Easiest Way To Get Into Etsy’s “In Crowd”

11 Dec

AND into the gift guides.

…your wallet.

Specifically by buying Daniellexo a shirt.

http://twitter.com/daniellexo
I wanted this shirt from @xenotees for soooo long! Thanks @thepeachtree for getting it for me – you are a peach 😉 http://bit.ly/4X2pUd
5:40 PM Dec 6th from web

What do you think about admin accepting gifts?

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159 Responses to “Easiest Way To Get Into Etsy’s “In Crowd””

  1. whimsiclefuckery December 11, 2009 at 12:41 pm #

    Well, let’s see.

    ThePeachTree lives in Brooklyn, NY.

    They have been on the Etsy Front Page 162 times.

    They are in 2 Gift Guides.

    Not a featured seller yet. Maybe that’s what the t-shirt is for.

  2. whimsiclefuckery December 11, 2009 at 12:53 pm #

    LOL. Look at the shirt she bought for dxo, then look at the shirt she’s wearing in her blogspot bio pic:
    http://www.blogger.com/profile/09443993592130303632

    Who’s your buddy?

  3. jenn December 11, 2009 at 1:26 pm #

    Proof of how unprofessional and immature etsy admin are.

    Maria must be so proud.

  4. say what@ December 11, 2009 at 1:41 pm #

    Danielle’s twitter is locked. It may have been innocent, but b/c admin shuts down any threads about it, coupled w/ no explanation on receiving gifts from sellers ( check the etsy twitter – a team recently sent them some gifts too), and now the account lock it all looks bad.

  5. Liz December 11, 2009 at 1:46 pm #

    that’s incredible. just when you think the admins couldn’t possibly get any worse … not only do they not do their jobs, but they accept gifts from sellers too??

    um, that’s a direct conflict of interest miss Daniellexo!!

  6. JajieBo December 11, 2009 at 1:58 pm #

    Ugh. Perks of being an Etsy admin… gross.

  7. Life During Wartime December 11, 2009 at 2:06 pm #

    I don’t think simply living in Brooklyn and sending admins gifts are enough to get featured. That may help, but you also have to fit the Etsy concept of what is trendy.

    This whole situation STINKS. Any way you look at it, DXO was wrong. Even if she and the seller were BFF beginning in daycare. There are supposed to be some boundaries between your personal and professional roles.

  8. say what@ December 11, 2009 at 2:12 pm #

    when I first saw the tweet a few days ago I emailed admin, b/c I wanted to know what the rules were. They got back to me today. It isn’t against the TOU for sellers to buy admin gifts. I guess that means it’s not against the rules for admin to accept either.

    There will be no fallout for this. The only thing is that Danielle was probably told to make her account private; so she can post what she wants, and not call ethics into question.

    And I feel really, really icky about the whole thing.

  9. say what@ December 11, 2009 at 2:15 pm #

    Maybe a post to the BBB is in order after all. I have just never heard of a business doing this – legally that is.
    It makes me sad.

  10. crazy cat lady December 11, 2009 at 2:47 pm #

    The seller of the shirt is in like 3 GGs and has been on the FP 139 times since mid March as well. I tried to ask about this in the forums today, hypothetically, but my post got the old lock…not hypothetically. And my question was never answered (and it wasn’t even about bribing admin! it was about talking about tweets on the forums!)

  11. Christine December 11, 2009 at 3:13 pm #

    This is so unprofessional it’s unbelievable. Etsy admins take kickbacks for promoting certain shops. Some people need to be fired, quickly.

  12. Bookworm December 11, 2009 at 3:29 pm #

    Etsy is not a business. It is an exclusive hipster club masquerading as a business.

  13. janicejoplin2 December 11, 2009 at 4:48 pm #

    Does any one recall the thread that Shade posted in that commented on Etsy Admin. sending him a gift? I don’t know if he was BS ing…but I do remember reading it..

    Yes, the above stinks to high heaven..I saw your closed thread crazy cat. You hit a raw nerve somewhere..huh?

    Why aren’t politicians allowed to accept gifts?

    For the same reason that Etsy Adm. shouldn’t be. Ugh

  14. Bedazzled Condom December 11, 2009 at 5:02 pm #

    I see some (Etsy) things never change.

    Daniellexo is still a dolt.

  15. RocksInMySocks December 11, 2009 at 5:36 pm #

    Disgusting doesn’t even begin to cover this!

  16. fluffy December 11, 2009 at 5:41 pm #

    check out some of her tags
    http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?ref=vl_other_2&listing_id=36569475
    (what is “capricorn shipping”?)
    http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=33683733
    (“chic snow art deco”?)

  17. suspicious crab December 11, 2009 at 7:32 pm #

    Apparently I’m the only one, but I don’t see anything wrong with this. daniellexo and thepeachtree are friends — I know I’ve seen them together in photos in daniellexo’s flickr stream, at parties and hanging out and having dinner and stuff. The Etsy admin don’t live in a vacuum. They’re allowed to *gasp* mingle with us common folk. I think that thepeachtree was just giving her a Christmas present — something that friends do. I feel sorry for daniellexo – she was just thanking a friend for a gift, using her personal (not Etsy) twitter account, and everyone is jumping on the two of them like it’s some kind of conspiracy. I’m pretty sure that if this was “a bribe”, thepeachtree would be in a hell of a lot more gift guides than she is. Was daniellexo “dumb” for twittering about it? Maybe. But her naivete proves to me that she was just shouting out a friend and giving someone else (xenotees) some good press at the same time. Sorry, not seeing any big crime here.

  18. Lu December 11, 2009 at 8:09 pm #

    No crime suspicious crab, just unprofessional IMO

  19. Christine December 11, 2009 at 8:13 pm #

    There is nothing wrong with friends giving each other gifts but there is a thing called conflict of interest. Danielleexo is an Etsy admin and thepeachtree is an Etsy seller. Thepeachtree is in more than one gift guide and has been on the front page over 150 times. There is more here than a friend giving another friend a gift.

  20. janicejoplin2 December 11, 2009 at 9:58 pm #

    I agree Christine!

  21. janicejoplin2 December 11, 2009 at 9:59 pm #

    To me it’s the same thing as a judge in a beauty pagent judging her friend who is on the stage!

  22. Dee December 11, 2009 at 10:02 pm #

    I’ve heard some chatter about peach being in so many treasuries and front pages. This could well explain that.

    Do we know for a fact which admins pic the FP’s? If it is Danielle, you have to wonder if she is picking the treasuries with peach in them. But when you are in 25+ treasury lists at a time, I guess it is hard not to pick one she might be in. This still reeks bad.

    Wake up Maria and address the FP/GG/Storque favoritism or laziness, which ever you want to call it.

  23. pussdaddy December 11, 2009 at 10:23 pm #

    Personally, I have always liked Daniellexo. However, this was not the smartest thing to do, and I told her as much. I don’t think Etsy admin should be accepting gifts from Etsy sellers, or buyers either, and if they happen to be friends in real life, then something like this should be kept on the down low and not broadcasted across the internet. It just makes good business sense as a business person not to put your self in the position of having your business ethics questioned, as is happening now.

    PussDaddy

  24. pussdaddy December 11, 2009 at 10:30 pm #

    Also, for the record, Daniellexo was unhappy enough about all of this to send me her phone number and request that I call her, which I did not do. I had blogged about it myself and sent her several tweets yesterday as well as thepeachtree, and the next day I woke up and had the email with her phone number requesting I call her and she had also locked her twitter. I am not going to pay to call an Etsy admin long distance though over some bullshit like this, especially when you can’t get one on the phone when you need help, so I just emailed her back. Like I said, she has never bothered me and I have had good interactions with her, but as an admin of a site you have to think about how things appear business wise when you say or do them, especially when there is so much controversy over the same people always being showcased on Etsy as there is now. So I blogged about her just like I would blog about any one else that I have blogged about.

    PussDaddy

  25. Angel December 11, 2009 at 10:36 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/okaybags

    Caught them as they were listing everything. I had almost forgotten it was Friday!

    DXO has had enough “chances”. If she accepted a bribe or not, well that is completely beside the point. She is in a position in which she influences who gets free Etsy advertising. The mere HINT of impropriety to this extent would get her ass fired in EVERY OTHER JOB ON THE PLANET.

    I hope she gets down on her knees every fucking day and thanks her employers for her job because if she ever loses it, the utter lack of marketable (or even actual) business skills at this point in time leaves her shit out of luck and cleaning up deep fryers for minimum wage.

    Frankly, it isn’t undeserving. Her actions have consequences, and isn’t she old enough to learn that by now?

  26. angryone December 11, 2009 at 11:13 pm #

    DXO has about as much common sense as a box of rocks! Immature is too good a word to waste, let’s try infantile.

    She gives the impression that every thing that passes through her mind, seems to either float off the ends of her fingers in type, or out of her mouth in words….and since we luckily don’t have to hear her, all we have to deal with is the written word which is actually more damaging since it’s there in black and white for all the world to see.

