Questioning Adia foundation/founders‏

14 Oct
EdCByer
EdCByer says:
…but there is one kind of artist I’d never want to support. So, before signing over my trust, dollars, and handmade goods to an internet acquaintance for a worthy cause, I’d personally want to investigate things a bit further…which I did, when I heard about a small baby’s plight. And I have a few questions as a result, the answers of which might be of interest to many loving, generous people here on Etsy. Because what I found was not only very disheartening, but of such a questionable nature on a much larger scale, that my husband asked that I not post this on a blog, but anonymously (to the extent possible). So I am posting my questions in here, along with links (which have backup screenshots) and am hoping (before this thread is closed) to discover some answers or at least alert many honest, kind-hearted people here to a significant problem:1. Why, when you lived in Oregon with Nicholas and your baby, was your name not Echo Vincent (a Pipl.com search comes up with no results in that state)—and when he wrote those Homestay ads through the Portland Homestay connnection, looking for a place to stay in Turkey, why did he say your name was Brittaney or Brittany (spelling two different ways on at least two different occasions)?

Homestay

Istanbul — Nicholas & Brittaney VIncent Avirett — 20 June 2008 …. Vancouver and Portland schools for a classic homestay this summer June to August 2008. …
www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/homestay/index.pl?noframes;…

http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/homestay/index.pl?read=11123
Find or offer homestay … By:Nicholas & Brittaney VIncent Avirett Date: … in the visual arts, and Nicholas in various musical fields. …

Private Tutors – any language –
English and Cultural Instruction in Turkey — Nicholas and Brittaney Avirett — 20 June 2008. Highly qualified American husband and wife team available for …
www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/tutors/index.pl?page=8
• Found on: http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/tutors/index.pl?page=8;read=19129

Underneatb tbat is a link entitled, “Writing Endeavors” which takes one to a page of poetry apparently jointly written by “Echo” and Nicholas:

http://passepartout.tumblr.com/

So apparently Brittaney = Echo Vincent (or = Echo Avirett, as in the case of the baptismal announcement here):

http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:jGbwwzhQh_sJ:www.oursaviouratlanta.org/Events.htm+Nicholas+Avirett&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

2. Why does that Homestay organization have so much fraud that readers are told:

“Please read before replying to any message or email: Fraud on homestay host using Western Union and Scam Alerts.”

***Scam alert page: http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/scamalerts/index.pl.
Scrolling through the list of scammers who’ve used this site is enough to make your eyes bleed. One listing simply links to a ream of known scam ploys used by some who’ve used this site: http://www.419scam.org/

***Going to that link, one of the common scams listed:

“Fake charity/ministry: An orphanage, pastor, NGO, etc. in an African country needs your cash.”

Well, that’s an interesting coincidence:

http://thestoryofadia.blogspot.com/

3. Why did you stay for such a short time in Turkey with that different name, and how much money did you raise for the plight of ‘the poor Roma peoples whose homes were being razed?’ A cause which you took on and wrote about for media release almost immediately upon your arrival in Istanbul?

http://unealouette.blogspot.com/2008/08/blog-post_23.html

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2008/08/379021.shtml

30.Aug.2008 02:29 news release:

From the Portland Independend Media—newswire article, with donations/support asked for via the dustcastles gmail address:

“Destruction Sulukule of Roma District in Istanbul: Call to Action!
author: echo june vincent e-mail:e-mail: dustcastles [!at] gmail.com

Call to action to raise awareness of and support for the Roma people of Sulukule district in Istanbul, Turkey, which is currently being demolished to make way for gentrification.

“As I write this, bulldozers raze the partially evacuated district of Sulukule, the home of the Roma community since the Byzantine period, and the first sedentary Roma settlement in the world in the 15th Century. The houses, the streets, the entire district of Sulukule are parts of an extraordinary monument that represents an age and an ancient people: a precious and priceless World Heritage Site.”…

It may be too late to save Sulukule, but we still need to raise awareness and support for the Roma peoples of Istanbul.”…

4. Why do you now go by Echo J. Vincent, the same unusual name as another 29-yr. old young mother who grew up in Montana—but who is obviously not you?

http://www.brucevincentspeaking.com/contact.htm (Listed as Personal Assistant to her dad, “Bruce Vincent”; married and now Echo Venn.)

And who is, interestingly enough, also involved in charitable work with her father Bruce Vincent:

http://www.providerpals.com/about_us/meet_the_team.htm

You can’t be this same Echo J. Vincent–you have been attributed Vancouver roots by your husband in the Homestay ads (though again, a pipl search for an Echo Vincent in Canada http://www.pipl.com/search/?FirstName=echo+&LastName=vincent&City=&State=&Country=&CategoryID=2&Interface=1
turns up empty), and you also have Canadian spelling in your blogs. Yet somewhere along the way you acquired the same very distinctive name as another Echo J. Vincent your age who got married prior to April 2007, whose surname was changed to Venn, and whose mother (?) with the SAME name (Echo J Vincent) was reported to the Social Security people as having died September 1, 2007. So I guess what I’m saying is, I’m a little curious about your Social Security number…

And when did you change your name? Seems you were still going by Brittany/Brittaney when your husband (who also goes by the name Nicholas Sheram many places online) posted his “New Member” inquiry (on a site he’d been a member of for 4 years) concerning your move to from Turkey to India:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/temple_cleaners/message/2225

Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:21 am

Nicholas Sheram <strayoff@…>
“strayoff” (online handle)

[Profile info when clicked: Name: Nicholas S, male, from Atlanta, member since June 6, 2004.]

Restoratives-NEW MEMBER ENQUIREY Message List
Reply | Forward Message #2225 of 3018 < Prev | Next >

Hello,

“My wife and I have recently moved to Kottayam in Kerala from America and are looking for a way to get involved with the community of our newly-found home. We have both been very interested in the ancient religion and culture of India ( hence our decision to move here) and would like to offer our services to the temple restoration group. My wife is a visual artist with experience in the restoration and maintenance of old works of art, and both of us have cultivated a long-standing interest and study of both Eastern and Western philosophy as well as the study of linguistics. We would like give our help in any projects we could be considered helpful in, as well as opening a channel for discussion of topics that are of interest to those who study the culture of ancient India.

We are available for any projects in the state of Kerala ( depending on our working schedule ) and the surrounding states.

We look forward to this chance to participate in the restoration and preservation of Indian culture and heritage.

Thank you,

Brittany (sic) and Nicholas Avirett

“For beauty is nothing but the beginning of terror, which we are still just able to endure,
and we are so awed because it serenely disdains to annihilate us.”
-Rilke”

5. I’d also like to know how much of my money would actually be supporting Adia, rather than pouring into the Hindu BAP that you and Nicholas are involved in, whether at the Swaminarayan Hindu Mandir in Portland:

http://unealouette.blogspot.com/2008_06_01_archive.html

or the one in Chicago, or at any of their worldwide mandirs:

http://www.baps.org/

According to your forum posts, you don’t want to name the Adia foundation ‘Gifts of God’ because you “don’t really want it to seem to have any particular religious affiliation.” http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6269004 . So, I guess I’d want to be assured of that, in that by the looks of the marble and gilding and new construction plans, (see photos # y080822-19f through 22f in the August photos at this link: http://www.baps.org/download/photo.htm#2008 ) a hungry baby in India could sure use the money more than this organization.

There are many, many more questions, but these 5 are probably an adequate start.

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6316244

1,682 Responses to “Questioning Adia foundation/founders‏”

  1. hmmmm October 14, 2009 at 2:52 pm #

    Maybe Trudy needs to move on and get over it. She has been on this self righteous kick and then sets up a sock puppet account.

    She should call the U.S. Embassy and get the facts rather than rely on the internet. If she donated a lot of money then she should contact the Embassy. If she feels others may have been ripped off then she should contact the Embassy. Otherwise, it just looks like she’s cyberstalking.

  2. Hmmm.. October 14, 2009 at 3:23 pm #

    Hey, that’s my anonymous name!

    By the way, I don’t think this is Trudy. Even if it was, some excellent points brought up here – why all the inconsistencies? Name changes? The whole thing is just odd.

    For the record, I have not made up my mind yet as to whether these folks are really scammers or they are just incredibly flaky. Maybe I never will.

  3. Seriously? October 14, 2009 at 3:53 pm #

    It’s not Trudy. Funny you should point the finger at her when others have questioned the validity of this “charity”. The writing styles are not even closely similar.

  4. just amazed October 14, 2009 at 4:49 pm #

    not trudy but someone did their research. wonder what is true anymore.

  5. forum rubbernecker October 14, 2009 at 5:25 pm #

    It’s most likely angelstuff/chantelle–isn’t she that one who kept harping on it? I just looked and strangely enough, she’s on “vacation til the end of October”, but ran to closed threads to post just as soon as the thread was up there. Avoiding blowback much?

    I’m still not getting what’s earth shattering here…

    meh.

  6. YadaYada October 14, 2009 at 5:54 pm #

    Can someone give the CLIFF NOTES version of this thang? I know it has something to do with someone named Nutmeg, some child dying of cancer, and many closed threads–anybody got a pithy summary of this etsy drama?

  7. kitten October 14, 2009 at 7:09 pm #

    I don’t think this is Trudy either, but whoever it is sure did their homework.

    I wish they would spell it out without all the links where you have to search.

    Either way, it doesn’t look good for nutmeg and company.

  8. EdCByer October 14, 2009 at 7:20 pm #

    This was not written by Trudy OR Chantelle OR Filbert OR anyone else you want to suggest; you’ve never heard from me before on this matter, as it only recently came to my attention. I am investigating this because I care about the Etsy community and I hate seeing people taking advantage of someone’s trust. And in this economy in particular, it pains me to see the many loving and generous people here whose time and money are being stolen as well as their good-faith trust in humanity.

  9. kitten October 14, 2009 at 7:39 pm #

    EdC (oh, just got it Etsy buyer!, duh!)

    Are you going to have another thread starting with Question 6? If so, looking forward to it.

    Thanks for taking the time to investigate this.

  10. EdCByer October 14, 2009 at 8:18 pm #

    Kitten, that won’t be possible on Etsy, as this ‘anonymous’ account got canceled with the thread closure. I’m not finished, yet, though, and I urge Etsians to do some of their own poking around. We want to believe the best of people, but the sad fact is, the internet has opened up new potential ways of conning people. Thankfully, it also gives us many tools for doing our homework.

  11. itsybitsy October 14, 2009 at 8:21 pm #

    that whole thing smells…

  12. kitten October 14, 2009 at 8:24 pm #

    The uludag (forgot name) thread was *it* for me. Once the nutmegs stooped to that level, I lost what little trust I had for them. I am astounded that so many blindly follow her. Maybe they don’t see a way out without looking foolish.

    Any possiblity you can do a follow-up thread… maybe by EdCBuyer2?

    I wonder if you will get any straight answers to your questions. My guess is no, but who knows, they sure are talented with cranking out bullshit.

  13. EdCByer October 14, 2009 at 8:39 pm #

    I’ll do what I can do, Kitten. If/when there’s anything more definitive, I’ll find a way to get it out.

    (I was thinking maybe, EdCSeller2…)

  14. EdCByer October 14, 2009 at 8:47 pm #

    And I’d like to amend my post up above; I should say “whose time and money MAY be being stolen, as well as their good-faith trust…” Nothing has been proven, here, and that was a misstatement; there are just many red flags at this point.

  15. BlackTear October 14, 2009 at 9:54 pm #

    Soooo… you are contemplating opening up another sockpuppet account to share additional information on Etsy?

    WTH?

    You all wanted Nutmeg and the whole Adia thing OFF of Etsy… why does everyone else keep bringing stuff up there?

  16. EdCByer October 14, 2009 at 10:52 pm #

    BlackTear, my EdCSeller2 comment was a joke. I’m not one for typing smiley faces, sorry that wasn’t obvious. It’d hardly be likely that the Etsy folk would let EdCSeller2 sign up without it raising an eyebrow.😉 If I have more to say on the matter, I will find a legit way to do so.

    And while Aida may not be in the forums, it’s hardly true that it is “off Etsy”. There are Adia “aunties” posting links to Adia blogs in their shop announcements, multiple treasuries dedicated to Adia, and at least one team, called the Adia Foundation: http: //team.etsy.com/viewteam.php?id=682 . If this cause is permeating Etsy, then it better well be legit or Etsy will have some serious egg on its face as well as some very disillusioned buyers/sellers/members.

  17. meh October 14, 2009 at 10:54 pm #

    this is as good a place as any to call them out.

    i’d like to hear more for sure.🙂

  18. forum rubbernecker October 14, 2009 at 11:32 pm #

    First, Chantelle, sorry! I thought it was you, but I guess not.
    As for “EdC”,
    Who the hell cares? If people want to throw their money down a rat hole, let them. Every day there’s a new cause to throw your money at. Participate, or don’t. But if you’re gonna go after the nutmegs, you need to go after all the other people asking for money too. There’s no proof they’re legit either. Remember Christine Francisco? People gave her a lot of money. A lot. Way more than anyone gave to the Adia cause. You can go to findthemissing.org and learn all about hubby dear. The problem with saying that someone is legit and someone else isn’t, is that there’s no way to tell for sure who’s legit. Every day someone’s in the forum asking for money, who’s to say who’s telling the truth? People want to give, and they give freely. Whether person A gives to person B, it’s none of person C’s business. Everyone needs to just mind their own damn business.

  19. forum rubbernecker October 14, 2009 at 11:34 pm #

    For the record, I have not made up my mind yet as to whether these folks are really scammers or they are just incredibly flaky. Maybe I never will.
    ________
    Me either. Gotten stung too many times, though, so don’t want to donate to anyone anymore.

  20. EdCByer October 15, 2009 at 12:23 am #

    forum rubbernecker:

    1. I’m not saying they are or are not legit…yet. I’m raising questions (and there are more).
    2. Who says I don’t ‘go after’ anyone else?
    3. I care. And I betcha there are some other people out there, too, that care about things like goodness, truth, and trust.

  21. hmmmm October 15, 2009 at 4:04 am #

    Sorry if I thought you were Trudy. Your writing style is so similar to hers.

    Irrespective of what you uncovered, if you feel there is fraud, you really need to call the U.S. Embassy. They can and will help if you contact them. Just call and ask to speak to someone who speaks fluent English. Each Embassy has staffers who do. You also can call the U.S. State Department.

    If you sincerely feel this is a scam, why not take it to the authorities to let them sort it out, rather than post a thread on Etsy with a sock puppet account? Do it quietly and do it the right way. If it’s a fraud, that’s up to the authorities to determine, not you.

    Your post is confusing but I gather you are alleging that these folks solicited money under the guise of a sick child and used those funds for another purpose in another country. That would constitute money laundering- a very serious crime.

    I would doubt you have gone to the authorities because you wouldn’t be posting your findings on the internet as I am sure they would have told you to keep quiet so that no tracks could be covered which could impede an investigation. In other words, if your sincere intention is to stop what you feel is fraudulent and/or possibly illegal activity- posting on the internet will not bring justice to those who may have been scammed. Only the law can do that.

    By going to the authorities, you are giving yourself complete impunity should any of your allegations not pan out. Posting on the internet won’t and you could be subjecting yourself to legal ramifications if you are wrong. And yes- you can be easily tracked.

    I guess you need to determine what your real intentions are.

    PS- Sorry bout the same name Hmmm, hmmmm has been my screen name for chatting since 1999 and was my email address in my college days.

  22. Bedazzled Condom October 15, 2009 at 7:07 am #

    If I were dumb enough to believe everything I hear online, and simple enough to send money to someone who wouldn’t recognize the truth if it bit her on her tattooed hipster nipples, I hope I would at least be smart enough to acknowledge my stupidity at some point and wise enough to acknowledge that , yes, I am embarassed to be so stupid but at least the shame should prevent me from making such an asinine mistake again in the future.

    I also hope I would have the grace to appreciate those who are willing to out on a limb and do something.

    Then again, I might just be too much of a dumbass to do any of those things. Instead, I might lash out. I might try to shoot the messenger, if only I were smart enough to know how to load a gun. I might use the old “IT’S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS EVEN THOUGH IT ALL TOOK PLACE ON ETSY AND HAS ONLY CAUSED MISERY AND DISRUPTION ON ETSY EVER SINCE JUST DON’T DONATE IF YOU DON’T WANT TO DONATE WHAT ABOUT NICHOLAS FRANCO REMEMBER WHEN HIS WIFE STOLE ALL THAT MONEY AND HE RAN OFF TO JOIN AN ALL MALE KNITTING GROUP WELL THAT MAKES THIS ALL OKAY SO JUST SHUT UP STOP REMINDING ME THAT I AM A DUMBASS I JUST WANTED EVERYONE TO BELIEVE THAT I AM A GOOD PERSON.”

    I hope Echo and her Bunnyman are having a good time at the festival!

  23. PussDaddy October 15, 2009 at 7:49 am #

    I was not aware until right this minute that you were covering this. I picked it up and ran with it, too. Not only that, we caught nutmegclick lying about her items.

    http://pussdaddyblogs.blogspot.com/2009/10/more-nutmegclickadia-in-india-crap.html

    In this listing she claims to have restored these vintage nesting dolls, going so far as to say she took up apprenticeship from a master toy maker to be able to do it. Check out the last picture on the right that she wants you to believe restored to new. It will be fucking hilarious to you in just a moment

    http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=17632385

    Now check out this online shop that is run by nutmegclick and her husband. It actually has his name on it as being run by them and there you can buy hundreds of these same dolls.

    The dolls
    http://www.alibaba.com/product/in106927838-106468683-0/Wooden_Nesting_dolls.html

    His name on it

    http://www.alibaba.com/member/in106927838/aboutus.html

    http://www.alibaba.com/member/in106927838/contactinfo.html

    I said from the get go this whole Adia thing was a scam, and I removed the link from my blog after a few days. People who will go to these lengths to make a few bucks on Etsy will go to greater lengths if more money is involved, or if they think there might be. She used a camera and some flowery writing to list these dolls and make people think they are vintage and she restored them. All she has to do is locate a woman with a starving child in India, they ususally beg in the same area because they know they can make money, and take their picture and make up a story. The woman probably lets her picture be taken because nutmeg is a foriegner and a novelty to them, and maybe she even drops a penny or two on this woman for the privilege. At this point I am not so sure that this child is not being used, and not just by her mother to beg.

    PussDaddy

  24. EdCByer October 15, 2009 at 9:51 am #

    hmmm, I appreciate your comments. Please read all my post; I have alleged nothing. I raised questions, and your inferences will be your own. And there is nothing to ‘keep secret’ here; the info in my post is available for free to anyone with a computer.

    bedazzled, this may make you angry, and I very much appreciate your comments of support for my raising my questions, but I am not comfortable with this turning into something that vilifies someone–especially when those questions are unanswered, and aren’t likely to be, in here. This is rather a post to ponder, though I understand it will touch deep emotional hot buttons. But if it turns ugly, WordPress will ask for this to be deleted, as they should.

    And for now I’m done posting; take care, all.

  25. PussDaddy October 15, 2009 at 10:05 am #

    It’s ok. I have enough alleges of my own to share with everybody.

    PussDaddy

  26. PussDaddy October 15, 2009 at 10:58 am #

    Nutmegclick has 3 shops: nutmegclick, nutmegclicks, and pulpindia, but nowhere does she declare all of her shops in any of her shop policies, or shop profile or shop announcement or even shop listings.

    PussDaddy

  27. Mary October 15, 2009 at 11:39 am #

    Holy Sh*t

    I honestly didn’t expect that from nutmeg. Reselling as homemade.

    I can’t wait to see the “aunties” defend this one. Same thing as the people who defended shade. I am curious to see how long it takes for them to admit to being duped.

  28. callinoutetsy October 15, 2009 at 11:44 am #

    wow this is so sad =(
    I was so close to donating profits from my shop to this cause but I mean how can you just look at all this information and just shrug it off? I completely understand that this is all *MAYBE* until it is confirmed but that’s a helluvalot of *maybes* and the post by pussdaddy, well that one doesn’t seem to be a maybe at all…this is depressing all these people crying wolf in etc for money, when the real child is in dire need and someone with honest intentions posts they wont get any help at all.

  29. watchingwithinterest October 15, 2009 at 11:57 am #

    What will be revealed next.

    Those who have been warning others may have saved many kind hearted Etsy members being duped and restricted the collection of money significantly. Has anyone seen their Treasurer recently, is she keeping away because she has seen the light.

  30. PussDaddy October 15, 2009 at 12:16 pm #

    Who was the treasurer by the way?

    Also, you guys know that I outed them for shilling as well already, too, right?

    http://pussdaddyblogs.blogspot.com/2009/09/etsy-buyer-uludag-mocks-another-etsian.html

    I hate to keep leaving my own blog links on someone else’s blog, it seems so, I don’t know, spammy. But I have only left them like that on this nutmeg crap as typing all of this out is a PITA and I am very sick as well and not up to doing it. In fact I will probably regret tomorrow having done what all I did today. So I just want to say thanks to the blog master of this blog for allowing my comments through with my blog links on them. They do add to the conversation though and are not intended as spam.

    PussDaddy

  31. interesting October 15, 2009 at 12:18 pm #

    I am very interested to see where this all leads.

    also, it might be interesting if someone posted her ‘nesting dolls’ scam thing under the comments here:

    http://www.handmadenews.org/article/index.php?id=3601

    since there is a whole article about the adia foundation.

  32. BlackTear October 15, 2009 at 12:18 pm #

    I won’t defend Nutmeg if she’s reselling on Etsy…

    And EdC…
    if you choose to ‘go after’ the others, well, just let me know. I can help with information for at least one of them.

    Heck, Chantelle can even get a 1-on-1 with me if she wants, since she’ll be in Edmonton for the next little bit.

  33. watchingwithinterest October 15, 2009 at 12:30 pm #

    “I can’t wait to see the “aunties” defend this one. Same thing as the people who defended shade. I am curious to see how long it takes for them to admit to being duped.”

    Its natural to be reluctant to admit to being made a fool of by a liar, its very hard to prove or disprove things especially events in another country but in general if someone lies to gain a financial advantage, as with the nesting dolls, its a good indication that other things they have said that don’t add up are also lies.

  34. PussDaddy October 15, 2009 at 1:24 pm #

    I think above all one way to look at it is not that you have been duped if you were drawn into this and it ends up playing out badly, but to keep in mind that it is often not that you were “played” so to speak, nor does it very much matter what the recipient did with what you donated, but rather what counts most is the spirit in which whatever you gave was given. If it was given in good spirit you have nothing to be ashamed of and everything to be proud of and it is my belief that if you give pure of heart it comes back to you in blessings.

    However I have no advice for those who see a derailment coming and just keep plugging away out of sheer stubborness and unwillingness to accept what is.

    PussDaddy

  35. Gern Blanston October 15, 2009 at 1:53 pm #

    I smelled a rat from day one.

  36. PussDaddy October 15, 2009 at 2:01 pm #

    Also, on that shilling link I left where her husband uludag is pretending not to know her while simultaneously backing her up, what exactly are they doing? Well I’ll be darn, is it any surprise they are once again trying to raise money in one form or another and involve a bunch of people in doing so and get them all worked up about feeling sorry for a bunch of poor people in another country and interested in their charitable work? These people have not fooled me from jump street. Even though they are talking about a collective here, this thread is ultimately designed to instill into the minds of the good people of the forum that nutmegclick is all about charity and giving and kumbaya’ing the hell all over the place so that this is what gets planted in people’s heads. It makes them more accepting as time goes on and next thing you know people are falling all over themselves and can’t get their fast enough to give away money and items and stuff so they can show they are just as charitable and wantint to help as well. It is simply a tag-team con artist team hard at work doing what they do best, and IMHO that is all it is.

    PussDaddy

  37. Stacey October 15, 2009 at 2:02 pm #

    http://blog.coriandr.com/2009/08/03/featured-seller-nutmegclick/
    Unless that is the lily white hand of impoverished Indian slave labor, nutmeg has painted at least ONE of her restored vintage toys.

  38. Bedazzled Condom October 15, 2009 at 2:07 pm #

    “Unless that is the lily white hand of impoverished Indian slave labor, nutmeg has painted at least ONE of her restored vintage toys.”

    Isn’t that a nice touch? She poses with one of her dresses on the sewing machine too.

    Too bad it’s all bullshit. Look closer.

    “I am not comfortable with this turning into something that vilifies someone–especially when those questions are unanswered, and aren’t likely to be, in here. This is rather a post to ponder, though I understand it will touch deep emotional hot buttons.”

    LMAO! Nice try.

  39. PussDaddy October 15, 2009 at 2:20 pm #

    Stacey, look at the doll link I left before.

    http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=17632385

    See the last picture, the one all beaten up she apprenticed with a master toy maker to restore according to her? It is not even the same damn shap as the finished product. Not only is is not the same shape, the beaten up one has a rim around the bottom, while the finished one is cylyndrical and smooth. So what if she restored one vintage toy. And I don’t even know if that is her hand. She sure as hell didn’t restore the one I left a link to did she? And having restored one vintage toy in her fucking lifetime negates her listing being a fraud and her being a liar and dismisses the website with her husband’s name on it where you can order hundreds of the dolls how? How does painting one toy make all her shops kosher as far as disclosure? And how does it negate the shilling she and her husband uludag are doing? So what, she might have painted a wooden rabbit sometime in her lifetime. Big whoop.

    PussDaddy

  40. PussDaddy October 15, 2009 at 2:28 pm #

    None of her vintage ephemera is vintage either, IMHO. I have read that they use way substandard paper than other parts of the world and the stuff she sells rolls of the press looking just like it does right now.

    Back to the white hand-is she the only white woman in India? I mean she was wanting to get together a collective and sell fair trade stuff, things made by other artists . See in this thread here where he is backing her up while pretending not to know her?
    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6132639&page=6
    Maybe those people have hands too, and maybe a set of them are white, and maybe they are not even her hands. I mean for god sakes all these other charity workers she is talking about probably have fucking hands.

    PussDaddy

  41. PussDaddy October 15, 2009 at 2:37 pm #

    And, if you want my honest opinion, and even if you don’t want it, that blog link Stacey left
    http://blog.coriandr.com/2009/08/03/featured-seller-nutmegclick/
    on it you will find the only statement that nutmeg has ever made that I think even comes close to telling an iota of truth:

    I am the mute daughter of a wanderer who was born in the alps and ran away with a clan of clever gypsies to join the circus in Moscow where I fell in love with a communist who left me in Prague, swept away by a mob.

    Because I am just going to come out with it, when I first saw the both of them they both reminded me of gypsies, or even those people they call Travellers, who all they do is travel around and scam people. There is always a kernel of truth in every lie, that makes it easier to remember the lie you told.

    PussDaddy

  42. PussDaddy October 15, 2009 at 2:41 pm #

    Where is the posing on the sewing machine picture, bedazzled condom? I can’t find it.

    PussDaddy

  43. EdCByer October 15, 2009 at 3:16 pm #

    bedazzled, not sure what you meant by this:

    “Too bad it’s all bullshit. Look closer.

    ‘I am not comfortable with this turning into something that vilifies someone–especially when those questions are unanswered, and aren’t likely to be, in here. This is rather a post to ponder, though I understand it will touch deep emotional hot buttons.’

    LMAO! Nice try.”

    …but if you’re implying that I am Echo simply because I, too, use 4-syllable words, use a little logic. A house divided against itself cannot stand. I doubt highly that Echo would find these questions being brought to light as helpful to her cause (whatever that is). The blogspot blog from which I got some of this info was listed last in her blogs only as “…”. That doesn’t exactly invite looking into.

    And, hopefully, I’m not flowery.😉

  44. beenwatching October 15, 2009 at 3:17 pm #

    I’ve followed the whole “Adia thing” from the beginning and have said nothing until today. I’d started to wonder about Nutmeg after she ‘burst’ onto the Etsy forums as a charismatic frequent poster who quickly developed a small cult-like following, which seemed off to me then but little cults happen a lot on Etsy so it wasn’t *that* odd.
    The Adia threads in Etc. were a fine bit of soap opera to follow, I had to type/delete multiple times. The whole thing reeked of confusion, disorganization, fawning, praising, and apparently ignorance that much of the region lives in dire conditions and the child is not that unusual.
    I’d like to add that I find it quite amusing that the couples’ child is named “Lark”. Lark is not only a lovely bird, but also:
    –noun
    1. a merry, carefree adventure; frolic; escapade.
    2. innocent or good-natured mischief; a prank.
    3. something extremely easy to accomplish, succeed in, or to obtain: That exam was a lark.
    –verb (used without object)
    4. to have fun; frolic; romp.
    5. to behave mischievously; play pranks.

  45. EdCByer October 15, 2009 at 3:18 pm #

    PS. If you do look into that blog, be careful; there are many little suspicious black links when you move your cursor on the poetry/writing pages. I’m no geek, but my instincts tell me it wouldn’t be advisable to click those.

    And now, I’m really outta here.

  46. PussDaddy October 15, 2009 at 3:40 pm #

    I did notice and point out the Lark thing myselfn my own blog. And I am not sure if it is legit but I didn’t click on it anyway, but I had gone to the site where he was selling the nesting dolls, and I sent an email that said “Busted!” and not 10 minutes later I get an email from Paypal saying

    It’s true. For just $1.50, you could transfer $300 to India, for example, when you use your bank account or PayPal balance. The prices to transfer money abroad with PayPal are shockingly low— and this is the safer way to do it!

    Compare PayPal fees to anyone else’s—we’re lower!
    $1.50 to send $300 to India, Mexico and Philippines
    $3 to send $300 to Australia

    I forwarded it to spoof. Who knows it may be legit, but it just seem like bad timing to me.

    PussDaddy

  47. jc October 15, 2009 at 3:46 pm #

    this whole thing is so sad….I kind of liked nutmeg. Her posts always seemed well thought out. Does a child named Aidia (sp?) even exist at this point?

  48. Bedazzled Condom October 15, 2009 at 3:53 pm #

    “…but if you’re implying that I am Echo simply because I, too, use 4-syllable words, use a little logic.”

    Are you high? I did nothing of the kind.

    Try READING. It helps!

  49. PussDaddy October 15, 2009 at 3:53 pm #

    Oh, A child probably exists. Her name could be Puddin’ Tane though for all we know. This is not going to win me a lot of fans either, but have I ever cared about that:
    This family is so homely and fugly that it doesn’t suprise me that they had to go seek out a child somewhere else to keep throwing up in our faces to garner sympathy. I mean for reals, talk about getting beat with an ugly stick, they used the whole damn forrest on them. Each one is more unattractive than the last one.

    Boo! Hiss! Boo, PussDaddy, Boo!

    Not that I am any prize either mind you. But daayuuuum!

    PussDaddy

  50. PussDaddy October 15, 2009 at 3:56 pm #

    I had no idea what your post meant either Bedazzled Condom and asked for clarification as I could not find the sewing machine picture let alone what I was supposed to see when I found it, but it did not get moderated through.

    PussDaddy

  51. PussDaddy October 15, 2009 at 4:07 pm #

    On that blog link where she is restoring the puppet it only shows a person’s hands doing it with no head. What is she, the headless fucking horseman?

    PussDaddy

  52. Storm October 15, 2009 at 4:23 pm #

    What a scamming cunt.

  53. Nobody Understands My Pain Either October 15, 2009 at 4:25 pm #

    It’s weird that she was able to dig through all of that stuff and managed to find all five pieces of the nesting doll set here: http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=17632385

    And then the EXACT SAME THING HAPPENED AGAIN: http://www.coriandr.com/item?item=3059

    I think it might have happened to this guy, too: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nesting-Dolls-Set-Five-Asian-Wooden/dp/B001B5DLTA

    I don’t really know anything about the Adia thing – I’m a pessimist, so I use charitynavigator.org to research charities before I donate to them. However, these listings lead me to believe that she might be a reseller and resellers are aggravating.

    In addition, I used to carry Indian pop art in my brick and mortar – there are several companies that reproduce it.

    “Vintage” poster: http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=19333944

    Not so vintage posters: http://www.kananda.com/Wallcharts.htm
    http://www.mcphee.com/shop/products/Parts-of-the-Body-Indian-Poster.html

    I had these in my store as well:
    http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=27800925

    At the time, they were sold by a company called Accoutrements. They no longer carry them, but I found some similar items:

    http://www.aaffreen.com/pages/facc_bags_canvas1.htm

    http://cgi.ebay.com/INDIA-Yoga-Hindu-Eco-Boho-Shopping-Bag-Tote-Purse-SHIVA_W0QQitemZ300348388134QQcategoryZ13772QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3907.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D12%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D54

    It’s hard to believe that someone recycled a vinyl banner and somehow managed to create these identical items:
    http://www.coriandr.com/item?item=3226
    http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=18802653

    It kind of sucks – I had her marked as a favorite seller for the vintage books- I probably wouldn’t have thought twice about most of her items if it weren’t for all of the attention brought on by the Adia thing. Also, no matter what is true and is not true, I really hope that something good came out of this for that little girl.

