every damn one of you on Etsy, it is sad to say.
PussDaddy
has any of this been forwarded to the many online news sources that ran the Adia story? That might be a good idea, I wonder what else they can uncover.
What about that Sharon Fernandez reporter chick, is she real or just a scam, too?
PussDaddy
Good question, PD. I was wondering that myself.
This is getting silly now.
Are there not enough facts with links and highly suspect parts of the whole story without going into weird stuff about reporters not existing and there not being a child who has been passed of in photos and reports by Nutmeg as Adia.
There is plenty to condemn the whole venture without making stuff up and turning it into a total joke just as making fun of Lark was not necessary.
There is reselling, there is lying, there is a story that doesn’t add up, no need to write your own freakin major conspiracy about fictional reporters writing fictional articles, she took the details on line or by phone she could have been told anything to write down. She checked if it was true with one of the Auntys, how could they know anymore than they had been told by Nutmeg
Some of this has to be for real. The Auntys are in a bad enough situation without making it worse.
It is unethical or illegal (?) to leave a country for which your visa was expired to go to another country to go to the embassey to get a visa to enter the country to which your visa expired!….Period.
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I’ve traveled a bit, and yes, it actually is quite common to visit the embassy of another country to get a visa re-issued. However, Nutmeg knew this, yet, claimed she might not have to go, building up the drama because OH NO, now I have to leave! She knew that the visa couldn’t be re-issued in India.
As for the reporter, I did see a post with a link to a newspaper where apparently an article was printed. I don’t have that link though.
Has her re-selling information been submitted to Etsy? If so, does anyone know when?
No, it isn’t enough, not really surprised.
PussDaddy
Remember the link where she was trippin’ balls on ditch weed?
http://junelaela.blogspot.com/
Someone suggested looking up what part of her name means which leads to this
echolalia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echolalia
I think psychopathology fits best, don’t you?
But if you click further on that link, on the profile
http://www.blogger.com/profile/09414823711642490614
for occupation it says er…uh…..welll
and under interests one of the interests is eat the rich.
PussDaddy
I think Sharon Fernandez is most likely real. I talked to her by email and googled her. I just think she doesn’t work at the most well put together visually or however you want to say it newspaper.
PussDaddy
I twittered a bunch of crap about all of this today.
PussDaddy
I do believe she has been reported to Etsy Sally. I have seen several say they reported her I am not sure that Etsy admin are intelligent enough to see past crap such as “I apprenticed with a master toy maker” to refurbish this doll, and men traipsing across the country with baskets of dolls on their heads and crap to see much past a good item blurb into the truth.
PussDaddy
I also feel for the aunties that are involved… They clearly had generous hearts and wanted to do some good. I find it sad that nutmeg used them in this scam because their efforts deserve better.
I also don’t think that their kid should be made fun of… She’s as much (maybe more) a victim of the nutmegs than anyone else, because she has no choice. I believe that the nutmegs love her very much, but I worry about what ethics Lark will learn from them.
Then again, I don’t know the nutmegs three so I can’t really say anything about lark…. My vague concerns are just that, vague. I hope for the very best for Lark.
I don’t know why but every time I read the word “aunties”, I feel like throwing up a little. Something about that word is so ridiculously annoying. Okay, I digress. Sorry.
That’s ok, lo&behold… I felt the same way about the name “adia” given to the child. There was something about it that bothered me, which is why I’ve always referred to the child as “the child” and not “adia”.
Chantelle said:
I also don’t think that their kid should be made fun of… She’s as much (maybe more) a victim of the nutmegs than anyone else, because she has no choice. I believe that the nutmegs love her very much, but I worry about what ethics Lark will learn from them.
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I think Lark is adorable. While I feel she is loved, I also worry about what ethics she will be taught. I feel she is a victim too. I really don’t think these two have enough sense (not to mention morals) to raise a child.
I didn’t like the name Adia either and in fact kept spelling it Aida on my blog and had to go back and change it. Also I do not like Auntys, because for one thing plural would be Aunties, and I especially hate it when people pronounce it On-tie. I know that is how it probably should be pronounced, but I just grew up hearing it pronounced An-tie.
PussDaddy
Lo&Behold Says:
I don’t know why but every time I read the word “aunties”, I feel like throwing up a little. Something about that word is so ridiculously annoying. Okay, I digress. Sorry.
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I feel the same way about “HUZZAH!”. Unfortunately it is stuck in my head and I want to include it in all of my posts.
ex)
Nutmeg scammed her customers. HUZZAH!
HUZZAH! I can’t stand Auntys….(not the people the title) and OMG I have to think everytime I spell the child’s name…
I think I’ll call her Vicki (for Victim) and I always refer to the Aunty’s as supporters…Who can think of another name?
Heh Sally….This should tickle you…and the reason for my thinking something was amiss….
When informed that the Dr. friend and his friends were reading the posts to get information regarding “Vicki” and her location Nutcase replied…: ( I’ll paraphraze I had to go through a lot of flowery BS to get to it..) :
“Yikes..I would have never mentioned going to Nepal for a visa if I thought someone “official” would be reading my posts.
If you can explain (in other words lie) to them that we’re visiting Pokhara and Kathmandu and then coming back in a couple of weeks …”
Shameonyou.I’m sorry I didn’t see your post. I wasn’t ignoring you…Thank you for your kind support and wonderful words. Wow..
What’s funny was when Uladag…you know ulading, dang, dong wrote that thread and then posted…”I dare you to convo me!” Well, I did and he never convoed me back…ha..What a joke! Big bad ass…
Street Hustlers without any conscience that is a very scary and sick combination….
I can go to a dog rescue group find an abused starving dog and have my picture taken with one and I could send an SOS out to Etsy and within an hr. get hundreds of donations from Etsians… to feed, Vet, and rescue…(if permitted to solicit donations) Why in the hell was Vicki’s thread allowed to stay open!
But of course I had to prime the pump first…
I just visited a pound and they are going to put this beautiful lab down..She is covered in fleas and has been used in dog fights..I have seen the ravages of her wounds. The flies contiue to make ways into her sores as I hold her head in my lap. blah, blah, blah…..
Of course she is pregnant and I now have to care for her puppies and she’s in distress blah, blah, blah…The dog’s a runner and I now have to build a fence. blah, blah,
The vet said that she needs surgery blah, blah, blah…
OK…now the one dog is taken care of…OMG…there is a whole kennel full of dogs that need TLC….
KEEP THOSE CARDS AND LETTERS COMING IN FOLKS!!!
Oh, I can prove it…I got this picture here. See that’s me..that’s the dog. I write all about the flies and stuff so dang why are you all being so mean to me!!!!
WHY CAN’T YOU ALL JUST LEAVE BRITTANEY ALONE!!!!! (think Brittaney Spears video!!!!)
Uladag = misternutmeg / nutmeg
So I checked out that newly revealed blog… And looked at the contributors…
Is this her guy using a different name or what?
http://blel.blogspot.com/
More weirdness.
Been watching this all from the very beginning, and while I was at first surprised (considering I was fond of Nutmeg’s posts) I’m no longer surprised in the least – ugh what a mess.
Trudy, thanks for that nugget. Would love to see the whole link, if you have it.
We’ve got to barrage Admin so hopefully someone will do something. Maybe another thread will get started as that seems to get their attention.
I mean, Admin can’t be this blind to what has now become obvious.
been watching…OOOOOOhhhhhh I think you are onto something…He has red hair and go to Recent Posts and then to …… I’ve been very low energy lately..echo is gone..
Well it sure makes one go hmmmmm….I can’t remember his birthday? What was that Uladag (or whatever birthday?) I know it mas the same…Was he a capricorn? I’m going to see if I can find it….
Sally it was in a convo….That was the meat of it..the rest is BS flowery crap…and descriptions of India over and over ad nauseum………ugh….She stated no less than 5 times that she was worried that Vicki would be taken away from her if anyone investigated!!!! Golden Goose?
Trudy– He was a Scorpio. I remember because Charles Manson is too. Ew.
don’t you all just love the quote on hubby’s myspace page?
“Do I contradict myself, very well I contradict myself,for I am large and have many multitudes”
something about it just fits so… well.
http://www.myspace.com/MonsieurGodot
background is VERY busy so if you want to read you will have to highlight the text to make it visible.
http://blogs.myspace.com/MonsieurGodot
Check out the post from Nov 23 2007. It’s pretty good actually.
Here is a snippet:
“Righteousness comes from not only doing what is good,but fighting what is not.
This is perhaps a trite example indeed-but it serves to illustrate the point that our society has taken a turn towards pathological levels of selfishness and denial.We can no longer see beyond the meagre expanse of our own lives to either admit to giving of ourselves,or to admit the evil that we have selfishly horded with a casual sense of entitlement.”
and
“We grow fat on our lack of moral compunction, we feed off of others as though they were as dispensable as the goods that they produce.”
Oops I should have mentioned that the quotes came from the husband’s blog.
You know what… I am going to post the whole entry. Once again It was taken from http://blogs.myspace.com/MonsieurGodot
“There is no ending not followed by a beginning,there is no
darkness not followed by a light.All things in the end will either be destroyed of their own wickedness,or become great by the light that is in them”.
The other day I was in distress over something,and walked up to a man on the street to ask him for directions.He refused to even acknowledge me, and walked right by me as though I did not exist.That was wrong.I will not sit down and suffer injustice as though I accept the pretense that to do so brings me “righteousness”.Righteousness comes from not only doing what is good,but fighting what is not.
This is perhaps a trite example indeed-but it serves to illustrate the point that our society has taken a turn towards pathological levels of selfishness and denial.We can no longer see beyond the meagre expanse of our own lives to either admit to giving of ourselves,or to admit the evil that we have selfishly horded with a casual sense of entitlement.
To do nothing in the presence of evil, to witness without speaking against it- amounts to complicity.
To suffer injury to oneself is to be a saint-but to do this is to grasp a release from seity into a higher cause that subsumes one-to simply stand idly by while injustice is being perpetrated is to do injury to that very higher cause.
There is too often in our culture the opinion that to rail against something as unjust is merely to bend ones eyes towards the ill and ill-formed in life,as though we should just as easily turn away from all that offends us into something that we find more suitable.We live in a world so grossly compartmentalized that it offers us a plethora of distractions in every direction-so many that it would seem that we are only glutting ourselves with malcontent to point out the numerous places where our society is disturbing.We are given lip-service to the good,while all around that which is evil grows more subdolous and invisible.
We are given images of the passivity of social struggle,forgetting the boldness that such struggle encompassed, even in its meekness.We have seen the mettle of opposition melt itself into a flaccid whining, a pretense of opposition to slake our own social conscience.When others are not decent human beings we forgive them on account of their lack of “manners” as though their actions could be glossed over by concepts of society and patriotism or any other of the excuses we use to justify anything from the smallest to the greatest of atrocities.We take shelter behind the idea that we are safe from gross misdeed by the seamless manner in which our society hides the misdeeds which it is built on,the very atrocities that allow it to function.We not only allow but refuse to admit the very hypocrisy that we deride in others.
We grow fat on our lack of moral compunction, we feed off of others as though they were as dispensable as the goods that they produce.
But also I must beg to say:
That to look at the workings of our society and blame it on factors that such as these,is to blame the symptoms as the cause of the disease they feed on.
It is not actions that have made us what we are,what we are has made us capable of these actions.
To sin is one thing,but to continue denying that you have sinned is tantamount, indeed that same exact thing as to continue in the same sin,every moment and in perpetuam.
To deny is the same thing as to commit-to witness without crying out is the same thing as to participate…
Here is a thread in which NM partially explains her names. I remember there being another thread in which she goes into further detail, but I don’t feel like hunting it down.
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6198964&page=5
Using a bunch of different names for your online persona isn’t uncommon at all. Many artists and writers use stage names, assumed names, noms de plume, professional names, etc., that are different than their legal ones.
It’s funny how all these wanna-be private dicks (pardon the pun) Google a few names, then draw half-baked conclusions couched in fallacy, when all the while they themselves have no credibility whatsoever.
“EdCBuyer” – har har – is a *sockpuppet.* Anonymous posters are either (a) chicken-shit cowards, or (b) trolls. Why should anyone give one ounce of credence to anything they have to say?
These misguided nimrods who take it upon themselves to police everybody need to just shut the fuck up and go find another hobby.
Thanks for posting that, Mary! Wow, all those words and thoughts because someone ignored him? Umm, I’ve seen pictures of him on the web and if he tried to talk to me, I’d probably ignore him, too.
How arrogant is it for him to compare the person ignoring him to atrocities and hypocrasies. Clearly he’s not as important ot the world as he thinks he is.
Ig’nant, people do use lots of names on the internet, yes… But nutmeg uses more than most people do and she has more than would be suitable for a professional artist. It’s probably the right amount of names for a reseller, however.
@ig’nant:
Yes, that’s true; a lot of people do use various online names. That would not signal a question necessarily to me. For me the question concerns the variability of names in real life. For instance, her letter to the media is signed “Echo June Vincent”–where did the name June come from?
http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:Wy6jvbX-eo0J:adiainindia.hrafnsvartr.com/media/adia.pdf+echo+june+vincent+Hyderabad&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
(Scroll to top and click on blue link for PDF file with photo, signature, and phone number.)
And again…not proof of anything, necessarily; just one more thing I’d want to know more about, personally, before sending her cash through Paypal for this child.
Cwebester, edcbyer did explain why s/he posted as a sockpuppet. That isn’t important, however. The reselling and strange name things edcbyer uncovered about nutmeg are what’s important here.
the reason it’s important is that it points to this whole thing nutmeg started as being a scam. And since they’ve asked for money and coverage from news sources, asking these questions makes sense.
I’m thinking that you don’t like this type of questioning because it exposes you for the slacker you are: a 40-year-old “full-time” ebay seller who can’t make ends meet, who won’t look for any other work that would pay the bills, and who gets someone to do his begging for him. How many people would have given you money if they knew all this? Fewer than actually did give you anything, I suspect.
People aren’t going to stop questioning nutmeg’s actions. I hope that nutmeg’s scam and the begging done on your behalf do result in more people questioning those who ask for money. Watching good people get taken by con artists is so sad.
She’s a hippie… They use pseudonyms, big deal. Echo June Rainforest Jitterbug Frootloop… What the hell difference does it make?
“These misguided nimrods who take it upon themselves to police everybody need to just shut the fuck up and go find another hobby.”
My goodness, CWebster, who pissed in your (donated) cornflakes?
Look on the bright side, old man. Less money for Adia = more money for you and your clearly superior needs.
And if they’re allegedly stealing people’s money, what exactly are they spending it on? Not themselves, from what I’ve seen of their photos.
hahahahahahaha CWebster!!! Look at the pot calling the kettle black about credibility. Taking people’s hard earned money simply because you were too lazy to get a paying job when eBay sales slowed.
if you’ve followed the whole story, there are absolutely many things that do not connect. The reselling evidence alone is quite accurate.
And Nutmeg’s very own post wanting to photoshop Adia’s hand to replace her daughter’s is very telling. Talk about deceptive.
@CWebster:
I have drawn no conclusions; I have raised questions. Why isn’t your friend in here answering them?
There is nothing wrong with asking honest questions of someone who is collecting money for a cause; no matter how nice they are or how much of an internet friend they’ve become. And no one should be made to feel like a jerk for asking them. This fear is what scammers play upon, though.
One of the 10 most common internet scams is called The Sweetheart Swindle, where a person will make friends online, engage your trust, and then work through that friendship to convince you (even subtley) to send them money. This is not necessarily what is going on in this case, but if it’s happening on a yearly basis online, doesn’t it make sense to ask questions? And why wouldn’t a legit operation answer them?
“My goodness, CWebster, who pissed in your (donated) cornflakes?”
Why the jealousy, Troll-y McTrollerson? Did your crack pipe break and you can’t afford a replacement?
“I have drawn no conclusions; I have raised questions. Why isn’t your friend in here answering them?”
Perhaps because she doesn’t owe a sockpuppet an explanation…
Awww, how sweet. The unemployed, middle aged man who can’t keep a roof over his head without accepting money from 20 year old women is worried about little old me.
I’m so touched.
Hey, CWebster, once you got the funds you needed to cover your bills and taxes (which should have already been set aside after a sale if you were operating your business wisely), why keep taking people’s hard earned money?
Why not say thank you so much everyone, for helping me get back on my feet? Why not then donate the surplus to a church or food bank?
Pathetic. You won’t admit it because you’re so defensive, but deep down inside you know you’re a loser. Taking advantage of good people.
Shame on you.
@CWebster:
“Perhaps because she doesn’t owe a sockpuppet an explanation…”
Maybe not…but I think she does owe those who’ve given her money one. And maybe also the prospective buyers of that $1300 worth of merchandise listed on Etsy supporting her cause.
Shame on me? I’m 100 times the human being you are, Sally. You see, I don’t pry into other people’s lives and presume to tell them how to live them. A moral beacon such as yourself should know better. Tsk, tsk.
CWebster please take some of that good karma and pass it along as a form of not fighting with people for 24 hours.
Chris is right. He doesn’t pry into other people’s lives.
Just their bank accounts.
Pry? Ha! You’re the one who has blasted his idiocy all over the forums, and pussdaddy’s blog for all to see. Safe to fight behind the security of a computer, yes?
Good one Mary.
As for “taking people’s hard earned money,” that’s up to the giver, is it not? There are no strings attached to altruism.
You know something. You are all cheapening yourselves here.
There is more than enough proof of wrongdoings by Nutmeg without looking back for something someone said four years before all this blew up.
Yes, to us they are weird and were even more weird four years ago but that doesnt prove them cheats or liars, just strange.
They are probably freeloaders too but:
I think Adia does exist.
I think Nutmeg did get stressed and upset about her condition.
I think initially she did try to help her.
what I dont think is that Nutmeg handed out to the beggars the amount of money she claims she did.
I think a few rupees went to the family and the rest went to Nutmeg but of course there is no proof so that is purely speculation.
These are all things that cant be proved. Lets stick to stuff that can.
Nutmeg is a reseller or items which she claims to have repaired and repainted herself when in actual fact they are mass produced. Whether by fair trade workers or slave labourers is not known.
It would seem that the clothes and other items are bought in markets for a few rupees and then sold on but again that is speculation but I would think probably true. While she was supposedly running around trying to help Adia there were still items going into her shop. I doubt she had the time or the patience to sit at a sewing machine at that time when if we are to believe her, the stress level was at max.
She has admitted in the forums that she wants to sell embroidery on behalf of street beggars or maybe she just wants to sell embroidery that she has bought in markets.
The Uladag issue was despicable and again regardless who it was, friend, husband or herself, it stooped to the lowest of the low. It also proved almost conclusively shilling.
Nutmeg herself brought all this on herself when she brought it into Etsy. No, she never actually asked for money but hinted strongly of the need which is the way con artists and scammers work. She drew in a group of internet friends to help her cause. These were people who didnt know her apart from reading some very flowery words over a few months but who are now standing in the firing line for her.
Nutmeg has never once stood up and defended herself properly. She has always left that to her internet friends to do for her.
She claims to be shy and retiring and if I remember rightly couldnt even talk to the reporter because of it but read all she has written about herself and shy and retiring is not the first phrase that springs to mind. Too full of her own importance is closer to the mark.
It is doubtful given her past track record that they have any intention of remaining in Hyderabad even if they do ever go back. They are nomadic and cant stay in one place long.
The name changes and birth date changes could have something to do with that but again there is no proof.
Another truth is that at some stage maybe even now Adia is or will be on her own. She was all consuming when they were in Hyderabad but now they are in Kathmandu and another more pressing call for help has arisen. Giving material rather than second hand clothes to villagers who had lost everything. That does not ring true.
Why does Nutmeg who is shy and retiring always have to be at the fore of any charity venture she wants to get involved with. She never seems to be happy to donate to another charity but has to start one of her own although charity is the wrong word. Is it because she has some mental problem causing attention seeking? Or it could be that by being top dog she has access to a lot more money than she would if she was an underdog.
At the age of 26 there are not enough days for her to have done all the things she says she has, again speculation. She has obviously never been gainfully employed and neither has her husband so they must either have a letigimate private income or they are adept at freeloading and conning.
Her for want of a better word, aunties have stood firm behind her and have not participated in this discussion (apart from one). My thoughts are that they are just waiting until it all dies down so they can start all over again with the help Adia thing.
That is why you need to stick purely to the facts and that is why you need to work at getting her removed permanently from Etsy. Mud throwing will not work but proof throwing will.
Lo&Behold …He and Charlie Manson huh? Now THAT is funny..
If I read one more writing from Mr. Nutcase I think I’ll poke my eyes out. My God that couple could not be any more perfect for each other. I would hate to see their “Xmas letter” to their friends and family. It takes entire pages to say Merry Christmas! ha…
You guys are funny…Love it!
Classic line..”Who pissed in your (donated) cornflakes!!!!! OMG
No comment to CWebster
Yes, it is up to the giver. They thought you really needed it. I thought you really needed it. I wish I had known that you weren’t trying to make ends meet for yourself other than an eBay site that was losing sales. There are many others that wish they knew also.
Once the eBay site wasn’t working out, why not try and find a job that pays? That’s all that people really want to know.
Sure, laugh at someone else’s expense. You’re just making yourselves look even more petty and bitter.
“No, she never actually asked for money but hinted strongly of the need which is the way con artists and scammers work.”
cough cough *CWebster* cough cough
Here’s what this is really about: “How come people gave to cweb and not MEEEEEEEE?? *whine, whine, stomp, stomp*”
Kinda pathetic, methinks.
Yes, I too am done with CWebster. Not worth my breath.
Excellent post xxxxxxx.
“Here’s what this is really about: “How come people gave to cweb and not MEEEEEEEE?? *whine, whine, stomp, stomp*””
Yes, that’s what it’s about. You figured it out. All my posts here have actually been veiled pleas for money and shoes.
Darn, my cover is blown. How on earth will I pay my bills now?
Cwebster you are looking for another fight aren’t you? Doesn’t this make you tired? Do you want another hundred posts debating whether or not you’re a loser? I wouldn’t. It has to take a toll mentally at least so give yourself a break.
Anyways I won’t direct any more comments to you so do what you will.
If she’s a reseller, flag her items. The end. What’s with all the verbosity and superfluous allegations?
Oh, that’s right – Lookit me! Give me attention!
Bedazzled, you’re killing me! I will send some cornflakes. That haven’t been pissed on.
“Cwebster you are looking for another fight aren’t you?”
Some lunatic loser writes an ignorant blog post berating me, and I’m looking for a fight? Nice spin there, but anyone with half a brain sees the situation for what it really is.
Nobody cares how you pay your bills, Sally, cuz that’s how it works… Your life is your business and my life is mine. Get it? Or do you need me to draw up a diagram for you?
It’s time to fess up, ladies.
Which one of you sent CWebster the care package of booze?
“Your life is your business and my life is mine.”
You can’t really be this stupid, can you? At 40?
It boggles the mind, it do.
I see/smell diversionary tactic going on in here. And, just MHO, but I think this thread would greatly benefit from some concerted effort to ignore off-topic derailment by addressing only on-topic posts.
I agree with edcbyer
Nutmeg is back in India, but nothing new has been listed. Not a word from her in the Etsy forums. Anyone know if she’s been to the Adia Forums? Just curious what the status is.
“I see/smell diversionary tactic going on in here.”
I’m quite sure you also believe in aliens and a second gunman on the grassy knoll…
I hear there are remarkably effective paranoia medications nowadays.
Agreed, edcbyer.
What boggles the mind, bedazzled, is how a mature adult can go around posing as a talking rubber.
Thanks, all. Sally, I noticed only some rearrangement of pictures in her blog that occurred sometime in the last couple days.
Now he’s an MD! Unbelievable. What hidden talent will he surprise us with next?
(Pssst, edc, it’s not off topic. It only looks that way right now. All roads lead to the same end. Patience is a virtue.)
I don’t know anything new. I asked if there was an update on Adia but I haven’t heard anything or found anything. You know for all I have said I really do hope there is an Adia and she is getting proper treatment. I would apologize in a heartbeat to the aunties if that was true.
“What boggles the mind, bedazzled, is how a mature adult can go around posing as a talking rubber.”
How do you know I’m an adult?
Have you been PRYING into my life, old man?
I don’t know why it feels disconcerting. She was so public, so effusive, apparently so genuinely concerned with Adia’s well-being…..well, something seems off that she’s suddenly gone silent.
“Have you been PRYING into my life, old man?”
Considering you don’t have one, that would be rather difficult, no?
Where does it say she is back in India? I can’t find any posts about that.
Of course I have a life, you silly old man.
I even paid for it myself. By working.
FYI: working = something people with self-respect and integrity do to pay their bills.
Sunday, October 18, 2009
Bad Experiences Buying A Dress From Nutmeg Click Stories (Nutmegclick Is A Reseller)
http://pussdaddyblogs.blogspot.com/2009/10/bad-experiences-buying-dress-from.html
P.S. Pay no attention to cwebster. His little panties are in a wad becasue he is getting his freeloading ass kicked all over my blog.
PD
Lexie, actually, that was an assumption I made. I could be wrong. I was notified when her shop re-opened, so I just thought that meant she was back in India.
Even still, I’m surprised she didn’t update anyone from Nepal. There are many, many internet cafes in Nepal, especially in touristic areas such as Kathmandu and Pokhara.
Does anyone actually care about the Nutmeg problem now or are we going to concentrate on CWebster now.
Can we please ignore him or if you do have any arguments with him keep them to his own sponging thread.
It was posted here earlier that she logged int to her myspace account on the 16th and another poster said that she had read this thread.
Haha, self-respect and integrity… On Etsy? Good one.
Well, I’ll leave you swaggering ninnies to your pseudo-intellectual circle jerk. ‘Night, all.
*waves to the queen of staph infections*
Sally, I don’t think she is back in India. I think she is still in Nepal. She was in their forum an hour ago but didn’t post openly.
There’s no money in Nutmeg’s paypal to cover the refund? OMG.
The latest posting from Kathmandu was when she said she had food poisoning – just after this thread opened I think.
Strange how when something dramatic happens here something more dramatic happens there.
Ah, thanks Lexie. I thought I remember her posting she was only going for two weeks to get the visa. Well, plans do change. I wonder why she’s not posting in even the private section of the Adia forum?
“Haha, self-respect and integrity… On Etsy? Good one.”
Is it my imagination or did Chris just insult all the kind souls from ETSY who sent him money and gifts?
Her shop is open, and it says items are being shipped from India. I suppose somene else could be doing that.
She was only going for two weeks supposedly but there were carnivals and goodness knows what else so obviously the Embassy was closed or busy or something. Anyway she said she would have to be away longer and then all this Nepal village destruction thing happened and she seems to have forgotten about Adia apart from a very short post supposedly saying that Adia is in a government hospital and has put on 1.5 kgs but obviously no proof of that.
Thanks, xxxxxxx (see post 346)–only two people have been carrying it on since.
I’m so sorry about that gal who lost her $$ on the dress.
And two more negative feedbacks that the items weren’t received, and letters of inquiry weren’t responded to.
dun dun DUN.
Nope, no money in her account to cover the refund.
Edc, once again, since you obviously missed it the first time around……”Pssst, edc, it’s not off topic. It only looks that way right now. All roads lead to the same end. Patience is a virtue.”
Also, that email came from a person who I am very familiar with and who has thousands of sales on Etsy. I trust her and what she says to be factual or I would not have posted it.
Unfortunately Etsy won’t act on any of these things. They have their money so to Hell with anyone else.
All this lands squarely at the door of Etsy. They were warned right from the start about the problems this donations thing could and would cause and they allowed thread after thread to be opened, some of them running long after they were flagged and should have been closed.
Why would they bother about some poor person who paid for an item and didn’t get either the dress or her money and why would they close her down just because she happens to get loads of negative feedback.
They only close down the ones that will go quietly and without any fuss.
Bedazzled I have no idea what you are talking about but man you have me curious
Puss, did she pay with a credit card through PP or did she use her existing funds?
I love how everytime cwebster opens his mouth he only emphasizes his stupidity and lack of maturity. It is not like he knows a damn thing about either buying or selling on Etsy, what with only 2 feedback. Also, it would do him well to read about my new campaign of compiling remarks made by people who piss me off, remarks like meth, and crack ho, and things of that nature, doing my own rewrite of it and putting my own spin on it, leaving the seller name on it, and sending it right the fuck to the top of every search engine I can find. There is nothing like having meth and crack ho and STD and crap attached to your username. You think you couldn’t sell anything before? lol.
PussDaddy
I would think they’d want to close her down for the re-selling. And the shilling. Surely even they can see she is not the gleaming star they thought she was.
I don’t know how she paid, but she is familiar enough with paypal that she should know to do a chargeback on a credit card.
Pussdaddy, hahaha, stylesmith is then SO busted. LOL!
Why don’t you come back over to my blog cwebster where the big boys play? I have noticed your abscense. Also, you are forcing me to publish the email where your forum buddies emailed me begging me to remove my blog post about you because they are getting so much grief about you. I bet if I publish that you’ll never get another red cent from anyone. So keep running your mouth. In fact, i am going to email your forum buddy right now, send her this thread, tell her I am publishing the email, and that it is because of you.
PussDaddy
Sally, I doubt they would close her down. At worst she will get a rap on the knuckles at best, nothing.
PD, what the heck do you owe him? Publish it for the benefit of those who deserve to know the truth. And don’t even think of removing the blog post!
Sorry – this is getting so silly.
You are playing right into Nutmeg’s hands in completely changing the subject.
Lexie, that doesn’t make any sense. I mean, a lot of what Etsy does and doesn’t do make any sense. But this, this is huge.
A really sad day for etsy if they don’t do the right thing.
I got the feeling that a lot of Etsy Admin felt sympathy for the cause and left it running long after it should have stopped.
I think they still feel sympathy for the cause and that is blocking out what they should rightly do.
Her shop has been flagged since this thread opened and they can see all the evidence here but nothing has been done.
Lexie, do you know, when her shop was flagged, did they also include all the links?
And what about the shilling?
So frustrating!
I don’t know but it does say further up the threads here and on PDblogs that it was flagged. I didn’t flag it myself though because I thought enough other people would.
Nothing to stop it being flagged again though.
Keep plugging away.
And really, apart from the Adia thing which is no longer on Etsy apart from the charity listings, there are a lot of worse sellers still trading on Etsy.
One pitiful email has now been posted on my blog.
PussDaddy
OMG….BREAKING NEWS!!!!!
This is a biggie!!!!!!!! CWebster is ULADAG !!!!!! I recognize that vile anywhere…Woo Hoo….I solved it everyone!!! It took me awhile, but I figured out his MO…
You know attempting to insult and hurt others by throwing their illness in their faces!!! Didn’t work with me and it ain’t working with PD.. So yep, Uladag (or whatever the spelling is) is CWebster!
So can I get a free dress from India…uhm let’s see what size would a 90# woman wear? OH, and of course it is from a reseller so you know what on second thought I’m just going to have to pass on that one. I don’t want to have to pay for the postage to send it to Atlanta!
OK Edc, I’m done carry on…I will ignore the knat in the room. You know I worry about the bumblebees in life! The knats they are just irratants that I can successfully ignore!
We would all be better off to just ignore him. It’s easy…I will not answer any of his stupid posts!
PD which blog? You got so many running..ha..I think I posted on all …am I the pitiful one? Just teasing..Trudy
Sorry folks
This is just too stupid.
I wish you luck with all your endeavours here, whether it be the Nutmeg and Adia thing or CWebster or anything else you choose to bring in.
For me the the subjects just don’t mix and shouldn’t be argued in the same thread.
I hope everything gets sorted out to everyone’s satisfaction but I don’t want to be involved in this mix of different subjects.
Trudy, I only have one blog.
http://pussdaddyblogs.blogspot.com/2009/10/it-seems-that-cwebsters-forum-buddies.html
cwebster is uladag? 0_0?
PussDaddy
I agree Lexie. Hopefully things will simmer down and you’ll think about coming back. I, for one, appreciate your input.
Lexie, you need to calm down. Not everything is always going to run smoothly as planned. Shit happens. A thread may stray off topic for a bit. Even I don’t expect to go to someone else’s blog and run the damn thing as I see fit. I know you are trying to help here, but jumping up and down and yelling about stay on topic is as fricking annoying as us going off topic is to you. It will now most likely get back on track.
PussDaddy
Lexie…We are trying to get rid of CWebster..He just keeps poling his ass in here. That’s why I suggested that we ignore him. ugh…….We are all here for the same reason. I promise you! I’m sorry if I contributed to your frustration! Don’t leave.
It’s 5:10 here and I am getting slap happy!
PD Girl I have been posting on every topic that you have written about in the past 3 days..You are a very busy, busy lady…damn…
Just kidding about the Uludag thing…They have the same amount of class! Ok over to read your blog! Trude
Oh no, why did you take it down, PD?
OK PD I was reading your blog and then it went to the page where it said that there was no blog written ..or words to that effect…What happenned?
Why did you take it down? I was just reading your response…and then I was going to post…Do tell!
OK it’s up everyone. I just posted…Going to bed yawn…Trudy
HUZZAH !!!
Only now found this – people are at last waking up and coming to their senses about the Nutcases
Its worse than I thought.
Reselling
Lying
Cheating customers
Shilling
Multiple identities
Multiple birth dates
Weirdness
I only thought the Adia nonsense was very dubious and likely to be a scam or semi-scam (skim) based on my past experiences of such things.
Carry on the good work of saving people from themselves and their own naivety
HUZZAH !!!
love Filbert
(Netmug is irritating on top of everything else)
Frankly, whether it’s directed at me, or Nutmeg, or whomever else is the scapegoat of the month, I find the behavior of some of the people on this blog and elsewhere deplorable. It’s cynical, small-minded people like you who suck all the goodness out of genuine acts of charity and compassion.
I personally got down on my proverbial knees and expressed my heartfelt gratitude to each and every individual that was caring enough to help another human being in need. Now, should any of those who contributed have an issue with me – after all, those 120+ people are the only ones whose business it actually is – they’ve got my email address and can request their money back, or inquire about the specifics of my financial dilemma. I’ve nothing to hide. Thus far, not a single person has expressed to me their regret in making a donation. Not one. Zero. Zilch. On the contrary, I’ve had a couple dozen of them contact me directly telling me that PussDaddy is a twat and to ignore all the naysayers determined to foment controversy in order to make themselves look good little concerned citizens. In truth, they, the rabble-rousing minority, are bigger frauds than the people they allege are engaged in misconduct.
My suggestion to you, “EdCBuyer” and “Sally” and PusBag, and the handful of others sitting atop their high horses, is to crack open a Bible and read Exodus 20:16, followed by your respective state statutes regarding penalties for libel.
This isn’t about you CWebster – you got to stop thinking everything in the world revolves around you and taking over everywhere. Go play in your own playpen somewhere.
I’m off now, better things to do. WORK to do, money to make.
I will leave you good (and not so good) folk to fight amongst yourselves.
No point replying, I will not be back. Too busy, life to lead.
CW – from the Expert Law website “Most jurisdictions also recognize “per se” defamation, where the allegations are presumed to cause damage to the plaintiff. Typically, the following may consititute defamation per se:
•Attacks on a person’s professional character or standing;
•Allegations that an unmarried person is unchaste;
•Allegations that a person is infected with a sexually transmitted disease;
•Allegations that the person has committed a crime of moral turpitude;”
It seems to me that YOU should be the one concerned about libel laws, since you were the one that accused PD of having a “sexually transmitted disease”….
Just saying’….
CWebster Says:
I’m quite sure you also believe in aliens and a second gunman on the grassy knoll…
I hear there are remarkably effective paranoia medications nowadays.
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You should of gotten them instead of candy, magazines and shoes.
You know Cwebster started a thread on Etsy saying he couldn’t handle the corporate world. All the stress was bad for his delicate senses.
Sorry about answering Cwebster… hadn’t finished all the responses yet!
CWeb: “Frankly, whether it’s directed at me, or Nutmeg, or whomever else is the scapegoat of the month, I find the behavior of some of the people on this blog and elsewhere deplorable. It’s cynical, small-minded people like you who suck all the goodness out of genuine acts of charity and compassion.”
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WOW Cweb – I think it’s your groupies that started the whole mess by acting cynical and small-minded by attacking others that questioned your “need”. Look in your own back yard first.
Someone posted under CWebster’s name, because he wouldn’t start quoting bible verses.
Good morning, Filbert. You and anyone else new to the thread should be sure to read comments 346, and 362-372 before proceeding in here. If you decide to hang around.
“I find the behavior of some of the people on this blog and elsewhere deplorable.” Well, if CWebster can say it, so will I.
In fact, between my online research and some of the comments throughout this thread, I think I’ve about had my fill of human depravity for the month. Thank you, Lexie, Mary, Sally, Chantelle, Black Tear, beenwatching, Not Really Surprised, shameonyou, kitten, Jenn, xxxxxxx, and several others in here who’ve tried to constructively address the issue in this cesspool. In that I no longer anticipate an answer to my questions in here, I’ll be pulling out of this thread–though not pulling away from this problem, to be sure.
I had to repost my blog post about him because the fake cwebster is posting on my blog, too. I am solving it by just not moderating his comments thru on my blog anymore.
http://pussdaddyblogs.blogspot.com/2009/10/it-seems-that-cwebsters-forum-buddies_18.html
So now he can’t post to defend himself, and now my blog post is back at the top of my page. So what this accomplished I have no clue.
PussDaddy
Is that even the real edcbuyer? I wondered about that earlier. Didn’t the other edcbuyer have capital letters in their name? The reason I didn’t say anything earlier is because I though they may have capitalized it to post on etsy and it was uncapitalized on their blog.
PussDaddy
*sigh* Yes, Puss, it’s the real me. I set up my account here immediately after this thread started, to prevent anyone from pretending to be me. NOTE: I will ONLY be posting on WordPress, unless I announce differently from my EdCByer WordPress blog. It’s always been lowercase letters posting comments in here. Only a mix over at Etsy and in my blog.
And now, goodbye.
And darn, I just scanned, and it looks like for some reason my name in these comments DID start as a mix of lower and uppercase; I have no idea why that changed, but you can always verify that these are from me through WordPress. They’ll have my gmail account linked with my WordPress EdCByer account (and many places online, including Etsy, do not allow the same name, even with changes in lower/upper case, anyway–that may be true of WordPress). In any case, I’ll keep tabs, and I will announce from my EdCByer WordPress blog (link way above here somewhere) if there are any imposters.
Bye now. (3rd time’s the charm, I hope.)
Somewhere above (forgive me for not searching) someone provided an Etsy forum link…”do you like your name?”
Nutmeg posted that hers was Brittany Echo and she had gone by Echo since she was 12 or 13.
Remember the first official Adia thread (the one where Trudy and FancyPants were asking questions) that got locked? I think Fancy had asked about Nutmeg’s previous charity and Nutmeg provided a link to the charity and I seem to remember her official “legal” name on there was (can’t remember exact spelling of Brittany), but Brittany June Vincent. She acted all embarassed saying something like, “Now you know the name my mom gave me.” I don’t think that Echo was there at all.
Does anyone know EdCBuyer’s blog address?
I, for one, don’t think the changing of names is that big a deal.
Mine changed too. They started out with capitols, but changed to lower case, but they let me log in using capitols. However, people are posting on my blog who are not who they say they are, and they are doing it here too. Unfortunately unless you can see thru the monitor you cannot tell who actually set up an account. That person said tolooke at posts 346 and 362 thru 372 for a reason. I know for a fact that I let thru some comments of people who are not who they say they are on my own blog.
PussDaddy
I meant, the changing of Nutmeg’s names. Brittany, Echo June, etc. I don’t think that’s that compelling.
I think my posts have all been lowercase. This is also how I set up my account.
I don’t have to log in each time… I get an email each time someone posts here, so I have just been clicking that link.
My name and E-mail are already filled in for me, if I choose to post a reply.
I do Sally, just as I do the birthdates.
Sometimes I use my midde name, sometimes I don’t. Sometimes I use a name I used when I was in college. For me, it’s not a big deal.
If you’re not scamming people for money, then it sounds like you’re not doing for malicious purposes, just being quirky.
xxxxxxxxx (sorry if I added too many x’s) Excellent post.
Interestingly enough the “super ninja cropping” (love using that phrase on here) issue was addressed on the Adia forum yesterday, Nut admitted to having read the ECO blog. When all the issues of identity, shilling, reselling, stealing, deception have been laid out in public I find it quite interesting how she decided to address one and only one issue, the easiest of course.
PD’s blog says there is no money in Nut’s paypal….WTH??? I do believe ( I may be wrong and please feel free to correct me) that the donations were being sent to that email address so the fact that a refund cannot be covered is a HUGE thing in my opinion, then again I may be wrong.
It seems Nut has a teeny bit of sense, the nesting dolls and bindi stickers have been removed from her shop, whether etsy made her do it or whether she decided to remove them for fear of being shut down is unknown. Why take them down if there is nothing to hide? I sure as hell would not take down one of my listings if it was in compliance with all of etsy’s rules just because a blog decided to call me a reseller, not if I had my ducks in a row. I have a feeling that the clock is ticking on this bomb and that it is surely going to go off… of course that may also simply be wishful thinking.
This thread didn’t stray off topic on accident is what I am saying.
PussDaddy
does anyone have a link to the story about nutcase being attacked by the village idiot? i’d like to read that account.
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« on: October 01, 2009, 05:40:29 AM »i think i’ll be around somewhat infrequently for the rest of this week due to some developments here. tomorrow we’re venturing out to the villages, and when we come back i think we’ll be shifting our residence. yesterday a man attacked me out of nowhere; i was meandering down the street to get a chai and he dashed up to me roaring and swinging. fortunately he was fended off by the people around me before he could do any serious harm (thank goodness i did not have Lark with me) but i feel sort of uncomfortable in the area now. the police say he’s a harmless lunatic – but i don’t like the idea of wandering the same streets as someone who becomes less than ‘harmless’ at times. so we’ll be shifting to a place closer to our beloved Durbar Square – and after that i should be able to work more dilligently on our correspondences thanks to the wonderous wonders of guest-house wifi
This when someone asked if she was OK
yes yes, i’m okay – he only managed to frighten me quite badly. i rather lost composure and am afraid i shouted at him quite sternly! this happened once in India also. seems like every village has its resident madman
still i get pretty rattled every time, and don’t like glancing over my shoulder warily, so a new perch it is. we’ve made some friends who offered us a room in their guest-house in exchange for helping them refine the English on their advertisements and such (‘you come Nepal, get stay first quality!’) so it’s a nice arrangement all around. all’s well that ends well!
Mystery solved.
If you click on my name earlier in these comments, EdCByer (with varying case letters), that will link you to the now-deleted “EdCByer” sockpuppet Etsy account associated with the thread that was brought here as the OP. As I was posting in here right before setting up my WordPress account, that was the website the account was linked to.
If you click on the now all-lowercase edcbyer in these later comments, that will take you to my edcbyer.wordpress.com account–my blog here at WordPress, that I set up the same day. Again, I will ONLY be posting here on WordPress in this thread or on my EdCByer Blog (edcbyer.wordpress.com), unless I announce otherwise from my WordPress blog.
Bedazzled said:
Edc, once again, since you obviously missed it the first time around……”Pssst, edc, it’s not off topic. It only looks that way right now. All roads lead to the same end. Patience is a virtue.”
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WHY IS SHE STILL HERE? She contributes nothing to this topic spews diarrhea of the mouth. UGH! Make her go away…
“WHY IS SHE STILL HERE? She contributes nothing to this topic spews diarrhea of the mouth. UGH! Make her go away…”
Hi CW! How are your feet?
kitten Says:
October 18, 2009 at 6:39 am
CWebster Says:
I’m quite sure you also believe in aliens and a second gunman on the grassy knoll…
I hear there are remarkably effective paranoia medications nowadays.
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You should of gotten them instead of candy, magazines and shoes.
You know Cwebster started a thread on Etsy saying he couldn’t handle the corporate world. All the stress was bad for his delicate senses.
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kitten Says:
October 18, 2009 at 6:43 am
Sorry about answering Cwebster… hadn’t finished all the responses yet!
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It’s ok, Cwebster/uludag has delicate senses of his own. did you check out that one link of him in a dress? *snicker*
I understand EdCbuyer. I am still not getting the references to blog post 346 and then 362-372 that some made though.
PussDaddy said “That person said tolooke at posts 346 and 362 thru 372 for a reason. I know for a fact that I let thru some comments of people who are not who they say they are on my own blog.”
I’m missing something
346 Mary Says:
October 17, 2009 at 11:36 pm
I agree with edcbyer
What is derailing the topic in that
I can’t see anything unusual in 362 – 372
Now everyone seems to be someone else and its totally confusing
I think this has run its course now all the revelations have been made and proof provided and its finished until the next new discovery someone makes or until Nutmeg has finished writing up her incredible explanations for everything.
She is an inventive writer so it should be good.
The Auntys will probably believe it because they want to whether its good or not.
Etsy will take no action because they rarely do unless they have no alternative.
@Puss:
Not to worry; those posts are just in agreement with what you said in your post #430, is all. PD, I admire your fearless pursuit of truth; but as much as you can possibly help to keep things civil and on topic in this sad affair, it will help this thread.
Adios.
I believe my posts are numbered differently, as I’ve got one as-yet unmoderated comment:
Here are the posts, Puss:
My #346:
edcbyer Says:
October 17, 2009 at 11:35 pm
I see/smell diversionary tactic going on in here. And, just MHO, but I think this thread would greatly benefit from some concerted effort to ignore off-topic derailment by addressing only on-topic posts.
Your #430:
pussdaddyblogs Says:
October 18, 2009 at 9:30 am
This thread didn’t stray off topic on accident is what I am saying.
PussDaddy
(And my posts #362-372 were just reiterating these. Sorry for the confusion.)
Very interesting how as soon as Puss posted the story about the buyer not being able to get any money back because there is none, some extremely diversionary posts were made and the whole thing was glossed over.
To me, that is one of the most damning pieces of evidence this is a scam.
I’m with you, Puss. The diversion wasn’t an accident…
I thought so.
hmmm…
I believe you are right, uludag/cwebster (as some say it is) has been posting constantly on PD’s blog and has surely seen the link to this thread.
For those who missed it
http://pussdaddyblogs.blogspot.com/2009/10/bad-experiences-buying-dress-from.html
NUTMEGCLICK buyer files paypal dispute, paypal resolves in buyer’s favor NO MONEY IN THE ACCOUNT to give buyer a refund.
I’m going to go enjoy my Sunday a bit but I will be back later tonight see if any further developments are made and of course to read (:
Once again……
“Pssst, edc, it’s not off topic. It only looks that way right now. All roads lead to the same end. Patience is a virtue.”
Why does Trudy have 2 names-Trudy and Trudy Hylant?
Edcbuyer..I sincerely apologize if I caused any iota of wanting to step away from here. Im sorry if I did.
You have done an amazing job (as well as others have ) to reveal facts that have come to light. The information coming in furthers my credibility regarding my friend being blown off in India…It was well worth the money I have to pay him back for his extension.
Too bad that the posts aren’t filtered as PD’s are so that we could stop the madness and we can get back to the facts of the case. Human behaviors such as the Nutcase’s is fascinating to me because of my work in mental health.
For people to succumb to idol worshipping of someone that they have never met is something akin to madness. The supporters that are left are nothing more than cult followers..even with the information that has been presented here.
There are mesmerized by flowery words that any creative writer could put down.
Scene: I am moving back to my childhood home and discovered that all the flowers that I remembered were gone.
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“As my eyes glaze over the path that was once filled with the wild flowers of my youth I am reminded that if just one person could plant a seed my once small vibrant oasis would be once transformed into the glorious landscape of my youth .” Love Trudy
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Fredreka, MY SUPPORTER….OMG…Let’s send Trudy packet’s of seeds so that she can plant flowers in her childhood home….She has been always so sweet to us. We all know and love her. She writes so beautifully! I love her like a sister!
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Trudy…Fredrika…What a remarkable woman you truly are it would be lovely to see my glorious homestead alive with activites and the sweet smell of lavander wafting through my window sill.
Instead of seeds I believe it would be easier for them to send money through paypal and I would purchase my own seeds and plan my garden in the designs of long ago.
I have just come up with a wonderful idea. The fruit trees in the backyard are in need of a grooming and will no longer bare the succulent fruit that I ate with my grandmother as I lay on her lap as she lovingly stroked my hair. It’s just a thought but I would love to transport my many thought to reality.
Give it a thought and just run it by my grammies and papa’s who so lovingly donated for my humble cause of tangibly recreating my bliss and carpet of sentimental journeys that so often has entered my mind…I will never forget your tireless assistance in making this endeaver your own. Hugs and Kisses always my “sister!” You are an amazing caring woman. Love Trudy
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See how easy that was! Oh and then I could take before and after pictures of my garden and sell posters…appeal to the masses to “Plant flowers where hardships grow!” Man I could make a fortune…
PD, Girl…You had to ask. When I first came on here it said name required and I signed my first and last name (duh) ….after I realized it I deleted my last name..but it’s me…both names…Unless one of the names posted a really stupid post then it was someone else (Ha) Trudy
It’s a good thing it didn’t ask for my social security number! I would have given that up too! ha
It was a diversion absolutely!!!! and I was just kidding about Uladag and Cwebster being the same…but wow! Their anger filled rants spewing venum and pathologically rage and bringing up illness to both of us…
If we concentrate on him then we won’t have the time to place more facts on here….This is better than Watergate! Uladag Gate…ha..I would love to see the convos between Nutcases and Webster!
Actually, this hasn’t seemed quite right to me for some time. Just odd little things here and there. So what I am going to do is make whatever blog posts I want on my blog, and not let any comments through at all. It will still be readable to whoever wants to read it and I won’t have to worry about who is who.
Does anyone have a link to where Nutmeg posted online yesterday?
Or was it today?
xxxxxxx,
Where are you finding those posts? Would love to read more.
Sally….I don’t know..I stayed up all night (5:30 am) and got up late afternoon…I don’t remember reading it, but like you I would love to! Trudy
Sally, is this what you’re talking about?
http://adiainindia.com/forum/index.php?topic=147.msg2105;topicseen#msg2105
Re: backup? (peek!)
« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 01:45:27 AM »
yesh, the jist i got over on COE is that what i said equated to totally mocking up a hand and saying it was Adia’s or somesuch – which would definitely involve a whole lot more than ‘super ninja cropping’.
love,
nutmeg
Sally, are you referring to the village madman posts?
They’re here.
http://adiainindia.com/forum/index.php/topic,137.0.html
Read them while you can. Rumor has it those forums may be ‘cleansed’ shortly.
Where did you hear that Bedazzled?
Ok, thanks you guys. Someone said she posted somewhere yesterday? Anyway, not that important, really. Just very curious. I’m not surprised to hear there may be a ‘cleansing’.
You can run but you cannot hide!
I don’t know why this bothers me so much. But it does. It really does. To observe someone be so manipulative, so cunning and charming, to involve an innocent sweet girl and many people, it’s just disturbing and I’m hoping for at least her shop to close.
From someone on the Aunty fringes.
The Auntys {sic} are scrambling elsewhere.
Artfire?
How can the auntys not register all this information? They can’t be this stupid. They can’t. They’re not. Almost as thought they’ve been brain-washed. Just follow Nutmeg wherever she goes.
Nutmegclick on Artfire
Welcome to my blog!
Thank you for stopping by my Artfire Studio Blog. I have just settled in, so be sure to check back soon for updates!
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“I have just settled in”
*vomit*
ArtFire takes all of Etsy’s problem children. No way would I sign up as a buyer there.
That’s rich!
Good Lord, it took me 2 days to get through all these posts! I was skeptical of Nutmeg right from the start. I can’t post in the forums, but I read them and I read an awful lot that originated in critiques by her. Sometimes 2 and 3 new ones a day.
One time someone bumped up all of her recent posts and there were dozens that were the same title started within a short time of each other. I guess someone else was annoyed with her constant ‘look at me’ posting.
Being a long-time Etsy member, I have seen a fair share of those ‘donate to my cause’ threads, and even ones that sounded real enough to be true turned out to be a scam in the end. Anyone remember the damsel in distress? I was fairly new then and ‘friends’ with many in the group of supporters. I donated money and listings to the cause. And a short time later much was revealed that turned me off from ever being tempted to do anything similar again.
There is a lot that is fishy about this adia situation, nothing is positive proof in and of itself, but it sure makes one think twice.
And a note to CWebster, I sure hope you are claiming all that donated income on your taxes. I’d sure hate to read about you on some tax fraud blog.
Hey PD, I know you aren’t taking comments right now, but has the Etsian that bought the dress from Nutmeg left a negative explaining the facts and how there is no $$ in her PayPal? If not, she needs to.
Windy’s designs Says:
One time someone bumped up all of her recent posts and there were dozens that were the same title started within a short time of each other. I guess someone else was annoyed with her constant ‘look at me’ posting.
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I remember that Windy!
I seem to recall that she also started a thread about the neutrals she received when she had been in the forum long enough to know that wasn’t allowed.
I don’t think so kitten. I think she wants to get her money somehow first if she can.
Oh, I am going to bed and I bet the Damsel In Distress would be a wonderul bedtime story.
PussDaddy
If Cwebster was in a financial bind, and his friends wanted to help him out, that’s really their business. etsy forums was the wrong place to do it, but that’s the only issue.
Nutmeg is a horse of an entirely different color. What she has done is felony fraud. She has manufactured a dire situation, and kind-hearted people took her as truthful and donated their time, products, energy and money to the situation. I’m sure they did not donate to support Nutmeg and her bizzare husband and their faux bohemian existential globetrotting lifestyle. They did it to save a child. That breaks my heart, because Nutmeg preyed on the sympathy and decency of her etsy “friends” by knowing exactly which emotional buttons to push to get what she wanted.
The evidence just keeps mounting, from her testing the waters in the forums, reselling, shilling, causing emotional harm to others via email and twitter harrassment, having a cornucopia of identities and personas. . . how can anyone not doubt the entire adia saga at this point?
This is not a truthful person. This is not a person who is here to do good in the world. Quoting Rilke does not make you either an intellectual or a world savior. Having yourself in a picture with a starving child does not mean that you are saving that child. You do not know the people you meet on the internet. Anyone can pretend to be anyone. Again, what breaks my heart is that Nutmeg sociopathically used an invented situation to bilk, scam and steal from basically nice folks who were trying to do some good.
If there is an afterlife, let’s hope she has to explain her actions to a crowd of children who did indeed starve to death.
I would love to see someone report her to the CIA, or the FBI or something for internet fraud or whatever. But who the hell even knows what her name is. I hope she trips on some bad ‘shrooms next time.
PussDaddy
Ahhh, that’s a shame PD. Oh well, maybe Nutmeg’s shops will be closed down soon anyway.
Since Nutmeg is obviously reading, you would think she would do the right thing and reimburse your friend. I guess that isn’t surprising though, considering her character, or lack there of.
I wish her ugly ass dress wearing red headed dirt bag of a husband would stop posting on my damn blog with his blotter acid induced crap.
PussDaddy
pussdaddyblogs Says:
I wish her ugly ass dress wearing red headed dirt bag of a husband would stop posting on my damn blog with his blotter acid induced crap.
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LOL, what?? Is he posting there? Are you taking comments again? What’s he saying?
No, I am still letting them pile up. But going thru and reading some left earlier that I half assed read and passed thru. some seem as if they were left by him. Maybe I am paranoid. The fake Cwebster posting on my blog sorta freaked me out I guess and maybe I am reading too much into stuff. I am thinking that stuff posted that seemed to defend her may have been him. Maybe I am as wacko as they are now though, lol. I am kind of tired. So I am off to bed.
Whoops! The forums are down on the Adia Website.
Nutmeg shop on Artfire. BWAHAHAHAHA!
Not April 1st is it
We know where to buy our nesting dolls and toys for Christmas now.
Has she posted anything about being stuck in Nepal without her airfare home yet.
To rephrase that
Has she posted anything about needing money to buy cloth for the Nepalese to make this years fashionable clothing with so they don’t die from the winter cold
Any ‘Aunty’ who has anything to do with this from now on is as culpable as the Nutcases
The Artfire shop has only been there since August and says she’s in Atlanta. I also stumbled across a craigslist ad for Nutmeg’s shop that said they were in Atlanta.
Are they even in India?
I am going to do some digging for some of the photos she’s taken of India to see if i can find them somewhere else as stock photos or the like….
I checked ten minutes ago Hmmm still there then and they had been very busy today, that is bad luck for them.
Heh PD…How do you know that she hasn’t been reported to the FBI Internet Fraud Unit? There were a lot of important people out there who were reading her posts! Yikes!
Looks like Nutmegclick opened her store on Artfire August 15, 2009. No sales. Lists location as Atlanta, GA.
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She updated her Artfire blog page on October 15….
Nutmegclick on Artfire
Welcome to my blog!
Thank you for stopping by my Artfire Studio Blog. I have just settled in, so be sure to check back soon for updates!
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Maybe she is anticipating being kicked off of Etsy. One can only hope!!
Not Really Surprised Says:
Any ‘Aunty’ who has anything to do with this from now on is as culpable as the Nutcases
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In all fairness, when Nutmeg explained on the Aida forum what she meant by putting Aida’s hand in the picture (after reading all the hoopla on CEO), Keala told her that she understood what she meant, but she wouldn’t have been able to do it anyway.
Just be careful what you write in different names, dates, personas, shilling, on threads, in blogs, in closed threads…
We are in the technical age and it will and does catch up to you. Yep…and maybe someone should notify Sharon Fernandaze’s boss…She was warned (not by me..I would tell you if it were me, but it wasn’t because I didn’t want anything to do with her at that time…that was before I got mad) ahead of time about the possibility of a scam, but still went forward!
“I am going to do some digging for some of the photos she’s taken of India to see if i can find them somewhere else as stock photos or the like….”
We all have photos of us in many places but doesn’t mean that is where we are
She has many problems, doesn’t know the difference between her husband’s stock and her restored and handmade toys. Doesn’t know her birthday. Apparently doesn’t even know where she is – this isn’t the first time she has been confused about that.
Anyone want to start a fund to provide help for her, even if its only to buy one of her own handmade notebooks that uludag loves so she can keep notes to refer to
kitten Says:
October 18, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Not Really Surprised Says:
Any ‘Aunty’ who has anything to do with this from now on is as culpable as the Nutcases
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In all fairness, when Nutmeg explained on the Aida forum what she meant by putting Aida’s hand in the picture (after reading all the hoopla on CEO), Keala told her that she understood what she meant, but she wouldn’t have been able to do it anyway.
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In all fairness Keala changed her Adia avatar and removed all mention of Adia and charity listings in her shop as well
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6279565&page=1
Has Hippiehempstress come to her senses yet or is she still sucking on the nutmeg bong?
Who is the Aunty who jumped ship?
The story by Sharon Fernandez… it was as if she just wrote down everything Nutmeg/MisterNutmeg said without verifying anything. No mention of speaking to doctors or anyone in any official position. No pictures either… you would of thought she would of wanted to see Adia for herself.
Has Bria their treasurer and responsible for all money in and out been seen this month. Who is Blah who posted here that she is leaving
Ahhh, I guess this is where she is alluding to Trudy having a brain tumor and can’t help what she did… you know, before she and her hubby posted as uludag. (That part capitalized)
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6279565&page=12
nutmegclick says:
hullo m’dears -
i think some understanding has been created where there was not some before with someone. i have done a lot of…i guess educating about certain factors unknown to most people in the West that i am dealing with. I ALSO LEARNED SOMETHING VERY SAD WHICH REALLY MAKES ME NOT ANGRY WITH THEM AT ALL BECAUSE I DO NOT THINK IT IS THEIR FAULT.
letting go, letting go….anger and negativity has no place in something good and beautiful!
(claps and twirls about merrily)
here, win, have some chai….
love,
nutmeg
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everytime i see “m’dears” i cringe
Wow, not a hint of remorse or concern. It’s still all about Nutmeg the sociopath.
Oh man – I posted in that thread. I really regret it now. sigh
Oh crap, lol. I thought that was a newly posted comment.
I still think she’s a sociopath.
wow. this whole thing has been crazy! I really don’t know what to say. I tend to by cynical about most charity things and so wasn’t inclined to donate any money. But what has come to light has been truly amazing.
No wonder there are cynical people in the world!
As an aside, the name calling and use of language, etc., does seem to obscure many of the points being made.
As to cwebster, that’s weird too.
wow. just weird.
Regret is a good thing, Cindy. It means you have a brain.
She educated Trudy well
Nutmeg’s gotten 6 negative feedbacks in the last couple days…her rating dropped to 95%. Jeezus, what a loser!
http://www.etsy.com/feedback_public.php?user_id=6085558
Unbelievable. Who would still follow this ditch weed smoking thrift store reject clothing wearing lying shilling tree hugging chai sipping dingleberry?
kitten Says:
October 18, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Nutmegclick on Artfire
Welcome to my blog!
Thank you for stopping by my Artfire Studio Blog. I have just settled in, so be sure to check back soon for updates!
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I can’t find a general section at artfire.
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6235600&page=2
well, that was interesting considering the topic of this thread
Those negs aren’t for dresses so more to come. People probably learning about her and daring to leave negs now.
You have to wonder how many people haven’t had their purchases and have been lied to and prevented from leaving fb
One is for more of the Ganges nesting dolls
http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=19182028
If she really had gone to Nepal she should have put her shop on vacation. In fact she did for a short time then re-opened it. If she was away she couldn’t post items sold unless she managed to take everything with her
Those are for purchases before she went anyway
Yes she did notreallysurprised!!!! ha…
I love where she said..”I think some understanding has been created where was not some before with someone…(Well, duh, you know that she meant me!)
Ok..record straight I did not smoke the peace pipe with Nutcase. ..
In fact if you would have read one convo I sent to her it was more or less..You are a liar and a conartist..the Jig is up type thing! Come to think of it that was around the time of her (their Uludag post!) I would look, but OMG don’t make me read those convos again!!!!
but she did imply that it wasn’t my fault…(I did not tell her I had a B.T. , trust me we weren’t that close! )
She searched the web (they searched) it didn’t take long to discover (first thread actually on that day) that I apologized for being snarky because I just found out I had a BT…
Well, low and behold it wasn’t 2 days later that Uludag’s wonderful post comes out with the same Idea..”People with Brain tumors lie and they can’t even help it! ”
Yep, just told my husband I wanted ice cream, but I lied..I wanted a cookie…can’t help myself…you know..
So same person (s) , same idea (s) ….
I would absolutely love to know who are the aunty’s that have remained behind!
Cindy (((Hugs))) you didn’t know…Honestly you were being kind and giving…”If you’re happpy and you know it clap your…I will always hate that song. That was written exactly seconds after the closed thread that I was on!
I think we should welcome with open arms anyone liKe Keala and Blah, and Cindy who was once a supporter and now dropped out..You guys…get over here and get a hug..come on step up…
I posted earlier does anyone know if Drj is still involved from E? I just wondered.
PD I’m still reading you baby cat!
who is Drj?
this is a test… i am having troubles posting
The last I heard about artfire was that Nutcase and supporters were going to open a collective on artfire. I wish I were savy enough with the computer to show artfire all this crap! I can barely cut and paste! Oh, I lied…Dang, just can’t help myself! Help! Trudy
http://www.artfire.com/users/nutmegclick/blog
Here PD… not sure what the general area is, this was from the tab ARTISAN BLOG in her Artfire shop.
Trudy, I’m sure Artfire already knows and they don’t care. They took ShadeJewelry, they have no scrupples.
Their forum is back with a new look. Somebody is rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic and ignoring the iceberg
Is it wrong to want to beat up malnourished hippies?
Ok I did some snooping…drdjc was the Dr. who Nutcase asked to verify that “Vicki” was in the hospita. Remember that night that the NC’s were in the hospital (after my hmmmmm post in their thread) well of course NC was exhausted. and Mr. NC posted information (so throughly…OMG) room number, ID, the whole works!
I could go to India right now and admit 1,000 children..
drdjc came on and verified child was admitted and then Goat Mountain comes on board and states that I think that drdjc was in on the scam too….Well, I didn’t know drdjc from a hole in the head so I said something like…
“I don’t know this is the internet for God’s sake!!!!!”
Well of course I discovered that she is well liked and has had a shop here a long time with 212 100% feedbacks…
We convoed a few times and she is so nice. She did tell me that the only thing that she could tell me was that there was a child admitted to the hospital. She was very open with me.
So I convoed her today and asked if she was still involved and she didn’t answer me…I told her I would never share our information (I would keep that promise..I am very good with secrets)
I just searched for her posts and OMG Good news…OCT 14
“etc. has changed so much since I found my way in there. used to be fun and witty exchanges going on. Now it just seems snarky, horrible and mean. the adia nonsense really did cure me off the etc. addition.
So hugs to you drjdc……welcome to the “Light Bulb Moment group!”
So anyways Goat Mountain comes forward and yells at me
Is designbycassandra an Aunty she is working hard to raise funds. 12 new listings today. Tragic if she doesn’t know what is happening
That goat is worse than I am when it comes to sticking her nose is stuff. The only difference is that she is wrong a lot of the time.
the bottom comment “So anyways Goat Mountain comes forward and yells at me shouldn’t be there.
It was my initial sentence..and then Goat mountain comes on board and states..
I changed the intial one, but I didn’t think she yelled she stated it…instead of deleting it I just clicked it down…
Trudy, where did you read where drdjc wrote that, on the forums or did she tell you that?
designsbycassandra – never heard of her. I feel sorry for her if she doesn’t know any of this….especially if she sends money to nutmeg.
Hey PD the last I heard of Goat she supported Nut Case..Does anyone know if this is true?
Kitten I knew someone would ask me that!!! ha….No it’s on a thread…I’ll be back!
Goat flys off the handle and makes no sense half of the time. She seems to have quite a problem with anger issues. Yep she’s wrong most times too.
drdjc came on and verified child was admitted and then Goat Mountain comes on board and states that I think that drdjc was in on the scam too….Well, I didn’t know drdjc from a hole in the head so I said something like…
“I don’t know this is the internet for God’s sake!!!!!”
Well of course I discovered that she is well liked and has had a shop here a long time with 212 100% feedbacks…
drdjc hasn’t got a shop she is a buyer only
I have a thread where the goat is supporting her.
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6270484&page=120
drdjc is on this blog post of mine
http://pussdaddyblogs.blogspot.com/2009/09/whole-nutmegadia-thing-is-turning-into.html
With that I have had it for a while. You almost hate to leave because there will be so much catching up when you get back.
Girl you owe me…I forgot that i wrote the date of her posting Oct.14…ugh There were 65 pages and I read blah, blah, blah…it seems forever..
IT WAS ON THE LAST PAGE!!!! (how could I have forgotten..ha)
search posts for drdjc top one The LbA Humility Community, Oppurtunity (really it was spelled that way) 12 step OP
kitten Says:
October 18, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Goat flys off the handle and makes no sense half of the time. She seems to have quite a problem with anger issues. Yep she’s wrong most times too.
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It was nice of her to fight that wacko bead seller too. but her blog didn’t make a lick of sense to me.
Yea, the Dr. gave it to me that day! Jeeze all I said was I don’t know who this Dr. is…for God’s sake it’s the internet..
And to be truthful…I didn’t know who she was. All I know is that I went to her shop and didn’t see anything…but if she is done I’m thrilled. I would like to see her post here.
Bye Puss get some rest….Dang…I have spent the entire weekend on this computer…Oh Well, it was worth it! My house is a mess so will leave also…
don’t say anything interesting while we are gone!
pussdaddyblogs Says:
It was nice of her to fight that wacko bead seller too. but her blog didn’t make a lick of sense to me.
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Haha, to me either! Read like the rantings of an madwoman.
You know the old adage (sp) is right !
It does all come out in the wash!!! Man and that is some dirty laundry in that tub!
