Darwin Award- Fat Daddy Sweets

16 Oct

Since when do customers feel the need to pay up for the owner’s lack of business 101??! Shocking.

http://ow.ly/uKWy

Fans rally to rescue soured sweets maker in Oklahoma City
BUSINESS: WHEN HEALTH INSPECTOR REQUIRES LICENSE, OWNER TURNS TO WEB

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BY JENNIFER PALMER
Published: October 15, 2009

Alicia Helsley’s homemade candies are apparently so addictive her fans have rallied to get her back in business.

Until last week, Helsley was crafting gourmet truffles, caramels and chocolates at her Oklahoma City home and selling them online under the business name Fat Daddy Sweets. But a Health Department inspector came to her door and told her that although the sweets looked delicious, she has to prepare them in a licensed kitchen.

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36 Responses to “Darwin Award- Fat Daddy Sweets”

  1. JK October 16, 2009 at 10:49 am #

    Yikes! I missed the reference to Texas at first, but then. . .wow.

  2. Max October 16, 2009 at 12:12 pm #

    I’m happy for her success.

    But wouldn’t you think when Etsy did a feature on a food shop that they might have discussed the subject of food service regulations? Etsy’s articles are just fluff. Never any mention of any real business management issues. It’s not like the subject of health department licensing for food sales hasn’t been discussed in the forum over and over again.

  3. I heart cake October 16, 2009 at 1:08 pm #

    FatDaddySweets isn’t the same as FatDaddyBake Shop (now called Bangerang Bake Shop). Bake Shop is based in Illinois with an owner named Nicole.

  4. Amy October 16, 2009 at 1:19 pm #

    This is a pretty funny story!

    Max – I think that is harsh on Etsy – it’s not up to them to check that every shop is paying taxes and meets all regs and guidelines. However it does make the seller look a tad foolish!

  5. creative jerk October 16, 2009 at 2:53 pm #

    I’m going on Twitter right away :
    “Help! I’m an idiot! Give me money!”

    My workin days are over.

  6. Laura October 16, 2009 at 4:51 pm #

    Wait, this isn’t fatdaddy the cupcake lady? Is this article incorrect bc fatdaddy cupcake chick was on the today show. So, this oher fatdaddy stole her name basically?

  7. meh October 16, 2009 at 5:08 pm #

    I’m going on Twitter right away :
    “Help! I’m an idiot! Give me money!”

    My workin days are over.

    ****************

    i do dumb things on a fairly regular basis…where’s my money?

  8. ohjoy October 16, 2009 at 5:57 pm #

    this is why i dont buy food on etsy. gross.

  9. Chantelle October 16, 2009 at 10:27 pm #

    Amy, you’re right that it isn’t up to etsy to check every shop. I don’t think it’s too much to ask for them to check out the shops they feature, however.

    I would never buy food on etsy… I couldn’t be certain that what I got was ok.

  10. arrr October 17, 2009 at 4:02 am #

    wow new shop !!! 1 day listings 200+item WTF http://www.etsy.com/shop_sold.php?user_id=8279212

  11. Thud October 17, 2009 at 5:25 am #

    Right~ the BAKE shop is not the SWEET shop 🙂

  12. Suspicious October 17, 2009 at 7:41 am #

    I think it’s pretty crappy she chose a name so close to the original fatdaddy shop. Is that why it was changed to bangerang, because of this dumb bitch that didn’t know she needed licensing? Personally I think she was being a sneaky a-hole and riding off the coat tails of the bake shop as clearly even readers here thought it was the same owner.

  13. Dee October 17, 2009 at 2:23 pm #

    arr, looks like the shop you linked to is shut down.

    Was was confused about the name too. I know the original FD has a new name, but I would have thought this person was the same.

    Very unprofessional to go begging on twitter.

    I don’t buy baked goods on etsy, but will admit to a fondness for caramels from a certain shop.

  14. imwithya October 17, 2009 at 4:41 pm #

    “And a restaurant owner preordered enough sweets to get her the cash she needs.”

    I hope that restaurant owner didn’t order foods prepared in an unlicensed kitchen to serve in his/her restaurant.