  54. Gern Blanston October 15, 2009 at 4:35 pm #

    I agree with Storm. And beenwatching.

  55. Chantelle October 15, 2009 at 10:20 pm #

    I’d wondered when someone was going to falsely accuse me of being EDCBuyer. I was surprised that this someone was you, forum rubbernecker. Thanks for your apology.

    The ADIA team treasurer is Briaberger.
    EDCBuyer, thank you for bringing all of this to people’s attention. There’s something very fishy in the land of nutmeg. Between her reseller items and shops… I don’t know. Before nutmegclick was on its most recent vacation, many items were shipping from the us, not india. Things just get weirder and weirder.

  56. Chantelle October 15, 2009 at 10:29 pm #

    I wondered when someone was going to falsely accuse me of being EDCBuyer. I was surprised that this someone was you, forum rubbernecker. Thank you for your apology.

    Briaberger is Team ADIA’s treasurer.

    The whole nutmeg thing is getting stranger and stranger what with reselling items and multiple shops. Before nutmegclick’s last vacation, many items were listed as shipping from the US, not India. Those items appear to be gone now, at least.

    I get the feeling that nutmeg feels free to do as she wishes even if that’s against the rules.

  57. PussDaddy October 16, 2009 at 12:19 am #

    Nobody Understands My Pain Either, isn’t she just the luckiest person in the world? Imagine, finding the same damn thing and all it’s parts not once, but over and over. Good Karma surely smiles on nutsack, doesn’t it? I often have trouble and can’t even find something I dropped 5 seconds ago, so maybe I should hire her as a Finder Of Things.

    Also, I wanted to say that the paypal email I received was legit. It was just weird timing on their part. If my main goal was to be “out to get” nutmeg or whatever I would skip telling you all of this and just leave it as I posted it before, because you can be sure that now all those who still want to believe will jump on my being wrong about this email and how this must mean I have never been right about anything in my life including any of this. To them I would just say whatever, go buy something from her if you have complete confidence that one day you won’t find that someone is now wandering Katmandu using your name, considering all their name changes and crap.

    PussDaddy

  58. Jenn October 16, 2009 at 4:19 am #

    I loved reading nutmeg’s posts and found her to be a nice presence in etc – especially with all the harpies who frequent etc.

    I read the Adia threads with sympathy and interest, but didn’t donate to ‘the cause’ because something seemed ‘off’ about it.

    Now reading all these comments and threads, etc about the nutmegs’ duplicity makes me glad I didn’t get involved.

    I didn’t want to believe that she was pulling one over on etc, but I can’t think otherwise when presented with these links.

    It’s a sad situation all around.

    And to the person who asked if Adia really exists – yes, she does – there are millions of “Adias” in India who desperately need help, just not the kind of ‘help’ that has been presented to us.

    This whole thing has inspired me – am now going to make a UNICEF donation.

  59. lexie October 16, 2009 at 4:44 am #

    The hands are definitely Nutmeg’s. Just look at the filthy bitten down nails.

    The fact that she can hold a rabbit in one hand and a paintbrush in the other does not mean that the two have ever come together. All just another way of showing us that she restores them herself.

    If she and her husband had any scruples at all they would leave Etsy voluntarily but no doubt they won’t.

  60. Not Really Surprised October 16, 2009 at 4:59 am #

    Jenn you are so right in that there are millions of such children around the World, not only in India. Donating to recognised, registered and legally run charities is better than giving in blind faith to someone you think you know because they have been building up a relationship of trust by posting entertaining threads in an internet forum for a few months.

    This is the classic internet scam tactic, build up friendship and believing followers, mention something tragic, mention the cost but don’t ask for help. The followers will rally round and organise the fund raising for you like the good friends you have made them.

    I also thought there was something strange from the very first posts but kept quiet and was glad I did when those who dared question anything were torn to shreds publicly and in such a horrible way.

    Many things were warnings, for example when she named Mr. Nutmeg’s father’s church and FancyPants said it was near her and she would go, instantly Nutmeg said she got the church wrong and it was another one, presumably further away, so Fancy offered to go there and Nutmeg became evasive – warning lights flashing everywhere.

    One minute the Aunt was pregnant then the next it was the Mother who was pregnant and the Aunt was forgotten and her pregnancy not mentioned again. Flash, flash of warning lights.

    Vague details mixed with miles of flowery words so it was difficult to know precisely what she was claiming covered up any inaccuracies.

    I often wondered about the range of items Nutmeg sells and how anyone can tell whether any of them are really vintage or made by her, I remember a thread in which she was asking if she could sell locally embroidered items on behalf of the women – that was a few weeks before Adia and her idea of the family earning money by embroidery that she could sell. I think maybe she has a good source of cheap embroidery she wants to sell but perhaps cannot work out how to pass them off as her work or vintage so selling to help Adia’s family would be a good idea that wouldn’t raise complaints.

    Now the faithful are epected to believe that a friend Rahul and his Uncle Sagar Dhara are taking care of Adia and her family while Nutmeg is doing good work in Nepal. I assume these people are those who must not be named, when I saw them named on Closed Threads I googled and found a Sagar Dhara in Hyderabad, there is an address and telephone number for him on line, this man is involved in environment and climate issues. Is he really running around looking after Nutmeg’s beggar family even now they are some distance from Hyderabad if he is the same one?

    There were a lot of posts made by the Auntys in their private forum yesterday, more than usual. it seems omething has aroused their interest.

  61. pussdaddyblogs October 16, 2009 at 6:35 am #

    Tear me to fucking shreds, I didn’t care yesterday, I don’t care now and I won’t care later, lol.

    PussDaddy

  62. kitten October 16, 2009 at 7:29 am #

    PussDaddy Says:
    And I am not sure if it is legit but I didn’t click on it anyway, but I had gone to the site where he was selling the nesting dolls, and I sent an email that said “Busted!” and not 10 minutes later I get an email from Paypal saying

    It’s true. For just $1.50, you could transfer $300 to India, for example, when you use your bank account or PayPal balance. The prices to transfer money abroad with PayPal are shockingly low— and this is the safer way to do it!
    _______________________

    Pussdaddy, I don’t think it was a coincidence that you got that PayPal email about sending money to India. I think because you sent an email from the link (or using the email address) in the nesting doll website, it triggered that PP email to ease your concerns that it won’t cost you a fortune to send the nutmegs $300.00. It’s just a mere $1.50! LOL

  63. lexie October 16, 2009 at 7:31 am #

    Oh brilliant. I was worried about how much it was going to cost me to send them my hard earned cash. Glad to know it will only be another $1.50. lol

  64. Bedazzled Condom October 16, 2009 at 7:43 am #

    “The fact that she can hold a rabbit in one hand and a paintbrush in the other does not mean that the two have ever come together.”

    Bingo.

  65. Bedazzled Condom October 16, 2009 at 7:48 am #

    “There were a lot of posts made by the Auntys in their private forum yesterday, more than usual.”

    Let me guess. These aren’t the brightest bulbs in the pack so my guess would be they’re collectively ignoring the writing on the wall and collectively rallying around Echo or Brittany or whatever the fuck her name is now and trying desperately to come up with a good story to cover the LIES and THEFT.

  66. lexie October 16, 2009 at 7:58 am #

    Nutmegclick has already been into their private forum today but didn’t post.

  67. Hmmm.. October 16, 2009 at 8:07 am #

    If you look at the posts in their forums, you will see the last post Nutmeg made was yesterday and was basically asking someone to photoshop her daughter’s hand out of a picture and put in Adia’s. She posted it so casually, as if that is not a totally wrong thing to do! I hope no one is dishonest enough to really do that for her. If they do, then maybe we have more than one person in on this deal.

  68. forum rubbernecker October 16, 2009 at 8:17 am #

    I wondered when someone was going to falsely accuse me of being EDCBuyer. I was surprised that this someone was you, forum rubbernecker. Thank you for your apology.
    ________

    Your welcome. This whole thing is just one big clusterfuck after another.

  69. Yaya October 16, 2009 at 8:18 am #

    Where are the aunties now? Funny they haven’t made it here yet to defend her.

    As a person who purchased an item from nutmeg’s shop a couple of months back (before the shit hit the fan) I noticed that there was a different name for everything: one name on the paypal account, another on the package’s return address. Then her online name of echo turned up. It got me thinking.

  70. lexie October 16, 2009 at 8:20 am #

    That was the one you saw. There are plenty of hidden posts. Watch the numbers click up but there is nothing showing for today that you can read.

    They have a private place on the forum for those and such as those where they can discuss all the nasty things we are saying about them.

    Just counted up. Close to $1300 on Etsy as charity listings definitely for Adia and some that might be but I have not listed them. Admittedly some of these only give part of the money to Adia but some give it all. Those are only the ones not sold. Doesn’t say how many items have been sold.

    This is big, big, big. Not just a few dollars here and there.

  71. Hmmm.. October 16, 2009 at 8:31 am #

    I see – well, hopefully they are coming to their senses. It’s hard to admit you’ve been swindled. I gave to this “cause” and I admit i was stupid to do it – of course look at me posting here with an anonymous name…haha!

    Someone is having some fun with my money during festival time, but it sure ain’t me!

  72. shameonyou October 16, 2009 at 8:32 am #

    from the Adia forums posted by nutmegclick
    here is the link
    http://adiainindia.com/forum/index.php?topic=147.msg2105;topicseen#msg2105

    it says
    “if i cannot, as i may not be able to, get to my photos in Hyderabad in time, would this be a good substitute? it’s at the Buddhist Dharma Temple here in K-du. but again, i do so want something with Adia’s hand. wonder if some super-cropping-ninja work could do it?”

    love,
    nutmeg

    *RED FLAG*

  73. lexie October 16, 2009 at 8:38 am #

    There have been six posts in their forum within the last hour or so but nothing is showing up so they are obviously talking about something in private.

  74. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 8:40 am #

    shameonyou… that photoshop request is for an ART project. What exactly are you worried about?

  75. shameonyou October 16, 2009 at 8:43 am #

    cropping the hand of a child who is *hopefully* at this point getting some kind of help for a picture whether it is for a personal project or for something for sale raises the question “Has this been done before?” , are the pictures in her blog of this child legit? but then again you might be right nothing to worry about, still raises the question.

  76. Yaya October 16, 2009 at 8:43 am #

    One thing that sucks about etsy is that you can’t search completed items. If you could you could see how many things have been sold for this “charity”. I’m wondering what the numbers are, too.

  77. kitten October 16, 2009 at 8:45 am #

    BlackTear Says:

    shameonyou… that photoshop request is for an ART project.
    ________

    Can you explain the project here BlackTear?

  78. lexie October 16, 2009 at 8:46 am #

    I shudder to think given that this has been running for well over a month.

    Poor people who have listed their hand made items to give all or part of the proceeds to Adia when the instigator of the whole thing only goes to a box and takes a bought in item out of it and lists that for the cause.

  79. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 8:48 am #

    It is Keala’s Calendar Projects featuring ‘HANDS’… Nutmeg just thought Adia’s hands would be a nice addition.

  80. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 8:55 am #

    If you all are concerned about photo-shopped images, get a digital artist who is good at it to take a look. Altering a digital image leaves certain ‘artifacts’ that can be noticeable to someone who knows what to look for.

    I’d do it, but then… I’m involved and you all will just call me a fraud as well.

  81. Not Really Surprised October 16, 2009 at 8:57 am #

    Oh they must have been reading this. Their forum is in maintenance mode. Cleaning up the evidence?

  82. Hmmm.. October 16, 2009 at 8:58 am #

    Adia’s hands might be a nice addition, if it were a real photo!

    Come on! You don’t see any dishonestly there? Especially when all we have to prove any of this really happened is photographs?

  83. Chantelle October 16, 2009 at 8:59 am #

    Blacktear, even if it’s for an art project, it would be dishonest to photoshop in the child’s hands. It’s one thing to clean up a picture, but it’s quite another to change the picture in this way.

    Forum rubbernecker, you’re right that this is a huge clusterfuck. It’s sad that something that could have done so much good has turned out this way.

    OT – are you a horror movie fan, Blacktear (or anyone else in Edmonton)? If so, there’s a horror movie festival this weekend at the Metro. Last night was awesome!

  84. sb October 16, 2009 at 9:01 am #

    Back in the early 90s when Saddam poison-gassed the Kurds in Iran, there was a huge charity appeal in the UK to help. I was heart broken by the stuff I saw, and gave far more money than I could really afford.

    The guy who arranged it all was Jeffrey Archer, a British MP. The Kurds got – well, nothing, I think. He went to prison eventually.

    (But he pops up on daytime telly now and then. Meh. )

    Anything is possible, it seems. Both up high and down low.

  85. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 9:01 am #

    Not Really Surprised… well, you’d like to think that, eh? This is what I am ACTUALLY doing…

    “Optimize all tables

    This task allows you to optimize all tables. This will get rid of overhead, effectively making the tables smaller in size and your forum faster!”

  86. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 9:09 am #

    Chantelle, one photo-shop request does NOT equate to every photo posted by Nutmeg as illegitimate. Doing photo-manipulations myself as an artform, I do NOT think it’s dishonest to do this request for an ART project. It’s not going to the news media, it’s not being used to solicit donations… it’s one artistic photo in a calendar, along with other art.

  87. Chantelle October 16, 2009 at 9:10 am #

    BlackTear, you’re Bonita/Svartr? Nice to meet you again🙂

  88. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 9:10 am #

    Oooh, OT: not really a horror fan. Glad you’re enjoying it! Also happy that the weather will be nicer today… too freaking early for snow IMO.

  89. Bedazzled Condom October 16, 2009 at 9:16 am #

    So, BlackTear, can you fill us in on what is currently being discussed in the Adia private forum?

    Surely if everything IS on the up and up, there’s no harm in a little transparency, is there?

  90. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 9:17 am #

    “BlackTear, you’re Bonita/Svartr? Nice to meet you again”

    Ah, likewise. Yes, this is Bonita… Greets!

  91. Chantelle October 16, 2009 at 9:19 am #

    BlackTear, I didn’t suggest that altering this one photo implies that all of nutmeg’s photos are illegitimate.
    I know this is for an art piece. I guess it’s just that changing the photo to include the child’s hands instead of nutmeg’s daughter’s hands feels sort of manipulative to me.

  92. lexie October 16, 2009 at 9:22 am #

    Just found this website.

    Handmade and vintage items UK.

    Guess who turned up with those wonderful vintage stacking dolls?

    http://www.coriandr.com/shop?seller_id=866

  93. lexie October 16, 2009 at 9:25 am #

    That poor man walking on the banks of the ganges with all those toys on his head. Must have been so relieved to get rid of them all. lol

  94. Chantelle October 16, 2009 at 9:26 am #

    OT – it’s about time the weather got better here. The horror movie fest makes this trip much more bearable – I’m here to help my mom after surgery, and while she’s fine, it’s been very tiring.

  95. kitten October 16, 2009 at 9:31 am #

    Hmmm.. Says:
    Adia’s hands might be a nice addition, if it were a real photo!

    Come on! You don’t see any dishonestly there? Especially when all we have to prove any of this really happened is photographs?

    Chantelle Says:
    Blacktear, even if it’s for an art project, it would be dishonest to photoshop in the child’s hands. It’s one thing to clean up a picture, but it’s quite another to change the picture in this way.
    _______________

    You’re both exactly right. Amazing, isn’t it, lol!

    If this is acceptable to BlackTear and the others, then I guess it’s no surprise this has gone on this long. Maybe it isn’t ok with the others, nutmeg is the one who asked…. maybe they don’t want to question publically.

    The nutmegs can’t even follow Etsy rules… shilling , opening sock puppet accounts, listing reseller stuff as handmade, calling out others in their threads, etc… all the things you jump on others for and you think she is telling the truth about Adia?? All because she can spin a load of lying crap into flowerly words?? Come on, you can’t all be that stupid, can you?

    Mrs. Nutmeg has publically admitted (on the Etsy forums) she sees nothing wrong with stealing (if you steal from the right people) and used to do so herself to take some sort of stand. Looks like old habits are hard to break.

    If the auntys want to continue with the charity, the logical thing to do would be to ask the nutmegs to resign. With their names associated, it will forever be tainted as a fraud and scam.

  96. kitten October 16, 2009 at 9:34 am #

    BlackTear Says:

    I do NOT think it’s dishonest to do this request for an ART project. It’s not going to the news media, it’s not being used to solicit donations… it’s one artistic photo in a calendar, along with other art.
    _____________

    Are you going to sell the calendars?

  97. Chantelle October 16, 2009 at 9:36 am #

    Lexie – interesting that she says she’s in the US in that store.

    Given all the items that she did have in her shop that said they shipped from the US, I wonder where she is… Tibet, India, the US? Maybe someone else ships for her from the US? Or maybe she can’t keep track of all of her reseller shops and her item locations?

  98. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 9:37 am #

    Chantelle – I guess I can see your point… and will pass that on. I’m not even sure Nutmeg was even going to caption the photo with, “This is Adia’s hand!” or the like so I didn’t really see it from another perspective other than art.

    I hope your mother feels better – Do not tire yourself out too much.

    Bedazzled – so you want me to be your little insider whore and give you all the juicy details of what the Board members discuss in private, eh?

  99. kitten October 16, 2009 at 9:40 am #

    Sitting alongside the on the Ganges one fine summer day, I caught sight of a man with piles of colour laden upon his head. On closer inspection I discovered he carried a burden of delightful wooden toys. Faded, battered and with chipping paint, he was taking them to the burning ghats to sell for scrap. Despite their ill repair, I was enamoured of their whimsy and, between my broken Hindi and his broken English, convinced him to save them from the ghats and sell them to me.

    I searched through the assortment of odd and ends to find all five pieces of this delightful nesting doll set!

    ___________________

    WOW, talk about luck!! Nutmeg has managed to find those five doll pieces over and over and over and over and over…. again! She is truly amazing, lol!

  100. lexie October 16, 2009 at 9:42 am #

    The only way that could have happened is if he got hit by a lorry carrying them to the burning ghats which then dumped its load on his head.

  101. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 9:47 am #

    Kitten… it is Keala’s project that I haven’t really gotten involved in. If the photo-shop image is a bad idea, I will encourage Nutmeg not to do it. Really, I do not like to see a good project started by someone who I think is kind-hearted being ripped to shreds over one not-yet-decided addition.

  102. Bedazzled Condom October 16, 2009 at 9:51 am #

    “Bedazzled – so you want me to be your little insider whore and give you all the juicy details of what the Board members discuss in private, eh?”

    Ahhh, an admission of “juiciness.” Why am I not surprised?

    Dolts of a feather, flock together.

  103. raisin3 October 16, 2009 at 9:52 am #

    blacktear, do you think uludag is nutmegs husband? if so, how do you feel about that? does any of the information that has come up the last few days make you question them at all?

  104. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 9:54 am #

    ““Bedazzled – so you want me to be your little insider whore and give you all the juicy details of what the Board members discuss in private, eh?”

    Ahhh, an admission of “juiciness.” Why am I not surprised?

    Dolts of a feather, flock together.”

    Hehe, really.
    MENTAL NOTE: Sarcasm breeds silliness

  105. Not Really Surprised October 16, 2009 at 10:00 am #

    EdCBuyer

    where did you get the information that Nutmeg is 29?

    “4. Why do you now go by Echo J. Vincent, the same unusual name as another 29-yr. old young mother who grew up in Montana—but who is obviously not you?”

  106. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 10:01 am #

    No, I do not think Uludag is Nutmeg’s husband. It’s my understanding that he is a friend. If Nutmeg is reselling on Etsy, then she should stop.

  107. Bedazzled Condom October 16, 2009 at 10:02 am #

    I think it must be very hard for some to admit that they have volunteered to be idiots who can be so easily led down the garden path.

    Thus, we see paranoid secrecy combined with seething, misdirected anger.

    Not a pretty picture, not by a long shot, but damned amusing and entertaining all the same.

  108. Hmmm.. October 16, 2009 at 10:04 am #

    Here’s a birthday listed nutmeg herself: http://www.coriandr.com/profile?seller_id=866&ref=%2Fshop%3Fseller_id%3D866

    It makes her 29 if that’s for real.

  109. Bedazzled Condom October 16, 2009 at 10:04 am #

    “If Nutmeg is reselling on Etsy, then she should stop.”

    I have a brillant idea!

    Start a thread on the paranoid forum and let her know your opinion.

  110. lexie October 16, 2009 at 10:08 am #

    “If Nutmeg is reselling on Etsy, then she should stop.”

    Is that it? She should stop? Anyone else doing that would have you baying for blood but you say that she should just stop?

    That basically sums up the whole mentality of the auntys. Nutmegclick could murder their grannies and she would still be wonderful.

  111. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 10:09 am #

    “… seething, misdirected anger.”

    From whom?

  112. Bedazzled Condom October 16, 2009 at 10:12 am #

    Try paying attention, Aunty BlackTear. It should help.

  113. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 10:18 am #

    Well, I’m not sure what you guys are wanting from me, but I’m actually quite calm. But now that we’re at the point of sweeping generalisations and assumptions, I think I will take off and get on with my plans for the day – Be well.

  114. Not Really Surprised October 16, 2009 at 10:27 am #

    Hmmm.. Says:
    October 16, 2009 at 10:04 am
    Here’s a birthday listed nutmeg herself: http://www.coriandr.com/profile?seller_id=866&ref=%2Fshop%3Fseller_id%3D866

    It makes her 29 if that’s for real.

    No that birthday 1983 makes her 26 which is why I asked EdCBuyer for the source of 29 because I’m sure I saw somewhere that she was 29 before EdCBuyer’s post.

  115. Mary October 16, 2009 at 10:34 am #

    Seriously Auntie BlackTear I think it’s great that you are doing good stuff and donating your time and money.
    Defending Nutmeg at all costs even when there is PROOF that there is some shady business going on isn’t good. I would understand if there wasn’t proof but come on! The evidence keeps mounting!

    I think you owe it to yourself and at the very least anyone who you have solicited donations from to talk to Nutmeg and to get answers to all of these questions. Call her out – in private if you wish – and hold her responsible for her actions.

    I don’t know how anyone in good conscience can still solicit donations after these questions have been raised.

  116. Not Really Surprised October 16, 2009 at 10:34 am #

    “If” she is reselling. Where is the element of doubt?

    Coincidence that she restores and paints crap nesting dolls so they are identical to the ones Mr. Nutmeg wholesales/exports by the 100.

    Coincidence that she is able to sell identical bags on different sites.

    Speak to Puss she is looking for a buyer for swampland in Florida

  117. Hmmm.. October 16, 2009 at 10:48 am #

    lol! You’re right – my math sucks!

  118. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 10:49 am #

    Sincere thanks for your advice, Mary. I, personally, am discouraging the solicitation of donations at this time.

    Please consider that the group has a dozen or so lovely ladies and it’s not ALL about Nutmeg, so I must consider their feelings and thoughts in this as well.

  119. Bedazzled Condom October 16, 2009 at 11:00 am #

    “Please consider that the group has a dozen or so lovely ladies and it’s not ALL about Nutmeg, so I must consider their feelings and thoughts in this as well.”

    LMAO! Too funny.

    It’s ALWAYS been ALL about Nutmeg, ALL the time.

    The people who have been warning you not to get involved with this scam artist knew this and told you this all along.

    As I said before, paying attention helps!

  120. edcbyer October 16, 2009 at 11:17 am #

    Black Tear, you are a loyal friend. But here’s your proof (thank you, Hmmm and Not Really Surprised!):

    Yes, I saw Echo describe herself somewhere in one of her multiple bios/profiles that she was 29. However, in the Coriandr post mentioned above she lists her birthday as March 3, 1983:
    http://www.coriandr.com/profile?seller_id=866&ref=%2Fshop%3Fseller_id%3D866

    But, wait. Check out her Pulpindia store profile on Etsy (which I’ve taken a screenshot of, in case it changes)…and lo and behold, her birthday is now March 20.

    IMHO, anyone who can’t get her name or birthday straight from website to website is at least a bit too scattered to be handling my money.

    BTW, I’ve started a blog on WordPress for any further developments; though, with the blatant inconsistencies now noted in this thread, it hardly seems necessary to further substantiate that there is a problem with this “cause.”

    http://edcbyer.wordpress.com/

    And with your permission, I will post this latest info, Hmmm and Not Really Surprised.

  121. edcbyer October 16, 2009 at 11:19 am #

    PS. Pulpindia profile:

    http://www.etsy.com/profile.php?user_id=7453991

  122. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 11:20 am #

    “It’s ALWAYS been ALL about Nutmeg, ALL the time.”
    Sounds like a cheesy ad for a sports channel.

    In context to what I wrote though, you are wrong.

  123. Not Really Surprised October 16, 2009 at 11:30 am #

    I cannot see a year on the Etsy profiles but she does state her birthday is 20th March and on the profile on coriandr she says its the 3rd March. Too different to be a typo.

    Is that so she gets twice as many birthday presents?

  124. lexie October 16, 2009 at 11:31 am #

    I think at the start no one had anything but admiration for the auntys who were determined to raise money to help this child. Even although there were many people who felt it was a scam.

    However we have seen that Nutmeg is a reseller. That is an indisputable fact. The evidence is there and the evidence is clear. Not only is she selling her supposedly restored vintage nesting dolls on Etsy but she is selling them on coriandr too.

    She has been proved now to be a liar and a cheat in this.

    Up until now it has been acceptable for the auntys to still solicit donations for the Adia cause but now with the clear and concrete evidence before you if the auntys still insist that Nutmeg is nothing but wonderful then they are going to end up with as bad a name as Nutmeg.

    My advice, not that it will be taken, is to quit while you are ahead.

  125. shameonyou October 16, 2009 at 11:32 am #

    when I first saw the Adia thread I thought “Wow this chick is wonderful! If I could do that for a child I totally would!” Then I looked at my situation, I am unemployed due to the recession urgh, I looked at my inventory I looked at my supplies and I came to the decision that with the current sales and my low inventory stock I simply could not give any funds or donate and item. Believe it or not I was bummed that I couldnt help.

    I read with interest every adia post but in the wake of the “Handmade artisan fraud” I was weary of posting on any attention grabbing threads for fear of the wacko slandering me next.

    THEN I saw the FIRST (at least to my knowledge) call out Nutmeg thread and I thought That Trudy is a F****** Bitch! how dare she bring up doubt when all these people are donating for a good cause? Who the fuck does she think she is attacking a person doing a good deed? I added her to my dnbf list, then I swiftly posted in Nutmegs defense, saying how I had been reading the threads but not posting and how she should not let these things get to her. I came to my own conclusion that Trudy was lying and that Nutmeg really did run all around India locating these mysterious doctors that Trudy supposedly had set up for her to meet.

    Then I came across the mysterious doctor thread (forgot the username) and I thought that is great that someone wants to take Nutmegs place while she goes to nepal, at the same time I thought it was kind of fairy tale that someone could just drop everything to go aid a person they never even met.

    THEN I came across the edcbuyer thread and WHOAH this time there were links, not just any links, links that made sense and I still had the “No no Nutmeg can explain this” mentality about me.

    Later I came across the Etsycallout blog and started reading the threads MORE links, WTH?? Still in my “Nutmeg is Innocent” Mentality I carefully read every comment THEN…. I saw pussdaddy’s comments, the links the EVIDENCE of reselling, and if you go to her blog there is more evidence there. By the time I posted my first comment I must admit my mentality of Nutmeg’s innocence, her generous charity giving kind hearted human has gone out the door, down the drain, up in smoke.

    My conclusion is that I am glad I never donated, I wish I had never posted in defense and if you are reading this….

    ArtbyTrudy, even though I never posted my thoughts about you regarding that thread, I want to publicly apologize to you for thinking those thoughts, it took a lot of courage to start to shed light on the darkness that nobody wanted to see. I am sorry for thinking such negativity about you and I wish you had not been attacked so brutally in the Etsy threads.

  126. edcbyer October 16, 2009 at 11:37 am #

    bedazzled, I for one do not see the humor in this. Beautiful people with big hearts have had their trust taken advantage of. The people MOST likely to fall for this are exactly those who care about others…not those who are perpetually hardened or hostile or bitter or ugly towards humanity.

  127. shameonyou October 16, 2009 at 11:37 am #

    lexie Says:
    October 16, 2009 at 11:31 am

    I think at the start no one had anything but admiration for the auntys who were determined to raise money to help this child. Even although there were many people who felt it was a scam.
    …..My advice, not that it will be taken, is to quit while you are ahead.
    ____________

    Lexie I completely agree with you 10000000000% AUNTIES LISTEN TO THIS ADVICE QUIT!!!!

    Without a doubt Nutmeg is on quite a bit of people’s DNBF list, her integrity and honesty is at serious stake. If you keep posting in her defense people will forever link you to the scam.

    I didn’t want to see it either but the evidence is mounting, don’t risk your reputations and business integrity for a con artist GET OUT NOW!

  128. Chantelle October 16, 2009 at 11:42 am #

    There has been seething, misdirected anger on this issue… But not from BlackTear. She and Silver have been polite, calm, and respectful in all my interactions with them on this issue.

    The ones with the anger are the ones who aren’t involved, really: peaseblossomstudios and didileo.

  129. Bedazzled Condom October 16, 2009 at 11:57 am #

    “The people MOST likely to fall for this are exactly those who care about others…not those who are perpetually hardened or hostile or bitter or ugly towards humanity.”

    People who practice true charity don’t feel a need to do so in such a public “LOOK AT ME” fashion.

    That’s not charity, that’s VANITY.

    In fact, in some religious belief systems, attention whore charity is actually a sin.

    It is foolish to confuse discernment and respect for the object of one’s charity with hostility or bitterness.

    People who give from their hearts don’t immediately have to run and post about it in the Etsy forums.

    And please, enough with the “my shit don’t stink” act. It’s getting old. You threw the smoke bomb into the crowded theater. You knew exactly what would happen after you did so. You’re enjoying the show just as much as anyone else here.

  130. kitten October 16, 2009 at 12:01 pm #

    Chantelle Says:

    The ones with the anger are the ones who aren’t involved, really: peaseblossomstudios
    ………….

    Oh peaseblossom…… She is quick with criticisms and advice on how others should act, but funny, she never applies it to herself.

  131. Not Really Surprised October 16, 2009 at 12:03 pm #

    When the Auntys produce the calendar will it show both of Nutmeg’s birthdays (that we know of) 3rd and 20th March.

    Liars should have good memories at least they should remember their own birthday.

  132. Lo&Behold October 16, 2009 at 12:06 pm #

    I noticed nutmeg was running ads for one of her Etsy shops via Craft Cult while frantically collecting donations for this “cause.” Those ads aren’t cheap. That kind of money could feed a hungry Indian child, probably her entire family.

    Has anyone wondered. Why would nutmeg need a photoshopped version of that image? Why not take a special photo of Adia’s actual hand for the purpose of this calendar project?

    Lastly, this forum thread may have been a litmus test of sorts. Let’s further test for suckers on Etsy under the guise of philosophic discussion.

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6235651

    I am sickened.

  133. kitten October 16, 2009 at 12:07 pm #

    Well uludag/MisterNutmeg got his birthday right! lol

  134. kitten October 16, 2009 at 12:08 pm #

    kitten Says:

    Well uludag/MisterNutmeg got his birthday right! lol

    Although he is having difficulties remembering how to spell his wife’s first name. haha

  135. edcbyer October 16, 2009 at 12:14 pm #

    @bedazzled:

    “And please, enough with the “my shit don’t stink” act. It’s getting old. You threw the smoke bomb into the crowded theater. You knew exactly what would happen after you did so. You’re enjoying the show just as much as anyone else here.”

    No. No, I am not. Which is why I deactivated comments on the EdCByer blog here.

    The assumption that you know my feelings and motives is either arrogance or ignorance, but in any case, it doesn’t serve you well to advertise that here.

  136. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 12:25 pm #

    “Has anyone wondered. Why would nutmeg need a photoshopped version of that image? Why not take a special photo of Adia’s actual hand for the purpose of this calendar project?”