Trudy where are you getting that drdjc has a shop with feedback of 212
“Well of course I discovered that she is well liked and has had a shop here a long time with 212 100% feedbacks…”
drdjc hasn’t got a shop she is a buyer only unless she has an undisclosed shop which I do not believe she has.
I swear that when I just read the convo she sent me and went I went to her shop it said that…OK back again…ha
My hubby just came to me and said sweetly, ” Oh honey you have promoted your shop all weekend..I hope that it brings you sales!” I just smiled and said, “Me too!” ha…Shop? What shop? ha
OK the feedback that she has is 122 per the thread I posted above!
but on the way I got distracted by…The clap your hand forum ….SweetSexyWhimsy (RareDaisy) restarted it with “marking!” and now everyone is getting snarky!!!!!! ha…worth the time down there to peek..It will be closed soon..
Hippie wants everyone to be nice!
I’m no fan of Nutmeg’s, and what she’s done and how she’s acted, but can we PLEASE leave the name calling out? It really does diminish the very good points that are made.
Thank you.
sally are you talking to me..?
The adiainindia forum is no longer accessible to people who don’t have an account.
Sad. I wonder if this means that all the threads there are readable by everyone?
Given nutmeg’s behaviour, lies, and re-selling, and scams, I think it’s too late for her to hide behind the “auntys”. I hope the “auntys” stop protecting nutmeg…. She’s not worth it, and their reputations won’t survive it.
I have asked if there has been any recent updates on “Adia” but no one has replied. I did not donate to the project but I still want to know does anyone know anything about the baby in the picture with nutmeg? Does anyone know if the poor child is still alive?
Trudy, it wasn’t addressed to you or any one person in particular. Just based on a general observation of this thread.
Some excellent points are being made, and it gets clouded when the name calling enters. That’s all.
Sally Says:
Some excellent points are being made, and it gets clouded when the name calling enters.
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I agree Sally. Sorry if I called anyone any names.
Mary, this is the most recent place I’ve found for Adia’s updates:
http://adiasupdates.blogspot.com/
Thank you Yaya
Chantelle…I do believe reputations will be ruined if they continue to support NM…That’s just the reality of life on Etsy. As I said before I noticed that I was receiving more anonymous hearts than usual in the past month. People were nervous showing their support to me …but Thank God other’s became involved…some right from the get go ( you know who you are)
I feel that my reputation has been salvadged because of PD’s blog…that broke it wide open..and then edc…..It wasn’t as much fun when just a few of us were by ourselves being the mean ones who were going to blamed if a starving baby died!
Mary…The last I heard was that NM posted that she was in a gov’t hospital, but I don’t believe one word that she says…so take it for what it is worth.
Sally…I thought that the posts were good tonight..I really didn’t see anything that would be called name calling. Ok..I’m going to bed………yawn……interesting weekend! Trudy
Is that yet another blog? How does one find the time to have so many blogs going at once?!
Hi all, I’ve been reading this tonight, and just wanted to address a few things that have come up in the 60 or so posts here since I last checked in.
First of all, thanks you, Trudy for your apology–here, and on my edcbyer.wordpress.com “About” page (forgot to disable comments on that one, but am glad to have heard from you, anyway!). I posted a reply in there, but I’ll save you the trip—of course I’ll forgive you for reacting from your gut, and I really, really appreciate how this thread has simmered down, gotten back on track, and is focusing on the issue at hand. It’s much easier on the eyes and frayed emotions to anyone coming in here to read–and a lot more informative as well. So thank you.
The best thing you all can do now is to post in here ‘facts’ or ‘finds’ rather than hearsay or allegations (or worse, gossipy chatter). The reason being, that a lot of “cleansing” is now going on, and although I got the screenshots I needed, many of you have helped by providing links to new websites I didn’t yet know about, or cut/paste of convos or things said in threads where she is contradicting herself, etc. Like the wonderful poster said way upthread—(and I’m borrowing his quote): let’s throw “proof” [evidence] in here, rather than mud.
bedazzled, loved this: “Regret is a good thing, Cindy. It means you have a brain.” The smartest people in the world have been conned. That’s because a con works through the heart, not the brain; it bypasses it—no matter how big your brain happens to be. If you’ve been conned (and who hasn’t?), it’s likely due to the fact that you are a very, very nice person…you don’t suspect in others what you don’t see in yourself, in other words. It is so important to remember that IF indeed this has been a scam, there are many victims here:
1. that used/abused baby in India
2. those who’ve given their $$$ in good faith to help a baby
3. those ‘auntys’ who’ve given their big hearts in good faith to a FRIEND they believed to be in great need
Of all the three, I think that last ‘con’ would be the most personally painful (at least it has been in my life), and scarring. Sadly, we can’t do much for case #1, but if this does play out to be the scam we suspect it to be, then we need to reach out in understanding and healing to the victims in our Etsy family—#2 and #3.
(And BTW, bedazzled, I am taking your hint to heart…loving the teaser.)
Balloon girl is right that this could be a considerable legal issue for the nutmegs; I do have access to an internet security person, and I am continuing to work behind the scenes, though my primary, immediate goal has always been simply to bring awareness on a personal level to other Etsy members. I am still gathering info, and will send on what I round up to whatever agency needs it, but I also want to draw your attention to post #268 above—(the one that caused so much trouble earlier in the day when I kept referring to numbered posts I saw on my screen that didn’t match yours! Sorry, PussDaddy; I know that post# confusion only added to your nervousness, after your fake ID posters on your blog earlier.) Anyway…after two days, post #268 has finally passed moderation and is posted for your viewing as well as mine. It is a contact number/link for the Federal Trade Commission, for anyone who thinks they may have been defrauded online. I believe all you do is click on the link and it’ll lead you through it, if this becomes something important for you to pursue.
And now, it’s time to watch my favorite TV show with the hubs. PussDaddy, I hope you get a good night’s sleep (and keeping the comments off your blog for awhile might help that
). ‘Night all.
Maybe I’m putting too much faith in esty, but I’m sort of expecting that when I get up tomorrow morning and sign on, that nut’s shop will be closed.
On another note, I just checked on my paypal account to view the money I paid nut from a purchase I had made before all this crap hit the fan. It lists her as ‘unverified” Someone please refresh my memory, what does unverified mean? To get verified you need to add a bank account to your paypal account, right? I can’t remember. If you don’t have a bank account in cahoots with your paypal, how do you get at your money? That’s the only way I can get at mine, on what little is left after I spend it.
Maybe she has a check sent to her from paypal? Or maybe it goes into another account?
Is there a secret for reading this blog when you are done posting? I don’t think I’m doing it right,…It shouldn’t be as hard as I am making it! T.
Hmmm, that blog is written by one of the auntys.
im with trudy going to go watch my favorite show now, Yaya I have seen shops being closed after they appear on the ECO blog so who knows maybe Etsy will step in (wishful thinking I know)
What I personally would love to happen is…
all of Nut’s (abbreviating not name calling) shops closed and that ADIA team GONE.
And most importantly, Nut’s supporters to see the light and get out before they’re reputations suffer.
edc..thank you for accepting my apology..You are truly the voice of reason around here.
Yaya UHM I vaguely remember that the reason that NM couldn’t be the the treasure is because she couldn’t get a checking account. (?) so I am sure she is unverified.
shameonyou..if you are still here..or anyone…what is an ECO blog…and where do I find it? I might stay up for that! ha
shameonyou…amen sister!
Really, Shame? I figured the reselling alone would get her kicked off, didn’t realize this blog came into play. Good.
I get the feeling that now that the Adia private forum is really private (can’t see anything at all and I’m not going to sign on or log in there at all), I have the suspicion that Nut came in and fed them a crock of excuses or stories or whathaveyou, and now everything is Aok, they’re just going to conduct all their work privately from now on.
Why else the need to go private? The more questions arise the more underground this group goes. That’s only going to make for the only donators to be themselves. Huzzah.
Trudy, I believe ECO is this blog, etsy call out.
I read the thing yesterday, the other day? that Nut had been on the ECO blog and decided to clarify or change the ninja cropping thing. Hello? didn’t she read anything else here? Wow.
Ha…I didn’t know that I was in the call out blog..ha..I know so little (but oohhh so much!)
I googled ECO on Etsy…and it led me to so many threads and shops on etsy that are Eco friendly…ha..
It gets worse, I read a lot of them thinking I would find her…ha
No one answered my above comment ..when I am done posting here I submit comment…ok…How do I read the next post that comes up! Now this addicted poster is going to bed!
See you tomorrow same time, same station…Trudy
Trudy, after you submit comment, it should bring you back to the blog page; but if it doesn’t, just click on this link:
http://etsycallout.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/questioning-adia-foundationfounders%E2%80%8F/#comment-3702
(bookmark it to favorites) and it will bring you to this particular thread of the ECO blog–the etsycallout.wordpress.com blog…which is what you are reading right now. (I know it’s confusing, as it also goes by Callin’ Out on Etsy in the header.)
Well, where do I start? I am the ‘drdjc’ previously mentioned. I am an Etsy buyer and have supported over seventy artists so far I think. I think my feedback is something like 120 and all positive. I have been involved with Adia in India from very early on in this travesty.
One might credit me with some intelligence as I am a doctor (although many would say that proves nothing!!!!
) I do not know now what is truth and what is not.
The issue of reselling is very troubling. With regards to Adia I did speak to a dr who described to me Adia’s condition and management plan (which was thorough and appropriate) and there have been photos of Adia in the private hospital in Hyderabad on the forum.
All of the etsians who have supported Nutmeg/Adia have done so in absolute good faith. Nutmeg has always had explanations for the questions raised. So it would be very difficult to suddenly decry her and the cause of helping Adia. We were wanting to help, we have faith in human nature and so that has extended to Nutmeg. Perhaps wrongly, perhaps not.
I still do not know what is going on and I want to believe that this is not a scam. However, there are now enough questions that I cannot continue to be a part of it. All this has broken my spirit.
I shall ask you all to give only love and compassion to Adia’s supporters.
I will try and answer any questions I can.
Hi drdjc, thanks so much for posting. Yup, you’re smart, you just have both heart and brains.
I’m so sorry about this situation and the upheaval in everyone’s lives concerning it. We may never know the entire story behind all this, but at least folks KNOW more things, now, and can make their own judgment call.
I can’t hang around right now, but maybe someone else will be by; also, if you’d check back with the thread periodically, that’d be great. I think Trudy was mentioning some questions earlier you might be able to address. Just reading the dialogue between you two would be very helpful, I’d think.
There’s been quite a drop in the Adia listings on etsy tonight. From 70 something to 45. Maybe something went down on the private forum.
Goodnight all, will be back tomorrow to catch up.
Also want to add:Trudy, we’ve never really spoken before but you seem like a kind woman, I’m sorry things went the way they did with this, meaning the nasty replies to you in the forum. You didn’t deserve that at all.
Thank you for your post, drdjc. I know that the people who firsst got invoved and supported nutmeg did so because they really believed in the cause and had big, generous hearts.
Realising and admitting that you also have doubts and questions does take a lot of courage, and I admire you for that.
It’s late here, too, and I’ve just finished a weekend full of horror movies, so I don’t remember all of the questions we have for nutmeg and her supporters.. But I wanted to post anyways and welcome you here with open arms and hugs.
If you or anyone else does want to anonymously tell us what is going on in the super-secret adiainindia forum, especially things about nutmeg’s justifications, I personally would love to see that. I do understand why some wouldn’t feel comfortable doing that, of course.
Thank you drdjc for posting.
I am back for a minute or two. I am still keeping tabs on all this.
The Adia forum is now completely private which makes something or a mockery of it don’t you think. Initially it was where people went to see updates. Now it can only be seen by its 47 members or if you want to see it you have to join.
http://adiainindia.com/forum/
Now does that mean that they are finished and have locked up everything or are they banding together in there and are all going to come out fighting again?
I am taking bets here. Any of your tote money can be sent to me direct. lol
Just for interest.
drdjc at the time Adia was in hospital and being discharged appeared to have contacted the hospital in Hyderabad and had spoken to the doctor who was treating Adia.
There was a posting somewhere about Adia being discharged against drdjc’s advice or wishes or something like that.
Can you honestly see your own doctor contacting another doctor in a country hundreds/thousands of miles away who has been treating a child and has decided that child is well enough to be discharged and questioning their judgement?
To me that does not seem ethical and doesn’t ring true that a doctor would do that to another fellow doctor elsewhere.
Maybe it seems OK to you but if I was that doctor in Hyderabad then I would have been contacting that person’s superiors with a very serious complaint about them.
Apologies drdjc. I missed your posting. Had I read it I would not have posted the above even although it did bother me at the time.
I didn’t realize they had as many as 47 members. I thought the privates were just the auntys.
Thank you for posting drdjc
I have read through the posts now.
drdjc I understand that you took on the Adia thing because you and all the other aunties desperately wanted to help Adia and the fact that Nutmeg was leading this quest was an aside. I have said before that I have nothing but respect and admiration for all of you in this. You gave selflessly to a cause you totally believed in.
Had it not been so blatently posted on Etsy where these kind of things are not allowed then I doubt anyone would have paid much attention to it but as it was, people were flagging Etsy and nothing much was being done which meant that people dug further into the one person who was doing most of the posting and that was Nutmeg.
The more people dug the more s**t came up. Some of it is very relevant and some of it is of no consequence or importance to the Adia case and probably should never have been focused on however there were two very definite camps, the ones who totally supported Nutmeg and the ones who didn’t, Then there were the ones who sat and waited to see what transpired and to see what side to come down on.
The Nutmeg’s nomadic life style means that it is doubtful they could or would stay in one area for very long so unless she could have found someone to permanently look after Adia’s interests, not just weeks and months, but years, then Adia was always going to be on the losing side in this.
Nutmeg has proved that she flits from country to country and area to area with new “causes” and although the aunties only had that Adia’s interests in their hearts it seemed that Nutmeg was less focused. The diluting of funds for Adia by wanting to give to the village in Nepal is proof of that. If her heart had been in Adia’s cause the way yours and the other aunties were then although the village would have been heartbreaking the request for money for that cause would never have even been considered.
I can’t say for definite that this whole thing has been a scam from start to finish and even if it was then the only person actually in on it was Nutmeg herself. The Aunties followed in good faith.
Now it has been proved conclusively to my mind that she is a reseller and there is also evidence of shilling, two of the worst crimes to commit on Etsy. You were all giving money and listing items made by yourselves for the Adia cause and Nutmeg was going to the local market and buying something. That must have been incredibly hurtful to everyone.
Nutmeg has proved herself unworthy of your respect and trust although no doubt she will still be a friend.
I would have liked nothing better than to have been proved totally wrong in all my assumptions but it doesn’t look like that could happen.
At the end of the day the only person to really suffer out of all this is Adia herself which is heartbreaking but I think also would have been inevitable at some stage.
If there is any money left in the account for Adia could you not give it to one of the registered charities asking them to take Adia under their wing?
http://unealouette.blogspot.com/2008_11_01_archive.html
http://www.lulu.com/echojun
http://www.desitwist.com/welcome-introductions/namaste-greetings-7328.html
http://www.alibaba.com/member/in106927838.html
Lexie, to address your previous issue, just so its clear. I spoke to the dr and he detailed Adia condition to me and their treatment plan. The reason we did this was partly to check the appropriate measures were being taken and secondly because according to Nutmeg the hospital was charging daily for all sorts of test, items and services and i could keep try and keep track a bit.
When it was written that Adia was discharged against my wishes, that wasn’t strictly the best wording. Haven spoken to the dr he initally outlined a plan of care that would involve weeks of care. Then quite suddenly after 2-3 days (forgive me I can’t remember exactly) they decided to discharge her. I did try to speak to the dr to ascertain the reason for the sudden change but Nutmeg’s phone wouldn’t work (I was ringing her phone and she was putting the dr on the phone).
I certainly wouldn’t have attempted to undermine the dr clinical decision but the reason for discharge appeared to be because the staff didn’t like Adia’s family being in the hospital. Certainly the hospital would not have normally looked after such a low caste family.
Does all of that clarify what happened?
I understand that ADIA is seriously considering donating any remaining funds to a charity to continue Adia’s care.
Regarding the Nepalese village and your perception that Nutmeg moved from one issue to the next. When ADIA was formed the idea was that ultimately they/we would work to improve the lives of many children through numerous projects. I think this may have been an idea for spreading the work of the foundation. They were trying to nut out if it was appropriate to use funds donated for Adia for other causes and were really beginning to address these issues.
Oh I just re-read my post and there are terrible grammatical errors, oh I really hate that! sorry, my excuse is a severe lack of sleep.
“When it was written that Adia was discharged against my wishes, that wasn’t strictly the best wording.”
drdjc – I wish you had clarified and fixed my summary of the situation if it was not entirely correct. I was just trying to snippet news as I understood it on the site.
I appreciate all that you have done for Adia. It just breaks my heart now to be faced with total uncertainty if we can continue at all.
Blacktear, i honestly didn’t think anything of it at the time and it was only that Lexie raised it that I tried to explain it here. You and i both know so much of all this ugliness has simply been due to a lack of understanding or misunderstanding.
i do feel your pain
((((((((((blacktear))))))))))
drdjc
Thank you for the clarification. That makes much more sense. I couldn’t imagine for a moment one doctor undermining the decision of another but the way it was worded was the way it came over.
I really do appreciate the amount of effort you put into this and although I have been one of the ones who thought it was a skim rather than a scam and tried to show what has now been shown I did it with a heavy heart for you and the rest of the aunties because I knew the time and effort you put into it.
Regarding my saying Nutmeg shifted from one cause to another – I do realise that the intention was to help as many children as possible and that was commendable but… I would have thought that it would have been prudent to prove how effective you were by actually having fully helped one child before going on to another. I am not saying that as any kind of argument but merely an observation that I think many people who were watching the situation develop would have felt too.
Thanks drdjc… I was afraid I did you wrong. ***HUGS***
And thanks Lexie, for continuing to express your thoughts and concerns with respect. I appreciate that.
Yaya thank you so much. Due to my just finding out about my medical condition it was not the best timing that’s for sure!
drdjc…Thank you for responding …I knew that you could answer questions directly and honestly. I appreciate it.
blacktear, I owe you an apology..Words got out of hand the other night and we both got caught up in the heat of the moment.
I am scooting off to work and will sneak in and out today to see what is transpiring and will be thinking of questions to ask.
I would also like to add that people who are involved in humanitarian efforts do so from the bottom of their hearts. I also am sorry that there are so many victims in this scenerio.
It appears that the supporters are the real victims as well as the child who was used by NM for her own financial gain.
My one question and then I will have to go is…Dr. when you said that NM always had explanations for everything didn’t you have serious “uh oh moments along the way?” Her explanations that I read only made me doubt her more.
I only had good intentions when I came to the thread to question why NM refused to allow my friend to meet her in the begging area and did not contact me so that I could notify him that she was going to Hyderabad Hospital.
Did that raise any red flags? Nutmeg continually said that I did not call her yet I made 2 attempts previously to no avail. When she explained not to call her at a certain time I called her at the time she said she would be available and still did not answer.
Lexie you make excellent points. OMG…late for work…Trude
For what it is worth, from what I can recall, I always like drdjc, or at least I don’t remember having any issues with drdjc. She like alot of others were taken in by the scam starving child story put out there by nutjob, but a lot of people were and still are. You know, most of those supporting this cause are doing so because they have a heart, and that is to be admired really. They haven’t read all the stuff that is to the contrary of nutball’s kumbaya child hugging story, some are just now reading it and starting to see the light. Before becoming aware of all this other stuff, in their minds they are helping a starving kid, and anyone who is against this in their minds must be crazy. But you see drdjc reading up on this now and a light bulb slowing going off in her head, and until seeing this enlightening stuff nutsack has kept them busy clapping and singing and dancing around in the forum as a distraction so they don’t get at the truth. You can’t fault people for having a heart and wanting to help. You can only fault them when so much info points to scam and they keep dancing around clapping and kumbaya’ing all over the damn place.
As far as the kid that was stuck in a hospital that drdjc was involved with, as has been pointed out, people rent these kids over there, people pay their parents a few rupees or whatever and they will do what you ask short of killing the kid. If nutbag is paying this family a few rupees to take pics of this kid regularly, I am sure for a few more rupees they would have stuck her in a hospital for as long as it took for drdjc to talk to a doctor, and then most likely she or whatever kid was put in the hospital was jerked out real fast because hospitalization for a long period eats up profits from your scam. Something to think about.
PussDaddy
Also, does drdjc know 100% for sure she was actually talking to a doctor, and not nutball’s husband, who can spin quite a good yarn himself when he wants to? I am just wondering why drdjc feels confident he was talking to an actual doctor. Maybe he was. Maybe he wasn’t.
PussDaddy
“blacktear, I owe you an apology..Words got out of hand the other night and we both got caught up in the heat of the moment.”
Thank you. I did not intend to upset you, and I’m sorry that I did. Perhaps my words were not right – I currently have an abscessed wisdom tooth and it was really flaring when I replying to you :/
drdjc Says:
I did try to speak to the dr to ascertain the reason for the sudden change but Nutmeg’s phone wouldn’t work (I was ringing her phone and she was putting the dr on the phone).
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Unless you called the hospital directly (which obviously isn’t the case here), I highly doubt you can trust you were indeed speaking to an actual doctor.
Does this raise any other eyebrows?
“Unless you called the hospital directly (which obviously isn’t the case here), I highly doubt you can trust you were indeed speaking to an actual doctor.
Does this raise any other eyebrows?”
It’s my experience that doctor’s have their own language when consulting with one another.
I think you may be giving Mr. Nutmeg TOO much credit here…
Pussdaddy, i’m a she
I have spoken to Mr Nutmeg several times on the phone. The dr I spoke to had a strong Indian accent, unlike Mr Nutmeg. He used specific medical lingo and when I asked him questions he responded immediately with appropriate answers. It would have to have been someone with medical training and so I believe it was a dr I was speaking with.
Trudy, honestly, I haven’t had red flag moments. I have lived and worked in a mission hospital in India when I was 15 years of age. I know how bureaucracy works in India (convoluted to say the least). I know how hospitals are severely overstretched. I how how overwhelming the poverty is.
So Nutmeg explaining the hospital’s lack of records, police being uninterested, Adia being admitted under her siblings name, power being out for days at a time etc all could be completely truthful. Call me stupid but I think all that was truthful.
Now the reselling business has me concerned.
I have pulled away because I honestly can’t stand the stress and having my credibility called in question is very serious for me.
I have dedicated my life to helping people both here in Australia and previously in India and Zimbabwe. I can’t jeopardise my reputation.
blacktear is right, we do have a very specific language and the dr spoke it. took me 13 years of uni and post grad study to master it, pretty hard to fake competently and also on your feet.
remember i was asking him questions… no chance to google an answer
ok, it’s midnight here and i really need to try and get some sleep.
i’ll be back in the am
The alleged reselling/nondelivery problems are more troublesome to me than the Adia thing. I believe there really is an Adia, and I really believe nutmeg wanted to help. But if you are overstressed and overstretched with commitments up the yingyang and are neglecting your shop, that’s where something has to change. You are a business, you have to commit yourself wholeheartedly. Although, I think maybe that’s what the problem is-too many half hearted commitments and not enough solid commitments. That’s why I have few commitments, but the one most important to me (outside of family of course) is my shop.
Wow, you people are all fucking unbelievable. Truly.
If you think Nutmeg is breaking the law, call the authorities… Interpol, the FBI, whomever. Discussing conspiracy theories on an internet blog just makes you look daft.
I’m confused as to why some of you are referring to uludag as cwebster? why? I thought cwebster wasn’t even involved in the Adia fundraising.
Seems to me to be a bit silly to bring up another dispute PD is having into this particular matter. What does it even contribute?
wasn’t uludag shown to be nutmeg’s husband?
Confused
Uludag was shown to be a friend of Nutmeg’s, Rahul something, in regards to cwebster you can be sure no one brought that dispute in here he brought himself in here.
His posts are what seems like an attempt to derail attention from the issue being discussed.
So everyone should only reply to the legitimate posts in here and totally ignore anyone not involved.
“I’m confused as to why some of you are referring to uludag as cwebster? why?”
Because they’re retarded. CWebster thinks Nutmeg is annoying, with all her rampant verbosity – something anyone who’s read my replies to her on the forum would immediately pick up on. But facts aren’t important here, clearly.
No, someone way up on this thread said uludag is cwebster, than said they were joking. Somewhere on this thread is a link to one of mr. nutmegs blogs where there is a picture of him in a skirt, this rahul guy posted comments below it and to me he writes NOTHING like uludag… mr. nutmeg writes a lot like uludag though..and has the same birthday too.
I agree, completely ignore the impotent little troll, and do not even type one word to him.
There was never any serious suggestion that Uladag was anyone other than Mr Nutmeg or Nutmeg herself.
“you can be sure no one brought that dispute in here he brought himself in here”
There’s no “dispute,” shameonyou. Pussdaddy’s just riding on my popularity.
I’ve noticed a lot of her old forum posts popping up and getting closed. Wonder if there’s a connection between that and the information here?
JK, someone just decided to be a troll and bring up all of her old posts. Don’t know what good they thought it would do.
CWebster, I truly believe your only intention in posting here is to continue to stir your own personal little shit pot. A “hey guys, look at me” sort of thing.
There are enough posts dedicated to you, and you only. Perhaps you should return and flail around madly there. I don’t recall this post being about you.
None at all Mira, some people are idiots and can’t help themselves
It did appear to inform some people and alert them to recent events so served a purpose even if that wasn’t what was intended
The fact that the old forum posts are being closed could be classed as “clearing out”.
correct me if I’m wrong, but I do believe that closed threads are not searchable on Etsy?
could it be that its part of the “cleaning house” taking place? If so it’s too bad they forgot about the closed threads twitter and blog
i think more are posting than cw to say ‘look at me’. the suggestion that ulu and he are the same was an attention getter with no fact. a disclaimer- i was kidding- many posts down does not do it, nor is it believable. there are enough questions w/o making up issues.
has anyone verified that the dr. is a dr?
drdjc, like PD and lo&Behold, I wonder whether the person you were talking to was a doctor at the hospital, let alone the child’s doctor. I know that the person sounded like a doctor and all, but it’s possible that the person wasn’t in the hospital or even taking care of this child. I know that this sounds like some sort of crazy conspiracy theory… But, sadly, at this point I feel like the rule with the nutmegs is to question everything.
I don’t want to think that the nutmegs would have gone that far so a to spoof a doctor. But it’s hard for me not to be skeptical about everything associated with the nutmegs.
drdjc, did you get the doctor’s name? Could we call the niloufer hospital and talk to this doctor again or make sure that the doctor really existed?
Chantelle
drdjc is a doctor. I trust her and believe what she says. I don’t think there is any point in getting a name or in calling the Niloufer. The doctor probably wouldn’t remember and things have gone past that stage now anyway.
Chantelle, that does sound a bit out there. Let’s not conjur up false theories, and try to focus on the facts. Besides, that’s a moot point.
Lexie, I wasn’t suggesting that we verify what drdjc was told… I was suggesting that we find out whether the person she talked is/was a doctor at the hospital the child was admitted to. You’re right that it would be hard for a doctor to remember the details about one child two months ago.
I believe that drdjc is to be trusted as well. It’s the nutmegs I don’t trust.
I don’t trust them either but even if the hospital was contacted and the doctor spoken to if he didn’t remember the conversation it still wouldn’t prove the Nutmegs liars.
We don’t need to work on suppositions now – there is plenty undisputed evidence, maybe not about Adia herself but certainly about the way the Nutmegs conduct their business and that in itself is enough to cause a very large element of doubt about everything they are associated with.
I don’t think the existence of the doctor is a moot point; it goes towards showing how much of this is a scam.
The whole thing has revolved around the child and her condition.
I’m not the only person who has wondered whether the child exists. If the doctor drdjc spoke to is at that hospital, then it’s more likely that the child does exist and this might not be a total scam. We might not know whether the money went to the child but at least we would have some reasonable certainty that the child exists.
It’s a moot point in that we’ve gone past this and there’s plenty of other issues to raise flags.
I agree with everything you’ve said, Lexie.
Am I foolish to think this is a criminal case? Shouldn’t the police be informed? I’m in the UK and if this was all based here, I’d be asking someone official if they wanted to investigate.
I think even if it was a criminal case it would be very difficult to prove. “I gave 30,000 rupees to some beggars and didn’t get a receipt”. How can you prove otherwise even of you strongly suspect because of lifestyles etc that it is probably untrue?
Also, in the UK and USA things are more legally orientated. In India I get the impression that a lot of the time *anything goes* which is why a lot of scams originate from countries like that.
Absolutely Lexie – but if Nutmeg is American, if Etsy is American, if Nutmeg’s followers are American – maybe the Indian connection isn’t paramount. Maybe it comes under US jurisdiction. I just don’t know how to find out.
Ok…Shameonyou…when you stated that “Uludag was shown to be a friend of NM’s, Rahul…Just wanted to ask you respectfully, did this information come from NM?
Dr. Respectablly speaking, India’s bureaucracy aside, I am disappointed in the fact that the reason that you are not supporting NM and her team is because of the reselling, stress, your credibility and reputation.
I do not consider you a stupid person, but It is difficult for me to wrap my mind around the fact that there is so much information available regarding NM’s character…Stealing from Walmart is ok, the reselling (I know bothers you) the bold lies that she gave to the team regarding my friend and my not calling her. How could you regard you as not being someone who scams?
She wanted me to lie to my contacts about not going to Nepal for a visa? Why? Doesn’t that alone cause red flags?
and as for my friend all lined up set to go to the hospital waiting for contact from me from NM or meeting her at the begging area? I presented facts on the Adia thread that were informative and a concrete time table. I have always been willing to answer any questions posed to me. What explanation could NM ever give that was plausable? Why did she “blow my friend off?”
I know I have asked this, but I have never gotten a clear cut and dry answer. Why is it important? Hundreds of dollars for me out of pocket and a fractured friendship and the first convo from NM stating, “I dont’t want you to think I’m ungrateful, but……and then her running around the hospital looking for my friend who was informed that she was taking the child to a private hospital.
Why would she take the child to a private hospital when I had a respectable Dr. in line to observe the intake process at Hyderabad. She then became angry at me because he did not call her. That possibility had never been mentioned before.
I informed her over and over that he was absolutely non threatening etc. I asked her simple questions that she informed everyone was too personal to answer.
Who would be checking Adia into the hospital?
Under what name?
She had been concerned that the family was placing her at hospitals under false names. He wanted to know the name so that he could match it with the name that was registered.
also they asked me to ask her what charities she had contacted in /and or around Hyderabad.
She had stated that she was continuing to keep in close contact with an advocate that was arranging a date for temporary guardianship…there was an open court date mid Oct)
Simple question….Who was the advocate? She stated in a convo she didn’t know. Which I asked again on the forum so that supporters could kind of put 2 & 2 together the way that myself and others have. drdjc…I would like to ask you what her explanation for that was.
My Dr. friend had a lot at stake too. His reputation at the hospital and a connection that he wanted to protect at all costs.
I know that she is fragmented and disorganized, but if someone is keeping in close contact with an advocate regarding temp. guardianship and discussed a court date wouldn’t you think that she would know the name of the advocate?
Also Dr. last question for now. Do you feel that it is your responsibilty to your Adia friends and supporters to inform them that this could possibly be a scam. You are well respected.
It broke my heart at one time to see such well meaning young people who have a difficult time eeking out a living for themselves donating so much time, money, and energy to this cause…While NMs are possibly traveling and shopping with funds met for Adia. I say possibly because I can not prove it.
I do believe that their reputations are at stake if they continue down this path. They trust and respect you. Do you feel it is your duty to privately discuss your concerns with them…unless you have already done so.
How many supporters are there currently? Thank you Trudy
3rd paragraph down should read…
How could you regard her. (..not you….) as someone who would scam..
Justamazed…I have never once been told or thought that I was an attention seeker. Many of us were getting off track that night. It was a crazy night. I was making a joke albeit a poor one. We were just getting through the night with crazy posts.
Now we are on track….
Mr.NM and Uludag are one in the same..I also read Raul’s post. There are nothing to suggest that it was him. He has quite a distinctive writing style. Trudy
again sigh….There IS (not are)nothing to suggest that it was him. sorry
I thought I read somewhere that someone said uludag was a friend but it may be Mr. Nut.
Sally, I see your point that you’ve gone past this, so it shouldn’t matter if the doctor exists.
I guess I haven’t got past this yet, however. And that’s because I’m still trying to find out the extent of this scam/skim to determine whether or not it’s worth contacting the fbi fraud authorities about this. If there’s a scam there, then this is far beyond etsy and I believe if should be reported. I know that not everyone agrees with me, or with my approach to this. But I do believe that if a wrong has been committed, it should be reported. And I wouldn’t want to just report them without being quite sure, in my own mind, that there’s a scam/fraud case there. It would be malicious and unfair otherwise.
For the record, I very much hope that nutmeg really is justover-committed, that the child exists, and that the worst she’s done is to skim money from the donations.
Pussdaddy’s just riding on my popularity.
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Pussdaddy was always more popular than you. I can’t stand her, but at least I know she wouldn’t lie about actually having sold close to 5 grand worth of goods on Ebay in the last 90 days and then feeding on the sympathy of lonely women for money and candy. And how was that virgin candy?
Fuck all the beggers. No more money. Ever again.
Hi, all. I think if there is any reporting to be done, that that is best left to those who feel they may have been personally defrauded. One contact # (from post 268 above) would be the FTC:
FROM: http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/fraud/internet/#howtodeal
If you think that you’ve been the victim of a fraud scheme that involved the Internet, you can file a complaint online with the Internet Crime Complaint Center, a joint project of the FBI and the National White Collar Crime Center. In addition, you can file complaints about specific types of fraud complaints with the following agenc(y):
• Consumer Fraud: Federal Trade Commission: https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/
Even with the info I have (and I have more research than I’ve gone into here for other people’s privacy reasons), I don’t believe it’s my civic duty to report simple suspicions to an agency, no matter how strong–only to report evidence of wrong doing.
Hi, all. I think if there is any reporting to be done, that that is best left to those who feel they may have been personally defrauded. One contact # (from post 268 above) would be the FTC (google FTC complaint assistant [dot] gov).
Even with the info I have (and I have more research than I’ve gone into here for other people’s privacy reasons), I don’t believe it’s my civic duty to report simple suspicions to an agency, no matter how strong–only to report evidence of wrong doing.
(I posted this with the links, but it got stuck in moderation; didn’t want to wait 2 days for comment to get approved again, so took them out. It may show up again in the thread, sorry.)
orum rubbernecker Says:
Fuck all the beggers. No more money. Ever again.
Noooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m working on my sob story because I am planning a trip to Europe next year and could use some spending money!
I want to be bank rolled too!
I won’t point out the disparity how of one blog post with 141 posts and another one with 294, most all hating on cwebster with some of the unkindest things I have ever seen said about a person points towared his being “popular”. Had I made a blog post loving him and that many showed up loving on him then yeah, maybe that would be being popular.
The only thing I do know is that nutmegclick and her worthless husband are scamming people and using the good people of Etsy to do it. At this point I don’t care if they rent a kid, if they have found a picture on the internet and are using it, or if they are using old pictures of nutball who ran across this kid and took pictures long ago , or they are bribing the parents by flinging a few coins their way. What I do know is they are scammers and this is another method of income for them, as I believe scamming their way through life, as evidence by the subject matter of all of nutsack’s closed threads, is how they survive.
Not for nothin’, CWebster, but if I were the recipient of money from some of the same hens who are freaking out about being scammed here, I’d stay far, far away from this blog post.
Someone mentioned 47 Etsians still supported NM…Is that a true number? Was that posted somewhere?
Are the supporters that were posted on PD blog (and maybe here) board members?
I would like them to come forward also anonymously of course with their thoughts…I hope they are lurking. If we could just change some minds it would have all been worth any of my posts. (I can only speak for myself) Trudy….
Please don’t go down with the sinking ship…You still have time to row to shore.
Back on course
We can probably fairly say we know they resell with flowery made up stories to attract the buyer, the evidence is very strong
We know they are giving very bad customer service at least and possibly lying and cheating some of the customers
We know Nutmeg can’t get her birth date correct and lies about where she is unless she is able to be in two places at once. The only reason for that would be deception
We do not know who uludag is but does it make a difference whether it is Mr. Nutmeg or a close friend possibly Rahul Dhara who was supposed to be taking care of Adia in their absence friends and relations are still shilling when they buy to leave good feedback to counteract any bad feedback
We know from evidence presented that Nutmegs do not stay anywhere or devote themselves to anything for long
We do not know if the Adia story is a scam or a partial scam for Nutmegs benefit we can only conclude it possibly is on the basis of her character and certain aspects of what she has said at different times
Whether the story is true or not does anyone consider Nutmeg a suitable person to send their money to and trust her to spend it wisely and achieve long term benefits
Trudy there were 47 members of their forum
Some of those were undoubtedly there out of curiosity or to spy under alias names
Its wrong to pressure the Doc the way you are doing she isn’t to blame
Notreallysurprised..Thank you..
I am not blaming drdjc…I didn’t mean to come across as a 60 minutes reporter, I’m sorry.
The Dr. did state that she would answer any questions that she could..I guess I took that too lierally.
Again, I know that the Dr. is a wonderful person from what I read in my convos. We have had a few that were very respectful toward each other. I have informed others how I felt about her prior to her coming here to post.
There are just so many unanswered questions that need to be answered. I don’t know who to ask. I have asked NM to no avail I thought that the Dr. would know the answers since she was communicating with her on the phone.
I will apologize to drdjc I know that you are a humanitarian. It took a lot of courage to come here. I am sorry that I came on so strong. I do NOT blame you for anything. I have only respect for you. I just thought you could fill in the blanks.
I do not have anymore questions for you. Those are the only ones that I have. Thank you Trudy
notreallysurprised…I knew that they had 47 members. I was just curious how many they have now. I was hoping that the numbers were declining for their benefit.
Hey all…sorry to post anonymous, but I had some problems recently posting on another blog (bad convos) so wish to protect my name…it’s irrelevant to the discussion anyhow.
I never got involved in the whole Adia thing–just lurked in a lot of threads and have been reading this whole story since it first unfolded…I found the whole thing fishy since the beginning, and never donated any money or time to this “cause”. I never commented in the threads except to “mark” them.
I just wanted to comment with my own story in all this..
In my Etsy profile, it used to read what my husband did for a living (he’s partner in my shop, so the info was there as a way of introducing him), as well as the name of the popular family business.
We received a convo from Nutmeg herself when all of this started–she mentioned that she’d read my profile and thought that we’d make “great supporters” (translation: I think she figured we were rich) and started telling us this whole spiel about Adia, what they hope to do, how much money they need, etc. and asked us to be sponsors.
Wanting to give the benefit of the doubt, we convo’ed her back and asked a few questions to clarify her needs and how sponsorship would work in a case like this since there was no actual founded charity organization as of yet.
She didn’t give much info in return, just said she’d answer us later in-depth as she was travelling.
She said that they have tiered sponsors, and asked us to donate at least $5,000 to be wired as a money-transfer, In return our name would be mentioned on the Aida forums, and we would have the undying gratitude of the children of India. We would also receive a certificate.
We never responded—because her evasisveness of our simple questions rose a bright red flag (not that it wasn’t already there, of course)
I am curious if there has been other reports of Etsians being approached via convos/emails to be a “sponsor” of Aida?
ihatebeinganonymous
I do hope you forwarded that convo to Etsy, if other’s received similar convo’s I hope they forwarded as well.
Confirmed:
Lies
Shilling
Reselling
and now
Spamming
What else does Etsy need?
anonymous…I am speechless…Absolutely positively speechless. Wow! OMG I have nothing to add to shameonyou’s post…I am appalled.
I feel I should alter my name to Now Totally Surprised
ihatebeinganonymous that is incredible
If true, sorry but I have to say that as I haven’t seen the convo, that removes any doubts about sweet shy Nutmeg who had the money almost forced on her by the friends in the forum who wanted to help and claimed not to have asked for money
Did the Auntys encourage her or force her to spam for donations, large donations when they set up their foundation
I doubt it but if any of them are reading a comment would be good
Takes a lot to make Trudy speechless but I can believe that did it
Wow!
I am unaware of Nutmeg soliciting large amounts of money to become a sponsor of Adia. She spoke of possibly having a subscription sponsorship on the forum, but that was not given much discussion at all and certainly NOT large sums like that.
That’s a shocker to me, IHateBeing…
Ihatebeinganonymous, thanks for posting what happened to you. I’m shocked that nutmeg wanted $5000 – that’s a huge amount of money! That definitely sounds fishy. I also wonder how many people nutmeg approached. And I wonder if the auntys knew that nutmeg was doing this. Anyone else know?
I see everyone’s points about reporting nutmeg but I respecfully disagree: I think it’s important for anyone to go forward when wrongdoing has happened. It may be that the victims are unwilling or unable to go forward themselves.
This is just my opinion and I’m not asking or expecting anyone to agree with it. My hope is only that you’ll understand why I request this specific piece of information about whether the doctor was employed by the hospital that day (as well as later requests, if they come up).
I also understand if people don’t want to answer those questions, either because they’re uncomfortable or because they don’t want nutmeg to possibly be reported. Even so, I figure that there is little harm in asking my questions; if I don’t get an answer, that’s ok. I won’t pressure anyone to answer me or anything like that.
Oh for God’ sakes, how could anything she does be shocking anymore. She is even racking up negs now for non delivery, no refund, and no comminication. Some of you are dumber than a box of fucking rocks.
Can someone clarify where it is written that she is in Atlanta but also in India? Thanks.
It says she’s in Atlanta on Artfire and also on a Craigslist ad I ran across while doing some digging.
notreallysurprised…I know I just wrote today’s date on the calender…ha
I am so glad you posted that I hate being anon….You know that you are not the only one..what would the odds of that being so….OMG….I am grabbing a beer. I have to process this. This is some serious stuff here.
Again…No one knows how much has been collected on their end. No idea…from Etsy yes, but
did you all notice…she asked an Etsian to transfer funds via money transfer….hmmm Avoiding the treasurer/ paypal etc.
hate to post…Do you have any idea when that was? I was wondering because of the time line….OMG
IHateBeingAnonymous I am sorry to have to sound like I have doubts and hope you understand that without knowing who you are or seeing evidence we have to proceed cautiously
If Nutmeg did this once there is a good chance she did it more than once. Did anyone donate and would she have mentioned it to the Auntys
IHateBeing mentions a money-transfer which would avoid the paypal and treasurer of the Auntys knowing about it
Are the present items for sale on Etsy being donated to the paypal account and does Nutmeg have the password to access it
Do those sellers know what is happening
Some more serious questions seem in order now
Guessed Puss wouldn’t be speechless
Trudy and I were thinking the same but I stopped to think before typing
Trudy wish I was a drinker right now, share that beer
PD I was shocked because this is the first time that I had read about such a large spam from NM …I have been reading and writing the same stuff since the beginning of this mess..
It was just so new to me!!! Jeeze! Trudy
From what I understand she doesn’t even have a verified paypal account.
” She spoke of possibly having a subscription sponsorship on the forum”
That backs up the claim made by IHateBeing as far as I am concerned
Thank you hmmm
If nutmeg showed up in person in the flesh and confessed some would claim it was an imposter, or a doppelganger, or a fucking zombie.
notsurprised..are you saying I didn’t stop to think ??? ha..”sips beer” “passes beer” I only wish it were a margarita right now!
There are those that doubted me too…what the heck did I have to gain ? As I said I’m still paying for my involvement.
and you know my gut tells me hatebeinganon. is being truthful. I can’t explain it I just do!
Do I believe that NM shared info with supporters about her spamming big time and/or sharing information donated by such means……..Absolutely not! Trudy
OMG!!!! Maybe I was too quick to post this and didn’t look throughly or carefully enough but the ADIA team on Etsy is gone?
http://team.etsy.com/teams.html
Sorry for the late reply—was feeding my daughter.
I didn’t post the above to start any trouble–genuinely curious as to if anyone else had convos like this–if it was the norm that sponsors were being searched out—from some of the replies I see that it was not.
I made it known to her in our first convo when we asked (the unanswered questions) that we (I say “we” but really it’s my husband’s family–merely mine by marriage) do support many charitable organizations and just wanted more info–I didn’t think that was unusual to ask from someone requesting information. Questions like where the money is going, can she provide physical addresses/contact info of herself instead of just general bank info where the money is to be sent, etc. Her response about the teired sponsor system just bypassed all the questions we asked and gave us the suggested amount to contribute.
IHateBeingAnonymous I am sorry to have to sound like I have doubts and hope you understand that without knowing who you are or seeing evidence we have to proceed cautiously
If Nutmeg did this once there is a good chance she did it more than once. Did anyone donate and would she have mentioned it to the Auntys
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I hope that anyone who received such a convo forwarded it to abuse @ etsy. I tend to doubt that such a convo would be received and not reported. And if it was reported, I doubt nutmeg would still be around, I do a lot of abuse reports and they are acted on rather quickly. A large request for money like that would probably result in her being booted in short order. Just a guess based on the swiftness with which the abuse team seems to work (the flagging team could take lessons from them!). I don’t doubt you are telling the truth, but anyone who receives this kind of convo should report it. And even if it was received a while ago, it would still be worth it to report.
IHateBeingAnonymous, have you forwarded that convo to Admin? They need to know this is going on and you have proof!
IHate–I’m not saying I don’t believe you, but did you report it?
“That backs up the claim made by IHateBeing as far as I am concerned”
A HUGE claim like that doesn’t equate to the small subscription sponsorship that I’m aware of and referred to. Sorry, it just doesn’t.
How can one have a subscription sponsorship on the forum when solicitations are not allowed on the forum? Are you talking about the Adia forum? And why is she soliciting through convo when that is a big fricking crime to spam people? Oh, I see, she a nutcase and not aware of the rules. And even if she is aware it is for a good cause. You Aunties better clutch your damn pearls and come to now, or you are going to be laughing stocks.
OK I feel confident saying that the ADIA STREET TEAM HAS BEEN REMOVED from the profile list, so I guess that means it was removed from Etsy.
It restores some faith in Etsy but it shouldn’t have been allowed in the first place.
Her solicitation convo should have been forwarded to Etsy admin.
You are right PD…she has an unverified account because she has no checking account (she once posted) thus the need for a treasure.
I kind of remember her saying that her father-in-law…or someone lives in Atlanta….What is her artfire shop name? Does she actually state that she lives in Atlanta now or from there?
Hmmmmmm
Was the Craig’s list recent? They had been on so many of those sites requesting room and board for all 3 in exchange for …just name it…in exchange for teaching English, cleaning house, sharing art….Every add a different state/country.
Trudy says “and you know my gut tells me hatebeinganon. is being truthful. I can’t explain it I just do! ”
The fact it was discussed as a possibility in the privacy of their forum proves it is either true or hatebeinganon is an insider which seems improbable
My gut feeling is that people wouldn’t report it to Etsy because they would feel too mean to do so with it being “love Nutmeg” and for a poor starving small child in India
It is quite possible some people were so affected by the story that they gave
Did they fly first class to Nepal, no wonder they didn’t go by train this time
Not Really… I still think it’s a stretch.
BlackTear I was definitely not thinking of the amount only the concept of such a scheme being a possibility to the Auntys which IHateBeing could not have been aware of
That doesn’t really prove that it happened based on what I said…. that’s all. I just think it’s a stretch for you to conclude for certain that the claim is real because I mentioned we had brief discussions of the possibility of subscriptions (that didn’t even go anywhere).
If she is claiming to be in Atlanta on Artfire when she is in India or Nepal then she is attempting to deceive potential customers into believing they are purchasing from an American in America and that their purchases will be dispatched within America
If she is in Atlanta – no need to say more
Either way its deceit (more of it)
I know she doesn’t have a verified account because one person trying to get their money back for a reseller dress from her they never got their money back and has talked to paypal and through paypal is well aware that she has an unverified account. Plus didn’t she have some kind of paypal/hate big corporations like paypal thread?
Nutmeg is actually a Nigerian prince, who just found a huge windfall of money that she wants to share with ALL of us.
It’s for reals!
but really..if that convo to “anonymous” IS real… yikes.
I have family in Atlanta.. maybe I should ask if they’ve ever seen her around. haha
I’m just saying someone needs to take a screen shot or go to her shop..to see what she is saying about Atlanta..until she changes it….you know that she is lurking..ok..again I can’t prove it…
artfire shop ooops…I would but I don’t know the name of it.
Here an old thread of Nutmeg’s that was bumped up today and closed. It got pretty heated and Nutmeg was called out as a reseller even back then.
Uludag posted in it, immediately after Nutmeg on this page. I skimmed through it, but caught that Uludag says he from the south…I have no doubt in my mind that this is MisterNutmeg.
Here is that portion of Uludag’s comment….
Designs-I understand (perhaps) where you coming from (Im from the south too so I guess I have more sympathy for what your saying) and yes,it would be best to give them the tools and abilities to make money themselves,but how do you do this in places where even electricity is completely alien to them?
The entire thread link….
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6132639&page=6
shameonyou..didn’t mean to ignore you…I missed it somehow until now!! That is great news! I agree it should have Never been left on Etsy as long as it did…
BlackTear says (that didn’t even go anywhere).
Except to Nutcase
Everyone is lying about her she isn’t a reseller, a shiller, doesn’t treat her customers badly and tell lies, always states accurately where she is and when she was born why don’t you contact the Vatican and nominate her for Sainthood or the Nobel Prize Committee for a few awards
Sorry but you can only defend someone so far even your real life friends who you know
I’ve got to go out soon darn it this is too interesting to miss
Sally Says:
October 19, 2009 at 3:59 pm
IHateBeingAnonymous, have you forwarded that convo to Admin? They need to know this is going on and you have proof!
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Yes it was forwarded.
Trudy Says:
October 19, 2009 at 4:28 pm
artfire shop ooops…I would but I don’t know the name of it.
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Her Artfire shop is called nutmegclick
http://www.artfire.com/users/nutmegclick
I have a newbie twitterer named EtsyDrama tweeting me today asking me why Binding Twine was bumping her threads and getting them locked. I said I don’t even remember seeing this person before (maybe I have and don’t remember), so why they are asking me I have no clue. Then I went on to tweet them tweet by tweet all this crap. They haven’t tweeted me since. Then you have that bird turd lovelandbeads having a hissy fit over this stuff, for instance, and as far as I know she has not involved herself so far except to have a conniption about someone bumping up the threads of a con artist, so I can see why people want to remain anonymous. If it was a recoverybabe thread or a curse filter thread 2 years old they woldn’t complain about that though.
ohhh, same one as Etsy…ok off to check..T
Hey Trudy I have a screen shot if you need it.
I have a screen shot as well.
I’m out for the evening… be well.
i googled binding twine by name and shop name and I feel safe to say there is nothing to indicate that she is linked to the cause at all, perhaps she just wanted to see peoples reactions now that all this information has been brought to light.
I just visited Nut’s website I would link it but I do not want to put you guys through that, too much moving of stuff it made me literally sick to my stomach (not in a gory way, the way it was designed) *ack my eyes!*
ooops I forgot to thank you kitten…How do you tell where the item bought is being shipped from? I read her bio looking for info….OMG shoot me…
Good glad it was reported hatetobeanon !
Puss…You have really gotten the hang of this tweeting stuff. I’m impressed!
Thanks Mary…You keep it..I don’t have a clue how to take one or save one…It’s better in your hands…ha
I love the part in NM’s bio that says….available in large quanities please convo…ha!
NiteBlackTear. Trudy Which shop shame?
Re: nutmeg in the US; at one point I reported to etsy that a number of listings in her shop said that they were shipping from the US while everything else shipped from India. Shortly after that, nutmeg’s shop went into vacation mode and when it reopened the US listings were gone.
If she is claiming to be in Atlanta on Artfire when she is in India or Nepal then she is attempting to deceive potential customers into believing they are purchasing from an American in America and that their purchases will be dispatched within America
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There was a thread in business, a couple of months ago (or more) i believe, where she posted how completey confused and upset she was that people were complaining about the shipping times from India.
Um, she had Chicago listed as her location, and the items were listed as ships from the United States.
Nutmeg’s Etsy shop announcement:
PLEASE NOTE:
September – November is festival season in India! What a magnificent time, full of frolicing and dancing in the streets, great large deities born aloft by their devotees, music and fasting and feasting. This also means the post office has frequent closings, and their workload is higher. Please expect your orders placed during this time to take at least an extra two to three weeks. Thank you for joining the festivities!
AND from her Shop Policies on Shipping:
The standard time-frame for the arrival of a package is 14 business days. This can be somewhat more or less depending upon your exact location, holidays, and similar factors. During festival season in September – November, shipping can and usualy does take upwards of 35 business days.
Don’t miss the PayPal deadline of 45 days people, unless you paid with a credit card.
Would it be far-fetched to that the Nutmegs never left India and are celebrating “Festival Season” on Adia’s dime?
Oh, I’m only on post #663, but Mr. Nutmeg is from Atlanta. If anyone was curious.
IHateBeingAnonymous Says:
October 19, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Sally Says:
October 19, 2009 at 3:59 pm
IHateBeingAnonymous, have you forwarded that convo to Admin? They need to know this is going on and you have proof!
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Yes it was forwarded.
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Unfuckling believable. And people are supposed to sign up and buy on Etsy as if they attempt to provide a safe environment to do so?
Well the bird turd loveland beads seemed to think I sent out Binding Twine to bump this stuff, and raredaisy too, when I called raredaisy ditzydaisydipshit and a dumbass once, so I am not sure how eager she would be to run do shit for me, was my point.
Sorry for the jumbled posts, just got home from work an hour or so and trying to catch up here and there….
One of Nutmeg’s old threads from June that was bumped up today, she mentions that she will be visiting family in the States later this summer and wanted to do some craft fairs while here. What happened to that trip? (Interesting enough, she wanted advice on how to prevent thefts from her booth.)
Hehe, maybe asking so *SHE* knows the tricks for theft deterrent to find ways around them.
Ok, I just glanced over that thread that was closed about the reselling of indinenous crafts. I am now convinced that Uludag is Mr. Nutmeg. The profile, but also the style of writing. I mean, are those two verbose ad nausuem or what?
Without a doubt uludag is Mr. Nutmeg. The NMs are two peas in a pod. Mile long posts full of flowery words and underlying bullshit.
And yes, I do believe Mr. NM is from Atlanta. I don’t remember exactly where this was posted, but here’s a pic of them in Atlanta.
http://www.oursaviouratlanta.org/Events.htm
Trudy Says:
October 19, 2009 at 4:45 pm
ooops I forgot to thank you kitten…How do you tell where the item bought is being shipped from? I read her bio looking for info….
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Um, when you click on the item, scroll down to see the shipping costs. It says there where the item is shipped from.
Seriously? says:
Without a doubt uludag is Mr. Nutmeg. The NMs are two peas in a pod. Mile long posts full of flowery words and underlying bullshit.
And yes, I do believe Mr. NM is from Atlanta. I don’t remember exactly where this was posted, but here’s a pic of them in Atlanta.
http://www.oursaviouratlanta.org/Events.htm
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MisterNutmeg is from Atlanta, I’ve read that numerous times. That is where his church is located.
That was the link of the baptismal announcement that was in EdCBuyer’s post on Etsy.
I am still dizzy from visiting Nut’s website
I will be gone for now but will be returning perhaps tonight or tomorrow.
G’night all
Sally Says:
I mean, are those two verbose ad nausuem or what?
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Nutmeg calls Lark her *wee* daughter and so does Mr. Nutmeg. That’s a bit odd, at least to me, that they both call her wee. It’s like they are speaking in fairytale.
Don’t you guys understand that all her threads about attending craft fairs and having people shop lift at a one of her craft booths are only posted to convince you that she actually handcrafts things?
Ok I know I shouldn’t make fun or be mean, but I feel the need to after what I was put through for visiting her website
http://www.artfire.com/modules.php?name=Shop&op=listing&product_id=386326
1 hour invested to make those earrings, now I am no expert but I think something like that would take 1 minute.
I know it’s mean I am sorry
shameonyou Says:
I am still dizzy from visiting Nut’s website
I will be gone for now but will be returning perhaps tonight or tomorrow.
G’night all
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Does anyone have a link to the website?
Goodnight shameonyou!
I blogged a long time ago that uludag thread and that it was nutmegs husband and the birthdays were the same and that they were shilling.
Kitten
you will be dizzy I warned you…
http://popindia.net
heck after visiting that site you might all return to post flowery verbous posts
im going to wait and see how dizzy kitten gets
Wheeeeee! Madison Wisconsin, too.
http://www.lulu.com/echojun
Kitten, the use of ‘wee’ doesn’t bother me. It’s a maybe a tad eccentric. No harm there.
And yes, PD, I agree with the craft fair representation theory.
She’s from Madison, PD.
PD, yes you did. I see, of course, Etsy has done nothing about it either. Seems plain as day.
Nutters, both of them.
Front Page of PussDaddyBlogs! Huzzah!
She’s from everywhere.
Nite shame, nite kitten
Ohhh such beautiful earrings my 3 year old granddaughter could make those…sigh….What were you put through when you visited her website? Did I say something ? I don’t remember…ha..I lie I can’t help it.
PD…I always pictured her at artfairs selling her sweat shop stuff…You couldn’t miss her sitting there!
Yep crazy stuff in that website…
I noticed it as I sat blissfully sipping my iced chi on my sunny landing as the cream gently dripped from my sun drenched lips!…………….tee hee Trudy
LOL! Yes, she’s from everywhere. Ok. I’ve lived in a lot of places, and traveled to a lot of places, and I don’t see a big problem with that aspect of it.
Granted, there are many, many other things that I DO have a problem with.
Yep…I have a big problem with her stating Atlanta on Artfire and Hyderabad on Etsy! As someone asked , “How can you be in 2 places at the same time?” Trudy….
I’m going off snooping!
i’m finally here, just going to check on a few of my convos and i’ll be back to answer some questions.
Ihatebeinganonymous, maybe you could take a screenshot of that convo and send one to blacktear (auntie) and one to trudy for “both sides” to verify (rather than posting it here). They both have etsy shops so you could convo a screenshot link to them, since there seems to be a few doubts that this convo exists.
I am utterly shocked by the newest revelations. There was NEVER any mention of specifically contacting sellers/etsians to seek donations let alone large sums like that.
All along it has been raised that this is the internet and how can we be sure of what Nutmeg is saying/who I am etc so there is a chance that ihatebeinganon is also possibly not telling the truth. However, this makes me sick to my stomach at the thought that it’s true.
I will tell you i have donated hundreds of dollars, yep naive and trusting. All of it went to nutmeg’s paypal account. The treasurer hasn’t been heard from for weeks and weeks. I have been away on holidays but i think i read that she had a lot on her plate at present.
I assume nutmeg has access for to the money from paypal as the second amount i sent was to help cover the cost of Adia’s stay in Lotus but it didn’t go through until Nutmeg got to Nepal and she was going to use it to be reimbursed for her personal outgoings. I am telling you this as I want it all to be as transparent as possible.
I do look stupid huh. Oh well I’d rather have a trusting heart :/
just going to re read Trudy’s post to answer her questions
oh and also surely Etsy would have acted definitively if Nutmeg had sent a request to someone for $5000???
Hahahaha, I don’t remember where I found the link, but I saw that dancing dizzy web site too.
When all is said and done, in the end, what really matters is that asking people for thousands of dollars of money for a charity cause should not be taking place on a place of business. Period.
drdjc Says:
I assume nutmeg has access for to the money from paypal as the second amount i sent was to help cover the cost of Adia’s stay in Lotus but it didn’t go through until Nutmeg got to Nepal and she was going to use it to be reimbursed for her personal outgoings.
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Nutmeg was going to use your money to be reimbursed for her personal outgoings? What is a personal outgoing?
685. kitten Says:
October 19, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Seriously? says:
Without a doubt uludag is Mr. Nutmeg. The NMs are two peas in a pod. Mile long posts full of flowery words and underlying bullshit.
And yes, I do believe Mr. NM is from Atlanta. I don’t remember exactly where this was posted, but here’s a pic of them in Atlanta.
http://www.oursaviouratlanta.org/Events.htm
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MisterNutmeg is from Atlanta, I’ve read that numerous times. That is where his church is located.
That was the link of the baptismal announcement that was in EdCBuyer’s post on Etsy.
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What is it? The Church Of The Poisoned Mind?
Rahul Dhara is a false name.
http://www.myspace.com/elcidivism
Rahul lists another name “Keith Pellig”
Male
29 years old
ATLANTA, Georgia
United States
Nutmeg’s Artfire shop lists Atlanta as the location.
I think “Uncle Rahul” is an Atlanta friend/partner of Nicholas who was shipping out some of the merchandise they had already imported into the U.S. If that is true then how can he be in Hyderabad looking after Adia?
“Keith Pellig” may also be a false name, because it is a robot character in a Phillip K. Dick novel “SOLAR LOTTERY”
http://www.myspace.com/MonsieurGodot
This is Nicholas, Mr. Nutmeg.
He talks about being on smack.
http://www.myspace.com/ampiphany
This is Nutmeg
Last Login: 10/17/2009
She does have current access to a computer.
Do not feel stupid, DrDjc. A lot of us are here because we trustingly gave too. I know exactly what you are feeling right now, though.
Nutsack’s paypal account is now empty and she cannot refund for reseller dresses people did not receive, drdjc.
Dr. take your time…if others have questions please feel free to put my Nancy Grace interview on hold…ha…
I thought about what to ask you all day at work and I thought, now’s the time since we have you on the line..
Last night I did a search in the forums (it’s been a slow week for me) and found some of nut’s info. She posts a lot and often; well, before now. I’ve dealt with some people in the past who were full of themselves, lied and told tall tales about themselves but Nut takes the cake. I came across posts of hers that she claimed to be an opera singer, a doula, an artist, this and that, been all over the country and world. All by the age of 26 or 29.
Partial life story:
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6217983
A doula:
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6201683
And an interesting one about someone copying her stuff and wholesale:
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6201683
Hmmm.. Says:
October 19, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Do not feel stupid, DrDjc. A lot of us are here because we trustingly gave too. I know exactly what you are feeling right now, though.
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Me too!
The dead give away should be if money has to be wired. How can anyone have a legit charity if they do not even possess a bank account?
Why is my comment awaiting moderation? Because of the links? Argh.
The jist of it:
Last night I did a search in the forums (it’s been a slow week for me) and found some of nut’s info. She posts a lot and often; well, before now. I’ve dealt with some people in the past who were full of themselves, lied and told tall tales about themselves but Nut takes the cake. I came across posts of hers that she claimed to be an opera singer, a doula, an artist, this and that, been all over the country and world. All by the age of 26 or 29.
She also had a thread about someone copying her work and griping about a wholesale order. Do a search for nutmegclick under forum posts. She tells a lot of tales about herself.
I think this bears repeating:
Ihatebeinganonymous, maybe you could take a screenshot of that convo and send one to blacktear (auntie) and one to trudy for “both sides” to verify (rather than posting it here). They both have etsy shops so you could convo a screenshot link to them, since there seems to be a few doubts that this convo exists.
Hmmmmmm everytime I see your name I think it’s hmmmmm
She/He owes me an apology for calling me a sock puppet! In the first post….errrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh…..Never been a sock puppet in my life! My God I used my name in the Aidia thread…In the comeback thread to answer Uludag , PD’s blogs…
Why in God’s name after going through all that would I now post as edcbuyer!!!!
OK vent over!
Dr. do not feel stupid! I stood up and I am glad now, but why did I involve my friend’s husband? Honest to God…What a mess that turned out to be! Trudy…
None of this money went for Adia’s stay anywhere. It went for nutjob and her doofus husband’s stays where ever they went.
Is there any record of how much exactly has been donated? I also thought she was going to start keeping records of where the money went.
drdjc, I am so sorry for you. ((((((hugs))))))
I have been watching this unfold since day one and have always had this sense that the story was false. I am sure there is an Adia. What I do not believe is that one ounce of the funds collected have gone to this cause.
It must be terribly hard to keep up with multiple aliases, blogs, selling venues, etc.
I wonder just how much money has been raised for the Adia cause, or if that information is available? If people are just donating directly to nutmeg, there’s really no way to tell. I have a feeling that the funds raised so far have gone well beyond cost of hospitalization. That is what the funds were being raised for, correct?
When you click on the “donate” link on the adia forum website, where does that money go?
Yaya, you should read my blog post about how she studied toy restoration with a master toy maker to restore a nesting doll, OMG, it is so funny. I think It was my first post here actually.
Trying to address Trudy’s questions…..
“I do not consider you a stupid person, but It is difficult for me to wrap my mind around the fact that there is so much information available regarding NM’s character…Stealing from Walmart is ok, the reselling (I know bothers you) the bold lies that she gave to the team regarding my friend and my not calling her. How could you regard you as not being someone who scams?”
With regards to Nutmegs history and posts on old blogs I gave her the denifite of the doubt. We all do and say stupid things when we are young.
When the whole meeting with your friend came up. Nutmeg came across as frightened, it seemed very genuine. She said to us that you were asking personal questions about why she was going to Nepal, also maybe, when her visa expired? She said you wouldn’t tell her your friends name. I wouldn’t meet with a complete stranger in a foreign country without knowing their name either. She said you had an organisation involved and that they were going to take over the care of Adia.
At the time when all this blew up it seemed that you weren’t able to answer her questions jusst as much as she didn’t seem to answewr yours.
Now, I don’t know. It is all suspicious.
“She wanted me to lie to my contacts about not going to Nepal for a visa? Why? Doesn’t that alone cause red flags?”
Yes, if that’s true, it does cause red flags. But at the time it was raised initally, I was being called out, everyone was angry and distressed and it was hard to think straight.
I know I have asked this, but I have never gotten a clear cut and dry answer. Why is it important? Hundreds of dollars for me out of pocket and a fractured friendship and the first convo from NM stating, “I dont’t want you to think I’m ungrateful, but……and then her running around the hospital looking for my friend who was informed that she was taking the child to a private hospital.
“Why would she take the child to a private hospital when I had a respectable Dr. in line to observe the intake process at Hyderabad. She then became angry at me because he did not call her. That possibility had never been mentioned before.”
Nutmeg said that she took Adia to Nilfouer and that they wouldn’t readmit her. Was your friend at the hospital that day or did he not go in the end because you said Nutmeg hadn’t contacted you?
“She had stated that she was continuing to keep in close contact with an advocate that was arranging a date for temporary guardianship…there was an open court date mid Oct)
Simple question….Who was the advocate? She stated in a convo she didn’t know. Which I asked again on the forum so that supporters could kind of put 2 & 2 together the way that myself and others have. drdjc…I would like to ask you what her explanation for that was.”
Nutmeg didn’t have an explanation for that issue and yes it did nag at the back of my mind. Again though, this came up all in the space of 2 or 3 days, when you asked the question.
“I know that she is fragmented and disorganized, but if someone is keeping in close contact with an advocate regarding temp. guardianship and discussed a court date wouldn’t you think that she would know the name of the advocate?”
yes, she should have
As for it being my responsibility for convincing the other Adia’s Aunties. I feel a bit like you are asking me to go to the local school and tell all the children that Father Christmas isn’t real!
And there lies the crux of the matter. For one reason or another all those who were and are supporting Adia were doing that for a reason. To help Adia, yes absolutely but also perhaps to give more meaning to our lives, to connect with a community of like minded people, to have a project. We all wanted to believe in Adia, in Nutmeg in our ability to help and bring about change. Is that wrong? No absolutely not, did that make us less questioning, maybe.
i adore the friends i have made through this cause and their pain is heartbreaking.
shameonyou Says:
October 19, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Ok I know I shouldn’t make fun or be mean, but I feel the need to after what I was put through for visiting her website
http://www.artfire.com/modules.php?name=Shop&op=listing&product_id=386326
1 hour invested to make those earrings, now I am no expert but I think something like that would take 1 minute.