  15. crazy cat lady October 17, 2009 at 5:49 pm #

    hmm…this seems to be the thing. “oops, I got myself in trouble! quick! come bail me out!” I’ll have to try that! 🙂

  16. artisan advocate October 18, 2009 at 12:58 pm #

    Unfortunate but true that a lot of small sweet shops start out this way, and their business grows and they don’t take the time to investigate what local and state licenses are required. Then one day, someone with an agenda gets a hold of their name and they learn the hard way. Water under the bridge.

    Fat Daddy Sweets isn’t a fraud. She didn’t steal anyone’s name, and she’s working on becoming compliant. The person who called her one on the fake fraud blog, however is a fraud. Ullja Kuntze sold cookies made in her mother’s house when her Etsy shop stated the cookies were baked in a “bakery”. This went on for nearly a year. Not only was she not compliant, but the health inspector was denied access to her facility after Ullja refused to provide proof of inspection to a customer.

    I think the two cases have some obvious differences. Fat Daddy Sweets isn’t hiding or denying her mistake. The person who brought Fat Daddy’s mistake into public view did it for the same petty reasons she’s targeted the other 100+ people on her blogs, and it has nothing to do with the welfare of the public.

  17. Ya betcha October 18, 2009 at 2:16 pm #

    Even consumer publications are talking about Ullja Kuntze. She’s finished as a seller of anything.

  18. 7ate9 October 18, 2009 at 3:02 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6259218&page=140

    she is complaining on this thread that you reprinted the article about her

  19. Stifler's Mom October 18, 2009 at 3:56 pm #

    The Wacko from Waco reported this seller? She may be a Kunt, but she has drawn awareness to the fact that you need to get your ducks in a row in order to sell food to the general public.

  20. forum rubbernecker October 18, 2009 at 4:10 pm #

    Ullja’s a kunt, for sure, but neglecting to get a sales tax permit for your state is hardly on par with neglecting to get your kitchen licensed. OMG.

  21. Lisabet October 18, 2009 at 5:26 pm #

    I can understand the need for regulations for food-preparers. What is out there is scary.

    That said, I don’t place much faith in the so-called “commercial and inspected kitchens” If you ever toured a restaurant kitchen..yes, even 5-star joints…you’d be appalled, and would probably never eat out again!

    My daughter worked as a busser while in college, at an upscale (inspected/licensed) restaurant…and the stories she came home with almost daily… disgusting…

    While I probably would not buy food online, for various reasons, I’d put more faith and trust in most home kitchens. The majority of folks try to keep their kitchens reasonably clean. The odd cat hair? Nothing at all, compared to “allowed contaminants” under the inspection and licensing regulations.

    Bottom line is….the bottom line. Licenses cost money. It’s a fee to raise money for the city, county, state or whatever agency has jurisdiction. They are understaffed, and in many cases, don’t have the personnel available to TRULY keep tabs on every single food establishment.

    If you believe all the horror stories about ‘home kitchens,’ then you’d better never support a school other organization’s bake sale again. Each of us was raised and fed out of a ‘home kitchen,’ and if we’re alive to read this, it was not a problem.

  22. Lindsey October 19, 2009 at 2:14 am #

    Lisabet,
    I’m with you on this.
    I’m a believer that *most* home kitchens are more sanitary than anywhere else. So I have no problems with local bake sales and the like.
    But, I probably wouldn’t buy food online–too many unknowns.

    For fatdaddysweets, I’m sure her kitchen was just fine. The problem here is that the law is the law and ignorance isn’t innocence. However, if her sweets are that successful that her fans are helping her with licensing then perhaps we should be happy that one of our fellow sellers has created a successful customer base.

  23. Max October 19, 2009 at 4:32 am #

    Amy & Chantelle:
    I don’t think it’s up to Etsy to check every shop for regulation compliance, and in my post I didn’t say that it was.

    I said Etsy should check the ones that they choose as Featured Sellers.

    If you’re going to make a big feature about them, they should check out properly – because you are promoting them as a success story when they aren’t successful at the basic level of setting up their business properly. Etsy’s Featured Sellers are run as examples of how to be successful on Etsy – as such, they should vet those featured sellers more carefully.