    To get things printed in time for a 2010 calendar, Keala needs all the art/photos right away. She’s already extended the due date to the end of October. Nutmeg may not be able to get back in time to photograph Adia, and is relying on what she has with her.

  137. lexie October 16, 2009 at 12:26 pm #

    I think a calendar is a lovely idea. It will permanently link the auntys to Nutmeg.

  138. Not Really Surprised October 16, 2009 at 12:28 pm #

    WFW Lo&Behold that thread was shortly before she discovered the beggar famly. Looks like testing the water before she jumped in.

    Freudian slip and a sign of things to come here when the OP refers to the netmugs

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6256592

  139. Not Really Surprised October 16, 2009 at 12:32 pm #

    “I think a calendar is a lovely idea. It will permanently link the auntys to Nutmeg”

    They might not want that now and who can blame them

    The story explaining the reselling and the birthdates and all the other revelations by EdCB should be a good read though

  140. shameonyou October 16, 2009 at 12:33 pm #

    is this calendar going to be be for sale or will it be for personal purposes? Because if the calendar will be for sale then i do consider the “Super Ninja Cropping” of adias hand in the picture deceptive.

  141. Lo&Behold October 16, 2009 at 12:38 pm #

    And yet, look how nutmeg reacted to an Etsian who asked to borrow a couple dollars…

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6235600&page=2

  142. shameonyou October 16, 2009 at 12:39 pm #

    lo&behold
    I completely forgot about that thread!

  143. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 12:57 pm #

    So… if I do an art calendar of my photo-manipulations and sell it, it would be deceptive? If an abstract artist used a glass as a model and the painting looks like an orange, it’s deceptive? As stated, I’m not sure Nutmeg was going to caption the photo saying it was Adia’s hand. What if we all were to take photos of our hands and photo-shop them altogether as a piece of art, then is that deceptive? Or is it just this ONE photo because it’s ‘Nutmeg’…?

    It’s an art calendar… it’s not a ‘day in the life of Nutmeg’ project.

    I know somebody from here keeps going back to that thread… why not register and give your thoughts?

  144. lexie October 16, 2009 at 12:59 pm #

    I think you have bigger problems than a hand in a calendar regardless whose it is.

  145. kitten October 16, 2009 at 1:00 pm #

    KealaLegacy said regarding deadline for the calendar:

    I was initially shooting for Oct 15… but I am extending to the 31st… that way I have time to put it together, put in the order, and set it up for sale on etsy in time for christmas!
    __________________

    Oh so it is going up for sale on Etsy.

  146. Hmmm.. October 16, 2009 at 1:05 pm #

    I remember that CraftCult as well. I noticed it the right after I gave money. It really sort of burned my ass, but I thought perhaps it had been bought and paid for weeks in advance. Now I know that’s really not how it works.

  147. shameonyou October 16, 2009 at 1:23 pm #

    Blacktear,
    given all the other questions and doubts brought to light the photoshopping of the calendar picture just seemed to fall into the deceiving category all in its own “I really want a picture of adia…perhaps some super ninja cropping?” that sentence sounds deceptive.

    HOWEVER, you are right, the picture is of little to none importance compared to the other things being brought to light, so lets discuss those please shall we?

    Why does Nutmeg resell? Why the inconsistencies in the story? Why the shadyness? Why has she not come to her own defense? Or the husband?

    Waiting patiently for answers.

  148. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 1:33 pm #

    “given all the other questions and doubts brought to light the photoshopping of the calendar picture just seemed to fall into the deceiving category all in its own “I really want a picture of adia…perhaps some super ninja cropping?” that sentence sounds deceptive.”

    Perhaps… it was wishful thinking? I just don’t think it was meant to be deceptive. Sorry.

    I’ll forward the other questions on your behalf. For the moment, I’m personally remaining neutral on the reselling allegations.

  149. Nobody Understands My Pain Either October 16, 2009 at 1:41 pm #

    BlackTear – I don’t think that there is anything wrong with photoshopping images. I think that if things in this story had gone a little differently, no one would even question some “ninja style cropping” or whatever it was that was asked for. It’s just that it’s one more thing in what appears to be a long series of deceptions.

    Nutmeg is a reseller on a site dedicated to handmade and vintage. She writes very pretty stories about her items and has immersed herself in the forums, as a community member. But she knows that she is lying and she knows that she is breaking the rules of the community that she is a part of. This is just grossly dishonest behavior and it creates questions about everything else that she is associated with.

    As I said before, I’m a bit of a pessimist. I find it rather convenient that many people who claim to always be giving money and being charitable, are very vocal about it but often do it in such a way that it leaves no paper trail.

    Part of my shop proceeds go to a charity of my choice. If anyone ever questioned me about this, I could back it up with receipts, paypal transactions and donation confirmation e-mails. Not that I feel that charity needs to be proven – it’s just that, if it IS questioned and it IS that important to you to continue on your cause, you should be willing to immediately back it up with something more than a heartwarming story.

    If your cause is lost because you didn’t feel the need to prove anything to anyone, how important was it to you to begin with? Showing a paper trail is such a minor detail.

    That’s why I’m such a fan of charitynavigator.org. People lie and people scam and people who have good hearts get taken in by people that they have mistakenly come to trust – it’s why legitimate charities need to be registered and why it’s nice to have an outside group that evaluates their work and success rate.

    *end ramble*

  150. Not Really Surprised October 16, 2009 at 1:45 pm #

    “Why does Nutmeg resell? Why the inconsistencies in the story? Why the shadyness? Why has she not come to her own defense? Or the husband?

    Waiting patiently for answers”

    She will probably say there was no power today – she was seen in the Adia forum although apparently didn’t post because the counter didn’t go up and I would bet she has been reading this and PD’s blog – I think it will take some time to concoct a story to explain everything away. Perhaps a photo of an old man carrying a bundle with all the nesting dolls in as well, should be easy to get a photo of someone carrying a bundle in India, Nepal or whever she is.

    (don’t forget two birthdays)

    No need to worry about some photo trickery for the calendar. That is a minor thing.

  151. shameonyou October 16, 2009 at 1:48 pm #

    nobody understands my pain
    BlackTear – I don’t think that there is anything wrong with photoshopping images. I think that if things in this story had gone a little differently, no one would even question some “ninja style cropping” or whatever it was that was asked for. It’s just that it’s one more thing in what appears to be a long series of deceptions.
    ________________

    see? that right there is how I was trying to word it but I have been babysitting and kind of posted in a rush.

  152. shameonyou October 16, 2009 at 1:51 pm #

    Perhaps a photo of an old man carrying a bundle with all the nesting dolls in as well
    _________________

    I bet “Crazy ninja cropping” will help with that picture :p

  153. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 1:55 pm #

    Thanks for the clarifications.

  154. Bedazzled Condom October 16, 2009 at 2:18 pm #

    “The assumption that you know my feelings and motives is either arrogance or ignorance, but in any case, it doesn’t serve you well to advertise that here.”

    Oh please. I don’t give a flying fuck about your feeeeeelings or anyone else’s feeeeeeeelings.

    Keep them in your pants and I’ll be happy.

    There are only two choices. Either you knew this would cause an Etsy uproar (whether comments in one place were closed or not or whatever) AND you did it anyway, OR, you’re a slow learner incapable of understanding basic human nature as it relates to cause and effect and you have learned nothing from observing previous Etsy scammer scandals.

    Don’t get me wrong. I think what you did was FABULOUS. I just see no reason to lie about anything now.

  155. box of entenmens cookies October 16, 2009 at 2:37 pm #

    this story is starting to remind me of “The Night Listener”

    anyone ever read that or see the movie?

  156. edcbyer October 16, 2009 at 2:44 pm #

    @bedazzled: Yes, I knew it would cause an uproar. That does not make me responsible one iota for your ripping comments or seeming delight in the grief this is causing those who who’ve very probably been duped. I posted this knowing that the revelation ultimately would prevent a far greater evil than comments such as yours.

    I’m glad you approve of my posting my findings, but until you can talk civilly, we are done conversing on this thread.

  157. Mary October 16, 2009 at 2:47 pm #

    BlackTear you are handling this in a very classy way. I hope it works out for you.

  158. Bedazzled Condom October 16, 2009 at 2:53 pm #

    “Yes, I knew it would cause an uproar.”

    Now, see, was that really so hard?

    Anyone who was “duped” volunteered to be duped. The writing was on the wall all along.

    Putting your brain on hold so you can feel like a good person for five minutes does not make one a saint and yes, it’s my prerogative to laugh at people who choose to be stupid and do stupid things.

    If you were lucky enough to be given a brain by God, you’re supposed to USE IT.

    “we are done conversing on this thread”

    So sorry about your bone. I hope it heals.

  159. Not Really Surprised October 16, 2009 at 3:31 pm #

    Dustcastles isn’t only the email address it is also another name they use.

    http://resources.alibaba.com/resources_profile/in106927838.htm

    The nesting dolls again

    So many names to Google and so to confuse the searcher.

  160. Mary October 16, 2009 at 3:34 pm #

    Not really surprised wow!

    Did you read:
    min order: 2
    supply ability: 500 PIECES A MONTH

  161. Not Really Surprised October 16, 2009 at 3:42 pm #

    More of Nutmeg’s restored nesting dolls, different ones this time – how many sets of dolls were there in that bundle.

    Blog entry August 10

    http://indiesistas.blogspot.com/2009_08_01_archive.html

  162. Mary October 16, 2009 at 3:45 pm #

    I guess the question isn’t is she a reseller but are the dolls actually made by fair trade workers or poorly underpaid workers?

  163. peaseblossomstudio October 16, 2009 at 3:45 pm #

    Chantelle,

    Please do not drag my name into this, demanding to know why I am not a member of the Adia team. I dislike teamwork and do better marching to my own drummer.🙂 I gave a few bucks to nutmeg for Adia. I have no qualms about it as the money was given in the right spirit. I would say that if I, or any other donor, had qualms, they could be addressed directly to Nutmeg or the team. But if someone isn’t a donor, and doesn’t plan to be, I don’t know that harping on details in the fora is productive. At least come forward with some sort of research, such as EdCByer did, rather than harping. I am not sure what to make of EdCByer’s information, so I won’t talk about that. I do strongly object to the the meaningless chatter in the forums by those who have not donated and do not wish to donate. That has no purpose.
    Am I a sucker? Maybe, but then it’s probably better to be a generous sucker than a miserly cynic.
    And all this makes me sad, I just don’t really have anything else to add.

  164. pussdaddyblogs October 16, 2009 at 3:46 pm #

    What exactly are you worried about?

    75. shameonyou Says:
    October 16, 2009 at 8:43 am
    cropping the hand of a child who is *hopefully* at this point getting some kind of help for a picture whether it is for a personal project or for something for sale raises the question “Has this been done before?” , are the pictures in her blog of this child legit? but then again you might be right nothing to worry about, still raises the question.
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

    Nothing about her is legit.

  165. pussdaddyblogs October 16, 2009 at 3:48 pm #

    Stupidass stylesmith was over on my blog today talking about what a travesty it is that I am villifying poor dear nutbag. These Auntys aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed.

  166. Keala October 16, 2009 at 4:02 pm #

    Hey there… this is Keala and I saw questions being raised about the art calender I am putting together. I will try to answer any questions that have been posed about it… if I miss one just let me know.

    Yes… the calender is an art project that will feature images of hands in nurturing/loving/artistic poses… provided by various artists from etsy and independent artists that do not sell on etsy.

    The initial idea was to sell it on etsy as a way to make money for our cause… not requesting donations… an actual exchange of money and product.

    Nutmegs post regarding the photoshopping of her image was probably because I am on a deadline and she may not be able to complete her image in time. I didnt get a chance to respond to her in regards to the photoshopping, but I wouldnt have done it in any case. Besides simple cleaning up/cropping of an image, I would prefer it to be as close to reality as possible.

    In light of what has been going on/said regarding this issue, I feel that it is unfair to the awesome artists who have agreed to be a part of my project to continue further. Whether any claims of Nutmegs reselling is substantiated or not, there will always be a taint on my project that was born from a genuine, heartfelt hope to help Adia and others like her.

  167. Lo&Behold October 16, 2009 at 4:33 pm #

    Will this photo be in the calendar as well?

    http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=63125884&albumID=542755&imageID=44605

  168. Keala October 16, 2009 at 4:38 pm #

    Lo&Behold… you must have missed the explanation of the calender project because, obviously, the image you posted doesnt look anything like I have described. Here it is again.

    ” the calender is an art project that will feature images of hands in nurturing/loving/artistic poses… provided by various artists from etsy and independent artists that do not sell on etsy. “

  169. Lo&Behold October 16, 2009 at 4:43 pm #

    Keala — That’s Mr. Nutmeg in the photo.

  170. Keala October 16, 2009 at 4:46 pm #

    It still doesnt fit my description of the calender.

  171. Keala October 16, 2009 at 4:47 pm #

    I was told there were questions about the calender and since I am the only one who can answer those questions, I am here.

  172. Bedazzled Condom October 16, 2009 at 4:48 pm #

    “Whether any claims of Nutmegs reselling is substantiated or not”

    Is ignorance really bliss?

  173. shameonyou October 16, 2009 at 4:50 pm #

    Keala
    there were no questions about the calendar, simply about the manipulating of a photo to make it appear as though it was adia’s hand. The other questions arise from speculation that the adia foundation is a scam.

    I know your calendar had good intentions and I hate to see artists taken advantage of.

  174. Keala October 16, 2009 at 4:53 pm #

    Bedazzled…

    Im not ignorant… and I would ask that you keep from name calling. Im being respectful here and only ask for the same.

    I find no ignorance, shame or regret in wanting to help another person.

    Only nutmeg can answer to those charges… I am not nutmeg.

  175. Nobody Understands My Pain Either October 16, 2009 at 4:54 pm #

    Keala – perhaps you could still do the project and donate the moeny to a different cause? Just because the Adia project is a bit suspect, does not mean that you couldn’t still move forward with the project and use the funds to benefit an established charity.

    I really do admire what you all were trying to do. I think that many people would applaud a group that could move past a stumbling block such as this and still move forward and do good work.

  176. Keala October 16, 2009 at 4:55 pm #

    shameonyou… I hope I answered that one well enough. I do minor digital photoshopping of my photos, but I would never alter it to add her hand. I didnt get a chance to respond to nutmeg before typing here.

  177. Nobody Understands My Pain Either October 16, 2009 at 4:57 pm #

    And by “you all,” I mean the group of people who went into this with the absolute intent to help an impoverished child, with no thought that this might not actually be legit. As I’ve said multiple times, I’m a pessimist…but it comes from experience. I’ve had the best of intentions before and been completely duped. There’s no shame in it – just dust yourselves off and keep moving forward. You seem to have good hearts.

  178. Keala October 16, 2009 at 4:59 pm #

    Nobody Understands… thank you for the kindness, and to move forward with the project would be wonderful, but all of this is just very disheartening.

    I will continue to do the fundraising and volunteering I have done for other charities… but I will never bring it to Etsy again.

  179. Bedazzled Condom October 16, 2009 at 5:04 pm #

    If you truly believe the claims of reselling have not yet been substantiated through the numerous links presented here, then yes, you are ignorant.

  180. Keala October 16, 2009 at 5:10 pm #

    Its a shame to see how easy it is for you to go directly to name calling.

    Since I have responded to the few questions and concerns that were brought up about the calender… Im gonna go and help my kiddies with their homework.

    Blessings all and have a safe weekend.

  181. Sally October 16, 2009 at 5:44 pm #

    Does anyone know if these re-selling links have been sent to Admin at Etsy?

  182. It'smeagain... October 16, 2009 at 5:51 pm #

    Why is Bedazzled always causing trouble and resorts to name calling? Why is she here?

    She brings negitive vibes and people leave because of her. I am here to learn the truth and and find her her comments distasteful.

    Please stop or someone please delete her comments.

  183. Yaya October 16, 2009 at 5:52 pm #

    Did she spend all of the grant she got? What did she buy with it, more nesting dolls?

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6232523&page=1

    Her book must be running off the presses now, too.

    http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=29045501

  184. Keala October 16, 2009 at 6:04 pm #

    My post in regards to the calender project as found on the Adia forum…

    “UPDATE!!!

    Due to recent events and blog posts, I have decided to cancel this project.

    For all of the artists who have already submitted work, I want to thank you for your willing heart… you work will not be used in ANY way shape or form by myself or anyone else involved in the making of this project. I hope you are able to gift it to another cause… blessings!”

  185. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 6:09 pm #

    That sooo sucks, Keala. I’m really sorry😦

  186. shameonyou October 16, 2009 at 6:21 pm #

    Keala,

    It is nice to hear that you would have upheld the integrity of the photograph. I understand cropping, adjusting contrast, color, brightness etc in a photo as necessary to make the picture the absolute best it can be. However replacing a component of a photograph to represent something that isn’t there does not seem right and it is nice to hear you hold that integrity as well.

    I do feel it a shame that you have to cancel the project, the calendar was not brought in to this except for a poster who wanted to clarify why an altered photograph was needed.

    Your etsy shop is so beautiful and you have such vibrant colors in all your photographs I do hope you will reconsider the project as someone else has said to donate for a different cause or just to keep profits for you and the collaborators.

    best wishes to you and I do hope you understand my posts were never directed towards you but instead at the founder of the organization in search for the truth.

  187. pussdaddyblogs October 16, 2009 at 6:44 pm #

    Not one of these Aunys are up to questioning nutsack to any degree worth a damn even if they do suspect something.

  188. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 6:46 pm #

    I must reconsider one of my favourite artforms, since it has no integrity whatsoever…

    My latest artistic fan-art photo-manip.

  189. pussdaddyblogs October 16, 2009 at 6:52 pm #

    I am not the favorite person of a few of the Adia Foundation Etsy Team members from the comments I see them making on threads. It seems “people listen to me”. This tells me that maybe the point of what nutball is all about is getting through to people.

    PussDaddy

  190. shameonyou October 16, 2009 at 7:07 pm #

    the photograph issue has been dropped, even K said she would not have cropped adias hand into the picture. I guess now I am supposed to explain why I say there is no integrity in manipulating a photo, for clarification i am referring to that ONE photo of Echo’s hand with adias hand cropped in . Under the circumstances that are surrounding the Adia foundation, and the scrutiny it is receiving as a possible manipulating scam a manipulated photo adds to the speculations. Perhaps we can just move past the photo and answer some of the other questions that have been posted that are ultimately of more importance. I know you “forwarded my concerns along” but the likeliness that the truth ever comes out and that nutmeg will actually post a response to this allegations are slim. My personal opinion is that she knows this drama is surrounding her, if she had time to login to myspace today and she has not lied or acted in any deceiving way on Etsy and perhaps regarding Adia too, she should have set her priorities to answer to these allegations and reassure everyone that there is a reasonable explanation (unlikely) for all that is being said.

    One thing that personally interests me is that she can sell off indian plastic letters and bindi stickers in their brand new packaging as supplies yet another form of abuse to the Etsy TOU

  191. Mira October 16, 2009 at 7:07 pm #

    Lo&Behold Says:

    Will this photo be in the calendar as well?

    http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X1342&site=etsycallout.wordpress.com&url=http%3A%2F%2Fviewmorepics.myspace.com%2Findex.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3DviewImage%26friendID%3D63125884%26albumID%3D542755%26imageID%3D44605
    _____________

    That is a weird picture, but the comments on it are from 2002, so I’m not sure what it has to do with the Adia issue…

  192. Mira October 16, 2009 at 7:08 pm #

    I don’t have a MySpace account, so maybe I’m missing something only viewable to users.

  193. edcbyer October 16, 2009 at 7:11 pm #

    @ Sally:

    “Does anyone know if these re-selling links have been sent to Admin at Etsy?”

    Yes, Sally, I’ve written them a long letter today with those and other links, and also asking them to look into this (and fund-raising in general) on Etsy.

    @Keala: Your work is beautiful and I’m sorry your project came to such an unhappy end.😦 But if it’s any comfort, I think you did right by those artists. And for what it’s worth, I respect you for your decision, as well as the way you’ve handled yourself in here.

  194. shameonyou October 16, 2009 at 7:12 pm #

    http://www.myspace.com/ampiphany

    last login 10/16/2009

  195. Mira October 16, 2009 at 7:15 pm #

    Ah, okay. Thanks.

    Methinks it’s going to take Nutmeg awhile to have something to say about this.

  196. shameonyou October 16, 2009 at 7:17 pm #

    Mira
    methinks you are right.

  197. Mary October 16, 2009 at 7:21 pm #

    I would love to hear goatmountainarts opinion about this whole mess. Especially after this:
    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6270484&page=120

  198. kitten October 16, 2009 at 7:27 pm #

    Wow, her income is $250,000 and higher. I think Nutmeg could of fed Adia’s whole family on that!

  199. shameonyou October 16, 2009 at 7:33 pm #

    goatmountainarts says:
    To think money makes anyone feel entitled to behave this way makes me sick.

    the irony

  200. edcbyer October 16, 2009 at 7:50 pm #

    @shameonyou: that’s a MySpace I hadn’t seen yet; I noticed the avatar for another one is not available on Pipl anymore, but the MySpace for Adia in India is still up.

    Which, at the risk of slaying an already dead horse, I might mention says she is 27-years old…

  201. edcbyer October 16, 2009 at 7:52 pm #

    http://www.myspace.com/adiainindia

  202. Yaya October 16, 2009 at 7:58 pm #

    Another persona? June Laela

    http://junelaela.blogspot.com/

  203. Trudy Hylant October 16, 2009 at 8:19 pm #

    Shameonyou….I read your heartfelt apology and tears streamed down my face. Thank you from the bottom of my heart! I can not tell you the toll all of this has had on me. Mr.Nutcases’s rant on a thread (no one can convince me otherwise) to such terrible hateful convos I received. (from these loving, giving supporters?) sigh..

    My mother has cancer and doesn’t have long to live and I have been just exhausted driving to Ohio to attend to her on the weekends. …and of course me with that “tumor thing” I am just at the end of my rope….and somedays I just get mad! So I’ve been posting on PD blog!

    hmmmmmmm you owe me an apology for your first post…I did not need that! and thanks to those who knew it wasn’t me..

    and to EDC..good work! Just trying to keep on keepin on and am happy that others recognize just what is going on!

    Keala…God Bless you…………..Nutcase changed her birthday on Etsy since I pointed out it was March 20th on 2 other sites…Thank God the one that was linked had March 20th on it for all to see…………..Trudy

  204. Sally October 16, 2009 at 8:19 pm #

    Does anyone know if the proof of reselling has already been reported to Etsy Admin? They should be.

  205. Trudy Hylant October 16, 2009 at 8:27 pm #

    GoatMountain…Goat…of all the people (uladag included) that hurt me the most was your post calling me crazy…and totally putting me down.

    I always read your posts and even convoed you a couple of times. I thought that you went overboard a couple of times, but I never disrespected you like you did me. I really cried when I read your posts….They cut me the deepest. Trudy

  206. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 8:41 pm #

    “…to such terrible hateful convos I received. (from these loving, giving supporters?) sigh..”

    Never got a convo from me, Trudy.

    Sorry to hear about your mom. Cancer is never an easy thing to deal with.

  207. beenwatching October 16, 2009 at 8:53 pm #

    Yaya Says:
    Another persona? June Laela
    http://junelaela.blogspot.com/

    ——
    Ha, sho nuff, there she is, in magic mushroom land

  208. Bedazzled Condom October 16, 2009 at 9:06 pm #

    “She brings negitive vibes and people leave because of her.”

    People leave because they are ashamed and embarrassed for being so stupid. As they should be.

    The truth hurts. Boo fucking hoo hoo hoo.

    Nothing says “negitive” (sic) quite like STEALING in the name of a small and hungry child.

  209. Trudy October 16, 2009 at 9:14 pm #

    BlackTear..Thank you for your concern over my mom..It’s just so distressing on so many levels to see such a once vibrant woman down to 70#s and feeling so vulnerable.

    You are right you did not convo me. I had enough to know what it feels like to be shunned by a community. Oh well, “It is what it is!” I stood up and I would do it again.

  210. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 9:42 pm #

    I hear you… I lost my own mother to cancer a few days after I turned twelve.

    As for shunning, to be fair, you had your own harsh words. However – what Uludag did was not right nor was it called for.

  211. Trudy Hylant October 16, 2009 at 9:50 pm #

    I’m so sorry to hear about your mother..at such a young age..tragic

    Uhn…What harsh words? Seriously I am asking…If you could site them I would appreciate seeing them. I don’t believe I said anything harsh…I know that I was asking questions after my friend was stood up twice. I really don’t remember my writing harsh words…and I’m not in the mood to go back and reread it again…Don’t want to revisit.

    It’s just that I do not believe I wrote harsh words.

  212. forum rubbernecker October 16, 2009 at 9:52 pm #

    Yaya Says:
    Another persona? June Laela
    http://junelaela.blogspot.com/

    ——
    Ha, sho nuff, there she is, in magic mushroom land
    ________

    Gotta feel sorry for the riot police in that one. OMG

  213. Trudy October 16, 2009 at 10:04 pm #

    OMG…could I write “Harsh Words”‘ any more times! ha…I am getting tired……..yawn…….Trudy

  214. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 10:11 pm #

    That thread was a whirlwind… if I can recollect, you were the first to call Nutmeg a fraud, based on not getting answers to your questions within a short period of time. In convos, you were also demanding personal information from Nutmeg. I was talking with her just before she left to meet with whoever you set up to meet with her. It all seemed unfair because you needed to know every detail, but would not offer any information in return. She was deeply concerned and I was concerned for her family because it did not feel right (the one-sidedness of the situation).

    Everyone questions Nutmeg, but on the flipside, how does anyone know that you actually set up things the way you say you did? There’s no proof either that you have a friend in India who was willing to help.

    Maybe ‘harsh words’ was an overstatement (this is to memory, I have not gone back to the thread) – but I do remember the emotional impact the situation had on Nutmeg and to the rest of the group while this was unfolding.

  215. Trudy October 16, 2009 at 10:40 pm #

    BlackTear…..First off you don’t know what the Fuck you are talking about! I NEVER, EVER, EVER called her a fraud..Never…I just kept asking questions…If you haven’t gotten it by now you will never get it! I’m serious…I’m done convincing people like you…about anything…I refuse to waste my time. I have written enough to write a book and if after reading these blogs..

    PD’s, and all the other posters and blogs…YOU WILL NEVER GET IT! How dare you! You just stand by your buddy Nutcase, but I’ll tell you one thing…You are making an absolute ass out of yourself! Defending those “hustlers” If I were you I would be totally embarrassed……….YOu can not possibly be that stupid.

    No more MS. nice guy for any supporter of hers at this point. If you can’t see the handwriting on the wall by now you are just plain ignorant!

    Do you want to see my checks to my friend that I have paid for his staying over to help your homegirl out? His change of airfair alone will take me a month of work to pay…

    You want harsh…you got it…I am tired and I am going to bed! You sicken me.

  216. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 10:52 pm #

    Wow, I’m making an ass out myself? You are the one exploding, Trudy…

  217. Chantelle October 16, 2009 at 10:54 pm #

    BlackTear, I know the impact of Trudy’s questions in that thread on nutmeg and the group was huge. However, I don’t remember Trudy using harsh words until after the group started to say that it was ridiculous and disgusting and stuff. Also, I don’t remember her calling nutmeg a fraud there. I might be wrong but that’s what I remember.

    Trudy, PD (as in PussDaddy) hasn’t been standing by nutmeg or supporting her in any way. Most people who have been posting here are not nutmeg supporters.

    I wonder how nutmeg will respond to all of this. Or even if she will respond.

  218. pussdaddyblogs October 16, 2009 at 11:01 pm #

    .

    207. beenwatching Says:
    October 16, 2009 at 8:53 pm
    Yaya Says:
    Another persona? June Laela
    http://junelaela.blogspot.com/

    ——
    Ha, sho nuff, there she is, in magic mushroom land
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

    Jesus, another one? Is it really? How can anyone, even the fucking goat deny that this person is shady as hell. How many names do all of you have?

  219. pussdaddyblogs October 16, 2009 at 11:21 pm #

    What is that she took pictures of? Ditch weed? Jimson weed? Whatever it is that blog link reads as if she smoked it.

    PussDaddy

  220. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 11:21 pm #

    Chantelle, I remember how Trudy freaking out was freaking everyone out… and then she posts this…

    “Anyone can go to India go to a slum and find a starving child and admit them to the hospital under any name. Sure there will be more pictures, …Does not mean the donations are going to her.

    This is my last post on this subject. I am not being a coward you can convo me anytime…We don’t know who Drjc is for God’s sake…This is the internet.”

    Seems to me that Trudy indeed called Nutmeg a fraud and even extended the implication to DRJC.

    I gave it how it was from my sofa and got a mighty FUCK YOU. Whatever.

  221. pussdaddyblogs October 16, 2009 at 11:42 pm #

    this was unfolding.

    215. Trudy Says:
    October 16, 2009 at 10:40 pm
    BlackTear…..First off you don’t know what the Fuck you are talking about! I NEVER, EVER, EVER called her a fraud..Never…I just kept asking questions…If you haven’t gotten it by now you will never get it! I’m serious…I’m done convincing people like you…about anything…I refuse to waste my time. I have written enough to write a book and if after reading these blogs..

    PD’s, and all the other posters and blogs…YOU WILL NEVER GET IT! How dare you! You just stand by your buddy Nutcase, but I’ll tell you one thing…You are making an absolute ass out of yourself! Defending those “hustlers” If I were you I would be totally embarrassed……….YOu can not possibly be that stupid.

    No more MS. nice guy for any supporter of hers at this point. If you can’t see the handwriting on the wall by now you are just plain ignorant!

    Do you want to see my checks to my friend that I have paid for his staying over to help your homegirl out? His change of airfair alone will take me a month of work to pay…

    You want harsh…you got it…I am tired and I am going to bed! You sicken me.
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

    Uhhmm, hello, I am PD, or PussDaddy, you have been talking to me, and I have been blogging about this scam artist for almost a month. I have no idea what you are talking about getting a home girl out or airfair or anything of the sort.

    PussDaddy

  222. Mary October 16, 2009 at 11:44 pm #

    BlackTear I thought you were a class act. Damn.

    Trudy I really don’t know what to say to make you feel better so I am sending out hugs.

  223. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 11:47 pm #

    I think Trudy meant this…

    ” I have written enough to write a book and if after reading these blogs (such as) PD’s, and all the other posters and blogs…YOU WILL NEVER GET IT! ”

    She was referring to your blog, PD, as being one to expose Nutmeg and me lacking the intelligence to believe a word you say.

  224. pussdaddyblogs October 16, 2009 at 11:48 pm #

    I want to clarify that I called this a scam about a week after the Adia In India site was made, and I removed the link to the site from my blog and made a blog post saying why, and I have posted on the side of this being a scam ever since. I have no idea about anything about homegirls and airfairs or anything. I do remember getting a blog post on one of my Adia posts yesterday about changing planes and airfair and the cost but as everyone can see yesterday was busy blog day for me and I basically passed it thru and now I need to read it in depth. Once and for all, I have known this was a scam almost from jump street and have said so and am still saying so at this very minute.

    PussDaddy

  225. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 11:53 pm #

    Mary… I’m discussing calmly and giving an account from my perspective. I’m not name calling, I’m not swearing… I wonder what your definition of ‘class act’ is.

  226. BlackTear October 16, 2009 at 11:57 pm #

    PD… if this were a scam, I want my cut.

  227. lexie October 17, 2009 at 12:10 am #

    Why has Nutmeg not come in here to justify herself?

  228. BlackTear October 17, 2009 at 12:16 am #

    What do you need justified, Lexie?

  229. lexie October 17, 2009 at 12:21 am #

    Reselling for a start would be good.

  230. BlackTear October 17, 2009 at 12:24 am #

    Okay, well to my knowledge the info re: the reselling has been forwarded to Etsy Admin. I know Nutmeg is currently waiting for word from them so she can provide additional information about her listings.

    Anything else?

  231. Mary October 17, 2009 at 12:25 am #

    BlackTear Trudy came in here and bared her soul. She was attacked in the threads for asking legitimate questions. The attacks on her were insane and horrible. She is feeling a bit better and you have to say what you did.
    Trudy was justified in asking questions even if you didn’t like them. The poor woman is dealing with unimaginable stuff and then you have to upset her even more. The stuff that she was saying was not harsh and she did not deserve to be treated like that then and she doesn’t deserve to be treated badly now.