  27. hmmmm2 December 12, 2009 at 6:09 am #

    Being just friends and exchanging gifts as such is one thing, but there is a conflict of interest when thepeachtree is featured gazillions of times and she is a friend of danielle’s- gift or no gift.

    Adm should not be giving preferential treatment to their pals. Period.

  28. notvintage December 12, 2009 at 6:54 am #

    Maria doesn’t care. She gets a nice salary for doing whatever she does to keep a respectable National Public Radio front on the site.
    She doesn’t know what handmade is according to the site TOU and has said as much.
    Nobody is in charge of those silly little ignorant fools “working” at Etsy.
    That place insults everyone’s intelligence. They figure they can afford to; plus it’s so easy. They don’t need intelligence or experience: those people are too much trouble.
    Get the others, who will list prices under their overhead, renew every day, buy showcases, twit their twats off, and otherwise ignore everything done (not done) by EtsyCorp to actually run a site that customers can trust. Who cares if they can’t read or understand listing rules? Who cares if “they” are a sweatshop in Calcutta? Who gives a shit about the face Etsy shows the public?
    I’ll answer that question: Not the people who work for or at Etsy or the people who put up the $$ and expect results. They are laughing at Etsy sellers and customers every single day.
    A charming, used-car salesman writing style in the forums sucks in too many little fools. Put that guy to work full-time writing blogs and send him to Germany!

  29. sb December 12, 2009 at 8:22 am #

    Since frequenting this beloved blog, I’ve taken to listing more on folksy.com. They may not have the mega-dooper profile of Etsy, but they seem like good sorts, you know?

    I started on Etsy because it seemed like a place that cared about handmade, authentic, whatever. Now it just feels as yucky as everywhere else.

    Bah!

  30. forum rubbernecker December 12, 2009 at 8:46 am #

    I’m pretty sure they’re real life friends and it’s not a secret. But gift giving should be kept quiet. It’s not really a secret that the real life friends of admin will get featured all over the place.

  31. michelle December 12, 2009 at 9:00 am #

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/theraghouse

    Is this type of listing allowed?

  32. Cher December 12, 2009 at 9:04 am #

    Whether or not it’s ‘kosher’, it would seem to me that the impression given is not a good one. If it were from a shop that doesn’t make the FP so often, or isn’t in the GG, no one would care or even notice. I remember awhile back there was some scuttlebut about cookies being given to admins, and lo and behold those shops made the FP…. coincidence? I think not! It just seems to me that there is an awful lot of favoritism on Etsy, and they’re using their “tastes” to create trends that really don’t exist anywhere else. It just seems so unfair, when there is so much talent on Etsy, yet only a small percentage of that talent is showcased. Most of the front pages I’ve seen are a bunch of crap that I wouldn’t want, nor would I consider giving as gifts (to anyone I liked, lol). JMHO of course 😉

  33. JK December 12, 2009 at 9:22 am #

    Wow, Michelle — you found a winner there! I suppose admin are too busy covering up improper business behaviour by their co-workers and closing threads to deal with this glaring example of TOU abuse.

  34. Itstinks December 12, 2009 at 9:26 am #

    When my friend Sharon gives me a gift, I say “my friend Sharon gave me a gift.” I don’t say “my friend blankblank.etsy.com gave me a gift.”

    If she is tweeting about a friend gift, why didn’t she just say thepeachtree’s real name and that she got a nice gift. Why did she call her thepeachtree and not her real name?

    That says to me it was not a friend gift. It was a gift to an etsy admin.

  35. susan December 12, 2009 at 10:03 am #

    The shirt looks so much better on peach.

  36. Gila December 12, 2009 at 10:32 am #

    @ Suspicious Crab: No, you are not the only one. I cannot get worked up about this either… or find any serious fault.

    Etsy are people, too. They do their job because they love the handmade crowd. They start building personal relationships with sellers…. And I think this is all good.

    If peach tree didn’t have cool pictures, she wouldn’t make it to FP, no matter what she sends admin.

    Admin constantly twitter what they buy on Etsy as well. They are allowed to have their own favorite sellers. And it’s not that they curate that many FPs – most are curated by users.

    Neither do I find such a huge fault with sellers repeatedly being on the FP – it’s just logical. If you have great photos, are listing a lot and are actively promoting, you just end up in a number of treasuries, which again gets you noticed, which then means more treasuries and more FP.

    Anyone can make FP on a regular basis – if they put the time into it. Meaning very regular listing and kick-ass photos. Photos are where most sellers fall short – and sorry, but I don’t want to see blurry, gray or cluttered photos on FP.

  37. Lu December 12, 2009 at 10:55 am #

    Anyone can make FP on a regular basis – if they put the time into it.
    —————–
    I don’t believe that anymore

  38. say what December 12, 2009 at 11:08 am #

    “Admin constantly twitter what they buy on Etsy as well. They are allowed to have their own favorite sellers. And it’s not that they curate that many FPs – most are curated by users.”

    —-

    Most, not ALL. And what about the GG’s – those are picked by admin. I agree w/ what was said above – DXO didn’t say “my friend gave me a gift” she said the name of the shop & links.

    In the real world, that is against the law – even the FTC has said it’s against the law for blogs to accept free gifts of the things they promote. How should etsy be any different? DXO’s tweets are now private too. So along with no clarification to the tweet heard round the world, her account is locked up visible only to those who request her. It has now gone from innocent gift giving to cover up.

  39. kandiland December 12, 2009 at 11:15 am #

    Gila – I disagree! There is absolutely no reason why any seller should be on the FP several times a day, in Etsy finds all the time, and in GG’s all the time. There are enough sellers with “cool” photos. Give me a break!

    And, of course, if they are friends, that’s great. But Daniellexo could have tweeted – “my friend (insert real name) gave me this great shirt from xenotees. I love it because (insert all teh reaasons she loves it). She didn’t have to say thepeachtree, a seller on Etsy. It just stinks of impropriety and is very unprofessional. If Etsy were a public company she would be FIRED. Etsy is a private company, and they probably don’t have policies or a code of business conduct for their employees.

    She can tweet about thepeachtree jewelry or xenotees shirts, 95 times a day if she wants to. And she talk about their products ad nauseum. I DON’T CARE!!!!!!!! But saying publicly that she accepted a gift from a seller who is featured ALL THE TIME is very unprofessional. She could have completely avoided this firestorm.

    I am so sick of all of the lectures about sellers with “kick ass” photos. Have you even taken the time to search through Etsy? There are sellers with more beautiful photos and items than those featured all the time. All admin has to do is get off their ass and look.

    I don’t think any seller can make the FP on a regular basis if the put the time into it. I think that’s BS. I think there’s very little hope for sellers who have kickass photos and work hard. There are many sellers who put a ton of time in their photos and work very hard and are never featured. Etsy admin has favorites and that’s all there is to it. That is how they choose to run their business. That’s their business model and their choice.

    Do I think thepeachtree bribed Daniellexo? NO – I DO NOT. They are probably friends who exchange gifts. I don’t think it’s fair to accuse thepeachtree of anything. I don’t think it’s fair to bash her about this. And I feel badly for her because her name is probably being dragged through the mud.

    Do I think Daniellexo could have handled this more professionally? – YES. She caused this problem for herself, for thepeachtree and for xenotees. And it didn’t need to happen. She screwed up totally, and I think the criticism is well deserved.

  40. susan December 12, 2009 at 11:16 am #

    DXO named the shop and links because she is Etsy’s Marketing Genius and knows how to promote, promote, promote…
    Because that’s what Twitter is for, right? Promotion, 24/7.

  41. Life During Wartime December 12, 2009 at 12:09 pm #

    Members of the Etsy community have been curating less than half of the front pages for a long time (nearly a year?) now. If you look on Craft Cult, you will see the orange E avatar next to more than half of the fp collections.

    Even the fps that do come from treasuries made by community members have to fit Etsy’s trends, and include the ‘right’ kind of items and photos. Not necessarily the most beautiful photos or items. There are artist photographer shops on Etsy, for example, and their work does not often make the front page. I don’t think they are passed over for the fp because they need to take better pictures.

    Many of the people who work for Etsy have no taste, and I am not talking about ‘trends’ here. As a reminder for Etsy artisans about what kind of people are judging their work — because Etsy is jurying the site promotions — stick a copy of Maria in her Halloween trash bag up on your studio wall for a reality check as needed.

  42. Lu December 12, 2009 at 12:25 pm #

    agree 200% with kandiland, thanks for explain it so clearly.
    I’m sick of people telling the seller that they aren’t enough

  43. Kirsi December 12, 2009 at 12:54 pm #

    “…Etsy are people, too. They do their job because they love the handmade crowd. They start building personal relationships with sellers…. And I think this is all good….”

    Someone’s spiked the kool-aid… Etsy isn’t people, it’s a company. A company where the employees have both Admin. rights AND user status (protecting them from e.g. “calling out”, which in their case means from any form of criticism, when they’ve f’d up). A company, where the employees are allowed to use their Etsy username to promo tweets about their personal friends and gifts received from them. A company, where their lawyer doesn’t see a conflict of interest in the employees (including the lawyer!) to run shops on Etsy. And no, they don’t love handmade – sorry, you didn’t say handmade, but “handmade crowd”…

    Glad someone else cleared the hallucination about users curating most of the FP treasuries.

