Here is an update on shops that have been called out. One person owns all these shops under different names. They also changed the names after being called out here. Here is the update.
http://www.etsy.com/shop/FakeGaugeOrganics?ref=seller_info_count
this shop has been called our here a number of times. They tried to shake it by changing their name to fakeguageorganics
The same owner had this shop removed, he was selling junk from China. He now is coming back selling the same earrings.
http://www.etsy.com/shop/blingGo?ref=search_shop_redirect
He has made his photos to look like other peoples photos. Blinggo was removed for a short time for violations.
This shop now has come back. It was organicdreams before, same owner
http://www.etsy.com/shop/TribalOrganics?ref=search_shop_redirect
Now look at Thaisaket, the same people with a different story. Look at their early
feedbacks, this was an earring seller.
http://www.etsy.com/shop/thaisaket/sold?page=72
http://www.etsy.com/shop/thaisaket/sold?page=71
this shop has been a reseller from the first day. He got smarter, went after other clothing sites by copying their styles and photos, all of which he buys in the local market.
He is not running a 50% sale and shipping DHL. Does that sound like a reseller?
Here is another site run by these people.
http://www.etsy.com/shop/AnyonesFashion?ref=shop_sugg
Once again, goods you can buy on Ebay, websites, or just about anywhere. They are claiming they make these goods. They have 5 sites I am showing you, probably more, all with different names, ATM cards, that is how people expand. They are selling $365,000 a year or more, not to mention they screw up the market for honest people making stuff.
They should be gone yesterday.
Etsy doesnt really care..Etsy is making lots of money from these people..I think Etsy may eventually just be another EBay.. Money, its all about money !
If one blogger (or maybe even a couple of bloggers working together) can find out that the re-sellers are just making new shops to cover their tracks, their is virtually NO EXCUSE for Etsy staff not to be able to do the same, especially because they employ people who know about IT. It’s not like they’re a bunch of crocheting grannies sitting around getting bamboozled by sly sweatshop-using re-sellers. It’s clear to me that they do not CARE about re-sellers, so long as they can get money for every one of the numerous listings they put up (it’s easy to put up a whole bunch of listed items if you’re not making them yourself). I’d love to track mathematically how long it takes the average re-seller to be removed, or what percentage of the proven re-sellers get in trouble at all. That experiment would probably be pretty depressing.
I am so tired of working hard to make my own things, only to have to compete with people who simply purchase, lie, box, ship, and make lots of money.
The volume of goods a business needs to qualify for the big DHL discounts is intense.
The cost to wholesale a pair of pants from Asia is about $4. I am sure that sellers in Thailand and the like are laughing daily at the stupid western buyers who pay over $20 for a pair of crappy cotton fisherman pants. Etsy just drinks their coolaid and goes along with the “proof” that is emailed to them of the poor collective workers.
Ebay is bad enough buy Etsy is way worse. Ebay is sadly not what it used to be due to some really sucky management decisions but at least they are not pretending to be a handmade marketplace. This kind of stuff really sucks. I feel bad for people who make jewelry. There are some very talented jewelry makers on Etsy but you have go through pages and pages of chinese reseller crap to find their stuff. I The thing that gets the least views in my shop is a pair of cupcake earrings.
fakegaugeorganics is or was an etsy employee, that’s why
Hello, I was kind of surprised to find this blog by just googling thaisaket. The store is mentioned above as being a re-seller. The truth is I order the “made in Thailand” cloths and what I GOT was the pants with a label inside saying “made in India”. So I was lied to. They were not homemade on Thailand. Also, when I talked to Mark the owner of Thaisaket on ETSY he pretty much bullied me until I left him alone. I got most offended when he started saying I was acting like a “Jew” (as I guess he must not like Jews). The part that hurt me is that I am 1/4 Jewish. I reported him and can’t see myself doing business with ETSY at all ever again!
Thanks!
Robert
Reseller – http://www.etsy.com/shop/Athemi
Thank you for sharing your experience, EtsyBuyerRobertSr. What a disgusting experience, and I’m sorry you had to go through it. Did you report these incidents to Etsy? You can email support@etsy.com and tell them everything that happened. If that guy communicated via convo, keep the convos if you still have them.
Also, Etsy is just the venue; not everybody on there is an obnoxious crook. Some are one or the other but usually most of us are decent folk.
Cheap people buy and sell cheap shit. And there are a lot of below average, stupid, and dishonest people in the world. “Never give a sucker an easy break.” Those shops are welcome to their shitty customers.
sorry for the typos. My english seems not so good today.
http://www.etsy.com/listing/97964030/vivienne-westwood-jelly-shoes
Not handmade. Neither are the harajuku shoes.
Importer? Collective? http://www.etsy.com/shop/hammerandhandimports?ref=pr_shop_more
wtf? Because Etsy let that mess of BaliGate exist means we are now getting this BS:
320 sales
“Previous to owning Hammer & Hand, owner, Chris, worked as a general manager for a retailer that imported furniture from Bali, India and Thailand. During this time, he developed a strong relationship with a production manager and finishing crew in Jodhpur, India. The production manager we’ve hired oversees the restoration of the antique pieces that we select and constructs the re-purposed pieces that we design. ”
THEY MAKE NOTHING THEMSELVES. THEY ARE “DESIGNERS”
I’m going to outsource all my production to Guangdong immediately and this is my ticket to do so.
twenty minutes of googling.
Owner of Hammer and Hand is Christopher Plaisted. Partner wife Amy Toolen.
Deleted but available through Google cache of H&H old wordpress site shows that Chris worked for 8 years at Washburn Imports in Florida http://www.washburnimports.com and in the last few years did most of the buying. Then I’m going to guess, they got married and moved to St.Louis where Chris used his old contacts to buy wholesale container lots from India, Thailand and China.
They’ve deleted their blog, and all old content from their website. Hiding something?
Here’s a similar shop – “handmade in Pakistan” however the shop is in New York. http://www.etsy.com/shop/ajaradecor?ref=seller_info
I’m on a roll today – more “handmade by me” furniture – sold by ThePolishedPear in Florida as well as WoodCreek Furniture in Michigan. Same exact photo. The Polished Pear also violates Etsy’s TOU by linking to their own website to buy same furniture http://thepaintedmarket.com/category_1/Shabby-Chic-Furniture.htm
oops – here’s the etsy shop item http://www.etsy.com/listing/102297141/free-shipping-reclaimed-wood-console and Wood Creek item http://www.woodlandcreekfurniture.com/publishsite/index.cfm?pagename=mainpage_template&client_id=woodlandcreek&tablename=news&link_id=7354981&linkname=Reclaimed%20Furniture
correct link http://www.woodlandcreekfurniture.com/publishsite/index.cfm?pagename=mainpage_template&client_id=woodlandcreek&tablename=news&link_id=22323935&linkname=Reclaimed%20Furniture&sublinkname=Reclaimed%20Furniture
CottonBagCompany, The Cotton Bag Guy:
http://www.etsy.com/people/CottonBagCompany
sells finished items by this company, as you can see by clicking the “ON-LINE RETAILERS” link to his shop:
http://statelinebag.com/where-to-buy
Cotton Bag Guy is Etsy legal….he’s selling the bags as supplies, and that’s what they are. He’s fine.
Look at their website and see their factory:
http://www.etsy.com/shop/CoCoCoHome?ref=seller_info_count#
Wow. Many, many people have been taken here:
http://www.etsy.com/shop/xiaolizi?ref=seller_info
Unbelievable, CobblerGobbler that an assembly-line furniture co is USING Etsy http://www.etsy.com/shop/CoCoCoHome?ref=seller_info_count#
Ain’t it?
http://www.etsy.com/shop/ThompsonBeads
do these before prices look a little suspicious to anybody ese ? and look at all that negative feedback
I looked at the original prices of the recently sold vintage items (shown in red) and they are unreal.
http://www.etsy.com/shop/pretaporterr
There is this hat:
http://www.etsy.com/listing/107382348/womens-cooperative-colorful-handmade
http://www.etsy.com/listing/106885895/peruvian-alpaca-crazy-beanie-hat-chullo?ref=sr_gallery_9&ga_search_query=chullo&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_ship_to=ZZ&ga_min=0&ga_max=0&ga_search_type=all
What an amazingly diverse artist!
http://www.etsy.com/shop/peruvianplace?ref=seller_info
The COCOCO shop is gone! Good!
Glad to say BYE BYE to COCO. Here’s CottageintheOaks What about these tags – NOT French, Vintage, from Anthropologie or Pottery Barn. I wonder if it’s even handmade. (She calls it “precious” in her description – funny). http://www.etsy.com/listing/90412625/vintage-mini-tabletop-french-cafe
shantytown
September 3, 2012 at 6:31 am #
Cotton Bag Guy is Etsy legal….he’s selling the bags as supplies, and that’s what they are. He’s fine.
His bags are no different than selling blank tshirts or commercial chains. They can be used as they are, so they don’t qualify as a supply.
Abe, I flagged the cotton bag guy too. Not supplies.
Since when does a mass produced pashmina scarf qualify as a bridal “supply”, and it’s on the front page!
wedding in saffron: http://www.etsy.com/treasury/ODA3MzI0NHwyNzIwNzAwMjI1/wedding-in-saffron
The supplies category can be a shelter for non-handmade — reseller — items. That pashmina was on the Etsy front page two days in a row!
LDW, don’t those prices blow your mind? I don’t think anything in that shop would have fetched what she’s asking even in the heyday; don’t think she’s sold anything that wasn’t ‘on sale’, either.
massproducedy:
Glad I’m not the only one who sees it, thanks. Its no different than the pashmina scarves either, I am sure someone could use pashminas as a supply and enbrodier or dye those too but they are finished goods for sale and not allowed.
Vintage?? Looks a little “Hobby Lobby”: Featured in Etsy’s Home & Garden: http://www.etsy.com/listing/108487870/vintage-wooden-shelf?ref=mh_link&mh_hub=home&mh_eid=2485269159&mh_section=clusters&mh_cid=cottage-chic
Could be 1980s. The faux victorian trim on the shelves could be 80s.
what are y’all’s takes on all the Eastern European sellers on Etsy? I don’t mean to stereotype, and I know many of them are legit, but it seems like a lot of Eastern and Central Europeans on treasury teams, etc., and I just want to make sure they’re all really making things themselves.
Like the scarf people and the jewelry people and the felting people. Is it just a crafty area of the world or what?
I think there are many, many resellers coming from eastern Europe. Turkish towels, pashminas, knitted and crocheted items, etc.
I am sure a few of them are legit, but for the most part, they are factories. Etsy knows this, but they also know that it is hard for legitimate sellers to prove that it isn’t a “collective.”
Etsy’s unofficial definition of a “collective” is any factory that is far far away that claims to be a “collective.”
well I’m on a Treasury team with many of them, and I just can’t tell. Many of them seem legit, others not so much, not sure how to post the question to them really. If they are really collectives or resellers I need to leave the team, but how to do so?
Something seems kind of not-handmade about this shop, but I just can’t put my finger on it:
http://www.etsy.com/shop/ElegantElementsIndia?ref=seller_info#
Re: ElegantElements—
Is that the royal WE? If not, then the people who are part of the “collective” should be given credit. that is what stinks– it’s SSDD on the bullshit collective verbiage.
Yeah, I think it’s “we” as in “the factory”. I’d be surprised if a collective was (were?) cranking these out.
Quote:
Etsy’s unofficial definition of a “collective” is any factory that is far far away that claims to be a “collective.”
Agreed.
You can hit Etsy over the head with proof from links that a shop is a factory and they ignore it. They know that we can’t prove that they aren’t a collective.
Etsy forgets on a daily basis that legitimate sellers are the people who made them what they are. As a shop owner, and therefore a customer of theirs, I can say that Etsy treats their customers with absolute contempt. They will never correct this.
As of right now, they have enough mass produced junk sellers that the legitimate “handmade” sellers wouldn’t even be missed by Etsy Admin if we all left. Legitimate sellers would be missed by the customers who truly want handmade items, but not by Etsy. They make so much money right now that we are no longer needed and they don’t give a flying hoot about “handmade.” I believe they actually get a kick out of people who flag things and write letters to support. We are their entertainment and they are laughing all the way to the bank.
I think you have a valid point. What has happened and is happening it that if you report anybody for anything or complain about anything, they knock you off Etsy. They really don’t want anybody to rock the boat, and people on Etsy selling tend to sell anything they want and as much of it as they want after they feel safe. There are a lot of US sellers claiming to make things that could only be produced in cheap countries, or products that would take a factory of cheap labor. For whatever reason that we don’t like Ebay, it is still a real venue to buy just about anything. I think part of the problem is also what is handmade. Most Chinese factories are handmaking items, often quicker, cheaper and better than craftsmen or artists in the USA can do it. Most artists are really following the trails of people working in factories doing the exact same things. A beaded necklace in China with a nice stone pendant is only about $3 in bulk. It is true you can buy these, change them around a little, then say you did it. I think a lot of borderline sellers hide under this idea. If you let etsy go untouched, they will screw themselves in the long run anyway. There is history already of this kind of situation. Etsy used the original idea to get far into the market, and now is manipulating their situation. I think The way Etsy works is criminal, and allowing people to sell a lot of cheap junk for a lot of money saying they made it is also criminal. Etsy needs things like class action suits against people that have been hurt. They need to be reported to the BBB (Better Business Bureau). Some of your callouts need to be directed to major net publications so Etsy can lose face over what they do. Seeing them here is not enough. It just lays the groundwork for punishing people that get caught. Don’t forget, people that get caught and removed are guilty and Etsy is equally guilty. Hold them responsible in no uncertain terms. All the puffing, jaded promotions, and outside help from lawyers hired to keep you down cannot endure in the long run. Don’t allow them to shrug off their actions. It don’t take a Etsy police to find resellers. I will bet I could find a monkey working in a chair that could “gong” many of these people off Etsy. Gong, gong, gong, gong and finally, you Etsy, GONG!!!!!!!!!!!
Because basically, the people working to police etsy are nothing but “empty chairs”, NO?
Jazz candles are now on Etsy. http://www.etsy.com/shop/JazzCandles They have this huge site, are a wholesale company, sell to retail outlets nationwide and even do fundraisers! http://www.jazzcandles.com/ They do say their candles are hand “poured” – – on an assembly line in a factory, no doubt.
Jazz Candles seems to be gone from Etsy already. That was quick!
Hey admin, are you still here? Any new posts on the horizon?
Hey lookee heah! You can sell candy on Etsy! Not handmade candy, store-boughten – hyuk!