    If anything you “aunties” should be THANKING her and all the people who are uncovering this vile stuff about nutmeg and you should be thanking them for asking important questions even when they weren’t popular.

    This is absolutely insane.
    I’m out.

  232. BlackTear October 17, 2009 at 12:38 am #

    Mary… Nutmeg is also a human being with real emotion and the things Trudy said and implied were hurtful to her. Trudy is also not the only person to be dealing with things. I personally have my own emotional investments that literally tears my heart open regarding Adia. And THAT’S who I’m in this for.

    It sucks that Trudy is having a hard go… it really does. I’m not malicious and I mean her no ill harm.

  233. pussdaddyblogs October 17, 2009 at 12:58 am #

    Next the arguement will be to let nutjob do whatever she wants to do on Etsy because she has a kid to feed.

    PussDaddy

  234. BlackTear October 17, 2009 at 1:01 am #

    PD… if she’s not complying with Etsy rules, then she should. Just like everyone else on Etsy.

  235. lexie October 17, 2009 at 5:12 am #

    http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X1342&site=etsycallout.wordpress.com&url=http%3A%2F%2Fviewmorepics.myspace.com%2Findex.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3DviewImage%26friendID%3D63125884%26albumID%3D542755%26imageID%3D44605

    We have seen this picture before. Just a jokey picture, we all do it.

    Scroll down a bit though and read the comments.

    Made by Rahul Dhara. The friend who some thought might have been Uladag.

  236. Jf October 17, 2009 at 6:45 am #

    You know, up until now, I have watched this fiasco unfold without saying a word. I’ve been on Etsy for awhile, and pegged nutmeg as a whackjob a long time ago.
    But then, I am by nature, a cynical person when it comes to things like this.
    I am sorry though, for all the people that have reached out to help for what they thought was a good cause. You tried to do the right thing. You are credits on the good side of the human race.
    This is exactly why I only give to one charity, which is in my hometown, where I can see the results of the money and donations that they collect.

  237. Not Really Surprised October 17, 2009 at 6:54 am #

    “Made by Rahul Dhara. The friend who some thought might have been Uladag.”

    The avatar he is using looks like mountain scenery – I wonder if it is Uladag, the Turkish mountain.

    Whether uludag on Etsy is Mr. Netmug or his good friend Rahul Dhara made no difference as far as I was concerned, he is part of the whole business and having your best friend sign up to buy only from you and leave you feedback is still a form of shilling.

  238. Bedazzled Condom October 17, 2009 at 6:56 am #

    “I know Nutmeg is currently waiting for word from them so she can provide additional information about her listings.”

    roflmao

    I sure hope she doesn’t ingest too many drugs before she and her potato headed hubby can fabricate this “additional information.”

  239. Not Really Surprised October 17, 2009 at 7:16 am #

    Blacktear says ” I personally have my own emotional investments that literally tears my heart open regarding Adia. And THAT’S who I’m in this for. ”

    I am seeing this whole business as a question of who is Adia, where is Adia, how much that has been told about Adia is true?

    Is none of it true, very little true, most of it true, all of it true. Is this from past experiences or current ones?

    There really is absolutely no way of knowing other than by taking Nutmeg’s word so it hinges on how honest and truthful Nutmeg is and that is the only basis to judge by.

    We know for a fact she uses different names but there are a variety of reasons people do that.

    She has definitely lied about her birth date and age. While people sometimes like to appear older or younger giving different days of birth is usually purely a way to avoid detection as many authorities link name and birth date when searching for people.

    There is strong evidence that sets of nesting dolls which her husband trades in are being re-sold as restored vintage items and to make this worse also concocting a flowery story to attract a purchaser.

    There is the bag which was sold on Etsy and is also being offered for sale on another site – the identical bag.

    Other evidence of reselling has been discovered throughout this thread.

    Taken with the variations at times in the Adia story which have given rise all along to doubt in some people’s minds I don’t see how anyone can ever be sure that the truth is being told.

    Photos can be obtained and used to help a lie, friends may bear witness for each other.

    Only trust and faith in a person’s honest character can be used in any case of this type. Can anyone who has followed this thread closely really believe that Nutmeg wouldn’t tell a lie or practice a deceit?

  240. Not Really Surprised October 17, 2009 at 7:23 am #

    I doubt whether Etsy will take action on items that have already been sold, they are slow to act on major resellers with current listings.

  241. pussdaddyblogs October 17, 2009 at 8:01 am #

    Another persona? June Laela
    http://junelaela.blogspot.com/

    ————–
    “Someone on my blog pointed out that on this link that there’s another version of the name in the very last postcard on hte first link. It’s “Echo Lalia June Jaya Tru-Froots Vincent”. Two more names. There’s also an email address…..”

    PussDaddy

  242. box of entenmens cookies October 17, 2009 at 8:27 am #

    i cannot even imagine how tiring it would be to be an internet hustler. can you even imagine the time and effort it would take to put together all this stuff all over the internet?:

    (after some sleuthing you have all found mounds of evidence of fraud, including:)

    numerous identities….

    insanely detailed descriptions of nutty’s process in ‘restoring’ her items (although they are offered on her other websites off etsy in counts of 500).

    website after website with slight name alterations….

    husband mispelling wife’s name and different birthdays/ages….

    AGAIN I will mention the reselling, and the poetic descriptions of the ‘work that went into these items’….

    When it comes down to it, the Nuttys are not honest people. Every website they sold on would match the other one. Birthdays and names would be the same. Everything would add up.

    For any of you who have a myspace, blog, a shop online… think about this. Would you keep changing your name? Would you take an item you sold in bulk on one website, write up a three paragraph description of that item and how you ‘made it’ , and sell it on etsy?

    Don’t you think when the sales kept coming, the lies had to get deeper and deeper?

    Unfortunatley the world is full of greedy people.

    I agree with many others… that it is best to find a charity that is established as REAL. There are so many people in need.

    Even if this child is real .. how can we trust that someone who is definitely NOT transparent will give a penny to this child?

    I hope that everyone talking about this on this site can be respectful of one another because keeping this dialogue at that level is a good thing.

    It would be awful if people feel they must turn away from the truth because they don’t like the ‘tone’ of those who have found the truth.. it’s a big thing to admit you were fooled by this hustler, but I’d like to say to all those ‘aunts’… don’t let it hurt your ego.

    It’s almost a compliment to you, that you have a big heart and you have trust that people are always good. Next time, just make sure to ASK more questions, and don’t just go into things blindly.

    Remember, there are all sorts of creeps on the internet.
    Etsy has the persona of being a ‘community’ of artists.. but its a big, big place.

    There is just too much evidence at this point , too many flags raised.. I think it’s time for everyone to just face the truth.

    Yes you thought you had a friend, and you thought you were helping a very special cause.. but it was a lie.

  243. lexie October 17, 2009 at 8:29 am #

    The names no longer matter.

    The birth dates no longer matter.

    The shilling no longer matters.

    The reselling no longer matters.

    The screwing money out of people who can ill afford it no longer matters.

    The calendar with the hands no longer matters.

    Where she actually is at the moment no longer matters.

    How she funded getting there and how she will fund getting back and when no longer matters.

    Whether Uladag is a family friend or her husband no longer matters.

    Whether Adia is actually in hospital or still on the street being used as a begging bowl no longer matters.

    ……… and why???

    Because Etsy will do bugger all about it. She will write another 10 pages of flowery scroll to them explaining why she did it and they will accept her explanation gratefully.

    Because the Aunties will never believe anything bad said about Nutmeg even when the evidence is placed in front of them. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

    Because they will still be touting for money wherever they can and new people will be sucked in.

    Because after a month of people shouting scam, shill, resell etc no one is really any further forward.

    Tomorrow everything will be the same.

    She will be selling on Etsy. Her stuff might not be vintage, might not be hand made by her, but she will still be selling it because she won’t have the common decency to clear her shop and remove herself from Etsy permanently.

    So basically even if black is black it will always be white to the aunties and you can never convince them otherwise.

    Sorry – had more than enough of this rubbish. Let them get on with it.

  244. box of entenmens cookies October 17, 2009 at 8:29 am #

    and also… the Nut has not had anything to say.

    like a thief running from the crime scene

  245. Bedazzled Condom October 17, 2009 at 8:52 am #

    You’re not being fair, Box.

    Nuttymeg *would* post and explain *everything* if only she could but sadly, her laptop and camera were crushed to bits during the most recent attack by the crazed village idiot.

    Sadly too, she will be scarred from this savage attack so she is now accepting donations for new tattoos to cover the scars.

    Run fast to Paypal, BlackTear. RUN!

  246. just amazed October 17, 2009 at 9:12 am #

    Aside to Trudy. You would have more credibility if you weren’t so rude and had an iota of reading comprehension.

  247. pussdaddyblogs October 17, 2009 at 9:21 am #

    box of entenmens cookies, you’d think it would be easier to just go get a fricking job, huh? People like this have no conscience about what they do, take from, or steal from other people. They feel they are entitled to it because you have plenty and they have nothing, even though you probably work for it and they have never worked a day in their life. She is not concerned about Etsians, Aunty’s, or even fricking Adia. She did make a thread that one time saying she thought it perfectly ok to steal from companies for instance, as a form of protest she said. You know how some people get that cheesy like substance up under their balls, I think it is called smegma, this is what these people are like.

    PussDaddy

  248. pussdaddyblogs October 17, 2009 at 9:23 am #

    I have also been reading about child begging rings in India, and people rent these kids.

    PussDaddy

  249. box of entenmens cookies October 17, 2009 at 9:26 am #

    Bedazzled Condom Says:
    October 17, 2009 at 8:52 am

    You’re not being fair, Box.

    Nuttymeg *would* post and explain *everything* if only she could but sadly, her laptop and camera were crushed to bits during the most recent attack by the crazed village idiot.

    __________________________________

    OH… well THAT explains it.
    what awful timing.

    I’ve heard village idiot attack incidents have been growing at an alarming rate in recent years..and everybody knows that they HATE electronics.

    maybe we can find a charity that collects money for replacement of these lost electronics, and that helps the victims with the metal trauma of these brutal attacks.

  250. box of entenmens cookies October 17, 2009 at 9:27 am #

    oops.. that’s “mental trauma”.

  251. Mary October 17, 2009 at 9:28 am #

    Well if this whole thing goes any further, if it is a scam, if the aunties continue to do what they are doing and leave things as is because they don’t want to hurt nutmegs feelings, then they are just as responsible as nutmeg in scamming people.

    It is a lot of “ifs” but this is the direction is seems to be going.

    I guess what bothers me the most is people are getting scammed (at least off etsy) and the aunties seem to be okay with this because nutmeg is their bud. I don’t think you [the aunties] are taking any more money but if you are you will also be held accountable if this thing goes belly up.

    If I am totally overreacting and everything is on the up and up then I absolutely apologize. The most important thing is Adia. Does anyone have an update about her? I haven’t been able to find a recent one and I would love to see how she is doing.

  252. Bedazzled Condom October 17, 2009 at 9:29 am #

    Metal trauma works too.

  253. box of entenmens cookies October 17, 2009 at 9:31 am #

    metal trauma = the aftermath of spork attacks

  254. Trudy October 17, 2009 at 9:39 am #

    PD I absolutely know that you are PussDaddy…I meant as was stated above..that if she was still suppporting Nutcase after all the facts blogs, PD’s and posts….then Damn she will never get it!

    I shouldn’t have spaced it the way I did…You uncovered it…and you supported my writing avout her..I owe you a debt of gratitude…I hope I didn’t cause you any undue dtress…Honest to God..I know that you are ill..damn I am so sorry…

  255. Not Really Surprised October 17, 2009 at 9:42 am #

    PD said “I have also been reading about child begging rings in India, and people rent these kids.”

    At the very start of all this when Nutmeg said the child had no name and her age was vague that was the first thought I had – she probably isn’t family at all. Its a terrible thing to consider but now I wonder if Nutmeg is also effectively renting the kid for her own ends.

    Some children are horribly maimed, including amputation of healthy limbs, in order for them to be used for begging especially if they have a birth defect. If they aren’t going to grow up they may as well earn the family something while they can.

    Nutmeg has posted in the Adia forum that she has read this blog, had she had a straightforward answer to any of the questions of reselling, varying birth dates etc. being human I’m sure she would have posted them. However if it is going to take time to try to come up with something she couldn’t could she.

  256. blah October 17, 2009 at 9:49 am #

    Since this has become so incredibly harsh and heated, I have decided to leave the aunties. They know this and I have their blessings.

    It is just not worth the loss of what little reputation I have left and the stress that comes with all of this.
    It wasn’t the proof and/or accusations that made me leave. It was the worry that even MY child could be brought into as Nutmeg’s has. (making fun of her name and appearance)

    I will not deny or defend all of the evidence that has been provided here. I’m not interested in it at this point. When things have calmed a bit, I will go back and look at it again, hopefully with a neutral eye.

    If this is indeed a scam, please accept my apologies. If not, well, let’s just leave that alone.😉

    This has, indeed, been one big clusterfuck from the get-go. I did what I felt in my heart was right and am now bowing out. But I really don’t think any of the other aunties are cold hearted and in on any scam. They’re good people.

  257. Chantelle October 17, 2009 at 9:54 am #

    Not Really Surprised, one of my early objections to this thing was that nutmeg was paying for this child… Which encourages the family to rent her out. I felt that this was hugely unethical.

    Of course nutmeg may have lied about giving money to the family so that she could keep the money.

    Who knows how old the child is, anyways… Nutmeg said 20 months, that Indian Express article said 14… Who knows? I’m thinking details are only important to the nutmegs when they’re spinning a tale. And that the details don’t match because the nutmegs are lying.

  258. Not Really Surprised October 17, 2009 at 10:02 am #

    Mary says “I guess what bothers me the most is people are getting scammed (at least off etsy) and the aunties seem to be okay with this because nutmeg is their bud. I don’t think you [the aunties] are taking any more money but if you are you will also be held accountable if this thing goes belly up. ”

    It seems to be the first rule of fund-raising on internet forums that you do not ask for money or be responsible for its collection yourself. Very few people are overly sympathetic to the person who asks outright to be given money. You make friends who will voluntarily do it for you when they learn of your problem and the expense your are incurring and if anything goes wrong then they will be responsible – Nutmeg isn’t the treasurer or paypal account holder is she?

    Nutmeg is already defending this position here

    “nutmegclick says:
    aoso guys i’ve been really weell known around here for like….four months before all of this happened. and in my fdirst poqts i was NPOT asking for money i was coming to a group of freidns for em,optional support becaus ei saw something horrible. and thereafter also i asked for THOUGHTS AND PREAYERS for weeks and didn’t mentiopn money until so many people were asking me i had to address it.

    in fact, at the time i said something to the effect of ‘please dont feel pressured to give any money, we’re trying to get it from NGOs, mostly we would appreciate your thoughts and love’ or something. but that’s because i’m a SUPER scam arists nad know reverse psychology???

    but i PLANNED that all, right? coming on etsy, making friends, then drawing out this whole huge thing to entrap evenryone. give me a damned break.

    i’m serriously losing all hope right no. after everything i’m dealing with here – and now this complete shit.
    Posted at 10:50 pm, September 10 2009 EST – Report this post ”

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6270484&page=128

  259. Trudy October 17, 2009 at 10:06 am #

    Mary (((( thanks for your kind words)))) I forgot to add that I received over 60 convoes from Etsians who supported me and could not have been kinder….They way outweighed any terrible ones…and you know what…even the nastiest ones wrote back and apologized because their “eyes had been open” since…They were lurking on PD’s blogs and had their own “awakening”…..

    just amazed…..First off…A person can be pushed so far…2nd..I have excellent reading comprehension and that is the reason I had my own ” Uh oh” moments when my friend presented me with the facts similiar to Edc (OP) It didn’t take a genius to put facts together…

    Nutcase…is a hustler..period…She said the child didn’t have a name, but I have the child’s name. …hmmmmmmm Trudy

  260. lexie October 17, 2009 at 10:11 am #

    There were a couple of comments about Nutmeg’s child which I also feel were unfair and unjustified. She should never have been brought into it.

    I would prefer just to have the facts here and not the asides or quirky comments.

    I have said before and I will say again, I have huge respect for all you Aunties. You have been pulling together to try to help a child in India. Unfortunately I feel that the family of that child did not want help for her so whatever you did, you were on a hiding to nothing trying to help her.

    If the money had been given to a legitimite registered charity with the proviso that Adia be helped then I think more could have come from it. As it is, it is my honest opinion (and I wish it was wrong) that Adia cannot be helped.

    Unfortunately there is too much evidence against Nutmeg now. The reselling aspect is the one that would lose Nutmeg credibility on Etsy and anyone supporting her would be seen automatically to be supporting her reselling too and consequently their credibility would be called up too.

    Given that it appears that Nutmeg does not make anything herself you all have too much to lose yourselves with your shops and your reputations to be seen to be associating with her.

    It must be absolutely heartbreaking for you all to see how this has developed but there comes a time when nothing more can be achieved and you should walk away with your heads held high knowing that you have nothing to reproach yourselves for.

    The truth is that the Aunties are better people than myself and a lot of the others who have tried to get this stopped. You are definitely better than Nutmeg though. I don’t for one second think that any of you were in on it if this is proved to be a scam and I don’t think anyone else does either.

    It is just such a shame that it appeared on Etsy in the first place and set off this chain reaction.

    Sorry – I don’t know your name on Etsy but I admire and respect you and I wish you every success with your shop if you have one. As for your reputation – you have definitely got my respect.

  261. BlackTear October 17, 2009 at 10:15 am #

    “…So basically even if black is black it will always be white to the aunties and you can never convince them otherwise.”

    Ditto for the other side, which some members apparently just need to bitch about something (anything) on a daily basis and drag others down in their bitter diatribes.

    There is only ONE thing that will make me change my mind – and I don’t really need to discuss that with you guys. Otherwise, this all is just a distraction.

    If you have any further REAL concerns about ADIA Foundation (not just Nutmeg) then please direct them to:

    contact[at]adiainindia.com

    “Well if this whole thing goes any further, if it is a scam, if the aunties continue to do what they are doing and leave things as is because they don’t want to hurt nutmegs feelings, then they are just as responsible as nutmeg in scamming people.”

    Indeed.
    If it were a scam and cold hard evidence of such comes up, I personally would not hesitate to cry foul.

    And with that, I’m no longer commenting here. My concerns now are with Adia and the group as a whole.

    Be well all! Enjoy your weekend.

    OT: Blah… *** HUGS *** We will miss you😦

  262. BlackTear October 17, 2009 at 10:19 am #

    Thanks for the comments, Lexie. Just want to add that I appreciate all those who can discuss things nice and calmly and present real concerns…

    Lexie
    Mary
    Chantelle
    EdC

    Just a few.

    Thanks… and now I’m off.

  263. shameonyou October 17, 2009 at 10:31 am #

    blah
    This has, indeed, been one big clusterfuck from the get-go. I did what I felt in my heart was right and am now bowing out. But I really don’t think any of the other aunties are cold hearted and in on any scam. They’re good people.
    __________

    I believe you and the “aunties” have had the best of intentions. My heart goes out to all the aunties that are undoubtedly torn in this situation, I cannot believe there has been fun made of Echo’s child I myself would not resort to that. Her child is yet another innocent victim in my opinion. I hope everyone can keep children out of this (even though this centers around a child) and be respectful in that manner.

  264. pussdaddyblogs October 17, 2009 at 10:40 am #

    Trudy Says:
    October 17, 2009 at 9:39 am
    PD I absolutely know that you are PussDaddy…I meant as was stated above..that if she was still suppporting Nutcase after all the facts blogs, PD’s and posts….then Damn she will never get it!

    I shouldn’t have spaced it the way I did…You uncovered it…and you supported my writing avout her..I owe you a debt of gratitude…I hope I didn’t cause you any undue dtress…Honest to God..I know that you are ill..damn I am so sorry…
    …………………………………………………………………………..

    Don’t worry about it Trudy. I was also real tired when I read it myself, and after everyone explained it I understood it. You didn’t cause me any undue stress at all. I did get your message similar to this one on my own blog but I am damned if I can find it to respond, and I got tired of hunting nutmeg posts for it, so I decided to answer you here. Don’t worry about it at all.

    For the record though I prefer only to get due stress if I have to get any. *wink*

    PussDaddy

  265. Not Really Surprised October 17, 2009 at 10:41 am #

    “If you have any further REAL concerns about ADIA Foundation (not just Nutmeg) then please direct them to:”

    “My concerns now are with Adia and the group as a whole.”

    Unfortunately the fact is that Nutmeg is the link to Adia, which of the Auntys will go to India to care for her needs instead of Nutmeg.

    Adia and Nutmeg will always be associated within Etsy.

    Nutmeg herself has made it plain she isn’t going to be around helping Adia anyway. She has been away almost five weeks already and has stated her intention to move away from Hyderabad very soon.

    The fund raising group can continue and can register to become legal and legitimate, running in an open way for all to see as charities are. Without actual aid workers the funds would need to be donated to recognised organisations who are based overseas and running schemes to help people.

    However I’m not sure how Adia will be supported without Nutmeg there.

  266. pussdaddyblogs October 17, 2009 at 10:48 am #

    I honestly don’t care to hear about how nothing should have ever been said about nutmegs kid or her being brought into it. Nutmeg brought her into it herself when she stuffed her into some of her commercially made in India rags that she is trying to resell, posed her, and snapped her picture and listed it on Etsy. All I said is th kid is homely and looked malnourished as an infant, I ain’t using her to pimp my business that shouldn’t even be on Etsy in the first place.

    PussDAddy

  267. edcbyer October 17, 2009 at 10:53 am #

    @Lexie: Take heart; this one’s not going away. I’m very obsessive when I get irritated.😀

    Also, in case any one is interested…

    FROM: http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/fraud/internet/#howtodeal

    If you think that you’ve been the victim of a fraud scheme that involved the Internet, you can file a complaint online with the Internet Crime Complaint Center, a joint project of the FBI and the National White Collar Crime Center. In addition, you can file complaints about specific types of fraud complaints with the following agencies:

    * Commodities Fraud: Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC)

    • Consumer Fraud: Federal Trade Commission: https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/

    * Securities Fraud: SEC Enforcement Division Complaint Center or your state securities regulators.

    That second one would be the relevant one in this case.

  268. box of entenmens cookies October 17, 2009 at 10:58 am #

    Nutmeg needs to give a statement right away.
    she clearly has access to a computer, so let’s have a statement please.

    if I were part of the group I would try to have us all band together and demand one… it is owed to you all.

  269. Trudy October 17, 2009 at 11:01 am #

    Thanks PD..I needed that clarification…whew…

    I have to run out the door and I also want to add that the “aunty’s had good intentions. I truly believe that! Who wouldn’t want to help a “starving child anywhere!”

    I was in a cat rescue group..I don’t want an animal to go hungry let alone a child.

    But, after all the facts, the data, the conflicting information that has been uncovered there are still supporters…My God!

    Mr. NutCase stated in his article that they have over 300-400 supporters (not just Etsy) If each of these supporters gave $10…a minimum of $10 that would add up in the thousands!

    Why did she go to Nepal (China) to get a visa? Why did she ask me to lie for her to my contact about why she was going?

    It is unethical or illegal (?) to leave a country for which your visa was expired to go to another country to go to the embassey to get a visa to enter the country to which your visa expired!….Period.

    I have many questions unanswered over in PD blog…so many..

    Nutmeg just answer them one at a time..No flowery BS just the facts…

    If I had these accusations leveled against me I would answer them ASAP and clear your tarnished name. You are bringing Etsians down with you and it isn’t fair. Don’t you have a conscience?

    I in turn will answer absolutely any question that you have. No limits…No question will be out of bounds. I have nothing to hide or gain. Trudy

  270. Trudy October 17, 2009 at 11:02 am #

    I am leaving now to go shopping. I will be back…Didn’t want others to think I was in hiding………Trudy

  271. Mary October 17, 2009 at 11:23 am #

    I just want to make it clear that I am not accusing the aunties of scamming. My opinion is “you know better you do better”. That might of come from Dr. Phil😛

    If they know better and continue the status quo, then that would make them part of the scam. They seem to have their eyes open so I think they will do good, what ever that will be.

  272. pussdaddyblogs October 17, 2009 at 11:35 am #

    Mary, I typed out almost exactly what you said last night then deleted it instead of posting it. The Auntys went into this pure of heart with good intentions. We all did. They did however go voluntarily. If they voluntarily stay even against ovewhelming evidence, then yes they are taking part in furthering this scam and by their own reluctance to just call it a day and leave it sitting are guilty by association of anything untoward that happens to anyone, Etsians and Adian included. It is not easy to admit you are wrong. I know I see threads all over about what a terrible person I am to do this to nutball, how I am disparaging her character and slandering her and I am an awful person, and it not easy to read it, but you gotta to what you gotta do.

    PussDaddy

  273. pussdaddyblogs October 17, 2009 at 11:36 am #

    Buy me something Trudy! Just joking.🙂

    PussDaddy

  274. Trudy October 17, 2009 at 11:45 am #

    Ohhh puss….You are funny….grocies for my furry babies and pie…lots of pie!!! because I ate the one I bought yesterday..ha

    Yep, you gotta do what you gotta do! Stand up…

    Try getting a convo from a sweet auntie that read…”I hope you die from a brain tumor the same way your twin Jude died!”

    Fun times had by all…but I got so many that said, “I agree with you 100%, but am scared to write it! I have been getting a more than usual amounts of anonymous hearts lately…ha

    Ok…now I am out of here…Wish I could just go shopping in my boxers..that’s my usual “Uniform lately!” (oh and t-shirt!) ha…

    I’ll be back later…should get interesting….Me!

  275. Jenn October 17, 2009 at 11:45 am #

    OK maybe this question can’t be answered without a doubt right now – but…

    Is there truly a child called Adia?

    Yes, I’ve seen photos of the child, and photos of nutmeg with her, but is there proof that those photos weren’t taken before while they were out somewhere? Is there proof that there is a child who is being helped?

    I just have this gut feeling that there IS no Adia, so her well-being wouldn’t be an issue here. I know there are thousands (millions) of children just like Adia in India – is there absolute proof that this one child is being helped?

  276. Trudy October 17, 2009 at 12:04 pm #

    Adia is the name that Nutcase gave to a child in the street. She claimed that there was a rumor by the people around the family that had observed them for years…had another child who died from starvation and one who disappeared.

    She then said she didn’t want to get the parents in trouble over a rumor. My friend was going to investigate to see if such a family exsisted. He was going to meet Nutcase in the beggining area, but she said that she did not want him there.

    He was going to observe from a distance as just someone observing from afar. NM was given information about this.

    She said that she wanted to spend “alone time” with Adia…

    If an American Dr. was at your disposal to “observe and assist you……..Would you turn him away? Seriously!

    and it happened the day at the hospital also. He was staying near the University and was waiting, and waiting and waiting for me to contact him….The last convo I got from Nutcase was that she was going to take her to a private hospital!

    No one (hospital staff) knew me or knew that my Dr. friend was going to be silently observing behind a desk to make sure that parents gave the correct name and to assess the situation.

    He has an excellent reputation at the hospital and did not want to cause rifts until he verified the child…

    I made this perfectly clear to NM…so why would she run around and ask about him? He was doing it as a favor for his wife……..

    Trudy…now off to store

    If someone is interested in Adia’s real name that NM gave me please convo me…Trudy (of course this is after she stated that the child was NOT given a name!)

  277. Trudy October 17, 2009 at 12:06 pm #

    oops begging area

  278. pussdaddyblogs October 17, 2009 at 12:19 pm #

    It is my belief that there is no Adia.

  279. shameonyou October 17, 2009 at 12:55 pm #

    If I were helping a child in dire need I for sure would keep posting pics of their progress especially after money has been given. Why is it that the only pic I recall is one of nutmeg holding a child on the floor? Where are the pics of the child in the Hospital? Why take the child to a private hospital if you are in need of funding to keep her care going? especially when Trudy had contacts waiting for the child at a different hospital? Just as the church thing that was mentioned by fancypants that entire fiasco involving the hospital was evasive.

    Trudy, the cruelty of some to send you convos with such cruel messages, they are degrading human beings and only look for the fastest way to cause your heart to hurt. I am sorry you had to deal with those hateful convos and I do hope you forwarded to Etsy, I sincerely hope Etsy admin is closely watching and hopefully they are taking action… (wishful thinking I know)

  280. pussdaddyblogs October 17, 2009 at 12:58 pm #

    Nutjob and her uladog will probably outlast every damn one of you on Etsy, it is sad to say.

    PussDaddy

  281. shameonyou October 17, 2009 at 1:15 pm #

    has any of this been forwarded to the many online news sources that ran the Adia story? That might be a good idea, I wonder what else they can uncover.

  282. pussdaddyblogs October 17, 2009 at 1:38 pm #

    What about that Sharon Fernandez reporter chick, is she real or just a scam, too?

    PussDaddy

  283. Seriously? October 17, 2009 at 1:52 pm #

    Good question, PD. I was wondering that myself.

  284. Not Really Surprised October 17, 2009 at 2:33 pm #

    This is getting silly now.

    Are there not enough facts with links and highly suspect parts of the whole story without going into weird stuff about reporters not existing and there not being a child who has been passed of in photos and reports by Nutmeg as Adia.

    There is plenty to condemn the whole venture without making stuff up and turning it into a total joke just as making fun of Lark was not necessary.

    There is reselling, there is lying, there is a story that doesn’t add up, no need to write your own freakin major conspiracy about fictional reporters writing fictional articles, she took the details on line or by phone she could have been told anything to write down. She checked if it was true with one of the Auntys, how could they know anymore than they had been told by Nutmeg

    Some of this has to be for real. The Auntys are in a bad enough situation without making it worse.

  285. Sally October 17, 2009 at 2:38 pm #

    It is unethical or illegal (?) to leave a country for which your visa was expired to go to another country to go to the embassey to get a visa to enter the country to which your visa expired!….Period.
    ————————————————

    I’ve traveled a bit, and yes, it actually is quite common to visit the embassy of another country to get a visa re-issued. However, Nutmeg knew this, yet, claimed she might not have to go, building up the drama because OH NO, now I have to leave! She knew that the visa couldn’t be re-issued in India.

    As for the reporter, I did see a post with a link to a newspaper where apparently an article was printed. I don’t have that link though.

  286. Sally October 17, 2009 at 2:39 pm #

    Has her re-selling information been submitted to Etsy? If so, does anyone know when?

  287. pussdaddyblogs October 17, 2009 at 2:43 pm #

    No, it isn’t enough, not really surprised.

    PussDaddy

  288. pussdaddyblogs October 17, 2009 at 2:50 pm #

    Remember the link where she was trippin’ balls on ditch weed?

    http://junelaela.blogspot.com/

    Someone suggested looking up what part of her name means which leads to this

    echolalia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echolalia

    I think psychopathology fits best, don’t you?

    But if you click further on that link, on the profile

    http://www.blogger.com/profile/09414823711642490614

    for occupation it says er…uh…..welll

    and under interests one of the interests is eat the rich.

    PussDaddy

  289. pussdaddyblogs October 17, 2009 at 2:53 pm #

    I think Sharon Fernandez is most likely real. I talked to her by email and googled her. I just think she doesn’t work at the most well put together visually or however you want to say it newspaper.

    PussDaddy

  290. pussdaddyblogs October 17, 2009 at 2:55 pm #

    I twittered a bunch of crap about all of this today.

    PussDaddy

  291. pussdaddyblogs October 17, 2009 at 3:00 pm #

    I do believe she has been reported to Etsy Sally. I have seen several say they reported her I am not sure that Etsy admin are intelligent enough to see past crap such as “I apprenticed with a master toy maker” to refurbish this doll, and men traipsing across the country with baskets of dolls on their heads and crap to see much past a good item blurb into the truth.

    PussDaddy

  292. Chantelle October 17, 2009 at 3:31 pm #

    I also feel for the aunties that are involved… They clearly had generous hearts and wanted to do some good. I find it sad that nutmeg used them in this scam because their efforts deserve better.

    I also don’t think that their kid should be made fun of… She’s as much (maybe more) a victim of the nutmegs than anyone else, because she has no choice. I believe that the nutmegs love her very much, but I worry about what ethics Lark will learn from them.

    Then again, I don’t know the nutmegs three so I can’t really say anything about lark…. My vague concerns are just that, vague. I hope for the very best for Lark.