  44. molls December 12, 2009 at 12:59 pm #

    I’m with Life During Wartime on the subject of FP curators. Rather than seeing treasuries put together by sellers, it seems that we’re seeing FP groups found via search terms–let’s not forget the baby blankets featured after a search using the key words “pine cone”!

    As for daniellexo, she doesn’t seem to be the brightest bulb in the string. Chances are pretty good that she got chewed out for her clueless and unprofessional behavior.

  45. hmmmm2 December 12, 2009 at 1:09 pm #

    I don’t think thepeachtree has that outstanding of photos to make the fp all the time, so this explains a lot. Her photos all look like they are taken on top of a cup turned upsidedown, and some are blurry. If I recall, blurry wasn’t acceptable for the fp.

    I’ve seen a lot of jewelry much better photographed.

  46. etsycallout December 12, 2009 at 1:12 pm #

    Maria doesn’t care. She gets a nice salary for doing whatever she does to keep a respectable National Public Radio front on the site.
    She doesn’t know what handmade is according to the site TOU and has said as much.

    And let’s not forget her Halloween costume of “rolling in money” with the tarp and all the dollar bills on it. That sent out a great message. -ECO

  47. say what December 12, 2009 at 1:33 pm #

    Even Tiger Woods & Hugh Grant admitted it when they effed up. The least DXO could do was that. But instead, she hides behind the etsy brand & locks up her tweets, effectively giving us the finger. You can bet there were a ton of “you did NOTHING wrong. WE LOVE YOU (/cough/ and look for my item in the mail/cough)

  48. suspicious crab December 12, 2009 at 1:34 pm #

    I have to say that this is a really level-headed, mature discussion about this….very cool, I think. I’m glad. Thanks.

  49. WHAT!!!!emm December 12, 2009 at 1:47 pm #

    ETSY not the same shop,but same pictures …….
    http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=22077001
    http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=22690992

  50. say what December 12, 2009 at 1:54 pm #

    Well, its better then screaming, ranting & raving in all caps & cursing up a storm, at any rate !

    I think when the people en masse get mad, and want change, a reasonable, well thought out defense is best, otherwise you get a “you crazy” look. Not saying all the other stuff doesn’t have its place, but if you want to be listened to, .and respected its not the route to take.

  51. handmadelove December 12, 2009 at 2:01 pm #

    fluffy Says:
    December 11, 2009 at 5:41 pm
    check out some of her tags
    http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?ref=vl_other_2&listing_id=36569475
    (what is “capricorn shipping”?)
    http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=33683733
    (“chic snow art deco”?)

    ___________________________

    Total Tag Abuse!! Her shop should be flagged. I doubt they will do anything about it though. She’s clearly a fav. I don’t think it’s fair that she doesn’t have to follow the same rules as everyone else. But given what else is going on…….

    This is my own editorial comment – I am not impressed with her pictures or her jewelry. It’s not very original. I don’t know why she’s featured all the time over other, more creative sellers with beautiful photos.

  52. Gila December 12, 2009 at 3:31 pm #

    Well, level-headed… let’s just say we agree to disagree. 🙂

    I’ll put the “everyone can make it” to the test again in March. Full-time, completely new product, new shop. And I am still counting on Etsy to be my main sales venue.

    If I’m bankrupt by December, I was wrong. 😉 If not, I hope to be one of those sellers that you can get sick of seeing on the FP the whole time.

    It’s a business. It’s doing something I love, true – but it still needs to pay the bills. If that means I need to know how to play Etsy’s rules (in photos, tags, listing, products), then that’s fine by me.

  53. notvintage December 12, 2009 at 4:25 pm #

    Gila: “play Etsy’s rules (in photos, tags, listing, products), then that’s fine by me.”

    Respectfully, the site has TOU. This favoritism has nothing to do with rules. Etsy admin have promoted plenty of shops and items that fly in the face of Etsy “rules”, the only one in writing– and those are the Terms of Use. It has become apparent to me in the past few years that there are Etsy employees (and uppers) that do not have a clear understanding of these TOUs, just their own preferences.

    Of course, anybody is welcome to cater to those preferences if that is their choice…..

  54. Bedazzled Condom December 12, 2009 at 5:07 pm #

    “And let’s not forget her Halloween costume of “rolling in money” with the tarp and all the dollar bills on it. That sent out a great message. -ECO”

    I only saw one photo of her costume but it looked to me like she was actually wrapped in an inflatable life boat, not a tarp.

    Does anyone know for sure?

    At least a life boat makes some sense as a costume, especially for someone with such an inappropriately inflated sense of self-importance. Maybe that is why it popped into my mind?

  55. anonymous December 12, 2009 at 5:33 pm #

    Gila Says:
    If peach tree didn’t have cool pictures, she wouldn’t make it to FP, no matter what she sends admin.

    Her pictures are nice, but not kickass. Not any better than (at least) 50 other jewelry shops that make basically the same items. Neither her photography nor her items are especially unique. They are nice, but any of her frequent FP spots could easily be swapped out to a shop that is not a personal friend of any admin, and who has equally nice pictures and items.

    Gila Says:
    And it’s not that they curate that many FPs – most are curated by users.

    False. Admins curate about 55-60% of front pages, for the last year. And they curate all the gift guides and all the Etsyfinds and all the Storque articles.

  56. anon December 12, 2009 at 6:13 pm #

    Respectfully, the site has TOU. This favoritism has nothing to do with rules. Etsy admin have promoted plenty of shops and items that fly in the face of Etsy “rules”, the only one in writing– and those are the Terms of Use. It has become apparent to me in the past few years that there are Etsy employees (and uppers) that do not have a clear understanding of these TOUs, just their own preferences.

    Of course, anybody is welcome to cater to those preferences if that is their choice…..

    _______________________________
    I couldn’t agree more. And I did look at thepeachtree’s tags as referenced in the comments. They definitely violate the TOU. I just can’t believe this whole thing….wjw

  57. Sally December 13, 2009 at 12:06 am #

    Wow, ok, well, now I know why Peachtree is on the FP so often. Her jewelry is ok, but certainly nothing special. So many other wonderful jewelers out there.

  58. janicejoplin2 December 13, 2009 at 1:38 am #

    OH PeachTree..You are so clever. Only you could fit 31 words in 14 tags. wow..did you brainstorm with “Your friend” to be so very craft with..(what’s the words I’m looking for?)

    Oh I remember, ” Tag Abuse!” tsk, tsk

  59. marcelly December 13, 2009 at 6:02 am #

    why is anyone still bothering with this insane website?

    (etsy.com, i mean)

  60. not that complicated December 13, 2009 at 7:40 am #

    Itstinks Says:
    December 12, 2009 at 9:26 am

    When my friend Sharon gives me a gift, I say “my friend Sharon gave me a gift.” I don’t say “my friend blankblank.etsy.com gave me a gift.”

    If she is tweeting about a friend gift, why didn’t she just say thepeachtree’s real name and that she got a nice gift. Why did she call her thepeachtree and not her real name?

    That says to me it was not a friend gift. It was a gift to an etsy admin.

    —-

    When I tweet about one of my friends, or put it up on facebook, or blog about it, if they have an etsy, or a website, I *always* link to it. Why not give my friend some free press when I can? It’s not uncommon, or odd, it’s a pretty regular occurence for us crafty folk.

  61. GernBlanston December 13, 2009 at 7:55 am #

    Here is a gem:

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/bestvalueforyou

  62. GernBlanston December 13, 2009 at 7:55 am #

    And another:

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/Gingeret

  63. Chantelle December 13, 2009 at 8:00 am #

    DXO might be a nice person, but as an employee, she’s quite unprofessional. Remember when she was a forum mod and she gave the wrong interpretations of the rules? Was she more successful in the Labs?

    DXO is a liabilty to etsy and has been for a long time.

    At least she doesn’t choose the GG or FP, apparently – I’d convoed Maria and that’s what she told me.

  64. JK December 13, 2009 at 8:52 am #

    Having finally seen her work and known it was hers, since neither her pics nor her pieces are particularly unique, I do have to say this clears up why thepeachtree gets so much press when there are easily dozens and dozens of artists on Etsy who could make far more stunning pieces with their eyes closed.

  65. say what December 13, 2009 at 9:50 am #

    wow, her tags are ridiculous!! A beaded necklace being called “mixed media”? But she does use all the buzz words etsy looks for. Hmm. wonder how she got a hold of those?

    Capricorn shipping – only explanation I could think of was that she tagged it specifically for the holiday season, since Capricorn is a horoscope that has a birthday & people are looking for free shipping. This way, if on the chance someone was actually looking for an item her shop would pop up. And maybe, someone would get sidetracked & look at her stuff.

    It must be nice to be a favorite. You can be sure her & DXO are sitting pretty, while we sit & are mad about this. I think I’ll go flag every single thing in her shop for tag abuse. And then email flagging w/ her shop link just for the heck of it.