Please, is it Etsy-legal just because they tell us we should buy it as an “add on” when we buy her mix?
gimmeafuckingbreak
um, here;s the link
http://www.etsy.com/listing/96315423/add-on-peanut-butter-chips?ref=v1_other_1
The ‘add on’ listings show what the seller will add to her cookie mix for an extra charge. She is not selling bags of baking chips. She does make medical claims in her listings, though. That shop is Regretsy worthy, I think.
That shop was on Regretsy, just recently too.
http://www.etsy.com/shop/MarrakeshTreasures?ref=seller_info_count
Do you think she’s making these? Or importing them?
Elegant Elements is gone. Good.
MarrakeshTreasures does not claim to make any ot their items. Everything in the shop is ‘vintage’.
Here is their website:
http://themoroccanroom.com/index.asp?loc=about
Here is this shop.
http://www.etsy.com/shop/granfyliu
Here is Granfyliu’s website.
http://www.puredollhouse.cn/
Here they are on TradeKey
http://www.tradekey.com/company/Iland-TradingShanghai-Co-Ltd-6642366.html
It appears from the company description that Iland does not manufacture this stuff, they buy it and sell it wholesale. They are distributers. Also on Ebay. Not handmade by the Etsy seller!
LDW, Etsy has all this info, even the Tradekey page. They have had it for months. If you download the small sample of their catalog from the Tradekey page, you will see some of the furniture that they sell on Etsy. A three piece set of Living room furniture that they are able to provide at 500 pieces a month. One person making 1500 pieces a month. And this is just one set.
Here is their webstore in English:
http://puredollhouse.com/englishsite/index.php?route=product/category&path=18
I am not surprised that Etsy does nothing even with the TradeKey info. Handmade in a factory setting is okay as Etsy handmade. Sadly. I am looking into the other businesses that Iland Trading does. Looks like they also sell parts for human furniture.
Just wanted to verify that the Iland logo in this Ebay store was the same as the one selling doll furniture. It is.
http://stores.ebay.com/ILAND-store
Marrakesh is gone. Good.
I’ve been selling on Etsy for a year. I had no idea this was going on. The light bulb just went on…. How can someone can sell a pair of “handmade” patchwork pants for $19 when it takes me 6-10 hours to make a pair of mine. Very sad indeed for those of us who have been so trusting in the Etsy idea………
This sofa is one of Granfyliu’s featured items. It is listed here as a three piece set. Notice that they can make up to 500 pieces a month. Granfyliu is one busy guy!
http://www.tradekey.com/product_view/id/3567496.htm
Is this site still being updated? It’s been a long time since the last post – I’d hate to see it die.
Handmade bras?? http://www.etsy.com/shop/MariannaGiordana
BTW, what happened to my previous post about the “vintage” mercury glass votives featured in this week’s Etsy blog??
I don’t know enough about lingerie to decide if they are handmade or not. They look like they could be. If you don’t think they are, just start searching alibaba and other places. If they are mass produced in a factory you will find them easily enough.
After you have found a site selling them by the thousands, flag them and send the links to Etsy. From there, you will be ignored and slapped in the face and the products will remain on Etsy for months, and possibly even years.
I went looking for the fauxtique mecury glass, and found it in the blog. None of these products are vintage, and the seller has sold a bunch of different new mercury glass decor items as vintage. I try to avoid clicking on the Etsy blog because no one fact checks their articles involving vintage. It’s common knowledge that no one vets Etsy features for rules violations about vintage or resellers or anything else. If it looks cute and sounds cool, its blogged.
Etsy is a wonderful company. Gutless fools and spineless bigots run the company. They even have a bunch of Nazis selling stuff. Nice companies. I challenge you at etsy to get it right even 20%. If money is your only God, why wait to burn? End it now, jump out a window?
Repetition or good ol’ favoritism on the FP? Granny baby blankey in the picnic basket caught my eye this morning. It’s on the FP again tonight as it has been 4 times in less than a week. Over 16 million items to choose from and admin doesn’t see this?
http://www.craftcult.com/vault_list.php?list=32814&u=&fm=2&esn=allthingsgranny&m=10&d=1&st=2&p=1&ls=0
Allthingsgranny is on a number of teams, makes treasuries like crazy and has high-quality items and photography, so she’s featured in a lot of treasuries. She does the work.
EV, I agree. ATG does all her own work. I’d much rather see some of her things on the FP than a reseller.
With that said, I rarely look at the FP. They all look the same to me. Boring. Etsy only uses bland colors. Why would that catch anyone’s eye? White, white, more white, off white, more white and cream. Occasionally they go really crazy and try to shake things up a bit by adding some beige.
I am hoping the person this site belongs to is alright. This is very strange that they haven’t updated for so long.
Featured in Etsy Weddings today http://www.etsy.com/shop/SillyShiny?ref=seller_info# Does this jewelry look to be made by hand?
Fine jewelry is handmade by skilled artisans. SillyShiny isn’t alloy charms on chains. Even mass produced handmade is pretty much allowed on Etsy.
Here is another example of the reseller, Granfyliu. This item has been on their site since they opened in April. Just google Bespaq Bentwood Chaise. You will come up with several sites with this exact item. This is not a vintage item. It is not altered. It is made by bespaq, not Granfyliu, and I don’t care how many “pictures” they send etsy trying to prove otherwise. As was pointed out earlier, in the Tradekey profile page, they are the largest collectors of dollhouses in China. This just proves it.
http://www.etsy.com/listing/97741119/112-tiny-lounge-chair-wild-cherry-wood
That’s right, massproducedy. Iland, the company that owns puredollhouse, is a distributor not a manufacturer of doll furniture. So the real maker of the doll furniture is unknown to us. It is not iLand, not PureDollHouse, not granfyliu.
Just Beautiful Things (Rian Rae) does it again…
Etsy
http://www.etsy.com/listing/111203493/our-nest-hand-painted-stenciled-cottage
Iron Accents:
http://www.ironaccents.com/52-19068.html?utm_source=googlepepla&utm_medium=adwords&id=19051099450&utm_content=pla&gclid=CK7SoeP_6rICFaaDQgodAnsAYQ
The photo boxes come from here:
http://sugarboodesigns.squarespace.com/
Maybe the signs, too.
The shower curtains are all commercial products.
Reseller.
I think ECO has given up on this blog.
Well, if it doesn’t get completely closed down, should we keep posting our call outs here in the comments thread?
Aw, it’s been a couple months, hasn’t it? Come back ECO!
I am willing to take over moderation or start a similar site if people are willing to go there?
I have time to do this and have an interest???????
I posted a comment with link for the shower curtains showing they are not handmade by the reseller but it still awaiting moderation after 3 days….
The link to Etsy shop justbeautifulthings now goes to a 3-armed sweater page saying the link is temporarily down. This means Etsy got the reports sent about the shop.
comments without links seem to get through, or at the most, one link. I think the blog is abandoned but if anyone cares to start another one, post the link to it here.
I find it a little hard to believe that after 3 1/2 years of running this blog that ECO would just abandon it. I hope all is well and that the person(s) to whom this blog belongs are back soon.
Yes, if someone wants to start a new call out blog just in case this one really is finished, please send the link. I will not quit checking this one though until it completely disappears of the net.
You know, I am not sure I am ready to trust an new blogger. ECO had a lot of integrity, kept info confidential, didn’t get caught up in troll bullshit. ECO, if you are reading, you are missed.
Lacy, I agree. I would be hesitant to post on a new one right away. I would want to read it for quite some time before posting. That is why I said I will not give up on this one until it has completely disappeared.
Greetings, I hope the moderator returns soon also. I wrote him a personal email to see if he was OK or not, no answer. People do come and go in life. As far as starting one of these sites, if people are not ready to jump in and support it, I don’t need another part time hobby that is struggling to survive. Its important to keep etsy on its toes, but in reality, there are reasons for these sites to turn the way they have turned. Its like politics. Just for something to do, I went to You Tube and looked back at politics from the 60s. The rich in fact ran off a lot of people they didn’t want to be heard. Like this link for example.
People had the same concerns years ago and voiced them until they were silenced or just got tired and gave up.
This one is what I thought for years:
Systems like Etsy have loopholes favoring their ability to make money. There are no accidents. The way Etsy operates is carefully thought out. A conspiracy. When you see people selling that don’t belong there and getting away with it, that is the illness, not the symptoms. If you back off an don’t support your beliefs, then you have to take this!
This is a good site, and it will be hard to replace it or the moderator. Remember, these sites like Etsy are not done developing more rules in their own interests. Every year they slide new issues into their regiment. Take for example allowing people to list the same item multiple times. What do you think that was for? Not for artists. I saw some people in Asia sell the same black dress 13 times in one day. Who do you think made them? See, Etsy is working for people that are resellers hiding in the system. Many of them are selling $500 to $1000 a day and beyond. So….
why should they have to change anything when they have cash cows like that? It is in their best interest to find ways to hide these kinds of things. If you think I could not handle a site in your interest, supporting you and your interest, thats OK. It is a thankless job to run these kinds of sites, and for all practical purposes, big outfits like Etsy hope you get tired and go away so they will have a free reign in the market to manipulate all the factors they need to, for making money.
Granfyliu again.
http://www.etsy.com/listing/107396018/dollhouse-miniature-furniture-victorian
Look at all of the pictures to the right, and then Google Hansson wing back chair. They are all over Ebay.
Six months and counting now since this BLATANT RESELLER has been allowed to remain on Etsy listing their items as “handmade.”
Seems lately that wrapping shit in wire is giving way to rolling shit in glitter.
Watch out Etsy FP “Glitter Stars”
your days are numbered.
HA!
Everything here is factory made and boy are they raking in the sales!
http://www.etsy.com/shop/jeneelovee
Here is where you can buy it wholesale, exact same items too.
http://www.bijouxusa.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=20015
bijouxusa buys it from Chinese factories wholesale. They are a US distributor for stuff they import. I haven’t updated my list for a while but am guessing their are about 200 shops reselling Chinese factory jewelry on Etsy right now. Last count was over 140.
http://www.etsy.com/shop/JuliesJewelryStore
What a nice homey name for a Chinese mass-produced trinket factory.
Off topic..BUT- I wonder how much Etsy has made off the idiots who are relisting in hopes of becoming relevant in the new browse search? What ever genius at Etsy came up with this money maker needs a slap on the back ……………………………..or across the face! Too funny to watch the “anti-establishment ” sellers try so damn hard to run over each other. WJW
Collective? Imported furniture. I’m sure they’ve been called out before: http://www.etsy.com/shop/hammerandhandimports?ref=seller_info
And here’s yet another http://www.etsy.com/shop/SierraLivingConcepts?ref=seller_info It must be the upcoming holidays.
Yes, I know the first one has been called out before. It just plain doesn’t matter to Etsy anymore.
I hate to say this, but I have believed for a long time that Etsy wants to get rid of all the small sellers because we don’t bring in enough money for them. What they have done with the categories is proof enough for me. What the hell kind of a website for shopping buries a category search? Seriously, WTF? Clearly if you don’t sell massive amounts of goods, whether handmade or not, Etsy is not a good venue for you.
People are posting on their facebooks to boycott the browse search, but it won’t matter. If Etsy wants to get rid of us they will, one way or another.
Hammer and Hand have been called out before and I flagged them intensively before I gave up flagging because I realized I was wasting my time since they were protected by the MalibuBali unspoken ruling.
They don’t MAKE ANYTHING. They are “designers”. Maybe once. They’re really importers. The owner posted blog photos of him going on a buying trip and choosing “reclaimed wood” (eg nasty lead painted wood) to be make into furniture of his requirements, but they buy from all over the world. So he went on a buying trip to one place one time, but now they basically order containers of furniture from around the world since there are many export businesses that will send you containers of remade furniture.
However, Etsy didn’t blink when Malibu Bali did it, therefore, it is “legal”.
Etsy doesn’t want to get rid of small sellers. We are their beard, to show that the site is “handmade”. But we’re not supposed to complain about it.
After 4,209 comments, mostly negative and disbelieving, about the all “browse” no-categories feature, RW closed up the thread and told members to start posting in the ideas thread if they had any more comments.:) In other words, “Screw you!”
No big surprises there. Typical way they treat 99% of their paying customers.
Chipping away at $.20 a pop and 3.5% if somebody actually pays. “Them that’s got shall get, them that’s not shall lose.”
OK, I already have a blog about reselling, if you folks want to post there, I will monitor it.
The site went up early in the year, and is mostly a sarcasm about reselling on etsy. If you want to post there, I will make it into the same kind of site as this one.
http://resellonetsy.wordpress.com/
I will check the comments and make posts from the people posting that allows comments.
There is no advertising, it is not political, the site is just what it is. I can also offer an address to send postings to for people that don’t want to post directly. Please let me know if you are interested, I will check back here. I have actual experience in seeing the inside of factories in Asia, including China, Nepal, Thailand, and Bali.
etsy really don’t care. There is a report link on each sellers store page, i’ve reported some resellers (absolutely resellers!) about half year ago, guess what, they still there.
Is anything in this shop vintage? http://www.etsy.com/shop/TexasFarmersDaughter?ref=seller_info
XIE – Some people are being removed, I would keep going. Some people get the “Etsy Orange”, then they send photos proving they are making stuff. Some work, some don’t work. Don’t lose your voice. There are a number of resellers that did not get kicked off.
Look at tribal earrings, there are 100s of the same earrings. I can prove I made mine, but I don’t sell on etsy. Couldn’t be bothered. Don’t lose your voice.
Esty Vigilante -
http://www.etsy.com/shop/TexasFarmersDaughter?ref=seller_info
This is a clever site that is probably not making any money. He is selling at yard sale prices, rather common items. Vintage, probably not. He may have something he can defend, but its not the vintage you long for. Even going to the Salvation Army in SF
will give you a better feeling of experience. The deal here is, its a hassle to have to look
up his items to prove he is not vintage, so, he is unlikely to go away or even care.
Listed as vintage but actually vintage REPRODUCTIONS per their own description (read: mass-produced) from Coastal Trading
You are absolutely right, ResellonEtsy. Probably not worth the trouble but stuff like this comes up too often in basic searches, especially when you arrive there from Etsy’s new “Vintage” merchandising page. Doesn’t bode well for etsy either.
Granfyliu sold one of these on the 13th and has already listed another one.
http://www.etsy.com/listing/97743956/16-double-seat-upholstered-armchair-sofa
How does Granfyliu do it? He makes such beautiful “handmade” furniture so fast and they are so consistent in the way they are made! And to think he has only been on Etsy since April.
http://www.tradekey.com/product_view/id/3567496.htm
Understandably, people are overwhelmed with this shit. Etsy has laid its course, and most of us feel better when we ignore it all. The thrill is gone.