  293. Lo&Behold October 17, 2009 at 3:39 pm #

    I don’t know why but every time I read the word “aunties”, I feel like throwing up a little. Something about that word is so ridiculously annoying. Okay, I digress. Sorry.

  294. Chantelle October 17, 2009 at 3:50 pm #

    That’s ok, lo&behold… I felt the same way about the name “adia” given to the child. There was something about it that bothered me, which is why I’ve always referred to the child as “the child” and not “adia”.

  295. kitten October 17, 2009 at 3:54 pm #

    Chantelle said:

    I also don’t think that their kid should be made fun of… She’s as much (maybe more) a victim of the nutmegs than anyone else, because she has no choice. I believe that the nutmegs love her very much, but I worry about what ethics Lark will learn from them.
    ________________

    I think Lark is adorable. While I feel she is loved, I also worry about what ethics she will be taught. I feel she is a victim too. I really don’t think these two have enough sense (not to mention morals) to raise a child.

  296. pussdaddyblogs October 17, 2009 at 3:57 pm #

    I didn’t like the name Adia either and in fact kept spelling it Aida on my blog and had to go back and change it. Also I do not like Auntys, because for one thing plural would be Aunties, and I especially hate it when people pronounce it On-tie. I know that is how it probably should be pronounced, but I just grew up hearing it pronounced An-tie.

    PussDaddy

  297. Mary October 17, 2009 at 4:17 pm #

    Lo&Behold Says:

    I don’t know why but every time I read the word “aunties”, I feel like throwing up a little. Something about that word is so ridiculously annoying. Okay, I digress. Sorry.
    ***

    I feel the same way about “HUZZAH!”. Unfortunately it is stuck in my head and I want to include it in all of my posts.

    ex)
    Nutmeg scammed her customers. HUZZAH!

  298. Trudy October 17, 2009 at 4:40 pm #

    HUZZAH! I can’t stand Auntys….(not the people the title) and OMG I have to think everytime I spell the child’s name…

    I think I’ll call her Vicki (for Victim) and I always refer to the Aunty’s as supporters…Who can think of another name?

    Heh Sally….This should tickle you…and the reason for my thinking something was amiss….

    When informed that the Dr. friend and his friends were reading the posts to get information regarding “Vicki” and her location Nutcase replied…: ( I’ll paraphraze I had to go through a lot of flowery BS to get to it..) :

    “Yikes..I would have never mentioned going to Nepal for a visa if I thought someone “official” would be reading my posts.

    If you can explain (in other words lie) to them that we’re visiting Pokhara and Kathmandu and then coming back in a couple of weeks …”

  299. Trudy October 17, 2009 at 5:05 pm #

    Shameonyou.I’m sorry I didn’t see your post. I wasn’t ignoring you…Thank you for your kind support and wonderful words. Wow..

    What’s funny was when Uladag…you know ulading, dang, dong wrote that thread and then posted…”I dare you to convo me!” Well, I did and he never convoed me back…ha..What a joke! Big bad ass…

    Street Hustlers without any conscience that is a very scary and sick combination….

    I can go to a dog rescue group find an abused starving dog and have my picture taken with one and I could send an SOS out to Etsy and within an hr. get hundreds of donations from Etsians… to feed, Vet, and rescue…(if permitted to solicit donations) Why in the hell was Vicki’s thread allowed to stay open!

    But of course I had to prime the pump first…

    I just visited a pound and they are going to put this beautiful lab down..She is covered in fleas and has been used in dog fights..I have seen the ravages of her wounds. The flies contiue to make ways into her sores as I hold her head in my lap. blah, blah, blah…..

    Of course she is pregnant and I now have to care for her puppies and she’s in distress blah, blah, blah…The dog’s a runner and I now have to build a fence. blah, blah,

    The vet said that she needs surgery blah, blah, blah…

    OK…now the one dog is taken care of…OMG…there is a whole kennel full of dogs that need TLC….

    KEEP THOSE CARDS AND LETTERS COMING IN FOLKS!!!

    Oh, I can prove it…I got this picture here. See that’s me..that’s the dog. I write all about the flies and stuff so dang why are you all being so mean to me!!!!

    WHY CAN’T YOU ALL JUST LEAVE BRITTANEY ALONE!!!!! (think Brittaney Spears video!!!!)

  300. kitten October 17, 2009 at 5:28 pm #

    Uladag = misternutmeg / nutmeg

  301. beenwatching October 17, 2009 at 5:55 pm #

    So I checked out that newly revealed blog… And looked at the contributors…

    Is this her guy using a different name or what?
    http://blel.blogspot.com/

    More weirdness.

    Been watching this all from the very beginning, and while I was at first surprised (considering I was fond of Nutmeg’s posts) I’m no longer surprised in the least – ugh what a mess.

  302. Sally October 17, 2009 at 7:01 pm #

    Trudy, thanks for that nugget. Would love to see the whole link, if you have it.

    We’ve got to barrage Admin so hopefully someone will do something. Maybe another thread will get started as that seems to get their attention.

  303. Sally October 17, 2009 at 7:24 pm #

    I mean, Admin can’t be this blind to what has now become obvious.

  304. Trudy October 17, 2009 at 7:33 pm #

    been watching…OOOOOOhhhhhh I think you are onto something…He has red hair and go to Recent Posts and then to …… I’ve been very low energy lately..echo is gone..

    Well it sure makes one go hmmmmm….I can’t remember his birthday? What was that Uladag (or whatever birthday?) I know it mas the same…Was he a capricorn? I’m going to see if I can find it….

    Sally it was in a convo….That was the meat of it..the rest is BS flowery crap…and descriptions of India over and over ad nauseum………ugh….She stated no less than 5 times that she was worried that Vicki would be taken away from her if anyone investigated!!!! Golden Goose?

  305. Lo&Behold October 17, 2009 at 8:21 pm #

    Trudy– He was a Scorpio. I remember because Charles Manson is too. Ew.

  306. shameonyou October 17, 2009 at 8:31 pm #

    don’t you all just love the quote on hubby’s myspace page?
    “Do I contradict myself, very well I contradict myself,for I am large and have many multitudes”

    something about it just fits so… well.

    http://www.myspace.com/MonsieurGodot
    background is VERY busy so if you want to read you will have to highlight the text to make it visible.

  307. Mary October 17, 2009 at 8:39 pm #

    http://blogs.myspace.com/MonsieurGodot

    Check out the post from Nov 23 2007. It’s pretty good actually.
    Here is a snippet:

    “Righteousness comes from not only doing what is good,but fighting what is not.

    This is perhaps a trite example indeed-but it serves to illustrate the point that our society has taken a turn towards pathological levels of selfishness and denial.We can no longer see beyond the meagre expanse of our own lives to either admit to giving of ourselves,or to admit the evil that we have selfishly horded with a casual sense of entitlement.”

    and

    “We grow fat on our lack of moral compunction, we feed off of others as though they were as dispensable as the goods that they produce.”

  308. Mary October 17, 2009 at 8:42 pm #

    Oops I should have mentioned that the quotes came from the husband’s blog.

  309. Mary October 17, 2009 at 8:51 pm #

    You know what… I am going to post the whole entry. Once again It was taken from http://blogs.myspace.com/MonsieurGodot

    “There is no ending not followed by a beginning,there is no
    darkness not followed by a light.All things in the end will either be destroyed of their own wickedness,or become great by the light that is in them”.

    The other day I was in distress over something,and walked up to a man on the street to ask him for directions.He refused to even acknowledge me, and walked right by me as though I did not exist.That was wrong.I will not sit down and suffer injustice as though I accept the pretense that to do so brings me “righteousness”.Righteousness comes from not only doing what is good,but fighting what is not.

    This is perhaps a trite example indeed-but it serves to illustrate the point that our society has taken a turn towards pathological levels of selfishness and denial.We can no longer see beyond the meagre expanse of our own lives to either admit to giving of ourselves,or to admit the evil that we have selfishly horded with a casual sense of entitlement.

    To do nothing in the presence of evil, to witness without speaking against it- amounts to complicity.

    To suffer injury to oneself is to be a saint-but to do this is to grasp a release from seity into a higher cause that subsumes one-to simply stand idly by while injustice is being perpetrated is to do injury to that very higher cause.

    There is too often in our culture the opinion that to rail against something as unjust is merely to bend ones eyes towards the ill and ill-formed in life,as though we should just as easily turn away from all that offends us into something that we find more suitable.We live in a world so grossly compartmentalized that it offers us a plethora of distractions in every direction-so many that it would seem that we are only glutting ourselves with malcontent to point out the numerous places where our society is disturbing.We are given lip-service to the good,while all around that which is evil grows more subdolous and invisible.

    We are given images of the passivity of social struggle,forgetting the boldness that such struggle encompassed, even in its meekness.We have seen the mettle of opposition melt itself into a flaccid whining, a pretense of opposition to slake our own social conscience.When others are not decent human beings we forgive them on account of their lack of “manners” as though their actions could be glossed over by concepts of society and patriotism or any other of the excuses we use to justify anything from the smallest to the greatest of atrocities.We take shelter behind the idea that we are safe from gross misdeed by the seamless manner in which our society hides the misdeeds which it is built on,the very atrocities that allow it to function.We not only allow but refuse to admit the very hypocrisy that we deride in others.

    We grow fat on our lack of moral compunction, we feed off of others as though they were as dispensable as the goods that they produce.

    But also I must beg to say:
    That to look at the workings of our society and blame it on factors that such as these,is to blame the symptoms as the cause of the disease they feed on.

    It is not actions that have made us what we are,what we are has made us capable of these actions.

    To sin is one thing,but to continue denying that you have sinned is tantamount, indeed that same exact thing as to continue in the same sin,every moment and in perpetuam.

    To deny is the same thing as to commit-to witness without crying out is the same thing as to participate…

  310. ig'nant October 17, 2009 at 9:09 pm #

    Here is a thread in which NM partially explains her names. I remember there being another thread in which she goes into further detail, but I don’t feel like hunting it down.

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6198964&page=5

    Using a bunch of different names for your online persona isn’t uncommon at all. Many artists and writers use stage names, assumed names, noms de plume, professional names, etc., that are different than their legal ones.

  311. CWebster October 17, 2009 at 10:30 pm #

    It’s funny how all these wanna-be private dicks (pardon the pun) Google a few names, then draw half-baked conclusions couched in fallacy, when all the while they themselves have no credibility whatsoever.

    “EdCBuyer” – har har – is a *sockpuppet.* Anonymous posters are either (a) chicken-shit cowards, or (b) trolls. Why should anyone give one ounce of credence to anything they have to say?

    These misguided nimrods who take it upon themselves to police everybody need to just shut the fuck up and go find another hobby.

  312. Chantelle October 17, 2009 at 10:30 pm #

    Thanks for posting that, Mary! Wow, all those words and thoughts because someone ignored him? Umm, I’ve seen pictures of him on the web and if he tried to talk to me, I’d probably ignore him, too.

    How arrogant is it for him to compare the person ignoring him to atrocities and hypocrasies. Clearly he’s not as important ot the world as he thinks he is.

    Ig’nant, people do use lots of names on the internet, yes… But nutmeg uses more than most people do and she has more than would be suitable for a professional artist. It’s probably the right amount of names for a reseller, however.

  313. edcbyer October 17, 2009 at 10:38 pm #

    @ig’nant:

    Yes, that’s true; a lot of people do use various online names. That would not signal a question necessarily to me. For me the question concerns the variability of names in real life. For instance, her letter to the media is signed “Echo June Vincent”–where did the name June come from?

    http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:Wy6jvbX-eo0J:adiainindia.hrafnsvartr.com/media/adia.pdf+echo+june+vincent+Hyderabad&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

    (Scroll to top and click on blue link for PDF file with photo, signature, and phone number.)

  314. edcbyer October 17, 2009 at 10:43 pm #

    And again…not proof of anything, necessarily; just one more thing I’d want to know more about, personally, before sending her cash through Paypal for this child.

  315. Chantelle October 17, 2009 at 10:45 pm #

    Cwebester, edcbyer did explain why s/he posted as a sockpuppet. That isn’t important, however. The reselling and strange name things edcbyer uncovered about nutmeg are what’s important here.
    the reason it’s important is that it points to this whole thing nutmeg started as being a scam. And since they’ve asked for money and coverage from news sources, asking these questions makes sense.

    I’m thinking that you don’t like this type of questioning because it exposes you for the slacker you are: a 40-year-old “full-time” ebay seller who can’t make ends meet, who won’t look for any other work that would pay the bills, and who gets someone to do his begging for him. How many people would have given you money if they knew all this? Fewer than actually did give you anything, I suspect.

    People aren’t going to stop questioning nutmeg’s actions. I hope that nutmeg’s scam and the begging done on your behalf do result in more people questioning those who ask for money. Watching good people get taken by con artists is so sad.

  316. CWebster October 17, 2009 at 10:48 pm #

    She’s a hippie… They use pseudonyms, big deal. Echo June Rainforest Jitterbug Frootloop… What the hell difference does it make?

  317. Bedazzled Condom October 17, 2009 at 10:49 pm #

    “These misguided nimrods who take it upon themselves to police everybody need to just shut the fuck up and go find another hobby.”

    My goodness, CWebster, who pissed in your (donated) cornflakes?

    Look on the bright side, old man. Less money for Adia = more money for you and your clearly superior needs.

  318. CWebster October 17, 2009 at 10:50 pm #

    And if they’re allegedly stealing people’s money, what exactly are they spending it on? Not themselves, from what I’ve seen of their photos.

  319. Sally October 17, 2009 at 10:54 pm #

    hahahahahahaha CWebster!!! Look at the pot calling the kettle black about credibility. Taking people’s hard earned money simply because you were too lazy to get a paying job when eBay sales slowed.

    if you’ve followed the whole story, there are absolutely many things that do not connect. The reselling evidence alone is quite accurate.

    And Nutmeg’s very own post wanting to photoshop Adia’s hand to replace her daughter’s is very telling. Talk about deceptive.

  320. edcbyer October 17, 2009 at 10:54 pm #

    @CWebster:

    I have drawn no conclusions; I have raised questions. Why isn’t your friend in here answering them?

    There is nothing wrong with asking honest questions of someone who is collecting money for a cause; no matter how nice they are or how much of an internet friend they’ve become. And no one should be made to feel like a jerk for asking them. This fear is what scammers play upon, though.

    One of the 10 most common internet scams is called The Sweetheart Swindle, where a person will make friends online, engage your trust, and then work through that friendship to convince you (even subtley) to send them money. This is not necessarily what is going on in this case, but if it’s happening on a yearly basis online, doesn’t it make sense to ask questions? And why wouldn’t a legit operation answer them?

  321. CWebster October 17, 2009 at 10:54 pm #

    “My goodness, CWebster, who pissed in your (donated) cornflakes?”

    Why the jealousy, Troll-y McTrollerson? Did your crack pipe break and you can’t afford a replacement?

  322. CWebster October 17, 2009 at 10:57 pm #

    “I have drawn no conclusions; I have raised questions. Why isn’t your friend in here answering them?”

    Perhaps because she doesn’t owe a sockpuppet an explanation…

  323. Bedazzled Condom October 17, 2009 at 11:00 pm #

    Awww, how sweet. The unemployed, middle aged man who can’t keep a roof over his head without accepting money from 20 year old women is worried about little old me.

    I’m so touched.

  324. Sally October 17, 2009 at 11:02 pm #

    Hey, CWebster, once you got the funds you needed to cover your bills and taxes (which should have already been set aside after a sale if you were operating your business wisely), why keep taking people’s hard earned money?

    Why not say thank you so much everyone, for helping me get back on my feet? Why not then donate the surplus to a church or food bank?

    Pathetic. You won’t admit it because you’re so defensive, but deep down inside you know you’re a loser. Taking advantage of good people.

    Shame on you.

  325. edcbyer October 17, 2009 at 11:05 pm #

    @CWebster:

    “Perhaps because she doesn’t owe a sockpuppet an explanation…”

    Maybe not…but I think she does owe those who’ve given her money one. And maybe also the prospective buyers of that $1300 worth of merchandise listed on Etsy supporting her cause.

  326. CWebster October 17, 2009 at 11:09 pm #

    Shame on me? I’m 100 times the human being you are, Sally. You see, I don’t pry into other people’s lives and presume to tell them how to live them. A moral beacon such as yourself should know better. Tsk, tsk.

  327. Mary October 17, 2009 at 11:11 pm #

    CWebster please take some of that good karma and pass it along as a form of not fighting with people for 24 hours.

  328. Bedazzled Condom October 17, 2009 at 11:12 pm #

    Chris is right. He doesn’t pry into other people’s lives.

    Just their bank accounts.

  329. Sally October 17, 2009 at 11:14 pm #

    Pry? Ha! You’re the one who has blasted his idiocy all over the forums, and pussdaddy’s blog for all to see. Safe to fight behind the security of a computer, yes?

    Good one Mary.

  330. CWebster October 17, 2009 at 11:14 pm #

    As for “taking people’s hard earned money,” that’s up to the giver, is it not? There are no strings attached to altruism.

  331. xxxxxxxxx October 17, 2009 at 11:14 pm #

    You know something. You are all cheapening yourselves here.

    There is more than enough proof of wrongdoings by Nutmeg without looking back for something someone said four years before all this blew up.

    Yes, to us they are weird and were even more weird four years ago but that doesnt prove them cheats or liars, just strange.

    They are probably freeloaders too but:

    I think Adia does exist.
    I think Nutmeg did get stressed and upset about her condition.
    I think initially she did try to help her.

    what I dont think is that Nutmeg handed out to the beggars the amount of money she claims she did.

    I think a few rupees went to the family and the rest went to Nutmeg but of course there is no proof so that is purely speculation.

    These are all things that cant be proved. Lets stick to stuff that can.

    Nutmeg is a reseller or items which she claims to have repaired and repainted herself when in actual fact they are mass produced. Whether by fair trade workers or slave labourers is not known.

    It would seem that the clothes and other items are bought in markets for a few rupees and then sold on but again that is speculation but I would think probably true. While she was supposedly running around trying to help Adia there were still items going into her shop. I doubt she had the time or the patience to sit at a sewing machine at that time when if we are to believe her, the stress level was at max.

    She has admitted in the forums that she wants to sell embroidery on behalf of street beggars or maybe she just wants to sell embroidery that she has bought in markets.

    The Uladag issue was despicable and again regardless who it was, friend, husband or herself, it stooped to the lowest of the low. It also proved almost conclusively shilling.

    Nutmeg herself brought all this on herself when she brought it into Etsy. No, she never actually asked for money but hinted strongly of the need which is the way con artists and scammers work. She drew in a group of internet friends to help her cause. These were people who didnt know her apart from reading some very flowery words over a few months but who are now standing in the firing line for her.

    Nutmeg has never once stood up and defended herself properly. She has always left that to her internet friends to do for her.

    She claims to be shy and retiring and if I remember rightly couldnt even talk to the reporter because of it but read all she has written about herself and shy and retiring is not the first phrase that springs to mind. Too full of her own importance is closer to the mark.

    It is doubtful given her past track record that they have any intention of remaining in Hyderabad even if they do ever go back. They are nomadic and cant stay in one place long.

    The name changes and birth date changes could have something to do with that but again there is no proof.

    Another truth is that at some stage maybe even now Adia is or will be on her own. She was all consuming when they were in Hyderabad but now they are in Kathmandu and another more pressing call for help has arisen. Giving material rather than second hand clothes to villagers who had lost everything. That does not ring true.

    Why does Nutmeg who is shy and retiring always have to be at the fore of any charity venture she wants to get involved with. She never seems to be happy to donate to another charity but has to start one of her own although charity is the wrong word. Is it because she has some mental problem causing attention seeking? Or it could be that by being top dog she has access to a lot more money than she would if she was an underdog.

    At the age of 26 there are not enough days for her to have done all the things she says she has, again speculation. She has obviously never been gainfully employed and neither has her husband so they must either have a letigimate private income or they are adept at freeloading and conning.

    Her for want of a better word, aunties have stood firm behind her and have not participated in this discussion (apart from one). My thoughts are that they are just waiting until it all dies down so they can start all over again with the help Adia thing.

    That is why you need to stick purely to the facts and that is why you need to work at getting her removed permanently from Etsy. Mud throwing will not work but proof throwing will.

  332. Trudy October 17, 2009 at 11:15 pm #

    Lo&Behold …He and Charlie Manson huh? Now THAT is funny..

    If I read one more writing from Mr. Nutcase I think I’ll poke my eyes out. My God that couple could not be any more perfect for each other. I would hate to see their “Xmas letter” to their friends and family. It takes entire pages to say Merry Christmas! ha…

    You guys are funny…Love it!

    Classic line..”Who pissed in your (donated) cornflakes!!!!! OMG

    No comment to CWebster

  333. Sally October 17, 2009 at 11:18 pm #

    Yes, it is up to the giver. They thought you really needed it. I thought you really needed it. I wish I had known that you weren’t trying to make ends meet for yourself other than an eBay site that was losing sales. There are many others that wish they knew also.

    Once the eBay site wasn’t working out, why not try and find a job that pays? That’s all that people really want to know.

  334. CWebster October 17, 2009 at 11:19 pm #

    Sure, laugh at someone else’s expense. You’re just making yourselves look even more petty and bitter.

  335. Bedazzled Condom October 17, 2009 at 11:20 pm #

    “No, she never actually asked for money but hinted strongly of the need which is the way con artists and scammers work.”

    cough cough *CWebster* cough cough

  336. CWebster October 17, 2009 at 11:21 pm #

    Here’s what this is really about: “How come people gave to cweb and not MEEEEEEEE?? *whine, whine, stomp, stomp*”

    Kinda pathetic, methinks.

  337. Sally October 17, 2009 at 11:22 pm #

    Yes, I too am done with CWebster. Not worth my breath.

    Excellent post xxxxxxx.

  338. Bedazzled Condom October 17, 2009 at 11:27 pm #

    “Here’s what this is really about: “How come people gave to cweb and not MEEEEEEEE?? *whine, whine, stomp, stomp*””

    Yes, that’s what it’s about. You figured it out. All my posts here have actually been veiled pleas for money and shoes.

    Darn, my cover is blown. How on earth will I pay my bills now?

  339. Mary October 17, 2009 at 11:28 pm #

    Cwebster you are looking for another fight aren’t you? Doesn’t this make you tired? Do you want another hundred posts debating whether or not you’re a loser? I wouldn’t. It has to take a toll mentally at least so give yourself a break.

    Anyways I won’t direct any more comments to you so do what you will.

  340. CWebster October 17, 2009 at 11:28 pm #

    If she’s a reseller, flag her items. The end. What’s with all the verbosity and superfluous allegations?

    Oh, that’s right – Lookit me! Give me attention!

  341. Sally October 17, 2009 at 11:30 pm #

    Bedazzled, you’re killing me! I will send some cornflakes. That haven’t been pissed on. 😉

  342. CWebster October 17, 2009 at 11:31 pm #

    “Cwebster you are looking for another fight aren’t you?”

    Some lunatic loser writes an ignorant blog post berating me, and I’m looking for a fight? Nice spin there, but anyone with half a brain sees the situation for what it really is.

  343. CWebster October 17, 2009 at 11:32 pm #

    Nobody cares how you pay your bills, Sally, cuz that’s how it works… Your life is your business and my life is mine. Get it? Or do you need me to draw up a diagram for you?

  344. Bedazzled Condom October 17, 2009 at 11:33 pm #

    It’s time to fess up, ladies.

    Which one of you sent CWebster the care package of booze?

  345. Bedazzled Condom October 17, 2009 at 11:34 pm #

    “Your life is your business and my life is mine.”

    You can’t really be this stupid, can you? At 40?

    It boggles the mind, it do.

  346. edcbyer October 17, 2009 at 11:35 pm #

    I see/smell diversionary tactic going on in here. And, just MHO, but I think this thread would greatly benefit from some concerted effort to ignore off-topic derailment by addressing only on-topic posts.

  347. Mary October 17, 2009 at 11:36 pm #

    I agree with edcbyer

  348. Sally October 17, 2009 at 11:39 pm #

    Nutmeg is back in India, but nothing new has been listed. Not a word from her in the Etsy forums. Anyone know if she’s been to the Adia Forums? Just curious what the status is.

  349. CWebster October 17, 2009 at 11:40 pm #

    “I see/smell diversionary tactic going on in here.”

    I’m quite sure you also believe in aliens and a second gunman on the grassy knoll…

    I hear there are remarkably effective paranoia medications nowadays.

  350. Sally October 17, 2009 at 11:40 pm #

    Agreed, edcbyer.

  351. CWebster October 17, 2009 at 11:42 pm #

    What boggles the mind, bedazzled, is how a mature adult can go around posing as a talking rubber.

  352. edcbyer October 17, 2009 at 11:42 pm #

    Thanks, all. Sally, I noticed only some rearrangement of pictures in her blog that occurred sometime in the last couple days.

  353. Bedazzled Condom October 17, 2009 at 11:43 pm #

    Now he’s an MD! Unbelievable. What hidden talent will he surprise us with next?

    (Pssst, edc, it’s not off topic. It only looks that way right now. All roads lead to the same end. Patience is a virtue.)

  354. Mary October 17, 2009 at 11:44 pm #

    I don’t know anything new. I asked if there was an update on Adia but I haven’t heard anything or found anything. You know for all I have said I really do hope there is an Adia and she is getting proper treatment. I would apologize in a heartbeat to the aunties if that was true.

  355. Bedazzled Condom October 17, 2009 at 11:45 pm #

    “What boggles the mind, bedazzled, is how a mature adult can go around posing as a talking rubber.”

    How do you know I’m an adult?

    Have you been PRYING into my life, old man?

  356. Sally October 17, 2009 at 11:45 pm #

    I don’t know why it feels disconcerting. She was so public, so effusive, apparently so genuinely concerned with Adia’s well-being…..well, something seems off that she’s suddenly gone silent.

  357. CWebster October 17, 2009 at 11:46 pm #

    “Have you been PRYING into my life, old man?”

    Considering you don’t have one, that would be rather difficult, no?

  358. Lexie October 17, 2009 at 11:49 pm #

    Where does it say she is back in India? I can’t find any posts about that.

  359. Bedazzled Condom October 17, 2009 at 11:51 pm #

    Of course I have a life, you silly old man.

    I even paid for it myself. By working.

    FYI: working = something people with self-respect and integrity do to pay their bills.

  360. pussdaddyblogs October 17, 2009 at 11:52 pm #

    Sunday, October 18, 2009
    Bad Experiences Buying A Dress From Nutmeg Click Stories (Nutmegclick Is A Reseller)

    http://pussdaddyblogs.blogspot.com/2009/10/bad-experiences-buying-dress-from.html

    P.S. Pay no attention to cwebster. His little panties are in a wad becasue he is getting his freeloading ass kicked all over my blog.

    PD

  361. Sally October 17, 2009 at 11:53 pm #

    Lexie, actually, that was an assumption I made. I could be wrong. I was notified when her shop re-opened, so I just thought that meant she was back in India.

    Even still, I’m surprised she didn’t update anyone from Nepal. There are many, many internet cafes in Nepal, especially in touristic areas such as Kathmandu and Pokhara.

  362. xxxxxxxxxxxx October 17, 2009 at 11:54 pm #

    Does anyone actually care about the Nutmeg problem now or are we going to concentrate on CWebster now.

    Can we please ignore him or if you do have any arguments with him keep them to his own sponging thread.

  363. Mary October 17, 2009 at 11:55 pm #

    It was posted here earlier that she logged int to her myspace account on the 16th and another poster said that she had read this thread.

  364. CWebster October 17, 2009 at 11:55 pm #

    Haha, self-respect and integrity… On Etsy? Good one.

    Well, I’ll leave you swaggering ninnies to your pseudo-intellectual circle jerk. ‘Night, all.

    *waves to the queen of staph infections*

  365. Lexie October 17, 2009 at 11:56 pm #

    Sally, I don’t think she is back in India. I think she is still in Nepal. She was in their forum an hour ago but didn’t post openly.

  366. Sally October 17, 2009 at 11:58 pm #

    There’s no money in Nutmeg’s paypal to cover the refund? OMG.

  367. Lexie October 17, 2009 at 11:59 pm #

    The latest posting from Kathmandu was when she said she had food poisoning – just after this thread opened I think.

    Strange how when something dramatic happens here something more dramatic happens there.

  368. Sally October 18, 2009 at 12:01 am #

    Ah, thanks Lexie. I thought I remember her posting she was only going for two weeks to get the visa. Well, plans do change. I wonder why she’s not posting in even the private section of the Adia forum?

  369. Bedazzled Condom October 18, 2009 at 12:03 am #

    “Haha, self-respect and integrity… On Etsy? Good one.”

    Is it my imagination or did Chris just insult all the kind souls from ETSY who sent him money and gifts?

  370. Sally October 18, 2009 at 12:03 am #

    Her shop is open, and it says items are being shipped from India. I suppose somene else could be doing that.

  371. Lexie October 18, 2009 at 12:04 am #

    She was only going for two weeks supposedly but there were carnivals and goodness knows what else so obviously the Embassy was closed or busy or something. Anyway she said she would have to be away longer and then all this Nepal village destruction thing happened and she seems to have forgotten about Adia apart from a very short post supposedly saying that Adia is in a government hospital and has put on 1.5 kgs but obviously no proof of that.

  372. edcbyer October 18, 2009 at 12:04 am #

    Thanks, xxxxxxx (see post 346)–only two people have been carrying it on since.

    I’m so sorry about that gal who lost her $$ on the dress.

  373. Sally October 18, 2009 at 12:06 am #

    And two more negative feedbacks that the items weren’t received, and letters of inquiry weren’t responded to.

    dun dun DUN.

  374. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 12:09 am #

    Nope, no money in her account to cover the refund.

  375. Bedazzled Condom October 18, 2009 at 12:10 am #

    Edc, once again, since you obviously missed it the first time around……”Pssst, edc, it’s not off topic. It only looks that way right now. All roads lead to the same end. Patience is a virtue.”

  376. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 12:12 am #

    Also, that email came from a person who I am very familiar with and who has thousands of sales on Etsy. I trust her and what she says to be factual or I would not have posted it.

  377. Lexie October 18, 2009 at 12:12 am #

    Unfortunately Etsy won’t act on any of these things. They have their money so to Hell with anyone else.

    All this lands squarely at the door of Etsy. They were warned right from the start about the problems this donations thing could and would cause and they allowed thread after thread to be opened, some of them running long after they were flagged and should have been closed.

    Why would they bother about some poor person who paid for an item and didn’t get either the dress or her money and why would they close her down just because she happens to get loads of negative feedback.

    They only close down the ones that will go quietly and without any fuss.

  378. Mary October 18, 2009 at 12:13 am #

    Bedazzled I have no idea what you are talking about but man you have me curious🙂🙂🙂

  379. Bedazzled Condom October 18, 2009 at 12:13 am #

    Puss, did she pay with a credit card through PP or did she use her existing funds?

  380. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 12:16 am #

    I love how everytime cwebster opens his mouth he only emphasizes his stupidity and lack of maturity. It is not like he knows a damn thing about either buying or selling on Etsy, what with only 2 feedback. Also, it would do him well to read about my new campaign of compiling remarks made by people who piss me off, remarks like meth, and crack ho, and things of that nature, doing my own rewrite of it and putting my own spin on it, leaving the seller name on it, and sending it right the fuck to the top of every search engine I can find. There is nothing like having meth and crack ho and STD and crap attached to your username. You think you couldn’t sell anything before? lol.

    PussDaddy

  381. Sally October 18, 2009 at 12:17 am #

    I would think they’d want to close her down for the re-selling. And the shilling. Surely even they can see she is not the gleaming star they thought she was.

  382. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 12:18 am #

    I don’t know how she paid, but she is familiar enough with paypal that she should know to do a chargeback on a credit card.

  383. squeakyclean October 18, 2009 at 12:20 am #

    Pussdaddy, hahaha, stylesmith is then SO busted. LOL!

  384. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 12:21 am #

    Why don’t you come back over to my blog cwebster where the big boys play? I have noticed your abscense. Also, you are forcing me to publish the email where your forum buddies emailed me begging me to remove my blog post about you because they are getting so much grief about you. I bet if I publish that you’ll never get another red cent from anyone. So keep running your mouth. In fact, i am going to email your forum buddy right now, send her this thread, tell her I am publishing the email, and that it is because of you.

    PussDaddy

  385. Lexie October 18, 2009 at 12:23 am #

    Sally, I doubt they would close her down. At worst she will get a rap on the knuckles at best, nothing.