  24. unknown October 19, 2009 at 10:32 am #

    Max, I do agree with you. but, I think it’s been determined, that the featured shop, and the unlicensed shop are in fact two different shops.
    Maybe someone should remove the etsy link for the fat daddy bake shop article to avoid confusing it with the fat daddy sweets shop.
    I dont think anyone of us would want to be confused with one so foolish.

  25. Angel October 19, 2009 at 5:24 pm #

    I’m actually a customer of Bangarang (formerly Fat Daddy Bake Shop), and Nicole is definitely not the person behind “Fat Daddy Sweets”. Nicole moved shop off Etsy and onto her own website. I actually don’t think she had one neutral feedback, let alone a negative, out of thousands.

    Also, Nicole was/is a crusader for only buying from licensed kitchens. One of the first statements on the storefront was that she was one of the only licensed bakers on the website (at the time).

    And having paid a phenomenal amount to have her treats shipped to me internationally….I can say it was totally worth it.

    Fuck me, now I want a cupcake.

    All that being said, I’m not sure why the link to Nicole’s featured seller still remains. Two separate people. Two separate shops. One licensed. One…..license paid for by chumps.

  26. Diana October 20, 2009 at 7:44 am #

    Wow, such bitterness. I guess none of you have made a mistake in your life. Oh and name calling,,,really? How old are you people? Calling people who support others CHUMPS! Well I hope one day YOU don’t need a helping hand because Karma is a Bitch or dontcha know that. Wow, really I am so surprised at the crap being said here. Mostly because the person who started all this was Ullja and by jumping on one of her VICTIMS you are basically supporting that bitch.
    Looks real good on ya. Oh and I noticed that most if not all of you are posting as ANON’s. Real brave of ya…..

    “Mostly because the person who started all this was Ullja and by jumping on one of her VICTIMS you are basically supporting that bitch. Oh and name calling,,,really?” POT MEET KETTLE. -eco

  27. betsymn October 20, 2009 at 9:02 am #

    At least with a home kitchen run by an individual who’s trying really hard to make a go of it, you don’t have to worry about some bored teenager spitting on a sandwich or blowing his nose on a burger, like you do at the fast food places.

    And I don’t think FatDaddy was begging, not when she is going to have to work to fill all of the orders that came in response of the tweets. This is a little glitch in the road that will make her bigger and better.

  28. artisan advocate October 20, 2009 at 9:22 am #

    We do advocate food sellers having the correct inspections and licensing, and to consider their insurance needs as well.

    We don’t advocated smearing the name of a confectioner who made a common mistake, one made by many one-person businesses. Fat Daddy never tried to cover up her mistake. I think that says a lot about her character. Instead, she forged ahead with finding out what she needed to do in order to continue to run her business, and has been open about what she’s found and what she needs to do. Her customers support her. Frankly, name-calling in this case is small, petty, and smacks of its own brand of ignorance.

    The reason Ullja Kuntze is “reporting” her competition is because she was caught acting fraudulently. She owned several food establishments and went through the inspection and licensing process herself multiple times in Texas, so she is absolutely without excuse for shipping baked goods from an unlicensed home kitchen because she was fully aware she was breaking the law. AND YET, if she had been willing to act in good faith, the authorities would have given her the same opportunity as anyone else, which was to suspend operations and bring herself into compliance. Instead, she chose to deny authorities access.

    Ignorance may not equate to innocence, but no one is innocent all the time. Fat Daddy has shown a good faith effort, which shows strength of character that the Fraudlein Kuntze never had, so why all the pettiness over her mistake? Are you just jealous that Fat Daddy’s customers are so supportive that they pitched in to keep a small business from going under? Would your customers do that for you?

  29. Angel October 20, 2009 at 12:59 pm #

    Part of owning a small business is following all the steps necessary to ensuring that your business meets any and all regulations and requirements set out by law.