Massproducedy
This is a Chinese furniture factory in China. Easy to make this stuff if you have a factory.
They probably crank our 100s of products a month. Workers there get $100 a month or less. Skilled ones get more. Some work long hours and sleep in the factory, they are under strict control. Some of these factories are huge. He will get more money on Etsy than selling wholesale to China.
What you see is very cheap furniture, China can make junk look nice but it won’t wear good. The price is cheap, the shipping expensive, and that is the Chinese style.
ChasingRainbows
Very astute! So who are you voting for, Romney or Obama? Or not?
I would vote for Alfred E. Neuman this time.
http://www.google.com/search?q=alfred+e+neuman+for+president&hl=th&client=browser-rockmelt&hs=bWT&channel=omnibox&prmd=imvnso&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=igmBUL-FFtHQrQfB7IGQAQ&ved=0CCgQsAQ
Yes, Resell, anyone can tell it is made in a factory in a single glance. Etsy is pathetic. I wish someone would start a class action suit against them. They would lose.
Chasing Rainbows, OK, about voting. I am having some problems with watching the news about it and the TV. Romney looks like he will say anything to get votes, but people seem to keep supporting him. He has quite an ego too, maybe shameless. No doubt he could help business, but at the same time, help himself to money while directing the country. I would like to hear more about Mormonism and how that affects his belief system. Mormons had many wives before. I think he should take a group of psychological tests also since its not clear he is sane and up to date. Making a lot of money don’t make it so.
I think with Obama, what you see is what you get. Sure, he has some racist issues, who don’t. The USA is almost 50% non white now and the country is still mixing. Possibly, the USA should of had more control over who they let in. If I had to choose, it would be neither. If you twisted my arm and put a gun to my head, I would have to say Obama.
There is a lot of wasted money. Look at space travel. I think someday, mankind will find something that will not let him pass and will end him. As far as being in Iraq or leading the world, we saw what Romney did on his trips. I would not let him out of his cage in other countries. One day he will say something that is irreversible. What he said in private was the true thing about him, about the 47%. There is no need to defend that, since that may be the only truth that has come out of the man ever. A lot of countries are just using the USA for money, and the USA flaunts that around. Like Afghanistan saying the USA needs to send more weapons quicker so they can protect themselves?? Looks like we need to protect ourselves right here in the USA? People are flipping out and hurting others. This is quite selfish, and negates the fact that life is one of the most valuable miracles in the world, or is it? I would not sacrifice that for some God I cannot see. There are a lot of issues here about being president. Both candidates seem to have some good points, however neither one can really handle the job. The kind of changes that need to be made for the future will be met with a lot of resistance. I suspect, it will only come the hard way,meaning when these issues are forced. This is probably not the place to talk about politics, but it is much different than the politics of business. Etsy is formost a business. I think what happened here was they started out with an idea, then as their business evolved, the wished that they could include everybody that would make them money, not just artists that probably will not make them money. Unless you are commercial and have a staff, you are not likely to go very far. Companies in China have huge boiler rooms of workers. When Alice Beads or Alice Jewelry first got on Etsy, they posted 10,000 items in one month. After 2 weeks they already had 1600 feedbacks! They are still on Etsy, and they have had their problems over the time they have been on Etsy. They are everywhere, and they are selling from Hong Kong. To me, this says it in a nutshell what Etsy is really about. They tolerate some real artists because they need them to be able to tout that they are featuring artists, when in fact, what they are looking for is people that can crank out a lot of sales, not so different from Ebay. Thse kinds of big organizations don’t like a lot of negative publicity. For example, are there any stories of people that lost their business on Ebay jumping out windows? Nope. But you have to imagine there are sad stories that were kept quiet. Same with Etsy, they try to choke off anything that might cost them money. So, what this means, is that our small voice still has meaning, even if nobody can hear it or reacts to it. Small voices turn into movements that turn into revolutions.
There is no way to know what happened to the moderator. He does that seem like somebody that would run off without telling somebody. It would be a simple thing to just give it to somebody else to handle, like changing the keys to a car? Sometimes my rants have been quite negative and challenging. Today I am trying to just quietly and carefully say what I think, which all may be meaningless anyway. I would personally thank all of your that have put any effort into speaking out your thoughts about Etsy. In the end, it is not about just kicking people off, its about Etsy adjusting how they deal with people so that they can make money, and its all fair, like having real rules that are really being enforced. Otherwise, what is the point of it all anyway. We are deceived in many areas in our lives, why should be be deceived in our hobbies or joyful interests?
What you need is for something to happen on Etsy that attracts national attention. I am pretty sure that they know they can drag any kind of litigation out for years. They really have no inspiration to make the changes needed to be what they say they are. Its really a shame, since there should be a voice, some site to represent artists even if they are not making any money, and for the people running it, not to be afraid to make decisions that will keep the site fair for artists. But that probably would not make money, but a co-operative, shared by many people together, could probably get that job done.
This is not the place for political rants. If you have something related to Etsy with evidence, please post that.
I just want to talk resellers. Found this on page of of the Jewelry Ring category in Browse.
http://www.etsy.com/listing/96238198/lovely-cute-vintage-style-rabbit I wish they would scram!
So, riddle me this: how can it be that this South Korea-based seller accepts direct check out/gift cards?
http://www.etsy.com/shop/SuJinBiJoux
Etsysucketh, there is a simple explanation. This huge collective is from another country. US based shops and factories that are far far away have two sets of rules, silly.
http://www.etsy.com/listing/96238198/lovely-cute-vintage-style-rabbit
There is nothing handmade on this site. It is all mass produced in China. Any idiot would know that, people are not handmaking phone cases. And the ring for .99, they hope to make a couple dollars off shipping. Reeks of junk from Asia
http://www.etsy.com/shop/SuJinBiJoux
This is all production jewelry, cast, not handmade. The fact it is all CZ tells you the commercial grade that it is. There is not artist making stuff with fake stones to sell for $20.
Etsy is full of this kind of stuff, and lets the people stay on there without checking.
RESELLERS
This member claims to hand-make all bags in her own studio in Singapore while uses two Etsy’s accounts, the 1st one is located in Singapore and the second in China.
http://www.etsy.com/shop/leeloongstudio
http://www.etsy.com/shop/NewBag
Just check Alibaba.com and ebay and you’ll find thousands of these FAKE HAND-MADE bags.
Do not believe the same color, leather texture, dimension and hardware are only a coincidence????
OK, 1st thing, you have to see where the seller is.
Anne Princess Guangzhou, China
Guangzhou has a huge mall there of wholesale shops, maybe 7 floors of all kinds of wholesale. These kinds of purses are dirt cheap in China. There is no way the person made those in their little shop. There are too many different parts, materials, and styles.
My guess is that this person goes to wholesale shops and handpicks items for style or for
price. Its a risky business because the shipping on the purses will cost more than the purses cost. It is also easy to prove you made them, you only need a friend that has a shop or ask permission to take photos in a shop. For this kind of product in China, it is usually an assembly line. Each person does a different part of the process of putting the product together. It won’t be easy to remove this person either.
Now that you have outed them on this site, and they start getting flag after flag, I am sure Etsy will remove them. . . . . . never. . . . .
Massproducedy, thanks for your efforts.
You have to fight for every little bit of freedom these days. There are still a lot of struggling artists that want to get seen and rewarded. There are venues for all kinds of products. Factories show stay on sites where commercial products are allowed. Most artists do not have the advantage of directing other people to make their work, nor the time or money. On a site like etsy, all the buyers should also take responsibility for what they buy and what they say about it. Handmade should be better defined. You can cut out any site on etsy by just not buying what they sell. If nobody went to Macdonalds for one month, what would happen? People would be a lot more healthy. We need to boycott the action on this site in as many ways as we can. People only understand one thing, pain in the wallet and bad publicity.
Where is the moderater? People need feedback, verbal support, and the sense they are part of a group effort. I understand breaks, a lapse in interests in things, and what it must be like to run a blog. Perhaps we, meaning people of interest, should start another blog just in case this one is not going to be moderated. No offense intended to anyone running this blog, and we appreciate all the effort and time you have given thus far.
The Moderator has been gone since August.
As far as artists being seen, they need to move on, along with anyone else who makes handmade items. Etsy has chosen to be the site that is second to one, which is Ebay. Just make sure you spread the word through blog, mouth, and face book. If you have business cards with Etsy on them, get Etsy off of them. If you have links from your blog or face book going to Etsy, send them somewhere else. Etsy is no longer a handmade site and people need to quit promoting it like it is.
I guess the moderator is gone although one of my latest comments is marked “awaiting moderation” ?? I feel a need to post here when I want to vent even with no moderator. Maybe it will get picked up by Regretsy.
massproducedy
I agree. Every business makes its own choice. How much to lie, how much to spam, and how to present this to the customers. The day may come when you even see auctions on Etsy. You don’t really know what they are working on. Market opinion has already chastised them, with good reason. I think a artist website could work, maybe even selling on facebook. The idea that an artist much make the same items over and over to me somehow seems demeaning. I have asked myself that question. At what point is mass production art? What is with the quest of “one of a kind items”? In the end, the public must decide who you are and where you fit in. Its sad to give up something like etsy, since so many had hopes about it. Ebay also changed over the years, not always for the better.
Etsy Vigilante
I would like to moderate this site or one like it. It seems that a lot of people here want a site to be up so they can decide if they want to support it or not, but it takes a group of people to make a new site. If there are any of you out there that has an interest in doing this, I am will to help, share the responsibility, and be reasonable. We also don’t know if there was some issue with this site being up that caused the lack of attention.
We can start an actual website to make a new blog. Is there anybody that is interested in taking this on? We can also start a new artists blog, something positive and nice?
The hand bag shops, once again, shops from Singapore and China. People need to ask Etsy when US sellers will be allowed to resell. Not that most of us want to, but still, this is a pure case of discrimination. People who make their own purses who have to compete with this have grounds for a class action lawsuit. You need to get together and show that this unfair competition (different set of rules for foreign companies) is directly hurting your business. Find a lawyer. You will win.
Shops in the USA are reselling. Lots of them! Clothing, bags, jewelry, decor, everything.
Why nobody does report these shops to Etsy ?
I was meaning to report all resellers from China, Singapore, USA…
I do report US resellers. But Etsy’s MIT has no standard about what is considered reselling. I can report 4 shops in the USA for reselling the same items, with the same photos. One of them will be closed, one will put its items on sale to move them out faster (remember that Michelle said the admins want to prevent financial harm to reselling shops), and the other two just keep on selling their “handmade” products.
If you look at Google images pages for some searches of reseller products, Etsy has more images up there than Ebay and Amazon combined!
Great example of reselling (TRULY IDENTICAL work, finishing, dimensions, hardware, leather texture, color…) And if you browse and compare the 600 bags in this website, you’ll realize who is leeloongstudio’s supplier
http://www.etsy.com/listing/92433167/leather-tote-bag-shoulder-bag-handbag-in
http://www.leatherhandbags4sure.com/New_Customers_Must_Try_-_Recommend/338_Orange_High_End_Bag-11551-483.html
Enjoy
http://www.etsy.com/listing/92433257/leather-tote-bag-shoulder-bag-satchel
http://www.leatherhandbags4sure.com/Top_Designs_Every_Monday/338_Black_Green__High_End_Bag-8581-489.html
Enjoy
http://www.etsy.com/listing/106256463/leather-tote-bag-shoulder-bag-handbag-in
http://www.leatherhandbags4sure.com/Top_Designs_Every_Monday/338_Dark_Blue_High_End_Bag____-8105-489.html
New founds
http://www.etsy.com/listing/99527522/leather-briefcase-tote-bag-shoulder-bag
http://www.leatherhandbags4sure.com/_New_Styles___Every_Monday_/2390_Orange_Genuine_Nappa_Leather_Bag-12197-438.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/104745317/yellow-leather-handbag-handmade-purse
http://www.leatherhandbags4sure.com/_New_Styles___Every_Monday_/1516__Yellow_Genuine_Nappa_Leather_Bag-7815-438.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/104646747/orange-leather-handbag-handmade-purse
http://www.leatherhandbags4sure.com/_New_Styles___Every_Monday_/770_Orange_Shoulder_Bag-7340-438.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/104890851/fuchsia-pink-leather-handbag-handmade
http://www.leatherhandbags4sure.com/_New_Styles___Every_Monday_/770_Rose_Red_Shoulder_Bag-6057-438.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/110297035/leather-bag-handbag-leather-tote-leather
http://www.leatherhandbags4sure.com/_New_Styles___Every_Monday_/2389_Blue_Genuine_Grain_Cow_Leather_Bag-12200-438.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/93119386/leather-tote-bag-shoulder-bag-handbag
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Women-Real-Leather-Tote-Bag-High-Capacity-Shoulder-Bag-Removable-Strap-BR250-/170927162702?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&var=&hash=item6d7a8a4e39
This seller posted more than 1.000 items on ebay and claims “handmade”
http://www.etsy.com/listing/103811540/hand-stitched-large-leather-tote-lady
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fashion-Womens-Real-Leather-Bag-Simple-Shoulder-Bag-Handbag-Free-Shipping-BR267-/170908864790?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&var=&hash=item6d7a12fcaf
The shops get reported. Etsy doesn’t give a shit about resellers or any other violation.
Singapore : http://www.etsy.com/listing/90353094/leather-tote-bag-shoulder-bag-handbag-in
Shanghai, China : http://www.ebay.com/itm/HOT-Women-Bag-Genuine-Leather-Noble-And-Elegant-Handbag-Shoulder-Bag-Tote-BR234-/181001019608?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&var=&hash=item6fcdf61379
Lacy, Etsy does NOT allow resellers! I read it in their TOUs. Simply flag the item, or the shop in question. Etsy will take care of the problem right away by either muting you, or closing your shop the first chance they get.
I think we have to alert various folks who follow and favorite these fake handmade resellers
I think lot of people know it is mass-produced but don’t care.
I think someone needs to start a new handmade site and advertize it to the max. I think it is probably a matter of months, maybe even weeks, before someone who knows what is going on at Etsy starts another site. I am talking about someone who has connections and really has a lot of money to sink into it. Maybe even someone who used to be a big wig at Ebay, or even an old Etsy person. Etsy’s glory days as a “handmade” site for crafters and artists are over and everyone knows it. Etsy is making enough money that they don’t care. The door is wide open for another great site to come along and make Etsy’s dreams come true. They really just want to be another Ebay and could achieve those goals if only they could get rid of all these irritating “handmade” crafters and artists who keep calling them out for their lack of ethics and constant lies.