  386. squeakyclean October 18, 2009 at 12:25 am #

    PD, what the heck do you owe him? Publish it for the benefit of those who deserve to know the truth. And don’t even think of removing the blog post!

  387. Lexie October 18, 2009 at 12:26 am #

    Sorry – this is getting so silly.

    You are playing right into Nutmeg’s hands in completely changing the subject.

  388. Sally October 18, 2009 at 12:27 am #

    Lexie, that doesn’t make any sense. I mean, a lot of what Etsy does and doesn’t do make any sense. But this, this is huge.

    A really sad day for etsy if they don’t do the right thing.

  389. Lexie October 18, 2009 at 12:30 am #

    I got the feeling that a lot of Etsy Admin felt sympathy for the cause and left it running long after it should have stopped.

    I think they still feel sympathy for the cause and that is blocking out what they should rightly do.

    Her shop has been flagged since this thread opened and they can see all the evidence here but nothing has been done.

  390. Sally October 18, 2009 at 12:32 am #

    Lexie, do you know, when her shop was flagged, did they also include all the links?

    And what about the shilling?

    So frustrating!

  391. Lexie October 18, 2009 at 12:34 am #

    I don’t know but it does say further up the threads here and on PDblogs that it was flagged. I didn’t flag it myself though because I thought enough other people would.

    Nothing to stop it being flagged again though.

    Keep plugging away.

  392. Lexie October 18, 2009 at 12:36 am #

    And really, apart from the Adia thing which is no longer on Etsy apart from the charity listings, there are a lot of worse sellers still trading on Etsy.

  393. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 12:49 am #

    One pitiful email has now been posted on my blog.

    PussDaddy

  394. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 12:52 am #

    OMG….BREAKING NEWS!!!!!

    This is a biggie!!!!!!!! CWebster is ULADAG !!!!!! I recognize that vile anywhere…Woo Hoo….I solved it everyone!!! It took me awhile, but I figured out his MO…

    You know attempting to insult and hurt others by throwing their illness in their faces!!! Didn’t work with me and it ain’t working with PD.. So yep, Uladag (or whatever the spelling is) is CWebster!

    So can I get a free dress from India…uhm let’s see what size would a 90# woman wear? OH, and of course it is from a reseller so you know what on second thought I’m just going to have to pass on that one. I don’t want to have to pay for the postage to send it to Atlanta!

    OK Edc, I’m done carry on…I will ignore the knat in the room. You know I worry about the bumblebees in life! The knats they are just irratants that I can successfully ignore!

    We would all be better off to just ignore him. It’s easy…I will not answer any of his stupid posts!

  395. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 12:55 am #

    PD which blog? You got so many running..ha..I think I posted on all …am I the pitiful one? Just teasing..Trudy

  396. Lexie October 18, 2009 at 12:57 am #

    Sorry folks

    This is just too stupid.

    I wish you luck with all your endeavours here, whether it be the Nutmeg and Adia thing or CWebster or anything else you choose to bring in.

    For me the the subjects just don’t mix and shouldn’t be argued in the same thread.

    I hope everything gets sorted out to everyone’s satisfaction but I don’t want to be involved in this mix of different subjects.

  397. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 1:02 am #

    cwebster is uladag? 0_0?

    PussDaddy

  398. Sally October 18, 2009 at 1:06 am #

    I agree Lexie. Hopefully things will simmer down and you’ll think about coming back. I, for one, appreciate your input.

  399. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 1:07 am #

    Lexie, you need to calm down. Not everything is always going to run smoothly as planned. Shit happens. A thread may stray off topic for a bit. Even I don’t expect to go to someone else’s blog and run the damn thing as I see fit. I know you are trying to help here, but jumping up and down and yelling about stay on topic is as fricking annoying as us going off topic is to you. It will now most likely get back on track.

    PussDaddy

  400. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 1:11 am #

    Lexie…We are trying to get rid of CWebster..He just keeps poling his ass in here. That’s why I suggested that we ignore him. ugh…….We are all here for the same reason. I promise you! I’m sorry if I contributed to your frustration! Don’t leave.

    It’s 5:10 here and I am getting slap happy!

    PD Girl I have been posting on every topic that you have written about in the past 3 days..You are a very busy, busy lady…damn…

    Just kidding about the Uludag thing…They have the same amount of class! Ok over to read your blog! Trude

  401. squeakyclean October 18, 2009 at 1:20 am #

    Oh no, why did you take it down, PD?

  402. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 1:22 am #

    OK PD I was reading your blog and then it went to the page where it said that there was no blog written ..or words to that effect…What happenned?

  403. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 1:24 am #

    Why did you take it down? I was just reading your response…and then I was going to post…Do tell!

  404. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 1:34 am #

    OK it’s up everyone. I just posted…Going to bed yawn…Trudy

  405. Filbert October 18, 2009 at 5:01 am #

    HUZZAH !!!

    Only now found this – people are at last waking up and coming to their senses about the Nutcases

    Its worse than I thought.

    Reselling
    Lying
    Cheating customers
    Shilling
    Multiple identities
    Multiple birth dates
    Weirdness

    I only thought the Adia nonsense was very dubious and likely to be a scam or semi-scam (skim) based on my past experiences of such things.

    Carry on the good work of saving people from themselves and their own naivety

    HUZZAH !!!

    love Filbert

    (Netmug is irritating on top of everything else)

  406. CWebster October 18, 2009 at 5:03 am #

    Frankly, whether it’s directed at me, or Nutmeg, or whomever else is the scapegoat of the month, I find the behavior of some of the people on this blog and elsewhere deplorable. It’s cynical, small-minded people like you who suck all the goodness out of genuine acts of charity and compassion.

    I personally got down on my proverbial knees and expressed my heartfelt gratitude to each and every individual that was caring enough to help another human being in need. Now, should any of those who contributed have an issue with me – after all, those 120+ people are the only ones whose business it actually is – they’ve got my email address and can request their money back, or inquire about the specifics of my financial dilemma. I’ve nothing to hide. Thus far, not a single person has expressed to me their regret in making a donation. Not one. Zero. Zilch. On the contrary, I’ve had a couple dozen of them contact me directly telling me that PussDaddy is a twat and to ignore all the naysayers determined to foment controversy in order to make themselves look good little concerned citizens. In truth, they, the rabble-rousing minority, are bigger frauds than the people they allege are engaged in misconduct.

    My suggestion to you, “EdCBuyer” and “Sally” and PusBag, and the handful of others sitting atop their high horses, is to crack open a Bible and read Exodus 20:16, followed by your respective state statutes regarding penalties for libel.

  407. Filbert October 18, 2009 at 5:22 am #

    This isn’t about you CWebster – you got to stop thinking everything in the world revolves around you and taking over everywhere. Go play in your own playpen somewhere.

    I’m off now, better things to do. WORK to do, money to make.

    I will leave you good (and not so good) folk to fight amongst yourselves.

    No point replying, I will not be back. Too busy, life to lead.

  408. Ooooh-Rah October 18, 2009 at 5:55 am #

    CW – from the Expert Law website “Most jurisdictions also recognize “per se” defamation, where the allegations are presumed to cause damage to the plaintiff. Typically, the following may consititute defamation per se:

    •Attacks on a person’s professional character or standing;
    •Allegations that an unmarried person is unchaste;
    •Allegations that a person is infected with a sexually transmitted disease;
    •Allegations that the person has committed a crime of moral turpitude;”

    It seems to me that YOU should be the one concerned about libel laws, since you were the one that accused PD of having a “sexually transmitted disease”….

    Just saying’….

  409. kitten October 18, 2009 at 6:39 am #

    CWebster Says:

    I’m quite sure you also believe in aliens and a second gunman on the grassy knoll…

    I hear there are remarkably effective paranoia medications nowadays.
    ______________________________

    You should of gotten them instead of candy, magazines and shoes.

    You know Cwebster started a thread on Etsy saying he couldn’t handle the corporate world. All the stress was bad for his delicate senses.

  410. kitten October 18, 2009 at 6:43 am #

    Sorry about answering Cwebster… hadn’t finished all the responses yet!

  411. Cindy October 18, 2009 at 6:53 am #

    CWeb: “Frankly, whether it’s directed at me, or Nutmeg, or whomever else is the scapegoat of the month, I find the behavior of some of the people on this blog and elsewhere deplorable. It’s cynical, small-minded people like you who suck all the goodness out of genuine acts of charity and compassion.”
    *******************************************************

    WOW Cweb – I think it’s your groupies that started the whole mess by acting cynical and small-minded by attacking others that questioned your “need”. Look in your own back yard first.

  412. squeakyclean October 18, 2009 at 6:55 am #

    Someone posted under CWebster’s name, because he wouldn’t start quoting bible verses.

  413. edcbyer October 18, 2009 at 7:20 am #

    Good morning, Filbert. You and anyone else new to the thread should be sure to read comments 346, and 362-372 before proceeding in here. If you decide to hang around.

    “I find the behavior of some of the people on this blog and elsewhere deplorable.” Well, if CWebster can say it, so will I.

    In fact, between my online research and some of the comments throughout this thread, I think I’ve about had my fill of human depravity for the month. Thank you, Lexie, Mary, Sally, Chantelle, Black Tear, beenwatching, Not Really Surprised, shameonyou, kitten, Jenn, xxxxxxx, and several others in here who’ve tried to constructively address the issue in this cesspool. In that I no longer anticipate an answer to my questions in here, I’ll be pulling out of this thread–though not pulling away from this problem, to be sure.

  414. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 7:20 am #

    I had to repost my blog post about him because the fake cwebster is posting on my blog, too. I am solving it by just not moderating his comments thru on my blog anymore.

    http://pussdaddyblogs.blogspot.com/2009/10/it-seems-that-cwebsters-forum-buddies_18.html

    So now he can’t post to defend himself, and now my blog post is back at the top of my page. So what this accomplished I have no clue.

    PussDaddy

  415. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 7:27 am #

    Is that even the real edcbuyer? I wondered about that earlier. Didn’t the other edcbuyer have capital letters in their name? The reason I didn’t say anything earlier is because I though they may have capitalized it to post on etsy and it was uncapitalized on their blog.

    PussDaddy

  416. edcbyer October 18, 2009 at 7:32 am #

    *sigh* Yes, Puss, it’s the real me. I set up my account here immediately after this thread started, to prevent anyone from pretending to be me. NOTE: I will ONLY be posting on WordPress, unless I announce differently from my EdCByer WordPress blog. It’s always been lowercase letters posting comments in here. Only a mix over at Etsy and in my blog.

    And now, goodbye.

  417. edcbyer October 18, 2009 at 7:40 am #

    And darn, I just scanned, and it looks like for some reason my name in these comments DID start as a mix of lower and uppercase; I have no idea why that changed, but you can always verify that these are from me through WordPress. They’ll have my gmail account linked with my WordPress EdCByer account (and many places online, including Etsy, do not allow the same name, even with changes in lower/upper case, anyway–that may be true of WordPress). In any case, I’ll keep tabs, and I will announce from my EdCByer WordPress blog (link way above here somewhere) if there are any imposters.

    Bye now. (3rd time’s the charm, I hope.)

  418. kitten October 18, 2009 at 7:45 am #

    Somewhere above (forgive me for not searching) someone provided an Etsy forum link…”do you like your name?”

    Nutmeg posted that hers was Brittany Echo and she had gone by Echo since she was 12 or 13.

    Remember the first official Adia thread (the one where Trudy and FancyPants were asking questions) that got locked? I think Fancy had asked about Nutmeg’s previous charity and Nutmeg provided a link to the charity and I seem to remember her official “legal” name on there was (can’t remember exact spelling of Brittany), but Brittany June Vincent. She acted all embarassed saying something like, “Now you know the name my mom gave me.” I don’t think that Echo was there at all.

  419. Sally October 18, 2009 at 8:04 am #

    Does anyone know EdCBuyer’s blog address?

  420. Sally October 18, 2009 at 8:06 am #

    I, for one, don’t think the changing of names is that big a deal.

  421. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 8:08 am #

    Mine changed too. They started out with capitols, but changed to lower case, but they let me log in using capitols. However, people are posting on my blog who are not who they say they are, and they are doing it here too. Unfortunately unless you can see thru the monitor you cannot tell who actually set up an account. That person said tolooke at posts 346 and 362 thru 372 for a reason. I know for a fact that I let thru some comments of people who are not who they say they are on my own blog.

    PussDaddy

  422. Sally October 18, 2009 at 8:14 am #

    I meant, the changing of Nutmeg’s names. Brittany, Echo June, etc. I don’t think that’s that compelling.

  423. kitten October 18, 2009 at 8:14 am #

    I think my posts have all been lowercase. This is also how I set up my account.

    I don’t have to log in each time… I get an email each time someone posts here, so I have just been clicking that link.

    My name and E-mail are already filled in for me, if I choose to post a reply.

  424. kitten October 18, 2009 at 8:15 am #

    I do Sally, just as I do the birthdates.

  425. Sally October 18, 2009 at 8:29 am #

    Sometimes I use my midde name, sometimes I don’t. Sometimes I use a name I used when I was in college. For me, it’s not a big deal.

  426. kitten October 18, 2009 at 8:37 am #

    If you’re not scamming people for money, then it sounds like you’re not doing for malicious purposes, just being quirky.

  427. shameonyou October 18, 2009 at 9:24 am #

    xxxxxxxxx (sorry if I added too many x’s) Excellent post.

    Interestingly enough the “super ninja cropping” (love using that phrase on here) issue was addressed on the Adia forum yesterday, Nut admitted to having read the ECO blog. When all the issues of identity, shilling, reselling, stealing, deception have been laid out in public I find it quite interesting how she decided to address one and only one issue, the easiest of course.

    PD’s blog says there is no money in Nut’s paypal….WTH??? I do believe ( I may be wrong and please feel free to correct me) that the donations were being sent to that email address so the fact that a refund cannot be covered is a HUGE thing in my opinion, then again I may be wrong.

    It seems Nut has a teeny bit of sense, the nesting dolls and bindi stickers have been removed from her shop, whether etsy made her do it or whether she decided to remove them for fear of being shut down is unknown. Why take them down if there is nothing to hide? I sure as hell would not take down one of my listings if it was in compliance with all of etsy’s rules just because a blog decided to call me a reseller, not if I had my ducks in a row. I have a feeling that the clock is ticking on this bomb and that it is surely going to go off… of course that may also simply be wishful thinking.

  428. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 9:30 am #

    This thread didn’t stray off topic on accident is what I am saying.

    PussDaddy

  429. curiousbystander October 18, 2009 at 9:34 am #

    does anyone have a link to the story about nutcase being attacked by the village idiot? i’d like to read that account.

  430. xxxxxxx October 18, 2009 at 9:38 am #

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    yikes!
    « on: October 01, 2009, 05:40:29 AM »i think i’ll be around somewhat infrequently for the rest of this week due to some developments here. tomorrow we’re venturing out to the villages, and when we come back i think we’ll be shifting our residence. yesterday a man attacked me out of nowhere; i was meandering down the street to get a chai and he dashed up to me roaring and swinging. fortunately he was fended off by the people around me before he could do any serious harm (thank goodness i did not have Lark with me) but i feel sort of uncomfortable in the area now. the police say he’s a harmless lunatic – but i don’t like the idea of wandering the same streets as someone who becomes less than ‘harmless’ at times. so we’ll be shifting to a place closer to our beloved Durbar Square – and after that i should be able to work more dilligently on our correspondences thanks to the wonderous wonders of guest-house wifi

  431. xxxxxxx October 18, 2009 at 9:40 am #

    This when someone asked if she was OK

    yes yes, i’m okay – he only managed to frighten me quite badly. i rather lost composure and am afraid i shouted at him quite sternly! this happened once in India also. seems like every village has its resident madman

    still i get pretty rattled every time, and don’t like glancing over my shoulder warily, so a new perch it is. we’ve made some friends who offered us a room in their guest-house in exchange for helping them refine the English on their advertisements and such (‘you come Nepal, get stay first quality!’) so it’s a nice arrangement all around. all’s well that ends well!

  432. edcbyer October 18, 2009 at 9:57 am #

    Mystery solved.

    If you click on my name earlier in these comments, EdCByer (with varying case letters), that will link you to the now-deleted “EdCByer” sockpuppet Etsy account associated with the thread that was brought here as the OP. As I was posting in here right before setting up my WordPress account, that was the website the account was linked to.

    If you click on the now all-lowercase edcbyer in these later comments, that will take you to my edcbyer.wordpress.com account–my blog here at WordPress, that I set up the same day. Again, I will ONLY be posting here on WordPress in this thread or on my EdCByer Blog (edcbyer.wordpress.com), unless I announce otherwise from my WordPress blog.

  433. It'smeagain... October 18, 2009 at 10:13 am #

    Bedazzled said:
    Edc, once again, since you obviously missed it the first time around……”Pssst, edc, it’s not off topic. It only looks that way right now. All roads lead to the same end. Patience is a virtue.”

    ——————————————————
    WHY IS SHE STILL HERE? She contributes nothing to this topic spews diarrhea of the mouth. UGH! Make her go away…

  434. Bedazzled Condom October 18, 2009 at 10:28 am #

    “WHY IS SHE STILL HERE? She contributes nothing to this topic spews diarrhea of the mouth. UGH! Make her go away…”

    Hi CW! How are your feet?

  435. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 10:40 am #

    kitten Says:
    October 18, 2009 at 6:39 am
    CWebster Says:

    I’m quite sure you also believe in aliens and a second gunman on the grassy knoll…

    I hear there are remarkably effective paranoia medications nowadays.
    ______________________________

    You should of gotten them instead of candy, magazines and shoes.

    You know Cwebster started a thread on Etsy saying he couldn’t handle the corporate world. All the stress was bad for his delicate senses.
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

    kitten Says:
    October 18, 2009 at 6:43 am
    Sorry about answering Cwebster… hadn’t finished all the responses yet!
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

    It’s ok, Cwebster/uludag has delicate senses of his own. did you check out that one link of him in a dress? *snicker*

  436. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 10:55 am #

    I understand EdCbuyer. I am still not getting the references to blog post 346 and then 362-372 that some made though.

  437. Not Really Surprised October 18, 2009 at 11:09 am #

    PussDaddy said “That person said tolooke at posts 346 and 362 thru 372 for a reason. I know for a fact that I let thru some comments of people who are not who they say they are on my own blog.”

    I’m missing something

    346 Mary Says:
    October 17, 2009 at 11:36 pm
    I agree with edcbyer

    What is derailing the topic in that

    I can’t see anything unusual in 362 – 372

    Now everyone seems to be someone else and its totally confusing

    I think this has run its course now all the revelations have been made and proof provided and its finished until the next new discovery someone makes or until Nutmeg has finished writing up her incredible explanations for everything.

    She is an inventive writer so it should be good.

    The Auntys will probably believe it because they want to whether its good or not.

    Etsy will take no action because they rarely do unless they have no alternative.

  438. edcbyer October 18, 2009 at 11:12 am #

    @Puss:

    Not to worry; those posts are just in agreement with what you said in your post #430, is all. PD, I admire your fearless pursuit of truth; but as much as you can possibly help to keep things civil and on topic in this sad affair, it will help this thread.

    Adios.

  439. edcbyer October 18, 2009 at 11:26 am #

    I believe my posts are numbered differently, as I’ve got one as-yet unmoderated comment:

    Here are the posts, Puss:

    My #346:

    edcbyer Says:
    October 17, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    I see/smell diversionary tactic going on in here. And, just MHO, but I think this thread would greatly benefit from some concerted effort to ignore off-topic derailment by addressing only on-topic posts.

    Your #430:

    pussdaddyblogs Says:
    October 18, 2009 at 9:30 am

    This thread didn’t stray off topic on accident is what I am saying.

    PussDaddy

    (And my posts #362-372 were just reiterating these. Sorry for the confusion.)

  440. Hmmm.. October 18, 2009 at 11:31 am #

    Very interesting how as soon as Puss posted the story about the buyer not being able to get any money back because there is none, some extremely diversionary posts were made and the whole thing was glossed over.

    To me, that is one of the most damning pieces of evidence this is a scam.

    I’m with you, Puss. The diversion wasn’t an accident…

  441. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 11:46 am #

    I thought so.

  442. shameonyou October 18, 2009 at 11:51 am #

    hmmm…
    I believe you are right, uludag/cwebster (as some say it is) has been posting constantly on PD’s blog and has surely seen the link to this thread.

    For those who missed it
    http://pussdaddyblogs.blogspot.com/2009/10/bad-experiences-buying-dress-from.html
    NUTMEGCLICK buyer files paypal dispute, paypal resolves in buyer’s favor NO MONEY IN THE ACCOUNT to give buyer a refund.

  443. shameonyou October 18, 2009 at 11:52 am #

    I’m going to go enjoy my Sunday a bit but I will be back later tonight see if any further developments are made and of course to read (:

  444. Bedazzled Condom October 18, 2009 at 12:16 pm #

    Once again……

    “Pssst, edc, it’s not off topic. It only looks that way right now. All roads lead to the same end. Patience is a virtue.”

  445. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 12:16 pm #

    Why does Trudy have 2 names-Trudy and Trudy Hylant?

  446. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 12:34 pm #

    Edcbuyer..I sincerely apologize if I caused any iota of wanting to step away from here. Im sorry if I did.

    You have done an amazing job (as well as others have ) to reveal facts that have come to light. The information coming in furthers my credibility regarding my friend being blown off in India…It was well worth the money I have to pay him back for his extension.

    Too bad that the posts aren’t filtered as PD’s are so that we could stop the madness and we can get back to the facts of the case. Human behaviors such as the Nutcase’s is fascinating to me because of my work in mental health.

    For people to succumb to idol worshipping of someone that they have never met is something akin to madness. The supporters that are left are nothing more than cult followers..even with the information that has been presented here.

    There are mesmerized by flowery words that any creative writer could put down.

    Scene: I am moving back to my childhood home and discovered that all the flowers that I remembered were gone.
    …………….
    “As my eyes glaze over the path that was once filled with the wild flowers of my youth I am reminded that if just one person could plant a seed my once small vibrant oasis would be once transformed into the glorious landscape of my youth .” Love Trudy
    ……………….
    Fredreka, MY SUPPORTER….OMG…Let’s send Trudy packet’s of seeds so that she can plant flowers in her childhood home….She has been always so sweet to us. We all know and love her. She writes so beautifully! I love her like a sister!
    ……………………
    Trudy…Fredrika…What a remarkable woman you truly are it would be lovely to see my glorious homestead alive with activites and the sweet smell of lavander wafting through my window sill.

    Instead of seeds I believe it would be easier for them to send money through paypal and I would purchase my own seeds and plan my garden in the designs of long ago.

    I have just come up with a wonderful idea. The fruit trees in the backyard are in need of a grooming and will no longer bare the succulent fruit that I ate with my grandmother as I lay on her lap as she lovingly stroked my hair. It’s just a thought but I would love to transport my many thought to reality.

    Give it a thought and just run it by my grammies and papa’s who so lovingly donated for my humble cause of tangibly recreating my bliss and carpet of sentimental journeys that so often has entered my mind…I will never forget your tireless assistance in making this endeaver your own. Hugs and Kisses always my “sister!” You are an amazing caring woman. Love Trudy
    ………………………………………………………………………….

    See how easy that was! Oh and then I could take before and after pictures of my garden and sell posters…appeal to the masses to “Plant flowers where hardships grow!” Man I could make a fortune…

  447. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 12:37 pm #

    PD, Girl…You had to ask. When I first came on here it said name required and I signed my first and last name (duh) ….after I realized it I deleted my last name..but it’s me…both names…Unless one of the names posted a really stupid post then it was someone else (Ha) Trudy

  448. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 12:40 pm #

    It’s a good thing it didn’t ask for my social security number! I would have given that up too! ha

  449. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 12:48 pm #

    It was a diversion absolutely!!!! and I was just kidding about Uladag and Cwebster being the same…but wow! Their anger filled rants spewing venum and pathologically rage and bringing up illness to both of us…

    If we concentrate on him then we won’t have the time to place more facts on here….This is better than Watergate! Uladag Gate…ha..I would love to see the convos between Nutcases and Webster!

  450. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 12:56 pm #

    Actually, this hasn’t seemed quite right to me for some time. Just odd little things here and there. So what I am going to do is make whatever blog posts I want on my blog, and not let any comments through at all. It will still be readable to whoever wants to read it and I won’t have to worry about who is who.

  451. Sally October 18, 2009 at 1:16 pm #

    Does anyone have a link to where Nutmeg posted online yesterday?

  452. Sally October 18, 2009 at 1:16 pm #

    Or was it today?

  453. Sally October 18, 2009 at 1:54 pm #

    xxxxxxx,

    Where are you finding those posts? Would love to read more.

  454. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 1:57 pm #

    Sally….I don’t know..I stayed up all night (5:30 am) and got up late afternoon…I don’t remember reading it, but like you I would love to! Trudy

  455. kitten October 18, 2009 at 1:58 pm #

    Sally, is this what you’re talking about?

    http://adiainindia.com/forum/index.php?topic=147.msg2105;topicseen#msg2105

    Re: backup? (peek!)
    « Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 01:45:27 AM »

    yesh, the jist i got over on COE is that what i said equated to totally mocking up a hand and saying it was Adia’s or somesuch – which would definitely involve a whole lot more than ‘super ninja cropping’.

    love,
    nutmeg

  456. Bedazzled Condom October 18, 2009 at 1:58 pm #

    Sally, are you referring to the village madman posts?

    They’re here.

    http://adiainindia.com/forum/index.php/topic,137.0.html

    Read them while you can. Rumor has it those forums may be ‘cleansed’ shortly.

  457. kitten October 18, 2009 at 2:06 pm #

    Where did you hear that Bedazzled?

  458. Sally October 18, 2009 at 2:08 pm #

    Ok, thanks you guys. Someone said she posted somewhere yesterday? Anyway, not that important, really. Just very curious. I’m not surprised to hear there may be a ‘cleansing’.

    You can run but you cannot hide!

    I don’t know why this bothers me so much. But it does. It really does. To observe someone be so manipulative, so cunning and charming, to involve an innocent sweet girl and many people, it’s just disturbing and I’m hoping for at least her shop to close.

  459. Bedazzled Condom October 18, 2009 at 2:13 pm #

    From someone on the Aunty fringes.

    The Auntys {sic} are scrambling elsewhere.

  460. Sally October 18, 2009 at 2:20 pm #

    Artfire?

    How can the auntys not register all this information? They can’t be this stupid. They can’t. They’re not. Almost as thought they’ve been brain-washed. Just follow Nutmeg wherever she goes.

  461. kitten October 18, 2009 at 2:33 pm #

    Nutmegclick on Artfire

    Welcome to my blog!
    Thank you for stopping by my Artfire Studio Blog. I have just settled in, so be sure to check back soon for updates!

    Posted in General by nutmegclick on October 15, 2009 at 7:00am | Add comment

  462. Bedazzled Condom October 18, 2009 at 2:50 pm #

    “I have just settled in”

    *vomit*

  463. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 2:52 pm #

    ArtFire takes all of Etsy’s problem children. No way would I sign up as a buyer there.

  464. Hmmm.. October 18, 2009 at 2:53 pm #

    That’s rich!

  465. Windy's designs October 18, 2009 at 2:59 pm #

    Good Lord, it took me 2 days to get through all these posts! I was skeptical of Nutmeg right from the start. I can’t post in the forums, but I read them and I read an awful lot that originated in critiques by her. Sometimes 2 and 3 new ones a day.

    One time someone bumped up all of her recent posts and there were dozens that were the same title started within a short time of each other. I guess someone else was annoyed with her constant ‘look at me’ posting.

    Being a long-time Etsy member, I have seen a fair share of those ‘donate to my cause’ threads, and even ones that sounded real enough to be true turned out to be a scam in the end. Anyone remember the damsel in distress? I was fairly new then and ‘friends’ with many in the group of supporters. I donated money and listings to the cause. And a short time later much was revealed that turned me off from ever being tempted to do anything similar again.

    There is a lot that is fishy about this adia situation, nothing is positive proof in and of itself, but it sure makes one think twice.

    And a note to CWebster, I sure hope you are claiming all that donated income on your taxes. I’d sure hate to read about you on some tax fraud blog.

  466. kitten October 18, 2009 at 3:06 pm #

    Hey PD, I know you aren’t taking comments right now, but has the Etsian that bought the dress from Nutmeg left a negative explaining the facts and how there is no $$ in her PayPal? If not, she needs to.

  467. kitten October 18, 2009 at 3:09 pm #

    Windy’s designs Says:

    One time someone bumped up all of her recent posts and there were dozens that were the same title started within a short time of each other. I guess someone else was annoyed with her constant ‘look at me’ posting.
    _________

    I remember that Windy!

    I seem to recall that she also started a thread about the neutrals she received when she had been in the forum long enough to know that wasn’t allowed.

  468. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 3:13 pm #

    I don’t think so kitten. I think she wants to get her money somehow first if she can.

  469. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 3:18 pm #

    Oh, I am going to bed and I bet the Damsel In Distress would be a wonderul bedtime story.

    PussDaddy

  470. balloongirl October 18, 2009 at 3:19 pm #

    If Cwebster was in a financial bind, and his friends wanted to help him out, that’s really their business. etsy forums was the wrong place to do it, but that’s the only issue.

    Nutmeg is a horse of an entirely different color. What she has done is felony fraud. She has manufactured a dire situation, and kind-hearted people took her as truthful and donated their time, products, energy and money to the situation. I’m sure they did not donate to support Nutmeg and her bizzare husband and their faux bohemian existential globetrotting lifestyle. They did it to save a child. That breaks my heart, because Nutmeg preyed on the sympathy and decency of her etsy “friends” by knowing exactly which emotional buttons to push to get what she wanted.

    The evidence just keeps mounting, from her testing the waters in the forums, reselling, shilling, causing emotional harm to others via email and twitter harrassment, having a cornucopia of identities and personas. . . how can anyone not doubt the entire adia saga at this point?

    This is not a truthful person. This is not a person who is here to do good in the world. Quoting Rilke does not make you either an intellectual or a world savior. Having yourself in a picture with a starving child does not mean that you are saving that child. You do not know the people you meet on the internet. Anyone can pretend to be anyone. Again, what breaks my heart is that Nutmeg sociopathically used an invented situation to bilk, scam and steal from basically nice folks who were trying to do some good.

    If there is an afterlife, let’s hope she has to explain her actions to a crowd of children who did indeed starve to death.

  471. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 3:22 pm #

    I would love to see someone report her to the CIA, or the FBI or something for internet fraud or whatever. But who the hell even knows what her name is. I hope she trips on some bad ‘shrooms next time.

    PussDaddy

  472. kitten October 18, 2009 at 3:22 pm #

    Ahhh, that’s a shame PD. Oh well, maybe Nutmeg’s shops will be closed down soon anyway.

    Since Nutmeg is obviously reading, you would think she would do the right thing and reimburse your friend. I guess that isn’t surprising though, considering her character, or lack there of.

  473. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 3:24 pm #

    I wish her ugly ass dress wearing red headed dirt bag of a husband would stop posting on my damn blog with his blotter acid induced crap.

    PussDaddy

  474. kitten October 18, 2009 at 3:26 pm #

    pussdaddyblogs Says:

    I wish her ugly ass dress wearing red headed dirt bag of a husband would stop posting on my damn blog with his blotter acid induced crap.

    _________________

    LOL, what?? Is he posting there? Are you taking comments again? What’s he saying?

  475. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 3:34 pm #

    No, I am still letting them pile up. But going thru and reading some left earlier that I half assed read and passed thru. some seem as if they were left by him. Maybe I am paranoid. The fake Cwebster posting on my blog sorta freaked me out I guess and maybe I am reading too much into stuff. I am thinking that stuff posted that seemed to defend her may have been him. Maybe I am as wacko as they are now though, lol. I am kind of tired. So I am off to bed.

  476. Hmmm.. October 18, 2009 at 3:47 pm #

    Whoops! The forums are down on the Adia Website.

  477. Not Really Surprised October 18, 2009 at 4:00 pm #

    Nutmeg shop on Artfire. BWAHAHAHAHA!

    Not April 1st is it

    We know where to buy our nesting dolls and toys for Christmas now.

    Has she posted anything about being stuck in Nepal without her airfare home yet.