  66. say what December 13, 2009 at 10:08 am #

    I ended up emailing, with examples. She has way to many items to flag them all.

    If there is one thing i dislike more then bribery & favoritism, it’s dishonesty. And this blatant disregard for the rules is a prime example.

  67. anon December 13, 2009 at 11:10 am #

    say what says…It must be nice to be a favorite. You can be sure her & DXO are sitting pretty, while we sit & are mad about this. I think I’ll go flag every single thing in her shop for tag abuse. And then email flagging w/ her shop link just for the heck of it.

    ________________

    Please do! There are hundreds of other sellers with better pics and more unique/beautiful jewelry. She’s on the FP several times a day. Ugh. It just makes me cringe. And I saw her interviewed on TV…don’t even get me started…..

  68. Gila December 13, 2009 at 12:05 pm #

    DXO is a liabilty to etsy and has been for a long time.
    =======================

    Full-heartedly disagree. Danielle is great – because she is no corporate drone, but actually lives and breathes the handmade movement.

    Honestly, why do these discussion come down to bashing Etsy or admins? No one forces you to sell or buy there…

    I get the reseller call-outs, but it’s a miniscule percentage of all of Etsy. That doesn’t change that the whole site is good.

  69. whatadrag December 13, 2009 at 12:36 pm #

    i have to agree with gila. bashing the administration seems counter productive.a team is only as good as its leadership. the leadership here seems lacking. it is irritating and am sure we could all use more visibility, especially in light of the millions of new members arriving each month. i get no views, not because of search but because i am buried in so much muck. it would be great to have a venue to promote my product that is smaller and no not artfire. i am on a smaller site and get much more traffic because there are not so many sellers burying my listings.

  70. kitten December 13, 2009 at 12:46 pm #

    If Danielle accepted a gift, she should of thanked her privately or else thanked her friend (by first name) and not mentioned her shop.

    I can see why xenotees would be on the front page, but thepeachtree, especially so many times?? Come on! Her jewelry is run of the mill and her pictures aren’t anything special. It’s pretty obvious she is there all the time because of her “friendship” with admin.

    I am so tired of seeing “monkeysalwayslook” featured everywhere, but at least her pictures are worthy and her items are cool.

  71. say what December 13, 2009 at 12:47 pm #

    That’s why I think tag abuse needs to be curtailed, if not stopped completely- if people didn’t put unrelated tags on their items, or words that have nothing to do with said item, then listings wouldn’t get buried so much. And stores like thepeachtree have absolutely stuffed their tags, with keywords, synonyms, & everything but the kitchen sink.

  72. Angel December 13, 2009 at 1:35 pm #

    Pointing out, repeatedly, that an admin can’t do her job is not “bashing”. As a very public face to a company, her unprofessionalism and lack of business skills speak volumes about the corporation itself. That makes her a very large liability, no matter if she “lives and breathes the handmade movement”.

    I’d also like to see data that sellers who violate TOU’s are a “miniscule” part of Etsy. If they were such a small part of such a large entity, you’d think that admin would be able to curate a simple FP or GG without featuring at least one of them.

  73. handmadelove December 13, 2009 at 1:35 pm #

    gila says:

    Full-heartedly disagree. Danielle is great – because she is no corporate drone, but actually lives and breathes the handmade movement.

    Honestly, why do these discussion come down to bashing Etsy or admins? No one forces you to sell or buy there…

    I get the reseller call-outs, but it’s a miniscule percentage of all of Etsy. That doesn’t change that the whole site is good.

    _______________________________________________________
    There are not enough words to describe how much I disagree with you. Corporate “drones” as you so rudely call them are often hard working and ethical. I’m a “drone” and proud of it. I love and embrace the handmade movement. I’m creative, “green,” and I care deeply about people. And you know what, I’m also proud of the fact that I have ethics and scruples. Something that Daniellexo does not remotely have.

    For shame on Daniellexo. She should be FIRED!!!!!!!!!

  74. notvintage December 13, 2009 at 2:00 pm #

    What’s with the “get out of Dodge” mindset? That old tune is the last argument of some who has…….no point. When in doubt, tell people that “if they don’t like it they can leave.”
    It might be counter productive to someone who wants to suck up to Etsy admins, but to everyone else it’s pretty obvious that there are some (shall I say) challenged staff people working at Etsy? Why not call them on it? Fear? Please.

  75. Gila December 13, 2009 at 2:08 pm #

    I am sorry, but I’m out of here. To me, this is bashing. Both of admin and a seller… and both ridiculous.

    If you hate it so much, leave. But to be honest – there is no handmade alternative out there that comes even close to Etsy sales.

    I am all for banning resellers and fake vintage shops. But I am so fed up with the whole whining about who gets the spotlight.

    Is it difficult to compete with sellers that do this full-time? Of course – they put in so much more time and money, and if they are smart, manage to capture the Etsy vibe. More listing = more sales = more treasuries = more front page = more sales again. It’s not rocket science….

    Neither Danielle nor Peach Tree deserve the bashing they are given here. And why? Because someone is jealous. Just like every freaking time the GG or FP is mentioned in the forums.

    Why not just improve your own shop and marketing, instead of bashing everyone around you? That ain’t gonna bring in an extra sale.

  76. Life During Wartime December 13, 2009 at 2:15 pm #

    Gila, I think you seriously underestimate the number of shops that break the rules by reselling, category flipping to buy showcases, tag abuse, or all of the above.

    While it’s certainly not every shop, it could be as high as 30-40 percent of shops that violate the rules occasionally, if not as standard operating procedure. On a site the size of Etsy, that’s huge!

    Far from being the flagship of the ‘handmade movement’, Etsy has become a place where the customer doesn’t know if what she is buying was handmade by the seller or is true vintage…and doesn’t care as long as it’s “cute”. That is obviously the standard Esty staff use when selecting items for features like the Gift Guides and the Dorque. Because if you do handmade, love handmade and live handmade you can do a much better job keeping resellers from getting the juicy promotional spots.

  77. JK December 13, 2009 at 2:50 pm #

    Ah, the classic ‘improve your own shop and stop trying to get the venue to live up to its own advertised standards!!!!’ argument. That old chestnut always appears when people run out of constructive things to say.

    If I rented a flat in what was advertised as being a building of single-family flats only to have the owners turn half of it into a cheap no-tell motel, I certainly wouldn’t slap a fresh coat of paint on my door, turn my back to the deception and think I’d done a fair job of improving things.

  78. say what December 13, 2009 at 2:57 pm #

    Not condoning breaking the rules is NOT bashing. Getting the spotlight on your own merit & skill is one thing – getting it by deceit is another. You are acting like we are just spewing lies & making things up, when everything that has happened has been put out in the public for us to see.

    It is a fact that thepeachtree is miss-tagging – grossly miss-tagging. Not one or 2 items but every single thing in her shop. How is that fair to the other sellers?

    I put in a lot of money. I put in a lot of time. So do many, many others. We just don’t have the benefit of an admin friend OR abusing the TOU.

    As for DXO, it;s great she is passionate about handmade, I think if you work somewhere you should be; BUT she needs to remember that she is also an admin, and some people take their word as gospel. If she is going to be a friend, be a friend. But when she needs to be an admin, she need to change her hat.

  79. handmadelove December 13, 2009 at 3:17 pm #

    Oh dear Gila, I so love the jealousy argument. Trust me, I’m NOT jealous of thepeachtree. And I’m certainly NOT jealous of you. I have tons of sales through sweat, hard work and amazing photos. And I am NEVER on the FP or GG.

    I ALSO FOLLOW THE RULES. Asking our fellow sellers and Etsy Admin TO FOLLOW THE RULES is not bashing, and it’s not jealous.

    That’s all I want – a level playing field in which everyone follows the rules. I don’t give a damn if there’s one seller on the FP 150x per day. I DON’T CARE. But if they don’t follow the rules, then I think it’s fair to call them out.

    It’s not jealousy to ask that admin behave professionally and that sellers and admin FOLLOW the TOU.

    I’m sooooooooooo glad you are outta here. You are not adding anything productive anyway.

    Oh, and I will NEVER leave Etsy. So, stop asking me to – not gonna happen. And I won’t be quiet either.

  80. say what December 13, 2009 at 3:46 pm #

    ::clapping:: for handmadelove

  81. Thud December 13, 2009 at 8:00 pm #

    Well said handmade love! I get nothing from Etsy in terms of GG front pages etc. and I used to think like you did Gila~ that hard work would get you there ~ but it has progressively gotten worse and while my sales have skyrocketed without Etsy’s nod in any way, I no longer believe in the hard work thing as far as Etsy promotion.
    It is biased and narrow minded. There is a deep disregard, even disdain for those who don’t fit the mold of what admin thinks is hip.
    And shopping is hella difficult when you can’t tell the real handmade from the resellers.

  82. pussdaddy December 13, 2009 at 8:12 pm #

    As far as Maria goes, what a big disappointment she turned out to be. It was like announcing here comes the big money shot and all you get is a little tiny spurt.