We have to keep customers and followers informed.
Now with alerts, buyers who paid a lot of money for a fake handmade item that it’s available 70% less on ebay or somewhere else will file claims against these sellers…
And Etsy will be forced to close their stores
Etsy’s new target market no longer cares if anything is handmade, or even desgined, by the shop selling it. Or if any item is truly vintage, or new factory made vintage style. Etsy’s customer base has changed a lot this year, engineered by Etsy’s marketing team.
You are right customers changed in term of Etsy expansion.
However, if a buyer realizes paying more for a cheaper mass-made Chinese product, be assured, an intense complain is to expect. And if a lot of buyers file a claim against these sellers, Etsy will freeze their accounts.
123 Texas, I don’t think the buyers will have much of a case. Sellers are allowed to charge what price they want. If, however, a customer buys a mass produced item, thinking it is handmade only to find it is a factory made item, they should run screaming to an attorney, as it would be easy enough to prove that Etsy knew they were selling factory made items as “handmade.” I am telling you, Etsy needs to change things. Either don’t allow mass-produced factory made items, or allow it for everyone and label them as such. They are walking a slippery-slope legally. A lawsuit waiting to happen.
Etsy is the only site where these factory made items (like the bags in the links provided by 123texas123 — great research!) are listed with claims of being handmade by the shopowner. The word needs to get out there that Etsy allows sellers to create deceptive listings about who designed and made a lot of the items for sale. Likewise, it needs to be known that Etsy’s deceptive sellers are marking up cheaper mass made goods by 300 to 500 percent, or more. The same stuff you can buy on Ebay for nearly a wholesale price.
It’s clear http://www.leatherhandbags4sure.com is one of main suppliers of several Etsy resellers like Alibaba as well
leeloongstudio (Singapore): http://www.etsy.com/listing/111554620/handmade-leather-tote-bag-shoulder-bag
MILANDESIGNING (China): http://www.etsy.com/listing/110310911/handmade-leather-messenger-leather
leeloongstudio (Singapore) : http://www.etsy.com/listing/111554361/handmade-large-leather-tote-bag-should
sunmarkstudio (China) : http://www.etsy.com/listing/111303362/hand-stitched-leather-tote-bag-lady-bag
Sunmarkstudio on Etsy: http://www.etsy.com/listing/109603833/handmade-large-leather-tote-bag-lady-bag
Guangzhou Gionar Leather Products Co., Limited on Alibaba: http://gionar.en.alibaba.com/product/562591065-212715317/Handmade_women_genuine_leather_handbags_bag.html
leeloongstudio on Etsy: http://www.etsy.com/listing/109163536/leather-tote-bag-shopper-bag-handbag-in
Guangzhou Lotus Brand Bags Co., Ltd. on Alibaba: http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/643248339/2012_Fashion_Nappa_Genuine_Leather_Bags.html
leeloongstudio on Etsy: http://www.etsy.com/listing/112642577/leather-satchel-handbag-tote-bag-in-blue
Guangzhou Lotus Brand Bags Co., Ltd. on Alibaba:: http://hepaibag.en.alibaba.com/product/642148819-214301996/2012_New_Women_Genuine_Leather_Handbag_Tote.html
MILANDESIGNING on Etsy : http://www.etsy.com/listing/111544942/smiling-face-bagleather-tote-shopping
Badi Indusry Co.Ltd. Guangdong on Alibaba: http://badi.en.alibaba.com/product/612453549-210199836/bag_leather_wholesale.html
leeloongstudio on Etsy: http://www.etsy.com/listing/102553779/leather-tote-bag-shoulder-bag-handbag
Ou Ming Leather Compant Ltd. Goungzhou on Alibaba: http://gzoming.en.alibaba.com/product/631398605-213490196/2013_new_trend_fashionable_PU_brand_handbag.html
leeloongstudio on Etsy: http://www.etsy.com/listing/93119266/leather-tote-bag-shoulder-bag-handbag-in
Badi Indusry Co.Ltd. Guangdong on Alibaba: http://badi.en.alibaba.com/product/642999543-213324752/2013_The_classic_china_wholesale_handbags_shoes.html
Sunmarkstudio on Etsy: http://www.etsy.com/listing/109604237/hand-stitched-leather-tote-bag-lady-bag
Ou Ming Leather Compant Ltd. Goungzhou on Alibaba: http://gzoming.en.alibaba.com/product/493876023-213490191/smooth_leather_bags.html
leeloongstudio on Etsy: http://www.etsy.com/listing/90354084/hand-stitched-leather-tote-bag-shoulder
Guangzhou City Baiyun District Tangren Leather Factory on Alibaba:
http://tren1988.en.alibaba.com/product/567279377-212841041/Elegant_Lady_Print_genuine_leather_bag.html
NewBag on Etsy: http://www.etsy.com/listing/108987126/vintage-leather-tote-camera-bag-doctor
Badi Indusry Co.Ltd. Guangdong on Alibaba: http://badi.en.alibaba.com/product/568473415-200184311/2012_newest_leather_bag.html
leeloongstudio on Etsy: http://www.etsy.com/listing/95625996/new-deisgn-leather-tote-bag-shoulder-bag
Badi Indusry Co.Ltd. Guangdong on Alibaba:
http://badi.en.alibaba.com/product/556822827-200184311/bags_italians.html
leeloongstudio on Etsy: http://www.etsy.com/listing/90271149/large-leather-tote-bag-shopper-bag
Guangzhou Jin Yi Mei Leather Goods Ltd. on Alibaba: http://jym.en.alibaba.com/product/639590670-213949506/2012_New_design_handbags_women_famous_brands_bags_handbags_fashion.html
leeloongstudio on Etsy: http://www.etsy.com/listing/90353501/leather-tote-bag-shoulder-bag-handbag-in
Guangzhou Jin Yi Mei Leather Goods Ltd.on Alibaba: http://jym.en.alibaba.com/product/572969857-213949507/genuine_leather_handbags_tote_handbags_bags_AZ0121.html
leeloongstudio on Etsy: http://www.etsy.com/listing/103008524/leather-tote-bag-shoulder-bag-handbag-in
Guangzhou Jin Yi Mei Leather Goods Ltd.on Alibaba: http://jym.en.alibaba.com/product/581980397-213949506/genuine_leather_shopping_bags_tote_bags_shoppers.html
New founds to come
leeloongstudio on Etsy: http://www.etsy.com/listing/107317901/hand-stitched-leather-tote-bag-briefcase
Guangzhou Jin Yi Mei Leather Goods Ltd.on Alibaba: http://jym.en.alibaba.com/product/595969560-213949506/new_vintage_cowhide_leather_portable_shopping_bags_totes.html
leeloongstudio on Etsy: http://www.etsy.com/listing/93119345/leather-tote-bag-shoulder-bag-handbag
Guangzhou Jin Yi Mei Leather Goods Ltd.on Alibaba:
http://jym.en.alibaba.com/product/591242494-213960301/Dumplings_leather_bag_cow_leather_ladies_bag.html
MILANDESIGNING on Etsy: http://www.etsy.com/listing/111824912/leather-tote-leather-birefcase-shoulder
Guangzhou Jin Yi Mei Leather Goods Ltd.on Alibaba:
http://jym.en.alibaba.com/product/511955121-213960301/Professional_bag_Factory_2012_New_Lovely_Sweet_Woman_Ladies_Handbag.html
leeloongstudio on Etsy: http://www.etsy.com/listing/111384470/handmade-large-leather-tote-bag
Badi Indusry Co.Ltd. Guangdong on Alibaba:
http://badi.en.alibaba.com/product/624802808-213324752/HOT_Badi_2012_bags_handbags_women_popular.html
leeloongstudio on Etsy: http://www.etsy.com/listing/90353094/leather-tote-bag-shoulder-bag-handbag-in
Badi Indusry Co.Ltd. Guangdong on Alibaba:
http://badi.en.alibaba.com/product/621160165-213324752/90226_COLORFUL_BADI_fashion_leather_lady_handbags.html
leeloongstudio on Etsy: http://www.etsy.com/listing/90271149/large-leather-tote-bag-shopper-bag
Guangzhou Jin Yi Mei Leather Goods Ltd.on Alibaba:
http://jym.en.alibaba.com/product/639590670-213949506/2012_New_design_handbags_women_famous_brands_bags_handbags_fashion.html
123Texas,
Wow, you are really getting the hang of this. Good for you! Keep em coming.
Massproducedy, I am quite familiar with the TOUs. And I have flagged an assload of items with proof that have never been removed. Why don’t you go back through the items that have been called out on this blog and see how many have NOT been removed? Two words: bubble necklace.
Lacy, I know they never remove anything.
Only one advice, be credible and do not report without proofs.
A genuine artist accepts always discussions about your custom orders and suggests ideas.
If a seller refuses an order to your specifications, even small changes, he(she) is a reseller. Keep in mind that often, no way to make an individual design for everyone but only modifications (color, material…).
Prior flagging, contact seller and ask question about a custom order.
123Texas, You can give Etsy all kinds of proof. They don’t care. You can send them a page from Hobby Lobby showing the exact same item and it will stay up for months. I have spent years doing all of the lazy ass content team’s work for them. I refuse to do it anymore. You search the internet, you provide links from Alibaba, you provide links for this, for that, for everything and then you get some snarky letter from the worthless, lazy ass content team telling YOU to take a look at their TOUs with a reminder that other things, such as supplies and vintage items are allowed. You then tell them that the items you have been flagging for months are finished, new, stand alone items, not vintage, not supplies. The items remain on Etsy.
I will just spread the word that Etsy is now the !!!WORLD’S LARGEST ONLINE OUTLET MALL for THIRD WORLD SWEAT SHOPS!!! It is the least I can do.
Whoops, did I say Sweat Shop? I of course meant “collective.”
I have to disagree. I don’t do custom orders because I hate them. I just want to make what I want to make. Doesn’t make me a reseller. There are tons of resellers who claim they can do custom orders.
I hate custom orders, too. People seem to have a cut & paste mentality that doesn’t work for me. Or maybe it’s a Sweet Shop!
Accessories for iPhones! Wow, they really deserve their own spot in the browse section. WTF? What in God’s name is wrong with the twits at Etsy? Does this bother anyone else? I mean, it is not like the iPhone accessory sales have made Etsy what it is today. No offense to anyone who makes these things, but their own spot in the browse category, really? Out of all the things people make, iPhone accessories get their own spot? I think I’m going to puke.
Hello, I really like the energy this site has right now. If you want to post on my site I will moderate it it and do the same thing as here. I also have a personal knowledge of good in Asia because I used to fly there to buy stuff to resell in my shop. I understand that not much is being done about etsy right now. We could also have other topics like finding new places to sell original handmade goods.
NEVER GIVE UP if truth is on your side. Remember truth? I do.,
The problem is, Etsy has officially changed the rules but didn’t really make a huge announcement about it, at least not that I know of. A collective needs to list the people in their shop, but anyone else can have “production help.” As far as I can tell they do not have to say how many. So, if anyone out there owns a small manufacturing business, let’s say making plastic panels or vents for cars or vans, you can now sell these on Etsy as “handmade.” Lovely. I am building my own site. I have had it.
This is why the massive amounts of manufactured clothing, earrings, and purses are never removed. They are now allowed if you own the company. The reality is, Etsy has made a decision to become a small wholesale company for businesses with the pretense that these are small “green” companies that are somehow leaving a small carbon footprint while helping the global economy. It sure as hell sounds a lot better than, Yeah, we are now modeling our business after Ebay but just really don’t want to say so.”
I guess you could say they lie, but it is o.k., because it is a “green” lie.
Etsy, second to one (Ebay).
New founds
http://www.etsy.com/listing/110067119/hand-stitched-leather-tote-bag-briefcase
http://sznovae.en.alibaba.com/product/568284977-213428033/Fashion_genuine_leather_shoulder_bag_for_women.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/90354084/hand-stitched-leather-tote-bag-shoulder
http://tren1988.en.alibaba.com/product/567279377-212841041/Elegant_Lady_Print_genuine_leather_bag.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/111528592/handmade-leather-tote-shoulder-bag
http://badi.en.alibaba.com/product/619411421-213324752/BADI_2013_hottest_fashion_lady_leather_handbag.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/111529077/handmade-leather-tote-shoulder-bag
http://badi.en.alibaba.com/product/619411421-213324752/BADI_2013_hottest_fashion_lady_leather_handbag.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/103811660/hand-stitched-large-leather-tote-lady
http://badi.en.alibaba.com/product/619411421-213324752/BADI_2013_hottest_fashion_lady_leather_handbag.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/93119345/leather-tote-bag-shoulder-bag-handbag
http://jym.en.alibaba.com/product/591242494-213960301/Dumplings_leather_bag_cow_leather_ladies_bag.html
http://badi.en.alibaba.com/product/584073279-213324752/genuine_leather_usa_tote_bag.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/103743956/leather-satchel-handbag-tote-bag-in
http://badi.en.alibaba.com/product/584073279-213324752/genuine_leather_usa_tote_bag.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/103744561/leather-satchel-handbag-tote-bag-in
http://badi.en.alibaba.com/product/584073279-213324752/genuine_leather_usa_tote_bag.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/103744113/leather-satchel-handbag-tote-bag-in-blue
http://www.etsy.com/listing/108987126/vintage-leather-tote-camera-bag-doctor
http://jym.en.alibaba.com/product/566216793-213949507/fashion_handbags_2012_Lady_real_Leather_cotton_tote_bag_crocodile_embossing_bag_factory_for_the_world.html
ok, this is my blog, we could that this howl article and post it there, or we could start something fresh. If you want to post on my site, the address is
http://resellonetsy.wordpress.com/
I have been up for awhile, there is mostly text about how a few resellers are doing what they do on Etsy, it is a narrow area. I was thinking to write a small book. A lot of changes have happened since I started the blog. Etsy still proclaims to be a higher market, when in fact, its about the same market that is everywhere. Many of the same people on Ebay, Alibaba, and websites are also on Etsy pretending to give something handmade for more money than they could make in reality on Ebay. I think in time, many issues on Etsy will be clarified. Since they are still not ready to admit to what they are doing, then they should still be battered with bad publicity. Its not as useless as you may think. The very fact that the people buying there is changing is an indication that the original customers now realize their needs are not being satisfied at Etsy. What confuses me is how some of the vendors can have 100 negs and 200 neutrals and people keep buying the same stuff? It would never work on Ebay. This makes Etsy one of the worst markets for allowing shoddy businesses to continue to operate if they are people supported. At the same time, many of the members selling on etsy are attacking each other to try to gain domination of certain markets! Artists are usually distinct if they are any good at all. Merchants also are distinct. The reliable ones that remain over the years usually offer a concept and reliable service. Hoping somebody will emerge to take on artists needing a place to sell is kind of like a wet dream. Look at juried shows today in the USA. You see jewelry made in India, Nepal, China, Thailand. I have also heard that people are attacking each other to try to get some of the long term older artists out of these shows. I think artists need a site run by artists, supported by artists, with the interests of artists being number one. This needs to be juried. (sadly) This may not make any money, but artists can be sure that they are on a site with there interests at hand. Should people beading in the USA have to compete against necklaces made in Chinese bead factories? Yes. It is your obligation as an artist to out perform these kinds of production products.
