Quick Links 1/1

1 Jan

http://www.etsy.com/shop/outletbisque
Demi’s Ceramic Outlet.
Pics are straight from the catalogs, with what might possibly be considered supplies all listed in Handmade.
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http://www.etsy.com/shop/giftbywish
Blog post that shows the “team”- http://giftbywish.blogspot.com/2009/09/giftbywish-team.html
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Thaimodish’s feedback:
http://www.etsy.com/feedback_public.php?user_id=7193319
“Disappointed to see that a label and tags have clearly been cut off this “hand made” dress.”

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22 Responses to “Quick Links 1/1”

  1. Yikes January 2, 2010 at 5:31 am #

    In terms of the first one, those pics are from the MAYCO and DUNCAN catalogs and are of the molds- this seller still has to pour the mold, so technically she is actually selling supplies & handmade. This is really typical in the paint your own pottery/ old school ceramics genre and another reason why “pottery” should be a different category than polymer clay and cast ceramics.

  2. Arty January 2, 2010 at 5:47 am #

    From Demi’s profile:

    Quality bisque at wholesale prices. All of my over 1200 designs are ready to be finished, 04 bisque. I specialize in personalized items for all occasions. I carry all of the latest designs and the best of the classics. I have it all just ask!!

    If that description doesn’t say reseller I don’t know what does.

    Also, I really wish Etsy were a bit more clear with their policy and rules regarding “collectives” and “employees” of Etsy shops because as it stands now-technically many of these
    “sweatshop-type” items being sold on Etsy are legit.

  3. JonhCocktoasten January 2, 2010 at 5:48 am #

    Check out this vintage seller:

    Tazo and Starbucks mugs, a LV knock-off and more!

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/vintageandnew

  4. Amy January 2, 2010 at 6:25 am #

    great shop name – vintage and new. lol.

  5. Kathy January 2, 2010 at 8:42 am #

    Eeewww! Vintage panties!
    http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=36746414

  6. Yada Yada January 2, 2010 at 8:57 am #

    Arty wrote:
    Quality bisque at wholesale prices. All of my over 1200 designs are ready to be finished, 04 bisque. I specialize in personalized items for all occasions. I carry all of the latest designs and the best of the classics. I have it all just ask!!

    If that description doesn’t say reseller I don’t know what does.

    Please explain how an item that can be personalized says reseller like nothing else.

    In ceramics-you take a mold and you cast it. People purchase it and then paint it–hobbyist & professionals alike.

    Because she has to actually pour the mold- a process that requires some skill and expertise–technically these pieces are considered handmade by the TOU, even though the majority of people will buy them as supplies, glaze them and finish them.

    I am with you on going after resellers. But this is not a case of reselling, and I think you need to be careful about screaming “reseller” Artsy, based on a profile: it is not uncommon for old school basement ceramicists to have 1000-1500 of molds.

    I’m with you on calling out the resellers, but it needs to be done responsibly–and if you are not very versed about the techniques & practices of a certain medium you need to use some caution. No offense intended.

  7. JonhCocktoasten January 2, 2010 at 10:51 am #

    This ceramics lady just has them mistagged. But who knows if she has permission to use the photos?

  8. JK January 2, 2010 at 10:58 am #

    If she’s pouring the unfinished pieces, why not show pictures of examples of her actual product instead of catalog scans? You’d think someone doing something that requires any expertise would take enough pride in what they do to go that extra step.

  9. Yada Yada January 2, 2010 at 12:40 pm #

    because white bisque is incredibly difficult to photograph and shows no detail. It is standard practices in ceramics to show how a mold might be finished off.

  10. JK January 2, 2010 at 1:14 pm #

    A quick search on Etsy under ‘u paint’ shows me lots of poured pieces photographed, and I can see detail in the thumbnails alone. Funny how it works for some people!

  11. Arty January 2, 2010 at 6:09 pm #

    JK-exactly what I was thinking-it’s really not that hard.

    Yada Yada-no offense taken☺but if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…well, you know.

  12. Arty January 2, 2010 at 6:31 pm #

    http://blog.stephaniejonsson.com/
    http://www.jamiesinz.com/category/handmade/
    http://www.magicsculpture.com/tutorials/venetianmasks.html
    http://lizsmithsceramics.blogspot.com/

    Just a few links to show some of the process of this type of work.

    I know the third link isn’t really considered a bisque (slip) mold pouring technique in the traditional sense, but I think its lovely and at least this artist shows us that she actually creates them herself.

  13. Yikes January 2, 2010 at 7:38 pm #

    o for gosh sakes you guys- she has zero sales. She’s lazy about her pictures. Arty- try looking for bigger fish instead of ducks 🙂

  14. Arty January 2, 2010 at 10:26 pm #

    Yikes….why are you so concerned about what I’m doing.

    This blog is called “ETSYCALLOUT” not “ETSYcallout leave Demi alone-she has zero sales.”