I know it’s mean I am sorry
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I thought I posted this earlier, but I don’t see it.
She caused a nice crap storm in Business Topics over those earrings. She posted a thread about the difference between hand assembled and handmade. She referred to jewelry makers (those who are not metalsmiths, etc.) as “slappers”…as in, slapping a pendant on a chain. While this is often debated, there was a thread regarding the same thing just prior to hers. I can only assume she was aware that she was going to stir the pot based on her responses there. About a week later, she posted yet another thread and linked those earrings. It was simply a guise to resurrect the drama she caused previously.
No, she didn’t spend much time of those earrings. 10 minutes is probably a generous estimate.
In spite of whatever feelings she has about “slappers” or their place on Etsy, they’re well within Etsy’s TOU. Beats the hell out of reselling.
Has anyone else noticed how she starts many shit stirring threads, walks away and proclaims that she didn’t realize she would upset so many people? I started to avoid her posts like the plague once I realize they were nothing more than attention seeking.
Yes.
I bumped a bunch of old threads.
I’ve done it before.
Never with a topic that got people so fired up.
I felt like an ass afterward.
RobWhite rightfully muted me for a bit.
Nobody sent me, I was bored.
She admitted she was using some of the money for her ‘personal outgoings’? OMG. wjw.
And we know all the money is gone from paypal since it couldn’t cover the refund of product not received.
Wasn’t know it all briaberger or whatever her name is the treasurer? This must be a humbling experience for her.
No I haven’t ever seen an account of the money that has been donated except early on in the story of adia blog where there was a list (maybe outgoings only – i’ll check)
Seriously? Says:
October 19, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Is there any record of how much exactly has been donated? I also thought she was going to start keeping records of where the money went.
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That should have been in place already one would think. What was she going to keep records in? A spiral notebook?
No one will ever, ever know how much money has been and will be collected. One time I googled Adia and man the sites just lit up! List after list…twitter, face book, my space ..all over the place.
again…someone correct me if I am wrong Mr.NM stated that there were between 300-400 supporters. I’ll repeat this again and no one has commented….If each person just donated $10 we are talking thousands…That is just the minimum of $10!
Let’s say $20….that’s I’ll take the number 350..is $7,000!
I am positive that there are those that gave a lot more.
NM told me all of my questions would be answered after the newspaper article came out. How many donations do you think she garnered through the article ? I’m sure not that many in India, but you know that it was sent out to every twitter in town…churches, missionaries, etc…I can see it now…
I can only speculate the money that they have generated.
Someone stated earlier that before she left for China she advertised somewhere does anyone recall where…That cost money….
She went from poor little Indian girl who didn’t have a pot to pee in to traveling, (she told me it was a vacation to go shopping) in China…Flying no less!!!! Comes back with a “full house”….of resell stuff….interesting to say the least.
No one will ever, ever know how much money they have “generated!”
The summary shows outgoings, donations, matched donations(i don’t know what that means). At the end of August there appeared to be $654 US donated
Is anyone else having trouble posting? I’ve posted twice about her earrings and both times the posts have not shown up.
-Sometimes comments get randomly chosen for moderation. Please do not post more than once. I will post it when I see them in the pending box.-ECO
Dr. I will read your response now and will answer…be back t.
The red flags for me really raised when she refused to relinquish control of Adia, saying there were no reputable charities or agencies in India. That all they wanted was big sums of money for new cars, etc. I was shocked that people believed this!
There are many, many reputable agencies in India. People listed pages and pages of them. The Lonely Planet researches the validity of the agencies and organizations they list.
It especially made no sense, since she figured she had to go to Nepal, is planning on moving to China, and has plans to return to the States in the Spring.
Seriously? Says:
Is anyone else having trouble posting? I’ve posted twice about her earrings and both times the posts have not shown up.
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I was having the same problem last night. Now after I hit SUBMIT COMMENT, I place my cursor in the white line at the bottom of the screen. Otherwise it was bringing me to the top and my comment never took. Weird.
Well, I am sorry this happened to all of you. I really am. A handfull of us saw it coming and tried our best to warn you. It wasn’t any easier for us to take the backlash from doing that. A valuable lesson has been learned here. Don’t believe everything you read on the internet-trust your gut-if there seems like there is something wrong there probably is-and only donate to legitimate established charities that you can research and who can give you info on where the money is going.
I have been reading over Nutmeg’s bumped now closed threads and she has mentioned a few times that she has lived in India for years. I thought they just moved there within the last year??
Thanks kitten. I guess I need to keep an eye out. Both posts were fairly lengthy. Too tired to re-type them now.
Why did you think it was only within the last year, kitten? I got the impression it was on & off for the last several years.
When you women get together to gang up on someone you don’t use common sense. Do u? I have been reading all the info posted and in 2days I have a better understanding than some of you. nm is in india or nepal or china or africa she isn’t in the usa I would bet the pot on that. one of the closed thread. at closed threads had her bitchen about Paypal reports to the IRS. so you really think that she would get a $5000 transferred in the states? a federal offense. or pay the taxes on it? It says the usa because she will get more buyers if she is here that’s it. god the crap you think is evidence is ridiculous and you ignore whats in your face. do the aunts know. really haven’t you even read their site? how hard is it just sign up. ok so you can’t get into the private area so what? they are probable talking about you and nm. part of any scam? how many people do you think she would share the money with. one two? not all of them i doubt any of them. If you actually wanted to catch her or get her off etsy you would team up with them. are any of you friendly with them probably not. by the way they made an announcement today but no body caught that instead you are worried about nesting doll thing. All the nesting dolls look the same 30 40 50 today the outside would look the same. its one of the country’s business is fake antiques. They are called fakes because the look like antiques. it proves nothing. she has more than one name come on SHE told you all her names they are in the blogs find one and you see the others what the hell kind of proof is that? one of the stupidest comments =1 hour invested to make those earrings, now I am no expert but I think something like that would take 1 minute./ how many times have i heard i could do that it’s just a photo how long does it take a minute. great job I mean come on a shop is free on artfire i set one up just to check it out. you know what i found out in less than 1 min it’s set only for hours so you put 0 or 1 or 2 and it goes on. no minutes. verified account? oh yeah she is smart she knows that a verified account means that paypal can withdraw or freeze your bank account anytime. that just makes her good at business. you want to find out what the hell is going on instead of bitchen. look into her dad. talk to the aunts she had to get close to them if she wanted to rip them and others off. work to get her off of sites. talk to an antique seller about her stuff most are good enough to say hey something is fishy not hey they look alike. i doubt you even really care except for 3 of you its all about bitchen not the kid, aunts or donors.
Huh? That was only partially coherent.
And ftr, it’s bitchin’…not bitchen.
685. kitten Says:
October 19, 2009 at 5:19 pm
And yes, I do believe Mr. NM is from Atlanta. I don’t remember exactly where this was posted, but here’s a pic of them in Atlanta.
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Yes, I believe he’s from Decatur, Georgia, which is part of the Atlanta metro area. It seems his father is Tim Avirett, a videographer. His dad has many professional links and short videos posted all over the web, mostly how to videos about making things with wood. He seems to be a regular guy, and is not at fault here, of course. I’m not sure this is even useful, but for your info, I’m putting up some links. Maybe he’ll enjoy seeing the views go up on his vids.
http://www.facebook.com/teanatl – you’ll find Mr. Nutmeg and Echo here as friends.
http://www.metacafe.com/channels/teanatl/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/users/profile/teanatl?action=profile
I even ran across a small video that listed Mr. Nutmeg as Assistant Producer, but lost the link.
oh and also surely Etsy would have acted definitively if Nutmeg had sent a request to someone for $5000???
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I think they would, and that’s why I tend to not believe it. I second the thought that a screenshot should be sent to either Trudy or Drj so it can be confirmed. And everyone, regardless of what you think of nutmeg’s ethics, can we please limit the discussion to the care of Adia and the TOU violations? There’s no need for making fun of her products and her looks and stuff.
I have been keeping up with this thread for days..
all I can think now is “Karma’s a bitch” and
they’ll get their come-upins sometime soon.
Oh man do I hope
OMG, dude, chill. Do YOU have evidence to the contrary?
Huh? That was only partially coherent.
And ftr, it’s bitchin’…not bitchen.
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that just proved my point you are so focused on my spelling you missed everything else.
I mean, do you have evidence that everything is kosher? Please share!
no Im saying you don’t have evidence just gossip. but you are missing the point. the aunts would have the evidence the paypal account. look into her dad he is suppose to be famous
No, I read everything every word. Unfortunately, my OCD gets the best of me when I’m faced with one massive run on sentence. Perhaps if you posted something to refute the claims made her by NM, I would have taken your post seriously. Sadly, it can only be added to a list of mindless rants.
what famous person do you know thats not on the internet? that doesnt have a bio with names and history?
So you refute gossip…with gossip?
I’m confused. By drawing her dad into this and claiming he’s famous you have just added to the mess. I don’t believe anything you said has helped one bit.
god no SHE says he is famous some singer. is she on his bio? does he have a daughter? or child? does he have fan email to ask him?
Wow..I absolutely respected your relplies…thank you.I am responding….excellent and yes my heart goes out to all of you.., I guess love is blind (love for a community, a cause, a child) (((Hugs)) We always want to believe the best in people.
Trudy
This thread is getting to long is the problem. It is starting to have posting problems.
I don’t see how the father is relevant to this. In the event he “is” famous, why would she not ask daddy to help support her cause rather than a bunch of strangers on the internet?
Where does she say her father is famous? And how does any of this refute the claims made against Nutmeg?
Nothing is wrong with this site. The moderator responded above (#735), but I think you might have missed it.
“-Sometimes comments get randomly chosen for moderation. Please do not post more than once. I will post it when I see them in the pending box.-ECO”
Oh yes, she has a famous dad. Do you really believe that? Nowhere in that guys biography did it mention he had any kids.
Thanks Lo, I missed that. My posts were a bit off topic, so at least now I know where they went.
Trudy, check your convos.
I think someone needs to see the convo to make certain that it isn’t a troll stirring up the masses.
JackB, yikes! Please, paragraphs and spacing are your friends. Use them.
PD, what biography? Is it posted somewhere here?
IHateBeingAnonymous, why don’t you screenshot this and send it to someone, you can black your name out. That way we will know it is legit. If you don’t want to do that, then I am going to put my blog post in draft until this can be better verified. Damn, typing in here is pure hell.
Her father is Sonny Vincent, punk singer.
And if you actually bother reading Jack B’s post he makes a lot of sense.
The reselling sucks yes. But it was ignorant of anyone to believe it was vintage to begin with. I knew all along and quite frankly didn’t care. I trust her.
She’s just flighty that’s all, and therefore perhaps not equipped to take on something like this.
But she’s not a fraud or malicious. And she’s an anarchist & an artist. But we knew that already too.
I’ve heard nothing that tells me she’s not the person I know her to be. The evidence that is being gathered just corroborates any story she may have told.
This is nothing but speculation and private detective melodrama. You’d be better off watching a soap.
It on wiki. You know though, people posted today that they hate anonymous posters, so I put my blog post in draft until we can get a better grip on this.
I have to say that the $5000. donation request is new to me as well.
not refute. PROVES. do you think some famous singer want someone scamming people using his name? does he have children. If not contact him.
instead you are looking at the little crap she is feeding you. that of course makes you girls look crazy she has different names on the internet. big deal. who here is using their real full name?
there is your space.
Sooooo again…why didn’t daddy assist with the funds needed for Adia’s care?
Frankly, soaps are less interesting. Most writers couldn’t write crap as off the wall as this.
Warning, this contains nudity
http://www.kissjapan.com/personals/echojune
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The reselling sucks yes. But it was ignorant of anyone to believe it was vintage to begin with. I knew all along and quite frankly didn’t care. I trust her.
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You trust someone who lies, who can’t sell on Etsy honestly and has to spin tales to try and fool the public? Someone who has publically announced she doesn’t find stealing wrong and if you can get away with it, more power to you?
You don’t think she is a fraud or malicious… well you’re very trusting and I might add, more than a bit naive.
Another link
http://junelaela.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_archive.html
My blog post is staying in draft until the $5,0000 poster can clarify.
She’s an anarchist. She specifically said she doesn’t take issue with someone stealing from Walmart. IF they need it.
An extremely large corporation, with dubious business sense themselves, ask any anarchist. I’m sure they’d agree.
Besides this was all common knowledge before all of this went down. So who’s naive now?
not refute. PROVES. do you think some famous singer want someone scamming people using his name? does he have children. If not contact him.
instead you are looking at the little crap she is feeding you. that of course makes you girls look crazy she has different names on the internet. big deal. who here is using their real full name?
there is your space.
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PROVES what? This isn’t about him, it’s about her…or did you miss that part? It seems you have overlooked the other allegations made about nutmeg. There’s a lot to read here, but there’s more to this than the aliases.
Jeeze Pussdaddy, where do you find this stuff? lol
There isn’t anything NM isn’t into, well except sports. haha
Can I clarify, one of the donations I sent was to reimburse Nutmeg for the cost of admitting Adia to Lotus. Nutmeg had apparently paid for that out of her own money and then didn’t have much left to get to Nepal for the visa renewal. I sent money to reimburse her out of pocket expenses so she would have money to live in Nepal.
again, stupid? trusting? i wish i knew
I am honestly finding it painful to type in here. It just goes so slow. Is it always like this?
anon Says:
Besides this was all common knowledge before all of this went down. So who’s naive now?
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If you trust her, then obviously you are.
The $5,0000 poster seems to have disappeared.
I’m not having a problem tonight PD. I like that what you type is immediately posted.
the last time she was on the adult site says 2006-07-05 how this has anything to do with anything is a mystery
Hugs for drdjc.
At least you’re smart enough to recognize that puss.
JackB Says:
the last time she was on the adult site says 2006-07-05 how this has anything to do with anything is a mystery
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If you are just here to poo poo anything that is posted as ridiculous, I think the mystery is why you choose to stay.
Trudy, too bad you don’t have a contact link anywhere.
I think anon = Stylesmith. Not that it matters. Just another observation.
drdjc Says:
Can I clarify, one of the donations I sent was to reimburse Nutmeg for the cost of admitting Adia to Lotus. Nutmeg had apparently paid for that out of her own money and then didn’t have much left to get to Nepal for the visa renewal. I sent money to reimburse her out of pocket expenses so she would have money to live in Nepal.
again, stupid? trusting? i wish i knew
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Ohh, I’m so sorry. Not stupid, a very kind friend.
PROVES what? This isn’t about him, it’s about her…or did you miss that part? It seems you have overlooked the other allegations made about nutmeg. There’s a lot to read here, but there’s more to this than the aliases
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if she is using his name to scam people then its about him. no you are missing all this small stuff means nothing. who cares how many sites she is on with the names she gave you. that just proves she is who she says she is. proof that she is not who she says she is. then you prove she is a scam. people get fooled all the time by antiques she could just say I made up the story but I thought they were vintage. that proves nothing.
No. Not stylesmith.
squeakyclean Says:
I think anon = Stylesmith. Not that it matters. Just another observation.
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Oh joy. Sarcastic know-it-alls bore me.
On that cheery note, off to bed.
Nite all, catch you all in the morning.
It’s that kind of stupid speculation that makes me think none of you care about the real issues you’re all just looking for drama.
Ok I’m back…OMG..I got sidetracked by a guy I didn’t know if he was for or against NM? Wow!
Dang..I did write a lot! ugh
My friend’s husband (Dr.) visited Hyberadad and stayed with friends near the University of Hyberadad. He was extremely familiar with the Hospital and had been there often.
He feels extremely comfortable in this setting. The friends that he was staying with became quite interested in Adia’s cause.
His wife(my friend) worked in the US… her husband, and his friends sat around the dining room table with a flip chart tearing each sheet off and taping it to the wall to get to the guts of this story.
They became immediately suspicious as they compared notes, read blogs, read posts, read threads, read closed threads etc.
They googled her and several red flags came up immediately.
They worked on this throughout the night as did my friend.
They did have questions for me to ask NM….They asked me to ask her why she was going to China to get a visa for India?
She then responded what I had posted earlier, “Yikes, if I knew someone “Official ” would be looking at these threads…then asked me lie to them….maybe that is why she was frightened.
They did not ask me when her visa expired.
Dr. I was asked by the Dr. not to give her his name. With all the information that he and his “team” had acquired he did not want her to know him until he verified that the circumstances were legitimate . He had his reputation to protect at the hospital and did not want the hospital involved nor him until he got to the root of it.
As for meeting a stranger in a foreign country?
It was going to be at a safe setting..she was informed over and over that he would be silently observing behind the intake desk pretending to be busy. As I stated , she had stated several times that the family had signed her in by different names each time . He wanted to ensure that this was the child.
The question that he asked me to ask her…
Who was going to be admitting the child? Parents? NM?
He wanted to know these answers up front. He would have identified himself to NM after the process if she needed to discuss this situation with him. I informed her of this over and over…
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Nutmeg said that she took Adia to Nilfouer and that they wouldn’t readmit her. Was your friend at the hospital that day or did he not go in the end because you said Nutmeg hadn’t contacted you?
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After informing NM of my friend’s intentions the last convo that I received from her was that she had decided that she was going to go to a privated hospita!
I was absolutely shocked beyond words!!! I then informed her that if she changed her mind I would be waiting all day (which I did) and did not leave the computer) and then I would put our plan together. Which was contact friend…he scoots to hospital…observes from a distance behind desk…confer with her if she wanted to discuss Adia and arrange for agencies that could assist her.
I never got a convo….He never got a call…His wife kept calling and asking, “Did she get a hold of you yet? Has she called?” By now he had spent an additional 2 days working around the clock on this “dire” circumstance.
The begging area would be the same scenerio….observing from a distance among the crowds…no contact with her. He wanted to ascertain that yes there was a child that was being helped by NM. She was assured this over and over…He and his friends would observe from afar..
She convoed me and again stated that she would not feel comfortable and that she wanted to spend alone time with her.
I will send this and finish the rest.
ya your right i’m here because it is a mystery how you don’t believe her but are doing all you can to help people believe in her. she has used the same 4 names on the internet for years, she tells you all her names, she has links to all her blogs in other blogs, she buys items that could be 20years old or days old, she wanted sex at one point. she travels, how the hell does hurt her or prove that she is a scam artist. If you wanted people to believe you then you would look at the money and if she is really related to the singer sonny.
JackB, where did she use his name to try to scam people? There’s a lot to read here, but I don’t recall seeing anything about who her father may or may not be until you posted it. I don’t see how multiple aliases proves that she is who she says she is?
I think the bigger issue here does not reside with the aliases – although it does put her in a position of questionable character when her erratic behavior has already caused a lot of uncertainty. As do the other things noted here such as shilling and knowingly selling items that are not handmade or vintage on a site that requires them to be so.
“people get fooled all the time by antiques”
Yes, and people are scammed on the internet daily. People often unknowingly donate to causes that prove to be scams. It’s up to those reading this to decide if the questions raised here are enough to cast doubt on her character or the validity of her dealing with Adia.
You haven’t said anything that convinces me this isn’t a scam and no one here has been able to prove that it is. What has happened here is that enough has been brought to light to make me certain I would not trust her with one red cent of my money.
WRT Sonny Vincent, Wikipedia has an entry on him, and it links to an interview with him. There’s a pic of him there, and I can see a family resemblance between him and Nutmeg.
In one of the Adia threads on Etsy, I recall Nutmeg mentioned she could ask him to help with releasing an album to benefit the Adia charity, but I kinda got the feeling they haven’t been in touch in recent years. And she probably never followed through and asked him anyway.
Hugs for drdjc, too.
Jackb, I searched for info on Sonny Vincent’s family last night (because I wanted to see if that was true) but couldn’t find anything.
I’m tired and not reading well, but are you trying to point people in another direction or what?
I don’t think JackB is out to prove this isn’t a scam but just trying to encourage you to dig a bit deeper because the current ‘evidence’ means nothing.
It’s all just speculative. I haven’t seen anything concrete that would say this is without a shadow of a doubt a scam.
WEll, I think we can assume that the $5,000.00 was a troll. Nothing much one can do about that. I will just have to say on my blog that the person cannot or will not provide further info and apologize for the inconvenience. Do I look silly? Sure. But shit happens. Also, nutmeg didn’t look so shy and retiring in the links I left, did she? Also I cannot take posting in here another minute tonight, it is just too slow.
anon, I said essentially the same thing.
“You haven’t said anything that convinces me this isn’t a scam and no one here has been able to prove that it is. What has happened here is that enough has been brought to light to make me certain I would not trust her with one red cent of my money.”
It’s not likely anyone will ever know the truth one way or the other, but there has been enough doubt cast on the overall situation to turn quite a few people away from it entirely.
Yes I agree the advocate issue…that is a tough one to process. Thank you for validating that for me.
I do agree with your position regardng taking on the responsibility of informing the other supporters…
That was a terrible position to put you in. I am sorry.
I do validate also your last paragraph and line. I am sorry..
Sorry for the loss of trust and the doubt that lingers.
I am extremely loyal to my friends. I have 3 that I would bury a body for without questions. I know loyalty…I know how it blinds you to the truth that lays beneath. I am sorry.
Thank you for answering my questions. Do you are any others have any questions for me?
PD, it’s late in many places. Maybe the poster was a troll…maybe not. A lot of folks are in bed already, that doesn’t mean with 100% certainty it was a troll.
yes Chantelle you have it.
I don’t think JackB is out to prove this isn’t a scam but just trying to encourage you to dig a bit deeper because the current ‘evidence’ means nothing.
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thank you anon this is exactly what i am trying to say.
OK no convoes…PD what do you mean when you said your’e sorry I don’t have a link anywhere?
Hatetopostanonymous…please convo me at my shop..
artbytrudy : You can trust me with any information. I will never reveal any information regarding your privacy…I swear to God I will take it to my grave….I will take a lot of secretes to the grave!
I will verify info. and just state that I read it and it was what you had reported earlier….Trudy…
I have to go back and get caught up..
Hello. My name is Summers…and I am an ADIA Aunty. Lol!
I have been following this blog for a while now without posting. So much that has been said, or rather spewed, in this forum has been so incredibly ridiculous, unfounded, and just plain nasty, that I had decided to keep myself out of it. However, because there are some intelligent posters here capable of mature conversation, and some very valid questions being raised, I am now posting.
I am currently on the ADIA board. We are deciding what our next steps will be. We have looked into the account, and we will be deciding the future of the ADIA organization. After these things have been decided I will be resigning from my position on the board. I have already shared my decision with the other board members as well. I am staying now to help deal with things accordingly and to help lighten the work-load of the other Aunties. I feel it is my responsibility to the people I have accepted donations from to do so, and I do not appreciate being accused of stupidity or having my reputation threatened because I am trying to do what is right.
I will not be answering questions regarding Nutmeg here, as I cannot speak for her and I don’t know most of the answers.
I will not speak for the group either, except to say that these are a bunch of big hearted and very caring people, and I do not believe for a second that they deserve to be attacked for their very genuine efforts.
I would like to clarify that Nutmeg’s PayPal account is her own personal account, and no longer attached to ADIA. The funds that were sent to this account in the beginning were forwarded by her to the current account. Also, the amount donated that we are aware of is nowhere near what is being suggested here. I believe the board will be collectively addressing this very soon, and I do not wish to step on any toes by discussing it myself.
HateToBeAnon: I would be extremely interested to see that convo, or even the date. Excuse my not believing much of anything at the moment, but I am learning quickly that there is something to be said for being a bit of a cynic. You can convo me on Etsy any time if you would be willing to discuss it with me.
JackB is bringing up some very real points and I believe some of you are missing them entirely. Is there much reason for question? Yes. Is there actual proof of anything? No. Imagine if this were a courtroom. Most of this would be quite laughable. Can we please focus a bit?
As for shilling, NM posted a convo from Etsy Admin that what she was doing with Uludag was permissible under the TOU’s. As I’m not believing in much at the moment one way or the other, I suppose that could have been fabricated. But would it make any sense that she is still around considering Rob White accused her openly on the forum? I doubt it.
thanks trudy
Ok…I have facts presented from my side Jack not gossip. I’m not saying I haven’t gossiped, but I have concrete facts. I am still paying for them.
I spent hrs. one day reading about Sonny Vincent..Just to see if NM was mentioned. Not one word about family..even under his bio…..God knows…I agree there is a strong resemblance.
But really that’s neither here nor there as far as I’m concerned. He’s a pretty hard core rocker. Pretty colorful person.
But this doesn’t really have anything to do with NM and the child. oooh, but then again it does. Each little detail (is it the truth or a lie) adds up to the totality of the person. Trudy
You are welcome Dr…..(((Hugs))))
An email link is what I meant trudy. A link on a blog, something where someone can contact you. The way you say things sometimes doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Burying bodies for friends? Truth that lies beneath, blindness. Sometimes, or most of the time I wish you could just simply say in plain language what it is you are saying because I know I get tired of trying to decipher it. I am tiring of the whole nutmeg thing really. Deciphering double speak posts doesn’t help any. As far as I am concerned nutmeg is a scammer and I am honestly pretty much ready to leave it at that and call it a day. Have a nice night everyone.
Puss…I’m sorry..I’m laughing..I am so tired of this also..My God! You have no idea…(Oh yes you do) I swear I’ve got a PHD in NM and the child…
Yes, …I was comparing my loyality to my friends to the loyality (sp) that the Dr. had to NM…You know the Dixie Chicks “Good-bye Earl…” I would bury a body for my loyal friends and that the true character behind some is blinded by my love for them…
Jeeze can’t you read my mind!!!! ha
I’m sorry I am so freakin tired….I will let you guys know if I get a convo……Nite…..PD you crack me up! Maybe if I threw in some more cuss words you could understand me better! ha
I admit I am not a Dixie Chick fan and have never heard Goodbye Earl.
Oh PD…You just don’t appreciate my well honed trivia laden drivel in my head that transports itself through the lyrics of my writings..
I’m teasing…I know I get off sometimes…I’m always counting on my friends (when talking to them) to fill in the blanks..ha
and yes, I drive them nuts too….Nite all!
Dixie Chicks rock. And Trudy, I think PD’s point is that with this comment list getting so long, brevity is a good thing.
JackB, you said that the auntys made an update today but I couldn’t find it. Could you post a link for me or describe the update? Thanks.
I do see your point that the stuff unearthed about nutmeg shows that she’s flighty, etc, but doesn’t necessarily show that there is a scam here. That’s why I was curious to know whether or not the doctor drdjc spoke to was a doctor at that hospital at that time.
About the person she claims is her dad – I’ve been looking but he has kept his personal life private, which I actually admire. Even if she’s not Sonny Vincent’s daughter, then that doesn’t prove that the child thing is a scam – it just further proves she plays fast and loose with the truth.
Is that the only other thing to look at, or is there somewhere else? Say, regarding mr nutmeg?
I’m fairly convinced that she and mr nutmeg took at least some of the money herself, but I just don’t know if she’s lying about the existence of the child and/or her efforts to help the child (which for me would be the core of the scam if there is one here).
I sort of have a hard time thinking that nutmeg herself would come up with or do a scam like this – pretending there’s a child or pretending to care for her, while also making up photos and phone calls and stuff. Everything I’ve read that she’s written has been sort of child-like and simple. And I haven’t seen evidence of her scamming people in this way before.
I’m more inclined to think that if there is an actual scam here, mr nutmeg is behind it. To me, his writing indicates more sophistication.
That’s funny, squeakyclean, because I just left a monster comment. oops.
Is it possible to start a new comments page?
I have tried to read through what has been posted since I was last here but haven’t got to the end yet. I will go back later when my eyes recover.
One thing that has come to my attention. Not sticking up for Nutmeg by any means but why is everyone automatically disbelieving every word Nutmeg has said and believing what is said here without any proof whatsoever.
Proof positive that we cannot trust implicitly any of our internet friends regardless how well we think we know them.
If there was a convo asking for $5000 or even $1 then let’s see conclusive proof of it before we all start shouting mega fraud.
It may exist but it seems strange to me that it is only after weeks and weeks of constant posting and publicity that this supposed convo appears, (or doesn’t).
Checking in, briefly. I wouldn’t get derailed about the story about the famous musician father. After Lark was born, Echo and Nicholas took the usual family trip to meet the newborn–first to her family, “le familie”:
http://unealouette.blogspot.com/2008/07/la-famille.html
and then, in August 2008, down to Atlanta, Georgia, for Lark’s baptism, which Tim Avirett (Nicholas’ dad) attended. (That picture is already in the OP). I’m sure the family trips were doubly important because right after the baptism they were leaving the country (also in the OP: blog entry, “Istanbul!” with pictures of the three of them.)
A week after the “we’re here!” picture series was blogged, a media release was sent from Echo June Vincent to Portland news about a major cause they were raising support for (the razing of the Roma people’s homes). They were asked to send support via the dustcastles@gmail address. But old dusty buildings don’t pull the money in the way sad orphan pictures might, I guess, because they move sometime fall of 2008 from Turkey to India; it’s cold in Turkey (see baby Lark all bundled up in those blog pictures…and suddenly, Lark is wearing summer clothes again–they’re in India). There is also the letter Nicholas wrote (the ‘Temple cleaners’ link in the OP) in December 2008, saying they’d “recently moved from the US to [India]” and asking if they could be involved in restoration projects there.
Prior to leaving the States in August 2008, they were in Portland, Oregon (pix of Hindu BAP service, see OP links, and Swami Baba and baby Lark’s head cradled on someone’s arm, who was sitting on the floor).
The varying locations listed for this couple are likely due to fact that they are actively involved in Hindu BAPs, and traveling to the various mandirs worldwide as well as in the states. The headquarters for this organization in the USA is in Chicago; the largest USA Hindu BAP/mandir is in Atlanta, Georgia.
very good point Lexie!
**drdjc-thanks for stopping back, and continuing to fill in some blanks. I’m so, so sorry to have been the bearer of less-than-welcome news in this. The idea of losing of hundreds of dollars is bad enough, but there’s something especially horrible about the thought of someone you think is a friend, and someone you’ve entrusted your heart and dreams to, quite possibly not being at all the friend or visionary you thought they were. I’m so sorry for the strain you and all of the aunties must be under right now.
It’s taken me a few days to read from top to bottom, but I think I’ve been caught up now.
This is all very disheartening, and has rendered me utterly speechless.
I was contacted by a fellow ‘supporter’ (I really don’t feel right referring to ‘Aunties’) about this whole controversy. I was unaware of any of these accusations towards Nutmeg, nor did I really have any contact with her. All of my information for the cause came through another Etsy seller, who will remain anonymous, whom is a trusted friend and fellow artisan. I had purchased two necklaces from her to support ‘Adia’s cause’, feeling relief that I could help this little girl. I had received a message from said Etsian this past Sunday regarding these issues and Nutmeg’s credibility, incredibly apologetic to me that my name had been brought up in this thread. She was incredibly concerned that our names would be ‘dragged through the mud’ for wanting to give a little girl the childhood she deserves.
I had witnessed similar plights of children like ‘Adia’ with my own eyes during my stay in Paraguay, South America, considered a ‘third-world country’. I was selected to participate in an international co-op volunteer program hosted by my high school that would send myself and 17 other students who had spent the summer and first semester of school fundraising $5000 each student for airfare, visas, and donations to AFS Worldwide, a wonderful program that hosts international students doing good works in impoverished countries around the world. I was very lucky to have this experience, to gain a worldly knowledge of another culture; being immersed in language and philosophy of the people, and letting it sink into your bones.
I taught a few classes between grades 3 and 6 in Pilar, Paraguay in the ‘Escuela del Futuro’ (School for Tomorrow). (I can attest to comment #40 where their schoolbooks, posters, charts, and most art supplies in the school were printed on substandard paper.) This wasn’t a private school, and these children were in stable homes, but the school resources were dismal. One computer to a student body of 80; not enough food some days for the cafeteria to feed all the students, so certain grades would be sent home early; and only one teacher who could speak proper English, even though they all attempted to teach it.
And even though they had their own hardships, the Grade 2 class held a ‘donation drop’ every year, where everyone would gather their unused clothes, shoes and outer wear (April to August in Paraguay gets cold!), school and art supplies, medicines, food, and toys for a school just outside the city in the Yucutan district. We had taken a bus ride out for about an hour when we finally arrived to the school, a run-down brick building, with the shabbiest-looking children I had ever seen in my life, like they had walked out of the commercials we flick by every day for World Vision or any other ‘starving child’ commercial we see.
These children were REAL. This is REALLY HAPPENING. They were right in front of me. These children didn’t own shoes. They didn’t eat for three days. They walk or ride livestock along roads and rivers for hours to get to school. They were quiet, reserved, and polite. When we opened the garbage bags and duffel bags full of clothing and toys for them, they stood attentively, and waited for something to be handed to them, rather than dive in themselves. I remember pulling out a Toronto Blue Jays t-shirt, something amongst many things I had donated, stretched it out across a boy’s chest to see it if would fit him. I told him it was a gift to him from Canada, and he thanked me very graciously. I then watched him turn and give it to another boy, after checking it would fit him first. It seemed that boy was in more need of a new shirt; the one he was wearing was threadbare.
This moment will forever be frozen in time for me; how good the human spirit can be, why we can’t keep that in ourselves when we get older.
We had hot chocolate and biscuits, kicked a soccer ball around, and everyone made new friends. I was told when packing for my trip that I should take clothes I wouldn’t care if I left behind. A country like Paraguay isn’t where you’d wear the name brand stuff, if I even owned any. Three-quarters of my suitcase was in that donation pile, and even spent a good deal of my spending money on more art supplies for the kids. I walked away from the school that day barefoot, when I learned a young girl had given her shoes to her little sister after learning she keeps ‘cutting her feet on the gravel’. When I asked her about her own feet, she said that she’s okay, she’ll ‘suffer for her sister if she keeps making me laugh.’
Another moment frozen in time for me. I gave her my shoes. They were a little big, but they didn’t fit like clown shoes, and she’d grow into them just fine. She gave me a very big hug and a very big ‘God bless you.’
To have an experience like this for me, to be touched by how the innocence of children can be ravaged by poverty, cheapened by seeing events and evidence like this unfold rips my heart to shreds. It insults me, because I feel like I had been taken advantage of. My Etsian friend who introduced me to the ’cause’ had a similar experience working with impoverished children, and we felt the plight of ‘Adia’ was worth fighting for. To us, Nutmeg was nothing more than a caring vessel to make sure this little girl was taken care of. To ignore this evidence would be to say that the sky isn’t blue. It’s quite obvious this woman and her supposed partner/friend have not been honest with us, has possibly duped us all, and what is our crime, as ‘Adia’s Aunties’? *yarg* Our big hearts, wanting to make sure this girl was safe.
I never participated on the forums, so there would be no comment made from me. I have made a few blogs about Nutmeg’s blog The Story of Adia, featured her and a few of the other ‘supporters’ in charity blogs, and, yes, I’ve donated by purchasing two necklaces at just under $20 each.
I don’t consider this necklace to be ‘tainted’. I still wear it for the cause of the children that I met in that run-down school in the Yucutan district, with their welcoming smiles and generous hearts to each other, the desire to take care of each other. If all else, I wear it for the children in the world who need a guardian angel like Nutmeg has us believe she was. I know that I did my part for children who needed it, and that’s how I can at least justify the ‘donations’, both by purchase and Etsy listing, on the belief that I was helping a child.
I should have seen some sort of contradiction in her actions when she was pleading for help to fight the Indian courts to win custody of ‘Adia’, then saying that she would be travelling to Nepal and other parts of Asia for the next few months. It made me deeply concerned that she hadn’t left any kind of arrangement for ‘Adia’ to be taken care of in her absense, and made me wonder if this little girl actually existed. My blinders were turned on for the sake of helping this child. There’s no way ANYONE could take advantage of this poor child any more than she’s suffering at the hands of her own family, so we were lead to believe.
I’ve removed the postings for ‘Adia’ in my shop. I am relieved I didn’t sell anything from that particular section, or else I would have felt even more terrible. I’ve made an official statement on my blog regarding my removal of participation for this cause upon the ‘overwhelming controversy’. Nothing too colourful, just polite and civil: http://designbycassandra.blogspot.com
I do have a word for the folks who are patronizing these ‘supporters’: we develop a kind and supportive community on Etsy, where we are all inspired by each other. We depend on feedback and encouragement to know how we can better our brand, our business, ourselves. I think it is unfair to brand these artisans as blind sheep following orders of Hermes playing a shepherd. We all had our right mind about us when we decided to participate, and we all come to our own conclusions when presented with evidence. We’re not all drones connected to a collective hive – we can all think for ourselves.
I’ll answer any questions you have.
This all breaks my heart… it really does. I feel we’ve let people who’ve put up charity listings in good faith, like Cassandra, down. I’m really sorry and I do want to express my sincerest gratitude to everyone who has been supportive – and to those who have decided to withdraw their support, but have done it with love and respect.
The group is currently structuring a public accounting of the collection of monies, both by charity listings and direct donations. Patience while we do this would be greatly appreciated.
Those who supported with their hearts full of love and good karma are exceptional people, and they all were. It’s Nutmeg that needs to issue an apology, but she won’t. I know and have dealt with people like this.
Thank you for sharing your experience Cassandra.
Okay, I’m going to bed. It’s really, REALLY late here, and I have to work tomorrow morning.
Everyone is welcome to convo me at my shop:
http://designbycassandra.etsy.com
And here’s the official ‘press release’ from Design by Cassandra:
http://designbycassandra.blogspot.com/2009/10/news-from-adias-foundation.html
Good night … er, good ‘morning’ to you all … I’ll most likely return eventually.
Thank you for sharing your experience Cassandra.
@squeakyclean
Thank you for reading it!
Off to bed! Mean it!
to begin – let it be known that i have not been silent. i have posted voluminously in the private ADIA forum over the past three weeks, addressing various matters as well as those raised here.
i have not spoken here previously because this is not a rational enquiry by involved parties. this is a public stoning.
here is the financial information regarding Adia’s donations:
$429 USD was sent to my personal paypal according to records as of early august.
there is presently $575 in the ADIA paypal fund (untouched – no money has ever been sent or removed from this account, nor is this account under my name or bank)
i have receipts for $380 for medical expenses (in my and the child’s name).
upon the opening of the adia fund account, transferred the remaining donations from my own account – this is the first deposit in the ADIA fund paypal.
every single DIME of donated money is accounted for.
you are free to disparage my character – but to accuse myself and others of criminal fraud and terrible deeds is not acceptable. the only relevant issue is where the donated funds are – and i have just given you a clear account of them.
this is not a question of my names, or my interests, nor my religion, nor even my etsy shop. anyone who cares to ask about these may do so at the same avenue which has been open since the beginning:
adiasauntys@gmail.com
oh nutmeg…
Thanks so much for the post Nutmeg… I can personally attest to the funds in the ADIA PayPal account – there is $575 plus some odd cents in there in which there has not ever been a debit.
Now, I’m going to bed in tears. The stress of this all has finally hit me like a concrete block.
Goodnight.
No word back from the $5,000 poster huh? Oh well. Well since nutmeg is here, and I know this is a small thing considering, I was wondering if she could tell us why the sewing machine in this listing looks fake, it has no needle and no thread, even though her kid is holding a spool of thread, because people are wondering if this is one of her super ninja crop jobs she was talking about before,
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=29692294
Wow this is a LOT of comments—I think it took me an hour to read everything. Good to see that nutmeg has posted as well. I’ve always been a lurker on the adia forums but see they are private now/register-only? Nutmeg, why?
(not slamming you, just curious why the forums are now member-only?)
Yea there are definately a lot of unanswered questions still.
Wait I’m getting confused now…in the listing PussDaddy mentioned above…the “little baby” it refers to–is this Adia she means or another child altogether? I thought Adia was like 4 or 5 years old?
I have to go to bed now. Please, please, please keep this civil and respectful.
Nutmeg, you are brave
That is nutmeg’s kid. Have you looked any links to familiarize yourself with any of this as there are plenty with her and her kid on them
Also you wonder how one who doesn’t have two dimes to rub together can afford a nanny. Also explain to us why you are not delivering what people order and are getting negged for it, and why there is not money in your paypal account to refund the unhappy buyer that bought the reseller dress that you claimed to be handmade by you on that fake sewing machine that doesn’t even have a needle or thread on it. Also, explaing the whole nesting doll situation, how you took up apprenticeship with a master toy maker to learn to refurbish toy and turned this nesting doll into a completely differnt shaped object than you started with-here is my post again that I made about this when I first got here
In this listing she claims to have restored these vintage nesting dolls, going so far as to say she took up apprenticeship from a master toy maker to be able to do it. Check out the last picture on the right that she wants you to believe restored to new. It will be fucking hilarious to you in just a moment
http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=17632385
Now check out this online shop that is run by nutmegclick and her husband. It actually has his name on it as being run by them and there you can buy hundreds of these same dolls.
The dolls
http://www.alibaba.com/product/in106927838-106468683-0/Wooden_Nesting_dolls.html
His name on it
http://www.alibaba.com/member/in106927838/aboutus.html
http://www.alibaba.com/member/in106927838/contactinfo.html
I said from the get go this whole Adia thing was a scam, and I removed the link from my blog after a few days. People who will go to these lengths to make a few bucks on Etsy will go to greater lengths if more money is involved, or if they think there might be. She used a camera and some flowery writing to list these dolls and make people think they are vintage and she restored them. All she has to do is locate a woman with a starving child in India, they ususally beg in the same area because they know they can make money, and take their picture and make up a story. The woman probably lets her picture be taken because nutmeg is a foriegner and a novelty to them, and maybe she even drops a penny or two on this woman for the privilege. At this point I am not so sure that this child is not being used, and not just by her mother to beg.
Explain why uludag has the same birthday as your husband, shows up on every thread you make to back you up when you are trying to convince people to hand over money to you, and is shilling your account, yet you claim he is not your husband (you do not have to be related to shill by the way)
Tell us why the Aidia In India Foundation team is no longer on Etsy.
If you tell all these lies how are we to believe one word you say?
PussDaddy, I didn’t mean the photo but this line underneath “This listing is to pay for the medical care of a small baby I have met” confused me for a moment–I didn’t know if she meant Adia or if there was another child now as well.
It was the “small baby” part that confused me as I was under the impression Adia was 4 or 5 years old.
Also, explain how you can be in India and in Atlanta at the same time, because you claim to be in India but at artfire it says you are in Atlanta. Also, if this is a legitimate foundation, why is it not set up so that if people ask you send them some kind of info on paper saying how money donated to you is being spent, instead of it just going to a paypal account that you set up and you popping in to say oh we have this many dollars on blog posts and stuff.
And last but not least, explain why you have never taken responsibility or apologized for your husband uludag attacking artbytrudy on that forum thread for having a brain tumor, but instead you more or less attacked her again by making oblique reference to her illness in another thread, blaming her for this confusion, and why your asshole of a husbnad comes to my blog and posts as other people and makes fun of my own illness as well.
to nutmeg:
why now? why are you answering questions now? why not from the outset?
what help has gone to the child?
what proof of this help is there? where is she?
is she in good health?
do you have proof of her physical health status?
who is responsible for her?
Can you at least acknowledge that your behavior has not appeared above board and has caused stress and anxiety to those who were supporters? Can you look at this situation from the perspective of those who were observers that this situation seemed suspicious and at times dishonest?
Do you feel you owe your fellow community of etsy artists an explanation about allegations made regarding your shop?
Explain all your forum threads about begging and squatting and shoplifting, the forum threads designed to prime the pump so to speak that make you seem like a walking saint of charitable virtue that you post that are designed to instill into the minds of people that they should hand over money to you, and last but not least explain why keep posting threads about craft fairs you attended and people shoplifting at your craft booth (which you don’t mind by the way, let’ em have it they must need it) that are designed to make people believe that you actually craft stuff because everything you list on Etsy is not handmade by you, it is mass producece or made by fair trade people. Why all these mind games?
Since you are posting you obviously have access to the intetnet sowe will just hang here for some answers to these questions.
Sorry for typos, I just woke up.
Nutmeg, with all due respect, people don’t want to email questions because anything can be said to anyone in private and then denied later. The questions in public should be answered in public because it’s in everyones best interests (including yours) for many rumors, or exaggerations to be put to rest openly.
If you are totally above-boards in all of this—there’s no need to hide answers from people, is there?
Also a simple yes or no will do quite nicely to answer whether or not you solicited money from people through convos on Etsy. We don’t give a damn about hearing about a public stoning, this can be made a quite rational discussion by you simply answering the fucking questions. It is obsious you and your husband have never been gainfully employed and live by what you can suck out of others, and people on Etsy work hard for what they make and sales come few and far between to hand their money over to support you and your lazy assed husband. So answer the questions and maybe the stoning will stop. Although you and I both know that at least I know what you both are truthfully all about.
People who do not lie, who do not resell, who do not shill, who not have bad listings do not get publically stoned.
will check in again later to see if questions have been addressed.
One more though, how can you go over to artfire when you’ve left a mess of your account on etsy and left customers with no product?
And designedbycassandras lengthy post was nice, but just because there is starving children in a country who are really in need of stuff doesn’t mean that what is being handed over to nutmegclick is being spent on this kid, despite all the chocolate and biscuits and soccer playing that is relative and useful how?
Is the Paypal account with the Adia funds different than the Paypal account that buyers on Etsy have sent their payments to?
That is what is wrong with this shit now, too much chocolate and buscuits and soccer playing and clapping and kumbaya’ing all over the damn place. Stop the extraneous smoke and mirror bullshit and answer the questions in simple unembellished language. Thanks.
Yes, no emailing you like karina said. Why talk to all of us seperately when you can address us all here at once. Your failure to want to comply is probably indicative of the validity of any of this.
She won’t be back, PD. I doubt she will address any of the other questions that have been raised in this thread.
I want to trust that BlackTear has seen the funds and that they are still available in the account. There may be some good to come of this yet if the true intention is to transfer the funds to a different “Adia” account.
“why is it not set up so that if people ask you send them some kind of info on paper saying how money donated to you is being spent”
a) We’re working on it
b) Nobody thus far has asked for a disclosure on paper
“Is the Paypal account with the Adia funds different than the Paypal account that buyers on Etsy have sent their payments to?”
Yes… Nutmeg has her own personal PayPal account connected to her shop.
And last but not fucking least, if the $5,000 poster was not legit, then you are a lowlife, and I sure as hell hope you are not an Etsian, because the people posting these questions are doing so because they care about other Etsians, and not about making an ass of their self by confusing this issue any further just to make the ones who do care appear to be foolish.
Thank you for answering, BlackTear.
WJW was that Nutmeg’s answer and explanation to all this, to all the questions and accusations
She said nothing
email for private answers, the same mantra churned out every time things become difficult. Lock up the forum only answer in private so nobody can piece it all together and word will not spread, damage limitation
I started reading this thread with doubts now I’m convinced that there is more wrong with all this than right, more lies than truth
All we know for sure is that there is a small child shown in some photos who was in hospital once for a short time
Regarding this referring to the person who claimed to have had a request for money
“It may exist but it seems strange to me that it is only after weeks and weeks of constant posting and publicity that this supposed convo appears, (or doesn’t).”
How many people still do not know this blog exists and have not heard anything about all this and never will, delay didn’t mean anything or not hanging around here all night
BlackTear,
Sorry to pester, but I feel I should direct my questions to you since you seem to be at the pulse of this.
- Does Nutmeg have any intention of returning to India to oversee, or at the very least, be involved in following through/following up on Adia’s care?
- Has anyone, other than Nutmeg, made contact with the person she identified as being in India to keep an eye on the situation?
- Is there going to be any verification by any of your foundation members that the funds are in fact going to the child’s care? Or, any type of third party verification? Perhaps someone not directly involved who can, and is willing, to update the child’s status at regular intervals?
I think the best thing for all involved at this stage is to set up a system that allows for full disclosure. Establish a “board” of sorts, and frankly, Nutmeg should not be a part of this board – or at the very least, not a prominent member. I’m not asking that she be removed from the entire situation entirely as she is the main link to Adia, but I believe that if you wish to continue the cause, it would be in the foundation’s best interest to put someone else “in charge” with a process of checks and balances. The information that has been posted here, and that is easily found with a quick Google search, is potentially off putting to anyone who may wish to donate or be involved – that, in and of itself, has proved to be your biggest challenge and will continue to be without someone else who is willing to step forward and lead the pack, so to speak.
Before anyone points out that I am no longer an Etsian so why the hell do I even care, I bought from 2 Etstians this week. one just this morning. Just because I do not support Etsy anymore financially does not mean that I do not support Etsians and what you are trying to accomplish. Wouldn’t you say that is dedicated enough? One thing for sure, I have never asked a one of you for a single dime for anything. Yes I care, and I am sorry it bothers some people. I could be signed up at Artfire, 1000 markets, or just stop buying handmade altogether, but I am not, I am still a part of the Etsy life, like it or not.
And seriously makes a good point-your googable blogs where you are doing drugs and too stoned out of your mind to even post coherently and the one where you are posting for sex with whoever you can find that is willing to climb on board, all of your other blogs where you talk about how it is ok to take from those who have a lot if you have nothing if people just hand it over, and eating the rich, is not really something I look for as a plus when making my decision to donate anywhere.
Lexie Says:
October 19, 2009 at 11:54 pm
I have tried to read through what has been posted since I was last here but haven’t got to the end yet. I will go back later when my eyes recover.
One thing that has come to my attention. Not sticking up for Nutmeg by any means but why is everyone automatically disbelieving every word Nutmeg has said and believing what is said here without any proof whatsoever.
Proof positive that we cannot trust implicitly any of our internet friends regardless how well we think we know them.
If there was a convo asking for $5000 or even $1 then let’s see conclusive proof of it before we all start shouting mega fraud.
It may exist but it seems strange to me that it is only after weeks and weeks of constant posting and publicity that this supposed convo appears, (or doesn’t).
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By the same token why should we just believe anything she says as well if you are so into conclusive proof.
“Does Nutmeg have any intention of returning to India to oversee, or at the very least, be involved in following through/following up on Adia’s care?”
To my knowledge, yes.
“Has anyone, other than Nutmeg, made contact with the person she identified as being in India to keep an eye on the situation?”
Not that I’m a aware of.
“Is there going to be any verification by any of your foundation members that the funds are in fact going to the child’s care? Or, any type of third party verification? Perhaps someone not directly involved who can, and is willing, to update the child’s status at regular intervals?”
We’ll do the best we can. I just don’t have an answer to those questions yet, because I’m not sure how we can do it at this time. But it’s certainly something to consider.
There has been a lot that we’ve had to deal with the past few days and we do not have any concrete answers to anything yet. We are in discussions on the best way to proceed with things. We have stopping asking for donations and contacted sellers who were doing charity listings to take them down until further notice. Honestly, we feel side-swiped by everything that has transpired here and we need to regroup.
Thanks for the advice. I’ll forward it to the board members for consideration and discussion.
Seriously? Says:
October 20, 2009 at 5:19 am
She won’t be back, PD. I doubt she will address any of the other questions that have been raised in this thread.
I want to trust that BlackTear has seen the funds and that they are still available in the account. There may be some good to come of this yet if the true intention is to transfer the funds to a different “Adia” account.
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When people are running several scams and this is what they do for a living it is very easy to shuffle money around to make it appear as if everything is above board. Robbing peter to pay paul, pyramid schemes, whatever ever. The money may be there now, but who the hell knows if it will be tommorow or even next week.
Also, this is why she wants to talk to people individually, or to baffle the aunties on the adia board privately with her bullshit. Even here a bit of chocolate and biscuits, and an accusation of a public stoning is enough for everyone to once again say oh isn’t this great, we all are completely happy that this is all above board. She can’t explain any of this shit publically, but privately she can make you believe anything, because she was able to even make me thing I was villifying her in an email, even though I shook it off in a couple of days.
Well that’s great news that the money is still there. I think World Vision would be a great place to donate any money if you guys are so inclined (you can pick what country you want to donate).
Nutmeg says”this is not a question of my names, or my interests, nor my religion, nor even my etsy shop. ”
I disagree with the etsy shop part. That is how we all know one another. Through etsy. Your shop is an extension of you and when you are selling items that are vintage that actually not you ARE defrauding your customers. I think I probably know what excuse you gave for that but it doesn’t matter you have still lied to your customers.
Thanks for the suggestion Mary.
And what is even more pitiful is that her dirtbag husband, who seems quite handy with pen and paper, sends her ass out to once again answer to all of this and take all the heat for it. What a fucking winner you have there.
I’ve forwarded the info in these comments to several agencies that investigate both internet and charity fraud. Because I didn’t donate directly to this “cause,” I can’t file a direct complaint. However, if you did donate, and you do have questions, please file a complaint. It will start an investigation that might either prove or disprove the truths set out by this foundation.
In a way, I agree with JackB. We can speculate for three million posts here, but until someone with authority steps in who can do a proper investigation of the activities of this charity, then it’s just a lot of talk that will never convince those who are still true believers. It’s wonderful that so much info has been brought to light here, but it’s time to do something with that info.
Because the charity was generated from the US, through etsy out of NY, and the treasurer is US based, I believe this falls under US jurisdiction. Also, I believe that any dollar amount over $350 constitutes felony misrepresentation and fraud. If there’s an admitted $575 in a Paypal account somewhere, then this is an admitted felony if it’s not entirely aboveboard.
Even if there has just been skimming from the funds, the dollar amount pushes it over the felony line.
No one knows the truth except for Nutmeg. I don’t even believe that it was Nutmeg who posted above. Her various posts on forums and here have two distinctly different writing styles. One is full of typos and misspellngs, while the other is much more precise and clean. This indicates two different writers.
However, a government agency that can pull her SSN and do a thorough investigation of this matter, including different identities, paypal accounts, etc., can certainly find more truth than we ever will. And if that agency finds wrongdoing, it can then take steps to at least stop any future wrongdoing, not to mention verifying everyone’s doubts. If it finds no wrongdoing, then the auntys were correct, and this money will help save a child. At least there would be truth, versus rabid speculation and blind faith.
My heart goes out to those who believed, donated and helped. Anytime someone preys on kindness, it makes the world a darker place. We don’t need anymore darkness here.
My best to all for all of the work and energy that has gone into this.
I can’t stomach being called a fraud again.
I got involved to help one fucking little girl.
But whatever… I’ll have the forum all nicely gift-wrapped if anyone comes knocking.
I am glad this is being reported, and to tell you the truth the only reason I did not do it is because I do not want my name attached to this shit in any way whatsoever, not even a positive one. At least not my real name.
Nutmeg you’ve posted your feelings about stealing from big companies and how you’re okay with stealing from them. I don’t agree but I understand your position. Through your shop you are defrauding your PEERS. These people aren’t a big corporation. If you can rip off your peers then what does that say about you?
One of the great things about etsy is the buyer/seller relationship. Your actions and violations along with your horrible feedback speak for themselves. You should be questioned. You no longer have the right to demand respect and complain about a “stoning”. As a seller you are doing your part for wrecking it for everyone else.
However, if you did donate, and you do have questions, please file a complaint. It will start an investigation that might either prove or disprove the truths set out by this foundation.
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Where? I might be interested in doing this.
Nutmeg, if you are reading this- I like you, and I think you did a good thing to help Adia. I am upset, though, about the stuff going on in your shop. I recommend you turn over the Adia stuff to someone less, er, bubble headed, and concentrate on salvaging your shop. Please….contact your customers and make things right. I don’t think you have done anything criminal related to Adia. I really don’t. But your shop is another matter. You cannot take money for goods and not deliver them or not refund the customers. That is against the law.
I think links were left on this thread for reporting, but you may have to look for it.
edcbyer Says:
October 17, 2009 at 10:53 am
@Lexie: Take heart; this one’s not going away. I’m very obsessive when I get irritated.
Also, in case any one is interested…
FROM: http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/fraud/internet/#howtodeal
If you think that you’ve been the victim of a fraud scheme that involved the Internet, you can file a complaint online with the Internet Crime Complaint Center, a joint project of the FBI and the National White Collar Crime Center. In addition, you can file complaints about specific types of fraud complaints with the following agencies:
* Commodities Fraud: Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC)
• Consumer Fraud: Federal Trade Commission: https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/
* Securities Fraud: SEC Enforcement Division Complaint Center or your state securities regulators.
That second one would be the relevant one in this case.
FBI internet crime compliants
BB Wise Giving Alliance
Federal Trade Commission
FBI Tips and Public leads
Google these for reporting info. If I include links, this post will be held up.
Again, I’m not calling anyone a fraud. An investigation will bring out the truth, good or bad. That’s what everyone wants.
Best once more to all of you.
I have some things to say, but not now. I will just tell you that yesterday my online security was compromised. I’ve spoken to my internet security contact, and am busy tending to some things today as a result. I post again when I have more info.
Balloongirl, please continue to post in here any contacts you make, especially if you are contacted by a person within the agency, so that I can send what I have to same person.
Thanks, all.
***POST 268 (or one above or below) has the reporting links, for those who are asking.
BlackTear,
I don’t think you are a fraud, I think you are a victim. Either by virtue of being unknowingly involved in a scam, or simply by your association with the foundation – particularly with Nutmeg.
I don’t fault you for trusting your gut instincts any more than I fault those who have questioned the validity of Nutmeg’s doings/statements about Adia – or any of the other information that has been uncovered and questioned.
Please do post, edcbuyer. I skipped clicking on a couple of links yesterday because too much attention was being drawn to them to be clicked on, although right now I can’t remember which ones they are.
squeakyclean, Oh I know I’ll try to keep my posts shorter.
OK, checked my convos. Nothing.
Going back to read. Trude
Catching up here. Darnit for having to go to work.
“We have stopping asking for donations and contacted sellers who were doing charity listings to take them down until further notice. Honestly, we feel side-swiped by everything that has transpired here and we need to regroup.”
I think this was a wise decision as everything has truly spiraled out of control. I’m not sure it can be fixed, really. I am sorry to you and the Auntys for all of the hardship that this has obviously created you.
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Aliases, blogs, whatever, aside – the most damning piece of this is the Etsy shop.
- Shilling – probable, but still speculation.
- Reselling – probable, but still speculation.
- Funds received from customers and items never sent – the proof is in her feedback.
For me, this alone speaks volumes about Nutmeg’s character – and undoubtedly has tarnished the foundation’s reputation permanently. Those involved with the foundation are sellers/buyers on Etsy. Do we not raise hell when a shop is found to be in violation the TOU? As a seller on Etsy, I expect those with shops to run them professionally and to adhere to the TOU just as I have done. I think we all expect that – buyers and sellers alike.
A person who cannot effectively run a business where funds are sent in exchange for goods, simply cannot be trusted to receive donations on behalf of Adia.
You know, people wish death upon me just for having an opinion and a big mouth. But when presented with lying, shilling, reselling, restored vintage that is not vintage, non-delivery of items, failure to communicate, forcing people to file paypal disputes then having no money to refund, people tripping on drugs on blogs so badly they can’t even type, people on blogs advertising for sex with anyone who is willing, shoplifting, squating, begging, and asking all of you for money, well everyone can still see the good in this person.
There is something just baically fucked up with that. The only thing she hasn’t done is kill kittens.
OMG do you guys really, really believe that was NM? That in no way was her. There is not one sentence that would make me believe this! I have a series of questions that I have posed over at PD blog that I would like her to answer for me.
again, that was not nutmeg. No I’m not speculating. No I’m not gossiping. I am telling you right now THAT WAS NOT NUTMEG! Trudy
and Dr. after all that is said and done here, it takes one post like that for you to say , “Oh nutmeg ” I thought that you had your eyes opened. Now I am confused.
A supporter posted that. I have too many convos and have read too many posts, threads, blogs to ever be confinced that NM is capable of putting down specific clarity like the words expressed.
Sorry, I ain’t buying it!!!!
I didn’t get any series of questions on my blog.
Is somebody here gonna investigate ALL the “donation” based activities on Etsy to make sure they’re valid or is there some reason this one is being singled out?
How bout somebody confirm that the guy asking for rent money on etsy, and getting donations, is actually unemployed and not some lazy bastard out to “scam”.
You wanna play hall-monitor, don’t pick and choose your battles, or you’re just another internet stalker with zero balls, and a huge amount of time to waste looking for your next victim.
I have blogged about the lazy assed guy just like I have nutbag.
You know,
I wrote the person who owns this blog a long time ago and told them that people were posting who were not who they say they are. I wrote twice. I never got a response. So ya know what? I really don’t give a shit anymore, the info is out there, if everyone wants to ignore it and they lose their money that is their choice. At least it won’t be me. I am pretty much done here. Have a nice day everyone.
OK. PD Sept.11th blog post
The Whole Nutmegclic/Adia Thing is Turning Into a Great Big Fiasco.
I responded Sept. 30th and asked specific questions to her. I really am bad at cutting and pasting things everyone. I asked questions that I personally needed answered. Nothing!
eyemohoni. We were asked to keep this respectful. This thread is called calling out. Period. Keep your comments relevant to edcbuyer’s topic. We are discussing NM and the child at the moment.
Me too Puss. Take a break. I’ll be back later. I am getting frustrated. I am tired of people coming on here and saying that they are someone else. sigh
You want it specific to the topic you choose to make relevant by referring to a specific user.
The issue here isn’t the user, it’s the Etsy system that allows unverified “charitable organizations” to do business. You want this kind of activity to stop being abused? Take it up with Etsy.
You people playing detective on the net are hilarious.
eyemohini,
He has his own posts at Closed Threads and on PD’s blog.
I’m not “somebody else”. I’m somebody specific.
Trudy, I didn’t answer it because for one thing I couldn’t find it after I moderated it through. And like I pointed out before, half the time I have no idea what you are talking about. But I will go read it since you just told me where you put it. Plus I did not know you were asking me this, I thought you were asking nutmeg the questions and wanted her to answer on my blog.
I don’t recall referring to who you are or are not eyemohini. I was referrring to them now saying the nutmeg who posted was not nutmeg. We already has someone say cwebster was not cwebster, and that cwebster was nutmegs husband. Is that specific enough for ya?
A world of identities, verified. Not to be found on the internet. Maybe thats the real issue. Believing Google always returns the truth.
Trudy,
How do you KNOW. Is it your gut? Because that’s not KNOWING beyond a shadow of a doubt. That’s your gut.
Unless you have some real proof.
Which brings us back to this scenario. You have no proof just speculation. And your drama queen antics are making you look silly and less and less credible day by day.
The fact that you don’t believe it to be Nutmeg speaks volumes about whether you’ll ever drop it. I doubt she’ll be back because trying to reason with you people is completely futile.
I can’t make any sense out of what you asked me on my blog Trudy. There are several posts full of little dots and thing like “oh, shoot” and stuff and that was why I didn’t answer it.
Jesus Christ, nutmeg posted at lenght on that blog post Trudy, so do you mean I didn’t answer or she didn’t answer you? Do you see why I am confused here?
I want to address something to the Aunties. You are obviously a group of kind, caring people. There are so many charities in your own backyard who would appreciate the time and effort you are willing to donate. Find one where you can see the results of your work first hand. Hospitals need people to rock the babies who have no one else. They need people to read to sick children and the elderly. Homeless shelters need people willing to tutor the children living there. Soup kitchens need people to cook and distribute food. This situation is a mess and I think you have to ask yourselves if you really want your business and personal reputations connected with it. Not to mention, if you have actively solicited donations for this cause and it gets investigated by the authorities, you could be held liable.
If you are going to continue with this case then do the necessary paperwork to become an official charity. If the Nuts don’t allow you to do it – take that as a giant RED FLAG and run! A good charity will have all members willing to follow the law and a board that holds the other board members accountable.
First I did drop it! I dropped it a long time ago. It was only when Edcbuyer wrote his thread that I picked it up again. I have much more going on in my life right now to make this topic the center of my universe. Really.
Why am I still interested? I lost a lot of money trying to arrange a meeting between NM and my friend. I momentarily lost a friendship because of this. I had someone in India running around trying to verify that NM was involved with this child so that he could help her.
If anyone who has read one iota that nutmeg has written thinks that was her, Wow.
PD I did not have questions for you to answer. I directed them to NM. Sorry for the confusion.
PD My posts started Sept. 30th
I have seen EdCBuyer’s references to some sort of religious organization traveling the world that the Nutmegs appear to be connected with and a suggestion they are really raising funds for this – I haven’t checked the links and followed the trail because I am becoming tired of long trails of links with different names and different passions
Is this some sort of cult organization and if so and the Nutmegs are part of it they would very likely be acting under instructions and orders probably highly detailed instructions and could be capable of anything
has anyone verified anything? is drj a real md? is trudy being truthful about sending a dr to the hospital? just because someone says it does not make it true. almost 900 posts and people are taking some people at their word. i have doubts about the accepted truths on this thread as much as nutmeg’s charity.
The shoplifting from big corporations is fair game angers me
Corporations do not lose out to shoplifters its the single Mom and the pensioner who have to pay a little more for everything they buy to make up for the losses that are the ones hurt
Ok, I am straight and I get it now. The way she worded it I thought she meant she sent me questions right now and I didn’t answer. She meant she had sent me questions that nutball didn’t answer and she is right. She never answered.
As it sits now I am still 100% totally convinced that nutball and her husband are running a scam.
i think most people are sure it is a scam, but to convince others, people and comments need to be verified.
Happysnappy.
I believe the supporters are getting their ducks in a row. The problem is their donations are a small piece of the NM/Adia Pie. They are not collecting monies from the other 300-400 supporters that MrNM stated that they had.
On this end they have done the right thing I believe. It is the bigger piece of the pie that is unaccounted for. The monies collected from the NM’s from their many supporters. That could literally be in the thousands.
Again if the Adia team legitimately set this up how many Etsians and others donated. Now subtract that from 300-400 other supporters (and that number was what he gave when the article came out) Where did all those supporters money go to?
I find it difficult to believe that 400 supporters would only generate $600 bucks or so, but that is just me!
On that blog post nutmeg talked forever until Trudy showed up and then she split. Never to be heard from again on that post. Never answering any questions put to her. Nutcase has had ample opportunity to answer questions all over the damn place and hasn’t.
Back to Nutmeg getting mugged by a beggar in nepal and losing everything……Didn’t she post in Etc that she had been mugged or assaulted in a store in India. Then the next day she posted that she had a fight with her husband and he “said awful things and threw the mugging back in her face as if it were her fault”
Is it just me or is she making up more lies to throw people off the trail?
i agree that trudys typing is confusing. could it have been the same between her and nutmeg? maybe she confused nutmeg as to who was meeting her when and where.
dont take this wrong trudy, im sure you are a good person, but your posts are disjointed and hard to understand.
Why the fuck are Auntys and nutbarf fans once again answering for her and why isn’t she doing it herself? Why?
PD, are you saying PD posted on your blog recently? If so, where? Thanks.
eyemohini Says:
Is somebody here gonna investigate ALL the “donation” based activities on Etsy to make sure they’re valid or is there some reason this one is being singled out?
- This one is getting more attention then the others because it was on the etc forums. They allowed it go on far longer then it should have (admin to thank for that) so it has already received special attention before it got here.
You can’t use the excuse “but judge there were others speeding”. If you got caught then your either dumb or unlucky or both. Same applies here.
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How bout somebody confirm that the guy asking for rent money on etsy, and getting donations, is actually unemployed and not some lazy bastard out to “scam”.
- That is discussed on several other sites try pussdaddy’s for one. There you can debate that all you like, she is really good for letting all the comments through and you can make up your own mind about that.
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You wanna play hall-monitor, don’t pick and choose your battles, or you’re just another internet stalker with zero balls, and a huge amount of time to waste looking for your next victim.
- Should we just let this continue? If Nutmeg continues to resell to her customers then I am also responsible if I don’t at least try to so something about it. You are also responsible.
Yep, PD she never came back!
justamazed. I respect your question. If you have seen my bio you will see what I have been doing for the past 30 years.
My character and value system speaks for itself.