Etsy has in fact commoninzed the artistic market and has encouraged many artists to contrive themselves over and over. You are not making a brand like you think. This is the really sad and frustrating thing about Etsy. I think there is no cure for that. The virus that is now etsy is spreading so quickly, swallowing even those that wanted to be artists with integrity. The message is clear. Why waste time making your own stuff? My question is this? Why bother shopping there when I can find more artists at the Ann Arbor juried art show, or at Tuson. I don’t have to buy crappy cheap dresses or baggy pants from Thailand when they are all over outlets right in the USA. If you want to really shut down some of these people, just say NO to shopping there. Don’t support them. No real company stays open without buyers. And for the most part, keep these kinds of complaints fresh on net with specific names of companies on sites like Etsy. A lot of buyers would be really insulted by knowing the lies that are told to them to get them to shop there.
http://www.leatherhandbags4sure.com/Best_Sellers_Lowest_Price/1206_Blue_Genuine_Nappa_Leather_Bag_-6269-422.html
http://www.leatherhandbags4sure.com/Best_Sellers_Lowest_Price/1206_Blue_Genuine_Nappa_Leather_Bag_-6269-422.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/111542807/handmade-smiling-face-bagleather-tote
http://top15bags.en.alibaba.com/product/553011805-211888108/2013_New_Cheap_Handbags_Imitation.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/113105525/orange-women-leather-tote-bag-shopper
http://btbmarket.en.alibaba.com/product/595034086-213885208/2012_latest_tote_bag_HB3360.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/95544305/large-leather-tote-bag-shopper-bag
http://www.leatherhandbags4sure.com/SeeAllHandbags/1694__Black_Genuine_Grain_Cow_Leather_Bag-8470-422.html
Etsy forum about fake handmade
http://www.etsy.com/teams/7718/site-help/discuss/10925931/?group_id=7718&group_slug=site-help&thread_id=10925931
123, I used to believe Etsy when they said they didn’t allow resellers. Now, it is almost as though they don’t allow handmade. They lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. Everyone knows it. Most people apparently don’t care, least of all Etsy.
Find another site to sell on, build your own, sell off of your blog, or, if you can’t beat ‘em join ‘em. Clearly handmade sellers are finding it harder and harder to compete with the third world-sweat shop-child labor-produced items that Etsy so proudly puts out there.
I CANNOT believe ALL of the mass-produced handbags on Etsy!! Admin is certainly winking at this – but it’s blatant fraud. Thanks 123Texas123 for your great research with the links.
Oh, believe it, it’s true!!!!! Show everyone you know. Put it on your blog. Tell the world, Etsy is a fraud.
Oh, and btw, I seriously doubt any of these will be removed. As I said, this type of thing is now allowed on Etsy as long as you claim to own the factory.
massproducedy,
I’m just an extremely disappointed buyer…
I do not sell on Etsy and elsewhere.
New founds
http://www.etsy.com/listing/92808857/large-leather-tote-bag-shopper-bag
http://www.leatherhandbags4sure.com/_New_Styles___Every_Monday_/121_Coffee_Nappa_Leather_Bag__-11037-438.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/113723035/large-genuine-leather-tote-bag-shoulder
http://www.leatherhandbags4sure.com/_New_Styles___Every_Monday_/2256_Blue_Genuine_Crocodile_Cow_Leather_Bag-11319-438.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/108914847/hand-stitched-and-hand-braided-leather
http://www.leatherhandbags4sure.com/Woven_Range/1512__Light_Grey_Oil-Tanned_Leather_Bag_-7774-475.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/92433257/leather-tote-bag-shoulder-bag-satchel
http://www.leatherhandbags4sure.com/Top_Designs_Every_Monday/338_Black_Green__High_End_Bag-8581-489.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/107236348/leather-tote-bag-shoulder-bag-satchel
http://www.leatherhandbags4sure.com/Top_Designs_Every_Monday/338_Dark_Blue_High_End_Bag____-8105-489.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/107236998/leather-tote-bag-shoulder-bag-satchel
http://www.leatherhandbags4sure.com/Top_Designs_Every_Monday/338_Brown_High_End_Bag-6897-489.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/99786179/leather-tote-bag-shoulder-bag-handbag-in
http://www.leatherhandbags4sure.com/Top_Designs_Every_Monday/338_Yellow_High_End_Bag_-7571-489.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/92433167/leather-tote-bag-shoulder-bag-handbag-in
http://www.leatherhandbags4sure.com/Top_Designs_Every_Monday/338_Red_High_End_Bag-7842-489.html
http://www.etsy.com/listing/95262615/hand-stitched-leather-tote-bag-briefcase
http://www.leatherhandbags4sure.com/Best_Sellers___499_or_Less/1230_Black_Nappa_Bag-6737-481.html
Never give up and never give in.
123Texas, you should file a complaint with the BBB and write up a horrible review on Angies List showing the site where you discovered your bag was not handmade. Also, if you have a blog, or know anyone who does, show these links. Post it on Facebook.
The problem is, all these sellers have to do is say they own the business but employ production help. This shop has been here since January of 2012 and I am sure it has been flagged hundreds and hundreds of times. Etsy is so unethical. A few pictures and a handful of lies and pretty soon GM will have their own Etsy shop.
Etsy is ruined, has been for a long time.
I think they should be known for the shop they have become, not “handmade by You,” but “some things handmade, others not, YOU sort it out.”
I just don’t like being played for a fool. They are selling commercial, non-handmade items on a daily basis. Everyone who spends any time there as a seller or a buyer knows it, but it still is not right to try to pass themselves off as a “handmade, supplies, and vintage shop”.
The legitimate sellers really can’t do anything about it. If they cause too much of a stink, their shops will be closed without any reason given, or Etsy buries them with their wonderful new “browse” feature. Etsy also knows that as of right now, sellers really don’t have too many alternatives (yet!).
Buyers, however, do have some recourse. I hope that you take some type of action because you bought what you thought was a handmade bag when Etsy knew, without a shadow of a doubt, that it wasn’t handmade. Keep a list of all the shops you have listed above, flag them, give Etsy a reasonable amount of time to take them down (as if 10 months isn’t enough time!!!), and send the info to CNN. Alert the media. If you have to, start out with a local news station. Enough is enough.
So, you think maybe if we started with the buyers, some results would come. It you pay $139 for a $10 Chinese made purse, you would think you would have a complaint, especially if you could problem the purse came off Alababa or some website. I think Etsy figures to go on with their plan, and in the end they will wear down the small voices, not much different in politics. You see a lot of handbags because they are popular, command huge profits in stores, and most of Asia copies them. Money is tight everywhere, more and more people are joining these kinds of sites hoping to get lucky. The first people that were reselling usually remain. Like the mentioned tribalstyle. People are not cutting into their earrings sales, the prices on what they sell has seriously gone down, and anybody can order those earrings from the same suppliers, but they will never go away. You can find their selling booth at any big rave in the USA. It you cannot get rid of these kinds of people that maybe helped to build etsy, you are not going to have much luck getting rid of anybody else. Its just a business, they are just making a living, that is what I have been told. If you fit into their plan, you prosper. You have to work to fit in, look the way they like it, and behave. A lot of people have commented here on this site, even in rants. None have faced legal auction by etsy. Legal auction forces issues into focus in court. They don’t want they. They may also have forced a few people to jump out windows, but I have never been able to find a blog with any of this. They have the money to cover this up.There are a lot of money scams working on Etsy also, like the one where you buy something expensive, then write the check for a lot more money, hoping to scam the item plus some cash. I have never heard about this directly from Etsy. I would like to see more destructive stories publicized about Etsy.If you want to start posting on my site, I will move the almost 200 comments to start on my site. Rather than just posting here, we could also get together and write some professional articles about the site, rating the site, and try to get some computer mags to pick it up. Not easy, but worth a try. The guy that runs this blog I think owes us an explanation, even a thankyou with a goodbye. But there are so many reasons people can walk away. Illness, divorce, drinking, changing life events, anger, frustration, you name. People here are expressing their thoughts and feelings about business. That is a good thing even if it don’t go anywhere. We can all say what we want about Etsy, but they keep making money, many people selling there keep lying and keep making money. We are here because we would like to see that all rectified. Its just never going to happen. You have to think if your voice and your time to be here is worth anything to you or anybody else. We can build the support up for this, but we have to keep the people we support interested and involved. Remember, it starts with the buyers, not with Etsy. Educating the buyers where to buy might help. The time will come when buying on etsy will be like price buying anywhere. I cannot talk about cheap labor and sweat shops because 3rd world countries have their own eco systems. $125 a month may still be enough to live on. I have worked at the same kind of shops in the USA. A jewelry shop in California where they pay spanish people low wages to do jewelry production. Yes, they still exist. In on state I go more than minimal wage, but when I moved to Calif, the shop there was almost all Spanish workers and I was getting about minimal wage, and was pressed to do all kinds of things that skilled workers should be hired for.
http://resellonetsy.wordpress.com/
OK, I have updated my site with the last group of comments. You can start posting there if you like and I will moderate the site the same way. If you want anything taken out of there let me know.
I think I’ll just stay here, thanks.
I don’t think the person that owns this blog owes us anything.
I just hope that whoever owns this blog is alright. I do hope they return though, but maybe they are just burned out by seeing the never ending stream of resellers on Etsy. Who could blame them?
Thats what I figured, I will get no support on my site, and since I don’t make money doing this, I will probably also retire from it soon. During the elections, I stopped watching the news completely. I agree, who could blame the moderator for dropping out and not telling anybody. I think there is another similar site up where the postings are over one year old. Since I have been educated by Etsy and others, I notice a loosening of my morals. There is an easy way to break even on the national debt. Sell New York to China. Do it durning the night so nobody can see it going on……..
We have removed any peoples comments from our site about any posts we found here. We apologize for any inconvenience about this matter. We can see that interest in resellers on Etsy is at an all time low and basically it s condoned to have a set of rules that nobody have to follow. I can see how that might work for people over time. I have to give my congrats to “The Man” one more time for finding a way to dupe people into having their own business which they don’t control and don’t own. Probably another group run by Scientology. We should all consider “survival of the fittest” at this point, meaning if you are strong and can get away with it, then do it.
resellonetsy, I am interested in blogging about the culture of deception on Etsy. This involves more than just reselling (although that is a huge part of the problem). It also involves deceptive listing keywords and tags about materials (especially in jewelry) and fake vintage. Etsy is the only venue of its size that forces sellers to lie when they list items for sale because the rules as published forbid the sale of items that in practice are listed on Etsy by the thousands. Etsy has become the least trustworthy marketplace online, IMO.
Greetings, Life During Wartime
OK, I agree 100%. I think a few live conversations on SKYPE might be in order also. I see people getting reported all the time. It is hard to fault people looking for income. The few times I have seen people questioned about silver jewelry for instance, that is not silver at all, they have become very defensive. Its not much different walking into shops in Asia
to buy items to resell. They are deceptive about everything, where its made, the material, the process, is it a copy, and more. Vintage is a whole new ballgame. I can agree with vintage style, or vintage looking, but what in fact does vintage really mean in the many contexts that I find it? From what I have read, a lot of the description of what should be going on is left vague. I suggest we start a new blog outlining what we are about, what people can expect from us, what kinds of information can be posted, and so forth. I feel comfortable with a blog just about blaming, or just about sarcasm. We need to bring in people with knowledge and ideas that want to be part of this kind of venue. I have seen a number of people have to leave etsy that have been called out on this blog, but as you say, and I agree, it is not the real problem. What happens with problems is that there is a incubation period, like a warning for cancer, then suddenly, its all over and its hard to call where the problem started. I suspect that organizations like Etsy are actually breaking the laws. You cannot rationalize a law. I see no defense to their recent addition of allowing people to post multiple listings of items like dresses. After that, you open up the possibility for all the factories in the world. How can we get together on this?
LDW, if you start a blog, you will have at least one follower. You are right, it is an overall atmosphere of deception, not just reselling.
What I would like to do is work with a few people from here that want to work together. We can pool our talents, no just rehash what is going on here. LIke Regretsy, it has a lot of humor. It would be nice to do a thing with many different styles going on. If anybody is game. Calling out is not enough at this point. We have to build a community of followers that help raise the all around consciousness of the community.
Its nice to see Etsy give front page space to a copyright infringer. The shop is Ginger Pots, rife with copyrighted characters.
Hey, for Etsy, bottom line is $$$. It isn’t like they don’t break the law each and every single day.
Etsy, second to one!
Esty has committed 100s if not 1000s of trade violations. Also discrimination cases. I suspect that if the truth ever came out, people there would be jumping out windows.
There are aso bribes and payoffs, not always with money, you do me a favor and I take care of you sort of thing.
Ginger Pots is allowed to spam characters invented by other people and copyrighted. Like batman dark knight, they should be cited, sued, and shut down. What you got now is people that could not make it on Ebay running to other sites with loose rules. But its a small company with little to no talent, so probably, nobody will ever bother them.
Just for the record, so they appear on the net, don’t support this vendor
http://www.etsy.com/listing/114843504/batman-dark-knight-painted-christmas
the steal all of their ideas from others, and they spam violating copyrights.
Jealous fat bitches get a life lol stop dwelling on etsy and whining cause you dont sell your crappy crafts
What an intelligent statement.
An excellent callout Click whiile the Treasury is still active!
http://www.etsy.com/treasury/NTc4MjEwMHwyNzIzNTk4ODEy/things-that-make-you-go-hm
sone
Definition – “lazy copycat moron in China”, or “What middle aged dishwashers do after work”, get a little Sone.
Sone, did you ever consider bungee jumping without a rope?