    PussDaddy

  83. anonymous December 13, 2009 at 10:05 pm #

    Typical dodging the issue.
    A tag-abusing seller with average items and photos gets tons of free publicity due to a friendship with admin.
    If you object to this, you are just jealous and need to work on your photos.

    People are sick of this misdirection and bullshit. The most-favored shops did not all get where they are because of amazing pictures, I think we all know that.
    Even buyers-only find this favoritism disgusting, so how are they jealous? What photos are they supposed to work on?

  84. Anonymous December 14, 2009 at 12:04 am #

    For the longest time, I have thought that the etsy Front Page is rigged and honestly this just kind of justifies that whether done intentionally or not.
    The reality is Danielleexo is not the most knowlegeable admin…nice girl, but knowlegeable ? No. I have been in her “Virtual Labs” and she just regergitates the same info you find in the hand books or the Storque Blog, the other sellers chatting on the side are more useful. I also find her unprofessional, late and very slow to do things.
    Heres a tip:
    NOT EVERYONE NEEDS TO KNOW EVERYTHING YOU ARE DOING AT ALL TIMES…SO STOP WITH THE TWEETING ABOUT YOUR INAPPROPRIATE ACQUISITION OF COMPANY MERCHANDISE”

    This looks so suspicious, they consistently have the same people on the Front Page, not to mention blatant resellers and claim that “they try to do everything they can to stop them” but obviously they dont. As anyone with intelligence can tell if someone is a reseller. And with all the great sellers on etsy, you mean to tell me you cant rotate the photos?

    Also, if she feels like she didnt do anything wrong, why did Danielleexo block her tweets? Then write a private email to PussDaddy to “call her”…feeling guilty?..

    Danielleexo is a nice girl , but clearly clueless…anyone else would have been fired by now as in this economy people have a low tolerance for B.S

  85. idaknows December 14, 2009 at 2:46 am #

    “But when you are in 25+ treasury lists at a time, I guess it is hard not to pick one she might be in.”

    I’m in 10+ gorgeous, varied, very “etsy” treasury lists at any given time (thanks to my treasury teammates) and admin manage to ignore these treasuries 90% of the time.

    When I started the closed and private team that I currently work with, I handpicked my teammates based on outstanding photos and their very obvious eye for the specific etsy aesthetic. I thought that we needed only to curate strong treasuries with varied price points and a mix of well-photographed items in order to find our treasuries (and thus our teammates) on the FP more frequently. I thought we were going to finally make the system work FOR us. Well, I was wrong. Our treasuries almost always expired without being promoted to the FP, and we merely watched as seller-curators CLEARLY involved in two overlapping teams got promoted OVER and OVER and OVER again (and their small cluster of hyped-to-death teammates–many of whom are also in GGs and in admin-curated FPs–got prime FP spots OVER and OVER and OVER again).

    Upon recognizing this trend, I began featuring members of these hush hush teams in my treasuries with the hopes that they might feature me in theirs (this reciprocal practice is something of a common courtesy in the treasury world), but I discovered that not only do most of these sellers not reciprocate, but they don’t even bother to comment on your treasury or respond to your notification convo. Why should they, really, since they seem to understand that the chances are quite slim that a treasury curated by someone NOT in their exclusive coterie will make the FP?

    This experience over the last two months has convinced me that the FP is NOT about good photos, good products, or good luck. It is about knowing admin and those who know admin. It is about personal, economically-motivated agendas (seller and admin). And most of all, it is about the “appearance” of equity and egalitarianism among members of the Etsy community.

    The FP is not merely juried, it is manipulated — by a small group of sellers and the admin who apparently don’t think the rest of us are watching.

  86. Who Knows! December 14, 2009 at 4:25 am #

    Speaking of unethical business behaviour. My favourite fashion magazines regularly accept gifts and freebees from companies in the hope of ‘gasp!!!’ being featured in the magazine.

    Geeez there’s got to be a law against that!!!!!

  87. Dee December 14, 2009 at 4:43 am #

    well said idaknows

    I’ve have seen treasury cliques recently.

    This goes beyond FP Bingo. There are sellers that methodically put the same people in their lists and admin feeds into this by putting those same people and lists on the FP over and over.

    How do we get admin to take this seriously? We want to be heard, but not blackballed from the FP. Treasuries are about other sellers, not self promotion, so this frustration can not be viewed as jealousy. How do we speak up without fear of retribution?

    We want some equality. We want a neutral venue on the FP!

  88. GernBlanston December 14, 2009 at 5:57 am #

    Wow. So there is a treasury mafia. Sort of makes me sad. I guesss its not against the TOU but its just one more road block to normal people who have nice photos getting a shot at the front page. Doesn’t really seem fair.

  89. MadeByM**** December 14, 2009 at 7:52 am #

    The only way to get a business’ attention? Boycott……but, unfortunately, there are way too many future Etsians out there waiting to join up and kiss their a$$, so, the impact would be minimal. I was all gung-ho when I first signed up and believed in the good photos and self promotion only song. But, now, it just reminds me of being in high school again, where you have to be in the right clique to be popular. If Etsy does not do a 180 and start making some major changes here real soon, it will fade away. Trends only last so long…..

  90. hmmmm2 December 14, 2009 at 8:12 am #

    funny… now thepeachtree is in the latest voter.
    isn’t that an “in your face” move on adm part.

    sickening

  91. forum rubbernecker December 14, 2009 at 8:51 am #

    Gila, I would agree with you, except that I used to be what you are complaining about. I improved my shop a lot and was featured some, and I am a hell of a lot more talented than peachy. But I am never featured anymore, so the “why don’t you just work on your shop” argument doesn’t really work. Admin has whims and it’s almost impossible to predict their whims and favorites, other than, if a seller lives in Brooklyn, they probably know Etsy admin and will get featured much much more.
    And I don’t know who all was here last year, but just about a year ago there was a huge fight in the forums about the front page. It was then that a friend of mine worked out all the connections and figured out that dxo and peachy are friends. That’s also when Etsy started curating front pages about half the time, which did improve things for a while, but it does seem like there will always be the favored ones who will always be featured, regardless of who else is featured.
    And I have used peachy in treasuries because I know she makes the FP. Yes, I am a pimp.

  92. Anna December 14, 2009 at 10:11 am #

    i’m lucky–i sell to a niche market that i advertise to off-etsy. so i do okay without exposure from etsy itself.

    but i’m on a team that has a lot of frustrated jewelers. i’m amazed at their talent–there’s some amazing artistry and creativity. the ones i know take lovely photography which is certainly FP worthy. but who do we see on the FP over and over and over again? the same jewelers, with their simplistic designs. there’s so much creativity and skill out there that goes unnoticed, and it’s pathetic of etsy to parade out the same stuff, over and over and over again, when they have such a wealth of beautiful items that they could be featuring.

  93. say what December 14, 2009 at 12:00 pm #

    I am about to cry in frustration. I really wanted to be in this voter. I submitted an item; before I found out that the admin only picks on a first come first serve basis. Ok fine; I can deal with that if that’s “easier”.

    But now, after all that has gone on this week with the infamous tweet, DXO locking hers, the locked forum posts that ask what’s going on, the emails that are going unanswered; ethics, favoritism , the tag abuse she perpetuates… peachtree is in it. I’m at a loss.

    I really do want to keep selling. I want to make a go of this. But how can I even imagine to think that I’ll be semi-successful if the playing field isn’t level? I feel so conquered already at this game, and I barely got to play.

  94. say what December 14, 2009 at 12:08 pm #

    Sorry, everyone. Just feeling sorry for myself & I let it get the better of me.

  95. MadeByM**** December 14, 2009 at 12:15 pm #

    Selling your items will always be tough, no matter what venue you’re a part of, because of competition and the “size” of the internet! So, don’t get frustrated or disappointed. That’s the nature of the beast. Though favoritism is rampant on Etsy, there will always be obstacles and challenges when selling your wares, on-line or in person, no matter where you go. Same goes for actors and singers, etc. If you’ve got the talent and the fortitude and the tenacity, you’ll make it. But it will take hard work. For most people, it will not be handed to them on a silver platter. Etsy, or any simiular venue, is not that magic pill that will make you famous or successful! I dislike what is going on over at Etsy and so I either have to “poop” or get off the toilet. Either do what you need to do to get yourself out there or move on. Take advantage of Etsy or try a new venue. If Etsy wants to stay successful, they will have to make some changes….soon, or they will start start to fade as sellers realize there’s better venues out there. Yes, we as sellers need to voice our opinions and concerns and our issues, but, don’t judge your success based on one venue!

  96. MadeByM**** December 14, 2009 at 12:20 pm #

    P.S. I agree, you will get more exposure if you’re one of the lucky ones to make it to the front page, gift guides, etc., but, if you truly believe that you’re going to find a “level playing field” in the world of selling your wares, you’ve got another thing coming! There’s no such thing!