The reason I brought up that I was chosen humanitarian of the year in my community (in the closed thread) via the mental health facility that I had worked, was to inform people that I was a good person. I am a good person.
Well, that back fired. Uludag came on with scathing venom. I do not lie. I did this in good faith. My character has never come into question my entire life.
PD… Im answering for myself and BlackTear already said she is answering for herself as well.
We cannot answer for nutmeg.
She wasn’t confused. Because I just read the posts trudy left. They looked confusing because they are long, they read fine. Nutbarf talked to me at length trying to feed me her bullshit, then trudy showed up and nutmeg disappearred immediately. Trudy knows exactly what the hell she is talking about , it was her wording that post she just left that confused me.
You guys don’t find that your typeing is way faster than this damn blog can post it? I can type 15 words before one shows up on the page and it is sheer torture.
Sorry, I was refering to the village idiot posts around 246ish. Looks like there was sarcasm there that I didn’t pick up on.
Based on some of the information here and elsewhere, my theory is that these two clowns got tired of playing around in India. They spent all their money on a bunch of crapola to sell. which didn’t work out so well for them, so they got stuck. They stumbled upon a little beggar child and saw their chance. All of the timing and traveling is just too convenient. These two took what they got from the Adia fund in personal donations and sales from Nutmeg’s shop and flew themselves home to Atlanta. Thus the Artfire shop has Atlanta as it’s location.
All of the name changes and other weirdness only go to show that they were flaky in the past and probably their parents wouldn’t help them anymore, so they were SOL until this little scheme came along.
Even if the money donated directly to the Adia fund is still accounted for, lots of money went to Nutmeg’s personal paypal, including numerous sales of “charity” listings.
Just a theory, but it makes sense.
But we are not discussing you guys we are discussing nutmeg and the legitimacy of this, so what discussing you is doing to clarify things we have no clue. You would be better off telling her to just come talk to us. All you are is a diversion.
Also, I thought about it and decided that $5,000 person may have regretted posting what she did because if she forwarded it to admin then admin will know who she is if and when they read this and my blog and maybe retaliate against her, so she got spooked and didn’t come back.
How is my posting here a diversion??? My name is called into this blog and your blog just as much as Nutmegs!
I have every right to be here and post here and answer what can be answered. We can ask Nutmeg to post but that is her choice… if she chooses not to defend herself that is up to her.
I choose to be here, and as sick as it is making me, I have answered the questions that I know the answers to.
Keala,
Is there somewhere I can contact you off here and off Etsy?
I don’t bite, I promise.
seriously… how would we do that? I sure am not gonna leave my personal email here…
To answer your question not really surprised, the nutmegs are simply a travelling band of wandering gypsies who go all over taking advantage of and scamming people.
Keala, thanks for being here. You’re not a diversion.
Good point…I’ll send you a message on Etsy with my email address. Give me a few, I need to run and get some food before I completely pass out.
Keala of course you have the right to be here. Probably more so then me! I am interested in what you have to say.
PD, I am no longer a fan of Nutmeg’s, but that’s stretch.
skipping. I am not taking your comment the wrong way.
I will try to type so it is less confusing. I am sorry folks. My mother is dying and I have been running back and forth to Ohio, I am just drained.
My convos to NutMeg were purposely succinct. I asked direct questions and conveyed to her exactly what I needed for her to do. She stated that we had miscommunications.
I asked her point blank ” Who is the advocate who is working with you for you to get temporary guardianship? No answer only flowery poetry stuff and that I didn’t understand Indian culture.
I was extremely conscience that I posed these questions and make arrangements with her so as to not waste my friend’s time. I am going back to my convos and look at the last one where she stated that she was taking Adia to a private hospital.
Trudy
TELL YOUR FUCKING SCAMMER LEADER TO COME AND ANSWER THE QUESTIONS LIKE SHE HAS A SET OF FUCKING BALLS!
SHE CAN ASK FOR MONEY SHE CAN ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTIONS. NO ONE WANTS TO TALK TO YOU GUYS.
Thats it. Im done.
We have tried to be resonable and answer as much as we can… truthfully.
Im not gonna take this kind of abuse on or off the internet.
Now theres one less person who will be willing to give you any answers.
Blessings and have a safe week.
Can admin here verify where someone is posting from or is there a way to see where views are coming from?
Ok then, let’ s discuss you. when this shit hits the fan, and it will, who will bear the brunt of it? Nutmeg with her 20 names wandering Katmandu, or all of you who have names and addresses and are easy to find?
Before anyone tells PD to STFU because its none of her business and she has no right to answers I do believe PD was an early donator until she woke up and opened her eyes soon afterward
Keala, you cannot answer, dont’ you get it? nutmeg can.
Jesus. Nutmeg is not going to post here again. Bitching at the people who have likely gotten a half cocked story themselves is counter productive. I believe that the Aunty’s posts have been sincere. I cannot imagine what it is like to be in their shoes right now.
The best we can hope for is that if the funds do exist, they’ll be transferred to an account that can be monitored by a person of trust or that they will be returned to the donors. That the foundation will disband or be able to recover in some manner without Nutmeg.
At this point the only thing I give a rat’s butt about is the people who have been hurt most by this. Those who gave money and time in good faith and have been burned at least in some respect in this.
Nutsack and her husband have bunches of Aidia In India blogs posted all over the internet. I have seen them all over the place. Who knows how much they rake in? Do you? Is ite nough to be a federal fucking offense when shit hits the fan? And if so who is going to be left holding the bag? Do you know for sure what paypal account is hooked up to what site? There are a lot of them. Or how much is in them? Do you know how this shifiting money flow is really working? You guys are active members of this operation, and it has been posted as such on the internet, both on etsy, Adia In India forum, even my blog. When people file charges, her ass will be in bummed fucked Egypt living as Echo Zezo Zadfrack Fuckwad, while all they have to do is contact Ety to find you. Do you care more about your own life, your kids’ life, your husbands’, or this kid you do not even know if she is real? You know, I don’t tell you this to threaten you, I tell you this becasue it may be a reality for you some day.
I keep telling you that we dont’ want to talk to you anyway keala, you insist on being here. So leave. Send us your leader.
I am sorry to hear about your Mom Trudy.
I feel exactly that way, too, Seriously, which is why I have been trying to warn these Auntys for some time now. If I didn’t care I wouldn’t waste my time. Even if it pisses them off, even if they wish I would die, whatever. Yes, I did donate by buying soap.
Mary says:
“This one is getting more attention then the others because it was on the etc forums. They allowed it go on far longer then it should have (admin to thank for that) so it has already received special attention before it got here.
You can’t use the excuse “but judge there were others speeding”. If you got caught then your either dumb or unlucky or both. Same applies here. ”
- Ok, where’s the “ticket” from a person of authority? If you want to use that analogy. So far it’s all speculation and Google searches on the ‘name’ Nutmeg.
“That is discussed on several other sites try pussdaddy’s for one. There you can debate that all you like, she is really good for letting all the comments through and you can make up your own mind about that.”
- I don’t really care wtf is happening with some deadbeat on Etsy. My point was that if these “scams” are important to you, make them important to Etsy. Why form a lynch mob for one person if the system that allowed that person to commit “fraud” is left in place? Attacking a person specifically (namecalling, etc) won’t change anything on Etsy, and isnt that the point of pursuing this?
“Should we just let this continue? If Nutmeg continues to resell to her customers then I am also responsible if I don’t at least try to so something about it. You are also responsible.”
- You’re responsible to and for this topic as much as you want to be. But why are efforts focused on this person instead of focused on Etsy? Honestly, you people resent what you perceive is fraud but you accept and continue to do business with the company that is either (if true) complacent or ignorant to how their business is being used.
I’ll reiterate. Your issues are with Etsy, so stop being scared of the Wizard behind the curtain and go after Etsy in regards to users on its system. And if they’re not doing it fast enough, wheres the morale high ground in staying with a business like that and “witch hunting” single users?
Wow. Well done.
Way to abuse one of the people willing to stick around and put up with this bullshit.
I’m sorry you were treated that way Keala, that was ridiculous.
You’re not doing yourselves any favors abusing everyone who has a counter argument or answers questions.
Again. I really doubt Nutmeg will come back to this lynch mob. And if she did you’re all so convinced she scammed you, you wouldn’t believe her anyway, so why would she bother?
I can almost gaurantee you that not one of these Aunty’s have given a thought as to how this may effect them legally if this turns out badly. If I have accomplished anything, I hope that at least they are now thinking about it.
At least the treasurer was smart enough to split. I hate people who get other people to do their dirty work for them, let alone accept responsibility for it.
eyemohini – I keep checking nutmeg’s shop to see if it is still open. It has been reported to etsy. My opinion is that they probably have to put some serious thought into what they should do, which is a good thing, because it is serious.
If etsy keeps it open then yes I do have a problem with that.
Is that a good enough answer for you?
its very true that Etsy caused this by not closing down threads that were heading in the soliciting direction despite people flagging them repeatedly they lasted days and weeks
Here is one still not locked, I haven’t read right through but at least one post asks where they can donate
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6252975&page=1
They are really slack enforcing their rules unless someone upsets or offends Etsy
I guess. My questions were aimed more at the general populous that continues to fill their time here slandering individuals instead of addressing the system.
Cats are overrated. Fact. I Google’d it.
Throughout the Etsy threads it seemed Nutmeg didn’t want any legal responsibility, she couldn’t receive the donations because she couldn’t get a bank account or something and only has her paypal account because Mr. Nutmeg snr set it up for them
She couldn’t ask Etsy about a team and shop because “they don’t like her”
How many of you Auntys researched the legal ramifications you face should anything go wrong with a fundraising organization on the internet should anything untoward happen, especially when you are an active participant directly involved in the solicitation, collection, and distribution of funds, call yourself a member, and your name is all over it? I sure hope more researched this than research, say, who is responsible to replace lost packages, or who is responsible for paying insurance to mail a package, because from what I have seen a majority of the forum doesn’t even know that. If you researched it please post that you have. Thanks.
thank you PD, It’s been rough
I just waded through my convos
This is from nutmeg:
“First off , please don’t take this the wrong way, but i’m getting,i’m getting terribly afraid that one of the social services agencies or people associated with the hospital are going to scoop Adia up, she’ll get lost in the labyrine red tape, and i’ll never see or hear anything of her again.
Am I going to be ambushed by some shady goup and end up getting hurt somehow? ”
I assured her that his wasn’t going to happen. That as long as this was on the up and up and that there was a child and she was assisting her that she had nothing to worry about!
Also when asked why she didn’t meet my friend as planned she reponded angrily, “I figured he’d call me if he needed to!”
Him calling her was never the plan!
The only questions she kept asking me that I did not answer was what was my friend’s name.
One of my dr friends sitting around the brainstorming was affiliated with an agency that could possibly assist her. She became extremely paranoid and insisted asking me the name of this agency. I did not know. I just informed her very nicely to answer questions honestly when asked once the child was verified upon admittance at the hosp. They just wanted to ensure that the proper channels needed to be put into place to get care for Adia.
That’s what prompted the aforementioned convo above by NM
I wouldn’t worry too much, my friend who just got out, she said prison wasn’t all that bad and some days she wishes she was back in .
HOLY HELL.
You know, we are hearing your freaking concerns and are trying to make things right… but IT CAN”T BE DONE if members are leaving due to being cyber-bullied/abused!! LAY THE FUCK OFF and let us at least attempt to rectify the situation!!! Meaning, ADIA as a group and NOT Nutmeg as a seller on Etsy!
As I’ve said before, it’s NOT JUST ABOUT NUTMEG – we have the most loving, caring people on the board who are just trying to take accountability for ADIA and the monies that have been collected.
I know you all want Nutmeg, but we can’t force her to post! She is solely responsible for the allegations against her Etsy Shop and business practises. And it’s her choice to post or not.
See, I would never do something like this willy nilly. I would not just raise my hand and volunteer for something like this, especially when the person seemed shady to begin with, like with her shop, unless I was sure of the legalities first. And because I am careful, and think about things, and don’t go off half cocked, my ass has never been arrested.
So you expected her to meet a nameless person in a foreign country and she didn’t?
You expected her to work with a nameless agency and she didn’t?
I think the onus here is on you Trudy, however innocent your intentions may have been.
Old nutsack is pretty smart though, she even has you guys doing all the fronting for her when it comes to leaving an internet trail such as pimping this scam.
Yeah, I did expect her to meet him. She doesn’t mind meeting people here.
http://www.kissjapan.com/personals/echojune
Ah puss please stop posting that.
Please
Please
Please
I do get your point though
If she will meet complete strangers for sex, why wouldn’t she meet someone to help this child?
IT IS DONE.
Personally. My only interest in this is the support and love of an individual involved in the group.
The continued verbal abuses aimed at said person by some cat dressing, bad jewelry making, misanthrope is more than enough reason to continue to ask:
Why not not take these issues directly to Etsy?
The short answer: it’s too fun to flame for some.
Oh my. The worst thing I have done is dress badly? No begging, stealing, lying, reselling, shilling, failure to refund, failure to send out my items, failure to communicate as a seller, no begging the forum for money, no squatting, no trolling the internet for sex? Just a bad dresser. Hang me.
keep pushing those lies pusshead. its so easy to shit talk isn’t it.
for one, she went to 2 different hospitals. plus the one
trudy wanted nutmeg to go to. when nutmeg went to hospital.
no one heard of her. and how is she suppose to find someone
when trudy didn’t even give nutmeg a frickin name? it was frustrating. i so remember it.
you puss are just a bully. plain and simply.
and its sad that people have jumped on this train of yours.
i have so much respect for nutmeg and group.
i will believe what i want to believe. and will leave you with this:
you fight for what’s right
and people are only out to hurt what you have worked
so much on.. well those that know me and what im part of. this is just a strait vent from my heart:
a maggot and mosquitos
twisting and connecting
a train a jump
cough
i try so haaard
my heart is shakey
i have words
they are coming
they are exploding
they are smeared along
the wall
and smashed
into glitter
disection
redirection
wondering
speculation
aggravation
a boom crash sensation
developed under strong hearts
you question they question
why is it wrong when it feels right
why do people feel the need to
tear something apart
sinking in this angry chair
even neil diamond isn’t soothing me
are you happy
with yourself?
do you know the
aggraaavaaation
your causing
you like it huh?
sick fucker
i don’t care
what you think
i don’t care
what you do
its a fight
with hearts
and words
to the naysayers
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end rant… its how i feel.. i am no victim, i am
proud of what i have done. and proud of the people i
have worked with on this project.
say what you want nothing can hurt more than this.
im being vauge and i don’t care.. don’t even care if
this gets locked.
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and yeah that was posted in etc. and no im not postin link so you can find it.
i bid you good day..
and may karma get you in the end…
Bad dresser? I may have insinuated that you dress cats. Now address the bad jewelry and misanthrope comments.
anon. On the closed thread I informed everyone that I had a friend’s husband who was somewhat affiliated to Niloufer (sp) and was visiting.
One thing led to another. Yes, the arrangement was going to be made AT THE HOSPITAL! I informed her of this time and time again. He would be a silent observer only. He would make his presence known to her. (he had a picture of her) If she would like to discuss avenues with his friend as to how to proceed with getting the help with Adia through Social Services he would arrange for her to meet with his friend who could make this happen at the hospital!
Nutmeg and Mr. Nutmeg could have met either one of them . He would have shown his credentials and explained to them in a gentle manner what information that he needed from them to make this happen. “Where do they beg? ” What hospitals has the child been in that you know of? etc. General intake questions that professionals have to ask to receive to assist.
I have worked in social services for 30 years I know how this happens and I explained it to her.
The nutmegs have traveled extensively. They go down the begging streets and have put themselves in many peirilous (sp) situations. Them meeting someone in a hospital setting with someone who is behind a desk is hardly life threatening.
I also came across info. that had stated that she had met with several charity agencies and was given the runaround or asked for a bribe.
When asked which ones because my friend didn’t want to duplicate the trail for charities, her answer to me was..” Tell them not to waste their time, I just emailed them, there is no record!”
I told you all from the get go I will answer questions. I have nothing to hide.
I also have never made any jewelry. Bad or otherwise.
You can take my suggestion with a grain of salt, other than having followed this from the post where this all began, I’ve not donated. Not that I wasn’t moved by the plight, but just that nutmeg annoyed me from the first post I read from her and my gut, along with past forum pleas for donations left a bad taste in my mouth.
But I would respectfully suggest that all monies collected in that account be returned to the donators and not forwarded on to some other charity, even if it is legitimate. Had I donated thinking my donation was going toward a specific purpose, I would not be thrilled with it going elsewhere unless I was consulted first.
Secondly, I really feel for those that are caught up in this nightmare simply because they felt moved to give selflessly to someone they were lead to believe was in dire need. I understand trying to figure out where to go from here has got to be difficult (at best) to try and suss out with all the accusations, links and information being presented. I can imagine feeling torn apart and stressed beyond comprehension at this point. Were I in any of your shoes, I’d disassociate myself from this ‘charity’ immediately, there is just too much that has been revealed (whether true or not) to cast a dark shadow over the whole thing.
Lastly, Puss, please don’t bully the ‘Auntys’ by your demands. I realize you are impatient and want to cut to the chase, but honestly, no one can make nutmeg answer anything, not even them, and I think they are courageous for coming here and trying to impart information that they are aware of.
As far as misanthrope, I call ‘em like I see ‘em, and I am not as stupid as you guys are.
Okay, I’m stupid, you’re smart.
How does it feel to know everything? Even if that knowledge is gleaned from Google searches and hours on your ass in front of a monitor.
moon.. This may be my last post. This is not getting anywhere I have posted the same info over and over.
The hospital that I wanted her to go to?
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It’s not that I wanted her to go to Nilf. Hospital. It is the only hospital in Hyderabad that I had connections.
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“When Nutmeg went to the hospital, no one heard of her and how is she supposed to find someone when Trudy didn’t give NM a frickin name?
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Nutmeg was informed that my friend was working on her behalf silently. No one at the hosp. would know that he was there for that reason. To assist Adia. She said that she understood that. His reputation is paramount to him.
After reading posts regarding Nilf. already from NM…NO sheets on beds, rude staff, bribes etc. he was being very careful as to how he was going to proceed . He was just going to gather facts.
Why would she be going to Nilf. hospital ( she had stated she was taking her to a private hosp) and then running around asking for MY name (as if they ever heard of me) and my friends name…My God doesn’t she know how this “under cover assisting her works!) Thank God he didn’t give me permission to give her his name!
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“It was frustrating I so remember it ”
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Moon, what you didn’t read is the convos sent. You read only what NM wanted you to read in the forums.
Please keep this respectful. I am not the bad guy here. I asked the dr’s questions very respectfully. The way my questions are asked to me are to see say the least disrepectful.
“But I would respectfully suggest that all monies collected in that account be returned to the donators and not forwarded on to some other charity, even if it is legitimate. Had I donated thinking my donation was going toward a specific purpose, I would not be thrilled with it going elsewhere unless I was consulted first.”
Thank you for the suggestion.
Trudy…still. You didn’t give her any information.
NOT. EVEN. A. NAME.
Think about that.
Secondly. Eyemohini. Nail. On. The. Head.
I think people who have serious questions and wish to discuss this politely without flaming each other should find another forum, because this one has gone down in flames.
WOW, I just finished reading about 200 posts
it is my opinion that this has derailed.
Keala and Black Tear – I commend you two for showing up here and trying to answer on behalf of the group, as PD said who we want to hear from is Nutmeg and that obviously is not going to happen. However, I know you two are stepping up to protect the group and your own reputations.
I admire you for posting with your own identity Keala, something that I myself have not been brave enough to do.
Why there has been attacking of these two individuals I do not know nor do I care to hear a response on it. It was uncalled for, they have tried to give the best explanations they can based on information they have received from an individual that will not do the right thing.
I am a bit… confused to say the least, there has been so much posting with links, names, shops, identities etc in regards to the persona of Nutmeg. I posted clearly what I wanted from Etsy I want Nutmeg gone. Why? Because that is where I sell where I shop and I do not want my venue associated with a less than honest person who has taken a lot of great people with her. I posted hundreds of posts back that the ADIA STREET TEAM WAS REMOVED from Etsy. That was a good thing and aside from Trudy no one else acknowledged this. Are we not here to fight for the integrity of our Etsy venue? Are we not here to try and get answers regarding a child that is hopefully receiving some sort of medical care? Was part of the issue not the fact that they were allowed to have a Charity team although it’s against Etsy’s TOU?
I understand that to some posters this is far more personal than it is to me. I have only followed and posted once maybe twice in defense for Nutmeg in the Etsy threads. I understand this is much more personal to some posters who are angry and have much more valid questions that I have or can have since I never donated.
I respect every single (ok maybe with a couple exceptions lol) poster and I believe this should be handled with respect.
Black Tear I am so sorry this is starting to shake you up emotionally I really have no answers for you guys as far as how you can go on without Nutmeg as she is the one in India, the only suggestion I have is to contact agencies there and hope for the best I know it sounds cold but like I said I have no answers.
I will keep reading but I beg that we stop referring to the Aunties who have been brave enough to front the battle by themselves as Scammers or Frauds.
They have had more interaction with NM than all of us and I am positive some like Keala and Black Tear find it very hard to walk away just like that with a child in need. So please, they didn’t start this, yes they gave their support and are trying to find a way to do the right thing but the right thing does not come easily.
I also agree with Windy and blacktear regarding the donations.
The street team was taken down by the board member who started it and who have since left the group.
Excellent post Windy! I concur. No attacking me either, ok! Honest to God. I tried to help. I was a saint one day and the devil the next! and yes, this isn’t all about me, but damn..
I was purely villified on those “after” threads and some supporters should be ashamed of yourself. PD isn’t the only one who can write some heated stuff. At least she does it up front. The terrible ones I received were in private and trust me they are a lot worse than the ones I have seen coming from PD.
I’m late for work. Take care. Will continue to sort the mess out later.
For me this has run its course.
I don’t know what to say so I am better saying nothing.
Thank you for the clarification Blacktear have a safe drive to work.
I am with Lexie, I have nothing else to say but I will continue reading.
If someone recognizes you for the fine being that you are and gives you a humanitarian award like Trudy’s for all the good works you have done on behalf of all the poor feeble-minded supporters, who without the benefit of your wisdom could hardly blow their own noses, would you go away PD?
Lexie I agree. I can’t imagine what I could say at this point. I only wanted to add.
If there was proven fraud committed by NM and other names are attached unwittingly would they also be held guilty by the internet fraud division of the FBI ? Does anyone know?
If I am in a car and drop my partner off to commit a crime and I sit in the get away car and speed off with him. I am also arrested.
If my friend says to me, stop at this bank I have to get some money out and then he goes in the bank and robs it and I then drive away with him ..Would I be guilty even though I didn’t know he was going to rob a bank?
I do not know the answers. I know deep in my heart that the supporters have done this from their right place. The ones remaining If I were you I would get some legal advice. That is all I’m saying.
I do have it from a person I deeply love and trust that it has been reported. This IS a fact.
I am not a fraud. I wanted to help what I believed was a little girl in trouble. Etsy proved at one time to be a beautiful community of artisans with big hearts. Now, after this, we’re not entirely sure who to trust.
I don’t appreciate, as I’m sure most Etsians/former ‘supporters’ don’t, being lumped in with the ‘frauds’ you mention.
pussdaddy – The ‘smoke and mirrors’ you see is how choose to remember that day, because it was an experience that changed me. I used to be extremely materialistic, and after my trip to Paraguay I went through a massive change. I wanted to share that experience the way I remembered it with everybody, to show where my heart was at the time when I decided to donate. I don’t justify what Nutmeg has done, if she is frauding us. I can’t justify my money was swindled. The only thing I can justify was my honest intent in getting involved, for the sake of this little girl. Now, I have a feeling there is no little girl, and I’ve pulled out.
What else can I do?
I have always commended the Auntys for their original good hearted intent. And that has not changed. You do have to wonder though about their intelligence as they see what has been said and done so far, and they still have their nose up nutmeg’s ass.
and just one more note. Don’t think for a moment that Etsy Adm. aren’t the only ones reading these posts.
I am also going to read. I can’t imagine anymore that I can add. I will answer respectful questions, but insults and slams I won’t. I am just one person of many just trying to sort out this mess. but it can be done in a civil matter by both sides.
I’ve just come back in after attending some issues related to my internet security being compromised yesterday. I haven’t read the last 100 or so comments, as I’m still tending to business, but would like to reiterate what the posted above said. NO ONE should be calling anyone a fraud here, particularly the very people you might suspect of having fallen for it–the aunties. This post was made on Etsy and then moved here for the purpose of addressing several ‘red flag’ issues that come up (and should come up) concerning an individual’s solicitation of funds for a cause or charity. I read Nutmeg’s post, and in my opinion, she did not address any of the questions in my originating post–only declared in beautiful martyred prose that it is unkind for us to examine these issues. I believe this was her reaction the first time this cause was scrutinized in the forums, where she how aghast she was that anyone would question her, how it was making her ‘sick’, and ‘after all she was doing, all her hard work.’ etc. If I remember, that fueled a diatribe against Trudy, and was later followed by a scum-of-the-earth posting by a ‘uludag’ who was suddenly a Etsy member, buyer of things in Nutmeg’s shop, and leaver of exquisite, gushing feedback. The (now closed) thread entitled something to the effect that “People with Brain Tumors are Mentally Ill.” Those are facts, facts like the ones in my OP, that need to be looked at and evaluated–and addressed by the ‘foundation’ in question. And no, drdjc, so far Nutmeg has not struck me as “brave.” Brave would have been responding 900+ posts earlier, not coming in here with a “you are hurting my feelings” response to my questions. Yes, Nutmeg, some on here have vilified you–or even the aunties, despite my request that they not do that. Much has been posted on here that is trashy, entirely irrelevant, and possibly even purposefully diverting attention away from the valid questions raised in here. But if the vilification has gotten out of hand, it is only because you did NOT behave in a professional manner as any fundraising organization should, and come in here promptly to address my questions.
eyemohini Says:
October 20, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Okay, I’m stupid, you’re smart.
How does it feel to know everything? Even if that knowledge is gleaned from Google searches and hours on your ass in front of a monitor.
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I suppose you stand on your head in front of yours?
Yes, PD you have supported the aunty’s many times. One only has to look on your past posts (blog) to see that.
nomorebozo’s …see people post like this..try to push buttons and than get pissed when someone answers the way they do.
designbycassandra..You can not do anymore. Thanks for coming forward. It was very brave of you to do so.
No I doubt very much if this was actually proved to be a scam that that anyone other than Nutmeg would be held accountable should this go any further which I am very sure it won’t.
The facts are that there was/is definitely a child. That child was admitted to hospital albeit only for a day or so.
The Aunties have only ever been instrumental in trying to help that child. What Nutmeg’s position was is unclear.
I doubt very much that the CIA or any other organisation would take it any further given these facts and given that it looks like there will be no more collections for money.
If you still want to concentrate on anything then concentrate on getting Nutmeg removed from Etsy for Reselling and possible Shilling.
I know there will be plenty of people who don’t agree with this and I apologise for that but as I said, I have really had enough.
edcbuyer. Amen! Excellent response. I agree with all said. I specifically agree about personally diverting attention away and NM not being brave. Thank you.
God Puss, you don’t do your cause any justice by insulting anyone and everyone posting here.
IMO Lexie is correct in this has run its course
I also agree with Windy, time to wind up and return what can be returned and salvage something of a reputation
I feel deeply sorry for the Auntys but it would help them if they stopped trying to pretend Nutmeg isn’t a liar and a rotten seller as per feedback and the photos on various sites of identical items as those she has restored or made that exist in multiples and are sold by the hundred on Mr. Nutmeg’s site
Puss posted the contact page link
All I find significant about that is it proves without any doubt at all that Nutmeg is a liar
This is the same person who claimed in the forum in one of the Adia threads that she is so painfully shy she can’t even bring herself to speak to people on the phone
In her personal details she states she is into “Exhibitionism”
No question its the same person, there are photos
How is calling people stupid (“i question their intelligence”) supportive?
As far as giving up a name, would you guys post your friend’s name on the internet? Pretend you are adult’s and we are talking about adults with professional reputations here.
Lexie I did not mention the CIA.
This has been reported to the FBI internet fraud/scam division. I was informed this by the person who reported it.
anony. I have spelled out exactly in numerous posts. You are right I did not give her a name. I did give her the other details as stated above. HE WAS GOING TO BE BEHIND A DESK! HE WOULD RECOGNIZE HER FROM THE PICTURE. HE WOULD BE THERE AFTER SHE CONVOED ME THAT SHE WAS GOING TO THE HOSPITAL. HE WOULD IDENTIFY HIMSELF TO HER after the child was finished with in take..IF SHE WANTED TO ADDRESS ISSUES WITH HIM.
I can not make it any clearer.
I am not here to convince anyone of anything. All I have ever attempted to do is give the supporters and “heads up!”
designsbycassandra
your initial post touched me, I was born in Mexico and although my family migrated here (legally lets just get that out of the way) and we are now well off in the sense that we get food and have a roof over our heads things were not always the same.
I do not remember our particular life in Mexico as I was only 4 when we left but my mother recalls not having enough money to buy us adequate shoes and my sisters and I would wear those “pink jelly shoes” because they were the cheapest.
When I visit Guadalajara we always come back with lighter luggage. Within our own extended family there is necessity and although we help them out as much as possible we cannot ignore that our own economy is suffering here in the states.
We spend a large amount of our “shopping money” buying shoes for our younger relatives ( i have so many cousins) and we leave behind clothing for my aunts and older cousins to wear.
The tourists spots are lined with people begging, girls that look like they are 15 yrs old with 2-3 babies covering their face out of embarrassment, men and women who expose their missing limbs. Much different than the teenagers and young people that wear jewelry and good shoes who beg outside of walmart. One particular lady caught my attention she was playing a keyboard and she was blind. I didn’t buy anything on a particular day I had no pesos left after handing them out, sometimes it’s just easier on the heart to look straight ahead as you pass them by.
I understand you having been drawn to this cause seeing what you had seen in Paraguay, I was drawn to it as I initially pointed out also but was unable to help financially.
Just wanted to share that bit with you and sorry for going off topic.
I’m another one who hasn’t commented until now, because I haven’t donated and didn’t feel vested in the whole mess.
I’m a full-time seller with two shops, and they’re the main source of my income, which is why I’m not posting under my name (I don’t like being anonymous any more than the rest of you). I’ve never been a fan of Nutmeg’s, and I’ve always assumed that there was some reselling going on in her shops. Now that there is evidence to support that, I’d like to see her removed as a seller, like I would all resellers.
But I am really taken aback at the abusive, bullying behavior towards not only Nutmeg, but Keala and BlackTear and anyone else brave enough to admit their association with her. Seriously, seriously, seriously–Keala doesn’t deserve to get cursed out and berated and marginalized just for having the nerve to show up here. No one is responsible for Nutmeg but herself, and no one should be bullied out of here just because they won’t speak for her.
And the dating (or whatever) links are a low blow, and completely irrelevant to the discussion here. Especially when they are a few years old, even. Getting down to that level will only serve to swing sympathy over to Nutmeg, IMO.
Basically, I just wanted to add another voice of support for anyone who is really trying to address the actual issues here, even if they have unpopular associations. I’ve spoken to a number of people who aren’t posting here, BlackTear, and no one thinks you’re a scammer or anything of the sort.
Cause lord knows, that was the real Obama on Facebook that added you as a friend. There’s photos!
edCBuyer, if you did not want us to disuss this stuff you mentioned in the manner we discussed it, then maybe it would be more to your liking if you simply stated exactly what you would like to discuss, and in what manner.
Moon don’t be so ashamed of your thread let everyone read it now you have tempted them
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6319254&page=1
shameonyou (post # 974) I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Sure, nutmeg and her husband may be ‘weird’ and involved in all sorts of alternative-lifestyle things (I’m not talking about the reselling) but that is not the point and makes this call-out look like nothing more than a petty bitch session. The personal stuff (looks, religion, etc) is irrelevant to the issue at hand.
Can we please focus on the issue of reselling, shilling, and possible wrong-doing with the Adia Foundation and stop with the personal attacks (on nutmeg and others)?
It makes this whole thread look juvenile and high-schoolish.
(and for full disclosure, I have very close friends who would be picked apart like the posts above for being ‘weird’ because they look & dress like the nutmegs, so it hits close to home to read that garbage) Thanks.
And Keala & BlackTear, I just want to repeat what others have said about how you both have been working on this with the very best of intentions and good hearts. Blessings to you both.
Not Really Surprised, I agree totally. The Aunties do need to distance themselves from Nutmeg but in fairness I think most of them are doing that. I haven’t seen too much support for Nutmeg recently, at best they say she should come in and answer the questions herself. It must be very difficult to one day be totally supportive and trusting of a person and then next day find that person is a liar and a cheat.
Reading between the lines I would think that the Aunties do realise that there is a serious problem with Nutmeg but I think they are finding it difficult to actually admit that openly.
What they are doing now speaks volumes and I don’t think it is right to force them to come out with the words when the actions seem to say it all.
What’s that saying “you’re only as good as the company you keep.” Something like that. Anyway, it seems silly to attack each other.
I am done. I really am going to read. I have got to clean my neglected house and paint. I did the best that I could. Supporters still have my blessings.
I contacted 2 last night that are very active with their support NM I just asked them how they were holding up.
One replied that she sees us as being on the opposite sides of the fence and that she did not see me as her rival. I responded that I am sorry that she be stressed out by the events and that I was just thinking about her and that I also did not consider her a rival.
Supporters to verify that I did this it won’t take you long to do so.
So I am done for now. Trudy.
I love how people assume that when somebody chooses to do something different, it must be because somebody or something changed their mind. And that act alone somehow validates the statements made by others that a certain individual is truly a “liar and a cheat.”
I may have let my heart lead me into this but I also have the intelligence to separate ADIA from NUTMEG. I’m in this for ADIA as the group and Adia as the little girl this all started for (remember her?) NOT Nutmeg. I’m now trying to do what’s right for ADIA/Adia and fix this mess. Nutmeg has her own mess.
edcbuyer;
You stated this at the bottom of your last post:
“…did NOT behave in a professional manner as any fundraising organization should, and come in here promptly to address my questions.”
Being a somewhat neutral position, I would like to ask you directly two questions.
First, what evidence is there that the Adia group or Nutmeg are a registered “fund raising organization”?
Second, I admit I am not up to date on the concerns you have referred to, but under what authority do you feel you have the right to demand anything?
Based on the information I have, the Adia Group and those who form it or have formed it, are not a registered group.. this would make them a private group who happens to share information publicly. Much like this or any other blog. If there was a button to offer a donation to the blog, I could demand all I want and the owner is under no responsibility to answer any questions.
Unless you have evidence to the contrary, perhaps you and others should keep things in context. Answer these two questions if you wish, but since I am not demanding I won’t hold it against you if you choose not to.
“…under what authority do you feel you have the right to demand anything?”
Encore! Encore!
Lexie said the following:
“What they are doing now speaks volumes and I don’t think it is right to force them to come out with the words when the actions seem to say it all.”
If they are doing anything it is distancing themselves from the vile and hate filled attacks that are coming primarily from this blog and its active posters. Truly this reflects badly on the intention of the blog.
You also claim that Nutmeg is a “liar and a cheat” even if that were true, and I personally have seen no real evidence to support that… how would that have any impact on the group as a whole? If your evidence has anything to do with the ADIA group or with Adia the young girl than by all means, present the evidence. Anything other has no impact on the group.
I find it truly sad that people would set such poisonous attacks against someone who is trying to help. If someone had seen this young girl in the condition she was in and simply walked by, then blogged about it… and later blogged that the young girl died in the street, I bet she would be attacked for doing nothing. Should I confess that I don’t always hold the door for the Elderly when entering or leaving the store? Is that an offense I could be stoned for?
I truly hope that whoever is breathing out threats of contacting agencies like th FBI and CIA have concrete proof. They’ve been known to charge people for wasting their time on unfounded claims.
think of the amount of time and effort you have invested in just going around in circles. yes, nm is probably a charismatic, borderline personality who married another one. yes a reseller. anything else is just at this point speculation. and all this back and forth namecalling is not proving anything to anyone you may wish to convince. there are very few posters here who seem trustworthy. google some of them. omg.
Nobody on this blog has any authority… but with it rumoured that this all has been sent to one, I guess we’ll see how it plays out.
I no longer have any responsibility (nor have I ever) to answer any further questions on this blog. I have, because I had a shimmer of hope it would help. It hasn’t.
Okay guys.
FACT:
Nutmeg is a reseller
FICTION (until proven fact)
Nutmeg is using money raised for a charity cause for herself
Honestly, I believe Nutmeg is the scammer most of you guys do. I BELIEVE that, I don’t KNOW for a fact. I never liked her round-about way of promoting herself as a “selfless” giver. I believe that if you do give to the less fortunate, there’s no need to advertise that fact to every seller on Etsy just to prove how “good” you are. This is actually what makes me suspicious of the Adia charity. She has posted many threads speaking of how generous and selfless she is, and now a new charity case came around that she needed a large sum of money for…?
I just think it’s wrong that everyone is acting like it’s a proven fact at this point.
FACT: Reselling is not a criminal offence…
Freethinker I agree, but to correct you on one thing, the ADIA group is not a registered Charity.
I never said it was a registered charity, or all all “charities” registered? I couldn’t think of a better word than charity
Maybe “cause?”
Still, there’s a lot of suspicious activity going on. We can feel skeptical, but what if in the off chance this wasn’t a hoax? Then we all go down as a bunch of accusatory assholes.
I am not having my heart ripped to shreds for a hoax or a scam.
raven..This is it I promise.
My post was a fact. Someone contacted the FBI internet fraud/scam dept. and informed them regarding Adia on the internet. He/she did this awhile back. He/she has never done that before . I do not know if the division is reading this or not. I would not be surprised that’s all.
I did not state that he/she threatened to do so. I stated that someone had done so.
and No it was not me!
I did not want to put the fear in God in anyone for God’s sake. Just heads up and be careful.
I swear to God, this is not going anywhere. I feel like it is just so surreal. I do not want to rehash this over and over! I have told you straight up facts that I know to be true. I have answered your questions to the best of my ability.
I can not sit on the computer and do this anymore. Good Luck to all.
I apologize then… I guess I wanted to clarify as the way you referred to them looked like you were implying they are in fact a registered Charity.
Basically I wanted to clarify because others seem to think that they can bully these people to answer who knows what questions about every little detail. If you take a moment to look around folks will see paypal donation buttons on various types of websites… from tutorial sites up to and including registered foundations.
I bet if I e-mailed and demanded to know where every red cent went I wouldn’t get much of a response. Is this shady? Not really. Should the Adia group offer this information for the folks who choose to attack them over the smallest detail? Would you?
That said. I understand that there are some legit concerns. rather than attacking, why not present the concerns and leave it be. If you (general term) feel its shady, then don’t get involved… no one here has ever been forced to do anything in relation to the group of people who chose to work together to help someone and perhaps allow that effort to grow.
How far would this nonsense go if it was pointed at Madonna, Angelina Joile, or Matt Damon for their efforts? Much of this libel would have been handled by their lawyers. no?
I’ve been reading all of the posts but not posting too often. The name-calling bothers me, too, because I’d like to see this discussion stay reasonable.
Nutmeg is very charismatic. I do believe that she is a reseller, is shilling, and is not taking care of her business. I believe that she plays fast and loose with the truth. I think she should be off etsy.
I think that he people who got involved did so because they really believed in this cause and wanted to help. I wish only the best for them and am saddened that they are in this position. I don’t think they – or anyone else – should be called names. I admire them for coming forward the way they have.
Outside of etsy, I don’t know for sure that the child exists, or that nutmeg put her in the hospital. There isn’t sufficient proof that these events occurred, and some of the details just don’t make sense. I don’t know where the money went. Letting the fbi investigate this aspect is probably best as they have access to things we don’t.
I think that’s it for me.
However, if the generous people who donated get scammed, I’m going to be pissed.
I didn’t donate because as soon as I heard of Adia, the nameless beggar child, I felt sketched out. I do donate money, but to LEGITIMATE foundations, not to a nameless child in a third world country, who for all we know, may not exist (I’m sorry if that sounds nasty, it’s just my naturally suspicious mind at work).
To an unsuspicious mind, Nutmeg and her ventures seem noble I assume. Nutmeg built up her reputation to be a selfless giver that was respected by many on Etsy. I’m just worried that she used that respect and scammed money from people who wanted nothing more than to ease the suffering of one starving child.
I pray that this is a misunderstanding. If it’s not, shame on her.
But please don’t hate the givers to the cause. Or anyone who backed Nutmeg. They just wanted to help that child, and were bighearted people who gave money for someone who they thought needed it without thinking. I commend them for their desires to help that little girl.
So, where is the concrete proof that Nutmeg is a reseller?
I would certainly like to know, as I purchased a set of the now-infamous nesting dolls.
Just the facts, please. I don’t give a rats ass what names Nutmeg gives herself, where she’s lived, what church she goes to, what personals she’s posted online, what color her underwear are, etc.
I keep reading that it is a FACT that she is a reseller. I’d appreciate it if someone could kindly show me the proof.
Stacey-she says she collected a set from a begger, and refinished them.
Yet she has sold many. Her husband apparently sells those nesting dolls on his website (the link is actually on my work computer, not there now)
Maybe someone else can help you with that link
Can we please focus on the issue of reselling, shilling, and possible wrong-doing with the Adia Foundation and stop with the personal attacks (on nutmeg and others)?
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Yes. Woud really like to see Nutmeg’s shop taken down. Even the whole ninja photo-cropping thing said so flippantly really bugs me.
BlackTear Says:
October 20, 2009 at 2:24 pm
FACT: Reselling is not a criminal offence…
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Maybe not but on Etsy its a lynching matter
Or does that only apply if you are a poverty stricken Chinese person trying to earn a living selling paintings, purses, dresses
freethinker Says:
October 20, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Okay guys.
FACT:
Nutmeg is a reseller
FICTION (until proven fact)
Nutmeg is using money raised for a charity cause for herself
Honestly, I believe Nutmeg is the scammer most of you guys do. I BELIEVE that, I don’t KNOW for a fact. I never liked her round-about way of promoting herself as a “selfless” giver. I believe that if you do give to the less fortunate, there’s no need to advertise that fact to every seller on Etsy just to prove how “good” you are. This is actually what makes me suspicious of the Adia charity. She has posted many threads speaking of how generous and selfless she is, and now a new charity case came around that she needed a large sum of money for…?
I just think it’s wrong that everyone is acting like it’s a proven fact at this point.
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Agreed. Had this started with someone else, I honestly might have felt inclined to get involved.
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BlackTear,
No, reselling isn’t a criminal offense, but it does display an intent to deceive – which, I hope, is why it was brought up here. Obviously for anyone who has been involved in this, or even watching it play out, it’s a issue of major concern.
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At this stage, I’m not sure there is much point to rehashing this over and over. There will be no answers from Nutmeg, I highly doubt she feels that anyone deserves one. Even if she provided a answers, would anyone care? Would anyone believe a word of it? I would not, so will it ever end?
With that said, I’m going to step away from this. At least from this post. I’m disgusted that a bunch of good people have been tore down over this. I’m disgusted that, from the perspective of her shop, people have been deceived. That buyers are out of their money – and I hope they get every penny of it back.
As for the Adia issue, I hope that the members are able to regroup and salvage any sanity they may have left. Given the right platform and the right resources – you guys could do wonderful things.
The only ‘proof’ is a link to an alibaba store also run by ‘Mr.Nutmeg’ which is also selling the dolls and claims to be able to offer them in bulk, which in fairness isn’t much proof.
Seen as it’s run by the same people doesn’t really add up to much. At the most it maybe means the story as to how she came across the dolls in the first place is a little embellished.
Which is not a crime, and neither is reselling in the grand scheme of things.
anon, if they can provide 500 or more of the nesting dolls, as stipulated in the Alibaba shop, it makes the story of her finding and restoring each one a bit hard to swallow. Quantities of 500 or more, are most likely mass produced.
Thank you Seriously.
“Yes. Woud really like to see Nutmeg’s shop taken down. Even the whole ninja photo-cropping thing said so flippantly really bugs me.”
With regard to this statement, please apply some logic. If Nutmeg had been using her ninja photo shopping/cropping skills why would she feel the need to ask for someone else to do it for her on a forum?
And regardless of that small piece of logic Keala has already explained the context of the statement, which seems completely legit & makes sense.
Yes, that’s likely Sally, however it is not fact that 500 can be provided. It could just be a figure that has been thrown out as Alibaba is a wholesale site. But I am being speculative.
Anon-correct. It’s not a crime. In real life.
But on Etsy it’s a crime, and one of the worst things you can do.
So she should get kicked off. If her husband has mass quantities of these things, and she’s selling them on etsy and coriandr (some are IDENTICAL), it;’s VERY likely she’s reselling factory made products.
Or her hands are bleeding from repainting god-knows-how-many nesting dolls.
She wasn’t doing it herself. That’s the point. She wanted someone else to add Adia’s hand to a picture to create an illusion.
And the ‘logic’ doesn’t sit well with me. It just bugs me. Glad it’s all wrapped up in a nice neat bundle for you. It doesn’t for me.
Exactly freethinker.
The point being Sally, in asking, she is admitting that she doesn’t have the skills. Therefore has not utilized the skills that she doesn’t have to deceive anyone.
Which would be the only reason anyone would take issue with it.
anon, I don’t want to continue this tit for tat with you.
i will say, she actually does have the skills to do it.
I’m done.
Play nice people.
Reselling is not even a crime on Etsy… it’s just against their TOU, but that’s NOT law.
As for the cropping thing… THAT was a misunderstanding. Nutmeg wanted to zoom in and crop Adia’s hand from a single photograph, not photo-shop Adia’s hand into another photo. BIG difference.
For Stacey:
Check out the amount they can supply in a month.:
http://www.alibaba.com/product/in106927838-106468683-0/Wooden%20Nesting%20dolls.html
It’s not tit for tat Sally, it’s proving or disproving what people are claiming as fact.
Show me the proof.
Blacktear if a jeweler sells you a diamond ring and you find out it is a cubic zirconia what would you call that?
I know it’s not reselling but is is fraud?
Isn’t Etsy in a position to define and address what is fraudulent in the listings on its service?
nice to see the old thread pulled up.
i may have posted once or twice in the current aida thread, asking questions as it seemed odd.
but i do remember the previous thread http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6132639&page=6 and how creepy and underhanded it seemed to want to take money that belongs to others who would desperately need it.
as with everyone else who posted in a friendly manner, with logic, i was told that i was evil for having any concerns.
this is such a mess, and i highly doubt any of this money has been going where she has said it has.
blacktear-it’s against etsy rules. and etsy TOU are essentially their laws. she should be kicked off. period. Doesn’t matter if it’s not a government enforced law.
Reselling is reselling. I see a lot of threads about people selling factory made goods. And I see lots of threads where sellers find their items for sale on another etsy. Same diff. Reselling is selling items purchased by you that you did not make. How would you feel if you saw a seller selling your goods?
Reselling is against etsy TOU. Don’t even try and justify her items. They aren’t allowed. Doesn’t matter if it’s not a “real” law. We are talking about Etsy here, not taking her to court for selling factory made goods. She can do that on ebay.
eyemohini Says:
October 20, 2009 at 1:49 pm
I love how people assume that when somebody chooses to do something different, it must be because somebody or something changed their mind. And that act alone somehow validates the statements made by others that a certain individual is truly a “liar and a cheat.”
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You really are stupid. She does lie and cheat. Have you read a damn word posted about her? You are too stupid to even be allowed to answer me right now.
And note how in the link to the alibaba nesting dolls sold by Mr Nutmeg how the story is different than the dolls on Nutmegs etsy and coriandr.
Same dolls, only on alibaba they aren’t lovingly restored by NM
Stacey Says:
October 20, 2009 at 2:59 pm
So, where is the concrete proof that Nutmeg is a reseller?
I would certainly like to know, as I purchased a set of the now-infamous nesting dolls.
Just the facts, please. I don’t give a rats ass what names Nutmeg gives herself, where she’s lived, what church she goes to, what personals she’s posted online, what color her underwear are, etc.
I keep reading that it is a FACT that she is a reseller. I’d appreciate it if someone could kindly show me the proof.
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Jesus Christ, the proof was posted on this thread twice already
Aww, I love you too!
Google it.
puss your responses are hardly constructive, if you have something constructive to offer I suggest you do so without throwing insults around.
BlackTear Says:
October 20, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Reselling is not even a crime on Etsy… it’s just against their TOU, but that’s NOT law.
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It isn’t a crime to represent something as being a handpainted, vintage set of dolls, when it is actually a mass produced set? Even if it is handpainted, vintage set, it was sold to me as being handpainted by Nutmeg, not by anonymous
“fair trade labor”.
I am just irritated and upset and wishing I had kept my $48 to myself and not felt compelled to do something “nice”. These dolls were supposed to be a gift for my little girl’s birthday. It’s been 51 days, and I still don’t even have them.
Maybe I am naive, but I really do hope this is all a big misunderstanding……
Stacey, why didn’t you submit a claim to paypal for a refund within the allotted time frame?
And be sure to leave negative feedback nd contact Admin.
Oh stacey..I’m sorry you havent received your dolls. Did you see her horrific feedback?
Try contacting her for a refund. May not do much good, but what can you do? Another filed a claim and won, but there was no money in nutmeg’s account to refund her.
I’m sorry.
Stacey Says:
October 20, 2009 at 4:20 pm
BlackTear Says:
October 20, 2009 at 3:34 pm
I am just irritated and upset and wishing I had kept my $48 to myself and not felt compelled to do something “nice”. These dolls were supposed to be a gift for my little girl’s birthday. It’s been 51 days, and I still don’t even have them.
Maybe I am naive, but I really do hope this is all a big misunderstanding……
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Stacey, did you pay for them with a credit card? If so, do a charge back. I think you missed the 45 day PayPal deadline.
I would also convo Nutmeg and ask for your money back as well. Tell her you will refuse the package. (Not that she answers convos, but I bet she reads them.)
Also, leave appropriate feedback.
Just my opinion…
Stacey If it was this set of nesting dolls you bought (there are a lot of similar ones sold or for sale on the different sites she sells on including Etsy)
http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=17632385
You could have ordered a bulk order of 2 to 500 here, how did the price compare
http://www.alibaba.com/product/in106927838-106468683-0/Wooden_Nesting_dolls.html#productDetailpageLocation
Unfortunately unless you paid by credit card and can claim that way you can only claim back on paypal for 45 days
Others are having claims to paypal found in their favor but there are no funds in her account for them
I have a “dispute” currently with Paypal… I waited until the 45th day. According to Paypal, I still have until November 2nd to escalate it to a claim or whatever.
I don’t want to leave horrific feed back. Nutmeg HAS conoved me back a couple of times.. she told me she would attempt to trace the package, to give her perhaps 3 days. That was 5 days ago. I don’t think I’m being too unreasonable. I would just like some resolution.
Stacey, unless the package was insured, or sent through UPS or another shipping service, there’s no way to trace the package from India.
That’s not actually true SqueakyClean.
Mail from India can be sent registered. I’m not sure if this is an automatic thing but all mail I have received from India has a tracking number.
That’s what I meant anon. Unless it was sent insured or registered, there’s no way to trace. Her shipping amounts are quite low. I’ve had parcels from India shipped, and paid more to have them insured/registered.
Unfortunately Stacey people are trying to get refunds from her now and there is no money in her paypal account. I am sorry it happened to you though. I really am
This thread is no longer suitable for posting. it is taking 3 to 4 minutes to get a post like this to type out and post. I am done with it
***Those of you who’ve expressed strong doubts about the Adia operation, especially those of you have mentioned reporting to fraud agencies in this thread need to immediately SECURE YOUR PAYPAL and bank accounts. And then emails, and other important accounts, for caution’s sake.
Yesterday I noted that my edcbyer.wordpress.com blog had been tampered with, even though I have been using 12-digit long passwords, and have changed them three times since opening the blog this week. The link that was supposed to go to the closed thread in Etsy was redirecting instead to Echo’s shop in Coriandr. I notified WordPress support right away, but at this point do not know if who I’ve been emailing
with was actually from WordPress. I have received two suspicious emails in my business email account (one not affiliated in any way at all with Etsy, but a separate business), which I did not open as I have reason to believe they are associated with this issue due to the title on each one. When I went to my yahoo email account today, the one affiliated with my Paypal account, a warning notice came on screen saying that my “account may have been compromised.”
WordPress admin, I have no way of knowing if the Antonio from support I have been emailing with is really from your support team. Please respond using the email I registered the EdCByer WordPress account with. My security person will take it from there.
Still, there’s a lot of suspicious activity going on. We can feel skeptical, but what if in the off chance this wasn’t a hoax? Then we all go down as a bunch of accusatory assholes.
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I think there really is a child. But I don’t think nutmeg should be on Etsy anymore.
Damn Ed…Ok..I will tell my friend who told me also. Wow. If there are non believers after this. That is pretty serious. I wil check my paypal account now. Trudy
edc. I am so sorry that this happenned to you. I am truly sorry. I will notify you if anything suspicious happens on my end. Trudy
trudy, edcbuyer the “oh Nutmeg” and “Nutmeg is brave” were expressions of my feelings of complete desolation, disappointment of minimal explanation(oh Nutmeg) and to be utterly truthful, sympathy. because even if this has been a scam, the name calling(by some) and dredging up of irrelevant past activities has been uncalled for and horrible.
i do think she is brave for fronting up here with all the hostility.
that doesn’t mean i have altered my position of removing myself from ADIA, just that i have feelings
Keala and Black tear you are amazing, generous and brave and i feel priviledged to call you friends
Pussdaddy, I sometimes have the same problem with my laptop, where I type a sentence and there is a long delay and then starts typing out.
If you haven’t already done so, log out and turn your computer all the way off. When I log back in, it’s fixed.
That’s all the advice I have, hope it works because I like reading your posts.
Thank you Dr.
I will only add that I would have thought she was brave if she had answered questions.
I would just like to get the record straight – I am no longer a ‘supporter’ of the Adia Foundation, and it would be increidbly stupid of me to ignore evidence of Nutmeg’s flighty character, dishonesty in reselling, WHICH IS AGAINST ETSY RULES, and I HIGHLY agree with those demanding her removal.
BlackTear, the issue we bring up with these nesting dolls is about ethics, which can be related to the Etsy rule of NO MASS PRODUCED ITEMS – that she claimed to rescue these from an old man who was going to send them to a fire pit, and was a toymaker’s apprentice to learn how to restore these dolls. There is evidence here that she did not do this. Why would she post that she had, and not just say that they are a mass-produced item? People like myself purchase items like these because they have a history behind them. To be robbed of that history, and to be possibly embarrassed if someone else happens to have the same, if not similar item that was obtained in some corner store in India or local culture shop, we feel cheated. That’s fraud by proxy, so who can trust anything she says now, especially after that kernel of truth?
shameonyou, thanks for sharing that. I am happy to know that these experiences and memories are shared with people across the globe, awakening them to the truth of what is ‘out there’. Maybe I’m too much of a trusting person, but I wanted to help. Thanks for understanding.
pussdaddy, you are turning offensive and counter-productive. I think you need a fat joint, a bag of Doritos, and a nap. Then come back to us. You have VERY valid arguments, but your tone in conversation is not helping your message. DO NOT lump us all together in a collective ‘brown-nosing’, and stop using my fond memories of these children in hyperbole of ‘smoke and mirrors’. This experience made me aware of the suffering in the world, and I wanted to do what I could, as would anyone with a charitable heart. If you’re declaring that I’m a stupid numbnut for not looking up this woman’s history, then that’s my problem. I did NOT get involved in the organization because I wanted to scam people’s money, and I will NOT defend Nutmeg, because there’s nothing to defend about her.
It’s up to her if she’ll do that. Don’t ask me to get her out here. I can’t be held responsible for her actions. I’m just as surprised at this information as most people are. You wanna talk ‘smoke and mirrors’? Maybe we should ask her for some tips. If and when she decides to speak for herself.
In the meantime, the only thing we can do is withdraw our support. I’ve done that already.
Trudy, thanks for your support.
Raven, sorry, I only just now noticed your question. Regarding this that I said earlier:
“Brave would have been responding 900+ posts earlier, not coming in here with a “you are hurting my feelings” response to my questions. Yes, Nutmeg, some on here have vilified you–or even the aunties, despite my request that they not do that. Much has been posted on here that is trashy, entirely irrelevant, and possibly even purposefully diverting attention away from the valid questions raised in here. But if the vilification has gotten out of hand, it is only because you did NOT behave in a professional manner as any fundraising organization should, and come in here promptly to address my questions.”
…you’ve misread my statement, possibly because you left off the first part of the sentence when you quoted me. There is no ‘demand’ at all in that sentence, at least none meant. What I was expressing was that if the vilification and ugliness had gotten out of hand (and it has, at times, to my deep regret), it was only because she did not address the questions promptly–which is the cardinal rule of anyone trying to keep an untarnished image concerning questions about the use of charitable funds. “Organization” did not mean in a formal sense; I know they are not formally organized. But whether formally registered or not, the same good practices apply when running a charitable operation.
Cassandra, fair enough re: ethics of reselling.
Thank you, BlackTear. We can agree to that.
No one’s reputation can really afford to be attached to this anymore. Nutmeg seems to be misrepresenting herself, and by that, her posing as a ‘guardian angel’ to a mistreated child in the streets of India, just seems too good to be true. It’s what we would all want to do, because we are all caring, nurturing people, or we would be so passionate about this, whether we’re for or against Nutmeg. Those who are against are astonished by this misrepresentation, by what evidence shows here in this blog, and continues to reveal itself throught its comments. Those who are for her are still holding on to the fact that ‘Adia’ needs the help.
This is my problem. In my heart, Nutmeg’s ‘Adia’ doesn’t exist, and it’s a sad thing she has to do by taking advantage of people like me who genuinely want to help a fellow ‘artist’, whom she obviously ISN’T, because she’s simply a RESELLER. All of this evidence is a great, big danger sign of a really good con artist who preys on people who aren’t stupid (pussdaddy!), but who are in the decision-making mind that they can ‘afford’ to make a difference. Get a lot of these people donating $100 or $200 worth of handmade stuff, you’re up to a few thousand dollars. It’s a really good plan, and I can see that now.
I’m not happy with this, not at all, and my Etsian friend who had recruited me to the cause felt just as horrible about the news. She had ultimately decided to ‘bow out’ herself because of this controversy, and I’m really glad she did, because she’s a really good person, and she doesn’t deserve to be dragged into this. She decided to join Nutmeg’s ‘crusade to save Adia’ because she has a big heart, as well. We never expected, especially in a community like Etsy, to be involved in something like this.
What can we really do about this woman? She’s as stable as the Roma she claims she’s saving. We could demand action from Etsy Admin, but at what cost?
And Nutmeg, if you are following this (that might be a high hope), you really owe more than what edc effectively calls a “you’re hurting my feelings” cry. You owe answers to all here, or even on your blog The Story of Adia (http://thestoryofadia.blogspot.com), where you could at least do us all the honour and outline your expenses. If the money was spent the way it was supposed to be spent, then show us how. At this point, we can’t take your word, and that’s your doing. Be honest about what’s posted here – answer edc’s questions! Private conversation is not really an option, and would rather strain your wrists typing hundreds of emails to each person whom you owe an explanation to individually. Put out one mass email will ALL the answers, and be done with it.
Of course, Nutmeg’s not following, and even if she is, she won’t do it, because that’s not what people like her would do.
“I’m not happy with this, not at all, and my Etsian friend who had recruited me to the cause felt just as horrible about the news. She had ultimately decided to ‘bow out’ herself because of this controversy, and I’m really glad she did, because she’s a really good person, and she doesn’t deserve to be dragged into this. She decided to join Nutmeg’s ‘crusade to save Adia’ because she has a big heart, as well. We never expected, especially in a community like Etsy, to be involved in something like this.”
My love to her… she is awesome. And it’s really the wonderful ladies who’ve opened up their hearts to this and got involved does my own heart cry for.
I think this was just too big for us (even without the accusations against Nutmeg). But I will miss our group and the love and support we gave each other.
edcbyer Says:
October 20, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Raven, sorry, I only just now noticed your question. Regarding this that I said earlier:
(snip)
…you’ve misread my statement, possibly because you left off the first part of the sentence when you quoted me. There is no ‘demand’ at all in that sentence, at least none meant. What I was expressing was that if the vilification and ugliness had gotten out of hand (and it has, at times, to my deep regret), it was only because she did not address the questions promptly–which is the cardinal rule of anyone trying to keep an untarnished image concerning questions about the use of charitable funds. “Organization” did not mean in a formal sense; I know they are not formally organized. But whether formally registered or not, the same good practices apply when running a charitable operation.
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I don’t recall you demanding anything edcbyer. Maybe I read wrong, but I thought they were responding to Trudy’s demand for answers.
BlackTear, with the confidence that you’ve exuded in representing yourself, you and I were in the same position. I was just glad that I stayed out of the ‘politics’ of the group. I never did well in that area. I was just happy to do my part by raising money and awareness. I feel just as stupid not being more aware. I’m grateful for my Etsian friend for being honest with me about this post and making me aware of the dangers of the cause we were supposedly fighting for.
You are a brave person to put up with such abuse on here at times. I’m sorry you’re being villified. You really don’t deserve to be. I would probably do the same thing as you and try to defend at first if I was so involved as you.
BlackTear, you know who I’m referring to?
I was at first angry over the reselling/shilling issues
I am now heartbroken
I step away from the computer and I take this issue with me because it is in my head, I take pictures of my products and I keep asking questions in my head. I have gone to sleep wondering about this issue, I wake up and ponder the issue as I go about getting ready for the day.
I am not ok with the name calling of the supporters and former supporters, other than a couple the rest have been very very respectful and courteous. I am not for calling them dumb, ignorant, stupid, frauds, or scammers. None of that is ok.
I want her off Etsy and I do NOT comprehend why etsy will not just do it. The links prove reselling, and if you google adia Etsy will come up so not only is it the supporters and their shops it is also ETSY as a whole that is connected with this as it is mentioned in almost every Adia post on the web.
I stumbled upon the 400 supporters and I do not think I will provide a link, it is my hope that these people will stumble here on their own and then make their own decision as to whether to continue or withdraw support as many have done.
Black Tear my heart really goes out to you, I do not know who you are on Etsy but when I got to bed and when I think about this you are the one that I feel for the most as you have been fronting this from the beginning.
in case this did not go through yesterday, or was buried:
$429 USD sent to my paypal before ADIA fund paypal was opened, according to records as of early August
$575 is in the ADIA fund paypal (untouched) – this account is registered to a name and bank account that is not my own, but that of the treasurer of the group
i have receipts for $380(and change) for medical expenses.
upon the opening of the ADIA fund account, i sent $64 to it, to transfer the remaining donations.
as such – every dime of this money is accounted for. if ADIA decides to disband, the most likely use of this money will be for it to be donated (not by i, nutmeg, but another member with access to the ADIA fund account) to another charity with a similar mission.
again, i will not go into questions of my names, interests, or general slagfest histrionics. i will briefly address the reselling issue by saying that my item descriptions for the toys did not include any untruths. i indeed salvaged a great large lot of old toys. i did indeed learn how to paint them, from a master toymaker. i can indeed paint them in the Benares style – the point of a folk art, remember, is that it can be made by thousands of people over hundreds of years.
in addition to dolls in the traditional Benares patterns, i have also listed nesting dolls painted in that precise style, but with quite abstract/alternative interpretations. google cached page (nutmegclick lady abstract) or suchlike for ideas. these dolls are inactive in my shop at present not because i was ordered to remove them, but because i do not have them with me here in Nepal.
i am capable of imitating a folk art made pretty much identically by hundreds of people over generations. it’s rather a simplistic design. it interests me to learn what a people oes with their hands – and i can also use those iconoclastic elements later in my own artistic endeavours. thusly i have chosen to learn a folk craft in every country i visit – Turkish ebru, Chinese calligraphic painting, Nepali Thangka, etc.
if i have learned this technique from a man who has indtructed people in this style for some 40 years, and he has many other apprentices who create these dolls, it is not unreasonable to say that i would help him and i make money by selling large orders thru alibaba from his shop’s output. you may note that there are namy other toys offered on the alibaba shop (pull toys and the like) which i never offered in my etsy. that is because i cannot make them, was never interested in them especially. it is no stretch of logic to say that i painted the ones i have sold, and can also offer ones made by others through another venue.
but then, as i stated yesterday, this is not a rational enquiry, not logical. it is a witch-hunt.
would you like to see a video in which i take a blank doll and paint it precisely as those in my shop? naturally, i suppose you would say it was somehow falsified. this would also be something for which i should satisfy etsy upon their request, and not any particular person here.
the accusation that i have compromised any ADIA donators paypal accounts, have asked people in private convos for $5000, etc are not only hideously untrue, but it is reckless to make such statements. again, disparage me, my work, my interests all you wish – i may disagree but have no grounds upon which to try to prevent you – but to make claims of that magnitude is unjust.
the question here is whether money was ‘stolen’ in the name of ADIA. those funds, see above, have been accounted for.
if anyone cares to sort through the bulk of what passed between Trudy and myself, i have posted our convos regarding niloufer hospital and the shadowy character i was supposed to ‘be met by’ there, in a blog. it seems that some people are dedicated to spending a great deal of time posting here – i would request that, instead of forming your opinions regarding myself/trudy by an assortment of snippets extracted by her and carefully re-contextualized, you sort through the bulk of what each of us stated. i apologise that it is in reverse order; you will likely want to read it from the end-to-beginning.
http://trudydebacle.blogspot.com/
now let me address what i feel as regards the child Adia herself, and my involvement with her and her family. if i had absolutely succeeded in my mission – if Adia was absolutely well and assured of a good life – i would stand defiant in the face of anything that anyone says. internet gossip is annoying, but if i had absolutely saved a life as intended, i would gladly bear it even were the whole world against me. as it is, her fate is still uncertain despite what i and others have tried to do.
this led me to think of whether what i have done regarding Adia is ‘right’. not in the sense of fraud – i know completely that my dealings have been honest. but many people from the very beginning told me that my approach was wrong – that a ‘social condition’ like Adia cannot be solved in the way i proposed.
i have realised, though, there is another level to success. i answered a call when i became involved with Adia instead of just walking on by, and continued to give everything i was capable of in answer to that call. whether i am actually able to understand or solve social problems of that magnitude in the way expected, if one does answer such a call, i believe that it always IS effective in the world. maybe not by saving Adia in the way i imagined – maybe because her older sister will always remember how someone tried to help them and somehow make changes for the next generations of their family. maybe because the guy at the chai shop across the street saw how someone continued to perservere, and will be inspired to do a work of great import one day. when we do good, we must relinquish what we want or think ‘should’ result and allow ourselves to be used as the universe sees fit in its grander scheme.
i beleive that human misery can only be solved by absolute and complete charity – perhaps beyond the extent that many people think is appropriate. by charity i mean not only giving in the material sense, but giving in the heart – trying not to judge her family, trying to understand what they need instead of what i think they do, and all the rest. human misery is a social problem, but also one on the spiritual plane – and the spiritual plane must guide our actions here in the world. i can rationalize a great many reasons,some perhaps technically valid, why i should not give whenever and however i can. different cultures- socioeconomics- etc etc etc ad nausaem…..the fact is that the problem of human misery must be solved with the heart, in a lofty plane of ideals aplied to life, rather than with the mind in the thorny and sometimes inexplicable world of mundane reality.
every motive in my heart has been well-examined and my actions have been entirely honest. i have unravelled depths of myself to find even a trace of self-delusion or misguided intent. i have found none – therefore i stand by my actions entirely.
each donation for ADIA has been accounted for. no money has been stolen. no money has been ‘diluted’, either (please recall that ADIA was intended as a group to bring hope to the hopeless, not just one particular girl – thus my enquiry of whether ADIA would be interested in getting involved in projects in Nepal. if you are interested in how the project for Diwali/Dashain progressed, contact me).
to conclude, again i say that you may debate anything you wish about who i am – but not that i have stolen money intended for ADIA. that is wholly untrue and hard facts back up what i have stated in this regard.
anyone who wishes to rationally discuss salient facts in further detail is still welcome to contact me at the provided address above.