How about sticking your feet and elbows in your mouth, but remember to rotate………
Have a nice day! (NOT) What I MEAN to say is NOTEVER
Regarding this shop in particular:
http://www.etsy.com/shop/AnyonesFashion?ref=shop_sugg
I can vouch for the fact that I have owned one of these garments, did NOT buy it from this Etsy seller and that there is a stall in a mall across the street from where I live (Malaysia)…that sells every one of these items listed in the Etsy store. You can find these just about anywhere here. They are mass produced in India and might I add, poor quality.
Noor, Etsy doesn’t care.
Methinks “Sone” has a stake in this. Sure would love to see THAT Etsy shop! Dare you to declare.
Noor, we agree, this stuff can be found about anywhere, including the USA.
Most of the clothing is common on Etsy unless you live in some small town in the USA.
http://www.etsy.com/shop/AnyonesFashion?ref=shop_sugg
There are a number of shops like this, including shops from Malaysia that buy stuff in Thailand and sell it on Etsy. There is a Singapore shop that has a bunch of bad feedbacks, bad photos, and $6 poorly made dresses from Thailand, they keep selling and selling. You have to wonder why.
I don’t think it is that Etsy don’t care, they only care if somebody nails them in a big magazine. In this day and age, lying works. It makes money, gets you jobs, and keeps you in relationships. Lying works.
massproducedy
etsy is changing, Ebay is changing. The Etsy of 3 years from now will not be the Etsy of today. A lot of people will be gone. My idea, of splitting Etsy into a commercial site and a handmade site makes sense. Just have a category for the commercial. Etsy still wants to try to make everybody believe they are different and better from everybody else. You are a small voice in a larger turmoil. Many people think things about etsy but don’t express it.
I think to express yourself, even if nobody wants to hear it is worth it.
Sone came off a little too hard to not be some jerkoff with a shop on Etsy. They will never come out. Since Etsy is not set up as a real business, your stay there could be short lived. A real business is owned by real people. Those days are gone. The best you can do is handle Ebay, which in fact is the master of these kinds of websites. Buying on the net is way up, but on popular sites like Amazon where there is less bull and more of knowing what you are getting. People on Etsy think because they are backed up by a big name that what they say means something. A few will get rich or stay established, but the 90-10 rule still applies. 10% will get 90% of the sales, and the other 90% of the sellers will get 10% of the sales. You have to remember the general premise about arts and crafts. Who makes money? The schools and suppliers, of course. Its a business. Etsy makes a lot of money off suppliers as suppliers do on Etsy. The original idea was to keep people buying stuff to make stuff so people could keep coming into the market thinking they were going to make money. Now if a beading artist buys a Chinese string of beads for $3, puts a stone pendant on this string and asks $39.95 for it, they are probably going to be disappointed. In China, there are all kinds of these necklaces for $2.99 wholesale, and most of them look better than the ones you see hobbyists make.
Nobody really cares about Etsy and their business. The point is their rules they run buy. They have rules they hardly ever enforce. That makes them look bad. Chinese factories now have outlets in the USA to deliver goods. People that want to buy from an artist should try going to a real juried show. Yes, there are resellers that get in there too, but in the end, does it really matter who made what? I just want to like what I buy and hope it don’t fall apart, and get a fair market price. Who made it? I really don’t care. In case people have not noticed, the artist of the past has gone away. Few exist. The artist of today is often lazy, since going to art school is usually for rich people…….
What? Artists are lazy? What artists do you know? We artists bust our asses and brains every day regardless of profit. Who the hell are you talking about, anyway? The best way to ruin your natural artistic talent is to think that going to art school is going to make you any more talented than you actually are.
ARTISTS WORK. They educate themselves with hard labor.
They don’t learn how to “make stuff”.
People with no taste make up the majority of Etsy buyers. That goes for the population at large. You want quality in your life? It’s a small club.
Very clever! Open shop for about 2 months selling mass produced items and then post your direct website address for the customers to purchase because you were notified asking for proof of hand making your items. You can’t do that so you get as many sales as possible and redirect your customers to your other site.
http://www.etsy.com/shop/LambandLinks
Resellonetsy, resellers are lazy.
I am not an artist, I am a skilled crafter and I work very hard. I am sure many artists work very hard as well.
As far as the site that is directing traffic to their own website, that is against Etsy’s “rules.” Of course as with 90% of their other rules, I am sure it will never be enforced for a reseller. Etsy probably won’t do anything to them because they will want to leave the door open for the place to come back and peddle more of their junk. When Etsy sees resellers, they say, “please don’t go.” When they see artists and crafters who work hard and built their company, they ask themselves, “how can we get rid of them?”
Basically, I never said artists specifically were lazy. Firstly, what is an artist? When are you officially an artist, because you say so? When is a potter a fine artist? When he elevates his craft to the level of fine art? How about the guy that wraps mountains? You wonder what artists I know, do you want a list? I could go back a lot of years. What artists that I know that are taxi drivers, there are plenty of them. I am not an artist, however, I am educated in the arts. Francis Bacon was an artist, not schooled but driving from his guts , driving to make it, however ugly it was. I would not chase that rainbow, the thought that I was an artist. I think there are a lot of aspiring artists, but there is only room for a few at the top of the pyramid. And as far as I can see, who gets to the top is often a matter of popular vote, not a representation of accomplishment. I think the word artist is used too easy these days to describe all kinds of punitive efforts. Going to art school was never meant to give anybody more talent. Art school was a way of defining skills and refining skills. Most of that will come with work and experience, or, maybe not. Some folks are just not cut out to be artists although they think they deserve more of the pie than they are getting. In truth, I think etsy was never meant for artists. It was just one way for them to get attention and get started. I spent a lot of time this week looking at ArtFire and Dawanda, and Bonanza this week. I did not see much going on with these site after years. Bonanza has the best support, if you want to join a site with people that care whats going on, I would say that site is very good. What it looks like to me is a serious decrease of vendors on most of these sites do to lack of traffic and sales. I would be happy to discuss matters of art with you any time you like, but you are immediately defensive thinking you are being attacked.
What is an artist, I will leave you this. That guy on roller skakes that has been singing and playing old electric hippy music on Venice Beach. Thats an artist! He never asked for anything more than pocket change, and being who he was did eventually get him rewarded as a person who lives as an artform. Thats an artist. A little school wouldn’t hurt anybody that thinks they are an artist or is an inspiring artist. It can help to define you. In every art class, only a few will ever be artists. Some will be art teachers, and many will end up getting normal jobs for money and as they grow older they will let art go.
http://www.etsy.com/shop/LambandLinks
These guys are gone. What this was about was people coming in and testing the water to see how much they can get away with. Its easy to fool etsy, but you have to have it together.
Lets get back to something you said.
People with no taste make up the majority of Etsy buyers.
OK, define taste? People with taste, what to they look like? Taste for what? Style? Things they want to own? Materialism of things? Ideas? People that buy on etsy is a cross section of the general public! Probably you should not be selling on etsy with your negative point of view of whats out there. If you want to make money, all kinds of buyers will come to support you. Thats want you want, to introduce your form of art or perception to new buyers that may not be aware of you. People get educated by experience. Most are educated before they ever find you. Etsy basically lies to people. That mean real people with knowledge may go away. If you want sophisticated buyers you have to offer a sophisticated product, not a string of beads with a cheap stone pendant that took 15 minutes to string. One thing you do learn in art school is what art might be, and what it could be. Real artists don’t care much about etsy because they already have venues of support for them being artists.
The argument I find difficult is the one saying I am an artist but I cannot make a living.
Then you begin to see where art fits into society, not where you would like it to be. In todays world, its a bit tough to just put food on the table, I think people are not going to be too concerned about art in the years to come.
massproducedy – I know you are feeling no hope for etsy. Etsy is in constant change. They do kick some people off, I have a list. You have said many “right on” things about business on this site. I always enjoy reading your stuff. It is dismal now for the artist to find a way to represent himself online. That will pass. Most of the people I know are doing live shows, many are juried. They don’t sell online, they are too busy doing what they have done for years, making jewelry. Some just make redundant pieces, and some reach for more when they are in the mood. Many are self supporting doing the shows. Its instant money. You don’t have to wait for somebody to find you and pay you. If you are good, you get a following. If you are average, you will fall into the group of people that support the shows but don’t sell much. From what I hear, people walking at shows now just don’t have any money. The group of buyers from a few years ago are now gone .What I did hear is that people are doing good at the higher end. The more expensive and often more skilled work is coming into its own.
That goes for the population at large. You want quality in your life? It’s a small club.
Quality in life is actually quite a large club. A lot of folks judge their life by what they don’t have. They also don’t take time to acknowledge all the good in their life. For example, you make it to be 21 and you are alive and healthy, you have to thank somebody for that. In many parts of the world its not taken for granted like it is in the USA. Part of having quality in life is finding people right for what they do. As much as I think Etsy is going down the wrong path, I have to find them right for who they are. You have to look past all the rules to see who they are. How would life be without etsy? I would prefer to have it there even if they never change to be the way I would like to see them be. Can you dig that? “Be here now” and the sooner you get into agreement with “what is” the sooner you can move on with personal growth. Many people that are not on Etsy anymore actually found better ways to solve their problems of what they wanted to do in business. Like starting their own website where you have most of the control.
It used to be enough just to take a photo, say a few words, and wait for customers online. Today you are expected to be apart of a great online community by spending hows of your time trying to tell people about yourself. It kinda looks like gambling to me.
You are spending a lot of time for something that will never made much difference in your wallet. There are people that have talent, know how to click, and came along at the right time. They are making money. The rest of us should carefully consider what to do with our valuable time that is quickly running out with age. Until somebody really exposes Etsy for what is really going on there, not much will ever be done about it. They have enough money and politics to cover up most of their disasters.
Quality is obvious to those who appreciate it. There are a lot of mediocre crap in the world and they can call it anything they want; it fools some.
What I objected to was the use of the “artists are lazy” line. Never met any of them. The lazy ones are posers.
You either get it or you don’t………………………………………..
I am sorry, I don’t remember saying that, and if I did, there was a context to what I said. Quality is not obvious to a lot of people. And your opinion of what quality is only your opinion. There has to be some kinds of terms to define quality. One other thing, people that lived 50 years ago that had some quality in their life may not agree on what quality is today. Its not the same. The term “lazy” even is a matter of opinion. What I define as lazy in art is people that find something they can just do over and over and never go beyond that. That is lazy. Now you could say, if it works, how can it be lazy? Thats not the point. The point is to seek the truth in art, your personal truth. I suspect you and I have more ideas in common than out of common, but we maybe are not defining our terms. Even the notion of having a truth in art, may have no real meaning. The world “organic” today has very little meaning. Organic in art did have a meaning in 1959. People today are picking up on old styles, maybe even making them look better, but they were not there when the styles were being creating, its not the same today. Probably the idea today is to keep working till you find something that sells, then just keep repeating that as long as the money comes in? Is that right? There was a point in my life where I decided whether to just be art educated, or advance into the part of making it and carrying it around. I decided I was not an artist based on the fact I could care less about selling it, promoting it, of having to lug it around. I think this was a sensible judgement. My dad said, don’t go to art school, learn a trade, like being a plumber, or a electrician. You can paint for a hobby if you like it. Now this is a conservative idea, right? But it was good advice. Plumbers are in high demand if they are good. Artists are really not. Net artists might be. What I do today could be considered art, but I reject that possibility as I only can agree to being a commercial diddler, meaning cranking out a plausible but low income.
Back to etsy. There are a lot of people cranking out a very nice income pretending to me innovators of style. This may be notable, since some are getting well off from it. From a modern point of view, this may be honest and justifiable. Years from now, they will just laugh about how they did it, maybe bragging, and nobody will really remember or even care about it. Its hard to even care about it right now in real time.
Seriously resellonetsy, you can’t remember something you said only a few hours ago? From your view on politics to your opinions of artists does anyone really give a fuck? Why don’t you go post your bloviated bullshit on your own blog instead of making this blog all about you? Because A. No one gives a shit about your political leanings and B. No one gives a shit about half the shit you say or else they would be running over to your blog to comment instead of talking to you on this already established by someone else blog and C. You keep putting your foot in your mouth despite the fact that your mouth never stops running. And D. Your lazy artist comment can be found in the last sentence of this very wordy blah blah blah gobbledy gook you posted. Not only did you diss artists, but you SPECIFICALLY dissed the artists of TODAY. So because people aren’t rich and can’t pay to go to art school this makes them lazy? And of course what YOU do IS considered art while most of the lazy non-art schooled artists of today just bang simple shit out. You are a pompous ass IMHO.
Thanks and have a nice day.
resellonetsyNovember 29, 2012 at 12:10 am#
Noor, we agree, this stuff can be found about anywhere, including the USA.
Most of the clothing is common on Etsy unless you live in some small town in the USA.
http://www.etsy.com/shop/AnyonesFashion?ref=shop_sugg
There are a number of shops like this, including shops from Malaysia that buy stuff in Thailand and sell it on Etsy. There is a Singapore shop that has a bunch of bad feedbacks, bad photos, and $6 poorly made dresses from Thailand, they keep selling and selling. You have to wonder why.
I don’t think it is that Etsy don’t care, they only care if somebody nails them in a big magazine. In this day and age, lying works. It makes money, gets you jobs, and keeps you in relationships. Lying works.
massproducedy
etsy is changing, Ebay is changing. The Etsy of 3 years from now will not be the Etsy of today. A lot of people will be gone. My idea, of splitting Etsy into a commercial site and a handmade site makes sense. Just have a category for the commercial. Etsy still wants to try to make everybody believe they are different and better from everybody else. You are a small voice in a larger turmoil. Many people think things about etsy but don’t express it.
I think to express yourself, even if nobody wants to hear it is worth it.
Sone came off a little too hard to not be some jerkoff with a shop on Etsy. They will never come out. Since Etsy is not set up as a real business, your stay there could be short lived. A real business is owned by real people. Those days are gone. The best you can do is handle Ebay, which in fact is the master of these kinds of websites. Buying on the net is way up, but on popular sites like Amazon where there is less bull and more of knowing what you are getting. People on Etsy think because they are backed up by a big name that what they say means something. A few will get rich or stay established, but the 90-10 rule still applies. 10% will get 90% of the sales, and the other 90% of the sellers will get 10% of the sales. You have to remember the general premise about arts and crafts. Who makes money? The schools and suppliers, of course. Its a business. Etsy makes a lot of money off suppliers as suppliers do on Etsy. The original idea was to keep people buying stuff to make stuff so people could keep coming into the market thinking they were going to make money. Now if a beading artist buys a Chinese string of beads for $3, puts a stone pendant on this string and asks $39.95 for it, they are probably going to be disappointed. In China, there are all kinds of these necklaces for $2.99 wholesale, and most of them look better than the ones you see hobbyists make.