    To rephrase that

    Has she posted anything about needing money to buy cloth for the Nepalese to make this years fashionable clothing with so they don’t die from the winter cold

    Any ‘Aunty’ who has anything to do with this from now on is as culpable as the Nutcases

  478. Hmmm.. October 18, 2009 at 4:06 pm #

    The Artfire shop has only been there since August and says she’s in Atlanta. I also stumbled across a craigslist ad for Nutmeg’s shop that said they were in Atlanta.

    Are they even in India?

    I am going to do some digging for some of the photos she’s taken of India to see if i can find them somewhere else as stock photos or the like….

  479. Not Really Surprised October 18, 2009 at 4:08 pm #

    I checked ten minutes ago Hmmm still there then and they had been very busy today, that is bad luck for them.

  480. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 4:08 pm #

    Heh PD…How do you know that she hasn’t been reported to the FBI Internet Fraud Unit? There were a lot of important people out there who were reading her posts! Yikes!

  481. kitten October 18, 2009 at 4:10 pm #

    Looks like Nutmegclick opened her store on Artfire August 15, 2009. No sales. Lists location as Atlanta, GA.

    _________________________

    She updated her Artfire blog page on October 15….

    Nutmegclick on Artfire

    Welcome to my blog!
    Thank you for stopping by my Artfire Studio Blog. I have just settled in, so be sure to check back soon for updates!

    Posted in General by nutmegclick on October 15, 2009 at 7:00am | Add comment
    ________________

    Maybe she is anticipating being kicked off of Etsy. One can only hope!!

  482. kitten October 18, 2009 at 4:13 pm #

    Not Really Surprised Says:

    Any ‘Aunty’ who has anything to do with this from now on is as culpable as the Nutcases
    ____________________

    In all fairness, when Nutmeg explained on the Aida forum what she meant by putting Aida’s hand in the picture (after reading all the hoopla on CEO), Keala told her that she understood what she meant, but she wouldn’t have been able to do it anyway.

  483. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 4:15 pm #

    Just be careful what you write in different names, dates, personas, shilling, on threads, in blogs, in closed threads…

    We are in the technical age and it will and does catch up to you. Yep…and maybe someone should notify Sharon Fernandaze’s boss…She was warned (not by me..I would tell you if it were me, but it wasn’t because I didn’t want anything to do with her at that time…that was before I got mad) ahead of time about the possibility of a scam, but still went forward!

  484. Not Really Surprised October 18, 2009 at 4:16 pm #

    “I am going to do some digging for some of the photos she’s taken of India to see if i can find them somewhere else as stock photos or the like….”

    We all have photos of us in many places but doesn’t mean that is where we are

    She has many problems, doesn’t know the difference between her husband’s stock and her restored and handmade toys. Doesn’t know her birthday. Apparently doesn’t even know where she is – this isn’t the first time she has been confused about that.

    Anyone want to start a fund to provide help for her, even if its only to buy one of her own handmade notebooks that uludag loves so she can keep notes to refer to

  485. Not Really Surprised October 18, 2009 at 4:20 pm #

    kitten Says:
    October 18, 2009 at 4:13 pm
    Not Really Surprised Says:

    Any ‘Aunty’ who has anything to do with this from now on is as culpable as the Nutcases
    ____________________

    In all fairness, when Nutmeg explained on the Aida forum what she meant by putting Aida’s hand in the picture (after reading all the hoopla on CEO), Keala told her that she understood what she meant, but she wouldn’t have been able to do it anyway.

    ____________________

    In all fairness Keala changed her Adia avatar and removed all mention of Adia and charity listings in her shop as well

  486. Not Really Surprised October 18, 2009 at 4:21 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6279565&page=1

  487. Bedazzled Condom October 18, 2009 at 4:28 pm #

    Has Hippiehempstress come to her senses yet or is she still sucking on the nutmeg bong?

  488. kitten October 18, 2009 at 4:32 pm #

    Who is the Aunty who jumped ship?

  489. kitten October 18, 2009 at 4:34 pm #

    The story by Sharon Fernandez… it was as if she just wrote down everything Nutmeg/MisterNutmeg said without verifying anything. No mention of speaking to doctors or anyone in any official position. No pictures either… you would of thought she would of wanted to see Adia for herself.

  490. Not Really Surprised October 18, 2009 at 4:36 pm #

    Has Bria their treasurer and responsible for all money in and out been seen this month. Who is Blah who posted here that she is leaving

  491. kitten October 18, 2009 at 4:44 pm #

    Ahhh, I guess this is where she is alluding to Trudy having a brain tumor and can’t help what she did… you know, before she and her hubby posted as uludag. (That part capitalized)

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6279565&page=12

    nutmegclick says:
    hullo m’dears –

    i think some understanding has been created where there was not some before with someone. i have done a lot of…i guess educating about certain factors unknown to most people in the West that i am dealing with. I ALSO LEARNED SOMETHING VERY SAD WHICH REALLY MAKES ME NOT ANGRY WITH THEM AT ALL BECAUSE I DO NOT THINK IT IS THEIR FAULT.

    letting go, letting go….anger and negativity has no place in something good and beautiful!

    (claps and twirls about merrily)

    here, win, have some chai….🙂

    love,
    nutmeg
    Posted at 4:40 pm, September 11 2009 EST – Report this post

  492. shameonyou October 18, 2009 at 4:48 pm #

    everytime i see “m’dears” i cringe

  493. Bedazzled Condom October 18, 2009 at 4:51 pm #

    Wow, not a hint of remorse or concern. It’s still all about Nutmeg the sociopath.

  494. Cindy October 18, 2009 at 4:52 pm #

    Oh man – I posted in that thread. I really regret it now. sigh

  495. Bedazzled Condom October 18, 2009 at 4:53 pm #

    Oh crap, lol. I thought that was a newly posted comment.

    I still think she’s a sociopath.

  496. jc October 18, 2009 at 4:56 pm #

    wow. this whole thing has been crazy! I really don’t know what to say. I tend to by cynical about most charity things and so wasn’t inclined to donate any money. But what has come to light has been truly amazing.

    No wonder there are cynical people in the world!

    As an aside, the name calling and use of language, etc., does seem to obscure many of the points being made.

    As to cwebster, that’s weird too.

    wow. just weird.

  497. Bedazzled Condom October 18, 2009 at 4:56 pm #

    Regret is a good thing, Cindy. It means you have a brain.

  498. Not Really Surprised October 18, 2009 at 4:57 pm #

    She educated Trudy well

  499. kitten October 18, 2009 at 4:58 pm #

    Nutmeg’s gotten 6 negative feedbacks in the last couple days…her rating dropped to 95%. Jeezus, what a loser!

    http://www.etsy.com/feedback_public.php?user_id=6085558

  500. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 5:00 pm #

    Unbelievable. Who would still follow this ditch weed smoking thrift store reject clothing wearing lying shilling tree hugging chai sipping dingleberry?

  501. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 5:08 pm #

    kitten Says:
    October 18, 2009 at 2:33 pm
    Nutmegclick on Artfire

    Welcome to my blog!
    Thank you for stopping by my Artfire Studio Blog. I have just settled in, so be sure to check back soon for updates!

    Posted in General by nutmegclick on October 15, 2009 at 7:00am | Add comment
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

    I can’t find a general section at artfire.

  502. jc October 18, 2009 at 5:08 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6235600&page=2

    well, that was interesting considering the topic of this thread

  503. Not Really Surprised October 18, 2009 at 5:25 pm #

    Those negs aren’t for dresses so more to come. People probably learning about her and daring to leave negs now.

    You have to wonder how many people haven’t had their purchases and have been lied to and prevented from leaving fb

    One is for more of the Ganges nesting dolls
    http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=19182028

    If she really had gone to Nepal she should have put her shop on vacation. In fact she did for a short time then re-opened it. If she was away she couldn’t post items sold unless she managed to take everything with her

    Those are for purchases before she went anyway

  504. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 5:27 pm #

    Yes she did notreallysurprised!!!! ha…

    I love where she said..”I think some understanding has been created where was not some before with someone…(Well, duh, you know that she meant me!)

    Ok..record straight I did not smoke the peace pipe with Nutcase. ..

    In fact if you would have read one convo I sent to her it was more or less..You are a liar and a conartist..the Jig is up type thing! Come to think of it that was around the time of her (their Uludag post!) I would look, but OMG don’t make me read those convos again!!!!

    but she did imply that it wasn’t my fault…(I did not tell her I had a B.T. , trust me we weren’t that close! )

    She searched the web (they searched) it didn’t take long to discover (first thread actually on that day) that I apologized for being snarky because I just found out I had a BT…

    Well, low and behold it wasn’t 2 days later that Uludag’s wonderful post comes out with the same Idea..”People with Brain tumors lie and they can’t even help it! ”

    Yep, just told my husband I wanted ice cream, but I lied..I wanted a cookie…can’t help myself…you know..

    So same person (s) , same idea (s) ….

    I would absolutely love to know who are the aunty’s that have remained behind!

    Cindy (((Hugs))) you didn’t know…Honestly you were being kind and giving…”If you’re happpy and you know it clap your…I will always hate that song. That was written exactly seconds after the closed thread that I was on!

    I think we should welcome with open arms anyone liKe Keala and Blah, and Cindy who was once a supporter and now dropped out..You guys…get over here and get a hug..come on step up…

    I posted earlier does anyone know if Drj is still involved from E? I just wondered.

    PD I’m still reading you baby cat!

  505. jc October 18, 2009 at 5:29 pm #

    who is Drj?

  506. kitten October 18, 2009 at 5:29 pm #

    this is a test… i am having troubles posting

  507. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 5:31 pm #

    The last I heard about artfire was that Nutcase and supporters were going to open a collective on artfire. I wish I were savy enough with the computer to show artfire all this crap! I can barely cut and paste! Oh, I lied…Dang, just can’t help myself! Help! Trudy

  508. kitten October 18, 2009 at 5:32 pm #

    http://www.artfire.com/users/nutmegclick/blog

    Here PD… not sure what the general area is, this was from the tab ARTISAN BLOG in her Artfire shop.

  509. kitten October 18, 2009 at 5:39 pm #

    Trudy, I’m sure Artfire already knows and they don’t care. They took ShadeJewelry, they have no scrupples.

  510. Not Really Surprised October 18, 2009 at 5:53 pm #

    Their forum is back with a new look. Somebody is rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic and ignoring the iceberg

  511. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 6:03 pm #

    Is it wrong to want to beat up malnourished hippies?

  512. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 6:03 pm #

    Ok I did some snooping…drdjc was the Dr. who Nutcase asked to verify that “Vicki” was in the hospita. Remember that night that the NC’s were in the hospital (after my hmmmmm post in their thread) well of course NC was exhausted. and Mr. NC posted information (so throughly…OMG) room number, ID, the whole works!

    I could go to India right now and admit 1,000 children..

    drdjc came on and verified child was admitted and then Goat Mountain comes on board and states that I think that drdjc was in on the scam too….Well, I didn’t know drdjc from a hole in the head so I said something like…

    “I don’t know this is the internet for God’s sake!!!!!”

    Well of course I discovered that she is well liked and has had a shop here a long time with 212 100% feedbacks…

    We convoed a few times and she is so nice. She did tell me that the only thing that she could tell me was that there was a child admitted to the hospital. She was very open with me.

    So I convoed her today and asked if she was still involved and she didn’t answer me…I told her I would never share our information (I would keep that promise..I am very good with secrets)

    I just searched for her posts and OMG Good news…OCT 14

    “etc. has changed so much since I found my way in there. used to be fun and witty exchanges going on. Now it just seems snarky, horrible and mean. the adia nonsense really did cure me off the etc. addition.

    So hugs to you drjdc……welcome to the “Light Bulb Moment group!”

    So anyways Goat Mountain comes forward and yells at me

  513. Not Really Surprised October 18, 2009 at 6:03 pm #

    Is designbycassandra an Aunty she is working hard to raise funds. 12 new listings today. Tragic if she doesn’t know what is happening

  514. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 6:05 pm #

    That goat is worse than I am when it comes to sticking her nose is stuff. The only difference is that she is wrong a lot of the time.

  515. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 6:08 pm #

    the bottom comment “So anyways Goat Mountain comes forward and yells at me shouldn’t be there.

    It was my initial sentence..and then Goat mountain comes on board and states..

    I changed the intial one, but I didn’t think she yelled she stated it…instead of deleting it I just clicked it down…

  516. kitten October 18, 2009 at 6:08 pm #

    Trudy, where did you read where drdjc wrote that, on the forums or did she tell you that?

    designsbycassandra – never heard of her. I feel sorry for her if she doesn’t know any of this….especially if she sends money to nutmeg.

  517. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 6:09 pm #

    Hey PD the last I heard of Goat she supported Nut Case..Does anyone know if this is true?

  518. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 6:10 pm #

    Kitten I knew someone would ask me that!!! ha….No it’s on a thread…I’ll be back!

  519. kitten October 18, 2009 at 6:10 pm #

    Goat flys off the handle and makes no sense half of the time. She seems to have quite a problem with anger issues. Yep she’s wrong most times too.

  520. Not Really Surprised October 18, 2009 at 6:12 pm #

    drdjc came on and verified child was admitted and then Goat Mountain comes on board and states that I think that drdjc was in on the scam too….Well, I didn’t know drdjc from a hole in the head so I said something like…

    “I don’t know this is the internet for God’s sake!!!!!”

    Well of course I discovered that she is well liked and has had a shop here a long time with 212 100% feedbacks…

    drdjc hasn’t got a shop she is a buyer only

  521. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 6:16 pm #

    I have a thread where the goat is supporting her.

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6270484&page=120

  522. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 6:19 pm #

    With that I have had it for a while. You almost hate to leave because there will be so much catching up when you get back.

  523. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 6:26 pm #

    Girl you owe me…I forgot that i wrote the date of her posting Oct.14…ugh There were 65 pages and I read blah, blah, blah…it seems forever..

    IT WAS ON THE LAST PAGE!!!! (how could I have forgotten..ha)

    search posts for drdjc top one The LbA Humility Community, Oppurtunity (really it was spelled that way) 12 step OP

  524. pussdaddyblogs October 18, 2009 at 6:29 pm #

    kitten Says:
    October 18, 2009 at 6:10 pm
    Goat flys off the handle and makes no sense half of the time. She seems to have quite a problem with anger issues. Yep she’s wrong most times too.
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    It was nice of her to fight that wacko bead seller too. but her blog didn’t make a lick of sense to me.

  525. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 6:33 pm #

    Yea, the Dr. gave it to me that day! Jeeze all I said was I don’t know who this Dr. is…for God’s sake it’s the internet..

    And to be truthful…I didn’t know who she was. All I know is that I went to her shop and didn’t see anything…but if she is done I’m thrilled. I would like to see her post here.

    Bye Puss get some rest….Dang…I have spent the entire weekend on this computer…Oh Well, it was worth it! My house is a mess so will leave also…

    don’t say anything interesting while we are gone!

  526. kitten October 18, 2009 at 6:33 pm #

    pussdaddyblogs Says:

    It was nice of her to fight that wacko bead seller too. but her blog didn’t make a lick of sense to me.
    ________________

    Haha, to me either! Read like the rantings of an madwoman.

  527. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 6:35 pm #

    You know the old adage (sp) is right !

    It does all come out in the wash!!! Man and that is some dirty laundry in that tub!

  528. Not Really Surprised October 18, 2009 at 6:37 pm #

    Trudy where are you getting that drdjc has a shop with feedback of 212

    “Well of course I discovered that she is well liked and has had a shop here a long time with 212 100% feedbacks…”

    drdjc hasn’t got a shop she is a buyer only unless she has an undisclosed shop which I do not believe she has.

  529. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 6:51 pm #

    I swear that when I just read the convo she sent me and went I went to her shop it said that…OK back again…ha

    My hubby just came to me and said sweetly, ” Oh honey you have promoted your shop all weekend..I hope that it brings you sales!” I just smiled and said, “Me too!” ha…Shop? What shop? ha

  530. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 7:07 pm #

    OK the feedback that she has is 122 per the thread I posted above!

    but on the way I got distracted by…The clap your hand forum ….SweetSexyWhimsy (RareDaisy) restarted it with “marking!” and now everyone is getting snarky!!!!!! ha…worth the time down there to peek..It will be closed soon..

    Hippie wants everyone to be nice!

  531. Sally October 18, 2009 at 7:08 pm #

    I’m no fan of Nutmeg’s, and what she’s done and how she’s acted, but can we PLEASE leave the name calling out? It really does diminish the very good points that are made.

    Thank you.

  532. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 7:16 pm #

    sally are you talking to me..?

  533. Chantelle October 18, 2009 at 7:17 pm #

    The adiainindia forum is no longer accessible to people who don’t have an account.

    Sad. I wonder if this means that all the threads there are readable by everyone?

    Given nutmeg’s behaviour, lies, and re-selling, and scams, I think it’s too late for her to hide behind the “auntys”. I hope the “auntys” stop protecting nutmeg…. She’s not worth it, and their reputations won’t survive it.

  534. Mary October 18, 2009 at 7:21 pm #

    I have asked if there has been any recent updates on “Adia” but no one has replied. I did not donate to the project but I still want to know does anyone know anything about the baby in the picture with nutmeg? Does anyone know if the poor child is still alive?

  535. Sally October 18, 2009 at 7:21 pm #

    Trudy, it wasn’t addressed to you or any one person in particular. Just based on a general observation of this thread.

    Some excellent points are being made, and it gets clouded when the name calling enters. That’s all.

  536. kitten October 18, 2009 at 7:28 pm #

    Sally Says:

    Some excellent points are being made, and it gets clouded when the name calling enters.

    ___________

    I agree Sally. Sorry if I called anyone any names.

  537. Yaya October 18, 2009 at 7:29 pm #

    Mary, this is the most recent place I’ve found for Adia’s updates:
    http://adiasupdates.blogspot.com/

  538. Mary October 18, 2009 at 7:31 pm #

    Thank you Yaya🙂

  539. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 7:34 pm #

    Chantelle…I do believe reputations will be ruined if they continue to support NM…That’s just the reality of life on Etsy. As I said before I noticed that I was receiving more anonymous hearts than usual in the past month. People were nervous showing their support to me …but Thank God other’s became involved…some right from the get go ( you know who you are)

    I feel that my reputation has been salvadged because of PD’s blog…that broke it wide open..and then edc…..It wasn’t as much fun when just a few of us were by ourselves being the mean ones who were going to blamed if a starving baby died!

    Mary…The last I heard was that NM posted that she was in a gov’t hospital, but I don’t believe one word that she says…so take it for what it is worth.

    Sally…I thought that the posts were good tonight..I really didn’t see anything that would be called name calling. Ok..I’m going to bed………yawn……interesting weekend! Trudy

  540. Hmmm.. October 18, 2009 at 7:37 pm #

    Is that yet another blog? How does one find the time to have so many blogs going at once?!

  541. edcbyer October 18, 2009 at 7:38 pm #

    Hi all, I’ve been reading this tonight, and just wanted to address a few things that have come up in the 60 or so posts here since I last checked in.😉

    First of all, thanks you, Trudy for your apology–here, and on my edcbyer.wordpress.com “About” page (forgot to disable comments on that one, but am glad to have heard from you, anyway!). I posted a reply in there, but I’ll save you the trip—of course I’ll forgive you for reacting from your gut, and I really, really appreciate how this thread has simmered down, gotten back on track, and is focusing on the issue at hand. It’s much easier on the eyes and frayed emotions to anyone coming in here to read–and a lot more informative as well. So thank you.

    The best thing you all can do now is to post in here ‘facts’ or ‘finds’ rather than hearsay or allegations (or worse, gossipy chatter). The reason being, that a lot of “cleansing” is now going on, and although I got the screenshots I needed, many of you have helped by providing links to new websites I didn’t yet know about, or cut/paste of convos or things said in threads where she is contradicting herself, etc. Like the wonderful poster said way upthread—(and I’m borrowing his quote): let’s throw “proof” [evidence] in here, rather than mud.

    bedazzled, loved this: “Regret is a good thing, Cindy. It means you have a brain.” The smartest people in the world have been conned. That’s because a con works through the heart, not the brain; it bypasses it—no matter how big your brain happens to be. If you’ve been conned (and who hasn’t?), it’s likely due to the fact that you are a very, very nice person…you don’t suspect in others what you don’t see in yourself, in other words. It is so important to remember that IF indeed this has been a scam, there are many victims here:

    1. that used/abused baby in India

    2. those who’ve given their $$$ in good faith to help a baby

    3. those ‘auntys’ who’ve given their big hearts in good faith to a FRIEND they believed to be in great need

    Of all the three, I think that last ‘con’ would be the most personally painful (at least it has been in my life), and scarring. Sadly, we can’t do much for case #1, but if this does play out to be the scam we suspect it to be, then we need to reach out in understanding and healing to the victims in our Etsy family—#2 and #3.

    (And BTW, bedazzled, I am taking your hint to heart…loving the teaser.)

    Balloon girl is right that this could be a considerable legal issue for the nutmegs; I do have access to an internet security person, and I am continuing to work behind the scenes, though my primary, immediate goal has always been simply to bring awareness on a personal level to other Etsy members. I am still gathering info, and will send on what I round up to whatever agency needs it, but I also want to draw your attention to post #268 above—(the one that caused so much trouble earlier in the day when I kept referring to numbered posts I saw on my screen that didn’t match yours! Sorry, PussDaddy; I know that post# confusion only added to your nervousness, after your fake ID posters on your blog earlier.) Anyway…after two days, post #268 has finally passed moderation and is posted for your viewing as well as mine. It is a contact number/link for the Federal Trade Commission, for anyone who thinks they may have been defrauded online. I believe all you do is click on the link and it’ll lead you through it, if this becomes something important for you to pursue.

    And now, it’s time to watch my favorite TV show with the hubs. PussDaddy, I hope you get a good night’s sleep (and keeping the comments off your blog for awhile might help that ;-)). ‘Night all.

  542. Yaya October 18, 2009 at 7:39 pm #

    Maybe I’m putting too much faith in esty, but I’m sort of expecting that when I get up tomorrow morning and sign on, that nut’s shop will be closed.

    On another note, I just checked on my paypal account to view the money I paid nut from a purchase I had made before all this crap hit the fan. It lists her as ‘unverified” Someone please refresh my memory, what does unverified mean? To get verified you need to add a bank account to your paypal account, right? I can’t remember. If you don’t have a bank account in cahoots with your paypal, how do you get at your money? That’s the only way I can get at mine, on what little is left after I spend it.🙂

    Maybe she has a check sent to her from paypal? Or maybe it goes into another account?

  543. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 7:42 pm #

    Is there a secret for reading this blog when you are done posting? I don’t think I’m doing it right,…It shouldn’t be as hard as I am making it! T.

  544. Yaya October 18, 2009 at 7:43 pm #

    Hmmm, that blog is written by one of the auntys.

  545. shameonyou October 18, 2009 at 7:47 pm #

    im with trudy going to go watch my favorite show now, Yaya I have seen shops being closed after they appear on the ECO blog so who knows maybe Etsy will step in (wishful thinking I know)

    What I personally would love to happen is…
    all of Nut’s (abbreviating not name calling) shops closed and that ADIA team GONE.

    And most importantly, Nut’s supporters to see the light and get out before they’re reputations suffer.

  546. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 8:01 pm #

    edc..thank you for accepting my apology..You are truly the voice of reason around here.

    Yaya UHM I vaguely remember that the reason that NM couldn’t be the the treasure is because she couldn’t get a checking account. (?) so I am sure she is unverified.

    shameonyou..if you are still here..or anyone…what is an ECO blog…and where do I find it? I might stay up for that! ha

    shameonyou…amen sister!

  547. Yaya October 18, 2009 at 8:03 pm #

    Really, Shame? I figured the reselling alone would get her kicked off, didn’t realize this blog came into play. Good.

    I get the feeling that now that the Adia private forum is really private (can’t see anything at all and I’m not going to sign on or log in there at all), I have the suspicion that Nut came in and fed them a crock of excuses or stories or whathaveyou, and now everything is Aok, they’re just going to conduct all their work privately from now on.

    Why else the need to go private? The more questions arise the more underground this group goes. That’s only going to make for the only donators to be themselves. Huzzah.

  548. Yaya October 18, 2009 at 8:05 pm #

    Trudy, I believe ECO is this blog, etsy call out.

    I read the thing yesterday, the other day? that Nut had been on the ECO blog and decided to clarify or change the ninja cropping thing. Hello? didn’t she read anything else here? Wow.

  549. Trudy October 18, 2009 at 8:14 pm #

    Ha…I didn’t know that I was in the call out blog..ha..I know so little (but oohhh so much!)

    I googled ECO on Etsy…and it led me to so many threads and shops on etsy that are Eco friendly…ha..

    It gets worse, I read a lot of them thinking I would find her…ha

    No one answered my above comment ..when I am done posting here I submit comment…ok…How do I read the next post that comes up! Now this addicted poster is going to bed!

    See you tomorrow same time, same station…Trudy

  550. edcbyer October 18, 2009 at 8:33 pm #

    Trudy, after you submit comment, it should bring you back to the blog page; but if it doesn’t, just click on this link:

    https://etsycallout.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/questioning-adia-foundationfounders%E2%80%8F/#comment-3702

    (bookmark it to favorites) and it will bring you to this particular thread of the ECO blog–the etsycallout.wordpress.com blog…which is what you are reading right now. (I know it’s confusing, as it also goes by Callin’ Out on Etsy in the header.)

  551. drdjc October 18, 2009 at 8:37 pm #

    Well, where do I start? I am the ‘drdjc’ previously mentioned. I am an Etsy buyer and have supported over seventy artists so far I think. I think my feedback is something like 120 and all positive. I have been involved with Adia in India from very early on in this travesty.

    One might credit me with some intelligence as I am a doctor (although many would say that proves nothing!!!! :P) I do not know now what is truth and what is not.

    The issue of reselling is very troubling. With regards to Adia I did speak to a dr who described to me Adia’s condition and management plan (which was thorough and appropriate) and there have been photos of Adia in the private hospital in Hyderabad on the forum.

    All of the etsians who have supported Nutmeg/Adia have done so in absolute good faith. Nutmeg has always had explanations for the questions raised. So it would be very difficult to suddenly decry her and the cause of helping Adia. We were wanting to help, we have faith in human nature and so that has extended to Nutmeg. Perhaps wrongly, perhaps not.

    I still do not know what is going on and I want to believe that this is not a scam. However, there are now enough questions that I cannot continue to be a part of it. All this has broken my spirit.

    I shall ask you all to give only love and compassion to Adia’s supporters.

    I will try and answer any questions I can.

  552. edcbyer October 18, 2009 at 9:10 pm #

    Hi drdjc, thanks so much for posting. Yup, you’re smart, you just have both heart and brains.😉 I’m so sorry about this situation and the upheaval in everyone’s lives concerning it. We may never know the entire story behind all this, but at least folks KNOW more things, now, and can make their own judgment call.

    I can’t hang around right now, but maybe someone else will be by; also, if you’d check back with the thread periodically, that’d be great. I think Trudy was mentioning some questions earlier you might be able to address. Just reading the dialogue between you two would be very helpful, I’d think.

  553. Yaya October 18, 2009 at 9:53 pm #

    There’s been quite a drop in the Adia listings on etsy tonight. From 70 something to 45. Maybe something went down on the private forum.

    Goodnight all, will be back tomorrow to catch up.

    Also want to add:Trudy, we’ve never really spoken before but you seem like a kind woman, I’m sorry things went the way they did with this, meaning the nasty replies to you in the forum. You didn’t deserve that at all.

  554. Chantelle October 18, 2009 at 9:57 pm #

    Thank you for your post, drdjc. I know that the people who firsst got invoved and supported nutmeg did so because they really believed in the cause and had big, generous hearts.

    Realising and admitting that you also have doubts and questions does take a lot of courage, and I admire you for that.

    It’s late here, too, and I’ve just finished a weekend full of horror movies, so I don’t remember all of the questions we have for nutmeg and her supporters.. But I wanted to post anyways and welcome you here with open arms and hugs.

    If you or anyone else does want to anonymously tell us what is going on in the super-secret adiainindia forum, especially things about nutmeg’s justifications, I personally would love to see that. I do understand why some wouldn’t feel comfortable doing that, of course.

  555. Mary October 18, 2009 at 10:51 pm #

    Thank you drdjc for posting.

  556. Lexie October 18, 2009 at 10:56 pm #

    I am back for a minute or two. I am still keeping tabs on all this.

    The Adia forum is now completely private which makes something or a mockery of it don’t you think. Initially it was where people went to see updates. Now it can only be seen by its 47 members or if you want to see it you have to join.

    http://adiainindia.com/forum/

    Now does that mean that they are finished and have locked up everything or are they banding together in there and are all going to come out fighting again?

    I am taking bets here. Any of your tote money can be sent to me direct. lol

  557. Lexie October 18, 2009 at 11:04 pm #

    Just for interest.

    drdjc at the time Adia was in hospital and being discharged appeared to have contacted the hospital in Hyderabad and had spoken to the doctor who was treating Adia.

    There was a posting somewhere about Adia being discharged against drdjc’s advice or wishes or something like that.

    Can you honestly see your own doctor contacting another doctor in a country hundreds/thousands of miles away who has been treating a child and has decided that child is well enough to be discharged and questioning their judgement?

    To me that does not seem ethical and doesn’t ring true that a doctor would do that to another fellow doctor elsewhere.

    Maybe it seems OK to you but if I was that doctor in Hyderabad then I would have been contacting that person’s superiors with a very serious complaint about them.

  558. Lexie October 18, 2009 at 11:09 pm #

    Apologies drdjc. I missed your posting. Had I read it I would not have posted the above even although it did bother me at the time.

  559. Sally October 18, 2009 at 11:09 pm #

    I didn’t realize they had as many as 47 members. I thought the privates were just the auntys.

    Thank you for posting drdjc

  560. Lexie October 18, 2009 at 11:39 pm #

    I have read through the posts now.

    drdjc I understand that you took on the Adia thing because you and all the other aunties desperately wanted to help Adia and the fact that Nutmeg was leading this quest was an aside. I have said before that I have nothing but respect and admiration for all of you in this. You gave selflessly to a cause you totally believed in.

    Had it not been so blatently posted on Etsy where these kind of things are not allowed then I doubt anyone would have paid much attention to it but as it was, people were flagging Etsy and nothing much was being done which meant that people dug further into the one person who was doing most of the posting and that was Nutmeg.

    The more people dug the more s**t came up. Some of it is very relevant and some of it is of no consequence or importance to the Adia case and probably should never have been focused on however there were two very definite camps, the ones who totally supported Nutmeg and the ones who didn’t, Then there were the ones who sat and waited to see what transpired and to see what side to come down on.

    The Nutmeg’s nomadic life style means that it is doubtful they could or would stay in one area for very long so unless she could have found someone to permanently look after Adia’s interests, not just weeks and months, but years, then Adia was always going to be on the losing side in this.

    Nutmeg has proved that she flits from country to country and area to area with new “causes” and although the aunties only had that Adia’s interests in their hearts it seemed that Nutmeg was less focused. The diluting of funds for Adia by wanting to give to the village in Nepal is proof of that. If her heart had been in Adia’s cause the way yours and the other aunties were then although the village would have been heartbreaking the request for money for that cause would never have even been considered.

    I can’t say for definite that this whole thing has been a scam from start to finish and even if it was then the only person actually in on it was Nutmeg herself. The Aunties followed in good faith.

    Now it has been proved conclusively to my mind that she is a reseller and there is also evidence of shilling, two of the worst crimes to commit on Etsy. You were all giving money and listing items made by yourselves for the Adia cause and Nutmeg was going to the local market and buying something. That must have been incredibly hurtful to everyone.

    Nutmeg has proved herself unworthy of your respect and trust although no doubt she will still be a friend.

    I would have liked nothing better than to have been proved totally wrong in all my assumptions but it doesn’t look like that could happen.

    At the end of the day the only person to really suffer out of all this is Adia herself which is heartbreaking but I think also would have been inevitable at some stage.

    If there is any money left in the account for Adia could you not give it to one of the registered charities asking them to take Adia under their wing?

  561. drdjc October 19, 2009 at 12:56 am #

    Lexie, to address your previous issue, just so its clear. I spoke to the dr and he detailed Adia condition to me and their treatment plan. The reason we did this was partly to check the appropriate measures were being taken and secondly because according to Nutmeg the hospital was charging daily for all sorts of test, items and services and i could keep try and keep track a bit.