I appreciate the statement, and thank you for posting it.
As much as I accept it, I won’t buy from your shop or support any of your efforts. To be dragged into this kind of situation is not what I wanted.
This lesson has taught me to deal with official charities, rather than people who have ‘shady pasts’. I’ll keep sending my $35 a month to Pornpanit, my World Vision sponsor child in Thailand.
Good luck to you, Nutmeg, and to ‘Adia’, I do hope that the gods smile down upon her and give her a chance. Other than that, I will do no more for her if your name is associated with it.
Be well, Nutmeg, and hopefully this lesson will teach you how to represent yourself a little more accurately.
Before I go, I wanted to let everyone know that I have removed all posts regarding ADIA and anything associated on my blog, for the privacy and protection of those artists formerly associated who choose to remain anonymous.
http://designbycassandra.blogspot.com
I’m out.
Nutmeg, I skimmed through that new blog of yours. You kept saying that no one had heard of you at the hospital.
Of course they hadn’t! My understanding, based on the convoes, was that the guy was supposed to very discreetly observe you in action with the child BEFORE he made himself available to you. You refused to allow that observation; that refusal was very, very, very fishy (reeking of lying about the child’s existence). So the guy didn’t want to risk his reputation on what appeared to be a scam. And no one knew you.
Do the receipts indicate that the patient is this child? If so, why don’t you scan them (or take a photo) and post it?
You claim to have given money to the beggar parents as well. Where is that expense in your list, above? Did you use the proceeds from your own charity listings, “forgetting” that the treasurer should know about that money?
As for your nesting dolls: I believe that you are able to paint them. However, I don’t believe that you’ve “rescued” and painted each and every set you’ve had for sale. I firmly believe that you are reselling them.
Nutmeg, for God’s sake, stop lying to these people. If your item in your shop were legit you would not have a picture of a fake sewing machine in your listing that not only has no needle or thread but not even a spindle to stick a spool of thread on. How do you sew on that thing? Painting toys? Explain how you completetly changed the entire shape and contour of that nesting doll in that one link to your sold nesting dolls that I left. It started out one shape with a rim around the bottom, and ended up smooth and cylyndrical and rimless. Why go to all that effort not mention this is an impossible feat. You can buy those nesting dolls in knick knack shops all over the damn place. Stacey would have paid a lot less for them just ordering them off the internet at one of the places that supplies them or sells them rather than from you, it would have been cheaper. Even your item descriptions though flowery were all made up embellished lies. If you sew a dress yourself then why did you not take the measurements of the person who cannot get their refund from you now so you could make it her size like your listing said and instead you just said you were sending her a dress without taking measurements as you figured “you both were about the same size”. Internet gossip, huh? Is that or is it not your naked ass sexually romping around for public persusal and hunting for sex on the internet because it is you and your naked ass and it isn’t gossip, Nice speech, but a lot of human misery could be ended if people like you stopped lying and taking advantage of honest people to live off ot them. Maybe your misery can improve if charitable people send you their money, isn’t that what you really mean? You do have problems not only social but otherwise as well. You area liar, a reseller, a fake, a scammer, and that is just the tip of the ice berg, and I know it pisses you and that husband of yours the hell off that I know this and you know it too. You are capabable of imitating a lot of things, folk art may or may not be included.
Why are you being negged for non delivery, why force people to file paypal disputes, why no money for refunds, why refuse to commuicate with your buyers, and oddly why is my google analytics for my blog showing so many hits from Atlanta, remember the city you are in according to your artfire shop?
Also, I am removing Adia Aunty names from all of my Adia Aunty posts one by one as they contact me to say they are done with this. All they have to do is hit my contact me link on my blog and ask to have their name takedn off because they are thru. Until then, with all this info available, if people still decide to cohort with you on this foolish endeaveor then their name should be attached to it if they are confident it is legit.
Oddly Etsy added this to their new do’s and don’ts site rules
Charitable listings and shops
DOs and DON’Ts > Shops and listings > Charitable listings and shops
Etsy understands that members may wish to participate in fundraising for charitable organizations and causes. Charitable fundraising is subject to many laws, and unfortunately, there exist unsavory people who may attempt to take advantage of your good will. Therefore, for the protection of our community, Etsy has established some policies regarding charitable listings and shops. Members participate in charitable fundraising at their own risk.
•Members represent that any charitable fundraising complies with all applicable laws.
•A seller who engages in charitable fundraising on behalf of a recognized tax-deductible charitable organization (for example: 501(c)(3) status or equivalent with the IRS, similar legally-recognized non-U.S. charitable organization) must receive appropriate consent from the charitable organization.
•The seller must include clear information about the organization and donation details in the listing and/or Public Profile.
•Listings created solely to solicit for donations are not permitted. All listings on Etsy must be for a tangible item available for sale.
•Members must comply with all policies, including Etsy’s Community and Conversations policies. Members must not send unsolicited donation requests.
•A charitable shop involving multiple people must comply with all applicable rules concerning collective shops.
Members who do not comply with Etsy’s policies may be subject to review, which can result in suspension of account privileges and/or termination. If Etsy removes an item listing for violating Etsy policy, the seller is still obligated to pay the listing fee for that item. Suspended or terminated members remain obligated to pay Etsy for all unpaid fees per our Terms of Use.
As far as your new trudy debacle blog nutsack, now you know why trudy did not give you her friend’s name, because as I pointed out, unlike your acid dropping, flower sniffing, tree hugging, naked picture posting, chai swilling, hippy ass, he is most likely a professional person , and had she given you his name it would now be plastered all over your blog, wouldn’t it? I mean she tried to help you and Adia, tried to give you the help you seemd to be so desperately seeking, and look how you have villified her so far. She even almost lost this friends’ friendship for sending him on a wild goose chase chasing your ass. And if anyone should have been scared to meet anyone it should have been him, from the shit I have seen posted about yourself by yourself all over the internet, and I don’t blame him for wanting to observe your ass from a far first, you are one wacked out individual and I question your mental stability along with your morals and honesty. Do you really think you are helping yourself here? Stick a fork in ya, you’re done. I feel sorry for your daughter and the things she has and most likely will observe from having the unfortunate circumstance of being born to you, and I don’t hold out a lot of hope for her turning out with a good moral character if she has you and your old man as role models to learn from. I pray for her.
Stay tuned for all the Adia Aunties to be blogged about as they jump shit one by one. What a fucking despicable person you are nutmeg. You have never fooled me for one second, neither you or that red headed curr of husband of yours who goes around making full of seriously ill people. I hope you both rot in hell.
OMG! Give it up already Nutmeg! After all these questions, over and over and over, when you finally answer it is with an “if”
WTF?
Quote from nut’s post above:
……..if i have learned this technique from a man who has indtructed people in this style for some 40 years,
……. it is no stretch of logic to say that i painted the ones i have sold, and can also offer ones made by others through another venue.
If you learned?
Also my logic doesn’t stretch that way.
RESELLER! RESELLER! RESELLER!
Karma is a wonderful thing.
This not only stretches logic, it defies it.
As usual after days to think what to write Nutmeg comes up with a long spiel that says very little
Was the money provided by drdjc included in that accounting, she said it was a substantial amount
Doesn’t address the identical bags being sold or the other items she sells that people gave links to manufacturers etc
No mention about all the people still waiting for what they bought or their money refunded, credit where its due no blame of the Indian postal service either
All we are told is that she -can- paint dolls (so can I) and as far as my interpretation of what she is saying she had a go at painting them at the workshop that supplies their wholesale business. At least she never had the nerve to attempt to claim that every one she has been selling from the -Ganges Find- was painted by herself entirely or in part. One of them might have been the one she painted in the workshop while she was having a go seems to sum it up
The story will probably be good enough for the gullible Etsy Content Team who have allowed far worse
As to the poor little child whose name isn’t Adia or Vicki but whatever her family calls her
No difference has been made to her life and I see little information other than she was visited and played with while Nutmeg had time to spare for her before she moved on and the family probably now believe Americans are very strange
No information about whether she is still alive or what is happening to her, did you forget to mention something as unimportant as that Nutmeg, something everyone would be interested to know but please don’t make anything up to please everyone if you have no idea yourself
Trudy must be relieved not to have given her friend’s name seeing now how Nutmeg posts every intimate detail of her life on the web for all to find and read for years to come
It has puzzled me all along why nobody knew Nutmeg at the niloufer hospital as I understood she had taken the child there the previous week and made a big fuss when visiting her the next day and not finding her because she eventually discovered the family had taken her out and been given the money paid for her care which was quite a substantial amount
Why didn’t they remember Nutmeg from that visit because they can’t see many like her at the hospital
To sum up, another BULL SHIT post by the Queen of BS
I was under the impression that Adia was in hospital and had gained 1.5 kgs. Is this true or not?
I was under the impression that Adia was being looked after by a family friend of the Nutmegs. Is this true or not?
I was under the impression that the hospital treatment and the treatment for her family, schooling for the chldren and hospital care for the pregnant monther was now all going to be free. Is this true or not?
PD – i don’t need to explain my blogs or etsy posts or ideological stances. i am sorry to say this in what may seem like a flippant way – for i suppose you think you are in the right and thus doing a good thing with all of this – but whether i support squatting or knew activist kids who shoplifted for this-or-that reason when i was sixteen and do not condemn that by rote, is all irrelevant.
if i think we should all live in a barter-based society and an a radical anarchist paying a pan flute on your front lawn while shouting ‘do they owe us a living’ (probably won’t catch the reference), that DOES NOT mean i am a dishonest person or have stolen money from Adia’s cause.
because, again….all the money is accounted for. if no other reason will suffice, that one rather MUST.
nor am i a reseller because i posted a picture of my daughter playing with my disassembled sewing machine because the colours co-ordinated with her dress. anyone who cares to see the quite functional and rather awesome indeed machine can do so here http://pop-india.blogspot.com/2009/05/sewing-shakti.html
and hey, if you poke around THAT blog a bit, you will find OTHER blogs which you’ll likely not enjoy. here, i shall start you off: http://ismism.tumblr.com/
but then, the way i write, or why i like to make weird snippets of text by translating it betwixt several languages (a’la ‘june laelea’), is as irrelevant as can be. i guess i like to get really, really high on cross-linguistics…but no matter.
trudy – i asked you over, and over, and over to at least tell me your friend’s name, or a general clue to his identity, and exactly where to met him (or the ‘people’ into which he blossomed). you told me that ‘people who were watching me from afar would know my appearance’. well, my rather conspicuous appearance was all over Niloufer on the very day you told me to go there, and was also asking every member of the staff i could find for anyone who had heard of me. i even spoke to the doctor, whom i shall not mention here, who you referenced on the forums as being appraised of the situation. i also pleaded with you to just put me in direct contact with these resources you claimed were extant.
if someone online was telling me to basically deliver a child to someone, and said things like ‘i do not know who they are. i only know what i am told to say – i guess because i am humanitarian of the year!’, i would be a very negligent person to not inquire further. in any case, i did take myself to this place, and no-one at this hospital had heard of any of this, nor of the very abundant resources you claimed.
i have never had a straight answer from you for this. if the eventual result of this snafu with Niloufer is that i owe a full account of my entire background to random folks on the internet, could you possibly tell me WHY that was not arranged in a more rational way? i am still hoping to believe it was just shoddy internet miscommunication somehow – but h truly it seems a bit beyond that.
to those who think i deliberately invented or exploited Adia, i cannot say anything to you. you are convinced thusly, and i cannot give a flawless account of a chaotic and confusing situation. i know, those who were there know, and those truly fit to judge us know what did indeed occur.
the money that i gave to Adia’s family directly was out of my own pocket. the donated money was used for medical bills. i have given a to-the-number account of that money. all of the donated money is either in an account for the ADIA fund, untouched, attached to a bank account other than my own, or accounted for my medical receipts. if you want to see them, again you may contact me. if i posted them here, i would have to remove every bit of information which shows what they are.
In reply to Lexie the answer probably is
Yes if you want it to be
“I was under the impression that Adia was in hospital and had gained 1.5 kgs. Is this true or not?”
yes.
“I was under the impression that Adia was being looked after by a family friend of the Nutmegs. Is this true or not?”
yes.
“I was under the impression that the hospital treatment and the treatment for her family, schooling for the chldren and hospital care for the pregnant monther was now all going to be free. Is this true or not?”
this is being addressed in Hyderabad.
(from prior comment)
“Trudy must be relieved not to have given her friend’s name seeing now how Nutmeg posts every intimate detail of her life on the web for all to find and read for years to come.”
if i am expected to give names, dates, amounts, etc, trudy should have given me the name of who i was supposed to met – even if just so i could FIND them, or they me. if he was put to such great inconvenience, he should have been given my mobile number at the very least. or perhaps one of these people trudy contacted could have found the child in the Abid’s district of downtown Hyderabad across from the GPO – another piece of information she had at her disposal.
in any case, when i posted the convos between myself and trudy, all people other than she and myself are called ‘name removed’. i am uncertain why these doctors should not have had their names mentioned, but i am expected to make public record of specific details about a great many things (my friends in Hyderabad, to begin with).
quickly, because believe what you will, there are frequent power-cuts and shoddy netcafes here:
i have not mentioned Adia’s condition here and will not do so in the future. this is not the appropriate forum. again, anyone interested can email the same address they’ve all had for quite some time now. if you are interested in a child’s condition and not feeding a slag-fest, then email would be an appropriate medium of communication.
nor will i address here a great many questions raised about my ideas, interests, or circumstances of my life, but one question remains for me – can anyone tell me why i’m still being accused of stealing money when it’s been shown exactly where that money is?
LOL
What responsible, self respecting doctor who cares an iota about his professional image would want his name entombed on the internet forever on nutjob’s pathetic hater blog and connected even remotely to crap like her trolling the internet for sex and tripping balls so bad she can’t even type and asking stuff like she did on her one blog if drugs hurt fetuses because she wants to do some while pregnat and crap. Can you imagine being a professsional person and having someone google your name and coming across a bunch of stuff like this thread, my own blog, and nutbag’s crazy shit?
I mean at least we are names like PussDaddy and Seriously? and hmmm, so who the hell is going to know who we are anyway, but if I announce I am Dr. John P. PussDaddy M.D. then this shit is going to come up if you google that.
On your spreadsheet you have close to Rs.13000 for Gifts, food and clothing. ($280).
You don’t mind posting ad nauseum about trudy trying to get what few people who can still stomach you to hate her nutmeg and making a slag fest as you put it out of that, do ya? Plus you lay it all out there when looing for sex on the internet and now you are suddenly gun shy to discuss your personal life when I have seen your nipples and cooter and you tongueing a male/female? up close and personal. Maybe you are being accused of stealing because as as seller you do not deliver, do not communciate, and have no money in fucking paypal according to people to refund their money. That has a way of making people feel as thought they got ripped off.
Why the fuck do you need gifts and food and clothing to help a starving kid? What were you eating and wearign before and why do you deserve gifts?
These people are not taking in money nutmeg, they are giving it and their time and effort. You have a greater responsibility of disclosing things than they do.
You took on the responstibility of having to disclose this kind of stuff when you started asking people for money.
Before you started asking everyone for money no one really gave a fuck about you one way or the other to know your personal business. You did this to you, we didn’t just wake up one day saying omg we need to know all about nutmegclick. Don’t try to play the put upon victim. Please.
trolling the internet for sex
EXPLAIN.
and tripping balls so bad she can’t even type
EXPLAIN.
and asking stuff like she did on her one blog if drugs hurt fetuses because she wants to do some while pregnat and crap
EXPLAIN.
this is to bloody far. i’ve not really had much to say about the character-slander previously, but seriously.
‘I have seen your nipples and cooter and you tongueing a male/female? up close and personal’
show me. explain.
this was about money on etsy.
money is accounted for.
lexie, $280 (more than that in the end) is of our own.
OMG..Nutmeg…this stems from my not giving you the Dr.’s name…? The friend that I talked to regarding reporting you no longer has a shop on Etsy….I did warn her, but she said that she’s done. No one knows her. She was pretty much a lurker. She said that she compiled her own info way before the shit hit the fan she has her own beb site now and is making $.
I have got to go to work. Nutmeg. I don’t know what to say. If you are putting this on me because I did not give you a name, then I just don’t know what you want from me.
I am going to work…Trudy
Thankyou for the explanation Nutmeg.
Maybe it would behoove you to read my blog.
Or even this thread.
Here is your trolling the internet for sex. This isn’t you?
http://pussdaddyblogs.blogspot.com/2009/10/see-nutmegclick-troll-internet-looking.html
http://pussdaddyblogs.blogspot.com/2009/10/more-of-nutmegclick-than-we-should-ever.html
Trippin’ balls. If you weren’t trippin’ you should seriously see a pshychiatrist
http://junelaela.blogspot.com/
Nutmeg…I will not go to your thread. I do not have the stomach to do so. I am sure that uludag will show up sooner or later….I will be typing only here…I just want to get on with my life without this drama in it. How can we make this happen?
I can’t locate the one right now where youwhere you appear to be pregnant and pose the drug/fetus question and your belief that it won’t hurt it, but I am sure one of my blog readers can point it out to me again. Then there is the blog where your husband mentions being on smack.
So is that or is that not you? Because you have the Auntys believing you are shy and resevered, and that doesn’t aappear to be the case. One cannot be willing to meet strangers off the internet for casual sex yet at the same time be too shy and reserved to talk to people on a phone or meet a respected person a such as a dotor. Does that make sense to you?
See, we are not on drugs. I used to be but they rot your brain so I quit a long time ago, like a decade ago, which is why I remember who the hell I am , where I am , and what the hell I posted on internet. We know more about you than you know or remember about yourself.
Nutmeg? M’dear?
I liked your pics so much I saved them to my computer.
Nutty? Meggy?
Puss the power must be down in Atlanta
PussDaddy says “What responsible, self respecting doctor who cares an iota about his professional image would want his name entombed on the internet forever on nutjob’s pathetic hater blog and connected even remotely to crap like her trolling the internet for sex and tripping balls so bad she can’t even type and asking stuff like she did on her one blog if drugs hurt fetuses because she wants to do some while pregnat and crap. Can you imagine being a professsional person and having someone google your name and coming across a bunch of stuff like this thread, my own blog, and nutbag’s crazy shit?”
x
Are you thinking people like Rahul and his uncle Sagar Dhara especially if he is the same Sagar Dhara who is with UNEP assuming these people exist in Nutmeg’s life and really are the ones she claims are taking care of the child in Hyderabad while she is tripping off on other things
She put their names out in web land for a while long enough for a lot of people to see
Who knows? My diet is sadly lacking. If I were say, eating the rich, maybe I would have the capacity to answer that one.
Maybe she’s Eating Rahul too. OOPS! Wrong movie. That was a comedy. This is a drama.
huuuuzaaah pussydaddy..
maybe to help the situation
try just sitting back. cause your lil trolling
isn’t helping. your bullying isn’t helping.
i know im not the only one that feels this way.
so complain about how posting to this blog is annoying and
go blog about something else.
PussDaddy you are an idiot
Those sex images are all the result of someone doing some super Ninja cropping of Nutmeg’s face onto them
Of course they are
Nutmeg is shy
Or could the real reason she doesn’t want to talk on the phone be because she can’t think of the answers fast enough
More time to think on line
Convenient power cuts give extra thinking time on line when questions are really difficult
Some answers take days
Jeanne says “OMG! Give it up already Nutmeg! After all these questions, over and over and over, when you finally answer it is with an “if”
WTF?
Quote from nut’s post above:
……..if i have learned this technique from a man who has indtructed people in this style for some 40 years,
……. it is no stretch of logic to say that i painted the ones i have sold, and can also offer ones made by others through another venue.
If you learned?
Also my logic doesn’t stretch that way.
RESELLER! RESELLER! RESELLER!
Karma is a wonderful thing.”
X
You are right Jeanne her replies were even more evasive than I originally realized
If I have learned to make a dress in China or from a Chinese dress maker it is no stretch of logic to say that I sewed the hundred Chinese dresses I have for sale in my shop today
WJW I never need to replace the needle and thread in my sewing machine again
I’d be interested in seeing all this scandalous “sex, drugs and rock n roll” kinda stuff. Link me Troll?
Seeing as it pretty much your most important character flaw in regards to people.
When did Meatloaf kick your groupie ass off the tour?
While reading some of the links on PussDaddy blog I noticed the Nutmeg poetry posts and thought of you Moon
“While reading some of the links on PussDaddy blog I noticed the Nutmeg poetry posts and thought of you Moon”
….and that means?
Well, I went to My debacle (sp) page and sidn’t see any comments..am I missing anything? Really…
Nutmeg..It’s over. Just admit that you are a reseller and that you did not want my friend involved. I was attempting in my own way to warn you to get records in order, contact info etc.
You can not put stuff on the internet twitter, facebook, my space, news organizations, etc. without accounting for the money. People are going to be looking at it very carefully.
I was trying to warn you.
The gentleman that was brainstorming with my friend was affiliated with an agency that could help. I wanted to give you a heads up.
I can not imagine at this point what you want from me? I have wasted far to much time, money and energy on this.
I wanted to get involved. I arranged for my connection. It fell through. Uludag was a low blow by anyone’s standards. I was lambasted by droves of your supporters.
I have not mentioned your daughter, your religion, your reselling (that I remember) etc.
I have stuck to my topic only. My friend. Everything that I have had to say has been addressed ad nauseum.
My heart continues to go out to the supporters.
I have learned a very valuable lesson. Not to get involved in the first place. Now I know why Good Samamartian (sp) laws are written.
OMG everyone is someone else! RUN!
Here’s the gaggle coming to defend mother goose.
eyemohini Says:
October 21, 2009 at 6:34 am
“While reading some of the links on PussDaddy blog I noticed the Nutmeg poetry posts and thought of you Moon”
….and that means?
X
Duh
It means while reading Nutmeg’s rambling nonsense poetry I thought of Moon
Did you leave your brain cell in bed this morning or are the words too long for you
I am not sure if I can defend myself against eyemohini’s powerful onslaught . STOP BULLYING MEEEEEEeeeee! LOL
I’m defending somebody?
Where’s my golden egg?
Links?
How can we stop this drama? Seriously..What needs to be done to stop it.
Eyemohin are you fucking blind? I posted the links to nutsack. Look for them yourself.
1132 posts. Link me again. You got time. I can feel it.
Plenty of time.
trudy Says:
October 21, 2009 at 6:51 am
How can we stop this drama? Seriously..What needs to be done to stop it.
X
Stop posting walk away and ignore it as it dies you don’t have to watch the final twitching
We had to look for it so you make an effort and look for it yourself. I’m not linking you to jack shit. Read my blog, give it some views. Read this thread. Click some links.The info is there for those who look fo it. I’m not here to babysit and tit feed your ass. Nice thry though.
pussdaddyblogs Says:
October 21, 2009 at 6:55 am
Eyemohin are you fucking blind? I posted the links to nutsack. Look for them yourself.
X
Post the link to the photos Puss, eyemohini wants to slobber on the screen
An invite to your blog? Pass. Seen it, done it. Familiar words when Meatloaf booted you?
Babysit? Aw, baby you sit all day.
I prefer to let eyehomo stew in his own juices. He can click on some links or something.. Moon Unit Fuckwad can sit here with him. I have a nap to take. *yawn* *stretch* *yawn some more*
Where has Moon gone, is she putting some more words together in a semi-coherent string
Don’t bother to ask for a translation of that eyemohini, I agree with PussDaddy you can do some work for yourself
You are lucky to take a nap Puss
I’m sorting out with my Chinese supplier what colors will sell best this winter
My supplier says will genuine old master paintings sell on Etsy
I will be back later to see if anyone wants to pre-order any, he can do large quantities of any of them so no limits
See ya later not really surprised. Everyone else feel free to skull fuck eyehomo while we take a nap.
notreallysurprised..great advice! I will lurk for awhile. I just don’t want to be accused of not answering Nutmeg over on her thread. If there is any relevant someone let me know. I see to comments over there.
poop. It should read I still no comments over there!
Sorry, had to get get my ears cleaned.
I know you’ve missed me oh so much. Trolls eat alot don’t they?
I enjoy the back-n-forth about how you people are just after nutmeg, but continue to attack the people directly who support the group that formed.
Are you the same morons yelling at people in in “town halls” on Fox?
I guess, I’ll say this. From experience with a few individuals here, they like to criticize what they don’t understand and the creative endeavors of others in attempt to justify their continued trolling.
I have no excuse. Other than trolls need food, and I like feeding wild animals from afar.
“eyehomo”
Aww, sweet, I’m a “homo”. You continue to expose your personal hangups to me. It’s sweet, I feel really trusted by you that you’re willing to share these kinds of things with me.
Please, continue to show you true colors.
OMG isn’t Glen Beck so cute!
I just finished reading the new nutmeg blog–interesting that Trudy states there that she has copies of 6 convos from Nutmeg soliciting others to donate money, and offered them to her as proof..I’m curious if Nutmeg is denying that she ever convoed people asking for donations?
I just finished reading the new nutmeg blog–interesting that Trudy states there that she has copies of 6 convos from Nutmeg soliciting others to donate money, and offered them to her as proof..I’m wondering if Nutmeg is denying that she ever convoed people asking for donations?
Thanks Nutmeg.
If I were you I would not bother returning. You’ve answered the only relevant questions. They choose not to believe you.
Which was what I expected.
Leave Puss and her two followers talking to themselves. They’re just making themselves look stupid at this point.
Karina,
Copies mean nothing, screen shots are proof.
What is her new blog?
Anon says “Leave Puss and her two followers talking to themselves. They’re just making themselves look stupid at this point.”
Not as stupid as those who continue to support a reseller who doesn’t even care about her customers getting what they bought and paid for
How many more of those are there
We know people hate leaving bad feedback because they feel mean or are frightened of retaliation especially when the seller has a cult following in the forum
She had to have uludag leave some good feedback to help redress the balance for the bad she had got before
He needs to go shopping again
Hi there eyemohini
Has your brain cell woken up yet
“Has your brain cell woken up yet”
Why thank you for asking! Yes it has.
Have you done anything constructive today? How bout artistic? Is this the closest you get to dealing with people?
1152. anon Says:
October 21, 2009 at 9:37 am
Karina,
Copies mean nothing, screen shots are proof.
_______
True. The fact that Trudy offered to send them to her though makes me believe she *does* have screen shots.
My question though still remains if Nutmeg is flat-out denying that she ever asked people for donations thru convos because she never responded to that part of Trudy’s message to her, yet responded to every other point raised.
Lexie Says:
October 21, 2009 at 9:45 am
What is her new blog?
X
To save you reading thousands of words mostly wasted or maybe you struggle with reading like eyemohini does
http://trudydebacle.blogspot.com/
eyemohini Says:
October 21, 2009 at 9:49 am
“Has your brain cell woken up yet”
Why thank you for asking! Yes it has.
Have you done anything constructive today? How bout artistic? Is this the closest you get to dealing with people
X
Of course i’ve done something constructive and very artistic and I have been dealing with my Chinese supplier I already mentioned that
I will be stocking my shop on Saturday
Lovely Chinese dresses possibly sewn by me just like the one I made on my visit to the factory
Original old master oil paintings (posted when the paint is dry)
PS. Please don’t click on the link above (as link tampering is already an issue here), but type the whole thing out in your address bar at the top of your screen.
Not Really Surprised Says:
To save you reading thousands of words mostly wasted or maybe you struggle with reading like eyemohini does
Hey – what have I done to upset you?
Thank you for the link anyway.
I am convinced that nothing would be accepted by you idiots as concrete proof because you do not want to admit you are wrong. If it were on the evening news you wouldn’t acccept it. You saw how fast nutball left when she started her itemizing and Exlain! crap and we started itemizing and explaining. She sent her eyehominy in to talk for her, and he isn’t doing an impressive job either.
I read NM’s post yesterday almost as soon as it went up had to re-read a few times.
SO you say you are not a reseller, yet your listings for these nesting dolls spoke of a man throwing away these toys and how you lovingly salvaged them and restored them? How sweet, YET you state that it is unreasonable to say that you did not help a toymaker make money by selling thousands of these things?
So which is it? Did you salvage “a lot” from a fiery death or do you “help make money” by selling thousands?
Oh and just so you know with the Etsy TOS and Do’s and Don’ts revisions Restored items are not considered handmade, bummer.
# Simply tailoring, restoring or repairing an item is not considered handmade.
#
***Please, would 5 or 6 of you contact Word Press Support for me at http://en [dot] support [dot] wordpress [dot] com/contact and tell them:
1) that the http link to the Etsy forum closed thread link on my EdCByer blog is still redirecting to Nutmeg’s Coriandr shop
2) that I don’t know if my 3 emails to them about this have actually reached them: I received two suspicious emails in a totally unrelated (non-Etsy) business account of mine yesterday, as well as a message from my Yahoo email account (connected to my Paypal account) that my account may have been compromised. As a result, I’ve had all my email passwords reset.
3) Please ask Word Press support to contact me via the email account I registered my edcbyer blog with. Someone skilled with Internet security issues will be there to respond.
And, at the risk of being obnoxious, I’m going to keep posting this in here until I can see by your responses in here that you can read this post.
Many, many thanks, guys.
I think Etsy had Nutcase in mind when they wrote up a lot of those new and revised TOU
When I have finished lunch I’m going to put some paint on a brush and pose for a photo holding it to a finished painting so I can prove the old masters were painted by me if any SOB flags my listings at the weekend
Then I’m going to smear paint all over my gf and drag her around a canvas on the floor
Not to prove anything, that’s only for pleasure, I might be gone for a while
“I am convinced that nothing would be accepted by you idiots as concrete proof because you do not want to admit you are wrong. If it were on the evening news you wouldn’t acccept it. You saw how fast nutball left when she started her itemizing and Exlain! crap and we started itemizing and explaining. She sent her eyehominy in to talk for her, and he isn’t doing an impressive job either.”
Since you’re such a good detective. Please provide me with proof somebody, and lets say Nutmeg specifically, sent me here.
Whats the possibility that I stumbled upon this blog with WordPress’ “view random blog” feature and I found a troll worthy of my attention?
Maybe Glen Beck can find out, he’s such a good reporter. And not in the least a “homo”.
I can read your post edcbyer, but I just got my passwords changed myself and if you clicked links and it got screwed up then it probably isn’t wise for us to click . Have you run a computer scan? That will usually remove any malware that is causing a redirect like you are talking about.
Thanks for the reply, PD! Yes, no clicking links…that’s why I posted it written out with the brackets, and asked folks to type it into their address bar.
Has anyone heard of the word “phishing”?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing
It’s when spammers send out email pretending to be valid business’ to gather your private data.
Yea, WordPress and PayPal have NEVER been used by individuals for phishing. Never.
I’m hear for you baby, you live for my attention, you know it.
Keep calling me a homo, it gets me hot.
eyemohini Says:
“I am convinced that nothing would be accepted by you idiots as concrete proof because you do not want to admit you are wrong. If it were on the evening news you wouldn’t acccept it. You saw how fast nutball left when she started her itemizing and Exlain! crap and we started itemizing and explaining. She sent her eyehominy in to talk for her, and he isn’t doing an impressive job either.”
Since you’re such a good detective. Please provide me with proof somebody, and lets say Nutmeg specifically, sent me here.
If she did then it would seem she is clutching at straws and doing her case no good whatsoever.
Her case? Her case is that I’m some uber spy sent in behind enemy lines?
EdC – I sent a copy of your post via the support page since my email program wouldn’t recognize the address you supplied. (yes, I replaced dot with . ) What I didn’t do is supply them with your blog link, though, so I hope they can find you.
edcbyer. I completed what was asked. I will let you know the minute I know something….
You hand type in edcbyers instruction
Go to support (you not have to be signed in to do this)
edcbuyer I indicated “general” Did you want us to indicate another topic. I just thought of that. I can change it if it will get read faster. Trudy
eyemohini Says:
October 21, 2009 at 10:33 am
I’m hear for you baby, you live for my attention, you know it.
Keep calling me a homo, it gets me hot.
X
You probably get excited if anyone calls you a homo sapiens and acknowledges you as part of the human race
I’m loving my lunch break today
For God’s sake, climb off your talking head “soap box”.
eyemohini Says:
October 21, 2009 at 10:35 am
Her case? Her case is that I’m some uber spy sent in behind enemy lines?
X
I thought you said your brain cell was awake
She obviously means Nutcase isn’t doing her case any good if she had to send you
I also noted that the numbers are screwed up, I left off at a specific post since I had read to the end, left the page open on the tab and came back sometime later, renoted the post I last read and then refreshed the page. The number of the post I left off of did not correspond with the last post I had read.
In other words, I left off at post 1137 which said one thing, refreshed and 1137 was a different post and the post I last read was numbered 1139.
I hope that clarified it somewhat.
Lol, nice save on the “homosapien”. But really, we all know what was intended. Don’t be afraid of those tendencies. Stop taking it out on others and just switch hit that bitch already!
Is Glen Beck on yet?
Nutmeg, Trudy’s friend wanted to observe you and the child from a distance before giving you his name. That’s a perfectly reasonable request given the number of beggar scams occurring there (like cutting off children’s limbs and sending them out to beg).
All we have right now is your word that the child exists and that you took her to the hospital. Unfortunately, your word is not enough.
Your past internet activities show you to be a bit of a flake – for example, you believe that it’s ok to steal from large companies, and you husband spells your name wrong.
Your current shop activites call your word into question also. Your artfire shop says you’re in the us but your etsy shop says india – and you’re apparently in nepal. Your birthdates are different in different places. Some of your items on etsy were listed as shipping from the us, others said india. You’re receiving negative feedback for not shipping things, and you’re not refunding anything. You don’t declare all of your etsy shops in each shop.
If that weren’t enough, you’re reselling those dolls and possibly other things, and you’ve got shilling feedback.
All of that together means that it is not possible to take you at your word. Proof is required. But when you’re asked for proof of the child’s existence or to back up your statements, you say you can’t provide it. Or you evade the question entirely, or you get defensive and accusatory.
For example, why do you have to remove all of the important information from the hospital receipts to show them? That doesn’t make sense. What types of information have to be removed?
If you give reasons for not providing proof, they don’t always make sense (like the receipts, above).
You must not only tell the truth about the child, the money, the doctors, your location; you must also appear to tell the truth.
“She obviously means….”
Yea, words, on the internet, always so clear with intent.
Can we really play the ‘shilling’ card here? Not to get nit picky, and certainly not to defend, but don’t a lot of people encourage friends and family to purchase through our Etsy shops?
I realize where this is all coming from, it appears that she is using a friend to purchase (or appear to purchase) and then leave feedback, and that is technically shilling, to inflate sales and feedback artificially, but unless it’s her own shop doing the purchasing, it’s pretty hard to prove. It’s all speculation, really.
I believe there is adequate proof of reselling, and a definite intention to deceive, and there are plenty of other questionable practices that lead one to speculate that everything is not on the up and up, but I just don’t feel there is adequate ‘proof’ that shilling occurred, even though I would suspect it based on a number of factors. Circumstantial evidence is usually not enough to convict.
Good questions, Chantelle.
eyemohini. I have been very patient up until now. I do not understand why you are here. I have not read one relevant thing that you have added. Please either add or lurk. Thank you. You are only hurting NM.
Wow. I read some of NM statement. “and you were asked to turn over that child to them. ”
Never, ever did I ask NM to turn this child over to anyone. Never!
@Trudy, thank you for sending my request to support!
@Windy, thank you, too! What you posted is interesting, though not surprising, to me:
“EdC – I sent a copy of your post via the support page since my email program wouldn’t recognize the address you supplied. (yes, I replaced dot with . ) What I didn’t do is supply them with your blog link, though, so I hope they can find you.”
In that my internet has been apparently completely compromised, (which is why I cannot use any of my personal accounts, now), it does not surprise me that the address showing on my end is not valid. I’ve not said this before, and this may just be a highly unusual coincidence, but I have reason to believe that Nicholas Avirett may have attended Grinnell College’s Computer Science program, and is adept, unfortunately with black-hatting. Please check this link, all, and tell me if you still see his surname on this class roster from Spring 2009, in Weinman’s class. My computer will not take me to that link any longer:
www [dot] cs [dot] grinnell [dot] edu [slash]~weinman [slash] courses [slash] CSC207 [slash] 2009S [slash] assignments [slash] surnames
Professor Jerod Weinman’s business contact info:
Asst. Professor, Dept. of Computer Science
Grinnell College
1116 8th Ave.
Grinnell, Iowa 50112
weinman [at] grinnell [dot] edu
Phone: 641-269-9812
Fax: 641-269-4285
(I tried calling, but he was not available at the moment.)
edc. I tried and tried. rechecked my spelling to match yours. I did get the link. It just keeps saying:
“oops this link appears to be broken.”
I too am not having much luck, edc.
Also, my webhost also had a moment (or rather a couple hours) of weirdness as well early, early Tuesday morning.
It could just be some jackass with a totally unrelated agenda.
hi blacktear. I am sorry this is unfolding like this. I know that you all did it from caring about Adia. I feel bad for all who got involved. (Me included, trust me!) Trudy
Hmmm. Well, thanks for trying, and again…interesting that the link is now broken, as I went to it with no trouble yesterday via a different computer. I can’t remember if I saw ‘Avirett’ on this 2009 class list–but it seems Nicholas Sheram Avirett was a friend and classmate with a certain someone, a someone who went to Grinnell and was in that particular class.
Nothing but well wishes, Trudy.
EdC – perhaps your security dude can contact my webhost to see if there’s any connection: info[at]hostingone.ca
Must run to work… missed yesterday due to this.
Black Tear, I just want to say, I wish there was some way I could get to know you; you are a spectacular person for continuing to come in here and trying to honestly help, despite some abusive, undeserved comments earlier. Thank you.
You know it makes me sick that this is happenning to you edc. They are doing something pretty serious to redirect your information to the coriander shop. I put nothing past them. That is kind of the last straw .
Black Tear, I’ll pass your info along. My security person also works a full-time IT job, and is doing what is possible, but it’s taking time. (Which is why your help is so appreciated in here, all).
Thanks, Trudy (and a hug your way, too). Frankly, I’m puzzled how either side of this issue benefits from that link redirection; it doesn’t make sense, when you think about it. But it definitely appears that someone out in cybersphere is doing a bit of black-hatting with me right now, for whatever reason. (And maybe with others, here, too.)
(Black-hatting=using internet technology illegally.)
“eyemohini. I have been very patient up until now. I do not understand why you are here. I have not read one relevant thing that you have added. Please either add or lurk. Thank you. You are only hurting NM.”
Really? You’re gonna single me out even though I haven’t called anyone stupid or a homo? Yea, pick n choose the troll you want to support. I’m here to offer a balance to the trolling going on.
I could care less what happens to NM. I have no interest in her. And regardless, anything I say here (much like people here like to say), will change anyones mind.
All this spam/phishing activity is highly suspicious. Cause neither of those things happen to random people at random times. Right?
eyemohini, acually it isn’t suspicious until it doesn’t seem so random.
I believe you want to believe that you’re being targeted. But answer honestly. How do you KNOW it’s not malware/virus that you brought on yourself by answering/opening spam/phishing emails from some random person?
How do you KNOW this?
I’ve been checking periodically, and as of a minute ago, the Etsy http link on my edcbyer.wordpress.com blog is now going to the Etsy forum thread it originally went to. Thanks for alerting WordPress for me, guys!
eyemohini, because I don’t open spam/phishing emails. I only open emails from people/addresses I know. I have operated under that hard and fast rule for years. If I now have a Trojan or malware, it is not due to opening suspicious emails.
I guess you’re smarter than the 100+ people I support and still see emails from ‘valid’ address’ appearing to be from PayPal.
Good for you. It must not be random cause of this single rule you’ve laid out for yourself.
edc. hope you get to the bottom of it. Asking questions regarding this issue is risky to say the least. The people that have stood by my side I will forever be thankful . Some have come forward openly and several have wished to remain silent. I know that they are here.
PD thank you for uncovering this in the first place on your blog. I had buried it in my heart until then. It was time for me to come forward and not be the “guilty party” for my asking questions.
Edc. you have carried the facts forward and you have caused others to rethink their stance. There are no winners here. Friendships have been broken. Facts came forward.
There are 2 distinct sides. Both sides are passionate. I am saddenned for all who have become collateral damage in this travesty.
eyemohini, why so snide? I never open emails from Paypal because I’m lazy; it’s easier to connect to it from my buying/selling sites, and the same info is in those.
Update on my work this afternoon for eyemohini who seemed interested
I have the proof of me painting Whistler’s Mother and Guernica
Tooty-Froo-Froo objected to being covered in paint and dragged about so that failed
My new art and oriental clothing shop opens on Etsy on Saturday watch out for DaityaVAdityas
edcbyer, is this the link you were attempting?
http://www.cs.grinnell.edu/~weinman/courses/CSC207/2009S/assignments/surnames.txt
If you go here, you will see that this list of surnames is just a list taken from the U.S. Census Bureau for an assignment called “Using Collections”.
http://www.cs.grinnell.edu/~weinman/courses/CSC207/2009S/assignments/index.html
I guess if my tone is snide, its in reference to the insinuation that somebody must be specifically targeting you.
Let me put it this way. Do you have a router/firewall with logging abilities? Are all those IPs (unless you’re running it masked) pinging you from valid requests you made? Are they all malicious? Are they targeting you specifically? Are you 100% positive the sites you’re visiting (including the ones you link to above, omg social sites are NEVER compromised) safe?
NRS: Please link! I love amateur art!
“I guess if my tone is snide, its in reference to the insinuation that somebody must be specifically targeting you.”
I believe my ‘insinuation’ was that it appears someone might be targeting me. Not must be.
And, as you seem to have an persistent interest in distorting my comments, I believe I’m finished replying to you in here.
eye..I support those who ALSO give relevant information coupled with snarkiness.
To post JUST to cause conflict and add not add anything to either add or subtract to the thread just baffles me.
Can you please be nice? and if you can’t be respectful can you at least be informative?
Once again, if people think they picked up malware or a trojan or whatever why don’t they run a scan to get rid of it? Why all of this typeing stuff into browsers and stuff like that? Run a scan, delete anything if yo have it, then change your passwords.
eyemohini Says:
Since you’re such a good detective. Please provide me with proof somebody, and lets say Nutmeg specifically, sent me here.
Whats the possibility that I stumbled upon this blog with WordPress’ “view random blog” feature and I found a troll worthy of my attention?
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Really, no one gives a fuck why you are here.
You’re not important, just an annoyance. You babble on and don’t say a damn thing, not to mention not making sense.
I agree with Trudy, edc and the others, you bring nothing of interest to the forum. As far as being a troll, you aren’t even a good one. You’re boring. And lazy. You want a link, search for it yourself.
Just a suggestion to everyone else here, but maybe just ignore he/she/it and ignore. They seems to get a thrill when someone addresses them. What a pitiful existence they have.
I am sorry..that should read…cause conflict and not add (sigh)
This typing so slowly is driving me nuts!
Yep…I agree kitten.
i keep coming back to see if there is any new factual info posted. i have seen very few factual posts.
what i see is paranoia and mindless attacks on unknown internet identities.
i can’t imagine how certain posters here will fill their time when this issue settles down. one poster here thrives on the chaos she creates, and it is not pd or edc. what you are doing is manipulating people into feeling devestated and telling people all along what a good person you are.
“1) that the http link to the Etsy forum closed thread link on my EdCByer blog is still redirecting to Nutmeg’s Coriandr shop”
In a blog thread entirely about NM you mention as part of your recent security issues, a redirect (that is no longer there, which I didn’t see anyone else confirm was happening) to the NM Coriandr shop. I’ve assumed you’re putting this out there, on this thread, because it was relevant to NM for you, not just “testing to see if you could post”. If it’s relevant to NM, how exactly is it?
eyemohini Says:
October 21, 2009 at 2:15 pm
NRS: Please link! I love amateur art!
X
Not amateur, trained by Chinese Master Artist, very good Mona Lisa, you want
Watch new listings Saturday like everyone else you lazy SOB
Lurking along, what a clusterfuck!
Really, nutmeg? That was the most plausible explanation you could come up with for the reselling? It took me about five minutes to come up with a much better one. You’re off your game.
edcbyer, your link to the Grinell info doesn’t work as shown, but I found it listed as a .txt file — that appears to be a random list of last names taken from the census bureau for use in an exercise for that class. I think seeing Avirett there is a complete coincidence.
Tha’s all.
BTW: I’ll add what I want, until that privilege is removed. I believe the same thing has happened in the past regarding the issues raised here.
Voice Says: October 21, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Lurking along, what a clusterfuck!
Really, nutmeg? That was the most plausible explanation you could come up with for the reselling? It took me about five minutes to come up with a much better one. You’re off your game.
X
I thought of a very good excuse she could have tried for the identical dolls as Nutmeg sold being on Mr. Nutmeg’s site but I kept quiet in case she used it
She failed more than I expected her to
eyemohini = CWebster
A cretin no matter which way you slice him.
Just amazed. I am sorry that you feel that way. You could not be further from the truth. I have spent my entire life avoiding chaos.
I have reimbursed a lot of money through this. I have been besmirched on the forums. I have had e mails that would make a sailor blush. Uludag’s thread was horrifying.
Who in God’s name would ask for this? I hate drama. I hate chaos. I have enough in my life right now without even sitting down at a computer.
All because I went on the forums that day . I was lurking around PD blog and read that Nutmeg was supporting Adia in India.
I knew nothing about nutmeg. Nothing! I hearted her shop a long time ago. I had read her now and then on the forums and liked her chubby Indian baby avatar. That is the extent of my involvement.
Chaos? It all started the day I said my friend could help.
Trudy I have seen you state several times you want to get away from this but you are always here
Step away forget it now
bedazzled. I agree
NRSurprised
I know…My name keeps being dragged in and I feel like I have to defend myself. I guess it’s human behavior.
You are absolutely right! I will…thank you for reminding me!
“eyemohini = CWebster”
Huh? If this is some reference to some troll on the etsy forums you people spend your days on, I’ll assure, I’m not.
But please, I like being mistaken for other people.
Can I ask though. Why would I talk about some freeloading pos only to throw you off my trail?
You’re all such good detectives.
It’s even more obvious now.
Please stop feeding the troll. They enjoy the attention.
Mr. Nutmeg / CWebster / Eyemohini – they’re a loser, does it really matter which one?
It is? Please explain.
I think it is time for the “aunties” to say my heart was in the right place but now it is time to pack up and go home. Dissolve what you have. send the paypal monies back to those that donated and pull the plug on all the websites. After that if you want to go and donate money or volunteer to help homeless and hungry children in your own backyard. Trust me there are lots of places in the states and elsewhere that need help both in funds and in time. While there may very well be an “adia” there are lots of “adias” around the world including your own towns. Volunteer to be a CASA for foster children if you have the time. Buy a family in a third world country a farm animal. whatever you want. I think the heart was in the right place but this train long derailed and you need to get off of it before you get caught holding the bag.
Empty vessels make the most noise
1227 and counting,
Lotta noise here.
Anyone else notice Webster poking around the forums and twitter, not looking for work? Damn, I am seriously miffed I sent him money. Not a lot, but still. I wish I had known just what a lazy person he really is. So many more really need the funds, and would appreciate it too.
Nope. Link?
“Mr. Nutmeg / CWebster / Eyemohini – they’re a loser, does it really matter which one?”
Wait, are you saying we’re like the holy trinity? Three of one? Can I be Jesus?
Stacey Says:
“edcbyer, is this the link you were attempting?
http://www.cs.grinnell.edu/~weinman/courses/CSC207/2009S/assignments/surnames.txt
If you go here, you will see that this list of surnames is just a list taken from the U.S. Census Bureau for an assignment called “Using Collections”.
http://www.cs.grinnell.edu/~weinman/courses/CSC207/2009S/assignments/index.html”
No, Stacy, that wasn’t the link. But thanks for trying, anyway!
I’m officially bowing out of tracking down more stuff on my own, now. Because the particular way in which my computer security was compromised has put my family’s personal security at risk, I’ve just met with an officer in my home for about half an hour, and given him a 50-page document. I’m relieved to be done with it, to be honest. Best wishes to all the former aunties in putting this behind them, and in pressing forward to a great holiday selling season. Hugs, all.
-”Ed”
I just informed PD that I will never, ever post another post about NM. I am done! Just in case something is written about me and I do not reply. I have said everything that I can possibly say. So That’s it on my end. You can take me at my word this time, thanks to NRsurprised the break I took from this tonight was wonderful. Peace out. I am taking a break from Etsy too.
My sales aren’t so exciting that I will not have to put my shop on vacation. I am going to spend time with my mom. Trudy
Stacey Says:
rerun: forgot the links slowed down posting…
Stacey said:
“edcbyer, is this the link you were attempting?
…
If you go here, you will see that this list of surnames is just a list taken from the U.S. Census Bureau for an assignment called “Using Collections”.
…
No, Stacey, that wasn’t the link. But thanks for trying, anyway!
I’m officially bowing out of tracking down more stuff on my own, now. Because the particular way in which my computer security was compromised has put my family’s personal security at risk, I’ve just met with an officer in my home for about half an hour, and given him a 50-page document. I’m relieved to be done with it, to be honest. Best wishes to all the former aunties in putting this behind them, and in pressing forward to a great holiday selling season. Hugs, all.
-”Ed”
(nix the first “Stacey says”)
And PD, don’t freak out because the EdCByer isn’t in all lowercase, anymore. I’m pretty sure that has to do with my emails being changed; it’s reverted back to the Etsy website addy I first posted under here, I gather.
I have no idea why it just hit me but it may be a coincidence or Edc might be on to something.
I had a trojan attack while reading this blog this specific topic on Sunday, I quickly shut off my PC as it was not letting me close the page and then turned it on and ran my anti virus to delete the bug. I had 15 infections, like I said may be coincidence or may be something else who knows but I am glad I have my antivirus doing a daily scan now vs weekly.
last word on this.
if you were seriously trying to get laid, would you ask for it like this (in Japan, of all places)?
“Furthermore my craving change it calls and pleasantly the girl of the boy and of the luxurious people straw raincoat for beauty who shine and rotary art it should be found!”
buncha silly Fluxus-esque stuff online playing with fiddly-translation word-strings. HOT STUFF!
amidst a bunch of re-translated text found online & in spam emails, some pictures of a couple of girls with BOOBS. hardcore hippie fuckfest indeed!
this is silly.
trudy, it’s not because you didn’t give me a person’s name, but because of some manner of utterly failed communication, with yourself in the middle of it, that did not facilitate the meeting of two people in the same city who wanted to met each other. things are done in a circuitous manner sometimes in India, but usually a meeting is arranged by rather simpler means. usually if you go to the place where one tells you that you’ll be observed from afar’, SOMEONE there has heard of you. it’s all a bit confusing to be sure.
again, this is silly.
i didn’t steal any money from anyone. it’s all accounted for.
if you don’t like my etsy shop, think it’s fake, etcetc, flag it and don’t buy. my account has problems now, due in part i would assume to the fact that with me in Nepal and shipping issues in India, and all of this fracas, everyone who would have given their item the benefit of the doubt and gotten it in due time is now assuming i’ve defrauded them and reverses my paypal/leaves negatives. i had some 130+ positive feedback prior to all of this, the only neutral/negatives (6 neut, one neg) being, again, over shipping delays/impatience.
i certainly didn’t pull out super-hax0r skills from nowhere and sabotage anyone’s computer.
a good lie is airtight and a truth is always full of holes.
run this through your cynicism-circuit: if someone wanted to run a scam, it would not be one involving a confusing situation which is shot full of inconsistencies to begin with. that would be beyond flaky or flighty, it would be stupid. in addition, i am simply incapble of the sort of premeditated imorality you purport. you may disagree with my ideologies – but to say that i would be capable of deliberately and calculatedly exploiting people in a way that is pretty universaly agred upon as abject….this is preposterous.
i also would not have been a continual longwinded pedant on the etsy forums to gain friends to exploit – most people there rather resent posts that require thought. as it goes, i had very few other people to speak English to at the time. i posted there for human contact, not to gather followers for some pornography-drug-hacking-swami-floomzip super-scam.
i will not be posting here any further.
as usual, you may email me.
Nutmeg said:
“a good lie is airtight and a truth is always full of holes.
run this through your cynicism-circuit: if someone wanted to run a scam, it would not be one involving a confusing situation which is shot full of inconsistencies to begin with. that would be beyond flaky or flighty, it would be stupid.”
I ran that one through my cynicism-circuit, and it promptly short-circuited.
ah, still not addressing the reselling issue I see.
as for your quote that a good lie is airtight and the truth is full of holes PLEAAASEEEEE!
Truth is full of facts, where there is TRUTH THERE IS PROOF! Run that by YOUR circuit.
Where there is lies there is more lies to cover up the previous lies, there is evasiveness, there ARE INCONSISTENCIES, there are conflicting stories, there are MILLIONS OF HOLES.
Just take a second to think about one of the classic scam emails buyers frequently receive. ” I want to pay you by check, I want you to ship by my shipping company, I need to know your final asking price, I will still send a check in the thousands and need you to reimburse the difference immediately” Does that sound airtight to YOU?
let me understand this.
by day, we’re flinky hippies so high we cannot properly rub two dimes together. by night, we’re profesionally-trained hackers from a second-rate college as well as photoshop experts.
this is a bombastic dichotomy suitable for a pulp espionage film.
haven’t you all figured out yet that myself, my husband, and i are all facests of the antichrist? you see, the thre of us used to make psychedelized porno-flicks together, until chris decided to call himself Sai Swami Chrisdick and suck money from desperate women under the thrall of his enormous schlanger. to edify the holiness of said schlanger, my husband and i learned to hack computers in order to raise money to build an enormous golden phallus in Calcutta. along the way, we decided some general misanthropy, like kicking kittens and children, might also be fun, and this we do when we’re not having great large orgies, blown out of our minds on hash which is produced in our doll-makng slave-labour factory. on the side, i learned how to photoshop the entire universe into existance, and you’re all part of it. it’s all part of the mysterious but very, very evil CHRISNUT cartel! i will now translate this entire thread between three languages and post it in a blog with weird pictures as proof of my extreme unwholesomeness!
(my apologies, chris, for the above sarcasm involving yourself. this is what happens when one has the dubioous honour of being roasted alongside another in the world of blogging).
i’m going to start harvesting this stuff for a surrealist play if it gets any more absurd.
don’t like me? okay.
don’t like my shop? fine.
this was about stolen money from the ADIA fund. said money has been abundantly accounted for over and over.
so why am i, or any of you, still here? surely there myst be something more productive to do in the infinite universe. let’s go see if we can find something, shall we?
questions about adia or my etsy? same email address as before.
goodness, that should have said that myself, my husband, and cwebster are all part of this horrible cult out to suck your soul and ruin your computer. you see, i am actually a multi-headed Hindu deity of E-VIL, so i have several heads, and thus cannot remember who i am anyway.
in any case. if anyone wants to know the educational background of myserlf and my husband, one can find it on old etsy threads. we’ve mentioned our ideas of institutionlized education quite a few times, and i’m afraid they do not include anything quite so mediocre or linear as computer courses at third-rate colleges.
i’ve attempted to address the reselling issue, and what i said has been convoluted. quite the surprise indeed. if etsy has been satisfied with the proofs of my items’ authenticity, that is that. you do not need to buy them.
nor did i ever state that i am myself restoring toys for an alibaba shop. what i did say is that, if i learned how to paint dolls from a person with a workshop who makes toys, obviously these toys could be sold in one venue, and the few dolls i have painted myself could be sold in another. again, i remind you that of the six dolls ever offered in my shop, three were of the exact Benares style, three were of abstract interpretation with the same stylistic elements.
i simply have to go now – i see a flock of doves outside which needs mauling, and am ready for my next dose of acid distilled from the tears of displaced refugees.
Nutmeg, I’m glad you reurned and are trying to present your side of this long story. In doing so, however, you’re presenting it in a way that seems very long-winded in some places and somewhat non-sensical in others. People don’t want to hear roundabout answers…they just want simple answers to simple (repeated) questions.
I understand that you are on the defensive right now…but loads of sarcasm and snide words in every response you give isn’t going to help your case in anyway–it will only make people more against you in this, and continue to disbelieve you.
I’m not saying this to be mean–just trying to give you an idea of why whatever you say is now being picked apart and “twisted” as you claim.
All that aside, I do wish you luck with your art exhibit in NYC early next year, if that is still happening.
lastly, the alleged $5000 convo is obviously complete rot and i’d be interested to see those screenshots myself. maybe i can give whomever made them the position of ‘ninja-photoshopper’ in my cult of evil (kumbaya, kumbaya).
say what you will of my own ‘discrepancies’, things like this ‘$5000 convo’ and the hax0r accusations make this, again, not a rational enquiry.
so does saying things like typos and pen-names amount to intentional obfuscation, or that silly blog tangents of muddled-translation and image-slew indicate moral decrepitude, or a great number of things i will no longer dignify with responses. it should not be taken as ‘prof’ of my ‘guilt’ that i do not vehemently defend myself against every bit of wooly logic or outright falsity presented here.
let me say again – guilt of what? money is not stolen! said money is accounted for! this matter should properly be closed at that.
let me point you again to my email address if you have a salient question.
karina -
yes, i quite understand your perspective. i’ve purposely decided to bring out the sarcasm in order to demonstrate, by running with it, the absolute farce this has become. calling the authorities on me for hacking, or trumping up fake convos in which i ask people for $5000, is potentially dangerous absurdity.
and i prefer my absurdity to be fun and stimulating.
i have, i think, accounted for all of the money in the Adia account, and this has been verified as true. as such, i cannot understand why anyone cares if i happen to be an acid-soaked nymphomaniac burning the brassiere of Joan Crawford from the top of Mount Everest. it is irrelevant. i did not steal any money.
i have also explained my etsy shop. most of the people who are armed against me will not accept that explanation, or any other. what they CAN do is continue to make larger and larger claims that grow more preposterous and disprovable by the moment. in light of this, i do not believe that detailed and rational explanations will be of any use in this context.
i will, however, now turn off the sarcasm-drip (i assume my point has been taken) and remind everyone that any relevant questions about adia or my esty shop can be addressed to me by email.
In the new blog you posted with convos from Trudy, she stated that she does have copies of convos from you asking Etsy sellers for donations…is that true?
I never said my computer was hacked, or that anything was even being misdirected for me. I run computer scans about every 3 days automatically anyway and anything on it gets deleted. I did however change a few passwords just in case due to all this crap being mentioned. The last time I got a trojan it simply crashed my hard drive and cost $375 to repar and that is all that happened anyway. I did advise some to run scans and change passwords though considering all the spooky double ought hacker talk- people should do this periodically anyway..I do it every 3 or 4 months or so. I have no idea what any of the hacker links were about as I did not click on any of them .
Why should people have to flag your shop anyway? YOu know the rules, if it shouldn’t be listed then don’t list it if you are so honest. The lies in the descriptions of your listings are obvious, even laughable. Etsians should be angry that that you thing they are stupid enough to believe them. Links you can click also point to the obvious, your reselling the majority of what you sell.
Even your starving Adia in India scam shit was posted on the forum despite forum rules. Over and over and over. Then you told me that yes it didn’t belong there and that you had asked to have it taken off, only to make another thread saying I don’t care if this belongs here or not here is an update on Adia. You obvioulsly think the rules do not apply to you.
Yes I do think that japan site was in reference to looking for sex, nutbag, as you metnioned exaclty what you were into and what you were looking for and who with. You can’t even tell the truth about that.
And you have it backwards-the truth never changes, but lies constantly evolve.
The bottom line is that none of this would have happended if you had kept your starving child sob story off the forum of a place of business.
Are we just supposed to trust NM and believe the money is accounted for without real proof?
I mean, the problem is that we DON’T trust her.
And we have yet a reason to trust, even though she’s responded. She has further proved why we distrust her, with her swiss cheese explanations that don’t fully address anything
Until physical, (or virtual) evidence is produced, won’t we all be disbelievers?
This whole thing reeks.
http://www.avg.com/resources/web-page-scanner/
If you’re really worried this blog has malicious code, there’s lots of ways to check it.
And if your chosen AV didn’t catch those objects AS THEY CAME, I suggest you look for another product.
Guess it’s only the Australian division that gets the “online” version.
http://www.avg.com.au/resources/web-page-scanner/
Or use:
http://linkscanner.avg.com/
Yes, AVG isn’t some fly by night AV dev company.
Nutmeg says:
“calling the authorities on me for hacking, or trumping up fake convos in which i ask people for $5000, is potentially dangerous absurdity.”
Is this a threat? (A simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ will suffice.)
“The most valuable of all talents is that of never using two words when one will do.” ~Thomas Jefferson
(For your quote collection.)
nutmeg Says:
“computer courses at third-rate colleges.”
Grinnell College is far from a third-rate mediocre college, and actually would have been a good fit for nutmeg! It’s one of the leading liberal arts colleges in the nation, with a strong tradition of social activism. It has the highest percentage of students that go on to be involved in the peace corp, and has it’s own student run form of Kiva. Not that this has anything to do with the current debate, just though I’d throw that in for fun trivia!
eyemohini, thank you, but I already have an internet security professional telling me how to handle this. I need to follow his instructions, not click on links posted by people I don’t know in volatile blogs.
Nutmeg, could you please tell me whether you actually thought through what you intended to do when you found this child?
Was it your intention just to have her hospitalised for a few days or was it your intention to take on the child and her family single handed?
If it was just going to be for a few days did you not think that maybe the family would immediately put her back to the condition she was in before she was hospitalised because she was a tool to assist their begging?
If it was your intention to take on the family and the child long term did you personally have the financies to do that or were you intending at some stage to solicit funds?
If you were intending to take the problem on long term were you prepared to stay in Hyderabad for years rather than months which seemed to be your intention before all this started?
Did you at any time consider the impact of having the child admitted to an expensive private hospital along with her mother and grandmother and for them to see a side of life that they could never achieve and probably never even knew existed.
Did you consider that by giving them the amount of money you seem to have done that you did nothing to improve their conditions. They have no concept of the value of money so one day they had nothing, the next they had a lot and the next they had nothing again.
“eyemohini, thank you, but I already have an internet security professional telling me how to handle this. I need to follow his instructions, not click on links posted by people I don’t know in volatile blogs.”
But wait, I thought you guys decided I was either CWebster or Mr. Nutmeg.
Yea, clicking on random links isn’t usually advised. I agree. Maybe thats a lesson learned when investigating social networks for personal information on people. Albeit I have yet to experience a need to do so.
eyemohini said,
“But wait, I thought you guys decided I was either CWebster or Mr. Nutmeg.”
Eye, frankly I haven’t had the inclination to discover who you are, and therefore have never said you were either of those people.
EdCByer said, (post 1235)
I’m officially bowing out of tracking down more stuff on my own, now. Because the particular way in which my computer security was compromised has put my family’s personal security at risk, I’ve just met with an officer in my home for about half an hour, and given him a 50-page document. I’m relieved to be done with it, to be honest. Best wishes to all the former aunties in putting this behind them, and in pressing forward to a great holiday selling season. Hugs, all.
-”Ed”
Nutmeg said, (post 1246)
“calling the authorities on me for hacking….is potentially dangerous absurdity.”
EdCByer said, (post 1250, 6:11 AM)
Is this a threat? (A simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ will suffice.)
“The most valuable of all talents is that of never using two words when one will do.” ~Thomas Jefferson
(For your quote collection.)
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30 minutes later, and you still can’t decide? Or, are you editing?
I’ve actually noticed NM tends to get online late night early morning. You might have to wait more than thirty minutes.
I apologise to you Nutmeg. My questions were not meant to be confrontational. I am merely curious. The answers are really none of my business.
And with that I think I have answered my own questions.
All this has told me is that for me I would always now go through a recognised charity who are less likely to be driven by their hearts.
I am through here. For me it has run its course.
Stay tuned for more nutmegclick revelations and bombshells coming to a blog near you. Gathering this shit takes time, but we are working hard at it behind the scenes.
Maybe when people start asking her questions without all the snide remarks, maybe she will do the same.
I am not on any side on this particular issue.
But really, all the remarks that were made towards her, how do you expect her to act?
we need to calm down and ask constructive questions, maybe we will get constructive answers.
or, you could stop being a bunch of busybodies, call off the internet witch hunt, and go back to whatever it is you do that’s apparently so boring you feel compelled to blather on about one etsy drama after another morning, noon, and night. just a thought.
oh my god, edc. I don’t think it was a threat. stop overreacting to everything.
Nutmeg says “haven’t you all figured out yet that myself, my husband, and i are all facests of the antichrist? you see, the thre of us used to make psychedelized porno-flicks together, until chris decided to call himself Sai Swami Chrisdick and suck money from desperate women under the thrall of his enormous schlanger. to edify the holiness of said schlanger, my husband and i learned to hack computers in order to raise money to build an enormous golden phallus in Calcutta. along the way, we decided some general misanthropy, like kicking kittens and children, might also be fun, and this we do when we’re not having great large orgies, blown out of our minds on hash which is produced in our doll-makng slave-labour factory. on the side, i learned how to photoshop the entire universe into existance, and you’re all part of it. it’s all part of the mysterious but very, very evil CHRISNUT cartel! i will now translate this entire thread between three languages and post it in a blog with weird pictures as proof of my extreme unwholesomeness! ”
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All this is more believable than the statement that you, Nutmeg, are shy, so shy you don’t like speaking to people on the phone
Don’t you realize that all the background that has been found and posted here is to show that you will readily lie to suit yourself and that you have few moral scruples if any. Your acceptance of shop lifting from large shops, sitting outside a craft fair selling instead of having a booth, these things and others you have done, the issue of reselling does not only apply to the nesting dolls but many other items
When you live according to these standards you will have to learn to accept that people will doubt you and your motives whatever you do or claim to be doing
At this stage I don’t see what difference it makes what Nutmeg says so there isn’t any point in asking the same questions over and over again
It does seem strange she keeps asking for emails so she can answer them when there are customers complaining in the Etsy forum, on blogs like this one and in feedback that they can’t get replies to their emails about where their purchases are. Before asking for more emails to reply to it might be a good idea to deal with those
I wouldn’t email Nutmeg to ask what the date is because by the time I had read the reply and tried to make any sense of it the date would probably have changed
confused Says:
“oh my god, edc. I don’t think it was a threat. stop overreacting to everything.”
Confused, (and I think maybe you are), I wasn’t saying it was a threat. I was asking her to clarify her perpetually flowery and vague prose, so that I can scrape together whatever shreds of meaning I can from what she types in here.
But, maybe understanding her is a completely fruitless endeavor, after all. In that my patience is wearing thin, I’m done here.
K Says:
October 22, 2009 at 9:19 am
Maybe when people start asking her questions without all the snide remarks, maybe she will do the same.
I am not on any side on this particular issue.
But really, all the remarks that were made towards her, how do you expect her to act?
we need to calm down and ask constructive questions, maybe we will get constructive answers.
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Hmm…I’ve asked several times questions in a calm and respectful manner. So has Chantelle, and a few others. We keep getting ignored for some reason.
I’ve always found it hard to have a conversation with somebody when their friend(s) are yelling in my face.
MISPRINT RAINBOW Handloom Organic Silk Fabric Scarf
http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=20682124
“This handloom, organic length of Benares silk has been dyes with a rainbow of plant dyes in a beautiful and random pattern. The idea happened upon me when I used an old scarf to mop up some spilled fabric dyes – when the scarf was opened, it revealed a fascinating pattern! It reminds me of those pictures we used to make as children, smearing paint on one side of the page and folding it to make smudgy butterflies, or the illusion created when printing-plates line up improperly for an illustration!