    Regardless if she opened her doors or not to the inspectors, which does not mean that leniency should be afforded (not by public opinion or the law), she failed to obtain one of the basic and fundamental items necessary to sell food out of the home. Even the most basic and cursory search through Google of the search term “selling baked goods from home” leads to pages and pages (and pages) of “need a license” at or near the very top of the page. Every Etsy seller at some point checks up on their competition. And a vast number of confectionary shops on Etsy note having licenses right on the store front.

    By not having a license she not only failed her customers, but she failed her business. I certainly hope she is putting it to right. But it was not the responsibility of her “fans” to obtain the necessary items to run her business. It was hers. At the start of setting up shop. At the start. Not after someone tattled. If this were 10 years ago, I might have more compassion for ignorance. But it isn’t.

    My customers would never be put in that position, plain and simple. The remark that it must be some sort of jealousy is simply absurd. I would also never announce my lack of license on social media sites where my customers follow me, and instead look everywhere else for help. Because the last people you should be asking for money from is the people who already gave it to you in good faith.

  30. pussdaddyblogs October 22, 2009 at 1:31 pm #

    I agree with Angel, were it me, I woulda had a giant yard sale, done a bunch of baby sitting, heck mowed yards, something rather than broadcast that I do not know the legalities of running my own business. I mean it would be one thing if she didn’t know she needed a fire extinguisher in the kitchen (just an example) but there is no excuse to not know you need to be certified and licensed to sell food.

  31. Gern Blanston October 23, 2009 at 6:05 am #

    Has anyone considered that the new FatDaddy picked that name knowing it was so close to the old FD and used any confusion to her advantage purposely?

  32. kitten October 23, 2009 at 4:55 pm #

    Has anyone considered that the new FatDaddy picked that name knowing it was so close to the old FD and used any confusion to her advantage purposely?
    ______________

    Yep. I thought it was the first one when I read this and thought, wow, I thought she was professional. Well she was/is. This lady, however isn’t.

    I agree PD, I would of raised the money myself, not begged for it. Not to mention admitting I was a clueless airhead to all of twitterville.

    She had to have known she needed a license. I refuse to believe anyone is that stupid otherwise.

  33. Diana November 5, 2009 at 9:22 pm #

    I am to guess that the person who put that bold quote in my response is the owner of this blog, but YES Uzilla is a Bitch, you got a better word for her?

    And just how is me calling Ullja a bitch being a black kettle? I did not call anyone on here a name, UNLIKE you people who it fling names around like CHUMP to describe people who support others in need.

    So now what eco, are ya going to make a post about how I have now made your do not buy from list?

    I am all for calling out violators, but this post about how a community is helping one in need, and then calling that person a whiner and those that support her CHUMPS is not about that.

    Whatever, you obviously have not ever needed help, and I hope you never do. Or maybe you do, but are too proud to ask either way, its not a nice position to be in, then to be stomped on again……….ya real nice.

  34. Diana November 5, 2009 at 9:23 pm #

    Yea kitten, real intelligent post. NOT.

  35. eieio November 9, 2009 at 2:22 pm #

    A lot of people have been following the Wacko from Waco (Ullja Kuntze) debacle. She is a real problem. She has defamed and reported hundreds of artisans to the IRS and online- without checking the facts. The fact that FatDaddySweets was actually in noncompliance with the law was purely coincidental, and does not mean that Uzilla’s fraud blog is actually providing a service. If you take U seriously, one would believe that all lampwork artists and bakers are frauds (which *surprise face!* are the two things that Ullja sells). There is currently a lawsuit against Ullja Kuntze. To call it “absurd” that FDS was reported out of jealousy and vindictiveness really is absurd. Nobody- Not FDS or anyone who knows about the nutjob in TX- is saying that a baker doesn’t need to be in compliance. Nobody is saying that because a jealous crazyperson is the one who reported her, she should not take the law seriously. The law is the law and ignorance doesn’t get you out of anything, but don’t discount a valid response about the motives of the person who reported her. Ullja Kuntze has been dragging a lot of people’s names through the mud, and the vast majority have been compliant with the law, tax paying individuals.

  36. Jennifer January 10, 2010 at 5:58 pm #

    I was one of the “chumps” that sent FDS some money to keep her business going.
    That’s what we do for friends in Oklahoma.

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