  97. say what December 14, 2009 at 12:26 pm #

    I didn’t expect it would be easy, but I guess I was a bit (ya think?!) idealist thinking that it would be fair. It’s like any other business venture- it’s about who you know. I need to remember that, and why I began creating in the first place, and somehow make the two mesh. Of course I’m going to keep on truckin’, giving up isn’t really in my nature:)

  98. MadeByM**** December 14, 2009 at 1:03 pm #

    Good job, say what! Hang in there!

  99. whimsiclefuckery December 14, 2009 at 2:29 pm #

    No one who knows anything at all about running a business thinks an entrepreneurial craft business will be easy.

    But it is an odd twist that Etsy, rather than being The Site that puts crafters on an equal internet promotional footing with the big retailers, has become a cliquey juried site for a small group of crafty wholesalers.

    Totally in opposition to the Mission Statement. Perhaps they should just go ahead and change that statement already.

  100. forum rubbernecker December 14, 2009 at 5:08 pm #

    For most people, it will not be handed to them on a silver platter.
    _________

    But, because some people do get it handed to them, it is frustrating. We all want to be one of those who receives a wave of the magic orange wand.
    Say what–I hear you and I completely sympathize.

  101. PussDaddy December 14, 2009 at 5:36 pm #

    hmmmm2 Says:
    December 14, 2009 at 8:12 am
    funny… now thepeachtree is in the latest voter.
    isn’t that an “in your face” move on adm part.

    sickening
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

    Was she in there before this shirt thing happened?

  102. hmmmm2 December 14, 2009 at 5:44 pm #

    No Pussdaddy, she is in the new voter that came out today.

    It’s a real in your face thing, I think. Plus she was on the FP today.

    With all this preferential treatment, I wonder if adm is getting flooded with Christmas presents!

  103. notvintage December 14, 2009 at 5:45 pm #

    Community Council. I wouldn’t have the patience to deal with those numbnuts; besides I know from personal experience that they only hear themselves, and will never admit that someone else has an idea or they are wrong.
    High school; been there, did that, not going back.
    “I have a great idea for the Prom decorations!”

  104. anonymous December 14, 2009 at 8:18 pm #

    “But when you are in 25+ treasury lists at a time, I guess it is hard not to pick one she might be in.”

    Here is the thing. People are putting her in treasuries BECAUSE she is on the FP so much. Not because her items or photos are so great, because there are hundreds of other jewelry shops just as good or better. Curators stack their treasuries with sellers they know admins like, in order to raise their chances of getting that treasury on the FP. The more admin favorites you have in your treasury, the greater it’s chances. (i.e. the Bingo principle)
    It’s a vicious circle. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

  105. anonymous December 14, 2009 at 9:50 pm #

    I couldn’t agree with you more, anonymous. It really is a vicious cycle. Gift or no gift, I still believe it’s an outrage for a company such as etsy not to even try to be fair with regard to featuring sellers on the front page. It doesn’t matter who it is, thepeachtree, or any other etsy seller – no single seller should receive that much in-your-face favoritism from etsy – ever. Something else I have noticed is the fact that there is also a pattern of the same few seller’s treasuries (with thepeachtree in them) that get picked for front page by etsy. What the heck?

  106. The Crone December 15, 2009 at 2:16 am #

    I knew I was right when I said the only good thing coming out of Brooklyn is the pizza. Not even sure about that right now.

    Has to be some way around the censorship. Maybe a day with no one doing any renewing might make Etsy take notice. There is strength in numbers. One alone will get shut down or kicked out but they won’t kick everyone out.

    They said they would answer privately by email and yet I still have no answer to my email.

  107. The Crone December 15, 2009 at 2:29 am #

    Just looking through some of the posts.

    Bottom line is you get what you pay for and I’ll bet the salaries are low for the etsy admin. which is why they have a staff of very unprofessional people on board. They have people making selections from shops who have not one clue on how to pick winners. Friendship seems to be the only criteria.

    This whole mess has to violate the contracts we all have with etsy. Bet not one of us thought the playing field would be this crooked.

  108. crazy cat lady December 15, 2009 at 7:08 am #

    I am another beaded jewelry seller at etsy, and I’ve been there about 2.5 years. I came there totally naive and gung-ho about how wonderful etsy was, how they really respected artists and handmade blahblahblah, and really believed if I just worked on my pictures and tried harder that I, too, could be on the front page!

    Well, I have FP-worthy pictures. And have for 2 years. I would go into the forums, into critiques (even before there was a critique section) and ask about my pics and they were always praised as “FP worthy”. Even by the “popular kids”. I commented on treasuries. I made them. I studied the “type” of jewelry that got on the FP and started making that type and photographing them the same way – out of focus macro. And, even though I was never on the FP or in a GG I was successful until they fucked with the search in Sept. ’08…until it became NECESSARY to be an etsy favourite to be seen.

    Anyway…I believed the “work harder, work on your pictures” bullshit too. My pictures are better than more than half of the ones on the FP.

  109. The Crone December 15, 2009 at 8:21 am #

    My work is good enough for an art gallery (they requested and have 16 pieces) and in a publication of Better Homes and Gardens but apparently i don’t meet the high standards of Etsy for the front page. But then again, I did not send any gifts to anyone. Nor will I. We are on our own people and there will be no advertising from etsy for most of us.

  110. WindyR December 15, 2009 at 9:17 am #

    I am sick unto death of that carrot on a stick “take better pictures, renew often, participate in the forums, and twitter (i.e. spam) your products” to get recognized. I have been on etsy for over a year and I have seen the favoritism and front page repetition get worse and worse. The appearance that giving an admin a gift will gain a seller an advantage is just revolting – sure it might not be literally true, but it still LOOKS bad, and etsy is so quick to punish those that it feels misbehave – why don’t they hold themselves to the same standards? It boils down to the fact that we ALL pay the SAME for a listing – why should a select few reap so many more benefits for their 20 cents? Why should some people shell out 15 dollars to get a day on a showcase when others pay nothing to get far better exposure on the front page. I will never waste my money on a showcase ad again – there are websites with very good traffic that charge the same fee for a full week’s worth of advertising. As for treasuries, it really annoys me that people feel the need to stack their treasuries by selecting established front page favorites, perpetuating the viscious cycle, in order to get their treasury on the front page. I do like making treasuries, and I make them as often as I can. I try to pick people with less exposure that fit into my theme and it is very satisfying when someone convo’s me to say how thrilled they are to finally be in a treasury.
    Instead of all the ridiculous gift guides (isn’t the whole site a gift guide – why pick out certain items – that still eludes me) – make the search mechanisms BETTER so if someone really does want and owl wearing a cowl they can search for it easily. It drives me crazy that if I search for something, not only do I get a lot of items that don’t pertain to what I am searching for but they are only arranged by date of listing – forcing people to believe that the only way they’ll be found is by constantly relisting and wasting their money. Can’t they introduce a search tool to sort by most expensive to least expensive and/or other sorting mechanisms? Can’t they do a better job of monitoring tag abuse and resellers? And with this latest nonsense with the admin getting gifts from sellers that even if it didn’t actually get that seller any advantage certainly looks bad, I really think etsy needs to reevaluate their direction and tactics. Somehow, I don’t think that will happen. I have had modest success on etsy and probably won’t leave in the near future as it is convenient for me – but I am not happy with the service they provide and will be keeping my eye on some of the other venues to see how they progress. Why is my 20 cents worth so much less than the favored few?

  111. MadeByM**** December 15, 2009 at 9:53 am #

    WindyR

    FYI……you can sort by newest, oldest, price, relevant. Once you type in what you’re looking for, there’s a drop down menu, listed under the page numbers of the sort, titled “sort by”.

    Or you can break them down by category (on the left side bar).

  112. WindyR December 15, 2009 at 10:04 am #

    Thanks for the FYI – my goof. It still doesn’t make me feel better about all the points in this thread. I am still frustrated with etsy and feeling that some folks get a much better value for their 20 cent listing fee than others. I am curious to see where this leads.

  113. The Crone December 15, 2009 at 12:46 pm #

    “The appearance that giving an admin a gift will gain a seller an advantage is just revolting – sure it might not be literally true, but it still LOOKS bad,”

    Don’t kid yourself on this one. When one person makes the front page 166 times there is something rotten in Denmark. They don’t even hide the favoritism now. It’s all very open. I’m going to try and send a few letters. One to the CEO and one to the founder and see what they think. They may not give a damn but they will give a damn that it might become very public. And well the should.

  114. anonymous December 15, 2009 at 1:30 pm #

    Daniellexoxo is running Shop Critques on Virtual Labs right now… I am tempted to ask her live about “Shirtgate”, lol

  115. say what December 15, 2009 at 2:26 pm #

    OMG if anyone calls out DXO on a lab… I think the etsy based universe would explode – here, twitter, the forums, the blogs… on both sides. I am in no way brave enough.

    ———-
    Don’t kid yourself on this one. When one person makes the front page 166 times there is something rotten in Denmark. They don’t even hide the favoritism now. It’s all very open. I’m going to try and send a few letters. One to the CEO and one to the founder and see what they think. They may not give a damn but they will give a damn that it might become very public. And well the should.