Purples, greens, blues and pink dance about on this 36 x 36 inches silk scarf made by hand in the Benares tradition by Indian artisans. The original pattern is of orange plaid, and I’ve lightly hemmed the edges to prevent fraying.
Light and airy, this scarf could be used in a myriad of ways. Tie it in your hair, or round your neck, or use it as a becoming sash with any outfit. Too, it would be perfect in any sewing project which needs a splash of vivid colour”
This scarf sold today on Etsy but despite it appearing from the description to be a unique item you can still buy the identical scarf in at least two other locations (same photo same scarf) If it is really is a unique scarf offered for sale on different sites it is possible for more unhappy buyers if these two are purchased unless the description is slightly misleading in its suggestion that this was created in a way that would make it unique in its pattern
Its certain that at least two of the buyers will not be receiving the scarf in the photo, if they receive anything at all
MISPRINT RAINBOW Organic Handloom Silk Fabric Scarf
http://www.artfire.com/modules.php?name=Shop&op=listing&product_id=386304
MISPRINT Rainbow Silk Scarf
http://www.coriandr.com/item?item=3060
eye, you do make a good point there. All the same, my point was that not everyone has been yelling/insulting her.
Yeah, eye, but notice that she is choosing to engage with those who are yelling at and insulting her. She could ignore them and talk only to those who are politely asking her questions, but she’d apparently rather address the unimportant side issues than the main ones.
Wow. Her negative feedback is really piling up. And that doesn’t include Sarah’s nesting dolls, or the woman with the dress. Who knows who else.
And I’m wondering, if you’re in Nepal, Nutmeg, how do you ship from India, which is what your listings say?
Sally she doesn’t seem to be shipping period
One of the items which sold today
MISPRINT RAINBOW Handloom Organic Silk Fabric Scarf
“This handloom, organic length of Benares silk has been dyes with a rainbow of plant dyes in a beautiful and random pattern. The idea happened upon me when I used an old scarf to mop up some spilled fabric dyes – when the scarf was opened, it revealed a fascinating pattern! It reminds me of those pictures we used to make as children, smearing paint on one side of the page and folding it to make smudgy butterflies, or the illusion created when printing-plates line up improperly for an illustration!
Purples, greens, blues and pink dance about on this 36 x 36 inches silk scarf made by hand in the Benares tradition by Indian artisans. The original pattern is of orange plaid, and I’ve lightly hemmed the edges to prevent fraying.
Light and airy, this scarf could be used in a myriad of ways. Tie it in your hair, or round your neck, or use it as a becoming sash with any outfit. Too, it would be perfect in any sewing project which needs a splash of vivid colour”
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I thought Nutmeg is supposed to be American so why does she spell color as colour
Despite it appearing from the description to be a unique item you can still buy the identical scarf in at least two other locations (same photo same scarf) If it really is a unique dye patterned scarf offered for sale on different sites it is possible for more unhappy buyers if these two are purchased unless the description is slightly misleading in its suggestion that this was created in a way that would make it unique in its pattern
Its certain that at least two of the buyers will not be receiving the scarf in the photo, if they receive anything at all
I posted giving the links but they must have prevented the message posting so I will only say the scarf with the same photos is shown in Nutmeg’s Artfire and Coriandr shops and is easy to find
In all fairness, I have some items posted in different shops of which I only have one. I don’t think that proves anything. The chances of them all selling at once are little to none.
Why am I not surprised?
of course, they are still listed in the other locations after the first one sold. That I don’t do!
nutmeg Says:
if you were seriously trying to get laid, would you ask for it like this (in Japan, of all places)?
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I wasn’t aware people in Japan don’t have sex.
Or do you mean the Japanese don’t like to sleep with odd women who say in a long rambling flowery way that they will spread ‘em for, well, apparently anybody? Or are you trying to imply that your ad for sex was meant as a joke?
I notice that one of Nutmeg’s negatives from today is from sproutmama, the scorned Etsian who got Cwebster’s veiled charity thread closed by mentioning his name and questioning his worthiness to receive handouts.
She’s like Kevin Bacon!
Someone accused Nutmeg of shilling her feedback when she received negatives.
Her shop suddenly sold 3 things today, do you think these 3 customers will come back praising and raving their magnificent purchases? How long do you think it will take for the feedback to be posted?
Im watching anxiously
By my own name… I can attest to seeing all money in the ADIA paypal account. It showed all donations going in and no money being taken out.
Last I have seen, all money was accounted for.
Since I am no longer in ADIA I cannot provide any further information about it.
Just wanted to say that the money was accounted for and Nutmeg does not have control of that account.
Again im out… have a good weekend and blessings.
Does anyone have any info on how Adia is? The updates blog has vanished today. It was being run by one of the auntys, not nutmeg.
Nutmeg, do you have any contact with anybody in India about Adia? If so, how is she, is she in the hospital, has she been in the hospital and been discharged or what?
Thank you for your post, Keala. We know that nutmeg didn’t steal those donations, which I’m sure is a relief to everyone.
Thanks also, Karina. I have been trying to keep my tone calm and reasonable when making my statements and asking my questions. I notice that you’ve been doing the same thing.
In my mind, nutmeg’s past sexploits aren’t all that relevent to the discussion of whether she is a scammer or a reseller. To me, at most, that stuff goes to showing that she has led a life that is perhaps flakier than most… But there’s lots of other evidence out there of that.
I also feel that the name-calling by each side is counter-productive: it’s very hard to be reasonable when someone is calling you names or “shouting” in your face. It is natural for someone to want to defend themselves in that case but this seems to escalate the problem which we’ve seen here.
I am surprised and disappointed that nutmeg hasn’t addressed my or Karina’s concerns or questions – that she’s only chosen to reply to the other, nastier, comments.
Why is this, nutmeg? I’m willing to read what you have to say with an open, if questioning, mind. I haven’t been dismissing your statements out of hand but instead have been trying to describe to you why I believe what I do, and asking for clarification from you.
please do keep in mind that i’m halfway across the planet! i’m in a different time-zone, so i cannot respond quickly at all times.
i hope it is understood that the sarcasm i used in the prior posts was to demonstrate a point. to accuse me of hacking is a dangerous absurdity not only because it is preposterous and indicates an alarming cognitive dissonance in the accuser, but because taking out false reports is annoying for everyone involved. i would really hate to be the ‘officer’ who has to slough through ’50 pages’ of namecalling and paranoia (or perhaps they’ll find it amusing)?
lexie, i do not feel this is the place to explain anything about Adia. it is incredibly unnerving that amidst all the sex-drugs-and-SuperSwami talk, there was a dying child at the root of all of this, who has been largely forgotten – so i will not mention her in this context. i explained briefly my ideas about how to help Adia and why i felt so in the ‘thoughts and actions’ post on this blog:
http://thestoryofadia.blogspot.com/
since the beginning, many people told me they thought my ideological approach to charity was flawed. i still believe muchly as i did before, but have obviously had the opportunity to consider a great many facets of the entire matter, and will continue to do so.
kitten, yes, the sex ad was a joke. some of my friends and i are interested in the Fluxus/culture-jamming movements. if you poke about on the internet, you’ll find pages which document more elaborate projects of fake personal ads and the hilarity which can ensue, which is then sometimes used to draw interesting conclusions about society applied in an artistic medium. you can find some by myself&others on OKCupid as well if you’re especially interested. much like the blogs which went to indicate that i was drugged beyond coherent speech – these are not serious endeavours.
karina, trudy does NOT have any convos about me asking etsy sellers for donations. the bit about ‘you asked six people for $40′ was from the ADIA public forum, when we were discussing a way for people to donate directly to the hospital for one day of her care each week. i would provide the funds for one day, that left six, and we thought a direct donation of that sort would be the easiest thing all-around if she was able to stay long-term at a hospital which would accept donations in this manner.
notsurprised, your ideas of moral decrepitude and mine simply do not match. we obviously come from radically different perspectives, and i would not be one to judge which is correct. i think it would be best to stick to facts when addressing my character (or yours, or anyone’s), not subjective opinions thereof. i will not elaborate more upon why i believe that different moral imperatives can and should co-exist in the world – but because of this belief, i do not feel that i am compelled to justify my particular weltanschauung to you and will not address that here.
the only bit i shall say is that it is indeed quite possible for one to have a buoyant personality through their art, on the internet, when around their personal friends, and yet be very, very uncomfortable in generic social situations (or phobic of phonecalls, for that matter). as it goes, i express myself primarily through art, associate in a vibrant manner with a handful of people close to me (yes, run with that one), and have a much easier time being effusive in writing (online, et al) than in person. it is a rather limited perspective for that to seem impossible, and surely is not an indication of psychosis or E-VIL.
let me also very briefly address the issue of my supposed E-VIL, in a serious context this time. it is my general understanding that very, very few people have ever set out to do premeditated evil – indeed, we all prefer to think that our actions are good (or at least justifiable). the idea that i would spend hours and months of voluminous posting on etsy to fan the flames for a ‘scam’ involving a starving child which i had decided to perpetrate, would make me not only dishonest, but a calculated sociopath. there have been very few people like that throughout history; even those who have done immense wrong are usually convinced of their ‘correctness’ on one level or another. sometimes people become very inclined to justify wrong actions, which leads them to be unable to determine between right and wrong. then, they are of unsound mind.
it is possible that from the perspective of some, i may be strange, flighty, ‘shady’, or any other such you wish to say – but i am neither a sociopath nor of legitimately unsound mind. as such, to accuse me of intentionally trying to exploit (or invent) a starving child, and also being an adept hacker and all the rest, is quite ridiculous and outside the boundaries of logic.
regarding the scarf, if it is true that one must not list the same item on two sites to see where it sells first, this is the first time i have heard of such a mandate. in any case, that item is inactive on etsy, the artfire shop is not yet active, and the coriandr account is on vacation – said scarf is not with me in Nepal.
one reason i continually ask for emails is that i feel that is a more appropriate context. direct, exact questions between two people that do not get lost in all the clatter. it is also sometimes difficult for me to get this page to load in its entirety (i’ve lost lengthy replies this way). i really do not think i owe any further explanations to those who have remained here. the money that was originally questioned is accounted for, there seems to be little point in discussing my etsy shop in this context, and i will not discuss Adia here.
i will stop back a few times over the next few days to see if any salient points have been raised which merit a reply, but otherwise i must distance myself from this particular thread as it seems to bring very little which is positive or productive.
Nutmeg,
again, how is Adia? You said this isn’t the place to discuss Adia, then where is? Your blog hasn’t been updated in some time, and now the other blog for updates has disappeared.
Here nutmeg claims small-town WIsconsin roots…kind of irrelevant, but thought I’d add it to the info since Ed sites her Canadian roots http://shrimpsaladcircus.blogspot.com/2009/07/vintage-feature-nutmeg-click-and-this.html#
kitten Says:
October 22, 2009 at 5:03 pm
I notice that one of Nutmeg’s negatives from today is from sproutmama, the scorned Etsian who got Cwebster’s veiled charity thread closed by mentioning his name and questioning his worthiness to receive handouts.
She’s like Kevin Bacon!
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So you are saying she shouldn’t neg for what she bought if it is necessary? Would you neg if it were necessary for something you bought? I won’t even refer to Cwebster’s pitiful “feed me” begging thread.
Chantelle, on my blog didn’t you have a different opinion about all of this? Or am I thinking of someone esle?
Well, ol’ “muchly” and “thusly” is back, posting away as nutmeg who can barely string together a coherent post.
Anona Nutmeg spells color as colour which might be significant
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Nutmeg says “regarding the scarf, if it is true that one must not list the same item on two sites to see where it sells first, this is the first time i have heard of such a mandate. in any case, that item is inactive on etsy, the artfire shop is not yet active, and the coriandr account is on vacation – said scarf is not with me in Nepal.”
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More Nutmeg lies
Some Facts
The *inactive* scarf on Etsy was *sold* yesterday
Today, a short while ago, I added the scarf to my shopping cart on Artfire and could have purchased it, the Artfire shop that is not yet active
Today, a short while ago, I added the scarf to the shopping cart on Coriandr and could have purchased it, the Coriandr shop that is on vacation
If its true that the scarf is not in Nepal, how can it be shipped to any purchaser from any of these three sites including the one who did purchase it from Etsy yesterday
When something can be proved or disproved it nearly always turns out to be lies
I thought Nutmeg is supposed to be American so why does she spell color as colour
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On an aside, living in America doesn’t mean that one is “American”.
I am a Canadian living in America, and I still spell many words “the English way”. I just adapt my Etsy listings to show American spelling because that’s where my business is based…I’m sure some of my listings and Etsy forum posts still have words spelt the “other way” out of habit.
When is the title of this thread going to be changed from “Questioning Adia foundation/founders” to something more in line with the questions everyone has?
If it was once about this “group” it’s been long past that.
With the very first posting here, it’s always been about Nutmeg, not the “group”. This “Adia” has always been a “side note” for most posting here.
That is becasue there is no fucking Adia, eyemohini.
Here is my latest nutmegclick blog post.
http://pussdaddyblogs.blogspot.com/2009/10/more-interesting-stuff-about.html
Dear nutmeg,
You are a grifter. Most grifters have severe emotional problems and are generally sociopaths.
I know it’s far easier to scam people out of money than make your own way in the world, but using people the way you are with a story about a child is really too much.
Get a grip and stop all of this.
To the people who are still giving this scam artist money and defending her, well, you are complete idiots. Just because you “meet” someone on the Magical Happyland that is Etsy doesn’t mean they are real, legitimate or not a grifter.
Wake up. Stop it. All of you.
Concerned human.
Good post stopthemadness
The impression I get is that the Auntys of Adia have already given up on fund raising and promoting the cause although I don’t think eyehomini has grasped that yet due to inherent stupidity
More recent discoveries made during enquiring into the Adia business have given a potentially greater cause for concern regarding Nutmeg’s Etsy selling tactics and ethics
Resellers and those who give bad experiences to customers or outright scam them are the curse of the Etsy community and reflect badly on everyone who sells there, creating understandable mistrust in the minds of buyers
The prime purpose of this blog is to call out those bad sellers so it is a relevant topic for discussion here, perhaps it should be started as a new separate thread now
I am far more concerned about this aspect than I am about whether Nutmeg is encouraging people to support a child in India that must exist but doesn’t appear to be occupying Nutmeg’s own attentions now, whether she ever intended to stick around and care for the child’s future or take money as fund raising became more successful or whether she is a taking drugs or acting like a slut
The only aspect of that is regarding her claim to shyness as yet another sign of telling lies, it appears that she would probably be happy to appear in a porn film but too shy to speak to the director on the phone which is crazy
Right now the string of lies regarding her shops and her selling have taken over from all other concerns that have been flogged to death
These lies are proved as shown by the latest example of the dyed scarf and what Nutmeg’s claims about the status of the three shops which anyone could see were out and out lies
Ok, my last blog post freaked everyone out, with people thinking I had posted child porn links, and people were afraid to click on it and stuff, so I removed it. I never saw any child porn, but I took it down anyway rather than have everyone all freaked out. Sorry for the incovenience.
Honestly, Not Really Surprised, This nutmegclick chick has got to be the scariest individual I have seen on the internet while buying so far. There is no way i hell I would want my money to go to to support a person like this and the thought that it could happen I am not enjoying too much. She and her psychopath old man’s ramblings and lies and everything else they have on blogs and all over the internet is downright scary, especially if you get lost in it trying to research it and crap. It is like watching two escapees from an insane asylum try to outdo each other.
I read your post, PD, before it was removed and I’m amazed people thought you had posted child porn links. It was obvious the links themselves were harmless. The things posted by NM and her husband were batshit crazy though.
It was interesting to read that her husband admitted to robbing a Pizza Hut using a toy gun. In his drug induced haze, he found it amusing but the authorities who convicted him of armed robbery didn’t find it near as funny as he did.
The vintage child porn ephemera he likes to collect will probably be explained by NM as more made-up shit. Everything they say is made-up shit and ANYONE STUPID enough to buy into their BS after reading all of these links DESERVES to get burned.
I found it highly amusing that NM listed her income on MySpace as more than $250,000 yearly. WTH is she doing asking for donations if she makes that kind of cash selling shit online? I hope to hell she takes some of that money and buys a bar of fucking soap to wash her nasty ass caked with dirty shit hands that show up in half of those insane photos she takes.
I doubt seriously if Sonny Vincent is her father. I think it’s just another one of her sick ass fantasies. Here’s some truth though: The truth is she loves children so much that she smoked while she was pregnant with her own daughter and after reading one of her blog posts, which she’s trying to say was just a joke, I’d venture a guess that she was tripping on acid during that time, too. Which would explain why she posted Internet links that discounted the effects of psychotropic drugs on a fetus. She’s a selfish, sex-crazed , lying junkie with serious mental problems and her own child is probably in as much peril as Adia is.
On the adoption site she was banned from, she listed herself as a birth mother. Perhaps she had plans to give her child up for adoption or maybe she was attempting a scam on someone who was desperate for a child.
There’s SO much more out there but I’ve really seen enough and this has taken up too much of my time already. It’s been a good lesson for many of us.
PD isn’t making this shit up, people. It’s all there for you to see and you should be thanking her and everyone else who gathered these links for you instead of whining about how you’re scared of it all. There were NO child porn links posted on her blog.
pussdaddyblogs Says:
October 23, 2009 at 4:41 am
kitten Says:
October 22, 2009 at 5:03 pm
I notice that one of Nutmeg’s negatives from today is from sproutmama, the scorned Etsian who got Cwebster’s veiled charity thread closed by mentioning his name and questioning his worthiness to receive handouts.
She’s like Kevin Bacon!
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So you are saying she shouldn’t neg for what she bought if it is necessary? Would you neg if it were necessary for something you bought? I won’t even refer to Cwebster’s pitiful “feed me” begging thread.
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No PD, I absolutely think she should of negged!
I referred to sproutmama as being like Kevin Bacon, as she is linked to all the current crazy Etsians like every actor/actress is somehow linked to Kevin Bacon.
I remember when sproutmama started some thread asking people to write her poor friend who was going to prison for a few years – he did something like broke a glass/caused a disturbance at the Republican National Convention, I think. I think he was charged with terrorism or something and sproutmama thought it was so unfair.
Nutmeg chimed in and I think relayed her own experiences with things like that….and felt bad for her friend.
It’s fine to protest, but when you do property damage as well as possible harm to others, your ass needs to be in jail. JMO of course.
My opinion is that sproutmama is a watered down version of nutmeg, but still way out there. She started a thread about her loser husband/or now she calls him partner how he treats her so bad and ignores her….when everyone told her to leave him, she got upset sticking up for him, he’s a good person, he’s not that bad. That got closed too.
I obviously got off track, but YES, sproutmama should of definitely negged nutmeg!
Sproutmama was once one of Nutmeg’s cheerleaders. She must have been pissed. I don’t blame her.
“Questioning Adia foundation/founders”
aka
“Nutmeg is freaky hippie liar and I Googled it to prove it!”
Please change title of blog, asap. TIA
PD, I used to say that I didn’t think that this whole thing wasn’t a scam. I find her sexploits extertaining and think they show she’s a flake.
I didn’t think I’d posted anything much different than that, so I think that you might be thinking of someone else.
Ms. Puss Daddy,
I would like to read about the stick up at Pizza Hut with a stupid toy gun and everything else you wrote. They should be nominated parents of the year! Can you do so without posting pictures? If that was the only reason you took it down. Your fans want to read It! Note to Mr. and Mrs. NM, ” Get a job! Support yourselves you free loading bumbs! How can you raise a child like that.
wow kitten. . .you must be horribly unhappy if your spending your time on hear slandering me when i have done nothing. yes i wrote a neg feedback but i don’t have to defend myself as to why. and as for my partner and i, yes sometimes i call him partner sometimes husband we had one fight in 6 years and when i posted about it people took it out of context and began calling me horrible names so i asked it to be closed. those same people sent me hate male at a very inappropriate time (the anniversary of my daughters death) just shows how mature they are. get a life kitten, and stay out of mine.
mail* ugh
Naw sproutmama, not unhappy. By the many threads you started it seems your life is very unpleasant. I’m sorry for that.
If you want others to stay out of your life, I suggest you keep things that are very personal to you out of a public forum. Remember, the Etsy forums are not your diary.
I also don’t recall anyone asking you to defend the negative you wrote to NM. I think it was well deserved and I’m glad you gave it. The dress you ordered is very cute, I hope it eventually arrives.
I am also sorry about your daughter’s death. I don’t know if you received hate mail relating to that (although I can’t even imagine how that could warrant hate mail!) or just general run of the mill hate mail. Either way, I would never condone that.
The story about the stick up is on his myspace page here;
http://www.myspace.com/ MonsieurGodot remove the space after the/, no link, it will take time to get posted. You’ll have to highlight the text on that page in order to read it.
no my life is great actually. which is why i quit etsy. i was getting sucked into unhappy housewives gossip
Every day I come in and read a few posts, get disgusted, and walk away.
Everyday I am overwhelmed at some of the absurd accusations, and saddened at the sensible participants who’s posts are seemingly overlooked or ignored.
A few days ago someone asked where I stood now.. I believe they asked if I was still “toking the nutmeg bong.” (Classy choice of words, thank you.) Today I decided I need to reply, but not in the middle of all of this insanity.
Here’s all I have to say about the matter, for now. If you have any questions, you can comment on my blog or email me. I won’t be back here.
http://huggieshodgepodge.blogspot.com/2009/10/some-call-me-huggie-but-adia-can-always.html
Sproutmama good for you for quitting if it makes you unhappy! Life is too short for stuff that makes you miserable.
Now as to what Kitten said, she was bang on in post #1308. I have read a lot of your posts and your life did sound very depressing. I am glad that you are doing great.
again, absurdity.
playing a prank at a pizza-hut at the age of seventeen? in what way is this relevant?
vintage child pornography? you might be thinking of my friend who was remotely linked to the ‘june laelea tru-froots’ babelfish blog; ‘pwentley’ or whatever he used at the time. he made some nice pixelsmash whatnots from Jock Sturgis images. in any case, that is, as usual, highly irrelevant.
for the record, i never smoked anything while i was pregnant, or any other time since the age of fourteeen, for that matter. i despise marijuana; makes the head feel fuddly. in the height of my mid-teen experimentation, marijuana (or anything smokable) were never in my spectrum of interest. poke about the old etsy threads if you want to verify my stance thereupon.
as for the various accusations of ‘shiftlesness’, you have it on your roster that i teach english as a second language. that’s a job, no? or is it merely proof that i’m a scion of evil? we also do travel writing, exhibits, and photography books with a fair amount of frequency. my personal finances or the means by witch i obtain them, though, are…..
(say it with me)
entirely irrelevant!
to whomever asked, the reason i’m not posting further updates on the adia blog is because they all come from my friend in hyderabad at this point. guess what? he writes like a babelfish’ed hippie too! clearly it would be an inappropriate context in which to communicate. if you want to know her status, please contact me by email.
please watch a blog thread near you for evidence that i have constructed a rainbow enema store entirely out of inauthentic Chinese kimono material, and use it to host the best hash-orgies known to man (served entirely by children whom i have photoshopped into existence) since the late nineteen-sixties. this is, at this point, a fun exercise in who can say the most absurd things about me; you or i.
sprout – your dress IS coming. i can scan you the shipping receipt . i won’t debate the negative – but i also didn’t get my part of the trade (for reasons at fault of neither you nor i), so i wish you could’ve talked to me first. in any case it’s good that you’ve come to the grand epiphany that a fair amount of etsy drama (and surely blogs made to harp upon things even etsy shuts down) is the past-time of rather narrow and shrivelled women, and found more enjoyable things to do.
now i just need to do the same, disentagle myself fully, and stop indulging in the reprobate glee of finding out what preposterous ‘dirt’ has surfaced about me each day.
in the meantime, let us address the fresh batch!
playing a prank at a pizza-hut at the age of seventeen? in what way is this relevant? i know that such myopic individuals are oblivious to the intricacies or nuances of culture-jamming or any of its periphery, but it makes you seem rather foolish to bandy about concepts you cannot fathom.
vintage child pornography? you might be thinking of my friend who was remotely linked to the ‘june laelea tru-froots’ babelfish blog; ‘pwentley’ or whatever he used at the time. he made some nice pixelsmash whatnots from Jock Sturgis images. in any case, that is, as usual, highly irrelevant.
for the record, i never smoked anything while i was pregnant, or at any other time since the age of fourteeen, for that matter. i despise marijuana; makes the head feel fuddly. in the height of my mid-teen experimentation, marijuana (or anything smokable) was never in my spectrum of interest. poke about the old etsy threads if you want to verify my stance thereupon.
nor did i even BLOG while i was pregnant (check your dates, super-sleuths!) – mayhap i was not even in a country where access to blogging is widely permitted. i may have been boycotting instantaneous media to gather material for a prject. what i was assuredly NOT doing was blogging anything about smoking anything.
if i, in my june-laelea blog of the early 2000′s, babelfished a Beatles song and it said something like ‘and then i sang Le Paz Le Paz the fetus hazard glee inside green onion, i’m so high, inside green onion’……(please, do draw your own conclusions).
for the interested, that is an authentic english-vietnamese-hebrew-spanish-english passage from ‘come together’ by the beatles.
as for the various accusations of ‘shiftlesness’, you have it on your roster that i teach english as a second language. is that a job, or merely proof that i’m a scion of evil? we also do travel writing, exhibits, and photography books with a fair amount of frequency. my personal finances or the means by which i obtain them, though, are…..
(say it with me)
entirely irrelevant!
to whomever asked, the reason i’m not posting further updates on the adia blog is because they all come from my friend in hyderabad at this point. guess what? he writes like a babelfish’ed hippie too! clearly it would be an inappropriate context in which to communicate. if you want to know her status, please contact me by email.
i have never activated my artfire shop. you said so yourself when you posted the blurbs from it which you did. if this is not factual, it will be made so post-haste, for i have no intention of selling from it in its current position. my coriander shop is NOT functional.
please watch a blog thread near you for evidence that i have constructed a rainbow enema store entirely out of inauthentic Chinese kimono material, and use it to host the best hash-orgies known to man (served entirely by children whom i have photoshopped into existence) since the late nineteen-sixties. there will also be super-anarchist Maltov cocktail contests.
this is, at this point, a fun exercise in who can say the most absurd things about me; you or i.
that said – please do not bring my father nor my daughter into this discussion any further – it is highly inappropriate, and there is no need to associate third parties with this smouldering heap of laughable slander.
now, this little ditty wass for pussdaddy’s blog, but who knows if it shall actually appear there.
i am referencing the accusation that we are child prnograpgers because a livejournal lists as its user-interests ‘vintage child pornography’.
it also lists as interests “15th-century-french-aardvark-lore, andrebellion-againstsuch”, as well as things like ‘i-think-it-is-the-nature-of-boxes”
good god! now we all know who was behind the french-aardvark-anarchist-cartel!
‘bipblip’ on livejournal is also not Nick’s blog. it is made by a lad named David, (use your super-sleuth powers!) the same person who made http://blel.blogspot.com/
i have more than two dozen livejournals, tumblrs, bloggers, random social networking sites, etc, under a myriad of names (i will throw you one: voltarina arcadia) which are sometimes things i take half-seriously, sometimes Fluxus or culture-jamming projects, and sometimes just absurd tangents or repositories for over-translated text snippets.
nothing in any of them prove anything because half of it is invented, either for a creative reason or for sheer absurd silliness, or encoded stashes of material for later work that only i would actually understand. it all has fake names and dates and zippadeedoo.
i also have created fake personal ads, entire blog personas, and profiles on a wide assortment of sites in tandem with a group of friends, for the purpose of staving off boredom and lackadasical poetic terrorism. we have also made a spoof cult called ‘green onion mandir’. (see beatles song above….hey, didn’t CHARLES MANSON like the beatles too?)
these are also mostly from the early 2000s when i had sufficient time on my hands for such pranks and capers.
the fact that you could even pretend to derive proof of theft from all of this is preposterous.
you may continue to slander me, with my wholehearted endorsement. the things you’re pointing out are mostly surrealist pranks, and it’s highly amusing and potentially artistically viable to see what happens when such things are contextualized thusly.
the only, quite reasonable, request i have is that you leave my father and daughter out of your histrionics. there is no reason for you to besmirch third parties. frankly, my father is too cool to have his name spoken by one such as yourself, and to insult someone’s child is what is known as a ‘low-blow’.
to conclude, just for fun….this is what you, puss, said in your last comment on your blog (after being pushed through four languages).
“Really, I do think, and not think about the rest asked. because even if it concerns someone jotkeulrikhaeyahapnida do I just think sometimes people without me I’m stupid!”
i hold you accountable for this statement, because it is on the internet now, and thus clearly it is fact.
Dear Nutmeg,
Get a therapist. If not for yourself, then for your daughter.
Concerned human.
Again Nutmeg says “i have never activated my artfire shop. you said so yourself when you posted the blurbs from it which you did. if this is not factual, it will be made so post-haste, for i have no intention of selling from it in its current position. my coriander shop is NOT functional.”
x
“you said so yourself when you posted the blurbs “
I certainly never said that because the shop has always been activated whenever I have checked it and don’t remember anyone else saying it wasn’t active either
X
STOP LYING NUTMEG
Nutmeg please don’t treat everyone here as if they are as stupid as you must be to stick so tenaciously to your lies even when they are proven to be lies. Its possible you have reached the stage where you can no longer identify fact from fiction
If the scarf was inactivated, as you claimed, on Etsy it couldn’t have sold. Everyone can see it in your sold items.
If Artfire wasn’t activated and coriandr not functional it wouldn’t have been possible to add it to the shopping cart and proceed to the point of confirming the purchase and paying for it.
I have checked and they are still for sale and can still be added to the shopping cart.
Everyone can see this for themselves
You are still offering an item for sale on two sites that you sold two days ago and admit you do not have with you to send anyway. This probably applies to all the items for sale on all three sites we know about
Every time you post more lengthy garbage you make yourself look worse
What a fucking nutcase. Fruit Loop would have been a better name for her, or him, as this is most likely him posting now. Why their buyers on Etsy keep emailing me to say they won”t talk to them is sad as they have no problem talking there.. We are all wrong, the vintage child porn thing and robbing a store-well what they hell do YOU do for amusement-doesn’t everybody do stuff like this?
You see, we are just mere mortals, no where near the super-ego/super-human/super-intelligent level of nutsack and her husband, and only worthy of being shit on and taken advantage of by ubermensch such as themselves, and as long as we sit here and let them do it and volunteer for one of their screwings, well whatever they can scam out of us or whatever we willingly hand over to them then we deserve to lose and they deserve to gain. And I didn’t nead a fucking bablefish translator to figure it out.
Ok I try to be open-minded a lot—but Nutmeg, the fact that you admit to creating “two dozen” fake blogs, online personas under dozens of different names, fake profiles, fake personals ads…well, it DOES make you seem…unstable for lack of a better word.
If you yourself state that you did all the above for “pranks and capers”…and that half of the things you say online is “invented” for your “amusement” (again your words)…you cannot be surprised that people are going to think the whole Adia thing was made up as a “prank and caper” as well.
Surely even you can understand why people would think this is a scam–especially after what you just admitted to above.
Ok, since nutbag gave me her wholehearted endorsement to keep on slandering her-as she refers to it, I went ahead and reactivated my blog post about her. I, however, do not consider it slander.
I did however make a new blog post of the exact same one I had before to get rid of the old comments in the comment section.
http://pussdaddyblogs.blogspot.com/2009/10/more-interesting-stuff-about_24.html
Nothing in life can be proven because half of it is invented and nothing but a zipadeedoodah prank. It works for me and next month when my mortgage payment comes due, that’s exactly what I’m going to tell my lender.
If they give me any shit, I’ll be sure and let them know that the photos of my house aren’t real either. The dates from 3 years ago are fake and there must have been some super ninja photoshopping done as a culture-jamming experiment in an attempt to stave off lackadasical poetic terrorism. This isn’t my residence, it’s only a repository for over-translated text snippets spoken by the imaginary dirty-fingered green onion ding-dong cult members.
If they can’t appreciate the surrealist experimentation context of the whole damn thing, then they can stick it right up their wee Fluxus.
Everything NM says is made-up BS. She admits it and doesn’t seem to think it’s an issue. She talks about making up stories for the items she sells on that Shrimp Salad Circus Blog too. Made-up fantasies that are presented on the Internet as truths are considered to be, gasp, LIES, by most sane and rational people.
She really seems delusional and not in touch with reality. Her flowery prose and the snippets of language she borrows from Old English, Scottish phrases, French spelling, etc. bring to mind someone who is trying a bit too hard to be “special”. Her ever-evolving personas are as flaky as she is.
I hope no one is holding their breath waiting for honest replies to any of the serious questions she’s been asked.
I expect everyone, from here on out, to use real names, verified by Google, if they wish to continue to post.
Hi, I’m Kevin Bacon.
I checked on the claims made by NRS that the shops are open for business today despite Nutmeg’s statement that one had never been activated and the other was closed (not functional to be exact).
Yep they are and I could have bought the scarf that sold two days ago on Etsy if I hadn’t been too fussy to want to touch something that had been round that neck.
Well would you?
As seeing is believing and you might not want to track them down I took screenshots of the scarf in the shopping cart on both those sales sites.
http://filber-t.blogspot.com/
Anyone still believing Nutmeg is a total fuckwit.
“Yep they are and I could have bought the scarf that sold two days ago on Etsy if I hadn’t been too fussy to want to touch something that had been round that neck.”
Oh come on, what’s a little impetigo and scabies between friends?
I don’t trust people unless they use their real name. I think that blog is a lie. No real name. Unverified. Fail.
Speaking of fuckwits – are you here again eyemohini?
Whatever you say, “eyemohini.”
In Mr Nutmeg’s own words
“I pretended to hold up a pizza hut with a plastic gun in a bathrobe once.It was a joke.They didnt get it-I was charged with attempted armed robbery,but got out with a couple years probation”
it sucks that the police didn’t get that it was a joke doesn’t it Nutmeg?
How is this relevant?
Reveals a lot about a persons character.
Nutmeg, I’m with Karina here; the number of made-up names and blogs and whatnot do make you look unstable and flaky.
How can the average reader of your writings determine which post or idea is true? Do you see how all of that made-up stuff undermines the credibility of your statements about the child? And how the lies in which you’ve been caught (like the fact that your other shops are open and the OOAK scarf which sold on etsy is up for sale elsewhere) make it even more difficult to believe you?
If the child exists and you’re able to individually update people on her status, why can’t you update the blog? Surely you could provide a translation, if necessary?
Any replies to me from anon individuals will be considered hacking and identity fraud.
I would just like to point out that the updates blog and team profile were deleted by me, not nutmeg, as they were under my name.
nutmeg i only left negative because after a dozen convos without reply i felt i had no choice . as for your purchase your package was sent back saying it was an invalid address and i repeatedly tryed to contact you for a valid address but you never gave me one. im sorry your goign through hard time right now but i still deserved to be responded to. i hope this will be worked out and i hope your doing ok.
as for mylife, yes im having financial difficulties but i have wonderful friends and family and am happier then ive ever been. money means nothing to me. money doe snot equate happiness. its to bad you think it does.
It has been drawn to my attention that Nutmeg has altered the announcement in her Etsy shop (that is the one she claims hasn’t been activated don’t forget).
Today it says:-
Vacation Message:
I will be out of the country in October and November of 2009. If you wish to purchase something from my shop, please contact me so we can work out the specifics! love, nutmeg
However you can still purchase anything in the shop including that dyed rag because items can be added to the shopping cart – so nothing really changed except the announcement. It doesn’t make clear which country she is going to be out of – USA (Atlanta), India, Nepal ?
To see the shop announcement as it was two days ago and today visit my blog for more screenshots.
http://filber-t.blogspot.com/
Sorry that should of course say in her ARTFIRE shop, reading her posts is starting to affect me.
Nutmeg- I sure wish you would offer to scan MY shipping receipt… or respond to my convos… or respond to my Paypal claim…
I read your feedback, sproutmama, and sighed. My nesting dolls were supposed to be a birthday gift for my little girl. Her party was today. Oh, well. We still had a lot of fun painting tote bags and decorating cupcakes.
{{{hugs}}}} for Stacey and Sprout.
Nutmeg, you mentioned how absurd it would be to chat up with people in the forums for months, then pull something like this to betray them.
Actually, that’s exactly how it’s done. On an Oprah episode, they referred to it as ‘grooming’. In many cons, people are ‘groomed’ to like and respect the con artist, so as to gain their trust. It can often take months, even longer, depending on the scale of the scam or con.
OMG NUTMEG WAS ON OPRAH?!
Thanks for providing those screen shots Filbert
People can see I am not making things up or hallucinating, with so many statements that the Artfire account hasn’t been activated and the Coriandr is not functional I was starting to wonder about my own sanity in this crazy thread
Stacey and Sprout I sincerely hope you receive your items or better yet a refund of your money
Squeakyclean of course that is how its done, nobody will rally round a stranger the way they will someone who has cultivated their friendship
Filbert Says:
October 24, 2009 at 7:54 am
Speaking of fuckwits – are you here again eyemohini?
X
That wouldn’t be my choice of language but I agree with the sentiment
How about the nutmeg supporters put their money where their mouth is.
The supporters including Hippiehemstress can pay back any items that nutmegs customers haven’t received. Nutmeg will in return pay you back.
I am serious. If you guys believe in her so much then do it! This will make the buyers happy and everything will be just swell. You shouldn’t have any problem because nutmeg is trustworthy and good for it, right?
Come on you supporters time to put out. I think it’s only fair.
one last thing. it wasn’t a trade, i paid for my item.
Mary Says:
How about the nutmeg supporters put their money where their mouth is.
The supporters including Hippiehemstress can pay back any items that nutmegs customers haven’t received. Nutmeg will in return pay you back.
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Great idea Mary!
Actually, once again, since this blog entry is titled “Questioning Adia foundation/founders” I’d like to ask when this thread was going to get back on topic (or was that resolved by all the kind words to aunties?) or maybe just a quick thread title change to be more in line with the comments here.
Appropriate alternatives could be:
“We believe Google when it returns hits…”
“We give each other reach arounds while discussing hippies…”
Next time a seller flakes on Etsy, be sure to put this idea to Etsy also, as I’ve been saying from the beginning, your issues are with a seller on Etsy. Etsy is the issue. This thread has had VERY little to do with “Adia foundation/founders” (ie: the aunties), from post one.
Nice catch, RocksInMySocks .
“…lastly, make your item descriptions shine. When I can, I like to make up a little story about where I found the item, its previous lives and uses, etc to make it come alive with character.”
Great idea, Mary, too.
I’m lucky that I got my refund from Paypal before Nutmeg et al drained their Paypal account of money.
Clearly others haven’t been so lucky.
Does it strike anyone else that “nutmegs” writing style in these comments here and elsewhere varies and there are weird duplicates? I suspect she and her little group of scammers rotate who answers so, of course, there are variations in writing styles.
And the Wisconsin, Atlanta, India, Nepal location references are another huge red flag. Where in the World is Nutmeg?
To the supporters who went into this with a good heart, it’s time to stop the charade. I’m quite sure that there are people in your own neighborhoods who could use a hand. Or give money to local food banks, shelters and other agencies like the Red Cross or United Way. Give to legitimate organizations.
This is a classic internet scam. They (it’s always more than one) spend time establishing a personae on an online forum or chat, they get people “on their side,” they come up with a “cause,” but don’t ask for money directly and next thing you know they have thousands of dollars in donations organized by the very people they have “marked” in their scam.
Interesting movie
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093223/
“I suspect she and her little group of scammers rotate who answers so, of course, there are variations in writing styles.”
Really. We’re not paranoid or anything are we?
Interesting movie
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099173/
eyemohini
You clearly have an agenda. You also, clearly, have no objectivity about this subject.
If you would do some very basic research you would find that Nutmeg et al are a classic internet scam group.
But, of course, sticking your head in the sand and perhaps protecting your own ego is far more interesting/important, yes?
Grow up. You got taken and you were used. Deal with it and then, most importantly, warn others.
For those who really do want to understand this scam, do some research on “confidence” or “con” games or hustles or schemes or tricks or swindles.
The internet makes this far easier because before the internet most of this was done in person. It’s much more difficult to swindle people in person. So much easier online.
I clearly do have an agenda. I bet it’s not the one you’re assuming. I also agree with the objectivity comment, but again, I bet my alliances are far from what you’re assuming.
And insinuating?
My ego? I was taken?
Four paragraphs of assumptions.
gg no re. You can be sure I’ll reply, you don’t have to assume that.
Interesting movie
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088794/
Lucky, you’re addressing someone who clearly has trouble comprehending most things said here.
The best advice I know is ignore the troll. It’s kind of funny to see them post and nobody replies to them. Then they post the same thing again because no one paid attention to them. Sad, but funny because no one likes trolls.
People love trolls.
Interesting movie
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0126029/
I clearly do have an agenda. I bet it’s not the one you’re assuming. I also agree with the objectivity comment, but again, I bet my alliances are far from what you’re assuming.
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eyemohini, have you ever gone by the names sportscard7 (s*******7) or ssnafu?
Nope.
sproutmama Says:
October 24, 2009 at 5:20 pm
one last thing. it wasn’t a trade, i paid for my item.
________________________
Possibly she was confused with ME – who did do a trade with her for a dress for my daughter. That was over 2 months ago – it hasn’t arrived. At least count I’ve sent 6 convos and 2 emails – all ignored. Have given up now of course.
If a person keeps saying “email me for details” and then your emails are ignored. Well, what is one supposed to believe?
I have been a bystander so far, but now that my computer has been compromised I have to get involved.
If it is so “preposterous” that Nutcases husband was in the Grinnell College Computer program and can hack, why does his 2007 Livejournal show a picture of him in his college shirt, reading a textbook? It is obviously his journal, Strayoff, linked to hers.
http://strayoff.livejournal.com/5183.html
If you do not want to go to a link, just go to the Livejournal Strayoff. It is the second entry from the top, from 2007
If this information that Nutcase said was so “absurd” is easily proved in a couple minutes on her blogs, what else is obviously true that she says is not?
The hacking problem is serious and I intend to follow it up. Hopefully everyone else who feels their computers were compromised will do this.
“I have been a bystander so far, but now that my computer has been compromised I have to get involved.”
And you’re again, POSITIVE, that it’s something ‘pushed’ to you instead of something you yourself came across?
I’d also like to point out that keeping your system up to date (not just the OS but third party applications too) is pretty much the easiest way to avoid getting ‘drive by’ malware/virus’/etc.
Oh, and a competent AV product.
Its Serious Says:
I have been a bystander so far, but now that my computer has been compromised I have to get involved.
If it is so “preposterous” that Nutcases husband was in the Grinnell College Computer program and can hack, why does his 2007 Livejournal show a picture of him in his college shirt, reading a textbook? It is obviously his journal, Strayoff, linked to hers.
http://strayoff.livejournal.com/5183.html
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WOW! o_O
Was that before they met. Maybe he lied to her about it, lol.
Thank you, Its Serious. I am following it up, and will add that screenshot to the report I’m sending IC3.gov.
*** makes mental note to delete all the naked photos of her husband off her HD ***
That’s a crime in itself.
the name i sent money too was Brittaney Vincent in altlanta,ga.
Confused Sprout do you mean the payment for what you bought from Nutmeg
She did say on Etsy that her paypal was set up by Mr Nutmeg’s father because she douldn’t do it for herself for some reason he probably used her real name
If you look under strayoff’s profile, you’ll see….
Created on 2004-12-31 05:32:12 (#5605175), last updated 2009-10-25
Last update was yesterday, and it was probably uploading the tshirt photo to the journal. Look at their exigently photobucket account, the latest photos uploaded are of him in the shirt, (including one with another shirt hanging up in the background that has Nepal on it) and these were uploaded after the Adia photos.
http://strayoff.livejournal.com/5445.html
or just go to the first entry.
now, before you start shouting that this is proof of my ‘ninja-photoshop skills’, please do try to consider the matter with a broader scope.
you have accused me of something morally heinous and criminal – inventing a dying child in order to defraud good people of money, and indeed befriending these people in order to deceive them. your ‘proof’ of this is a slew of de-contextualized fact and fiction on the malleable world of the internet.
all you have ‘proved’ is that i am weird. not even sex-and-drug grazed as you purport, but just that i’ve done weird whatnot on the internet in my early twenties.
there is a wide gulf between making a weird blog full of over-translated text, and intentionally scamming people of money under the premise of a starving child. just because i write a novel or a film or a blog under a pen name full of all sorts of complex and weirdfantasy, does not mean that i am dishonest in my personal affairs.
the only incontrovertible facts which have been presented here are where the money went which was collected for ADIA – and that money is clearly not stolen.
i saw a child and tried to help her in whatever way i could. i also, in my early twenties, made a dozen weird blogs and networking profiles. the two are not interconnected. i am not a thief nor a liar – your ‘proof’ of this is not indeed proof.
this is why i have said from the beginnin that this is not a rational enquiry, but a witch-hunt. a witch-hunt goes like this:
‘goody brown is a witch! she made my cow die…she looked at it, then it died!’
‘i can prove it! she dances naked in the woods and likes to sing – obviously she has a pact with satan’
‘a can prove that too – we’ve all seen her go to the woods on several occasions’
‘hey – goody brown made my crops die’
‘i know that she likes to drink in the pub too!’
‘and my cat died when she walked by!’
‘GOODY BROWN IS A WITCH!’
i have never stolen money intended for ADIA. i did not ‘invent’ the story i told of her. it has all been as i said.
you can find any amount of anything on the internet to ‘prove’ anything you want about someone’s character or life, but it is a concrete fact that i did not invent the child Adia, nor appropriate money from her cause. my husband also never attended Grinnelll college or is capable of hacking a computer.
on the other hand, i hear that there are some Nazi war criminals hiding in Nepal. we DO use a lot of strange birthdates…..
i hope i have successfully demonstrated my point. you will hear nothing further from me on this thread – this is from all angles a ‘false matter’ and i do not believe it is appropriate for me to be involved with it any longer.
there is no question of any money being stolen or scammed under the name of the child ADIA – this has not happened. real facts, not internet sleuthing, back this up. that rather drains your fracas of any potential validity…..but if you wish to continue using me a figurehead for talking slag about the psychedelic unseemliness of hippies and other ne’er-do-wells, enjoy yourselves if you can.
if you have a problem with my etsy, wish to know about Adia, or any other such – address me privately after the histrionics have died down. i will not pander to irrational accusations or questions, but am still open to discuss matters of import.
all hail green onion.
Just a couple of questions.
Where is Adia now? Do you have any contact with anybody in India now that can give any updates about her condition?
Who is in charge of that Adia paypal account then?
Perhaps my questions were too difficult to answer.
but if you wont answer my convos or emails where am i to go? it makes me sad. i feel so confused.
Nutmeg, as I explained in my previous post, we cannot just take your word that:
- the child exists,
- you took her to the hospital, and
- you did not keep any money for yourself
Given your history of lying, making stuff up, crappy shop practices, and working illegally (while under a non-working tourist visa); your word is valueless. Give us proof. You say you have proof: produce it.
Show us proof.
sprout Says:
October 25, 2009 at 10:46 pm
but if you wont answer my convos or emails where am i to go? it makes me sad. i feel so confused.
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EXACTLY Sprout. I’d love to give nutmeg the benefit of the doubt, but I am sick to death of being ignored. It’s complete BS that she will reply to your emails OR convos – trust me, I have tried.
It is obviously pointless going round in circles and being lied to or ignored
Email me with your questions so I can ignore you the way I ignore people asking where their purchases are or if I reply can deny what I said at a later date
I resell and cheat my customers but that is nothing important
I tell lies about the status of my shops but it isn’t important
I make up fantasy stories and tell lies for amusement but that isn’t important
I can’t tell you about Adia or update my blog because my friend writes as much BS as I do
I am so terribly shy I post slutty photos of myself for all to see but I don’t want to risk meeting a doctor in a hospital unless I know who he is so I am putting on my act when I see him or can totally avoid him and say I missed him
The strange post number 1360 by its serious claiming to have had their computer compromised was written by the same person supposed to be Nutmeg in 136 Its REALLY Serious from the same email
Who was it, I no longer give a damn
Its late, I’m going to bed
Good luck everyone who is waiting for what you bought or a refund
“you will hear nothing further from me on this thread – this is from all angles a ‘false matter’ and i do not believe it is appropriate for me to be involved with it any longer”
Once a chickenshit, always a chickenshit.
And still a liar too. Why keep asking people to email you when we all know you will not be (have not been) answering those emails?
By continuing the ‘email me’ charade, you’re only serving to call further attention to the fact that you can lie without blinking.
If I were high would this stupidity make sense?
Anon8 said:
“If you look under strayoff’s profile, you’ll see….
Created on 2004-12-31 05:32:12 (#5605175), last updated 2009-10-25
Last update was yesterday, and it was probably uploading the tshirt photo to the journal. Look at their exigently photobucket account, the latest photos uploaded are of him in the shirt, (including one with another shirt hanging up in the background that has Nepal on it) and these were uploaded after the Adia photos.”
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If you look at my screenshot of this LiveJournal page, which shows the entry with half-picture of him wearing this t-shirt, it says this above that entry:
strayoff wrote, @ 2007-02-21 12:29:00,
and the word, “Glimposes…” written above the picture. However, I’m not suprised that he has since logged onto that 2-year old account, after the post by Its Serious above.
Ed, was your screenshot taken before 10/25?
I agree with not surprised and think it’s Nut herself posting as the 2 Serious posters. Doubt that the serious posters will return, just like that other poster who claimed to have gotten a convo asking for $3000, that one never returned. It’s all probably Nut just stirring the pot. She likes the attention.
Nutmeg, now is the time for legal representation. This and PDs posts need to be taken down and a letter from an attorney will get the ball rolling. If the blog owners refuse you can try the “world of grief” approach and contact everyone remotely related to the site detailing your claims and threatening to sue – the web host, ISP, domain registar, everyone listed in the Whois records, site advertisers or affiliate partners, etc. As Libel is a vague charge, you might also look around the site for some probably copyright violations (if it’s a blog, they probably exist) and report those, too.
youreallidiots Says:
Nutmeg, now is the time for legal representation. This and PDs posts need to be taken down and a letter from an attorney will get the ball rolling. If the blog owners refuse you can try the “world of grief” approach and contact everyone remotely related to the site detailing your claims and threatening to sue – the web host, ISP, domain registar, everyone listed in the Whois records, site advertisers or affiliate partners, etc. As Libel is a vague charge, you might also look around the site for some probably copyright violations (if it’s a blog, they probably exist) and report those, too.
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Yeah, I’m thinkin’ the last thing Nutmeg wants to do is get involved with any sort of legal entity. She has too many skeletons in the closet, and really they’re not actually in the closet, they’re in full view of anyone and everyone.
Youreall, you probably meant to pick a user name that started with ima. Check, they may let you change it.
“Nutmeg, now is the time for legal representation.”
Yes, what a wonderful idea. Nuttymeg, you can use the Adia funds to hire a scumbag to sue people for telling the truth and offering opinions, all from the safety of a foreign country while channeling your Etsy and online funds through other people’s bank accounts and lying about plans to return home for an imaginary show of things most likely made by someone else.
Yeah, that will definitely get your name out there in a much more positive light.
*too fucking funny!*
The truth?
Here’s some truths:
PD is a known drug user and had engaged in criminal activity for many years doing who-knows-what to fund her addiction. She also more than likely has deep emotional problems and unless I speak to her psychiatrist I’ll never believe she’s a sane, healthy individual. She also has a shopping addiction and proudly boasts about it.
Yet you all hold her word as gospel.
EdC is an idiot who is too stupid to keep their computer clean from viruses and then blames NM for it which is so preposterous I’m beginning to think it was a lie to see who would fall for it. And people did, also blaming their lack of computer security on NM. They are also such low life scum they’ll use their child/children in their vendetta claiming their family’s safety is at risk. EdC also neglects their family by spending hours upon hours trolling the net looking for information to use against NM.
And yet you all believe every word they write.
Trudy is clearly not all there as she continuously writes rambling, incoherent crap that is too hard to follow. No wonder NM didn’t just follow her blindly.
But you all do.
Most of the posters here are American who are so stupid as a collective a good portion of them believe the earth is only 6000 years old, think fairies are real and voted in Bush. More than once.
That’s the truth and you all worship the idiots feet.
Oh, this is going to be fun…
*** clicks the notify by email for this ***
Yourealidiots, what about me? Of course I’m Canadian, but I wasn’t included in your list. Is that because I’ve been asking reasonable questions?
I feel so left out.
Whether I agree with PD or not, she kicked a drug habit. That takes more strength and character than nutmeg’s (or her husband’s) made-up posts do.
Since I’m posting, could you provide the “proof” nutmeg claims to have?
Shade!? Is that you?
Taking time out from ripping people off to defend another grifter?
lmao
The truth?
Here’s some truths:
PD is a known drug user and had engaged in criminal activity for many years doing who-knows-what to fund her addiction. She also more than likely has deep emotional problems and unless I speak to her psychiatrist I’ll never believe she’s a sane, healthy individual. She also has a shopping addiction and proudly boasts about it.
(((((A former drug user, which she admits to, so no secret.)))))
(((((A shopping addiction? Come on, most of the things she posts she buys are trinkets, little earrings, cards, and really who the fuck cares! I didn’t realize it was a crime to shop. She is stimulating the economy, not out begging. Unless she is asking you for money (you know like Nutmeg), it’s no one’s business, but her and husbands.)))))
Yet you all hold her word as gospel.
(((((Yep, I actually do. She will admit when she is wrong. She can laugh at herself and yes, I do think she is honest with a good heart.)))))
EdC is an idiot who is too stupid to keep their computer clean from viruses and then blames NM for it which is so preposterous I’m beginning to think it was a lie to see who would fall for it. And people did, also blaming their lack of computer security on NM. They are also such low life scum they’ll use their child/children in their vendetta claiming their family’s safety is at risk. EdC also neglects their family by spending hours upon hours trolling the net looking for information to use against NM.
(((((Unless you know EdC in person, her family life, seen her computer in person, you’re spouting off rambling bullshit. Oh and yes, clearly anyone who ever got a computer virus is an idiot.)))))
And yet you all believe every word they write.
(((((The proof is there for anybody to read. Even though she made it idiot proof, there is still the odd man out who disputes it.)))))
Trudy is clearly not all there as she continuously writes rambling, incoherent crap that is too hard to follow. No wonder NM didn’t just follow her blindly.
But you all do.
(((I do have a hard time following what Trudy writes, but can you honestly say you understand Nutmeg? Come on, she writes like she is on acid have the time. Huzzah!)))
Most of the posters here are American who are so stupid as a collective a good portion of them believe the earth is only 6000 years old, think fairies are real and voted in Bush. More than once.
That’s the truth and you all worship the idiots feet.
(((((Talk about writing rambling, incoherent crap.))))
(((Oh and good try, uludag/misternutmeg/nutmeg. I’ve been waiting for the crazy sock puppet to start the insults against the *whistle blowers*. The Nutmeg clan must be getting nervous reading all the talk of notifying *the authorities.”)))
WHAT is the point of this blog? I am not specifically talking about the Nutmeg issue, but the other issues as well.
Is there a reason why all the complainers here are STILL on Etsy and don’t have website of their own? And why is everyone here writing in an anonymous names if they truly care about creating a perfect place?
If what you say is true about Etsy and the flagging , then doesn’t it prove that Etsy is only in it for the money? Why would you want to be associated with a business who doesn’t take care of their members?
MOVE ON to a true creative outlet….(sigh)
justwondering Says:
Is there a reason why all the complainers here are STILL on Etsy and don’t have website of their own? And why is everyone here writing in an anonymous names if they truly care about creating a perfect place?
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What websites would get the traffic of Etsy? Just speaking for myself, I don’t want the hassle of running my own website. I am sure I am getting way more sales on Etsy, than out on my own.
Well I think common sense should tell you why people use anonymous names, especially if they are running a business. Is your legal name justwondering? If not, why aren’t you using your real name?
Why do some come here to tell others what they should and shouldn’t do. If posting here is not for you, just move on.
Faeries ARE real and no way would I ever have voted for Bush.
Oh yeah, that’s Shade. He’s been twitering about this since the beginning. He’s jealous NM is getting more airtime than him.
He even compared how many closing threads he had compared to Stylesmith. Too fucking funny!
“Why do some come here to tell others what they should and shouldn’t do.”
Actually all the comments about lifestyle choices regarding people, makes the above statement true. More than people want to admit?
And that “some” is the majority here.
squeakyclean Says:
Oh yeah, that’s Shade. He’s been twitering about this since the beginning. He’s jealous NM is getting more airtime than him.
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I thought he’d be in prison by now.
Shade and CWebster are just jealous that Nutmeg got some of the money that could have gone to their lazy asses.
LOL
Hey Nutmeg – HOW IS ADIA?????
im not using anonymous names at all. i don’t believe all the nonsense conspiracy theories. i do believe that i got mixed up in something icky and nutmeg refuses to answer my convos and emails. even though she tells me here to email her and when i do still no answer. i deserve answers. i have been nothing but nice. if she does this to me, someone who once supported her wholeheartedly, then i just don’t know what to think anymore.
so to you who thinks that were all idiots ( i cant vouch for everyone) what am i?
Sprout, I remember reading your posts in the forums. it seemed you were friends So, yeah, if she can blindside you like this and ignore you, well, wjw. She’s lower than I thought.
Hold up.
PussDaddy can scream “SEX CRAZED DRUG ADDICT” at someone, and use their bizarre blogs with boobie pics from five years ago as “proof” that they’re lying, scamming demons as well as generally bad people.
But no one questions the credibility of PussDaddy, who is known to be an ex-methhead with an actual and provable criminal record, and who clearly spends a LOT of time on the internet talking slander about anyone they can get their hands on?
“I, PussDaddy, kicked my meth habit and stopped committing crimes sooooo many years ago. GO ME! But that hippie chick Nutmeg wrote a blog full of nonsense five years ago, and I can see her boobs, and Nutmeg isn’t her real name! SHE’S OBVIOUSLY A TERRIBLE CRIMINAL!”
If Nutmeg wrote weird blogs, gulped down LSD, and took naughty pictures years ago, she is obviously a liar and a bad person in her personal affairs today. If PussDaddy is an acknowledged ex hard drug addict with a criminal record, she put her past behind her and went on to a shining life of internet slander, and is therefore completely trustworthy.
Cognitive dissonance, anyone?
Go check out the amateur porn I can find on Google from the search term “Puss Daddy”. Not the same Puss Daddy, but IT SAYS SO ON THE INTERNET. SAME NAME. Maybe PussDaddy DOES run a porn site!
Go check out the thread in which PussDaddy stirs up so much drama attacking one of her fellow ex-methheads that half of her comments were removed.
http://www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/in-praise-of-our-friend-melinda
Or just read PussDaddy’s blog in which she shows herself to be a meanspirited person who love to talk smack now that she no longer takes smack. Maybe that somehow ENTITLES her to talk smack?
Damned bastard junkie piece of shit, that Mr.Nutmeg’s husband. He did dope years ago too! The difference is that he wrote streams of consciousness and poetry around it. PussDaddy didn’t. So, he is a social miscreant and PussDaddy is not.
Poor PussDaddy. She’s being attacked now! ONLY PussDaddy can say ANYTHING they want about other people!
What about Trudy? No one can insinutate in any way that Trudy is half-lucid sometimes, batshit crazy at others, without being attacked, because she’s obviously just a sweet sweet old lady. Protective persona? Who is Trudy? Maybe she is who she says she is. The point is that nobody has even asked, and her persona is somehow sacrosanct.
All we know is that Nutmeg is definitely an EVIL LIAR HIPPIE because people said so.
They also say she stole money that is 100% accounted for.
So if they can’t prove that, then they say she’s a NASTY HIPPIE.
But PussDaddy was not a nasty methhead. She’s not calling the kettle black. She’s a bold survivor, ridding the world of evil and stirring up Etsy drama for what seems to be about 75% of her waking life.
Cognitive dissonance, or general idiocy, seems on the rise these days.
Its serious, Its REALLY serious, Dingdong and any other names you have posted here using that I may have missed you don’t get it do you
None of the other people here have been fund raising with the only evidence being their word for everything so their characters are not of importance, they have given links for everyone to see anyway so we don’t have to take their word for what they claim
None of them have been seen by everyone who cares to look to be lying and reselling and cheating their customers
I already said I used to do meth-a decade ago, so what kind of big revelation is that? I do not have a criminal record of any sort, let alone a “provable” one. I have had 4 traffic tickets in my life-the last one probably in 1995 or 1996. If you say I have a provable criminal record then prove it, otherwise you are wasting your breathe and making a fool of yourself.
I am sorry that it bothers a lot of you so much that I have money to shop, but that isn’t stopping me from shopping right now from Etsians for myself and for people i know for Christmas. Do any of you have other people that you shop for, or do you just take it for granted that everything I buy is for me? Not that I have to justify to anyone what I do with what I buy anyway. It is true that I have never stopped buying from Etsians and in fact I got an art print in the mail yesterday and am expecting about 6 things this week, and I have bought and received things on and off steadily since I left Etsy from Etsians. I would hope the rest of you ditzy bitches are also doing this to sell? I am sorry if you are not selling, as this seems to be your major bone of contention, No one has to question my credibility as I never ask anyone for money, but I sure as hell give a lot, and I pay for what I buy immediately no matter what I buy or how much it costs or how much I buy. I have such a bad criminal record that I have triple A or whatever credit and can get up right now and go buy practically whatever I want within reason-like I just did my new car. Not only do I not have a criminal record but I have excellent credit-do you?
Please fill us in on my “actual proven criminal record”. Links will do nicely, but I won’t hold my breathe until you find any because I do not have any type of criminal record. Do you know why this does not anger me? Because there is no truth in it. The closer people come to the actual truth the angrier the accused actually get if no one has noticed.
ShadeJewelry and cwebster are most likely asshole brothers, in the literal sense.
PD
Anyway, I know I for one am sick of nutmegclick and her junkie old man and their starving child story, they both only thrive on all of this anyway, so I put my blog posts about them in draft and really do not care to hear about either one of them anymore. The feedback says it all, the shop content says it all, their internet postings say it all, and if people don’t get it by now they never will anyway and pretty much deserve whatever they do get.
PD is a known drug user and had engaged in criminal activity for many years doing who-knows-what to fund her addiction. She also more than likely has deep emotional problems and unless I speak to her psychiatrist I’ll never believe she’s a sane, healthy individual. She also has a shopping addiction and proudly boasts about it.
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There’s a difference here though. A big one.
PussDaddy freely admitted everything, and came out with facts about herself on her own. No one had to search the web to find it, get all of her stories straight, assume, read different blogs to tie it altogether, or constantly try to track her down to find out “the truth”. She admitted it, she came out with it, and she answers questions raised about it in a straightforward manner.
Nutmeg won’t respond to convos/emails. Nutmeg prefers to laugh about her lies and made-up stories. Nutmeg ADMITS to making up more than 2 DOZEN personas, blogs, and profiles and ADMITS to pulling many online “pranks and capers” with unsuspecting and honest individuals who never did any harm to her. And she admitted this only AFTER many people provided the links to all of her different online blogs and she had no choice but to come out. And then, just ridiculed people about it instead. Nutmeg won’t answer any questions here except when responding in a sarcastic tone to be further combative. Nutmeg refuses time and time again to provide any proof behind her words.
I do not see how you can hold PussDaddy on a lower level here.
I did not attack this person for being a junkie, by the way. Every time I go over there to post the whole forum is divided into some sort of big pro/con drama concerning this person and I simply said as much.
http://www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/in-praise-of-our-friend-melinda
The only thing that makes me an idiot is the fact that I bought one of Nutmeg’s Adia charity items. So perhaps no item, no $48 and no communication is my punishment for being such an “idiot”…?
And Stacey is my real name.
I don’t care what blogs/pictures/names Nutmeg has made up. I care that she is screwing people over. There’s no conspiracy there. That’s fact.
Do you think that when Shade is finally a grown-up he will understand the difference between someone who lies and steals and someone who doesn’t?
Right now he seems a little cornfoozzeled.
Looks like his mama has been lax in more ways than I previously imagined.
I’m thinking that the poster isn’t shade – it’s nutmeg’s husband or friend. I suspect they’re posting that stuff to try and deflect attention from themselves.
Plus they get to hide behind fake names by posting that stuff. I think they like to do that.
Nutmeg, you still say that you didn’t take the money. If you’re telling the truth it shouldn’t be a big deal to show us proof of where the money went.
Come on, nutmeg, stop the silly games. Either show us the proof of where the money went or admit that you’ve been lying.
Meh. This thread isn’t about Pussdaddy. It is about Adia founders and foundation. Some people have problems with PD and they should take it up somewhere else, not here.
She passes most comments through her blog so if you should try her blog is you have a problem to take up with her.
PD’s past drug use does NOT excuse nutmeg’s actions.
I agree with Mary. You guys need to quit while you are behind! You are digging a deeper hole with ever post!
dingdong. I was absolutely shocked by the thread that you posted for all of us to see what pussdaddy wrote. Call 911!
PD is honest. We read all we wanted to read on her blog. No one is surprised, so if that’s the best you got you are in trouble! So give it a rest. If you are trying to top nutmeg and her husband you got a long way to go. We are not talking PD or Shade here. We are talking NM and the people she has screwed over. But I guess if I were her I would want to talk about old news on Etsy too.
So two more fresh shiny new negs and an empty shop in Etsy nutmegland.This is a perfect time for her/them to flounce off cause all the big meanies were so horrible to her.A perfect exit.And off to the next scam.The many different posting styles threw up a huge red flag for me months ago.The middle aged English man.Huzzah!!pip pip,hence,hitherto.The frenzied confused one.I dont noe wht iam going to dio Im so very frntiac.And the evasive verbose ten dollar word spouting persona posting here.And of course the brain tumor thread vitriol spitting friend.I feel very sorry for anyone taken in by this and sorrier for the fate of the poor little child in India.Unfortunately the world is filled with those who are more than happy to take advantage of others and who feel rules just dont apply to them.Selling mass produced probably by sweatshop labor bunk vintage and commercially made sewn clothing on a handmade site just shows she has a lack of character.And the subsequent dirt dug up like fake robbery and skanking photos just confirm it.The initial posts on Etsy about this child and the judgement on Indian culture and the power this familys women in their poverty have to control anything in their lives made me sick.Anyone who thinks just having the priviledge of North American birth(such as fruitbat nutmeg)is a saviour for anyone is deluded at the least.The attitude on the Adia board that the Nepali village idiot who had the audacity to be mentally ill in his own country and would be armless if it was up to a nutmeg devotee is just sad.If you really want to make some change donate to Kiva or similar charities that help women and children through empowerment not judgement and buying children.Byebye little nutmeg Im sure we’ll all see more of you.
I know that if I ask PD a question I will get a straight answer and quickly. No flowery prose or beating around the bush, she doesn’t have anything to hide,, she lays it all out there. Plus she’s got a certain wisdom in her style, I like it.
PD doesn’t make up story after story about being an established artist with several exhibits and books under her name, being an opera singer, living in a tree house, being a doula, a minister, whatever. Really Nutmeg, did you expect people to believe ALL that? You went a bit too far boosting yourself up.
She also doesn’t go around asking people to donate to her made up cause, she actually donates to things herself and donated to your so called chairity along with the rest of us. BTW, I still see no proof that the money in your charity is accounted for, I get no answers from you and you don’t see many of the auntys posting in here, not the one who has the paypal account.