    I’m commenting on a post that the blog owner posted. I didn’t put the post here-the blog owner did-mabye you should take it up with them if its such a big deal for you.

    Chill out☺

  15. KR January 2, 2010 at 10:33 pm #

    If you scroll down (on the team page) and look at all the photos of ‘giftbywish’s’ studio it still seems like she is working under etsy rules. The studio look pretty funky and low tech. She’s got the ladies working for her, that’s for sure. But is this breaking etsy rules? I’m just asking. I don’t consider it truly handmade by one lone person. But a lot of sellers have hired help and I don’t mean just packing boxes either.

    Are these her original designs. Is she one of the ladies at the sewing machines? Does she do the handembroidery? I don’t know….just saying I think this stuff is allowed, but not sure.

  16. Yikes January 3, 2010 at 6:18 am #

    No offense intended to the owner of this blog or anyone who reads it- hopefully this will be my last post because I have a Brokeback thing going with you all, but really should move on.

    It seems to me that the most important service this blog provides, at its heart, is protection of Etsy sellers. When a reseller comes in and sells $4 items from China, it hurts the handmade craftsman who has to sell OAKs at ten times that much. I think this blog performs a noble and valuable service each time it calls out an obvious reseller, or encourages people to flag items that interfere with the search. I so get it. If I knew how to type a heart icon here I would.

    That said-if you believe that this blog is effective-then you must also know that this blog is a powerful and weighty responsibility. Personally, I think it’s at it’s absolute best when it focuses on an obvious reseller (with proof) who is appearing on the FP regularly. I don’t think the discussion of Demi’s shop, with zero sales, is ECO at its best. I think a balance can be walked between smiting the reseller giants who cause great harm and still supporting people who are trying to make a living at handmade. When this discussion goes after the little guy who has zero sales who is really not hurting any other crafters on Etsy, it detracts from the bigger mission imho, and plays right into the hands of people who say “don’t you people have anything better to do than complain etc. etc. etc.”

    I am drawn to this blog because there are some really intelligent people on it. However, I forget that sometimes people on it are just in love with a fight, and looking for drama. When there is no bigger enemy to fight against we often snark at each other. Add in the fact that you can impose a tone/attitude onto a post which was not intended by the author, and before you know it a discussion can turn aggressive on a dime.

    I am very chill Arty- I just disagree with you. I hope if I come back to ECO (what am I saying? of COURSE I will be back. i can’t quit you dammit) I hope we will have moved on from small potatoes and little ducks and that we are working together with a common goal to make etsy better for people who try to make a living at making things themselves–even if their pictures are bad.

  17. Bedazzled VONdom January 3, 2010 at 10:44 am #

    At the risk of being called a big, bad, old meany-mean-o name caller, (:::rolling eyes::) I have to say your argument is full of both holes and shit.

    The best time to “go after” resellers and blatant rule breakers is BEFORE they start making sales because we all know what happens once a reseller or blatant rule breaker starts making sales. They become ENTRENCHED, so to speak, and virtually impossible to pry loose. Follow the money, et al.

    P.S. I’m sorry you haven’t made any sales yet. *snort*

  18. Nobody Understands My Pain Either January 3, 2010 at 12:01 pm #

    KR –

    I definitely wouldn’t call her a reseller by the blog post alone – tht was just one red flag. The others are:

    http://www.giftbywish.com is registered to Kanjana Sutjaritjindanon. Kanjana Sutjaritjindanon is all over google search results as a Thailand exporter.

    I-am-cotton is one of the wholesalers that provides Giftbywish’s clothing

    http://www.cotton-gallery.com/

    It states “every piece of our clothes is handle with most care from our factory in Chiangmi to your hands all over the world. For wholesale price listing and any further inquiries, please feel free to contact us anytime at i-am-cotton@hotmail.com. For retail customers, please visit our dealer at GiftbyWish.com.”

    Giftbywish also has the exact same handmade items on every handmade site available to them.

  19. KR January 5, 2010 at 7:48 am #

    “Nobodyunderstands” thank you for clueing me in. I did not know any of that info….I definitely see what you mean now. Thank you so much!

  20. ohmeohmy January 5, 2010 at 5:55 pm #

    The shop http://thaimodish.etsy.com where one of the feedbacks said, ““Disappointed to see that a label and tags have clearly been cut off this “hand made” dress.”

    was featured in the storque: http://www.etsy.com/storque/spotlight/etsy-finds-green-with-envy-4699/

    Also, featured in tons of blogs including stylehive. They sell on Dwanda too. Have made many many sales on etsy.

  21. JajieBo January 10, 2010 at 2:40 pm #

    “giftbywish” was on the front page yesterday, again. 😦

  22. Flaggy October 19, 2010 at 3:40 pm #

    If you can’t access Cotton-galery because it is down go see there

    http://www.777designz.com/casestudy/iamcotton/en/aboutus.html

    This is terribly interesting. Giftbywish is EVERYWHERE NOW.

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