    —-

    I don’t think anything will happen, until a new regime takes over. It’s been a week & the only things to happen was DXO’s twitter was locked, and peach tree got into a voter.

    My email to flagging was not responded to. Maybe they are too busy? Maybe they don’t care.

  116. notvintage December 15, 2009 at 3:20 pm #

    DANIELLE = dumB with a capital B.
    She’s running EtsyLabs; what a hoot. I wouldn’t take a middle school summer fun art class from these know-nothing no-talent Etsy admins.

  117. notvintage December 15, 2009 at 3:26 pm #

    Speaking of no-talent, check out what Danielle thinks is creative:
    http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=36143347
    Both shops have the same sort of drecky, no-talent jewelry designs. Truly KMart-worthy/

  118. Laura December 15, 2009 at 3:44 pm #

    I actually like this necklace of hers: http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=36682473

    I do think it’s weird admin have shops though.

    And the new “in” crowd is sooo us Etsy Call Out fans. And Von Lady. 🙂

  119. Christine December 15, 2009 at 5:09 pm #

    I e-mailed Etsy about this issue and actually got a response.

    This is what they had to say:

    “Thank you for taking the time to share your concerns.

    When a Forum thread begins centering on a negative discussion about an easily identifiable member of the Etsy community – whether it’s a seller, a shopper or an Admin – it is our responsibility to close the thread. We value and benefit from healthy discussions in the Forums, but we also have a responsibility to protect individuals when they are singled out. This policy is detailed here: http://www.etsy.com/dosdonts.php#community

    To address your second concern, Daniellexo does not have input, influence or responsibility for any of Etsy’s curated areas, including the home page, gift guides and emails. As a company, Etsy does not engage in “payola” type activities. This particular event was not presented in full context. We have, however, used this as an opportunity to remind Etsy staff how individuals’ personal actions and comments can be perceived by our community and reflect on the company.”

    I didn’t feel this addressed the issue and sent them this reply:

    “Thank you for your response.

    One of the reasons this issue has become a sore point for many Etsy sellers is the ongoing problems and frustrations with the Etsy front page and gift guides. There are so many sellers on Etsy yet too often one seller is featured over and over again. One seller in multiple gift guides is a problem. How are sellers supposed to react then, when something such as the Daniellexo issue happens? With the number of great artists on Etsy how exactly does this happen? Is it favoritism, laziness?

    I don’t need to hear more Etsy rhetoric about good pictures, Etsy brand etc. etc. The bottom line is there are a select few being featured too many times. Adding to this issue are the number of resellers who are featured on the front page and in gift guides. Whoever is curating the front page and gift guides needs to do a better job of selecting the items featured, stop selecting from such a small seller base and do their homework before featuring someone.”

    Will they bother to reply? I’ll keep you posted.

  120. anonymous December 15, 2009 at 5:46 pm #

    Christine , that was an excellent reply…You are so correct, they spout that tripe about photos, and tags and how they try to catch reseller….

    Great reply…couldnt agree more…there are too many good etsy sellers to have constant repeaters on FP

  121. say what December 15, 2009 at 5:46 pm #

    Wow they got back to you.That alone surprises me. I guess it could be true about DXO not being a curator. But -good for you for responding, since they only addressed in part your (our) concerns, and nothing about repetitive GG people.

    Now I hope they get back to those of us who emailed them about peach tree’s crazy tag abuse. Unless, DXO works in flagging.

  122. lucky December 15, 2009 at 11:45 pm #

    I just saw that danielle has a blog has anyone else read it? it was on twitter http://goldschool.typepad.com/gold_school/

  123. Life During Wartime December 16, 2009 at 2:46 am #

    Interesting that so many of her blog ‘finds’ collections are excerpts from Dorque features. She says they are her picks. Does she curate, then? Or does she have to echo Etsy features in her blog? Everything about this person seems FAKE. Just a puppet. Maybe someday she’ll leave Etsy to become a real girl.

  124. Bedazzled VONdom December 16, 2009 at 12:01 pm #

    “We have, however, used this as an opportunity to remind Etsy staff how individuals’ personal actions and comments can be perceived by our community and reflect on the company.”

    And here we have the crux of the matter.

    Dear Etsy, if any employee is unable to process such basic business fundamentals the first time around, SHE IS A DOLT AND A LIABILITY AND SHE SHOULD NOT BE WORKING FOR YOU.

  125. uh-huh December 16, 2009 at 12:04 pm #

    How many times can a person screw up before they get the boot around here? Etsy must have a 25-strikes-and-you’re-out clause for admin or something……

  126. janicejoplin2 December 16, 2009 at 12:24 pm #

    Oh Chirstine..Good job! Keep us posted, but I won’t hold my breath about the section that you are waiting for!

  127. Christine December 16, 2009 at 2:59 pm #

    Well I did get another reply but it didn’t really say anything:

    “Thank you for further expressing your concerns about the item listings and shops chosen to be featured in Etsy’s curated spaces. I will pass along your comments to our Marketing Team for consideration.”

    I’m sure my comments will be ignored along with all the other comments they have already received.

  128. WindyR December 16, 2009 at 7:30 pm #

    Nothing much has changed, despite your great job with the letter – just refer to the current front page.

  129. Dee December 16, 2009 at 7:49 pm #

    I still want to know who picks the FP? Does anyone know? A single admin, a few of them???

    I guess if we knew for sure, you can bet your arse there would be a zillion more shirts and goodies on the way asap to that person.

  130. idaknows December 17, 2009 at 12:06 am #

    I keep a pretty close eye on the FP, and I feel like it’s been REALLY varied over the last 24 hours. There have been a few of the go-to curators and a few of the go-to shops, but I’ve seen a lot of new shops featured today.

    Seems like perhaps they’re finally taking note of this concern…

  131. pussdaddy December 17, 2009 at 2:03 am #

    hmmmm2 Says:
    December 14, 2009 at 5:44 pm
    No Pussdaddy, she is in the new voter that came out today.

    It’s a real in your face thing, I think. Plus she was on the FP today.

    With all this preferential treatment, I wonder if adm is getting flooded with Christmas presents
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

    That sucks then. But hopefully what idaknows says is true, for how long is tho is anyone’s guess.

  132. The Crone December 17, 2009 at 3:59 am #

    I woke up to being in 2 gift guides. Etsy has created such a hostile environment that I don’t even know how to take this. A way of shutting me up? I honestly don’t know. They never answered my email and that email was well written and not an accusing rant. I was polite. Never got an answer.

  133. crazy cat lady December 17, 2009 at 7:21 am #

    Hmmm…I was “called out” on twitter as being a “birthday hater” (which, as far as I can tell, is the cousin to a grumpy hater) and hypothetically started a post in the forum that was hypothetically closed.

    And I’m in no GG. Nor have I been on the FP in the past year.

    Perhaps I should start emailing them?

  134. The Crone December 17, 2009 at 8:10 am #

    I haven’t made the front page although I was an alternate twice. I’m just suspicious of etsy right now. Maybe they will answer your email, didn’t answer mine although I made my position clear. Respectfully so they can’t use that as an excuse. Maybe they answer every other one. Who knows. So far being in the gift guide means nothing. I have all of 1 heart today. lol.

  135. pussdaddy December 17, 2009 at 6:11 pm #

    The only birthday I hate is my own, which is coming up in a couple of weeks. If anyone wants it they can have it.

    PussDaddy

  136. Chantelle December 19, 2009 at 4:12 pm #

    whimsiclefuckery Says:
    December 14, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    But it is an odd twist that Etsy, rather than being The Site that puts crafters on an equal internet promotional footing with the big retailers, has become a cliquey juried site for a small group of crafty wholesalers.


    And yet Maria thinks that etsy isn’t juried. I asked her about the problems with mistagging and resellers in the GG and FP, and this is what I got in response from her:

    “Regarding your statement about instances of resellers and mis-taggers featured in the Gift Guides and on admin-curated Front Pages, Etsy uses its best efforts, investing significant time and effort to review thousands of items and shops, to avoid featuring any such sellers in curated areas of the site.

    Etsy does not jury sellers, and we enable sellers to tag their own items. As a result of both of these democratic approaches, unqualified sellers and/or improperly tagged items may periodically and inadvertently be featured. As you may know, we rely on Etsy users to help police the site, and we take great care to review all flagged items and shops. We make every effort to quickly remove any such items if they are indeed inappropriate. On balance, we believe that an open site policed by the community is more favorable for sellers than a juried site with strictly imposed categorization.”

    Sigh. I’d hoped that Maria would bring change… instead, she seems to have been brainwashed by the staff at etsy. Including DanielleXO, who I believe should have been fired a very long time ago.

  137. Angel December 19, 2009 at 9:32 pm #

    The use of the term “birthday hater” as a response from an Etsy employee to a legitimate appearance of a conflict of interest is not only unprofessional (par for the course), but only making the issue worse. It’s also flat out passive-aggressive bitchy.