So PD had a meth problem in the past, everyone has obstacles past. She kicked it and grew up. Problem with you, Nut, is that you’re still wallowing in your issues and need to get a handle o things. Seems like you have some insecurity issues that cause you to lie and you have a problem with providing financially for yourself and family. C’mon, how does a family of 3 travel all over the place with no job? I don’t see things flying off the shelves in any of your stores, so how do you manage to gather the $ to fund your travels, food, clothes, and such?
Hopefully somebody close to you will encourage you to get some help and get your act together. You have a baby to take care of now, she needs love, support and stable parents.
“It is about Adia founders and foundation.”
When did this happen? From post number ONE it’s been about *A* “founder” and nothing since has been about the “foundation” or the other “founders”.
Please change the blog title so people can stop being so confused.
Wait. That alone won’t be enough for most.
nutmeg why aren’t u posting under the name nutmeg anymore?
Whoah those negatives are piling up aren’t they?
What happened to your shop? It’s all empty. Cool.
I agree with ONE point eyemohini makes and that is that this thread was not about the Adia FOUNDERS it was about the FOUNDER ONE person. Unfortunately people supported her blindly but they are now seeing the light and she has basically lost all support which is great.
I await anxiously the day I try to visit Nutmeg’s store and I get a “Uh-Oh that username doesn’t exist” message.
Remember when Trudy first dared to question Nutmeg’s inconsistencies? And nutmeg posted how she was “crying incontrollably” over those accusations? Where is THAT nutmeg now? I expected her first post here to be tugging at the heartstrings but she came in all defensive, sarcastic, and evasive from her very first post here.
It is clear who Nutmeg really is, and if you refuse to see it then I at least hope you are not using your business name in her defense as it will forever be associated with this debacle.
Blindly? I don’t believe following your heart is a blind way of dealing with people. Except for maybe the heartless.
Eyemohini, I think some people did follow nutmeg with ther hearts, without thinking deeply about or questioning what she told them. To an outsider, they could appear to have been following nutmeg blindly. To me, what matters is that they were trying to do some good and they were following their hearts; if they were blind it was because their hearts obscured their vision. That’s not a bad thing – in fact, this world could use more people who thought with their hearts.
I also think that those who con these big-hearted people should be ashamed of themselves and punished as severely as the law allows.
Nutmeg still has items in her pulpindia shop. She has three shops, none of which declare all of them: nutmegclick, nutmegclicks, and pulpindia.
I don’t think it matters whether anyone
Wow. All those negatives in her shop. That’s just awful, to blatantly ignore all those people. I really can’t believe it. How does she sleep at night? I couldn’t even imagine doing this to one person.
Also, that orange ‘vintage’ turkish shirt is most definitely NOT vintage, or re-purposed with turkish trim. Those exact shirts are sold in the markets in India for a few dollars.
This is very, very bad.
justwondering Says:
Is there a reason why all the complainers here are STILL on Etsy and don’t have website of their own? And why is everyone here writing in an anonymous names if they truly care about creating a perfect place?
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What websites would get the traffic of Etsy? Just speaking for myself, I don’t want the hassle of running my own website. I am sure I am getting way more sales on Etsy, than out on my own.
Well I think common sense should tell you why people use anonymous names, especially if they are running a business. Is your legal name justwondering? If not, why aren’t you using your real name?
Why do some come here to tell others what they should and shouldn’t do. If posting here is not for you, just move on.
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In response to Kitten:
You dont want the hassle of running your own website?? Instead you would rather sit here and compalin about other people? Think about how much time you have put into this blog when you could be busy with your own website! Have you heard of SEO’s that would help to drive the traffic to your OWN website?
Your next comment about why people are using anonymous names is ludicris–this very reason is WHY you shouldn’t be using fake names…the people you pick on has a business too!
The last sentence is unbelieveable—you said it, not me! You just told on yourslf-sheesh!
♦The reason why I posted under the “Adia” thread is because I wanted answers to my questions and so far no one has answered them♦
Funky!!!
justwondering Says:
the people you pick on has a business too!
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You call that a business?!
I’m almost certain that youreallidiots is not Shade. Everything is spelled correctly.
If it was Shade it would be “yourallidiots”.
Maybe NM managed to do a lot i a few years because she didn’t spend most oif her life on internet gossip forums.
Anyway she never seems to have said she was an establioshed artist./ From what I remember on Etsy she said she did some things in some city’s gallery scene in her early 20′s and then got fed up wioth art scene politics. I think she mentioned doing some other random exhibits sionce then.
If you all got off of this board and started doing something useful instead of making fun of people who yoiu don’t like, or telling people like Chris to get off the internet and fget a job, or just being bored housweives in general, maybe you could all accomplish things in life.
Chantelle, there are receipt scans, paypal records verified by other people, hospital admission rewcords. All on the Adia websaite. What other proof do you want? If it’s awful if she “scammed big hearted people” like you said, don’t you think it’s REALLY awful to drag NM through the mud like these people are doing if she only treied to help? Even if you don’t agree thaqt it could help in the end? That’s just being big hearted too. Big hearted and flaky is not a crime, but people like to accuse that again and again.
Chantelle, there are receipt scans, paypal records verified by other people, hospital admission rewcords. All on the Adia websaite.
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I believe this part of the website can only be viewed by approved members who are their supporters–ie. The Aunties?
Its serious, Its REALLY serious, Dingdong, anony
All four are one and the same person suffering from a serious multi-personality disorder
This person who quite possibly has other identities posting here says in the latest post
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“If you all got off of this board and started doing something useful instead of making fun of people who yoiu don’t like, or telling people like Chris to get off the internet and fget a job, or just being bored housweives in general, maybe you could all accomplish things in life.”
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So the person masquerading under multiple names to cover the length of time they are spending on this blog and length of posts they make tells other people to do something useful, do you suggest something useful like making up new names to post under each day whateveryournametodayis
Do you forget who you are from one day to the next
These are their four posts during the last four days in easy to follow format, someone has quite an agenda that is occupying all their time
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Its Serious Says: October 24, 2009 at 11:08 pm
I have been a bystander so far, but now that my computer has been compromised I have to get involved.
If it is so “preposterous” that Nutcases husband was in the Grinnell College Computer program and can hack, why does his 2007 Livejournal show a picture of him in his college shirt, reading a textbook? It is obviously his journal, Strayoff, linked to hers.
http://strayoff.livejournal.com/5183.html
If you do not want to go to a link, just go to the Livejournal Strayoff. It is the second entry from the top, from 2007
If this information that Nutcase said was so “absurd” is easily proved in a couple minutes on her blogs, what else is obviously true that she says is not?
The hacking problem is serious and I intend to follow it up. Hopefully everyone else who feels their computers were compromised will do this.
Its REALLY Serious Says: October 25, 2009 at 10:00 pm
http://strayoff.livejournal.com/5445.html
or just go to the first entry.
now, before you start shouting that this is proof of my ‘ninja-photoshop skills’, please do try to consider the matter with a broader scope.
you have accused me of something morally heinous and criminal – inventing a dying child in order to defraud good people of money, and indeed befriending these people in order to deceive them. your ‘proof’ of this is a slew of de-contextualized fact and fiction on the malleable world of the internet.
all you have ‘proved’ is that i am weird. not even sex-and-drug grazed as you purport, but just that i’ve done weird whatnot on the internet in my early twenties.
there is a wide gulf between making a weird blog full of over-translated text, and intentionally scamming people of money under the premise of a starving child. just because i write a novel or a film or a blog under a pen name full of all sorts of complex and weirdfantasy, does not mean that i am dishonest in my personal affairs.
the only incontrovertible facts which have been presented here are where the money went which was collected for ADIA – and that money is clearly not stolen.
i saw a child and tried to help her in whatever way i could. i also, in my early twenties, made a dozen weird blogs and networking profiles. the two are not interconnected. i am not a thief nor a liar – your ‘proof’ of this is not indeed proof.
this is why i have said from the beginnin that this is not a rational enquiry, but a witch-hunt. a witch-hunt goes like this:
‘goody brown is a witch! she made my cow die…she looked at it, then it died!’
‘i can prove it! she dances naked in the woods and likes to sing – obviously she has a pact with satan’
‘a can prove that too – we’ve all seen her go to the woods on several occasions’
‘hey – goody brown made my crops die’
‘i know that she likes to drink in the pub too!’
‘and my cat died when she walked by!’
‘GOODY BROWN IS A WITCH!’
i have never stolen money intended for ADIA. i did not ‘invent’ the story i told of her. it has all been as i said.
you can find any amount of anything on the internet to ‘prove’ anything you want about someone’s character or life, but it is a concrete fact that i did not invent the child Adia, nor appropriate money from her cause. my husband also never attended Grinnelll college or is capable of hacking a computer.
on the other hand, i hear that there are some Nazi war criminals hiding in Nepal. we DO use a lot of strange birthdates…..
i hope i have successfully demonstrated my point. you will hear nothing further from me on this thread – this is from all angles a ‘false matter’ and i do not believe it is appropriate for me to be involved with it any longer.
there is no question of any money being stolen or scammed under the name of the child ADIA – this has not happened. real facts, not internet sleuthing, back this up. that rather drains your fracas of any potential validity…..but if you wish to continue using me a figurehead for talking slag about the psychedelic unseemliness of hippies and other ne’er-do-wells, enjoy yourselves if you can.
if you have a problem with my etsy, wish to know about Adia, or any other such – address me privately after the histrionics have died down. i will not pander to irrational accusations or questions, but am still open to discuss matters of import.
all hail green onion.
dingdong Says: October 27, 2009 at 2:14 am
Hold up.
PussDaddy can scream “SEX CRAZED DRUG ADDICT” at someone, and use their bizarre blogs with boobie pics from five years ago as “proof” that they’re lying, scamming demons as well as generally bad people.
But no one questions the credibility of PussDaddy, who is known to be an ex-methhead with an actual and provable criminal record, and who clearly spends a LOT of time on the internet talking slander about anyone they can get their hands on?
“I, PussDaddy, kicked my meth habit and stopped committing crimes sooooo many years ago. GO ME! But that hippie chick Nutmeg wrote a blog full of nonsense five years ago, and I can see her boobs, and Nutmeg isn’t her real name! SHE’S OBVIOUSLY A TERRIBLE CRIMINAL!”
If Nutmeg wrote weird blogs, gulped down LSD, and took naughty pictures years ago, she is obviously a liar and a bad person in her personal affairs today. If PussDaddy is an acknowledged ex hard drug addict with a criminal record, she put her past behind her and went on to a shining life of internet slander, and is therefore completely trustworthy.
Cognitive dissonance, anyone?
Go check out the amateur porn I can find on Google from the search term “Puss Daddy”. Not the same Puss Daddy, but IT SAYS SO ON THE INTERNET. SAME NAME. Maybe PussDaddy DOES run a porn site!
Go check out the thread in which PussDaddy stirs up so much drama attacking one of her fellow ex-methheads that half of her comments were removed.
http://www.blogcatalog.com/discuss/entry/in-praise-of-our-friend-melinda
Or just read PussDaddy’s blog in which she shows herself to be a meanspirited person who love to talk smack now that she no longer takes smack. Maybe that somehow ENTITLES her to talk smack?
Damned bastard junkie piece of shit, that Mr.Nutmeg’s husband. He did dope years ago too! The difference is that he wrote streams of consciousness and poetry around it. PussDaddy didn’t. So, he is a social miscreant and PussDaddy is not.
Poor PussDaddy. She’s being attacked now! ONLY PussDaddy can say ANYTHING they want about other people!
What about Trudy? No one can insinutate in any way that Trudy is half-lucid sometimes, batshit crazy at others, without being attacked, because she’s obviously just a sweet sweet old lady. Protective persona? Who is Trudy? Maybe she is who she says she is. The point is that nobody has even asked, and her persona is somehow sacrosanct.
All we know is that Nutmeg is definitely an EVIL LIAR HIPPIE because people said so.
They also say she stole money that is 100% accounted for.
So if they can’t prove that, then they say she’s a NASTY HIPPIE.
But PussDaddy was not a nasty methhead. She’s not calling the kettle black. She’s a bold survivor, ridding the world of evil and stirring up Etsy drama for what seems to be about 75% of her waking life.
Cognitive dissonance, or general idiocy, seems on the rise these days.
anony Says: October 28, 2009 at 4:45 am
Maybe NM managed to do a lot i a few years because she didn’t spend most oif her life on internet gossip forums.
Anyway she never seems to have said she was an establioshed artist./ From what I remember on Etsy she said she did some things in some city’s gallery scene in her early 20’s and then got fed up wioth art scene politics. I think she mentioned doing some other random exhibits sionce then.
If you all got off of this board and started doing something useful instead of making fun of people who yoiu don’t like, or telling people like Chris to get off the internet and fget a job, or just being bored housweives in general, maybe you could all accomplish things in life.
Chantelle, there are receipt scans, paypal records verified by other people, hospital admission rewcords. All on the Adia websaite. What other proof do you want? If it’s awful if she “scammed big hearted people” like you said, don’t you think it’s REALLY awful to drag NM through the mud like these people are doing if she only treied to help? Even if you don’t agree thaqt it could help in the end? That’s just being big hearted too. Big hearted and flaky is not a crime, but people like to accuse that again and again.
I posted this but due to links it has not appeared so here is is with links deleted
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Its serious, Its REALLY serious, Dingdong, anony
All four are one and the same person suffering from a serious multi-personality disorder
This person who quite possibly has other identities posting here says in the latest post
“If you all got off of this board and started doing something useful instead of making fun of people who yoiu don’t like, or telling people like Chris to get off the internet and fget a job, or just being bored housweives in general, maybe you could all accomplish things in life.”
So the person masquerading under multiple names to cover the length of time they are spending on this blog and length of posts they make tells other people to do something useful, do you suggest something useful like making up new names to post under each day whateveryournametodayis
Do you forget who you are from one day to the next
These are their four posts during the last four days in easy to follow format, someone has quite an agenda that is occupying all their time
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Its Serious Says: October 24, 2009 at 11.08 pm
I have been a bystander so far, but now that my computer has been compromised I have to get involved.
If it is so “preposterous” that Nutcases husband was in the Grinnell College Computer program and can hack, why does his 2007 Livejournal show a picture of him in his college shirt, reading a textbook? It is obviously his journal, Strayoff, linked to hers.
(link deleted)
If you do not want to go to a link, just go to the Livejournal Strayoff. It is the second entry from the top, from 2007
If this information that Nutcase said was so “absurd” is easily proved in a couple minutes on her blogs, what else is obviously true that she says is not?
The hacking problem is serious and I intend to follow it up. Hopefully everyone else who feels their computers were compromised will do this.
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Its REALLY Serious Says: October 25, 2009 at 10.00 pm
(link deleted)
or just go to the first entry.
now, before you start shouting that this is proof of my ‘ninja-photoshop skills’, please do try to consider the matter with a broader scope.
you have accused me of something morally heinous and criminal – inventing a dying child in order to defraud good people of money, and indeed befriending these people in order to deceive them. your ‘proof’ of this is a slew of de-contextualized fact and fiction on the malleable world of the internet.
all you have ‘proved’ is that i am weird. not even sex-and-drug grazed as you purport, but just that i’ve done weird whatnot on the internet in my early twenties.
there is a wide gulf between making a weird blog full of over-translated text, and intentionally scamming people of money under the premise of a starving child. just because i write a novel or a film or a blog under a pen name full of all sorts of complex and weirdfantasy, does not mean that i am dishonest in my personal affairs.
the only incontrovertible facts which have been presented here are where the money went which was collected for ADIA – and that money is clearly not stolen.
i saw a child and tried to help her in whatever way i could. i also, in my early twenties, made a dozen weird blogs and networking profiles. the two are not interconnected. i am not a thief nor a liar – your ‘proof’ of this is not indeed proof.
this is why i have said from the beginnin that this is not a rational enquiry, but a witch-hunt. a witch-hunt goes like this:
‘goody brown is a witch! she made my cow die…she looked at it, then it died!’
‘i can prove it! she dances naked in the woods and likes to sing – obviously she has a pact with satan’
‘a can prove that too – we’ve all seen her go to the woods on several occasions’
‘hey – goody brown made my crops die’
‘i know that she likes to drink in the pub too!’
‘and my cat died when she walked by!’
‘GOODY BROWN IS A WITCH!’
i have never stolen money intended for ADIA. i did not ‘invent’ the story i told of her. it has all been as i said.
you can find any amount of anything on the internet to ‘prove’ anything you want about someone’s character or life, but it is a concrete fact that i did not invent the child Adia, nor appropriate money from her cause. my husband also never attended Grinnelll college or is capable of hacking a computer.
on the other hand, i hear that there are some Nazi war criminals hiding in Nepal. we DO use a lot of strange birthdates…..
i hope i have successfully demonstrated my point. you will hear nothing further from me on this thread – this is from all angles a ‘false matter’ and i do not believe it is appropriate for me to be involved with it any longer.
there is no question of any money being stolen or scammed under the name of the child ADIA – this has not happened. real facts, not internet sleuthing, back this up. that rather drains your fracas of any potential validity…..but if you wish to continue using me a figurehead for talking slag about the psychedelic unseemliness of hippies and other ne’er-do-wells, enjoy yourselves if you can.
if you have a problem with my etsy, wish to know about Adia, or any other such – address me privately after the histrionics have died down. i will not pander to irrational accusations or questions, but am still open to discuss matters of import.
all hail green onion.
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dingdong Says: October 27, 2009 at 2.14 am
Hold up.
PussDaddy can scream “SEX CRAZED DRUG ADDICT” at someone, and use their bizarre blogs with boobie pics from five years ago as “proof” that they’re lying, scamming demons as well as generally bad people.
But no one questions the credibility of PussDaddy, who is known to be an ex-methhead with an actual and provable criminal record, and who clearly spends a LOT of time on the internet talking slander about anyone they can get their hands on?
“I, PussDaddy, kicked my meth habit and stopped committing crimes sooooo many years ago. GO ME! But that hippie chick Nutmeg wrote a blog full of nonsense five years ago, and I can see her boobs, and Nutmeg isn’t her real name! SHE’S OBVIOUSLY A TERRIBLE CRIMINAL!”
If Nutmeg wrote weird blogs, gulped down LSD, and took naughty pictures years ago, she is obviously a liar and a bad person in her personal affairs today. If PussDaddy is an acknowledged ex hard drug addict with a criminal record, she put her past behind her and went on to a shining life of internet slander, and is therefore completely trustworthy.
Cognitive dissonance, anyone?
Go check out the amateur porn I can find on Google from the search term “Puss Daddy”. Not the same Puss Daddy, but IT SAYS SO ON THE INTERNET. SAME NAME. Maybe PussDaddy DOES run a porn site!
Go check out the thread in which PussDaddy stirs up so much drama attacking one of her fellow ex-methheads that half of her comments were removed.
(link deleted)
Or just read PussDaddy’s blog in which she shows herself to be a meanspirited person who love to talk smack now that she no longer takes smack. Maybe that somehow ENTITLES her to talk smack?
Damned bastard junkie piece of shit, that Mr.Nutmeg’s husband. He did dope years ago too! The difference is that he wrote streams of consciousness and poetry around it. PussDaddy didn’t. So, he is a social miscreant and PussDaddy is not.
Poor PussDaddy. She’s being attacked now! ONLY PussDaddy can say ANYTHING they want about other people!
What about Trudy? No one can insinutate in any way that Trudy is half-lucid sometimes, batshit crazy at others, without being attacked, because she’s obviously just a sweet sweet old lady. Protective persona? Who is Trudy? Maybe she is who she says she is. The point is that nobody has even asked, and her persona is somehow sacrosanct.
All we know is that Nutmeg is definitely an EVIL LIAR HIPPIE because people said so.
They also say she stole money that is 100% accounted for.
So if they can’t prove that, then they say she’s a NASTY HIPPIE.
But PussDaddy was not a nasty methhead. She’s not calling the kettle black. She’s a bold survivor, ridding the world of evil and stirring up Etsy drama for what seems to be about 75% of her waking life.
Cognitive dissonance, or general idiocy, seems on the rise these days.
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anony Says: October 28, 2009 at 4.45 am
Maybe NM managed to do a lot i a few years because she didn’t spend most oif her life on internet gossip forums.
Anyway she never seems to have said she was an establioshed artist./ From what I remember on Etsy she said she did some things in some city’s gallery scene in her early 20’s and then got fed up wioth art scene politics. I think she mentioned doing some other random exhibits sionce then.
If you all got off of this board and started doing something useful instead of making fun of people who yoiu don’t like, or telling people like Chris to get off the internet and fget a job, or just being bored housweives in general, maybe you could all accomplish things in life.
Chantelle, there are receipt scans, paypal records verified by other people, hospital admission rewcords. All on the Adia websaite. What other proof do you want? If it’s awful if she “scammed big hearted people” like you said, don’t you think it’s REALLY awful to drag NM through the mud like these people are doing if she only treied to help? Even if you don’t agree thaqt it could help in the end? That’s just being big hearted too. Big hearted and flaky is not a crime, but people like to accuse that again and again.
The same ones rushing to defend nutball and her junkie old man are the same ones who have their noses up the asses of losers ShadeJewerly and cwebster right now. They are the last people I would call for character references on anyone as they don’t seem to be the best judgment of such so far, or much else for that matter. The ratio of sales when compared to the collective IQ’s of ETC residents will always be higher, but that isn’t saying a whole helluva lot because sales ain’t their specialty either.
If you promise to play nice, you can come over to my sandbox:
http://adiainindia.com/forum
(section accessible to guests)
what about the people like me http://www.sproutmama.etsy.com who bought from nutmeg and who have not received what we bought, who she ignores, who have not gotten “scanned ” whatever. im not trying to drag her through the mud but i do want answers., she has time to post on here and other blogs but has yet to answer my countless convos and email as well as a lot of others. what about us??? were not making this up just look at her feedback! ive given up hope of getting a refund but i still think it sucks.
im not sure why you are defending her, all some of us are asking if for her to just respond to our many emails. it isn’t hard to do.
I know you’re upset Sprout, but ADIA as a group is not responsible for Nutmeg’s shop… only she is. And obviously there is a lot she needs to fix there. Do not confuse attempting to address the concerns directed towards the group as defending Nutmeg and the state of her Etsy business. I can’t answer why she’s not responding to you, or anyone for that matter.
Now that I’ve opened up a piece of the forum (for guests even), I’m not addressing anything further on this blog.
Be well.
i think they are related, how she handles her etsy business reflects on the adia foundation. and it reflects poorly.
Thank you so, so much for putting all of that information together and posting it, BlackTear! I very much appreciate it – seeing the receipts and paypal info has definitely set my mind at ease. I can say with reasonable certainty now that the child exists and that nutmeg did pay for the Lotus hospital stay for the child.
I wish that all the information had come earlier, but better late than never, right?
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anony Says: October 28, 2009 at 4.45 am
Chantelle, there are receipt scans, paypal records verified by other people, hospital admission rewcords. All on the Adia websaite. What other proof do you want? If it’s awful if she “scammed big hearted people” like you said, don’t you think it’s REALLY awful to drag NM through the mud like these people are doing if she only treied to help? Even if you don’t agree thaqt it could help in the end? That’s just being big hearted too. Big hearted and flaky is not a crime, but people like to accuse that again and again.
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anony, are you nutmeg? If so, why don’t you just post as you? Why don’t you try and repair people’s views of you by behaving responsibly?
I’d been requesting proof of nutmeg’s statements for ages and had previously been ignored or my request was evaded. The proof has been posted now and I’m satisfied with it.
The problem was that all anyone has had to go on – all the information we had – was what nutmeg told us. All we had was her word; there was no independent corroboration of her statements and she herself refused to answer questions when discrepancies or oddities became apparent. And there were things that didn’t add up or that didn’t make sense.
People, including myself, sadly (but reasonably) began to think that perhaps nutmeg was running some kind of scam.
And so we turned to look at her behaviour. What did we find? Lots. Like her past flaky behaviour in making up personalities and leaving bits of herself all over the internet. Like her current behaviour when questioned about inconsistencies: ignoring the questioner, attacking the questioner, or evading the question. Like her current bad shop behaviour: not shipping items to buyers and not answering their convos or emails, as well as reselling. And more…
Personally, I didn’t like that her sexploits were posted, but there was a reason for that, too: she claimed to be shy and at the same time was exposing herself for the world to see. Those two things don’t seem to go together in normal people, do they? Even so, I wish the sexploits had received less coverage.
These behaviours, taken together, paint a picture of someone who is flaky, who doesn’t appear to tell the truth (or who changes it to suit them at the time), and who appears to be untrustworthy. Like it or not, this means that people aren’t going to trust that she tells the whole, complete truth.
I don’t think it was really awful to find and post this information, and I don’t think that all that was “dragging NM through the mud”. I think that the investigation was a necessary thing to do, given the inconsistencies in her statements about the child and the lack of corroborating information. If she’d answered the questions that were put to her in the first place instead of attacking, ignoring, or evading the questioner, we wouldn’t be here now.
I’ll also add that I don’t think that nutmeg has quite the same big heart that her supporters do. She appears to be concerned about the issue in front of her at any given moment, but once she goes somewhere else (and she travels often) the previous issue is essentially forgotten. Yes, it seems that she feels strong emotions when confronted with certain situations, but it seems that those emotions dissipate when the situation is no longer in front of her. She therefore appears to be flighty and unfocused with an ever-changing set of priorities.
A person with a truly big heart commits themselves to the issue in question as long as it is an issue. Nutmeg doesn’t do that.
Is there any way to divide the comments into pages? Having 1500 comments all on one page makes it very slow to load.
“The same ones rushing to defend nutball and her junkie old man are the same ones who have their noses up the asses of losers ShadeJewerly and cwebster right now. They are the last people I would call for character references on anyone as they don’t seem to be the best judgment of such so far, or much else for that matter. The ratio of sales when compared to the collective IQ’s of ETC residents will always be higher, but that isn’t saying a whole helluva lot because sales ain’t their specialty either.”
When has been sharing and showing art been a matter of the “bottom line”?
Maybe you should go back to buying from ebay, oh wait, that’s what the etsy ceo change brought to the table.
Thanks for posting the Paypal info, aunties, and opening up forum so we can view it. While it’s a great start, the puzzle for me, in just looking at it, is that it shows no accounting of specific Etsy sales or specific shop/people names (except for Brittaney-with-an-e) with the listed deposits…that would be really helpful, if one really wants to use this as an accounting tool. It was wise to set up this account Sept. 2 to ‘separate Adia donations’ from Nutmeg’s personal account; but in your shout out comments below the Paypal history, even starting on August 31 (and several following), Svartr makes mention of the “latest charity listing(s)”…the “newest charity listings”…so I guess what I’m wondering is, where is the accounting for the earlier/earliest charity listings in August–the ones that weren’t ‘separated’ from Nutmeg’s personal account? I know that is not your responsibility to post Nutmeg’s accounting–again, my questions (despite the title given this thread) are mainly directed to Nutmeg and concern her ability to account for monies dedicated to Adia.
The other puzzling thing is, its obvious from the ‘shout-outs’ of the Adia Forum members that Nutmeg is understood to be in India (Svartr is even worrying about her, in the 8-31 shout out on the second page…”Nutmeg rocks…hope she’s doing okay!”)
But…if you move your cursor over the blue # sign at the end of each person’s comments, it displays the first two sets of numbers of their IP address. And strangely, Nutmeg’s blue # number–3 comments above Svartr’s there, on 8/31–says IP.65.123…which, coincidentally is the beginning of IPs in Atlanta, Georgia. For example, here’s an IP support center in Atlanta (which comes up if you google IP.65.123):
Atlanta Virtual Support :: Support Center :: SSH Secure Shell
IP –> 65.123.43.23. Class A –> 65.*.*.* Class B –> 65.123.*.*. Class A addresses will not be allowed due to the number of IPs that can be connected from. …
http://www.atlantavirtual.com/support/sup-doc/ssh.shtml – Cached – Similar
Seems to me these IP addresses are assigned by geolocation, so that an IP address of a person using the internet in India would have quite a different number sequence at the start from someone using the internet in, say, Atlanta.
Unless said connection was done through proxy.
edcbyer Says:
The other puzzling thing is, its obvious from the ’shout-outs’ of the Adia Forum members that Nutmeg is understood to be in India (Svartr is even worrying about her, in the 8-31 shout out on the second page…”Nutmeg rocks…hope she’s doing okay!”)
But…if you move your cursor over the blue # sign at the end of each person’s comments, it displays the first two sets of numbers of their IP address. And strangely, Nutmeg’s blue # number–3 comments above Svartr’s there, on 8/31–says IP.65.123…which, coincidentally is the beginning of IPs in Atlanta, Georgia. For example, here’s an IP support center in Atlanta (which comes up if you google IP.65.123):
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EdC, I had posted this on October 19th……..
“One of Nutmeg’s old threads from June that was bumped up today, she mentions that she will be visiting family in the States later this summer and wanted to do some craft fairs while here. What happened to that trip? (Interesting enough, she wanted advice on how to prevent thefts from her booth.)”
I would say August 31 was later this summer.
You are completely right, EdC… but also very, very wrong. You are assuming the IP snippet from the shoutbox is the first 2 numbers in the IP address. Go sign up for a ShoutMix shoutbox and see the difference between what a user sees and what the admin sees. That should satisfy your investigative nature a little bit.
How come it’s easier to believe these individuals can intentionally place malware/virus’ on your PC than the possibility they’re using a proxy service, much like those used by most high school students and people in restrictive nations when trying to bypass these institutional restrictions?
I have lived all over the world and I have never gotten a bill from another country in English!
Are we really expected to believe you got a bill from an Indian hospital in ENGLISH?
areyounuts Says:
I have lived all over the world and I have never gotten a bill from another country in English!
Are we really expected to believe you got a bill from an Indian hospital in ENGLISH?
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Was it a bill? What I saw had OUTPATIENT.
I get that you “supporters” don’t want to look like idiots, don’t want to admit you’ve been taken, are full of ego and trying to protect your fragile sense of self, therefore, I don’t, for one minute, believe anything any of you “supporters” say about this.
I don’t believe your “proof” I don’t believe what you say at all about this.
You all need to take a step back. You are being used further and you are letting your egos get in the way of self-awareness.
Get therapists. Seriously, if you feel this much need to protect your egos and continue to try to justify any of this scam then you really need help. Not kidding.
This type of obsession is not healthy. This amount of CYA is not healthy. Admit you made a mistake. Admit you supported the wrong person. Admit you were too naive.
The fact is, you got taken and scammed and you trusted the wrong person/people. Admit it, grieve it and move on. Then warn others.
Worse, you “supporters” have lost ALL credibility yourselves and the more you try to defend this shit and offer bogus “proof” the more you lose.
There are probably 100,000 Aida in India. It’s a poor country. if you want to help children in India, fine. Then find an official organization to donate to.
There are way too many people right here that need help to continue this charade.
Wake up.
I want to do meth and come out a better person, a person that can judge others because I was an addict.
Black Tear, you’re right; I assumed it was the first half of the IP as the two sets of #s were immediately after the letters IP. I’m not really interested in signing up for a shout out box; I’ll take your word for it that those are not the first two sets of numbers. In any case, it’d be hard to pin a location down from one number, definitively. It might be interesting for the WordPress operators to compare IP addresses for some of the posts in here, though.
Kitten: There is no way that Nutmeg was in the states on Aug. 31, 2009 visiting family or doing an art show, at least according to her Adia in India blog post on Aug. 31–it has several entries every few hours (or even minutes) that day, as well as street scene pictures of Adia illustrating her text–here are copy/paste snippets from http://thestoryofadia.blogspot.com/2009_08_01_archive.html
1:37 PM–
Today I peresuaded Adia’s grandmother to allow me to return her to the hospital. letting me take her to the hospital again. The grandmother is a strange character…
The hospital visit did not go as well i planned, but did provide some hope; finally I was able to speak to a doctor for a frank assesment…
We finally wrangled her consent to re-admit Adia to the doctmr’s care… (I am haunted by the rows of dingy metal beds, dimly lit, the atmosphere of abject desair which I saw today)…
The doctor, after examining Adia, told me that her blood was too depleted to treat her through IV …
Adia’s family has now decided to return to their home-place some kilometers away from Hyderabad to wait out the five days, as they are rural people, coming to the city every few weeks to beg and living in a makeshift shanty or on the streets. They have promised to meet me at an appointed place and time on the fifth day.
I am very, very uncomfortable with not seeing any of them for that duration – but perhaps they have more resources there to draw from, and at the very least Adia will not be lying on the ground being used as begging bait. I have supplied them with enough money to not feel any need during the next five days, and promised them another very large sum to ensure they would bring her as arranged.
I tried to spend as much time with little Adia as I could today, taking the older children out to lunch and insisting on sitting by until Adia was fed the milk I brought. …
1:49 PM– [part of the 'media letter']
… “In our constant attempts to rally support from local state and charity organisations we have consistently met with either indifference or incapacity. We feel that by bringing Adia’s story to the international media it will command the attention of those who can help, and appeal to those who can open avenues for her continued recovery.
We also seek to raise awareness for the plight of other abused or neglected female children in India. Thousands of other infants and young girls are suffering as Adia is, unnoticed and unregarded.
We implore you to givIthis issue your urgent attention, to save not only the life of this one small soul, but to make new strides in improving the lot of imperiled female children worldwide.”
Feel free to add to or alter the letter in any way as you see fit, and to link to this blog and other web presences which concerned friends have compiled. Please include our contact information as follows:
Echo June Vincent and Nicholas Avirett
dustcastles@gmail.com
9550414507 (you will probably need to enter the coutry code 91 first)
…this is our mobile number at which we can be contacted anytime, day or night.
[an overseas number]
If Lotus Children’s Hospital can have their website in English, why can’t they have their hospital records in English as well?? http://lotuschildrenshospital.com
Oh, unless of course *I* threw this website together, flash intro and all, in a matter of days (or hours?)
Come on! They even have Spider-man on their walls! Take the virtual tour, I’m serious. You’ll be amazed at how well you’ll be able to read their ‘Indian’ signage.
They would not chart an Indian child in English.
Period.
Just think about it for a minute….. Even if everyone there is taught English as a second language from birth, they would still have their records in their own language.
Common sense people!
Tell me then, why can I not see ANY native Indian script (of any one of the several languages found in India) in their virtual tour? Why, then, are their ambulances in English?? Why is it soo mind blowing that Nutmeg could have gotten documents in English, from a high class private hospital?
And being a private hospital… they probably chart in whatever language of whoever is paying the bill.
Common sense on the return stroke!
Sure she had an Indian beggar child she posed with for a few photos and told a story about
I suspect that when the questioning thread began she was frightened as drdjc said she was
Not frightened because she was so shy and didn’t like the idea of being observed by an unknown doctor at the hospital
Frightened because her carefully laid fund raising scheme was coming unraveled, so she persuaded the family to take the child to the hospital for a short time, probably gave them money plus a few days of being taken care of
This provided in hospital photos, proof via drdjc speaking to the doctor and a receipt
Then she went off to Nepal saying she was going for two weeks and nothing tangible has been heard of the child since but fund raising would have continued not only for the child but for buying fabric for the Nepalese and any other causes she reported
This fund raising was only starting it could have grown into a very large financial undertaking and all going to Nutmeg to spend
Proof of her Asian activities would have been virtually impossible to obtain as all information would have come from her
So easy and it would have worked if evidence of her general dishonesty hadn’t come to light via her sales on Etsy and the trail of customers who haven’t received answers , goods or refunds from her and the many lies, stories and good causes found around the internet sites people have discovered
To reiterate
On August 20 Nutmeg wrote “sometime this afternoon the mother and aunt were collecting alms in their usual spot whn the baby’s eyes rolled back in her head and her limbs went limp, then rigid. the women began to scream and someone called an ambulance, which took Adia to the St.George charity hospital. she is still there this evening – they are rehydrating her intraveniously and her condition is now stable; she is responsive and conscious.
the problem we now face is that the hopital will not treat her for more than 48 hours without advance payment or a guarantor of pay. her fulltreatment of perhaps a month of hospitalization will cost over half a lakh rupees, a very substantial sum. tomorrow we will visit Adia in the hospital and register ourselves as guarantors of the bill, paying about half up-front.”
Half a lakh rupees is approximately $10,500 or $350 per day.
Then on August 26 Nutmeg wrote
“a bit of good news – Adia’s first month of hospital care has been paid for! Mr.Nutmeg and i have been doing our best to match donations where we can, and with the help of our wonderful etsy friends we’ve raised enough to ensure her care for the entire month. now we’ll keep praying for a wonderful recovery to match the outpouring of generosity!”
So it would appear that Nutmeg is saying that they have raised at least $5,250 from donations and have matched that figure with their own money.
But … the child was only kept in hospital for a few days so that would have amounted to a maximum of $1,050 but the hospital said when she was admitted that they would only treat her for two days without advance payment so chances are there was no money paid over to St George Charity hospital or a minimal amount.
Then she said “We plan to re-admit Adia to the hospital on the 4th, and this time it shall be a private one, amounting to approximately 1000 rs daily for a monthly total of 30,000 rs.”
So the charity hospital costs $350 per day and the private one costs $21.
30,000 rupees a month is very different from the 500,000 rupees supposedly accounted for with donations and Nutmeg’s matched contributions.
Then on September 7
Adia’s family took her out of the hospital, again, yesterday morning.
I cannot describe how devastated I was when I arrived all jolly and armed with my little gifts, and then getting impatient as the kind orderlies ran all over the hospital compound trying to find her, then nervous as she was no-where to be found – I nearly apart when someone finally found in a log-book that she had been discharged around 5 am. She was discharged against medical advice (they had to make their mark on a paper to that effect), and though the nurses and orderlies all were very sympathetic to my position, there was nothing more they could tell me, and nothing more they could do.
They also scooped up the 3,000 rupees i had left for the next day of her care. In the future I will be paying only by the day, which will be a bit of hassle but obviously well worth it.
So the daily cost of THAT hospital was $63 per day.
And that is just hospital costs.
Not only that
”
If I can get the consent of the family to place the older children in school they will require school supplies, uniforms, and shoes/underclothes. I estimate this cost to be around 2,000 rs for each child, a total of 4,000.
There will be some fees associated with the founding of the charitable trust, amounting approximately 5,000 rs.
I would like to invest a small amount of money in supplies for the women of the family to begin producing embroidery to sell, a traditional handicraft which the grandmother is quite talented in. A good start-up amount for the endeavour would be 4,000 rs.
Based upon last month’s expenditures, the cost of feeding the children each day totals about 200 rs, for a monthly total of 6,000 rs.
Sometimes it is necessary to present gifts of money to the parents, in order to persuade them to continue bringing Adia to meet me, or to secure their consent for the children’s needs. I wish to keep this to a minimum with a reserve fund of 5,000 rs, and a contingency fund of 2,000 rs will cover unexpected sundries.
This brings the monthly average needs to approximately 50,000 rs, or 1,020 USD.
It seems like quite a sum, but less so when one considers that it will benefit a family of 9 members (or more – I have yet to ascertain the exact number of relatives with whom Adia lives). The exact sum needed may end up as more or less, so I propose that any remainder at the end of the month be placed aside for unexpected needs of the children in months to come. ”
These are only a few of the posts mentioning money needed but this is why I cannot accept what she says as being true.
Even in these few postings there are far too many discrepancies.
There was also an indignant posting from Nutmeg when asked about a receipt from the hospital saying that she didn’t have one.
I can’t say for certain that this is totally genuine or a complete scam but there is no continuity whatsoever in the majority of postings about the financial side of this and that was only postings over a very few days.
That is why there is so much being written about it.
The reselling is quite another matter but because of the discrepancies above it is all being lumped together to attempt to show that there is a definite problem in all this.
Everything could have been genuine and above board but to throw money to someone who appears to have no concept about financial issues seems crazy at best.
Not Really Surprised, If you read above you will see that the first time Adia was taken to hospital Nutmeg was nowhere near. The child had a fit or something and was taken by ambulance. So even if Nutmeg had never ever seen the child she would still have been taken to hospital that first time.
The fact that everything is in English is not surprising
India extensively uses English despite Nutmeg’s frequent claims that it was difficult to find anyone who understood English
Those are a lot of figures and are confusing to try to understand Lexie
It appears that money was being handed out frequently to several hospitals and to the family for daily living costs, I also remember some money she claimed to have given them for medicine that turned out to be for the Father, I don’t see that in your list
“Adia’s family took her out of the hospital, again, yesterday morning.
I cannot describe how devastated I was when I arrived all jolly and armed with my little gifts, and then getting impatient as the kind orderlies ran all over the hospital compound trying to find her, then nervous as she was no-where to be found – I nearly apart when someone finally found in a log-book that she had been discharged around 5 am. She was discharged against medical advice (they had to make their mark on a paper to that effect), and though the nurses and orderlies all were very sympathetic to my position, there was nothing more they could tell me, and nothing more they could do.
They also scooped up the 3,000 rupees i had left for the next day of her care. In the future I will be paying only by the day, which will be a bit of hassle but obviously well worth it.”
The family had that 3,000 rupees.
This was the hospital where Trudy’s friend was going to observe when she took the child back the following week
The one that didn’t know her and had no record of the child so Nutmeg took the child to the Lotus instead
BlackTear, do your best to take a break. You’ve got to be exhausted! I think it’s wonderful that you’ve been so patient with all of this, but I do worry about you a bit. Don’t forget to breathe.
BlackTear, it’s done. You will never convince anyone of anything.
If you believe it, fine, but the whole situation reeks and nothing is going to change that. Nutmeg has two more neutrals today for non-delivery. She’s a fraud and a flake.
The whole situation is tainted and that will never change.
Please, everyone who wants to help, give to your local food banks or shelters right here in the US. Give to official organizations. Don’t give money to some random person on the internet because they have a good story.
I don’t know if this has been brought up or not because it’s getting hard to read this thread, but the Lotus Chart looks bogus. Why? Because why would a private, upscale hospital have a gmail address? That’s a big red flag.
Hmmm… – The gmail address is listed on their website. Go to the bottom, click on “contact us”.
areyounuts, I believe that a private children’s hospital in India would have charts and signage in English.
It makes sense to me that the people who could afford to take their child there – and it looks expensive – would speak English. I think English is a growing language in India because of trade and job connections, and I also think there’s prestige associated with knowing how to speak English. I’m willing to accept the Lexus hospital stuff as genuine.
It looks like the child was taken into the outpatient clinic (hence the outpatient record) and then admitted to hospital because of malnutrition. After that the child was taken out of hospital.
All of that doesn’t explain the discrepancies in nutmeg’s other statements, as you pointed out, lexie. Clearly, nutmeg has no financial knowledge or expertise – it seems that she just doesn’t “get” numbers, if that makes sense. Her past and present behaviours as well as everything lexie mentioned, make that clear.
Nutmeg’s lack of financial acumen (and her inability to tell the truth) means that she should be the last person picked to give out or assign money. She should be the idea person only, and her ideas should be thoroughly investigated before giving any money towards them.
Speaking of money, the paypal stuff shows that the money deposited to that ADIA account stayed there, and that’s why I’m willing to concede that nutmeg didn’t keep that money for herself.
It’s not clear what happened to the money she received in her personal account, before the ADIA one was set up. Did it go to the family? Did she keep it? I don’t know. There’s so much discrepancy there that it wouldn’t take much to convince me that nutmeg kept that money for herself.
It doesn’t take much to convince you people of anything “questionable” regarding Nutmeg (ie: hacking, etc).
Hmmm.. – Grow a pair, open up Outlook (or whatever you use) and e-mail them. Stop speculating. You guys are jumping to conclusions on first sight of things. Another example would be EdC and the IP snippets. Look into things before freaking out and calling ‘FOUL!’.
Oh, and ‘NMSupportersRNuts’ … you have ZERO impact on when this is done, and I’m past the point where your cyber-bullying is going to affect me.
Chantelle is right… there is about three weeks where monies are not fully accounted for or can be backed up (still working on it though – there are still some receipts not scanned yet). This was also the most chaotic time of this whole thing. Things, unfortunately, just didn’t get recorded as perhaps they should have. This was one reason why the Board was brought together – to bring some organisation to a very unorganised situation and to offer some accountability to the monies being received.
*** HUGS Blah ***
I agree with BlackTear that there is enough wrong in the entire Nutmeg situation without trying to find faults and conspiracies where none exist
Some of it is likely to be true or have some sort of basis of truth, I don’t see how anyone can believe that every detail is fictional
To take that route you will need to start to believe that Nutmeg doesn’t exist and this whole crazy business is group hysteria and delusion
Black Tear, I understand this has been incredibly stressful for you, and I believe your heart is in the right place. I want to assure you that I was not “freaking out” about the IP snippets, not even jumping to conclusions…IPs are extremely complex to make head or tail out of, and it was actually an honest question on my part wondering about the snippets I saw. I’ve been online enough years (even in an administrative capacity) to know that IP addresses can be useful in keeping track of ‘trolls’ and sometimes for tracking certain info concerning someone’s online usage.
You should know, too, that there are many, many things happening on my end–things that are being documented as they occur, daily–that I have chosen not to bring up in this thread, so as not to detract from the intent of my original post; these occurrences are being reported to the IC3.gov and others involved; they are the only ones who need to know about them right now. And if anyone on this thread wants to criticize me for exaggerating or accuse me of hyping conspiracy theories because I’m a bored housewife…that’s their prerrogative, as I will not be goaded into saying more than is wise right now.
There are also other issues related to this whole mess that I’ve chosen not to bring into this thread because they involve other people, some even of moderately high profile–and I’m respecting their confidentiality. All of these issues have been and continue to be relayed to the people who can and are addressing them, and no amount of criticism or trollish comment in here will cause me to say more than I know to be necessary at this time.
“cyber-bullying”
Ha!
Telling the truth and explaining why you are so off in the weeds that you don’t even see it and why you have lost all credibility – all of you who continue to justify this insanity – isn’t “bullying.”
Wake up.
You are still being used. You are still being scammed. The more you deny the reality the more ridiculous you look and the more Nutmeg and friends laugh at you.
They are laughing, by the way. Their game worked and continues to work.
*Snore*
I wait for the day when all this can be proven by an unbiased third party not out to play sleuth or judge and jury on the internet.
Until then. Speculation. Google searches. Good times.
Did you smoke it or just snort it?
Wouldn’t it be the loveliest thing if the money raised by the Adia foundations could, say, repay all the people Nuttymeg has ripped off with her terrible little Etsy shoppe?
Or if all the lovely people rallying around a scam artist focused their beautifully kind efforts on helping out all the people who have bought from her and never received their goodies.
I think that would be a very lovely thing indeed.
what about the listings she had as charity for adia they were never received? where did that money go? what about the people who arent getting refunds or their purchases?
Sprout , still questions, has a valid point, there are two aspects here
One is the fund raising, there are still listings for Adia being made on Etsy, shouldn’t those sellers be notified not to keep making Adia charity listings
The other is the growing list of customers who have had nothing and no replies to their emails and convos
“Wouldn’t it be the loveliest thing if the money raised by the Adia foundations could, say, repay all the people Nuttymeg has ripped off with her terrible little Etsy shoppe?
Or if all the lovely people rallying around a scam artist focused their beautifully kind efforts on helping out all the people who have bought from her and never received their goodies.
I think that would be a very lovely thing indeed.”
Explain how the Adia foundation (and the funds accounted for) are responsible for a single member of that foundations private ventures?
Wouldn’t it be nice if the people on Wall Street repaid all the money they stole to all the people they stole it from?
The Adia group isn’t the government. People expect bailouts for everything now huh?
Not Really – a round of convos had gone out to all the sellers of charity listings asking them to be taken down. There are maybe just a few sellers with about 15 items still left. It’s already been decided that if anything does get forwarded to the ADIA PayPal as a donation, it will be immediately refunded with a note. I will be sending out another notice to the few remaining sellers sometime later today now that my work week is over.
As stated before… Nutmeg’s Etsy shop is her own responsibility – I’m not sure how people who’ve donated will feel about the money they’ve sent for Adia being used to refund Nutmeg’s personal customers. Also, as far as I can see, only Stacey has a claim of no delivery for a Charity Item. I would certainly consider a refund for her as that money WOULD have gone into the ADIA PayPal account.
That’s probably not what you want to hear, but… if it were my shop in trouble, I wouldn’t expect to be bailed out with donation money that wasn’t intended for me. I just don’t feel right making that decision.
Then what are you going to do with the donation money?
Is it just going to sit in a paypal account?
Will it be refunded?
Will you find another charity?
How many people have access to the paypal account?
Is nutmeg one of the people that can access the paypal account?
All of this inaction is just making perceptions worse.
I dunno how a persons (YOU) “perception” of things could get any worse with the act of providing the documentation you so eagerly wanted.
Did you donate?
Are you jealous your blog doesn’t get the kinda of traffic this single thread has gotten?
Are you ever going to stop being the kind of rehab person that judges others as if you’re now better than others for going through some “magical” transformation?
Did you smoke it or snort it?
Lane Says:
October 29, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Wouldn’t it be the loveliest thing if the money raised by the Adia foundations could, say, repay all the people Nuttymeg has ripped off with her terrible little Etsy shoppe?
Or if all the lovely people rallying around a scam artist focused their beautifully kind efforts on helping out all the people who have bought from her and never received their goodies.
I think that would be a very lovely thing indeed.
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If the Adia foundation monies are comprised of donations from people thinking that their monies are going toward a child named Adia, I don’t think they’d be happy to find out that they actually went to bailing out Nutmeg’s shop.
It’s comments like yours that make me realize how people like Nutmeg can scam you so easily.
What I think would be lovely would be for nutmeg to pay for her own mistakes and take responsibility for them.
I didn’t realize nutty wasn’t in charge of the Adia fund. From what I thought, she was collecting all this money and having a merry old time with it. Sorry ’bout that mistake o’ mine. You’re doing marvelous things with beautiful intentions.
I still think it’d be nice if all the efforts to toss money towards this mysterious cause went towards real people who have been taken advantage of instead of a child whose existence is quite questionable. But if you don’t care about actual persons who have been hurt by the lying (i’ve typed “bitch” and deleted it a few times now) lady who has scammed so many, then maybe I’ll just do what little I can for them. It’s amazing how quickly everyone jumped to help in a big dramatic situation, but how little care there is for the everyday opportunities for niceness.
I will be very shocked if Nuttymeg ever returns to her shop of mass produced Indian crap she calls handmade.
BlackTear, I do have a claim pending with Paypal. Nutmeg has until Nov. 2nd to respond, otherwise they will “restore money to the rightful parties” or however they put it. I would certainly like to wait until then, to see if there is actually any money to get back from her. If I do, then you can refund the money to Nutmeg, if she did indeed give that money over to the ADIA account.
If she never did put that money into the ADIA account, well, then I don’t know how I feel about possibly receiving a refund from you all. I appreciate the suggestion (and realize that it is not solely up to you, just speaking of it a possibility). But I don’t know how I feel about money that people donated out of the goodness of their hearts, being used to make up from Nutmeg’s shortcomings as a seller.
It’s all speculation at this point. I will just have to wait either for Nutmeg to respond to my claim, or until Nov 2nd rolls around.
Sorry, that should be “FOR Nutmeg’s shortcomings….”
Also, I am not the only one. On Oct. 16th someone else left a negative for another set of nesting dolls that are labeled as a charity item. So if ADIA does ever consider refunds for charity items, this person should be noted.
At the very least, using that foundation money for anything other than it’s intended purpose would be considered “misappropriation of funds”. There are legalities involved when collecting monies for charities, recognized or not. No matter how well intentioned, using money collected for one purpose, for another purpose, is illegal.
I love Windy.
She talks more sense than everyone in etc. combined, what a loss she is to the Etsy forum.
“What I think would be lovely would be for nutmeg to pay for her own mistakes and take responsibility for them.”
HUZZAH !!!
I agree totally with what Windy says.
Am I right in thinking that drdjc paid a hospital bill out of her own pocket? If she did then there would be justification in reimbursing her for that out of the Adia Fund.
I agree with Filbert too. Nutmeg is the only one responsible for her shop. She has to deal with the non-delivery of items sold and people asking for their money back. This is a totally separate issue from the Adia Fund which only Nutmeg can address.
eyemohini Says:
I dunno how a persons (YOU) “perception” of things could get any worse with the act of providing the documentation you so eagerly wanted.
Did you donate?
Are you jealous your blog doesn’t get the kinda of traffic this single thread has gotten?
Are you ever going to stop being the kind of rehab person that judges others as if you’re now better than others for going through some “magical” transformation?
Did you smoke it or snort it?
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Although this troll originally annoyed me, now I’m just kind of amazed that they seem to be talking to themselves. Whatever they are ranting about, it’s incoherent babble and doesn’t even fit in the flowing back and forth conversation.
I wonder are their posts regarding something they read several days ago and now a reply comes to them? Are they replying to voices in their head?
I guess I should be ashamed at getting amusement by watching a troll having some sort of mental meltdown.
kitten just ignore it
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Post number 706 by drdjc
“I will tell you i have donated hundreds of dollars, yep naive and trusting. All of it went to nutmeg’s paypal account. The treasurer hasn’t been heard from for weeks and weeks. I have been away on holidays but i think i read that she had a lot on her plate at present.
I assume nutmeg has access for to the money from paypal as the second amount i sent was to help cover the cost of Adia’s stay in Lotus but it didn’t go through until Nutmeg got to Nepal and she was going to use it to be reimbursed for her personal outgoings. I am telling you this as I want it all to be as transparent as possible.“
Lexie I think you have a valid point and a good suggestion to solve the problem
If drdjc is reimbursed from the Adia fund then the donations will have gone to help the child and if drdjc doesn’t wish to receive it for herself I feel certain she is a very suitable person to decide where the money could be re-donated to do good through a genuine charity
“Although this troll originally annoyed me, now I’m just kind of amazed that they seem to be talking to themselves. Whatever they are ranting about, it’s incoherent babble and doesn’t even fit in the flowing back and forth conversation.
I wonder are their posts regarding something they read several days ago and now a reply comes to them? Are they replying to voices in their head?
I guess I should be ashamed at getting amusement by watching a troll having some sort of mental meltdown.”
*Snore*
I love the “I’ve been ignoring him and thats why I’m posting about him” take on things there “Kitten”. I know you’ve been adding alot of valuable opinion and commentary.
I love Windy.
She talks more sense than everyone in etc. combined, what a loss she is to the Etsy forum.
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Why is she no longer on the forums?
And I agree completely; funds for Adia and Nutmeg’s shop are separate issues.
I definitely agree with those who want to keep the ADIA funds and nutmeg’s shop separate. nutmeg is solely responsible for her own shop. If she didn’t ship items to customers, the people who donated to the ADIA fund shouldn’t fit the bill.
The money should be refunded to nutmeg’s purchasers if and only if nutmeg donated the money from those sales. If she didn’t give up the money then the group shouldn’t be responsible for refunding her money. Let’s not reward her for her irresponsible behaviour, ‘k?
I have a suggestion for the money in the ADIA fund. Is it possible to contact all of the people who’ve contributed to the funds either through direct donations or shop purchases? If so (and I hope that this is possible), then maybe the ADIA foundation could pick a charity that helps children in India like the child, and prepare to donate the money there.
They could send out a message to all those who donated to the fund advising them that the monies are going somewhere else and that they have a certain period of time to ask that their monies be refunded to them. When that time period is up, send all that money over to that charity.
I’m not saying that this is the best or only way to go, but I thought I’d throw this idea out there.
When did the people that didn’t get involved (either by donation or participation) get a say in how ANY funds are distributed?
Chantelle – that option is definitely one that’s been in discussion.
And eyemohini, that’s actually a good point.
For the record I donated.
Wouldn’t it be in your best interest to contact BlackTear directly regarding this?
A 1400+ comment thread is a more effective venue?
Can we please get another page here? Or another posting, something where I don’t have to wait for all 1400 some odd replies to load.
they’re just yr normal flaky ass rainbow hippie kids
i happen to know a few of miss echo/nutmeg/ actually her real name IS Britney… ‘s ex boyfriends and pretty much they’ve all summed up that she is an overly charming psuedo/intellectuall cobra lady who gets poor guys to pay her way and also has a penchant to get knocked up a lot and then leave the kids with the guy to take care of and never asks about her child just writes her ex to talk about all the ‘wonderful things’ she is doing overseas.
i pretty much think/believe that she is just a flaky person more than likely not a scam although i did hear once that when she was living in south florida and doing some art gallery work she signed the back of unsigned artist’s work so actually, i wouldn’t put it past her….
pretty much, anyone can make themselves out to be an intellectual/artist/overly creative person
if you ask me, she doesn’t seem all that creative, i’ve seen about a bazillion other rainbow hippy dippy shitheads who write/dress/make art/pretty much have the same aesthetics as she does, so, she’s nothing special… it’s very easy to con people into thinking you are a ‘genius’ with flowery words and ‘quirky and eccentric’ dress…pretty much it is the fault of the general amount of people who look up to idiot hippies like this who go to places like india to help and then cry about the injustices of america instead of sticking here to maybe work on fixing this country, but i guess it’s just so ‘interesting’ to be a ‘world traveler’ if you ask me, they are not world travelers, they’re just fucking idiots and that’s about it.
yr dealing with a girl who is 26 years old and still hasn’t learned that she isn’t the center of teh universe… i give it a year or two (maybe 4) before she leaves mr. nutmeg with their child and gets some other poor sap who doesn’t have fully grown balls yet to fall under her witchery…i’m guessing russia or somewhere in that area…
essentially here’s the rule/moral of this whole story:
STOP THINKING STUPID ASS HIPPY DIPPY IDIOT AMERICANS/WESTERNERS WHO GO TO INDIA AND WRITE HIPPY DIPPY ASS SHIT AND ARE TOO AFRAID OF THEMSELVES TO EVEN USE THEIR REAL NAMES AND MAKE UP ONES LIKE ‘ECHO’ OR ‘MOONBEAM HORSESHIT’ ARE AMAZING AND BEAUTIFUL INDIVIDUALS! THEY’RE JUST THE SAME OLD SHIT. IT’S ALL THE SAME. COME ON PEOPLE JUST TRY AT LEAST TRY TO BE A LITTLE MORE ORIGINAL AND INTO ORIGINAL THINGS.
thank you.
Country kitsch is where all the art is.
Just got an e-mail from Paypal:
“After careful review, we have concluded our investigation of the Buyer Complaint described below. We have decided in your favor, however, we were unable to recover any funds from the seller’s account.”
So, don’t bother trying to get a refund from Nutmeg. There’s no money to get.
popindia and nutmegclick aren’t on etsy anymore
It’s pulpindia, and it’s still there. So is nutmegclicks. nutmegclick is indeed gone, though.
Thanks Stacy! Can’t for the life of me figure out how I came up with popindia.
great, now ill never get answers or a refund. ive emailed her a dozen times since i left neg and still no word.
She’s still on Artfire but gone from Coriandr.
to nutmeg ,
i am sure you read this as you thrive off attention…you should be ashamed of yourself. grow up.
DoClosedShopsGoToHeaven – popindia is their website/business/whatever. http://www.popindia.net. Don’t feel bad, there’s so many identities to keep up with.
think the best thing to do is warn people about her and then never ever utter another word or internet statement about her again. ms. echo has a very long track of bothering people with her very existence… best thing to do is pretend that she does not exist. im going to start doing that now, and never look at this forum again…although i have to remark that it gives me glee to read the hilarious comments you all have about her..
ahh yes it seems many of you have sadly fallen under the spell of the psuedo-intellectual charmingly verbose/witty hippy rainbow girl who will sleep with anyone she meets and uses her vagina to travel all over the world.
“to nutmeg ,
i am sure you read this as you thrive off attention…you should be ashamed of yourself. grow up.”
pretty much you hit the nail on the head. really guys, the best course of action here is that now her shop has been closed just make a mass effort of putting up warnings about her crazy scamming ass and then close all forums and ignore all words she has to say. don’t reply to her snide comments, trust me, it will make her shrivel when she starts to realize that she has no power over anyone and is just a small person in a big world and not really all that ‘special’ pretty much just an ‘easy’ hippie.
Sounds like somebody didn’t get laid by nutmeg at one time.
Really? You couldn’t get laid by a hippie? You must really suck.
Hi everyone, I just wanted to quickly post here that I too have been waiting for a package from Nutmeg. I purchased charity items on the 9th of September. I had begun to despair of it’s arrival.
Today my package arrived. I’m posting just to give hope to the other people who are waiting.
Strangely the only date I can find on the package is 24/10/09 from India Post. Don’t quite know what to make of that. Could be the label put on it prior to flight???????
I too received a package yesterday. It was also post marked 24/10/09, also from India Post. It was indeed a set of dolls, but it was NOT the set of nesting dolls in the picture I ordered. These are brand new, painted differently.
Don’t know what to make of it either drdjc. The return address is “E. Vincent” in “Sec-bad”. I thought she was in Nepal?
About the items…. I thinking that she left all of her shop items in India when she went to Nepal (or wherever she went). So either her “friend-who-shall-not-be-named” mailed them out, or she actually returned to India. At least her main shop is closed; she’s too flighty and irresponsible to maintain one.
Like others say, she needs to grow up. A lot.
justanothertwocents Says:
i happen to know a few of miss echo/nutmeg/ actually her real name IS Britney… ’s ex boyfriends and pretty much they’ve all summed up that she is an overly charming psuedo/intellectuall cobra lady who gets poor guys to pay her way and also has a penchant to get knocked up a lot and then leave the kids with the guy to take care of and never asks about her child just writes her ex to talk about all the ‘wonderful things’ she is doing overseas.
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Do you have proof that that she had kid(s)? And is her name spellled Britney or Brittaney or Brittney?
How is the applicable to your issues with her online transactions? I swear, it’s like you people need to live vicariously through her.
Yeah, I know. And I don’t care, not really. I’ve had enough of a life of my own that I don’t need to live vicariously through anyone else.
But following her exploits gives me a break from following the sad, crazy stuff going on in my own family. Pretty pathetic of me, huh?
I prefer living vicariously through the stupidest people on the internet, like eyehominid, you know, just to see what it is like.
Chantelle no more pathetic than eyemohini who appears to live in here
This is my first visit for a few days to catch up and as I expected there it is posting every time anybody posts
Probably got fingers on keyboard composing reply to this right now
Looks like Nutmeg tries to make things true after she has claimed them
Coriandr shop is now gone, days after she said it was
Parcels are arriving, postmarked long after she claimed they were posted and not necessarily quite what was purchased but maybe as near as she could obtain to send
The small Indian child booked into a hospital with plenty of proof soon after the questioning started
Appears to live here? I love how you assume since I’m posting on *ONE* blog that *YOU* frequent, I’m somehow “living here”. Are you attempting to illicit a response based off yet another assumption from the peanut gallery? Please, follow me to my other destinations.
Lets scroll back up and address the comment “plenty of proof soon after the questioning started”.
You morons ask for proof, BlackTear (NOT NUTMEG) provides you with what you consider “plenty of proof” that the Aida crew didn’t steal anything, and it’s still not good enough.
Get your priorities in line. Go after one or the other.
It’s like you people want Paul Watson’s head (Sea Sheppard/Whale Wars) but continue to go after Greenpeace instead.
Re tard ed.
Not Really Surprised Says:
Chantelle no more pathetic than eyemohini who appears to live in here
This is my first visit for a few days to catch up and as I expected there it is posting every time anybody posts
Probably got fingers on keyboard composing reply to this right now
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LOL, you were right Not Really Suprised! Seems to live here, but I’m sure they spread their love many places… that’s what trolls do.
Apparently quick to assume of others, but has quite the temper if anyone assumes of them. I’m quite amused by it.
I’m quick to assume of others?
Exactly what am I assuming here?
Am I assuming my Google searches will produce “evidence” that will stand up in any court?
Am I assuming that the personal choices people make are somehow important to me?
Am I assuming that somebody will be vilified based of my personal vendenta?
Am I assuming you like country kitsch?
Since I purchased from Nut (before festival season and the Adia fiasco began, I got my items-although one was not really as described) I can still click on the item I bought and see her current feedback, which is now at 91%, she must have gotten a couple more negatives before she got closed. Just sayin’.
I do wonder about Adia, where she is, how she is, Nutty never answered my questions here.
eyemohini Says: Please, follow me to my other destinations.
No thanks, I see much too much of you here
I read too many pointless and useless words of yours without needing to go elsewhere to find more
Kitten despite knowing it would be the next post I still had to come and check to make sure I was correct
Of course I was
Cause yea, you’re always 100% correct. This thread of assumptions proves it!
You’ve been validated!
Still pining for that gold star? Good for you.
Mary Says:
October 16, 2009 at 7:21 pm
I would love to hear goatmountainarts opinion about this whole mess. Especially after this:
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6270484&page=120
How come nobody just asked me? I just stumbled on this doing ‘who os sending me hate mail research’ lol. If anyone is still interested I’d say pretty much the same thing.
I have NO issue with confroting someone (news, right?) direclty. But regardless of how honest ot not someone is, back biting just creeps me the hell out.
Esp if it’s wrong, eps. in a public place. is it wrong in this case, I have no idea really, I wasn’t invested enough to explore further.
But speculating about someones character and throwing all kinds af accusation around is pretty much what Ullja did. The fact that in this case it s Nutmeg makes no difference.
SO, what I say is simply that talking behind someone’s back in regard to thier reputation, in a way that impacts thier business, is wrong. Regardless.
This was ALL PURE SPECULATION at that point. Having been number one on a fraud blog, might gve me more perspective, but i still wouldn’t want to be part of that sort of conversation.
Oh, and in the future, just ask. I’m always happy to answer. goatmountainarts@aol.com
It was mentioned on Closed Threads that Etsy listings are still showing up in search for Adia in India. I thought I read they stopped collecting for Adia, but Keala has a listing up so I guess I read wrong.
As posted on Closed Threads -
There’s no NEW listings. These are the same as before. I’ve taken a bloody week off from this due to illness, so haven’t sent the second notification to the remaining sellers yet.
Notification for remaining sellers completed.
As posted on Closed Threads.
No new ones? There is one listed on 5th November and one on 26th October. They are probably re-listings but you should be ensuring this doesn’t happen.
This mess was supposed to have been stopped two weeks or more ago.
I’ve not kept up with events, has anyone any idea where the child Nutmeg calls Adia is? I sense that some people are still pursuing this?
The impression I get is that for all anyone knows she could be out on the street in a few rags working at begging again or could be dead.
Its eight weeks since Nutmeg left to go to Nepal for 2 weeks and any thing could have happened during that time.
Filbert, you are not in any capacity whatsoever to tell me what I should or should not be doing.
Furthermore, I’m not engaging with you as I really don’t think you sincerely care about Adia in any way.
I thought this was all over now
Does anyone know where Nutmeg is
She could be anywhere, I find myself looking at skinny people to see if they have a big nose, dirty chewed fingernails and a coarse mop of hair
I know where she is – you can probably stop wasting your time.
BlackTear, I’m sorry to hear that you’ve been sick. I hope that you’re feeling better now. Take good care of yourself.
Filbert, while I agree that the “adia in india” listings should be gone from etsy, I don’t think BlackTear can be held personally responsible for removing them. She sent out the message to remove the tags before and she’s said she’ll send out a reminder message, and that’s really about all she can do.
I’m sure if BlackTear could just fix all of the listings herself with one database command, she would do that
Unfortunately, the sellers have to fix their own listings.
It’s possible that those sellers read the original convo, set it aside for later, and never went back to it. Or maybe they relisted/reactivated an item without realizing that the “adia in india” tag was there. I know I’ve done that before.
Black Tear, where can we go to find out how Adia is doing? I did donate and had listings up for Adia.
Thanks Chantelle… I’m not really feeling better yet, hence my current bitchiness *sighs* It’s going to be a long cold/flu season.