Nobody really cares about Etsy and their business. The point is their rules they run buy. They have rules they hardly ever enforce. That makes them look bad. Chinese factories now have outlets in the USA to deliver goods. People that want to buy from an artist should try going to a real juried show. Yes, there are resellers that get in there too, but in the end, does it really matter who made what? I just want to like what I buy and hope it don’t fall apart, and get a fair market price. Who made it? I really don’t care. In case people have not noticed, the artist of the past has gone away. Few exist. The artist of today is often lazy, since going to art school is usually for rich people…….
Let’s see resellonetsy-one type of crap sold on Etsy that you single out early on is Nazi stuff. You rant and rave about Chinese and Thailand and mass produced clothing and factories. You are so rabid on this subject as to appear a tad bit racist IMHO. ThaiPants mean anything to you? You think your own items are “true art” and real quality stuff and most other artists of today are lazy because didn’t go to art school and the items they create are items of repetition. You have a vendetta against Etsy so severe that you want something to happen on Etsy that is so severe that it attracts national attention. It is also clear that you have been kicked off of Etsy. I say be careful lest you out yourself. Because you and I both know who you are. And you know that I know who you are.
I do think reselling on Etsy is a bad thing. I think stuff claiming to be handmade that is not is a bad thing. However I don’t appreciate someone using their own fucking problems that they brought upon THEMSELF and what happened to them at Etsy as a hidden agenda to come over to someone else’s blog and get everyone riled up by pretending to have their best interests at heart when in fact you only have your OWN interest and your OWN vendetta against Etsy at heart. Get the fuck over it already. You’re as fucking obnoxious as you were then. If I don’t know who you are I will eat my own damned hat. If you are not who I think you are then you both could be asshole brothers from another mother.
PussDaddyBlogs (@PussDaddyBlogs)
That was quite a rant you went on, and don’t bother to put words in my mouth. I can see now the rednecks are out in full force. I don’t have any items to be art of otherwise. I am also not on Etsy, but it would be easy to be there. Just buy a temporary credit card, just about anywhere, go to a gaming cyber cafe, and I am there, except, it looks like work. (you know, photographing stuff to resell, its work) And thats something I want to avoid. My best skill to date may be making paper dolls out of license plates. If you want to step it up, you can drop in any time you want. But you should get your facts straight. Thaipants is some site on Ebay that has 2000+ items and can only sell about 100 items a month. Its a business model that everybody should copy, right? I said I was art educated, I did not say I went to art school, nor did I say I ever did art. I don’t need to got to school or do any art to have opinions about it. I only said I thought about it and it looked like work. How does that connect to all your gropes on what I said. My callouts were all accurate. I have a book full of data to back them up. I simply don’t own your words, you do? As far as obnoxious goes, you are right up there with the best esse……… feel free to extend your moronism into the future, since that is your best shot. Cheers, and be sure to read your Bible.
BE CAREFUL, PUSS-DADDY IS WORKING FOR ETSY.
Working for Etsy? Get real. They hate me as much as they do anyone else they hate. I meant to say ThaiDreams, not ThaiPants, and I realized my mistake but didn’t think it worth correcting. I might not be able to remember what I said a year ago but at least I can remember what I said a few days, hours, or minutes ago.
PD
Put words in your mouth? You said artists of today are lazy, and I copied and pasted the shit where YOU said it. And I didn’t say your callouts weren’t accurate. I said no one wants to hear about your political leanings and half of the bullshit you are spouting off that doesn’t pertain in any way to the topic of this blog. And in case I put words in anyone else’s mouth- if they love hearing it then I don’t.
As for your insights into artistry and lack thereof-Etsy is a site for HANDMADE-it isn’t an ARTIST specific site. That means items made out of ponybeads are as welcome as hand-forged metal artistry. I have bought lots of stuff from the lazy artists of which you speak, and for all you know some of the people on this very blog post may be the lazy artists of which you speak.
However I am through with you. You aren’t worth my time or effort. Carry on with your bloviated, pedantic self and may your opinions about artists and laziness make you lots of friends.
PD
OK, I had to admit, I don’t know who Thaidreams is, its not me. if you think I have something to do with them, I have no idea.
About what I say sometimes, the fact some of it is worded in a strong fashion, it was meant to be. Sometimes I play devils advocate just to get people worked up to say something.
And I agree, I should not talk about things I have talked about on this blog. There is no moderator at this point. If there was, what you say probably would have never made it and what I said would never have made it. I would not personally want to generalize about who artists are or who they might be, or even what is an artist? Maybe 45 years ago I would have been agreement with my piers, today, I am not probably in agreement with anybody.
I get the feeling that you think we met on etsy and had some kind of disagreement. I was on etsy only as a buyer. I still have that account and I have no idea of what that password might be. My site, reselling on Etsy is what is is. It tells you how to get away with selling on Etsy and it shows people that are doing it and continue to do it. I have shared that information with the general public, including their exact sources. So far, nobody has come after me, and a few people have actually gone into business and thanked me. So, I have to figure I helped a few unemployed people. I have given the same information for other sites. So, you can thank me for some of the resellers, including two sites from China, one I trained them to be on Etsy when I lived in China for 2 years.
You think I have some kind of stick that I am only. Ya, boredom. I posted all that stuff to see what would happen and boredom. I understand that you got bugged and took excerpts from what I said, out of context and have been trying to build a case why I should not be posting anything. Me saying artists are lazy is like Romney say 47% of the Americans are on the take. He did not mean it that way, it was taken out of context, and I did not mean it that way either. What I meant was, and any art teacher would tell you this is that some students have a lot of talent, but stop at some point and become lazy with researching into their medium deeper. Thats all I mean to say. The fact that this triggered all the ranting that you did should give you reason to look into your own psyche and figure out what that was about.
I fully understand what a lot of people are saying here and how they are feeling about it. Getting kicked off Etsy is not something to have a lifetime fit about and hold it against etsy. If you are a reseller, you just get back on Etsy and start over. 1000s are doing it. They are not spending time ranting about Etsy. We are glad Etsy is there so we can skate through the rules and make a lot of money doing it. Can you dig? Its like being on some sites and saying you are shipping from France, but all your stuff is in China. China will never get kicked off even with feedbacks revealing they are lying. I know this because I advised one company how to skate through all the loopholes in selling on the net.
I think the other point was that is is easy to stay on Etsy. You only have to change things 30% of less. Like putting a bow or belt on a new dress you didn’t make. This is lazy. That would be my point. It would be simple to make the needed changes. But it is allowed, and sure, why not? Websites are business and if you are not cranking out a buck, you are not getting your dream. There are always sad stories in business about people that didn’t make it because of the system or poor planning they were not aware of. So what.
The only thing I need to get over is the moderator is gone for some reason, maybe not his fault, and this site will die off in the future. Thats it. All of these sites are rolling out changes every year. The etsy of 2 years ago is not the Etsy of today, providing a constant challenge for people to stay as vendors.
So, you copped an attitude about me. I advise you to keep it, and ignore anything I might say. I copped one about you too, living in the middle of nowhere with cats (whoppy). There are a lot of people that know a lot more about the business than you do. You like to harp on certain things I said out of context. Now I have qualified what I said about artists in the context I said it. I have no intention to keep posting about anything on this site unless I see a moderator appear. On my site, I will keep posting about how to sell on sites that don’t want you there, and my new E-book on that topic will be available soon. Lets agree to not agree and call it a day. All this talk I am a waste of your time, you are a waste in time even it cats seem to like you.
Those who know PussDaddy know what to expect from her. Yada yada yada PD, getting her rocks off again. Have at it, it’s fun to read if it’s not too long.
Show’s over folks, nothing to see here. Someone put this blog out of its misery…
This is really a shame. This was a great group effort by many dedicated people over a period of time. Lets also pray that the person running the group did not fall sick or maybe something worse. I can only wish the best to the people who still carry out the work started here. Many thanks.
Ditto Primalbrass.
I hope this isn’t goodbye to this blog, but if it is thank you so much for sticking around as long as you did and serving a useful purpose. This blog will be missed.
Do not let one nasty troll ruin this forum. It serves a purpose, although it doesn’t seem to. Where else?
Here is my favorite reseller who claims to be ‘handmade’. Do the math though.. if you claim you have no help where do you find time to create, photograph, list, promote, packages, ship, make more.. have 3 kids, go shopping, be a wife.. all while doing 30,000 sales on handmade items in just barely over a year?
http://www.etsy.com/shop/ThreeBirdNest
please please please do a story on her! i can provide you with links to her products on wholesale sites as well as personal emails from etsy after filing many complaints!
help!!!!
Here are the skull and crossbones from ThreeBirdNest’s shop on Ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Personalized-Cross-Skull-Pattern-Multicolor-Knitted-Women-Long-Socks-Leg-Warmer-/271121283243?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f201678ab
She makes them handmade by sewing some lace on at the top.
hds, I am setting up a blog about rule-breaking on Etsy. I’ll post the info here when I am ready. Would be happy to do call-outs that are documented. ThreeBirdNest does not completely handmake the items she sells. It looks like many items have lace added to them to make them Etsy legal. Because they are embellished, selling these items as handmade by her is allowed. That stinks, but there it is.
Hilarious reseller self-callout in the Etsy Forums, with clueless response from an Admin:
http://www.etsy.com/teams/7714/ideas/discuss/11054839/page/160/
Buyers remorse? garage sale of “Handmade by the seller” designer?? extravagant items here: shop name cherrie770
http://www.etsy.com/shop/cherrie770?ref=pr_shop_more
brand new handmade Burberry purse at TheLillyThings
http://www.etsy.com/listing/116920735/burberry-nova-sling?ref=sr_gallery_43&ga_search_query=burberry&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_ship_to=US&ga_search_type=handmade
Gone! See? This blog is worthwhile!
It works! while my next post is awaiting moderation (who’s doing that?) I’ll post just one of the links to hopefully remove an Alibaba sourced reseller, the photos show the logo on the interior of the purses:
HongKong purse reseller, shop name Fungalicious:
sells Nucelle handbags as their own handmade, bought at Aliexpress- http://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/Women-s-Handbags/713974_212131309.html
And how do you get way with selling a shop full of $25 fakes “but I don’t think it’s authentic” for this kind of money? shop name PetiteCute
http://www.etsy.com/shop/petitecute?section_id=10565891
I would say the crappy exterior tab on the LV black epi Speedy tote is enough to call it fake.
I can’t believe someone is still trying to sell commercially made chicken wire cloches on Etsy http://www.etsy.com/listing/93230630/vintage-style-french-market-wire-cloche
Tough to pass off as handmade when you include closeup photos of the tags http://www.etsy.com/listing/112955529/michael-kors-tangerine-tote-bag
Was that communication clear enough for people that work on Etsy and may want to check this site for what people are saying about them? Feel free to remove any people that have been called out on this site and you have not removed they yet, and there are many you are protecting. Try a little more honesty next year if you want to make members of the Etsy community more happy.
Etsy seller greengem not only is selling mass-produced engagement/wedding ring sets and other jewelry, they are calling CZs “herkimer diamonds”! AND they’re claiming they mine there own “herkimers” from their own mine! Haha! Such fraud!! Anyone who purchased one of their “conflict-free herkimers” should sue greengem AND etsy for fraud, when they discover their jewelry is just common cubic zirconia. You can buy any of those rings wholesale at silverliquidators.com or teeda.com etc. I mean, really…to any of greengem’s 600+ customers: google is your friend, people. Look up “herkimer” and then look up “cz”.
ALL from Ali Express – please report: http://www.etsy.com/shop/Lostpigeon?ref=pr_shop_more
Here’s the Ali Express reference: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/Jute-Storage-Box/708191_212027955.html
My Dad grew up in Herkimer and we visited G’ma and G’pa every Sunday. You don’t get Herkimer diamonds any old place– they are in one mine privately owned and with security. You can pay to go in and see if you can find any, but FAT CHANCE.
http://www.etsy.com/shop/UberKuchi?ref=seller_info_count
This is complete bull on this site. There is nothing there vintage, it is all the usual Afghani goods that don’t belong on Etsy.
https://www.facebook.com/UberKuchi/info
They tell you to go here a phishing site :bluz4allah@uberkuchi.com
Another example of Etsy having their heads completely up their bums.
http://www.etsy.com/listing/41565725/warrior-skull-ring-in-sterling-silver
Complete bull. This ring design and the sugar skull he sells is everywhere on Ebay. Check any site selling Chinese stainless steel. If this is silver its a copy of a copy of a copy.
He used to mix in his stuff with stuff he resells, not is is almost all copies.
http://www.etsy.com/listing/83308018/hear-no-evil-speak-no-evil-see-no-evil
common design from Thailand silver shops.
http://www.etsy.com/listing/120058572/steampunk-mars-god-of-war-large-skull
complete bull – a stainless steel copy from China
If not, a poor copy of a ring that everyone has. Check out the callout above, same ring.
Need I show you this ring on Ebay everywhere?
http://www.etsy.com/listing/118765022/new-925-sterling-silver-wiggle-and
Never made a thing, all common jewelry in Thailand. And this is a bad casting to boot.
http://www.etsy.com/listing/118472136/new-rock-heavy-metal-gothic-claw-skulls
This is a common ring from the Thai silver market, everybody has it on Ebay.
This site is complete bull and this seller has been on and off Ebay, not doing too well.
Etsy, take the trash out, or better yet, bring more in to junk up and falsify your site
http://www.etsy.com/listing/118011957/new-marcasite-owl-eyes-sterling-silver
complet bull. Marcasite comes from yet again a separate shop. This person goes to all different shops and selects stuff to sell. They design or handmade nothing. Complete bull.
http://www.etsy.com/listing/119471497/steampunk-ghost-knight-skull-hand-bone?ref=sr_gallery_30&ga_search_query=skull+ring&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_ship_to=ZZ&ga_order=price_desc&ga_page=12&ga_search_type=all
A commercial ring, NOT STEMPUNK, in fact these people just wanted to say something to try to get in there an protect the fact they make nothing. Mindless drones.
You’d think Etsy would at least be able to recognize the travesty of mass-produced bubble/bib necklaces….there has been a constant and loud outcry about them.