    When it was written that Adia was discharged against my wishes, that wasn’t strictly the best wording. Haven spoken to the dr he initally outlined a plan of care that would involve weeks of care. Then quite suddenly after 2-3 days (forgive me I can’t remember exactly) they decided to discharge her. I did try to speak to the dr to ascertain the reason for the sudden change but Nutmeg’s phone wouldn’t work (I was ringing her phone and she was putting the dr on the phone).

    I certainly wouldn’t have attempted to undermine the dr clinical decision but the reason for discharge appeared to be because the staff didn’t like Adia’s family being in the hospital. Certainly the hospital would not have normally looked after such a low caste family.

    Does all of that clarify what happened?

    I understand that ADIA is seriously considering donating any remaining funds to a charity to continue Adia’s care.

    Regarding the Nepalese village and your perception that Nutmeg moved from one issue to the next. When ADIA was formed the idea was that ultimately they/we would work to improve the lives of many children through numerous projects. I think this may have been an idea for spreading the work of the foundation. They were trying to nut out if it was appropriate to use funds donated for Adia for other causes and were really beginning to address these issues.

  562. drdjc October 19, 2009 at 1:18 am #

    Oh I just re-read my post and there are terrible grammatical errors, oh I really hate that! sorry, my excuse is a severe lack of sleep.

  563. BlackTear October 19, 2009 at 2:25 am #

    “When it was written that Adia was discharged against my wishes, that wasn’t strictly the best wording.”

    drdjc – I wish you had clarified and fixed my summary of the situation if it was not entirely correct. I was just trying to snippet news as I understood it on the site.

    I appreciate all that you have done for Adia. It just breaks my heart now to be faced with total uncertainty if we can continue at all.

  564. drdjc October 19, 2009 at 3:04 am #

    Blacktear, i honestly didn’t think anything of it at the time and it was only that Lexie raised it that I tried to explain it here. You and i both know so much of all this ugliness has simply been due to a lack of understanding or misunderstanding.

    i do feel your pain
    ((((((((((blacktear))))))))))

  565. Lexie October 19, 2009 at 3:51 am #

    drdjc

    Thank you for the clarification. That makes much more sense. I couldn’t imagine for a moment one doctor undermining the decision of another but the way it was worded was the way it came over.

    I really do appreciate the amount of effort you put into this and although I have been one of the ones who thought it was a skim rather than a scam and tried to show what has now been shown I did it with a heavy heart for you and the rest of the aunties because I knew the time and effort you put into it.

    Regarding my saying Nutmeg shifted from one cause to another – I do realise that the intention was to help as many children as possible and that was commendable but… I would have thought that it would have been prudent to prove how effective you were by actually having fully helped one child before going on to another. I am not saying that as any kind of argument but merely an observation that I think many people who were watching the situation develop would have felt too.

  566. BlackTear October 19, 2009 at 4:14 am #

    Thanks drdjc… I was afraid I did you wrong. ***HUGS***

    And thanks Lexie, for continuing to express your thoughts and concerns with respect. I appreciate that.

  567. Trudy October 19, 2009 at 4:17 am #

    Yaya thank you so much. Due to my just finding out about my medical condition it was not the best timing that’s for sure!

    drdjc…Thank you for responding …I knew that you could answer questions directly and honestly. I appreciate it.

    blacktear, I owe you an apology..Words got out of hand the other night and we both got caught up in the heat of the moment.

    I am scooting off to work and will sneak in and out today to see what is transpiring and will be thinking of questions to ask.

    I would also like to add that people who are involved in humanitarian efforts do so from the bottom of their hearts. I also am sorry that there are so many victims in this scenerio.

    It appears that the supporters are the real victims as well as the child who was used by NM for her own financial gain.

    My one question and then I will have to go is…Dr. when you said that NM always had explanations for everything didn’t you have serious “uh oh moments along the way?” Her explanations that I read only made me doubt her more.

    I only had good intentions when I came to the thread to question why NM refused to allow my friend to meet her in the begging area and did not contact me so that I could notify him that she was going to Hyderabad Hospital.

    Did that raise any red flags? Nutmeg continually said that I did not call her yet I made 2 attempts previously to no avail. When she explained not to call her at a certain time I called her at the time she said she would be available and still did not answer.

    Lexie you make excellent points. OMG…late for work…Trude

  568. pussdaddyblogs October 19, 2009 at 4:17 am #

    For what it is worth, from what I can recall, I always like drdjc, or at least I don’t remember having any issues with drdjc. She like alot of others were taken in by the scam starving child story put out there by nutjob, but a lot of people were and still are. You know, most of those supporting this cause are doing so because they have a heart, and that is to be admired really. They haven’t read all the stuff that is to the contrary of nutball’s kumbaya child hugging story, some are just now reading it and starting to see the light. Before becoming aware of all this other stuff, in their minds they are helping a starving kid, and anyone who is against this in their minds must be crazy. But you see drdjc reading up on this now and a light bulb slowing going off in her head, and until seeing this enlightening stuff nutsack has kept them busy clapping and singing and dancing around in the forum as a distraction so they don’t get at the truth. You can’t fault people for having a heart and wanting to help. You can only fault them when so much info points to scam and they keep dancing around clapping and kumbaya’ing all over the damn place.

    As far as the kid that was stuck in a hospital that drdjc was involved with, as has been pointed out, people rent these kids over there, people pay their parents a few rupees or whatever and they will do what you ask short of killing the kid. If nutbag is paying this family a few rupees to take pics of this kid regularly, I am sure for a few more rupees they would have stuck her in a hospital for as long as it took for drdjc to talk to a doctor, and then most likely she or whatever kid was put in the hospital was jerked out real fast because hospitalization for a long period eats up profits from your scam. Something to think about.

    PussDaddy

  569. pussdaddyblogs October 19, 2009 at 4:24 am #

    Also, does drdjc know 100% for sure she was actually talking to a doctor, and not nutball’s husband, who can spin quite a good yarn himself when he wants to? I am just wondering why drdjc feels confident he was talking to an actual doctor. Maybe he was. Maybe he wasn’t.

    PussDaddy

  570. BlackTear October 19, 2009 at 4:27 am #

    “blacktear, I owe you an apology..Words got out of hand the other night and we both got caught up in the heat of the moment.”

    Thank you. I did not intend to upset you, and I’m sorry that I did. Perhaps my words were not right – I currently have an abscessed wisdom tooth and it was really flaring when I replying to you:/

  571. Lo&Behold October 19, 2009 at 4:30 am #

    drdjc Says:
    I did try to speak to the dr to ascertain the reason for the sudden change but Nutmeg’s phone wouldn’t work (I was ringing her phone and she was putting the dr on the phone).
    ___________________________________________________________

    Unless you called the hospital directly (which obviously isn’t the case here), I highly doubt you can trust you were indeed speaking to an actual doctor.

    Does this raise any other eyebrows?

  572. BlackTear October 19, 2009 at 4:43 am #

    “Unless you called the hospital directly (which obviously isn’t the case here), I highly doubt you can trust you were indeed speaking to an actual doctor.

    Does this raise any other eyebrows?”

    It’s my experience that doctor’s have their own language when consulting with one another.

    I think you may be giving Mr. Nutmeg TOO much credit here…

  573. drdjc October 19, 2009 at 4:49 am #

    Pussdaddy, i’m a she🙂 I have spoken to Mr Nutmeg several times on the phone. The dr I spoke to had a strong Indian accent, unlike Mr Nutmeg. He used specific medical lingo and when I asked him questions he responded immediately with appropriate answers. It would have to have been someone with medical training and so I believe it was a dr I was speaking with.

    Trudy, honestly, I haven’t had red flag moments. I have lived and worked in a mission hospital in India when I was 15 years of age. I know how bureaucracy works in India (convoluted to say the least). I know how hospitals are severely overstretched. I how how overwhelming the poverty is.

    So Nutmeg explaining the hospital’s lack of records, police being uninterested, Adia being admitted under her siblings name, power being out for days at a time etc all could be completely truthful. Call me stupid but I think all that was truthful.

    Now the reselling business has me concerned.

    I have pulled away because I honestly can’t stand the stress and having my credibility called in question is very serious for me.

    I have dedicated my life to helping people both here in Australia and previously in India and Zimbabwe. I can’t jeopardise my reputation.

  574. drdjc October 19, 2009 at 4:53 am #

    blacktear is right, we do have a very specific language and the dr spoke it. took me 13 years of uni and post grad study to master it, pretty hard to fake competently and also on your feet.

    remember i was asking him questions… no chance to google an answer

  575. drdjc October 19, 2009 at 5:19 am #

    ok, it’s midnight here and i really need to try and get some sleep.

    i’ll be back in the am

  576. forum rubbernecker October 19, 2009 at 7:59 am #

    The alleged reselling/nondelivery problems are more troublesome to me than the Adia thing. I believe there really is an Adia, and I really believe nutmeg wanted to help. But if you are overstressed and overstretched with commitments up the yingyang and are neglecting your shop, that’s where something has to change. You are a business, you have to commit yourself wholeheartedly. Although, I think maybe that’s what the problem is-too many half hearted commitments and not enough solid commitments. That’s why I have few commitments, but the one most important to me (outside of family of course) is my shop.

  577. CWebster October 19, 2009 at 8:58 am #

    Wow, you people are all fucking unbelievable. Truly.

    If you think Nutmeg is breaking the law, call the authorities… Interpol, the FBI, whomever. Discussing conspiracy theories on an internet blog just makes you look daft.

  578. confused October 19, 2009 at 9:03 am #

    I’m confused as to why some of you are referring to uludag as cwebster? why? I thought cwebster wasn’t even involved in the Adia fundraising.

    Seems to me to be a bit silly to bring up another dispute PD is having into this particular matter. What does it even contribute?

  579. confused October 19, 2009 at 9:04 am #

    wasn’t uludag shown to be nutmeg’s husband?

  580. shameonyou October 19, 2009 at 9:07 am #

    Confused
    Uludag was shown to be a friend of Nutmeg’s, Rahul something, in regards to cwebster you can be sure no one brought that dispute in here he brought himself in here.

    His posts are what seems like an attempt to derail attention from the issue being discussed.

  581. Lexie October 19, 2009 at 9:11 am #

    So everyone should only reply to the legitimate posts in here and totally ignore anyone not involved.

  582. CWebster October 19, 2009 at 9:13 am #

    “I’m confused as to why some of you are referring to uludag as cwebster? why?”

    Because they’re retarded. CWebster thinks Nutmeg is annoying, with all her rampant verbosity – something anyone who’s read my replies to her on the forum would immediately pick up on. But facts aren’t important here, clearly.

  583. raisin3 October 19, 2009 at 9:14 am #

    No, someone way up on this thread said uludag is cwebster, than said they were joking. Somewhere on this thread is a link to one of mr. nutmegs blogs where there is a picture of him in a skirt, this rahul guy posted comments below it and to me he writes NOTHING like uludag… mr. nutmeg writes a lot like uludag though..and has the same birthday too.

  584. pussdaddyblogs October 19, 2009 at 9:15 am #

    I agree, completely ignore the impotent little troll, and do not even type one word to him.

  585. Lexie October 19, 2009 at 9:17 am #

    There was never any serious suggestion that Uladag was anyone other than Mr Nutmeg or Nutmeg herself.

  586. CWebster October 19, 2009 at 9:20 am #

    “you can be sure no one brought that dispute in here he brought himself in here”

    There’s no “dispute,” shameonyou. Pussdaddy’s just riding on my popularity.

  587. JK October 19, 2009 at 9:25 am #

    I’ve noticed a lot of her old forum posts popping up and getting closed. Wonder if there’s a connection between that and the information here?

  588. Mira October 19, 2009 at 9:28 am #

    JK, someone just decided to be a troll and bring up all of her old posts. Don’t know what good they thought it would do.

  589. Anonymous October 19, 2009 at 9:35 am #

    CWebster, I truly believe your only intention in posting here is to continue to stir your own personal little shit pot. A “hey guys, look at me” sort of thing.

    There are enough posts dedicated to you, and you only. Perhaps you should return and flail around madly there. I don’t recall this post being about you.

  590. Not Really Surprised October 19, 2009 at 9:40 am #

    None at all Mira, some people are idiots and can’t help themselves

    It did appear to inform some people and alert them to recent events so served a purpose even if that wasn’t what was intended

  591. Lexie October 19, 2009 at 9:40 am #

    The fact that the old forum posts are being closed could be classed as “clearing out”.

  592. shameonyou October 19, 2009 at 10:13 am #

    correct me if I’m wrong, but I do believe that closed threads are not searchable on Etsy?

    could it be that its part of the “cleaning house” taking place? If so it’s too bad they forgot about the closed threads twitter and blog

  593. just amazed October 19, 2009 at 10:18 am #

    i think more are posting than cw to say ‘look at me’. the suggestion that ulu and he are the same was an attention getter with no fact. a disclaimer- i was kidding- many posts down does not do it, nor is it believable. there are enough questions w/o making up issues.

  594. just amazed October 19, 2009 at 10:21 am #

    has anyone verified that the dr. is a dr?

  595. Chantelle October 19, 2009 at 10:25 am #

    drdjc, like PD and lo&Behold, I wonder whether the person you were talking to was a doctor at the hospital, let alone the child’s doctor. I know that the person sounded like a doctor and all, but it’s possible that the person wasn’t in the hospital or even taking care of this child. I know that this sounds like some sort of crazy conspiracy theory… But, sadly, at this point I feel like the rule with the nutmegs is to question everything.

    I don’t want to think that the nutmegs would have gone that far so a to spoof a doctor. But it’s hard for me not to be skeptical about everything associated with the nutmegs.

    drdjc, did you get the doctor’s name? Could we call the niloufer hospital and talk to this doctor again or make sure that the doctor really existed?

  596. Lexie October 19, 2009 at 10:29 am #

    Chantelle

    drdjc is a doctor. I trust her and believe what she says. I don’t think there is any point in getting a name or in calling the Niloufer. The doctor probably wouldn’t remember and things have gone past that stage now anyway.

  597. Sally October 19, 2009 at 10:36 am #

    Chantelle, that does sound a bit out there. Let’s not conjur up false theories, and try to focus on the facts. Besides, that’s a moot point.

  598. Chantelle October 19, 2009 at 10:43 am #

    Lexie, I wasn’t suggesting that we verify what drdjc was told… I was suggesting that we find out whether the person she talked is/was a doctor at the hospital the child was admitted to. You’re right that it would be hard for a doctor to remember the details about one child two months ago.

    I believe that drdjc is to be trusted as well. It’s the nutmegs I don’t trust.

  599. Lexie October 19, 2009 at 10:51 am #

    I don’t trust them either but even if the hospital was contacted and the doctor spoken to if he didn’t remember the conversation it still wouldn’t prove the Nutmegs liars.

    We don’t need to work on suppositions now – there is plenty undisputed evidence, maybe not about Adia herself but certainly about the way the Nutmegs conduct their business and that in itself is enough to cause a very large element of doubt about everything they are associated with.

  600. Chantelle October 19, 2009 at 10:57 am #

    I don’t think the existence of the doctor is a moot point; it goes towards showing how much of this is a scam.
    The whole thing has revolved around the child and her condition.

    I’m not the only person who has wondered whether the child exists. If the doctor drdjc spoke to is at that hospital, then it’s more likely that the child does exist and this might not be a total scam. We might not know whether the money went to the child but at least we would have some reasonable certainty that the child exists.

  601. Sally October 19, 2009 at 11:03 am #

    It’s a moot point in that we’ve gone past this and there’s plenty of other issues to raise flags.

    I agree with everything you’ve said, Lexie.

  602. sb October 19, 2009 at 11:07 am #

    Am I foolish to think this is a criminal case? Shouldn’t the police be informed? I’m in the UK and if this was all based here, I’d be asking someone official if they wanted to investigate.

  603. Lexie October 19, 2009 at 11:19 am #

    I think even if it was a criminal case it would be very difficult to prove. “I gave 30,000 rupees to some beggars and didn’t get a receipt”. How can you prove otherwise even of you strongly suspect because of lifestyles etc that it is probably untrue?

    Also, in the UK and USA things are more legally orientated. In India I get the impression that a lot of the time *anything goes* which is why a lot of scams originate from countries like that.

  604. sb October 19, 2009 at 11:32 am #

    Absolutely Lexie – but if Nutmeg is American, if Etsy is American, if Nutmeg’s followers are American – maybe the Indian connection isn’t paramount. Maybe it comes under US jurisdiction. I just don’t know how to find out.

  605. Trudy October 19, 2009 at 11:47 am #

    Ok…Shameonyou…when you stated that “Uludag was shown to be a friend of NM’s, Rahul…Just wanted to ask you respectfully, did this information come from NM?

    Dr. Respectablly speaking, India’s bureaucracy aside, I am disappointed in the fact that the reason that you are not supporting NM and her team is because of the reselling, stress, your credibility and reputation.

    I do not consider you a stupid person, but It is difficult for me to wrap my mind around the fact that there is so much information available regarding NM’s character…Stealing from Walmart is ok, the reselling (I know bothers you) the bold lies that she gave to the team regarding my friend and my not calling her. How could you regard you as not being someone who scams?

    She wanted me to lie to my contacts about not going to Nepal for a visa? Why? Doesn’t that alone cause red flags?

    and as for my friend all lined up set to go to the hospital waiting for contact from me from NM or meeting her at the begging area? I presented facts on the Adia thread that were informative and a concrete time table. I have always been willing to answer any questions posed to me. What explanation could NM ever give that was plausable? Why did she “blow my friend off?”

    I know I have asked this, but I have never gotten a clear cut and dry answer. Why is it important? Hundreds of dollars for me out of pocket and a fractured friendship and the first convo from NM stating, “I dont’t want you to think I’m ungrateful, but……and then her running around the hospital looking for my friend who was informed that she was taking the child to a private hospital.

    Why would she take the child to a private hospital when I had a respectable Dr. in line to observe the intake process at Hyderabad. She then became angry at me because he did not call her. That possibility had never been mentioned before.

    I informed her over and over that he was absolutely non threatening etc. I asked her simple questions that she informed everyone was too personal to answer.

    Who would be checking Adia into the hospital?
    Under what name?

    She had been concerned that the family was placing her at hospitals under false names. He wanted to know the name so that he could match it with the name that was registered.

    also they asked me to ask her what charities she had contacted in /and or around Hyderabad.

    She had stated that she was continuing to keep in close contact with an advocate that was arranging a date for temporary guardianship…there was an open court date mid Oct)

    Simple question….Who was the advocate? She stated in a convo she didn’t know. Which I asked again on the forum so that supporters could kind of put 2 & 2 together the way that myself and others have. drdjc…I would like to ask you what her explanation for that was.

    My Dr. friend had a lot at stake too. His reputation at the hospital and a connection that he wanted to protect at all costs.

    I know that she is fragmented and disorganized, but if someone is keeping in close contact with an advocate regarding temp. guardianship and discussed a court date wouldn’t you think that she would know the name of the advocate?

    Also Dr. last question for now. Do you feel that it is your responsibilty to your Adia friends and supporters to inform them that this could possibly be a scam. You are well respected.

    It broke my heart at one time to see such well meaning young people who have a difficult time eeking out a living for themselves donating so much time, money, and energy to this cause…While NMs are possibly traveling and shopping with funds met for Adia. I say possibly because I can not prove it.

    I do believe that their reputations are at stake if they continue down this path. They trust and respect you. Do you feel it is your duty to privately discuss your concerns with them…unless you have already done so.

    How many supporters are there currently? Thank you Trudy

  606. Trudy October 19, 2009 at 12:00 pm #

    3rd paragraph down should read…

    How could you regard her. (..not you….) as someone who would scam..

    Justamazed…I have never once been told or thought that I was an attention seeker. Many of us were getting off track that night. It was a crazy night. I was making a joke albeit a poor one. We were just getting through the night with crazy posts.

    Now we are on track….

    Mr.NM and Uludag are one in the same..I also read Raul’s post. There are nothing to suggest that it was him. He has quite a distinctive writing style. Trudy

  607. Trudy October 19, 2009 at 12:04 pm #

    again sigh….There IS (not are)nothing to suggest that it was him. sorry

  608. shameonyou October 19, 2009 at 12:08 pm #

    I thought I read somewhere that someone said uludag was a friend but it may be Mr. Nut.

  609. Chantelle October 19, 2009 at 12:14 pm #

    Sally, I see your point that you’ve gone past this, so it shouldn’t matter if the doctor exists.

    I guess I haven’t got past this yet, however. And that’s because I’m still trying to find out the extent of this scam/skim to determine whether or not it’s worth contacting the fbi fraud authorities about this. If there’s a scam there, then this is far beyond etsy and I believe if should be reported. I know that not everyone agrees with me, or with my approach to this. But I do believe that if a wrong has been committed, it should be reported. And I wouldn’t want to just report them without being quite sure, in my own mind, that there’s a scam/fraud case there. It would be malicious and unfair otherwise.

    For the record, I very much hope that nutmeg really is justover-committed, that the child exists, and that the worst she’s done is to skim money from the donations.

  610. forum rubbernecker October 19, 2009 at 12:21 pm #

    Pussdaddy’s just riding on my popularity.
    ________

    Pussdaddy was always more popular than you. I can’t stand her, but at least I know she wouldn’t lie about actually having sold close to 5 grand worth of goods on Ebay in the last 90 days and then feeding on the sympathy of lonely women for money and candy. And how was that virgin candy?

    Fuck all the beggers. No more money. Ever again.

  611. edcbyer October 19, 2009 at 12:30 pm #

    Hi, all. I think if there is any reporting to be done, that that is best left to those who feel they may have been personally defrauded. One contact # (from post 268 above) would be the FTC:

    FROM: http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/fraud/internet/#howtodeal

    If you think that you’ve been the victim of a fraud scheme that involved the Internet, you can file a complaint online with the Internet Crime Complaint Center, a joint project of the FBI and the National White Collar Crime Center. In addition, you can file complaints about specific types of fraud complaints with the following agenc(y):

    • Consumer Fraud: Federal Trade Commission: https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/

    Even with the info I have (and I have more research than I’ve gone into here for other people’s privacy reasons), I don’t believe it’s my civic duty to report simple suspicions to an agency, no matter how strong–only to report evidence of wrong doing.

  612. edcbyer October 19, 2009 at 12:35 pm #

    Hi, all. I think if there is any reporting to be done, that that is best left to those who feel they may have been personally defrauded. One contact # (from post 268 above) would be the FTC (google FTC complaint assistant [dot] gov).

    Even with the info I have (and I have more research than I’ve gone into here for other people’s privacy reasons), I don’t believe it’s my civic duty to report simple suspicions to an agency, no matter how strong–only to report evidence of wrong doing.

    (I posted this with the links, but it got stuck in moderation; didn’t want to wait 2 days for comment to get approved again, so took them out. It may show up again in the thread, sorry.)

  613. Mary October 19, 2009 at 12:52 pm #

    orum rubbernecker Says:

    Fuck all the beggers. No more money. Ever again.

    Noooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I’m working on my sob story because I am planning a trip to Europe next year and could use some spending money!

    I want to be bank rolled too!

  614. pussdaddyblogs October 19, 2009 at 1:28 pm #

    I won’t point out the disparity how of one blog post with 141 posts and another one with 294, most all hating on cwebster with some of the unkindest things I have ever seen said about a person points towared his being “popular”. Had I made a blog post loving him and that many showed up loving on him then yeah, maybe that would be being popular.

  615. pussdaddyblogs October 19, 2009 at 1:34 pm #

    The only thing I do know is that nutmegclick and her worthless husband are scamming people and using the good people of Etsy to do it. At this point I don’t care if they rent a kid, if they have found a picture on the internet and are using it, or if they are using old pictures of nutball who ran across this kid and took pictures long ago , or they are bribing the parents by flinging a few coins their way. What I do know is they are scammers and this is another method of income for them, as I believe scamming their way through life, as evidence by the subject matter of all of nutsack’s closed threads, is how they survive.

  616. Hmmm.. October 19, 2009 at 1:48 pm #

    Not for nothin’, CWebster, but if I were the recipient of money from some of the same hens who are freaking out about being scammed here, I’d stay far, far away from this blog post.

  617. Trudy October 19, 2009 at 1:53 pm #

    Someone mentioned 47 Etsians still supported NM…Is that a true number? Was that posted somewhere?

    Are the supporters that were posted on PD blog (and maybe here) board members?

    I would like them to come forward also anonymously of course with their thoughts…I hope they are lurking. If we could just change some minds it would have all been worth any of my posts. (I can only speak for myself) Trudy….

    Please don’t go down with the sinking ship…You still have time to row to shore.

  618. Not Really Surprised October 19, 2009 at 2:03 pm #

    Back on course

    We can probably fairly say we know they resell with flowery made up stories to attract the buyer, the evidence is very strong

    We know they are giving very bad customer service at least and possibly lying and cheating some of the customers

    We know Nutmeg can’t get her birth date correct and lies about where she is unless she is able to be in two places at once. The only reason for that would be deception

    We do not know who uludag is but does it make a difference whether it is Mr. Nutmeg or a close friend possibly Rahul Dhara who was supposed to be taking care of Adia in their absence friends and relations are still shilling when they buy to leave good feedback to counteract any bad feedback

    We know from evidence presented that Nutmegs do not stay anywhere or devote themselves to anything for long

    We do not know if the Adia story is a scam or a partial scam for Nutmegs benefit we can only conclude it possibly is on the basis of her character and certain aspects of what she has said at different times

    Whether the story is true or not does anyone consider Nutmeg a suitable person to send their money to and trust her to spend it wisely and achieve long term benefits

  619. Not Really Surprised October 19, 2009 at 2:08 pm #

    Trudy there were 47 members of their forum

    Some of those were undoubtedly there out of curiosity or to spy under alias names

    Its wrong to pressure the Doc the way you are doing she isn’t to blame

  620. Trudy October 19, 2009 at 2:46 pm #

    Notreallysurprised..Thank you..

    I am not blaming drdjc…I didn’t mean to come across as a 60 minutes reporter, I’m sorry.

    The Dr. did state that she would answer any questions that she could..I guess I took that too lierally.

    Again, I know that the Dr. is a wonderful person from what I read in my convos. We have had a few that were very respectful toward each other. I have informed others how I felt about her prior to her coming here to post.

    There are just so many unanswered questions that need to be answered. I don’t know who to ask. I have asked NM to no avail I thought that the Dr. would know the answers since she was communicating with her on the phone.

    I will apologize to drdjc I know that you are a humanitarian. It took a lot of courage to come here. I am sorry that I came on so strong. I do NOT blame you for anything. I have only respect for you. I just thought you could fill in the blanks.

    I do not have anymore questions for you. Those are the only ones that I have. Thank you Trudy

    notreallysurprised…I knew that they had 47 members. I was just curious how many they have now. I was hoping that the numbers were declining for their benefit.

  621. IHateBeingAnonymous October 19, 2009 at 2:50 pm #

    Hey all…sorry to post anonymous, but I had some problems recently posting on another blog (bad convos) so wish to protect my name…it’s irrelevant to the discussion anyhow.

    I never got involved in the whole Adia thing–just lurked in a lot of threads and have been reading this whole story since it first unfolded…I found the whole thing fishy since the beginning, and never donated any money or time to this “cause”. I never commented in the threads except to “mark” them.

    I just wanted to comment with my own story in all this..

    In my Etsy profile, it used to read what my husband did for a living (he’s partner in my shop, so the info was there as a way of introducing him), as well as the name of the popular family business.

    We received a convo from Nutmeg herself when all of this started–she mentioned that she’d read my profile and thought that we’d make “great supporters” (translation: I think she figured we were rich) and started telling us this whole spiel about Adia, what they hope to do, how much money they need, etc. and asked us to be sponsors.

    Wanting to give the benefit of the doubt, we convo’ed her back and asked a few questions to clarify her needs and how sponsorship would work in a case like this since there was no actual founded charity organization as of yet.

    She didn’t give much info in return, just said she’d answer us later in-depth as she was travelling.

    She said that they have tiered sponsors, and asked us to donate at least $5,000 to be wired as a money-transfer, In return our name would be mentioned on the Aida forums, and we would have the undying gratitude of the children of India. We would also receive a certificate.

    We never responded—because her evasisveness of our simple questions rose a bright red flag (not that it wasn’t already there, of course)

    I am curious if there has been other reports of Etsians being approached via convos/emails to be a “sponsor” of Aida?

  622. shameonyou October 19, 2009 at 2:56 pm #

    ihatebeinganonymous
    I do hope you forwarded that convo to Etsy, if other’s received similar convo’s I hope they forwarded as well.

    Confirmed:
    Lies
    Shilling
    Reselling
    and now
    Spamming

    What else does Etsy need?

  623. Trudy October 19, 2009 at 3:11 pm #

    anonymous…I am speechless…Absolutely positively speechless. Wow! OMG I have nothing to add to shameonyou’s post…I am appalled.

  624. Not Really Surprised October 19, 2009 at 3:12 pm #

    I feel I should alter my name to Now Totally Surprised

    ihatebeinganonymous that is incredible

    If true, sorry but I have to say that as I haven’t seen the convo, that removes any doubts about sweet shy Nutmeg who had the money almost forced on her by the friends in the forum who wanted to help and claimed not to have asked for money

    Did the Auntys encourage her or force her to spam for donations, large donations when they set up their foundation

    I doubt it but if any of them are reading a comment would be good

  625. Not Really Surprised October 19, 2009 at 3:16 pm #

    Takes a lot to make Trudy speechless but I can believe that did it

  626. Hmmm.. October 19, 2009 at 3:18 pm #

    Wow!

  627. BlackTear October 19, 2009 at 3:19 pm #

    I am unaware of Nutmeg soliciting large amounts of money to become a sponsor of Adia. She spoke of possibly having a subscription sponsorship on the forum, but that was not given much discussion at all and certainly NOT large sums like that.

    That’s a shocker to me, IHateBeing…

  628. Chantelle October 19, 2009 at 3:22 pm #

    Ihatebeinganonymous, thanks for posting what happened to you. I’m shocked that nutmeg wanted $5000 – that’s a huge amount of money! That definitely sounds fishy. I also wonder how many people nutmeg approached. And I wonder if the auntys knew that nutmeg was doing this. Anyone else know?

    I see everyone’s points about reporting nutmeg but I respecfully disagree: I think it’s important for anyone to go forward when wrongdoing has happened. It may be that the victims are unwilling or unable to go forward themselves.

    This is just my opinion and I’m not asking or expecting anyone to agree with it. My hope is only that you’ll understand why I request this specific piece of information about whether the doctor was employed by the hospital that day (as well as later requests, if they come up).

    I also understand if people don’t want to answer those questions, either because they’re uncomfortable or because they don’t want nutmeg to possibly be reported. Even so, I figure that there is little harm in asking my questions; if I don’t get an answer, that’s ok. I won’t pressure anyone to answer me or anything like that.

  629. pussdaddyblogs October 19, 2009 at 3:24 pm #

    Oh for God’ sakes, how could anything she does be shocking anymore. She is even racking up negs now for non delivery, no refund, and no comminication. Some of you are dumber than a box of fucking rocks.

    Can someone clarify where it is written that she is in Atlanta but also in India? Thanks.

  630. Hmmm.. October 19, 2009 at 3:26 pm #

    It says she’s in Atlanta on Artfire and also on a Craigslist ad I ran across while doing some digging.

  631. Trudy October 19, 2009 at 3:33 pm #

    notreallysurprised…I know I just wrote today’s date on the calender…ha

    I am so glad you posted that I hate being anon….You know that you are not the only one..what would the odds of that being so….OMG….I am grabbing a beer. I have to process this. This is some serious stuff here.

    Again…No one knows how much has been collected on their end. No idea…from Etsy yes, but

    did you all notice…she asked an Etsian to transfer funds via money transfer….hmmm Avoiding the treasurer/ paypal etc.

    hate to post…Do you have any idea when that was? I was wondering because of the time line….OMG

  632. Not Really Surprised October 19, 2009 at 3:35 pm #

    IHateBeingAnonymous I am sorry to have to sound like I have doubts and hope you understand that without knowing who you are or seeing evidence we have to proceed cautiously

    If Nutmeg did this once there is a good chance she did it more than once. Did anyone donate and would she have mentioned it to the Auntys

    IHateBeing mentions a money-transfer which would avoid the paypal and treasurer of the Auntys knowing about it

    Are the present items for sale on Etsy being donated to the paypal account and does Nutmeg have the password to access it

    Do those sellers know what is happening

    Some more serious questions seem in order now

  633. Not Really Surprised October 19, 2009 at 3:39 pm #

    Guessed Puss wouldn’t be speechless