Hey Nat… Here’s part of an email I sent to someone else asking how Adia is -
“… (Nutmeg) had to leave India right at a most
crucial point in getting Adia longer-term health care (with Fernandez
Hospital) and has been away longer than originally anticipated. Her
contact in India has not made much effort to keep tabs on things, so
we’re pretty much clueless as everyone else. To my knowledge, Adia’s
family has taken her off the streets – but such a long time has
transpired that we simply do not know how Adia is doing presently. The
contact in India hasn’t actually seen the family now for several weeks
(to my understanding).”
Please keep in mind that this is my personal interpretation of the situation. Nutmeg may or may not have additional information.
Thanks for your concern
Hi BlackTear
Sorry you are feeling miserable. Hope you improve soon.
Thank you for the update on Adia. I presume from what you say that she isn’t actually in hospital as first thought. I appreciate your honesty.
Is there any word on Nutmeg’s visa and if she will get back to India soon? Will she now actually be returning to Hyderabad, do you think?
Thanks Lexie…
I do not know the status of Nutmeg’s Visa nor when she will be returning to India. I hope she’s able to soon so she can check up on Adia.
Thanks for the update on the child and nutmeg, BlackTear. I hope that the child is doing ok – not starving, for a start – and that she stayed in hospital for however long the doctor’s recommended.
You had the flu??? Oh, that sucks. I’ve heard that pretty well all flu cases right now are h1n1 and that it’s harder to get rid of than the “normal” flu.
Sending hugs to you… take care of yourself.
I’d like to point people to a BBC article related to the suggestion that KIVA (cause Oprah says so) is somehow a better “organization” to donate monies to:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/09/business/global/09kiva.html?_r=1&em
Black Tear you have no idea what ^capacity^ I am in, its true I am not ^sincerely^ concerned for a child who exists in a few photographs provided by someone who is very well proven to make up fanciful stories to suit her own purposes and in any case nobody has any idea where the child is and whether she is even alive at present or whether anyone will hear anything about her again unless it suits Nutmeg.
I do however sincerely care, with good reason, about the law relating to obtaining funds by deception which if you haven’t already checked you should do so if having started this fund raising campaign you fail to take sufficient steps to stop it now.
For example does the paypal payment link on the storyofadia.blogspot lead to depositing funds in a paypal account you have control over?
Due to the efforts to promote the cause to many parties outside Etsy people may still be likely to visit that page and decide to donate. In the circumstances whoever is responsible for the paypal account linked could be held liable.
I care about real people and real events. Believe it or not I care about kind hearted people being lead into illegal activities and bearing the full burden of any repercussions – Nutmeg ^somewhere in Asia^ will not suffer the consequences of any such actions.
Mention has already been made by some in his thread of reporting the matter to the relevant authorities. While initially those involved in soliciting for donations were doing so in good faith and ignorance of certain things since revealed that defense will no longer hold good.
I also care far more about the thousands of children who are starving because they have no parents or live in famine stricken areas than I do about a child with a family who are deliberately keeping her the way she is.
I do care that interfering and giving them money and goods (if that is actually happening or has happened) results in them being more determined to keep her in a pitiful condition for what she ^earns^ like that even by cruelly bleeding her and prolonging and increasing her suffering because they become more aware how good a strategy it is. Remember that it isn’t uncommon for beggars to amputate healthy limbs in order to elicit more sympathy. I also fear for further babies born into the family assuming the child they are using in this way is their own and not one who is ^borrowed^ for the purposes of being used in begging.
I have done everything I can to avert disaster in this now – I have no further interest in it or what happens, I know I tried and that is all that matters to me.
Some of the helpful “non-biased” comments by Filbert:
Post 407:
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“(Netmug is irritating on top of everything else)”
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Post 409:
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I’m off now, better things to do. WORK to do, money to make.
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No point replying, I will not be back. Too busy, life to lead.
Post 1228:
Empty vessels make the most noise
Post 1325:
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Anyone still believing Nutmeg is a total fuckwit.
Post 1328:
Speaking of fuckwits – are you here again eyemohini?
Post 1471:
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She talks more sense than everyone in etc. combined, what a loss she is to the Etsy forum.
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Post 1515:
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I’ve not kept up with events, has anyone any idea where the child Nutmeg calls Adia is? I sense that some people are still pursuing this?
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REL post 409: How’s that money? Still busy? Bling bling ching ching.
Filbert –
Unless you are ‘behind the scenes’ and a member of the Board;
Unless you are the officer that may or may not show up at my door;
Unless you are my legal representative -
Then you are indeed in no capacity.
well hej…
i think you guys are crazy paranoid. obviously, nutmeg was just trying to help, and didn’t go about it through the ‘legal’ system although i doubt there is much of an orderly legal system in India at all… okej, so no visa etc. not everyone is funded by their mor och far that they can just get visas left and right, so when it was done, they had to go to Nepal.
Ja, maybe this could have been handled a bit better, but what do you expect to happen in India when the people trying to do something are not rich? Also, I think all these negative comments and digging up old blogs are apparent that this is all some attack deal on someone who actually is doing something…
i very much support someone who is not going through the fucked up legal systems and trying to make a change on their own. it’s sad that her etsy shop had to be closed because of a bunch of angry interwebbers.
if you all would open your eyes for one second you would see how apparent it is that the world isn’t perfect and when someone has a child and is traveling and not much access to the internet it’s hard to keep up with everything. and in my opinion she did a lot for that child, i am sure the money went to her, and not to some Buddhist temple or whichever, i think nutmeg is a creative person and just has a lot of things on her mind and not short of traveling all over the world with a tiny one. think all this drama is a sad factor of people who are angry and jealous of someone else’s lifestyle.
I mean, really, what does her old blog have to do with any of this anyways? that’s from 2006? as in, who hasn’t done crazy silly things when they were that age? i think you should all instead of attacking someone who was obviously doing something to help should shut up log off and go do something yourselves to help a child or whomever if the horrible idea of a scam kills you so much.
but that’s the thing, even if this was a scam, which it definitely is not, you guys don’t even care about the baby, just about your money, so, it shows how much you even have to say anywho.
JesiSvensson Says:
it’s sad that her etsy shop had to be closed because of a bunch of angry interwebbers.
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Ahem… nutmeg’s shop was finally closed down because she wasn’t shipping to or communicating with her buyers. Those “angry interwebbers” were people who’d tried to purchase items from her and didn’t received them… and who didn’t receive any answer to their messages.
Speaking about the ill-fated foundation, nutmeg can try to help all she likes, but if she wants people in the “West” to get on board with her, she needs to answer their questions and be prepared to back up her statements. Just because things are messed up in India doesn’t mean that they’re messed up here.
“Ahem… nutmeg’s shop was finally closed down because she wasn’t shipping to or communicating with her buyers. Those “angry interwebbers” were people who’d tried to purchase items from her and didn’t received them… and who didn’t receive any answer to their messages.”
I noticed some people posted they received their products. And this applies to the blog entry title how? Oh yea, the titles doesn’t mean shit when the content isn’t related.
“Speaking about the ill-fated foundation, nutmeg can try to help all she likes, but if she wants people in the “West” to get on board with her, she needs to answer their questions and be prepared to back up her statements. Just because things are messed up in India doesn’t mean that they’re messed up here.”
That’s the thing, there’s some people in the “west” that don’t want to buy shabby chic and dress their toy dogs.
still haven’t received my product. only one or 2 people did and months late at that.
some of us “angry interwebbers” actually have valid things to be upset about. all she had to do was answer my convos…better yet this all could have been avoided if she just sent the products when people bought them. if she couldn’t do that, she shouldn’t have had things for sale, period.
Eyemohini – I don’t think Filbert has ever made any pretence at being non-biased, his comments elsewhere have been the exact opposite.
Also most of those comments were made to or about you. Is he hurting your pride?
Filbert – I understand your concerns about the laws regarding deception but I should imagine that after all this time and after what has happened regarding Nutmeg that whoever is looking after the Paypal account will have taken legal counsel on the matter.
It stands to reason when it looks like Nutmeg is out of the country and has been for two months and it also looks as if no one has any idea of what has happened to the child, not even whether she is dead or alive that any money still being donated would be returned to the person who donated it immediately.
If money was accepted at this late stage then yes, I think that could be construed as fraudulent but I am sure that whoever is looking after the Paypal account will have taken advice on where they stand legally regarding that account.
Whether by accident or design, Nutmeg would have no part in any legal issues with the account. That would be purely down to the person handling that account and accepting donations.
JesiSvensson – I agree that a lot of what has been written here is of no importance when taken indivudually but when it all read together it does show Nutmeg as being less than honest.
What is not in doubt unfortunately is the fact that Nutmeg has taken orders and not delivered them. Possibly that is because she was out of the country and unable to get access to the items sold, but as Sproutmama says, she should not have had items for sale if she was unable to deliver them in a reasonable period of time.
What is also not in doubt is that Nutmeg has been proved as well as it is possible to prove anything on the internet, that she is a Reseller. That alone brings into doubt her honesty and integrity.
When a claim against her was put in to Paypal that claim was found against her but there was no money in her Paypal account for the buyer to be repaid.
There would therefore appear to be some cause for speculation that she is now effectively stuck in Nepal with no money and no way of earning any from her now closed Etsy account.
“Eyemohini – I don’t think Filbert has ever made any pretence at being non-biased, his comments elsewhere have been the exact opposite.
Also most of those comments were made to or about you. Is he hurting your pride?”
My pride? Naw, maybe I was being too subtle. My point was that when they said this:
“I have done everything I can to avert disaster in this now – I have no further interest in it or what happens, I know I tried and that is all that matters to me.”
I was somewhat surprised that their previous comments didn’t validate that statement. But from the start, you group of people aren’t really out to “help” anyone but yourselves.
Ven did you move to Sveden and become Svedish, JesiSvensson?
In post 1483 you were just a bitter all time American gal telling us that Nutmeg had other children that she left with their father(s).
In post 1493 you told us
think the best thing to do is warn people about her and then never ever utter another word or internet statement about her again.
and then in post 1494
i am sure you read this as you thrive off attention…you should be ashamed of yourself. grow up.”
pretty much you hit the nail on the head. really guys, the best course of action here is that now her shop has been closed just make a mass effort of putting up warnings about her crazy scamming ass and then close all forums and ignore all words she has to say. don’t reply to her snide comments, trust me, it will make her shrivel when she starts to realize that she has no power over anyone and is just a small person in a big world and not really all that ’special’ pretty much just an ‘easy’ hippie.
Then suddenly in post 1529 you become Svedish with
Ja maybe this could have been handled a bit better
and that
Nutmeg is a creative person and just has a lot of things on her mind and not short of traveling all over the world with a tiny one. think all this drama is a sad factor of people who are angry and jealous of someone else’s lifestyle
I think I will keep popping back in here but only for the entertainment value now.
“But from the start, you group of people aren’t really out to “help” anyone but yourselves.”
Yeah, really.
Snarky and rude sarcasm, laced with conspiracy weaving doesn’t equate to constructive suggestions presented in a caring/concerned manner.
Not once has anyone approached me privately with a -
“Y’know Svartr/BlackTear/Bonita, I really think you guys are over your head and Nutmeg may not be who you think she is. I’m concerned your involvement will get you into legal problems.”
Nope, it all has to be an aggressive, “SCAM! FRAUD!! You guys are IDIOTS!”
Approach me in a reasonable manner, and I will be more receptive to your concerns.
(BTW – Nice summary in post 1533 Lexie)
i have heard lately from several people that they have received the items i sent shortly before leaving H’bad. they were postmarked between oct.22 and oct.24
it was clearly stated in my shop announcements and policies that during Diwali/Ganesh Puja, shipping time can be over two months because of increased volume of packages and frequent closures.
i presume that the post office did not process the packages (stamp them past customs) until october.
now that people have finally received the items, for which they made paypal claims and took their payment back, these people should probably go ahead and pay me for them again. you aren’t entitled to a free item just because it longer to reach you than you wished….especially not when i warned you of the current shipping delays.
too, nothing can be done to erase the negative feedback that was left, even though the items were indeed received, and not much later than my estimated projection of shipping delay. before this fracas, if an item was late, someone gave it the benefit of the doubt for coming from overseas and waited for it. then they received it and all was well.
now, some people found a witch-hunt bandwagon to hop on, which made them feel entitled to assume they’ve been defrauded, leave me negative feedback, and take back their payment for thier orders.
i can only assume that all of these people who are so outraged at the mere hint of dishonesty will not want to keep an item that they have not paid for. i can then assume that, if they revoked their payment, but then received the item, they would feel they should go ahead and pay for that item again.
the mere premise of my being a filthy cocksucking hippie would not entitle anyone to get a free etsy item from me, would it? that would be terribly dishonest.
anyone who wants to pay me for the stuff they eventually recieved, after slandering me because they hadn’t had it yet, can contact me at the very same email address i always provide
adiasauntys@gmail.com
also – if there is still an active donation button on one of the blogs, it will be removed. merely an oversight, not a plot of E-VIL.
also!
sprout – i’ve messaged you. you’ve not seen, or ignored – check your blog’s messages form a couple of weeks ago. we each bought an item from the other of about the same price. neither of us have received them. you ‘claim’ you sent mine but it got ‘returned’ to you – i’ve refrained from concocting a tantrum about it. it’s called the benefit of the doubt – i’m not sure why i’m less entitled to it than you. in any case…either respond to my messages, message me at the place i indicate repeatedly, or stop bellowing because i don’t respond to things i don’t see. sorry if that sounds terse, but really….it’s a tad much.
if anyone had NOT recieved an item from me, contact me. if anyone HAS, contact me.
thrice also:
if anyone cares about the child Adia, you may also contact me at (drumroll)
adiasauntys@gmail.com
not about money, not about my old blogs, but about the real, extant child in Hyderabad whom i truly and actually tried to help. if anyone remebers or cares to know about her, you may contact me.
as for anyone who still wishes to gripe about items they finally received, or whether they felt my etsy shop was in the TOU, or whether i’ve populated the world with 8 million bastard lovechildren all with big noses and dirty nails, or how you think i hacked your computer, or whether or not i’m a hippie (actually, i prefer Brutalist art and don’t especially like nature)….didn’t cwebster direct everyone to a particular passage of Exodus back when everyone decided to roast him alive for having less money than you thought he should, or was it for having a formidable schlanger, or perhaps you just didn’t like him, but anyway he’s a wretched person who should suffer and so is this person and that, oh and this one over here……..
time to return to doing better things in the country i am now in. burma? kansas? who knows! who cares! do something more interesting with your time!
um nutmeg what the hell are you talking about. when you decide to give me a valid address i will send your package in teh original package it was sent back to me in that says “not a valid address”
i sent you countless emails to several different emails and websites and blogs of yours and you NEVER contacted me back once i became concerned. you NEVER gave me that email. you never made an attempt to help me
i email;ed you over and over and over asking for an address for you and you NEVER gave it to me.
you are a serious nutcase. no where did it say my package would take 3 months..and it still hasn’t arrived. in fact months ago you emailed me asking if my packaged arrived safely. so were you lying?
you need to get a grip and realize that yes, we realize your a nutcase.
and yes i still want a refund.
oh i see on october 27th after months of me emailing you you wrote a comment on my blog that i haven’t written on in weeks. how convenient. why dint you just respond to my emails or convos or messages? that would make it easier than seeking out a blog i dont use anymore and writing a comment without me knowing wouldn’t it?
im so tired of this
please ignore the last 2 comments i wrote out of frustration. i emailed you AGAIN nutmeg. please respond for real this time.
nutmeg, your etsy shop didn’t say it would take two months for items to arrive. It said that it’s festival season and so shipping would be delayed. Many people would be unwilling to wait so long for their items, especially since your two-month window is longer than the Paypal claims window.
Your “they must have just stamped the items in October” is hilarious! Especially because some of your sales happened while you were in Nepal. How could they have shipped from India before you left, only to be stamped at the end of October? That’s beyond insane, nutmeg.
Oh and nutmeg – why are you changing your email address now? People haven’t always been able to reach you at the adiasauntys gmail account… you’ve always told people that you could be reached at the dustcastles gmail account.
After reading through all of this, having followed the drama on Etsy and on your blog. All I can say is: nutmeg – you’re pathetic.
Well, I will reiterate….
I never GOT a refund from Paypal, because there was NO MONEY to get.
I did receive “an item”, but it was NOT the item I paid for. It is a completely different set of dolls than in the pictures on the Etsy listing I purchased. These dolls are not repainted vintage dolls. They are brand new.
So, if the post office held on to them for weeks and weeks, as you claim, you are saying that you knowingly sent me something different than what I paid for?
You are ridiculous.
As usual a tirade against anyone who dares complain or point out lies and wrong doings, conveniently ignoring certain valid points along the way I’m sure we are all growing used to this from Nutmeg by now
Lexie you are right in that the pseudo-Scandinavian with total sympathy for Nutmeg in post number 1529 is a reincarnation of a previous poster who hadn’t a good word to say about her, in fact the poster who said some of the worst things here in this thread, post number 1483, including the statements Nutmeg refers to in “or whether i’ve populated the world with 8 million bastard lovechildren“ and the majority of remarks about being a hippy, strange you have placed so much emphasis on the comments made in that post made a week ago Nutmeg
Fortunately nobody seems to have repeated what was said about the trail of bastards left with their fathers or I’m sure Nutmeg could have sued them for libel and won the case and taken the money
So Nutmeg at least that is one person you have no need to worry about any more now they have so drastically changed their opinion of you and one claim about you that nobody believes, not even the person who made it here because their most recent post was one of the most supportive posts towards you that anyone has made
I think Lexie is also right that all that is left here now is entertainment value
Isn’t it funny how those two most recent posts don’t “sound” like Nutjob?
Is it Mr. Nutjob posting?
Does she have another “friend” posting?
Yes, Nutjob, or whoever you are, you are pathetic.
I too have suspected that it’s been Mr. Nutmeg posting under her name for the past several posts.
Nutmeg said on Wednesday – also – if there is still an active donation button on one of the blogs, it will be removed. merely an oversight, not a plot of E-VIL.
I see that the donation button in thestoryofadia.blogspot.com is still active. I hope it doesn’t take her as long to remove that as it does for her to deliver orders. Maybe another “festival” is causing the delay.
Maybe her account was hacked by the same people that hacked Brittney Spears’ twitter account! OMG, they’re going after everyone!
ok so you told me to email that address and said you would get right back with my concerns and…..still nothing.
sproutmama Says:
ok so you told me to email that address and said you would get right back with my concerns and…..still nothing.
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I’m sorry sprout. If you haven’t, put in a dispute with PayPal. Maybe after her (or Mr. Nutmeg’s) ridiculous plea for those to pay her again through PayPal, even though they finally received… not what they ordered / poor quality / mass produced / not handmade… Maybe one or more buyers fell for their line again and sent money to her PP. At least you can get something back.
If you do put in a dispute, escalate to a claim right away (I think that’s the term, haven’t done it in awhile and too tired to go check!).
For someone (Nutmeg) who doesn’t have a job and used to spend 24/7 on the Etsy forums (and apparently after reading this blog, everywhere else on the net), I’m sure she will have a good excuse why she didn’t answer you.
Good luck!
“Questioning Adia foundation/founders”
Lets stay on topic kids!
nutmegclick
shop . profile . contact
rating: 170, 89% pos.
joined: Jul 29, 2008
location: hyderabad
Scam artist nutmegclick scores herself a new vintage wardrobe before leaving Etsy
http://pussdaddyblogs.blogspot.com/2009/11/scam-artist-nutmegclick-scores-herself.html
If anyone still wants to donate for a child who may or may not be in hospital in her familys home village
Who may or may not be due for admission to Fernandez hospital together with her pregnant mother and her siblings where she was supposed to be going two months ago
Who might be laying around in the street begging or might be dead and gone
You can still make your paypal donation here
http://thestoryofadia.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2009-09-08T11%3A25%3A00-07%3A00&max-results=7
Jesus, it’s still posted on facebook too? That is so wrong. So very wrong.
Even worse, people are still joining this cause on facebook. Three people joined on November 10. It’s so sad that people are joining in good faith but the organization is basically disbanded.
Too much time on my hands, it’s ticking away with my sanity
I’ve got too much time on my hands, it’s hard to believe such a calamity
I’ve got too much time on my hands and it’s ticking away from me
Too much time on my hands, too much time on my hands
Too much time on my hands
Most sensible post you have made yet eyemohini, you definitely do have too much time on your hands to post something after almost every post made, I don’t think one of your eyemohini posts has added anything at all to the debate except something for everyone to laugh at
I’m thinking you have a bet with someone that you will eventually be the thread killer
Not Really Surprised Says:
Most sensible post you have made yet eyemohini, you definitely do have too much time on your hands to post something after almost every post made, I don’t think one of your eyemohini posts has added anything at all to the debate except something for everyone to laugh at
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LOL, ain’t it the truth!
You missed the first line of the song, eyemohini
I would have thought that more appropriate to yourself than any of the other words you have written previously.
“Yeah, I’m sittin’ on this bar stool talking like a damn fool”
There’s a debate going on here? Looks like a lynching to me.
gg no re
Can’t someone remove that link off of facebook?
Blog no longer has donation button;
Facebook Cause deactivated;
Last Donation received Oct 1, 2009.
What link Sally? The Facebook Cause is not even there anymore – if you’re still seeing it, it’s probably just cached on your system. Besides… it was an AWARENESS thing on Facebook – it was never setup to receive donations, and no donations have ever came through it. So people, stop freaking out.
BT: c’mon, what else would they have left to freak out about if it wasn’t related to NM? Don’t take the pacifier away just yet.
Hi Blacktear
There were two Donate buttons, one on the front page and one at the very bottom of the second page. That second one is still there. I know it is just an oversight but it is still there.
BlackTear Says:
November 17, 2009 at 3:29 am
Blog no longer has donation button;
Blog still has donate button
http://thestoryofadia.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2009-09-08T11%3A25%3A00-07%3A00&max-results=7
Not Really Surprised Says:
Blog still has donate button
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http://etsycallout.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/questioning-adia-foundationfounders%E2%80%8F/#comment-4233
Thread is mistitled, fix please.
Okay, thanks for the link. Just an oversight, I’m sure. I have no administrative control on the blog, so patience would be nice. Nutmeg DID post that donations are no longer being accepted, so I’m sure new visitors would see that before seeing the donate button anyways. Also, any donations that may slip through would be automatically refunded. So, again – please chill about it.
Thanks Blacktear. I presumed it was just an oversight.
eyemohini Says: November 17, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Not Really Surprised Says:
Blog still has donate button
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http://etsycallout.wordpress. com/2009/10/14/questioning-adia-foundationfounders%E2%80%8F/#comment-4233
Thread is mistitled, fix please.
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This thread is titled
“Questioning Adia foundation/founders”
Foundation/founders are Adias Auntys
Blog link donation button leads to paypal account in name of Adiasauntys (at) gmail.com to pay the Adia fund
Go and find ^your^ thread eyemohini its probably titled “The cretin eyemohini shows off ignorance and stupidity”.
My day off work today so some time to spare and I knew if I checked the fuckwit would still be sitting in here full time performing to the crowd.
Your village called eyemohini, they are an idiot missing.
I’m glad you are managing to sort this crazy mess out BlackTear/Bonita, not an enviable task to have.
Please point me to an issue regarding the Adia Foundation on this thread that ISN’T specifically attacking the single person we all know you wish to lynch.
Your issues with the “buttons” and “facebook” etc, are all a front for your continued need to find a tall tree and noose for one person. Don’t lie and say it’s your kind hearts and generous nature that keep you posting.
Unfortunately you appear to be even more stupid than I thought eyemohini.
That is what this thread is about.
One single person who started this scam, because that is now what it definitely appears to be. There would be no Adia or Adia Auntys without that single person.
One single person who was reselling on Etsy and telling lies about what she was selling.
One single person who either hasn’t been sending out goods bought or sending alternatives.
One single person who has been caught out in many lies.
Would you prefer for the generous and caring Auntys to be attacked? ^You^ probably would.
Is it looking at ^those^ photos of Nutmeg that makes you get all hot and bothered about her?
Of course if you would volunteer to be lynched along with her I’m sure that would be very popular.
If you read the last Etsy thread that PussDaddy has given the link to you will realize that a lot of Etsy forum users are ^still^ not aware of the situation including some that donated and may well be going without a few luxuries in order to raise enough money to make another donation.
Those are the people the majority of those posting in this thread care about, definitely not Nutmeg, probably not even a child that it appears nobody has any knowledge about other than what Nutmeg, a liar, has told them and as far as I can see even she doesn’t appear to be making up any fanciful stories about the child’s progress now.
As for you, I care less about you than the bull shit you spout constantly and I doubt I am the only one who feels that way.
Claps madly twirls HUZZAH
Again, how is the thread title accurate if as you repeatedly state the thread is about “One single person…”?
I believe you people mistake me for taking sides still. And continue to believe I didn’t just find this thread randomly via WordPress. That’s cute.
I have no interest in this thread other than to continue to see you return after so vehemently stating “you’re done” with the topic, multiple times. Way to stick to your guns.
BTW: can you tell I only read the first three paragraphs?
Yes, there is an active donate button (two Hamsa with the word “Donate”) at the bottom of the page.
http://thestoryofadia.blogspot.com/2009/09/finances.html
It is active and takes you to a Paypal page.
See, BlackTear, this is why you have no credibility.
oh boy, you REALLY don’t want to push me, mmmkay?
Please read this again -
“Okay, thanks for the link. Just an oversight, I’m sure. I HAVE NO ADMINISTRATIVE CONTROL on the blog, so patience would be nice. Nutmeg DID post that donations are no longer being accepted, so I’m sure new visitors would see that before seeing the donate button anyways. Also, ANY DONATIONS THAT MAY SLIP THROUGH WOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY REFUNDED.”
So, I have no credibility because I missed that one button and thought people were referring to the one that WAS removed? Remember, it’s not my blog. I can only do what I can do.
Thanks for the comment, Filbert – it hasn’t really been fun.
Hold on a min, that blog is not BlackTear’s, it’s nut’s blog, it’s her job to remove it.
Oops, looks like she got another negative:
nutmegclick
shop . profile . contact
rating: 171, 88% pos.
joined: Jul 29, 2008
location: hyderabad
Anon8, where are you finding this feedback? The shop “nutmegclick” does not exist on Etsy anymore.
oh boy all BlackTear can do is act on information supplied here as best she can by asking Nutmeg to remove things, close things and by ensuring that any donations are returned
The OP for anyone who actually takes the time to read it was asking five questions about the Nutmegs past record, character and possible motives and alerting the Auntys to what they were dealing with and gradually more information of this type has been provided and as far as we can tell the Auntys have been acting on it
I see no accusation of the Auntys themselves in the OP
Initially the Auntys worked so hard setting up so much, writing to people and getting the word out they have created a Juggernaut that is proving difficult to put a stop to while my guess is that they are very likely getting the run around from Nutmeg
Bookworm-I made a purchase from Nutmeg right before this started, If I go into my etsy, under purchases and click on the item (not the seller’s name) it will bring me to the item’s page and from there I can see the current feedback. If I was to just click on an item of hers or her etsy username it would give me the “oops” page.
While I’m here, I would like to thank BlackTear and Keala for at least trying to straighten things out. I have no disrespect for Auntys and the people who got on board for the whole Adia thing. I got on board, too. It was hard not to, when confronted with stories and photos that Nut posted. It’s over now. At this point, I have given up on wondering about Adia (how she is, if she’s even alive at this point and so on) and now I am just moving forward putting this bullshit scenario behind me.
Because of this nutsack/Adia crap and this Nicholas Francisco fiasco (who was found very much alive and well enjoying his new life sans his burdonsome family obligations and who I remember myself being one of the few with the guts to be popping up in every single one of his big sob story money collection threads sayiing “he isn’t lost because he knows where he is” and getting villified for doing it and of course no one cares to admit now that OOPS we were wrong and you were right Puss sorry about that and sorry we called you a heartless non-caring trouble making troll every day that this epic caterwauling, hand wringing, heart wrenching, candle lighting, catastrophic event played out in the forum)
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6214212
I know I will be a lot more careful about who and what I donate money to. At least the money I donated to save seaturtles actually went to a legitimate charity and wasn’t wasted like all these other donations to these scams were (my own included in the Adia one as I made a small donation myself), and I have come to the conclusion that I would almost rather help animals than people because most (not all) people put themselves where they are anyway and can help themselves while animals cannot help themselves and mostly are where they are because of people. And people wonder why everyone is skeptical whenever a new sob story is posted in the forum. If you can afford the internet and can afford to hang on the computer all day every day then you don’t need any financial help, IMHO. Sheeeeesh!
Did you post this here cause nobody visits your blog?
eyemohini Says:
Did you post this here cause nobody visits your blog?
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Oh but they do dumbass, they do.
If you say so Kitten, you’re the epitome of reliable sources.
As much as you have posted, you’d think you would of wrote at least ONE post relevant to the subject. Amazing really, it’s as if you are posting replies to the voices in your head?? Just a bunch of rants, which make no sense. You’re certainly a bizarre subject, but amusing all the same.
I’d rather keep my communication with this thread at the level I’ve maintained, than the self-righteous one the majority of you choose to continue to use.
eyemohini Says:
November 20, 2009 at 5:12 am
I’d rather keep my communication with this thread at the level I’ve maintained, than the self-righteous one the majority of you choose to continue to use.
X
Most of the time you appear to have been in a totally different thread or on another planet
How old are you 12
Why do you guys talk to the troll? You’re giving it exactly what it wants.
Google analytics and my blog counter don’t lie as far as counting visitors to my blog, although I do expect that to change as I slow my roll blogging and since cutting off the ability to comment on my blog. I am sure those who have commented publically that they get lots of visitors to their sites because I put a link to them on my blog are not lying either, as one of them who did so doesn’t care all that much for me personally yet still said that. I mean if you are going to troll at least make some sort of attempt at credibility when doing it. Let’s see, I deleted my blog in Sept., then I undeleted it the next day, but doing so reset my view counter to 0, so in a couple of months I have had 93, 996 visitors to my blog, and that is not counting the thousands and thousands of visitor views on the view counter I lost when I deleted it. Here is what google analytics says
Yearly visits= 30, 194 unique visitors (Since Sept)
This Month= 17,649 unique visits
This Week= 2,624 unique visits
Yesterday= 479 unique visits
But like I said I am barely posting on my blog now and cut off comments. Soon I will not be blogging at all, but I hardly call those numbers having no visitors to my blog. I could probably go on blogging all the while increasing visitors and followers but I choose not to. You see eyehomini, unlike you I have more options than sitting and trolling the same thread for weeks on end. Or maybe that is actually what bothers you about me so much, that people care about what I say and don’t really seem to give a shit about what you say.
Because they can’t comment on the shaby chic blog anymore?
PD, you made up those numbers, I know you did. Don’t bother with a screenshot either because it’ll be photoshopped.
Right? Yeah…
People just like BS, controversy and conspiracy theories, I think.
(and please take my comments as playful sarcasm)
“You see eyehomini, unlike you I have more options than sitting and trolling the same thread for weeks on end. Or maybe that is actually what bothers you about me so much, that people care about what I say and don’t really seem to give a shit about what you say.”
There you go again, assuming things about people based off what you know of them from a single encounter. You’re just the ultimate judge of character, obviously. So confident as to make statements about people and who and what they do, when, where and why.
But you see. I have the advantage here. You know nothing about me other than what statements I’ve made here. And whats really eating who and what is probably that I know more about you than you do me.
Feel free to continue to make up a background and purpose for my continued posting here. I like replying.
Anyone with some roosters and white wash want to comment?
BTW: to the person “managing” this thread, if you want to continue to remove my posts, just remove em all. Why pick and choose to suit your agenda? Oh wait, thats what you do.
BTW: There is no agenda here, your comment got deleted due to your derogatory names for homosexuals and foul mouth. Deal with it. -ECO
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So all the posts in the past derogatory comments in relation to the individual this thread is about, those are good to go, but me calling attention to that, thats wrong. Got it.
“Is it wrong to want to beat up malnourished hippies?”
“Some of you are dumber than a box of fucking rocks.”
“I prefer to let eyehomo stew in his own juices.”
None of the personal attacks made by people, none of it, is derogatory, by your definition. Got it.
eyehomo out
Wow, an IP block because I’m a mirror to the abusive nature of your friends. LOL, okay cutie.
So this is how it looks when a troll has a meltdown??
Not pretty, look away folks.
Wouldn’t a meltdown be more dramatic? Something like removing, editing, closing comments and banning ips?
Then again, let us consider the source of that comment. What a small insulated world Kittens live in.
nutmegclick
shop . profile . contact
rating: 173, 87% pos.
joined: Jul 29, 2008
location: hyderabad
LOL-nutmeg’s ex has been emailing me, and though I don’t want to give a blow by blow post of everything in the emails, let’s just say that I am even more convinced now that she is just a big fat scammer and that there never was an Adia.
Pussdaddy,
Seems too good to be true. Suddenly after all this time an ex finds your blog and decides to email you with information which they would expect you to print.
Not unlike post 1483 from justanothertwocents who slated her and then the same person in post 1529 under a different name, JesiSvensson, appearing to be on her side. That was one and the same person though and possibly trying to draw people to say maybe more than they should.
Much as I am delighted that this whole Adia thing would appear to be finished I would be very cautious about any fresh information coming to light.
You have done more in exposing this than anyone else and you should be commended for that but you will have made enemies along the way so I urge you to tread cautiously.
Just too convenient.
Yea, ex’s always tell the truth when they break up. Ex’s are always civil, never lie, and never stalk each other. Believe every word he says.
Whatever happened to that “second guess everything” attitude of yours? Oh wait, the “ex” is confirming everything you want to be truth. So no need to question that!
“and though I don’t want to give a blow by blow post of everything in the emails”
LoL, you’re such a hipocrite.
You’ll go outta your way to find bits of personal information you claim as fact on your Google searches and post it here.
But now you’re somehow “concerned” about privacy in relation to this “ex”.
One or the other, not both. Learn to be a better “detective”.
There’s a difference between finding something on the internet and someone emailing you privately. Stuff found on the internet is freely available for people to look up and quote and use to draw conclusions.
But if someone emails you privately about stuff that’s not available on the internet, then it’s up to the person who send the email to publicly post the information they have.
Chantelle don’t waste your time trying to use reasoned argument with the stupid fool mohini
When I saw PussDaddy had posted I knew the new flame would soon attract the little fluttering moth to dance in it, I was only surprised it took so long to get here
Puss I think Lexie makes a good point. The person who sent you emails could be anyone pot stirring and hoping you might repeat something untrue – its happened before in this thread
“There’s a difference between finding something on the internet and someone emailing you privately.”
Sure is. Its the intent to consistently vilify somebody, with zero proven fact and making the statement “you have more” but won’t share that makes this so…um, fetched and false?
I have information about PD, I got emails, they tell me what a truly horrible person PD is. Believe me and the source.
“….its happened before in this thread”
Why leave it at that statement? It started with, and continues to.
One thing I do know for sure is that her name, when typed into the Wisconsin Court System link he sent, it brings up exactly what he says it will bring up. As far as I know, state court system sites replete with docket numbers for court cases and verdicts don’t lie.
PussDaddy
Besides her court cases coming up on the Wisconsin Court System like this person said they would his name appears as a petitioner on one of them. Does this prove it is he who is emailing me? Maybe not. But it does prove that what the person emailing me is saying is true. And what point are we trying to make here anyway-that it is really her ex emailing me or that she is really running a scam with this starving kid story? Whoever is emailing me what they are telling me checks out so far.
PussDaddy
“Does this prove it is he who is emailing me? Maybe not. But it does prove that what the person emailing me is saying is true.”
It proves that this person, gave you a name, that is in the system of one of fifty states.
I’ll email you some stuff about John Doe in that same state. It will say that they’re a White Male (in addition to some others). Use that name as spelled, it’s their given name. My name is Jane Doe, you should see one court case in that system with both our names.
“Does this prove it is he who is emailing me? Maybe not. But it does prove that what the person emailing me is saying is true.”
It proves that this person, gave you a name, that is in the system of one of fifty states.
I’ll email you some stuff about John Doe in that same state. It will say that they’re a White Male (in addition to some others). Use that name as spelled, it’s their given name. My name is Jane Doe, you should see one court case in that system with both our names.
It’s on the internet, check it out.
PD, which name would that be, the legal one? :0
Too funny, no one is answering the troll so now it talks to itself.
“Too funny, no one is answering the troll so now it talks to itself.”
Is every post you make going to be about me? I feel really special now that I know I’m the only reason you come here.
Well since Pussdaddy has decided to be noble and allow everyone to slam her over this “new information” situation, I am going to be the one to blow the the whistle.
The court records show that Nutmeg owes TONS of money in back child support. Yes, she has a child that she abandoned according to the records. The ex husband periodically does an internet search on her to see if he can find her. His recent search led him to PD’s blog and he contacted PD to find out if she knew anything. She verified the court records before even proceeding since she didnt know who this person was. She found the child support judgements as well as nutmegs arrest records which include shoplifting among other savory things. The husband gave other details that need not that need not be repeated since they can’t be proven by an outside source..
PD was concerned that this child would one day search for his mother and end up reading here that she had abandoned him and that she was a career criminal. She shared it with me privately and will probably not be pleased that I posted this. However, my take is that if he goes online he can read this in court documents just as easily. And since some of you like to think the worst about PD I decided to spill the beans. Now isn’t it ironic that Nutmeg wants to save a child in India? If she wants to support a child financially she should start with her own.
“decided to be noble and allow everyone to slam her”? – LoL – okay, nice joke. I’ll give that one to you.
Court records show? I like how you’re all referring to things “found” on the internet but not providing a single link to said found items proving how evil this person is.
Where are the spilled beans? Right now it’s more like farts in the wind, without links.
And again, what does this have to do with the Adia founders? Which the title of this thread states (but none of the postings have been) is the sole reason for its existence.
Maybe y’all should start a proper flame thread about NM instead of hijacking falsely titled blog threads.
Links? I’d enjoy seeing the “proof” only a few privileged “internet sleuths” seem to be referring to.
Go here:
http://wcca.wicourts.gov/simpleCaseSearch.xsl
Last Name: Vincent
First Name: Brittaney
That shows three court cases, spreading from 2001 to 2006.
The first one is Retail Theft amounting to $212.00 (not including court fees) and was closed as as a ‘Forfeiture’ which carries the following severity:
“Generally, forfeitures are associated with non-serious offenses, violations that are not considered to be misdemeanors or crimes. In many cases, a court appearance is not mandatory, and the offender has the option of simply paying the ticket. ”
The second case involves support/maintenance action and was petitioned by Neil Kresl, whom I assume is the ex and is the one who contacted PD. Not too many details there at all, so there’s no ‘proof’ that Nutmeg owes tons in back child support. It could be him petitioning for alimony for what you can actually see from the court case. You would definitely need an outside source to confirm that one.
And the last court case looks to involve an eviction from a community coop, but no indication as to whether that was for rental arrears or another breach of lease.
And… that’s it.
Nutjob’s reference on this page does indicate some connection to Neil Kresl.
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6266390&page=28
Sir Bedevere: There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
Peasant 1: Are there? Oh well, tell us.
Sir Bedevere: Tell me. What do you do with witches?
Peasant 1: Burn them.
Sir Bedevere: And what do you burn, apart from witches?
Peasant 1: More witches.
Peasant 2: Wood.
Sir Bedevere: Good. Now, why do witches burn?
Peasant 3: …because they’re made of… wood?
Sir Bedevere: Good. So how do you tell whether she is made of wood?
Peasant 1: Build a bridge out of her.
Sir Bedevere: But can you not also build bridges out of stone?
Peasant 1: Oh yeah.
Sir Bedevere: Does wood sink in water?
Peasant 1: No, no, it floats!… It floats! Throw her into the pond!
Sir Bedevere: No, no. What else floats in water?
Peasant 1: Bread.
Peasant 2: Apples.
Peasant 3: Very small rocks.
Peasant 1: Cider.
Peasant 2: Gravy.
Peasant 3: Cherries.
Peasant 1: Mud.
Peasant 2: Churches.
Peasant 3: Lead! Lead!
King Arthur: A Duck.
Sir Bedevere: …Exactly. So, logically…
Peasant 1: If she weighed the same as a duck… she’s made of wood.
Sir Bedevere: And therefore…
Peasant 2: …A witch!
Sir Bedevere: There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
Peasant 1: Are there? Oh well, tell us.
Sir Bedevere: Tell me. What do you do with witches?
Peasant 1: Burn them.
Sir Bedevere: And what do you burn, apart from witches?
Peasant 1: More witches.
Peasant 2: Wood.
Sir Bedevere: Good. Now, why do witches burn?
Peasant 3: …because they’re made of… wood?
Sir Bedevere: Good. So how do you tell whether she is made of wood?
Peasant 1: Build a bridge out of her.
Sir Bedevere: But can you not also build bridges out of stone?
Peasant 1: Oh yeah.
Sir Bedevere: Does wood sink in water?
Peasant 1: No, no, it floats!… It floats! Throw her into the pond!
Sir Bedevere: No, no. What else floats in water?
Peasant 1: Bread.
Peasant 2: Apples.
Peasant 3: Very small rocks.
Peasant 1: Cider.
Peasant 2: Gravy.
Peasant 3: Cherries.
Peasant 1: Mud.
Peasant 2: Churches.
Peasant 3: Lead! Lead!
King Arthur: A Duck.
Sir Bedevere: …Exactly. So, logically…
Peasant 1: If she weighed the same as a duck… she’s made of wood.
Sir Bedevere: And therefore…
Peasant 2: …A witch!
Thank you goodkarma, BlackTear & Interesting.
The other recent posts…. wow, not even in the ballpark on the subject…yet again. Poor pathetic thing.
I thought this was all over two weeks ago, no more collecting, funds given to genuine charities, Nutcase Etsy shops closed
PussDaddy showed a spark of common humanity and decency in respecting an innocent child caught up in this
Then someone who wallows in dirt wherever it can be found starts the whole thing up again
Very appropriate you make soap you must need it
“Thank you goodkarma, BlackTear & Interesting.
The other recent posts…. wow, not even in the ballpark on the subject…yet again. Poor pathetic thing.”
I’m sorry Kitten, I forget sometimes the limited mental facilities of small animals to grasp sarcasm and subtleties.
I’ll try to make my comments more obvious, JUST FOR YOU. Because, just like me for you, you’re my special friend in this thread. So very very special. Like shortbus level.
“Thank you goodkarma, BlackTear & Interesting.
The other recent posts…. wow, not even in the ballpark on the subject…yet again. Poor pathetic thing.”
I’m sorry Kitten, I forget sometimes the limited mental facilities of small animals to grasp sarcasm and subtleties.
I’ll try to make my comments more obvious, JUST FOR YOU. Because, just like me for you, you’re my special friend in this thread. So very very special. Like shortbus level.
And I’m totally seeking your approval Kitten, with every post, isn’t that obvious?
Much like the sarcasm of previous posts, I’m sure you’ll completely miss the point. But please continue to comment about me, since I do seem to be the focus of those for you, which as you stated are “not even in the ballpark on the subject”.
Stop being a feral, and find yourself an owner already.
Now the idiot has got an echo or a split personality
I\’m \”Not Really Surpirsed\” that the crew here that wants to play detective on the internet are interested in pursuing psychiatric judgments also. Playing doctor, good times. Turn your head and cough, good job.
Everyone wants to be something they\’re not?
It would probably take more than a play doctor to cure the mohini’s of his brain cell consitpation and diarrhea of the mouth. It may take a specialist to disengage his head from his ass, too. I may be a play doctor but I ain’t playin’. If you guys hear a giant popping sound that means Dr. PussDaddy was successful in her amateurish attempt at head/anus extraction on mohini even though her stethoscope is plastic and her pills are just candy. Now that he can take a shit the normal way instead of verbally taking a dump in on line forums due to his head/anus blockage his tempereament should improve drastically.
By the way, mohini, are you related to the other Hini that claimed his kid had floated away in that spaceship? You both do so well with children.
Anyway, I’ll take lesshini rather than mohini any day.
Wow, I’m a “-hini” now, what happened to the “-homo” your so much more advanced intellect through out early in the game?
Maybe a whole post about me and asses, things in asses and your servicing of asses was enough of a homophobic statement in itself.
And wow, you even through kids into your twisted images.
Trust me rehab, you got nothing, but shabby chic.
Hey Not Really Surprised…I see that we’re all alone here wallowing in dirt…you certainly aren’t with us casting aspersions on people. Nooooo, I see you’re at the soup kitchen feeding orphans. Or maybe you’re tied up cleaning windows in that big glass house you livtied up in. Too bad we can’t trade jibes with you about your choice of employment but Of course we dont know what you do for a living because you dont have the balls or ovaries to post under your real name.
Oh and when you get a chance, please post those rules about how after two weeks,no one should discuss the subject any longer.
Who actually thinks shoplifting charge and an eviction make someone a “career criminal”? Like BlackTear said, we don’t know the grounds of the eviction. The shoplifting charge was in 2001 when Nut was what, 18 or 19.
It should also be pointed out that the other case doesn’t say anything about “a TON of back child support”, or an “abandoned child” or that the petitioner is her husband, or even that the case was resolved against Nut. It just says a case was filed in 2003 and was closed.
That makes about as much sense as edcbuyer saying first she was sucking money for some Hindu organization, and when Nut and the others showed where the money went and that it was legit, edc claimed that Nut was hacking her and “high profile people”.
Give it a rest already, people.
I use the word him as it is often commonly used when writing in the English language when people do not want to take time to type out both him or her. Quite frankly i DON’T GIVE A SHIT WHICH ONE YOU ARE.
I happen to know the grounds for her eviction thank you very fucking much.
Looks like nutsack has a new job
http://www.girltime.com/page1_3.asp?Performer=phaedrafatale
I do need to correct one thing I told goodkarma-that one court case in family court was not because she owed back child support but it was a petition to establish paternity filed on behalf of the father of the child so that he could start the filing for child support process against her.
The eviction noitce was she was evicted from a local Co-op house for failure to pay rent–which is also rather funny because the whole point of living in a co-op is that rent is very cheap, pretty much you are paying to cover property taxes and utilities.
PD
And here is where she and her present day worthless scrub of a husband were evicted and their belongings sold
http://new.madison.com/legal-notice/1290
Nothing but a bunch of grubby free loading beggers IMHO who prey on people and live off the kindness of stangers. A lot of the people on Etsy don’t have a lot themselves and it pisses me off to no end that these leeches were willing to take full advantage out of what they could get out of them.
So Neil Kresl contacted PD to find information on NM’s location to track her down for “a TON of back child support”.
Y’all should really use more than Google for your net detective work, because on NM and Neil Kresl’s Facebooks you can see them talking to each other about films and universities and the countries she’s in.
That would suggest that 1. Neil Kresl already knows her location and doesn’t need PD’s “information” to find out, and 2. Usually if someone owes you a TON of money and you’re hunting them down for it, you don’t have arts n culture hour with them on Facebook so 3. that circuit court record was almost certainly not like anything PD said.
That makes PD’s new development show nothing more than her mind is full of Jerry Springer episodes which is about her speed.
Wouldn’t be shocked if NM, Neil Kesl and ja, some other people who have been here, made up the whole story to bait PD and show that she’s cracked and gullable.
Oh and for the new links, Maybe PD is too geeked out to see that that link is actually about a storage space, It says so. It has nothing to do with an eviction. Storage spaces post those if you leave things behind or stop paying them. Oh and that “new” job, well that says it was from 2003 and also says she is male. Guess she’s really a man. Why the hell does PD care if someone was evicted from an apartment anyway? Oh and it’s pretty funny to call someone a career criminal about an eviction and a charge which says on the court record “this is is non criminal offense which has only a fine”.
If you use more websites for your research you can also find pretty easily where NM lived and when, from stage resumes and her teaching resume, shows that she never lived in Portland when edcbuyer said, and deffinately not with some Swaminarayan because that picture is of Swami Prabhubada from ISCKON.
Or guess PD is showing that she’ll grasp at anything to keep this going, because she is in the words of her fans
“batshit insane obsessed, It’s like watching a furry flip out over Encyclopedia Dramatica.”
“has some serious emotional issues. I think that whatever she gained from the forums (the attention, the drama, the purchases) all get dumped the big lonely hole she has inside her. I feel sorry for her more than anything.”
http://etsycallout.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/pussdaddy-permanently-banned-from-forums/
Real Noble.
Ok for one thing I already said that it wasn’t for a ton of back child support, it was a petition to file for paternity so that the child support process could be started. Also I never said they were evicted from a house. What do YOU call having your stuff tossed out on the street and sold at auction for failure to pay rent, because my Dad owns storage units and that is what we call it-eviction for failure to pay rent. Maybe you are too geeked out to read what is said in your hurry to prove me wrong. It’s not like I have never been wrong before anyway.
As far as who is emailing me, it doesn’t matter to me. Because what they send doesn’t do a whole world of good to futher nutsack’s starving kid charity, and only goes to show they are broke vagabonds desperate for money and more likely to have started the charity to benefit themselves in the first damn place. If they are trying to fool me or whatever maybe they should send some links that are flattering to them for a change.
Do you really believe that I am important enough that many Etsians would sign on as Aunties of this shit, ruining their credibility and threatening their own reputations as sellers, that they would start a team charity on Etsy in the team section, paypal accounts to donate would be set up all over, nutmeg would open a shop full of fake vintage crap and mass produced shit, then people would buy it, not get it, have to file disputes, neg her, and nutmeg would be forced to close her shop, and in the meantime Etsy admin would have to close all of the nutsack threads asking for donations, and all of this was done for my benefit? Who’s on crack? Because that is what matters, the rest is just background noise anyway.
As far as my being muted, you don’t have much sense, because I have a blog post on my own damn blog announcing it, and everyone on the planet knows it. Although Etsy did reactivate my old PussDaddy account a few days ago. I am still muted though, but maybe that is your problem-you read where Rokalli said the muted would be unmuted. Muted or unmuted doesn’t make a damn bit of difference to me either.
Also, it literally took me over an hour to post this one blog post here, so I will not be coming back to this thread as I can post a hundred times faster on my own blog. Thanks.
There were two eviciton notices discussed here-one where nutball was tossed out of a co-op for failure to pay rent, and the one pertaining to nutball and her present day scrub of a husband.
Also I just talked to him again. It isn’t that he does not talk to her ever,-he has no physical address for her and she doesn’t stay in once place long enough to file papers on her or anything. They have mutual friends, they are both from the same city, and sometimes she shows up on their facebooks and his too, and he keeps it civil because he has reasons to do so. He is also friends now with the last guy she left him for, and talks to him on his facebook, and sometimes she shows up dropping a comment. He usually ignores her but occassionally responds to her.
And he did stumble across my blog while googling her. He googles her often. I never said he needed me or my blog to find her ass or anything. I said he was looking for her and he is. He says he was simply googling to find verification that she was really in India and to find some more of her billion aliases when he found my blog Also a lot of what I told goodkarma I told her because people were pressing me to provide details as if I were lying about this, so I told her, one person so at least one person would know I wasn’t lying, and it was sort of happening all at once and I was still sorting it all out, which is why I asked her to keep it to herself until I could get all the facts as straight as I can. But she didn’t, she posted what I had told her and unfortunately I was still sorting it all out at the time, and that accounts for some of the discrepencies people are finding such conspiracies in right now. But she was just trying to defend me against all you haters so I can’t be angry for her for that.
In his words- “all I wanted to do was just tell you my story as far as I could remember it to add to what has been found out about her because I really think that having a site that documents what she has done, especially after reading how she used a child for her own financial gain, might help stop her from doing more of the same and hurting yet more people. . especially children”
There ya have it-no big conspiracies here. You can move along now.
Oh and hey PD, you showed us that other link on your blog what two months ago. Are you running out of fresh dirt for the pot or did you forget, or are you just too obsessed with NM’s hoohahs. Someone suggested before that the thread should be re named, I suggest we call it “PD fights the good fight by compulisvely searches the internet for naked pictures of Nutmegclick”
And about the rest of your drama, if you can’t get your details straight when “everything is happening all at once” it means you’re lying about everything and an asshole, isn’t that what this thread is here to prove in the first place?
I am probably not running out as fast as you will run out of too whatever the fuck names. No, it doesn’t mean I am lying because in case you didn’t notice you couldn’t even see the conversation posted right above where you posted as TooSense or understand that and it was right there in front of you. Of course you WERE lying though. Now with that I am really done here and you can feel free to contact me at my wonderful, exciting blog.
PussDaddy can be extremely economical with the truth.
Unfortunately we might have to take everything with a grain of salt in future unless her friend GoodKarmaSoaps has been telling her lies and she wrote in good faith and I apologise in advance should this be the case.
http://bluekittyminiatures.blogspot.com/2010/01/i-never-had-pussdaddy-down-as-liar.html
Despite the screen shots showing two buyer only accounts with nothing but negs resulting from the malicious purchase activity PussDaddy is still insisting there were sales made and feedback received for sales.
Casts a large shadow of doubt on anything she says that can’t be proved conclusively and her recent posts here should be read with that in mind.
http://bluekittyminiatures.blogspot.com/2010/01/i-think-pussdaddy-has-problem.html
BlueKitty, what on earth does this have to do with the subject of this blog post? Obviously you are obsessed with trying to destroy GoodKarmaSoaps. Sounds like a personal problem, which has nothing to do with Adia or Nutmeg.
Let it go.
I was considering whether there was reason to doubt the posts that PussDaddy has made.
I am relieved to be able to publicly state that as I originally believed PussDaddy is NOT a liar and is only going on what she is being told by someone who IS a liar and can be proved to be one.
I’m very sorry that PussDaddy has been placed in such an unpleasant position and I see no reason to doubt anything she has posted in this thread.
“BlueKitty, what on earth does this have to do with the subject of this blog post?”
Subject: Questioning Adia foundation/founders
Where does that subject state the name Nutmeg, granted the content of the first post is ALL about her, but the title (ie: the subject) once again I’d like to point out is completely erroneous in regards to the content of this thread, which is “obsessed with trying to destroy” a single person and “a personal problem, which has nothing to do with” the founders or foundation.
“Let it go.”
You women are so full of shit.
I think this thread is aptly titled even though it took some weird twists. When this first started on the etsy threads the people who questioned the organization were ripped to shreds.
lol-mohini it was really awful. The some of the people doing the ripping were done by “aunties”. (Not all…. some). They all vehemently defended nutmeg until evidence was presented that things weren’t always as the seem and where there is smoke there is fire. Everything is connected.
There is another example of the same thing going on with Wyclef Jean’s (Yele) charity. Questions are being raised. Hopefully it will be proven lawful and moral…….
So lol-mohini I assumed based on previous comments that you are defending an “aunty”. I am curious, is this person is still a nutmeg supporter? There seems to be a least one aunty still supporting nutmeg although I thought she was a crackpot from the get-go.
If your purpose is to defend someones honor (for lack of a better word) then I would think the best way is to leave this thread alone. This thread would have died long ago if you had stopped replying. I mean really what are you accomplishing now? We all know your opinions as you have stated them repeatedly, nothing is going to change. Every time you write you bump it up in people’s readers and whatnot just drawing even more attention to it.
You’re really not helping whoever you are trying to help…..
……………If you are doing this for entertainment then keep going………… It’s cold here and I don’t want to go outside.
***sighs***
I am getting _really_ tired.
I have stuck in this to ensure that the money collected in the one paypal account was dealt with appropriately given the situation.
The thing is dead. Nutmeg is gone. We will probably never, ever hear how Adia is doing again. Please stop trying to resurrect things.
The site will be completely archived February 1st and taken down forever.
Thanks in advance.
“This thread would have died long ago if you had stopped replying.”
You truly believe that? Its interesting you put such importance on me and the life of this thread.
“You’re really not helping whoever you are trying to help…..
……………If you are doing this for entertainment then keep going………… It’s cold here and I don’t want to go outside.”
Assuming (even though stated elsewhere in this thread) I am here “for someone”, how exactly am I hurting them, regardless if it’s helpful? I’d like to know the pain and sorrow you think I’m causing by entertaining myself on the internet with a buncha busy bodies from a craft site.
I’m causing by entertaining myself on the internet with a buncha busy bodies from a craft site.
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Like I said if you are doing this for entertainment keep going. You’re sometimes good for a laugh!
And let me be the first to welcome you to the “buncha busy bodies from a craft site” club. We have elections next month and with all the experience you have I encourage you to run!!!
“You’re sometimes good for a laugh!”
Good deal, I laugh at myself often also!
“And let me be the first to welcome you to the “buncha busy bodies from a craft site” club. We have elections next month and with all the experience you have I encourage you to run!!!”
What benefits beyond having access to personal blogs about how we can all spend our money on personally vetted and approved sellers will I have? I only have so much time in the day to devote to such frivolous, but for some fulfilling, past times. I believe there’s plenty already aching for a “job”, that doesn’t exist, like that.
We can all wonder about PD and GK’s credibility but has no one ever read the first post in this thread? Net detective BS. And didn’t EDC blow their credibility out of the water when they accused NM of hacking them and multiple others?
Let’s look. We have:
“Why, when you lived in Oregon with Nicholas and your baby, was your name not Echo Vincent”
But she lived in Chicago when she had her baby and moved to Turkey when the child was 2 or 3 months, you can see this by the child’s photo blog.
“—and when he wrote those Homestay ads through the Portland Homestay connnection, looking for a place to stay in Turkey, why did he say your name was Brittaney or Brittany”
Because she never made any secret, even posting it twice in Etsy threads, that EJV or NM was not her real name.
“(spelling two different ways on at least two different occasions)?”
Because people make typos.
“2. Why does that Homestay organization have so much fraud..”
I don’t know, why. Are you suggesting NM made up the homestay organization, and how is she responsible for it.
“Why did you stay for such a short time in Turkey ”
Probably because that’s how long the visas lasted. Or because they were there for a project, the documentary you mention next, impyling she took money for it somehow, when all you have is a call to action. Asking for people to help make a documentary. On Indymedia because people usually try to scam anti-capitalist anarchists for money. Hopefully you can get that sarcasm better than you have in the rest of this thread.
Now NM gets accused of being Canadian. A “pipl search” says so.
“you have been attributed Vancouver roots by your husband in the Homestay ads and you also have Canadian spelling in your blogs”
Next the whole “Echo J Venn” thing, which is obviously total crap which makes no sense.
Next she quotes a letter where NM’s husband joins a group which cleans up old temples in India. I have no idea what that is trying to prove.
“I’d also like to know how much of my money would actually be supporting Adia, rather than pouring into the Hindu BAP that you and Nicholas are involved in”
Where does anyone say they’re involved in any “Hindu BAP”? Seems like a picture of her baby in an ISCKON temple is supposed to prove that.
So with a first post like that, I have to wonder why any normal human being would pay any attention.
The next crazy thing is the accusations that NM set up hewr whole etsy shop, and her whole foirum presence, to “collect followers” for this “scam” she had planned. A search for her posts in the forum shows a lot of them. Usually very long posts about social issues and the arts. She also had a blog which she maintained for the shop. She also had a six month old shop hundreds of sales and no negative feedback before all of this started. It’s a lot of trouble to go to for some half baked “scam” which might show it inever was one. She would probably not have needed to write such involved posts or blogs just to get a few people to send money for this or that on top of travelling and raising a family and whatever else she had going on, that would be going to a lot of trouble when she was already selling on etsy.
She and plenty of other people explained the finances of the group anyway. You just weren’t satisfied that she didn’t come here quickly enough to respond to BS. Or was it because ” it was sort of happening all at once and I was still sorting it all out” or does that only work for PD who sure as hell isn’t up against what NM was at the time.
More than stupid forum BS, I think what was done to NM was deffinitely cruel and not even based in reality. But like BlackTear said, we’ll probably never know what ever in reality happened to Adia after NM was forced away.
At the end of the day, my favorite post here is probably when sopmeone said NM had “more nicknames than suitable for a professional artist”. Shows us what kind of people we’re dealing with on this thread. And….what, a pen name and a couple of internet screen names anyway? How many are “professional” artists allowed to have, do you have to get tokens to cash in for more?
And let’s re name this thread “Questioning People who Try to Shut Down Honest Efforts Because of BS” or maybe just “EDC PD BS”, sorry kitten you’ll have to get another name if you want to be included.
I can’t believe this.
If it was a scam it is finished. Over and done with.
Nutmeg isn’t even a member of Etsy any more. Her shop is closed and she is gone. Does anyone know where? Does anyone actually care where.
Keeping this thread going with pictures and other “evidence” found on the internet, especially when that stuff is years old and was put there long before she even arrived at Etsy is not relevant now – if it ever was.
Please, let’s stop being petty and vindictive and finish this thread once and for all.
Lexie said:
Nutmeg isn’t even a member of Etsy any more. Her shop is closed and she is gone.
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Hallelujah! No more Huzzah, gag. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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In reponse to MeToo rambled on and on and on:
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All that bs, months after the fact? Seriously, get a fucking life.
Kitten = /fail
“All that bs, months after the fact? Seriously, get a fucking life.”
You’re so simple aren’t you KKKitten? Transparently so.
Essays, astrology readings, creative writing Yeah that’s a LOT of trouble to go to, way more than anyone would go to. And “huzzah” Maybe kitten just has poor taste, see first link, not everyone thinks what you do.
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6244710&page=1
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6145038
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6244948
http://sillylittleladysspotontheweb.blogspot.com/2009/07/friday-feature-nutmegclick.html
http://purplekappa.typepad.com/purple_kappa/2009/08/nutmegclick-on-etsy.html
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6170161
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=23458143
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6198336
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6222187
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6160456
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6225874
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6193347
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6193999
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6218324&page=1
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6158145
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6143948
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6139614&page=4
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6138870
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6172603
By the way PD somewhere she posted a picture of her with her Dad, can’t believe the extremes to which some people will cast suspicion.
Plus I don’t think anything in her shop was ever seriously questioned for any valid reason except the dolls. You could just tell with the rest it was obvious. Usually if there’s a question of reselling Etsy demands those items be taken down. Guess you guys had it in for her whole shop. And why is her “Pulpindia” shop gone when it has 100% positive? Not for fake vintage because I know some of those had copyright photos and does anyone think these are modern
http://pop-india.blogspot.com/2009/04/remember-aforementioned-wonderous-p.html
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=25871683
PD do you have any new pictures for us? Because I’d rather see them than the one of you and your cat from your blog. Whatever they said about country kitch is right.
All the mohini’s, MeToo, TooIronic and whatever your Cybil personality is these days…..
…….yawn……..
Don’t want to see PD, maybe stay the fuck off her blog?? I’d rather look at PD and her sweet cats anyday than scamming Nutmeg and her dirty fingernails. All she has going for her is her daughter…. Lark’s adorable.
Wow, I just finished reading the saga. If anyone doubts that something is up with this charity then they are really crazy. I just feel really sorry for people who donated their money. All the arguing and commentary is ridiculous. This is why a lot of people don’t give to charity and it is really sad. Donate locally people, see your dollars at work. We have starving people in North America too!
KItten, please please please keep getting more ridiculous and paranoid. Yes, there’s some singular mastermind, that has it out for YOU! AND ONLY YOU!
Scary world outside. Too bad you’re not litterbox trained. Take it outside princess.
“We have starving people in North America too!”
No doubt, but sometimes people follow their hearts, not their money, and really, the only importance money has is that which you put on it yourself. This “charity” was more of a collective, of mostly honest and genuine individuals.
-Hurricane Katrina of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season was the costliest hurricane,[3][4] as well as one of the five deadliest, in the history of the United States.[5] Among recorded Atlantic hurricanes, it was the sixth strongest overall.
-As of May 19, 2006, the confirmed death toll (total of direct and indirect deaths) stood at 1,836, mainly from Louisiana (1,577) and Mississippi (238).[
-Population: U.S. 308,537,509
-Median Income: In 2007, the median annual household income rose 1.3% to $50,233.00 according to the Census Bureau.
-The 2010 Haitian earthquake was a catastrophic magnitude 7.0 Mw earthquake.
-Haitian Interior Minister, Paul Antoine Bien-Aimé, anticipated on 15 January that the disaster would eventually claim between 100,000 and 200,000 lives.
-Population: 9,035,536
-2$ a day.
My point kittern is that anyone can see from NMs blog and other places online a lot of things which make a lot of the questions raised here paranoid and stupid. Like “was she ever really in India”, yep she invented all her pictures, every one of them.
Realitycheck if you “just finished reading the saga” you’d know that to meet PDs demands all the donated money was given over to other charities in the end anyway. So why would you feel sorry for anyone?
I’d feel sorry for NM and the attacks on her, if she was really doing something decent just not in the way you wanted. I wonder how much Etsy would be responsible for allowing the thread which started this, these sort of accusations on the Etsy forums are “calling out” against their rules in the first place.
I never made any demands concerning any money. I don’t recall making any demands what so ever. All I recall doing was attemtping to expose this scamming parasite for what she is was and is.
Also I “wasn’t up against what NM was up against at the time” as MeToo put it because I don’t go around ripping people off and scamming people on the internet so why would I be up against what she is up against?.
lol-mohini Says:
KItten, please please please keep getting more ridiculous and paranoid. Yes, there’s some singular mastermind, that has it out for YOU! AND ONLY YOU!
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Not only are you an idiot, you’re fucking delusional. Quit listening to the voices in your head troll, because they’re reading another forum.
I almost feel guilty for finding you amusing because it’s obvious you’re unstable. My final advice to you, take it or leave it, increase your meds or find a new doctor.
My advice to myself, stop feeding the troll.
I agree, leave this troll over here by itself twiddliing its’ twat or yanking its’ own crank. Why do you think it keeps starting these threads and shit? Because it can’t stand being ignored. Instead come over to my blog and see some fuzzy kitties and some shabby country kitches, which were all obtained HONESTLY of course and are all bought and paid for.
Your girls “one two punch” really reeks of “flaccid dick slapping”. BTW, how’s the hubbys?
“because they’re reading another forum. ”
Huh? This is a blog thread, not a forum. Be specific what you think my “others” are reading. I’m more than happy to continue to see your failure to incite a shabby chic revolution. RED HAT BITCHES UNITE!
You have experience with chemical dependency of the prescribed nature? You’re obviously special, your the-rapist tells you so, since mommy can’t anymore huh?
Some advice in return felis silvestris catus, stay close to PD, she’ll shelter you from the real world just the way you like it.
Maybe you’ll have something to post on your blog as soon as you start trolling the craft forums for mentions of yourself and those you still “care” about. Yes, you do care about NM, alot, almost border obsessive.
Ask Dr. Feelgood for your script for that.
When the masses turn against you, they’ll throw insults as loudly as the first praises. A word to the wise.
Nutsack smegma is now greenonionrangrang
http://pussdaddyblogs.blogspot.com/2010/05/who-is-nutmegclick-now.html
Snore. Spammy, obsessive, red hat bitches. Joy.
What a great article! You bring up a lot of interesting points! Thanks for the awesome read!
There are some really good points made here.
I think this is quite funny. I can’t believe the comments have dragged on for this long. I’m very impressed. I hope you resolved your problems and differences.
Give PD a gun. Don’t worry, it only has one bullet. PD has to choose between shooting a starving kid or a hippie. She tries to make 100 screen names, but she still only gets one bullet. She can’t decide. Hippie or starving kid. They are both so fun to kill. She turns the gun on herself.
No, PD aims the gun at the kid. She knows NM will step in front of her to protect. Then, she kills two birds with one stone.
there are wooden toys that uses artificial wood which lasts longer compared to organic wood ;::
Wow ! I have read this whole thing for three days now , three day’s that i will never get back from my life !! I have seen a young woman and her adorable little girl being pulled every which way . I feel sick and disgusted by what i have seen here , the sheer ferocity of a pack of rabid dogs , you crucified her in public , dug out every skeleton from her closet , you disgust me all of you !
I personally do not believe that Nutmeg has done wrong in her care for a sick child , and i have read and re read this whole thing !
Nutmeg , you don’t know me , but i know of you , and i am so sorry for what you had to endure here …