But, nope. This treasury in on the front page right now, with the $13.00 necklace from onlygifts (just the name is a dead giveaway) in the top row
http://www.etsy.com/treasury/NjU3ODk5NnwyNzIzODcxMTE4/january-finds-184
Etsy, are you guy completely stupid? This has got to be the most stupid shop I have ever seen on etsy?
http://www.etsy.com/shop/RiverOfRomansk?ref=seller_info_count
All this crap on this site is cheap clothing bought in Thailand for about $5-$8 and sold for $50 or more. Is that a big deal? Look at the feedbacks!
http://www.etsy.com/people/RiverOfRomansk/feedback?ref=owner_feedback_leftnav
out of 1685 they got 94% – here is the breakdown, 166 Neutrals and 88 Negatives!
The top page has 4 NEGS and 6 Neutrals. If they are not cheaters why would you keep someone like this on Etsy? They should give you IQ tests at Etsy.com, right?
Where on the net can you have this many bad feedbacks and still be in business, not even on Ebay…………….
Which reminds me, I saw one guy on Etsy with 14 negs and 1 positive, still selling, he was at 7%. So, where is your etsy integrity? You have none and everybody knows it.
Don’t forget to report these morons. They make nothing, post the same garbage over and over, and people are dumb enough to keep buying in spite of the feedbacks. Why???????
Are the customers as retarded and the re-sellers on Etsy?
Regretsy would have been a better name than etsy for the etsy site, but they probably own regretsy also which is regretsyable…………
You can start here idiots, try stainless steel in the handmade?
if it is not supplies then its bull crap. Do you idiots know what it takes to make something out of stainless steel or how it is done?
I didn’t think so
http://www.etsy.com/shop/CleanCastingJewelry?ref=seller_info_count
Does this company have a factory and $25,000K plus machines?
There is a whole process for casting stainless steel, it is not handmade.
If you are looking for Chinese antiques, please don’t buy them on Etsy. Particularly coins?
Is etsy going to clean up this section, NOPE, neither are they going to clean up any other section. Hire me for one week, I will do you more good than any of the 25 people you got working on resellers. (Well, maybe they are not really working, they are hiding in the bathroom wondering how they are going to fullfill they job positions…………
Don’t forget, China, Nepal, Thailand, Cambodia, crank out 1000s of fake antiques every year. There are laser techniques to make stuff look old. Some of it is even buried in the ground. Like antique beads, some of the fakes cost almost as the real ones and are very hard to tell from the real ones.
http://www.etsy.com/listing/120975349/feng-shui-dzi-stone
This listing is criminal, old 9eye
do these morons know what 9 eyes cost and are worth. Try $60,000 to $250,000 for a start. Where would a joke moron like you get a 9 eye anyway.
Kick these idiots off etsy
http://www.etsy.com/listing/117026394/dzi-bead-with-mala-and-vintage-african?ref=sr_gallery_27&ga_search_query=DZI+bead&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_ship_to=ZZ&ga_search_type=all
He had this wonderful 9 eye dzi in his collection for 9 years? Ya right, a pick of modern crap that is worthless, not even a real DZI pattern
Etsy, feel free to do nothing and ignore everything I say since you are complete morons anyway. The customers that buy there are not far behind you. Enjoy a bleek future. They day will come when you will be a has been joke, or maybe a “never was” joke.
Fact checkers, that is what etsy needs, real fact checkers………… or not, Why check the facts when you can just make them up like your re-sellers do?
http://www.etsy.com/listing/93967958/silver-lotus-geo?ref=sr_gallery_5&ga_search_query=silver+brass&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_ship_to=ZZ&ga_order=price_desc&ga_page=0&ga_search_type=all
I just wanted to present you with this bargain for $25,000!
Here is one of their negs
HORRIBLE SERVICE!!! Wrote wrong address on my package, made rude comments about USA, and wanted me to track down package myself, never received earrings.I am about done today.
76% feed backs! Complet morons you should remove from etsy, no?
You definitely need more sellers like this on Etsy, put them on the first page, they are poor.
Look at this, he even sold and antique?
http://www.etsy.com/transaction/69157996
this is not an antique, I hope they paid a lot for it.
This is a shop you should avoid, and etsy should consider removing them since they are so nice to people, or keep them for pets, maybe you can torture them later or use them as Etsy fashion police in Asia.
Well, I wasted enough time today calling out on etsy. The boss left, the site is stagnated, and nobody really cares about Etsy anyway since it is “out of control”. Why bother?
Does anyone know about ThaiTee? I wanted to order something from them, but something in the back of my mind seemed suspicious. I hope I’m wrong… I really like their pants :/
I wouldn’t buy from them. Dime a dozen in the Far East. By the way, “An antique silver pendant worn by tribal women of Rajesthan, a dessert state in India. ” Sounds like Candyland!
Ya, those are great pants if you are paying $8 in the tourist ghetto in Thailand. Otherwise, don’t waste your money. Its another shop that should be kicked off of etsy, they didn’t make a thing. You can probably find then on Ebay for $10.
I would avoid buying from Thailand or China. They take photos for the real goods on movie stars, then then send you something that was a bad copy. They also spam that everything fits any size person. How is that possible, unless you are just looking for a potato sack, meaning you have to take how it looks on you, it is not tailored to fit you. For $25 in Asia, you can buy a whole suit. The other problem, will it ever arrive and in what condition? Everybody knows every scammer in the world is selling on the net from Asia. In the USA, there is 1000s upon 1000s of containers of clothing shipped into the USA and already there in werehouses. I visited such a place in Ca, after taking a holiday in Asia. The stuff was cheaper to buy in the USA then in Nepal!
This shop was called out on Regretsy in 2011 with a follow-up in 2012.
http://www.etsy.com/shop/toofashion2010 now has 32,000 sales.
Not only is the shop still there, but they proudly announce in their About section that they practice illegal activity: “All items will be marked as “Gift” and declared low value to minimize the custom tax.”
When you browse Jewelry from the home page, and click on “Bib Necklaces,” here’s what Etsy offers you…
This appears in the #1 spot: http://www.etsy.com/listing/112931691/mint-green-blue-bib-necklaceblue-bubble
This appears in the #2 spot: http://www.etsy.com/listing/120049808/vintage-brass-multi-bronze-carved-leaf
There are many more, but this comment will get buried in “awaiting moderation.” In fact, at least 22 of 61 necklaces on the 1st page of Browse Bib Necklaces are resellers from China, Hong Kong or Singapore. That’s 36%. And they’re priced low, of course. And the sellers have plenty of bad feedback, of course.
I wonder if 36% is a fair estimate of the overall reseller invasion of Jewelry? Heck, it probably could be more. And as long as Etsy promotes them like this, real jewelry designers haven’t got a chance.
Jewelry designers never had a chance on Esty. Etsy was destined to be over-run by Chinese shops. In Guangzhou, China, there are huge shopping malls for all levels of already assembled beaded necklaces. A stone beaded necklace with a nice focal bead starts at $2.99. That means if you are a beader on Etsy, you spent all day at a gem show in NJ to buy focal beads to make your products for Etsy, You are wasting your time. Not only that, many people working in these factories live there, are very young, and do nothing but string necklaces all day long, 10 or more hours a day, 6 days a week. Not only that, they have 1000s of beads, right in front of them to chose from. They don’t have to go out and buy anything. Etsy is a political organization, a bunch of self serving greed mongers lining their own pockets, manipulating all the factors of membership, every day, 365 days a year. How do you get rid of a group like this? Don’t buy there. If etsy or Macdonalds did not get a sale in 30 days, what would happen. The fact is, most of the shops on etsy don’t sell much. But the ones that do, are resellers.
Now here is the bad part. As Etsy lets in more resellers from Asia, the customer base will change. Resellers from Asia are ruthless and bring down the prices since their products are mass produced very cheaply. Sales of components to make jewelry has gone down quite a bit. Competition on etsy have driven down prices of finished goods. I have seen shops on etsy that have 50-70% sales. That means sellers can buy stuff from Asia for $5 and resell it on etsy for $50, then have a 70% sale and make money. Do you think and arts would dump all their creations for for 70% off? Etsy has become a market for clever people to slide by their rules, which are worthless anyway, and resell the same items that are selling everywhere else for a lot less, by calling them handmade by artists. Its just a promotion scam. Can you expect anybody on the Etsy staff to have any morals about this, nope, there is none.
Etsy recruits people that will enforce their kind of politics of business. In some cases, they used up a lot of people, by using them to get bigger than throwing them away later. Like asking people selling on etsy to report resellers, then cutting them off etsy later for making these reports. This is etsy. Your only choice is, and that is if you want to make money, is to bypass all the checks, and be a reseller like everybody else on Etsy. Sell your real art somewhere else. It could have been predicted that factories that supply resellers would find themselves on selling sites in direct competition with their customers.
Also Turkey and Greece. They are up and coming reseller hot spots.
http://www.etsy.com/listing/114912827/pick-guitar-dragon-pendant-gothic-silver?
This shop did not make this, this pendant is all over Ebay. Made by a shop in Pratinum in Thailand.
http://www.etsy.com/listing/115117752/bulldog-stud-pendant-gothic-silver-925?
They did not make this, also, this is a Gabor copy, violating copyrights
http://www.etsy.com/listing/114911855/thors-hammer-pendant-gothic-silver-925?
NOPE! All over Ebay, all the Thai Silver sellers have this item. NOT MADE BY THIS RESELLER.
http://www.etsy.com/people/ultimatesilver?ref=owner_profile_leftnav
Why are they on ETSY, they admit to being a jewelry seller.They have no factory contacts, they buy from wholesale shops.
http://www.etsy.com/shop/TribalStyle?ref=shop_sugg
top seller on etsy. They are located in Cleveland, OH
They make nothing. Everything comes from Bali.
These folks do music fairs and tribal retail shows in the USA, many of them.
They are re-sellers only.
Re-sellers
http://www.etsy.com/search?q=thaisaket&view_type=gallery&ship_to=TH
their stuff they say they design is all over Ebay and Etsy.
Here is the same kind of reseller, question is who copied who?
http://www.etsy.com/shop/thaitee
Lets spam Keith Richards on our site
http://www.etsy.com/listing/118942964/keith-richards-style-925-oxydized?ref=sr_gallery_3&sref=sr_420334726dbaad50247c95d955bda67338fae1079a614d225d2025d1f6866c3d_1359638846_14317403_skull&ga_search_query=sterling+silver+skull&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_ship_to=TH&ga_search_type=all
they did not make this and they are spammin
New place to hang out. http://etsyexposed.wordpress.com/
Featured on Etsy’s front page yesterday http://www.etsy.com/listing/106587506/grey-coat-irregular-sweep-long-sleeve?ref=tre-2720604995-3
You really have to wonder about a handmade coat offered @ $128 (cheaper than Sears?). I also see the description doesn’t even say what the fabric is. I declare shenanigans.
http://www.etsy.com/listing/106587506/grey-coat-irregular-sweep-long-sleeve
this is selling from China. The coat in fact is about $20 in China. Yes, they did not make it. It was made in a Chinese factory. This is just more dribble from Etsy posting it on the front page.
http://www.etsy.com/listing/118627271/316l-stainless-steel-with-tribal-black?ref=sr_gallery_12&ga_search_query=tribalstyle&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_ship_to=ZZ&ga_search_type=all
This company is a joke. Stainless steel pendants. Made in China
http://www.etsy.com/listing/118622455/pair-of-316l-stainless-steel-black-hoop?
Mass produced stainless steel. Thanks etsy for letting another idiot on the net………
http://www.etsy.com/listing/118625312/stainless-steel-heart-with-ip-rose-heart?
This is mass produced, you can buy it anywhere. Its .99 on Ebay. But to be fair, figure the cost at about $3. These kinds of products actually look nice! However, they don’t belong on Etsy.
http://www.etsy.com/shop/BeautyCharms
PLEASE REPORT this new shop for stainless steel. Make them unemployed.
This is an example of starting a shop on Etsy, making nothing, and starting with little to no investment.
http://www.etsy.com/shop/jade2090/sold?ref=shopinfo_sales_leftnav
Not jade but agate
http://www.etsy.com/listing/123518264/free-shipping-chinese-amulet-pendant?
Dyed and worthless. He is selling Agate, Bowenite, Dyed Chalcedony, and calling it Jade. Many items are dyed. A lot of stuff is made in China, cheap stuff.
Why is he even on Etsy? He is selling low grade bangles made in China. They don’t make this kind of stuff in Nepal where he is. Yes, they do do a lot of low grade stone carving that is mean to look like an antique. Sorry Etsy, but this guy with 1500 listings does not belong here.
How young do you have to be to think these are from the 1950s?
https://www.etsy.com/listing/124585760/vintage-1950s-decorative-bamboo-designed?
On Etsy’s front page right now. Don’t you hate it when sellers call 80s “Mid Century”?
https://www.etsy.com/listing/124826493/vintage-xxl-german-wall-clock-yellow?ref=fp_treasury_6
Upon closer inspection, the back sticker says, “Movement Made in Germany,” which tells me it was produced after reunification…not really 80s after all. I expect that from US sellers, but this one’s in Germany.
I have seen many of those earrings being sold in Chinese wholesale online sites such as aliexpress and dhgate. The earrings are mass produced, poorly manufactured, and substandard.
Sure looks like you don’t have or had a life (since you are not blogging anymore) What do you do or did? Looked at all the shops of people trying to make some money and reported them. What a stupid blog you have. You probably had a shop and never sold anything and are reflecting your envy by writting on this blog. Karma will come back to you.
We know you guys are into policing the reseller issue on Etsy, but not all of us who get shut down are resellers. After 4 years of selling on Etsy and 100% positive feedback, both our stores were shut down without any legitimate reason. All our story is here: http://wp.me/p3kXuD-V. Plus you’ll find other important facts in this blog including reselling and Etsy turning a blind eye.
We have also created a parody animation video portraying their practices:
This video is intended to bring a bit of laughter to all affected by these extreme creeps and educate the ones who have no clue about their practices. So check it out, enjoy it and share, share, share!
https://www.etsy.com/listing/126169702/dotty-the-flamingo-iphone-hard-case?ref=shop_home_feat
All of this lady’s iphone cases are dropshipped….and it even says it in the listing. Geez
As an Etsy member, and maker of every thing in my shop, what can I do to stop this? I make patchwork skirts, dresses and pants that take between 4 and 15 hours to make. Then I look at the competition that’s asking $20-$40 for factory generated pieces, I simply can’t compete. Isn’t everything on Etsy supposed to be hand made be an artisan? I just don’t get it. I thought the concept was to promote handmades. What am I missing?