    Grow up, Etsy employees. If you fuck up, you apologize properly and profusely (sincerely should go without saying). You even apologize when you’ve done nothing actually wrong but there is the appearance of wrongdoing. You can even apologize for the confusion. That is what professionals do.

  138. marcelly December 20, 2009 at 5:43 pm #

    I’ll say one thing for etsy – they sure have managed to convince one hell of a lot of people of their own myth.

    never mind the QYDJ bullcrap, the day i was lucky enough and stable enough in my business to quit etsy was the happiest day of my fucking life.

    my only remaining puzzlement is why so many people still bother to set up shop there.

  139. handmadelove December 21, 2009 at 9:20 am #

    wjw. thepeachtree was on the fp 4x during the last 24 hours and she’s in two gift guides. is her jewelry really that special?

    i smell impropriety or etsy admin laughing at this issue.

    shame on anda for calling those who brought this complaint forward as birthday haters.

    is etsy a business or a high school clique. i am quite UNimpressed with Maria. she’d be fired from any legit company as would daniellexo. i wonder how long she lasted at amazon. i know they wouldn’t tolerate this shit.

  140. Dee December 21, 2009 at 9:36 am #

    wow, 4x in the last 24 hours? Do they think we aren’t watching still? I don’t care whether her jewelry is worth $5 or $500, no one should be on the FP that much in a day. No matter whether they are admin or user generated treasuries.

    Please tweet and share this blog post with your friends and team message boards. The more this gets brought to the top, the more people will be aware of this blatent favortism.

  141. handmadelove December 21, 2009 at 12:30 pm #

    Guess what – she’s on the FP again, now. that’s 5x in 24 hours.
    No matter how nice a seller’s product is – this is a little strange.

    And I just read that Rob Kalin is coming back as CEO and Maria is out. So any hope of dealing with these kinds of situations is gone.

    I need to rethink where I’m going to sell my work.

  142. Chantelle December 21, 2009 at 12:39 pm #

    handmadelove Says:

    And I just read that Rob Kalin is coming back as CEO and Maria is out. So any hope of dealing with these kinds of situations is gone.

    —-

    WTF? Where did you see this? Do the investors know this?

    Kalin returning is the worst possible option. Maria isn’t good enough as CEO ….. but at least she was an improvement over Rob. She herself doesn’t have favourite sellers like he did, and she doesn’t brag about how she cheated her way through her life. And she answers convoes.

    Etsy needs another Chad, who can get stuff done in a reasonable way and who appears to have ethics. The last thing it needs is Rob Kalin.

    I guess Kalin’s other venture failed, which isn’t much of a surprise given his laziness, immaturity, and unprofessionalism.

  143. Dee December 21, 2009 at 12:45 pm #

    The update about Rob is in the Storque.

    Yup, 5 times today. Here’s a link. Who to we complain to?

    http://www.craftcult.com/vault.php?fm=2&esn=thepeachtree&m=12&st=2&d=21&userid=

  144. The Crone December 21, 2009 at 12:56 pm #

    Etsy didn’t do the one up right now. That was done by a member and etsy just put up the treasury. So, why do the people making treasuries keep putting her in them. That’s one big way she is getting in them. People want their treasury on the front page so they put her in. Kind of shooting yourself in the foot. Then we complain she is on the front page.

  145. handmadelove December 21, 2009 at 1:15 pm #

    But a couple of the FP’s in the last 24 hours were from Etsy. Furthermore, there are tons of treasuries to choose from, so they don’t have to keep choosing the ones that she is in. So, I think the complaint is well founded.

    I saw the Rob thing in the Storque. I am just horrified. I really can’t believe it. I wonder if Etsy is for sale? It just doesn’t make any sense. He can’t run a business…..wjw.

    I have to say it again….wjw

    Maria was no bed of roses, but she was more mature and professional than Rob…

    well, I guess we can count on seeing thepeachtree 20x per day on the FP. She’s laughing all the way to the bank.

    Not meant to be a slam on the peachtree, just really a crazy situation.

    In my opinion – editorial comment – her work just does not impress me. I don’t mean to slam her. But when I peruse Etsy I see so much more beautiful work.

  146. The Crone December 22, 2009 at 1:38 am #

    This appears to be a self created problem. Stop putting her in all the treasuries. People keep doing that because they want their treasury to be on the front page. So just stop doing it or don’t complain about the results.

  147. WindyR December 22, 2009 at 4:48 am #

    I am not sure about that – sometimes member curated treasuries get put on the front page but with an item or two removed and swapped with something that the administration chooses. I am sure folks use popular sellers in their treasuries to help them make the front page, but I don’t think you can assume that this is always the reason that there are repeats on the FP.

  148. Dee December 22, 2009 at 11:19 am #

    I don’t agree with that Windy.

    Last week I checked and PeachTree was in 25 treasuries. Yesterday, she was still in 25ish treasuries.

    So members feed the favortism by including her so their lists might make the FP. Until members stop putting this particiular seller in their lists, the problem will continue unless Admin starts keeping track. And we know that won’t happen until there is a huge zinormous blow up about it.

  149. The Crone December 22, 2009 at 12:21 pm #

    If you keep putting her in treasuries you are part of the problem not part of the solution. You just can’t have this both ways.

  150. WindyR December 23, 2009 at 5:09 am #

    I think that I wasn’t quite clear in what I was trying to say – I agree with both Dee and The Crone – what I was getting at is I think that the administration makes the problem worse because they will sometimes put treasuries on the FP but remove an item they don’t like and put in one of their faves (I have seen multiple complaints about this in the forums by people both who have made treasuries that have been changed when they got put on the front page and by people whose items disappeared from a treasury once it hit the front page.) – so in addition to treasury makers stacking the deck in their favor for getting on the front page by including the administration favorites in their treasuries, those admin faves get even more exposure by having their items put into treasuries they weren’t even originally in.

    Bottom line – I have been reading this blog for a while and only recently started participating. I am really on the fence about etsy. I don’t sell a lot there – I have had very modest success. I probably could promote myself more – but I think that the paid showcases and the urges to constantly renew are a scam. I think the site is run with a lack of integrity – rules are applied to some while others get away with blatantly breaking the same rules. I am not confident that the changes in administration will bring any positive changes. I don’t rely on etsy for my primary income – it is a side business for me – but I pay my bill to etsy every month and feel like I am getting ripped off when I see the free advertising that some sellers get by the favoritism that is rampant on the site. And getting back to the original reason this thread started, the administration really needs to address the issues of favoritism. It really irks me when the etsy forum know it alls say that if you want success too all you have to do is take good pictures and promote on social sites. That’s pure BS and everyone knows it.

  151. Angel December 23, 2009 at 11:24 am #

    Treasury item swapping can sometimes be quite obvious. There are usually a few items that stick right out as not fitting right.

    One recently was particularily striking and had a screenprinted piece of fabric in an embroidery hoop in the original. Admin replaced it with a different seller selling something very similar (which didn’t fit the theme right and stuck out as being an admin replacement). I’m actually glad I took the time to look at the original treasury because I’ve since fallen in love with the work of that particular artist.

  152. uh-huh December 31, 2009 at 4:17 pm #

    DXO is highly visible in the Etsy forums recently. Today she was giving “helpful advice” (*snort*) and addressing some posts but she and HeyMichelle appear to have pointedly ignored a few other non-cupcakey “what about this?” posts. As subtle as a couple of fake-mustached bricks crashing through a windshield.
    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6390019

    (see also)
    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6389158

  153. The Crone January 2, 2010 at 2:07 am #

    I found that whole thread of DXO very disturbing. So many people dropped to their knees to thank her. I stopped reading when the nausea set in. I have never seen so much brown nosing going on. Hope she has a big ass because quite a few jumped up it.

  154. baffled January 2, 2010 at 9:46 am #

    … and still the peachy tag stuffers are consistently promoted on the FP.

  155. Megan Burchmann January 9, 2010 at 10:37 am #

    The link to that twitter page is a phising link… you might want to fix that… :/

  156. Amy February 26, 2010 at 6:25 am #

    Wow this is f#cking ridiculous. Such bad business. Makes me sick. I am completely disturbed by this

  157. Erin March 4, 2010 at 10:10 am #

    I think if a seller sends an etsy admin a product, it probably isn’t in their best interest to broad-cast it. That being said, I’m sure if this particular seller is continuously on the FP it will be immediately noticed since admin announced their received gift.

    I don’t think it’s ethical at all for a seller to send admin (considering the set-up of the site – FP features, storque/blog, etc… ) a product. As a seller, if I sent free items to admin, I would feel like I wasn’t earning my business honestly.

    Perhaps the seller and admin became friends – and that’s fantastic, but probably should be kept on the DL by all involved, otherwise, situations like this will arise in a group of business persons trying desperately to make a name for themselves and their companies.

  158. Sara March 4, 2010 at 10:15 am #

    Shes was picked by ETSY ADMIN to be in the front page today BACK TO BACK.

    One at 12est and then right after it as 12:30est.

    UNFAIR!!!

    She was on the Frontpage 14 times today so far. 5 Times etsy picked her.

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