About.Com Article

17 Jan

Recapping a Year in Handmade – Etsy vs. Artfire and the Forum Uglies in Between

http://diyfashion.about.com/b/2010/01/15/recapping-a-year-in-handmade-etsy-vs-artfire-and-the-forum-uglies-in-between.htm

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143 Responses to “About.Com Article”

  1. Ya betcha January 17, 2010 at 4:07 pm #

    Well, where do we start? The author of this About.com article started a shop under the name Alluna. Alluna posted several threads in the forums spamming advertising in her blog day after day

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_search.php?search_query=alluna&search_type=forum_thread&page=1

    The earlier thread start at the bottom with later posts toward the top.

    Actually, all you have to do is read those threads to get the rundown to her meltdown. Sad, but she should have taken her own advice.

  2. Ya betcha January 17, 2010 at 4:19 pm #

    Here’s the one that exposed her ass.

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6338972

  3. resellersbegone January 17, 2010 at 4:21 pm #

    Well, that went down hill rather quickly, I will say!

  4. KR January 17, 2010 at 8:24 pm #

    Not sure I’m understanding- I haven’t been around here that long. So the OP was posted because there was something untrue about it? “Yabetcha” and “resellerbegone” are implying that she’s not someone to take seriously. So her article is bogus? Thank you for helping the clueless!

  5. Ya betcha January 17, 2010 at 8:41 pm #

    You have to read all the threads she started in the Etsy forum. She had several of them closed for being belligerent yet she blames other posters in her article. She was in fact the badly behaved brat she’s complaining about.

  6. resellersbegone January 17, 2010 at 9:03 pm #

    I was referring to the about.com blog and the way it went from a rather civilized conversational tone to a very confrontational one.

  7. Crazy Cat Lady January 17, 2010 at 9:12 pm #

    This person is paid by click; how many clicks are on her about.com articles. So she creates controversy. She posts crap, lies, and bullshit trying to rile people up and get on blogs (like this and PD’s blog, I guess) to get clicks and looky-loos to make money.

    She’s a disgusting bottom feeder.

    Really, does that type of article belong on about.com? It sounds like more of a personal bitch blog post to me. I thought about.com had some sort of integrity behind it.

  8. Crazy Cat Lady January 17, 2010 at 9:18 pm #

    Oh, this is what she sold on etsy, I think they were $2 a piece:

    http://www.etsy.com/shop_sold.php?user_id=5811119

    Check out her feedback too – she got a neut and a neg from the same buyer, saying the bracelet was broken in shipping. She then double negged the buyer back saying the buyer only paid 50c shipping, what did she expect? (and a bunch of other nasty crap) 0_o I don’t know why *anyone* would take this person’s “advice” on handmade anything. Especially when she seems more interested in forum drama than customer service!

  9. Ya betcha January 17, 2010 at 9:24 pm #

    Ms Loraine posts on a few blogs like the Examiner.com. I think we need to alert her readers to the author’s ethical standards in the comment sections.

  10. JonhCocktoasten January 18, 2010 at 5:02 am #

    Well, I refuse to give her a click. Not reading.

  11. JonhCocktoasten January 18, 2010 at 5:08 am #

    Shop full of non-vintage and counterfeit:

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/Twink27

  12. Aunt Deb January 18, 2010 at 6:55 am #

    Seems to me if you want to be taken seriously as someone wanting kinder, gentler forums on any site -then you dont
    get in bed with someone who has earned their fame but being the most outspoken, arguementative, & so proud of it, B*tch ever to grace those very forums!

    ..unless of course her only goal was to create a click on shit income! Then good job, hope About.com doesn’t mind being screwed.

  13. WTFISAPDF January 18, 2010 at 7:28 am #

    Sadly, no matter how snarky the author of that is, she brings out a valid point. I know quite a few people who won’t buy on Etsy anymore because of the whining (why no sales, where are the buyers) and hostile threads.

    Buyers only (me included) do read the forums and they can be a turn off. I want to buy from people who take pride in their craft, not from someone begging to unload their stuff.

    Snarkiness or know-it-all-ness concerns me as far as what to expect from the customer service I will get.

    I don’t think I’m in the minority either because I have talked to a lot of people who have stopped buying on Etsy.

  14. MadeByM**** January 18, 2010 at 8:03 am #

    I commented on her article and I agree with her, regardless of her behavior on the forums. Hey, at least she knows of what she speaks!

  15. MadeByM**** January 18, 2010 at 8:04 am #

    WTFISAPDF…….I agree with you whole-heartedly!

  16. Freckleyredhead January 18, 2010 at 8:05 am #

    Amazing how all you have to do is mention the Etsy or Artfire forums and people show up ready to fight.

  17. KR January 18, 2010 at 8:09 am #

    WTFISAPDF, I’m agreeing with you and that is why I was confused in my first comment here. I read her article not knowing she’s sort of a creep. Many of the things she writes about in the article I find to be true- sometimes. But then a few commenters put her down, basically saying to ignore the message because of the messenger. I guess she is writing out of bitterness and bitchiness, but I don’t think that lessens some of the truths.

  18. Crazy Cat Lady January 18, 2010 at 9:47 am #

    Does anyone who won’t buy on etsy because of the forums buy on ebay? Because their forums are so bad they actually encourage people to open “forum only” accounts so trolls won’t mess with your actual shop if you post something they don’t like. The etsy forums are pie compared to ebay.

    I can understand not buying from someone specifically if she’s acting like a jackass in the forums…there are certain people I won’t buy from because they’ve outed themselves as racists, etc. But many people I’ve bought from I’ve never seen in the forums. So no, I don’t understand denying them sales (or staying away from the whole venue) because of a forum.

  19. sasha January 18, 2010 at 10:27 am #

    Just read through some of that post where people said she was baiting… sure she got people talking, but she was asking about pricing. You all act like she was talking about killing babies. Also, the people on that thread went batshit crazy over it. Just didn’t seem like a big deal. Are they that desperate for a little excitement?

    I agree with the other comment here.. funny how everyone runs to defend etsy and artfire. You DO REALIZE that etsy and artfire exist to make money off of you, right? Its like going to war for McDonalds or Nike. I didn’t see her going after individual sellers. Please tell me what the big deal is here because I’m not seeing it!! I would like for someone to post her attack on individual sellers. I could care less about attacks on etsy. I don’t work for them and neither do you. You’re independent contractors, people. Let’s act like it.

  20. notvintage January 18, 2010 at 10:41 am #

    My customers don’t read the forums. I would hope they are out making money so that they can afford to buy my stuff!

  21. sasha January 18, 2010 at 11:03 am #

    “Crazy Cat Lady”, is this the negative feedback she left? This was the worst I could find, and it sounds quite typical:

    ‘Gave me bad feedback on a bracelet because it was damaged in the mail. She paid only .50 shipping for me to mail it, then complains when it wasn’t packaged in a box! I ended up spending more than a dollar to mail it USPS. The bubble mailer also cost money to buy. Give me a BREAK! Didn’t discuss it with me, just left bad feedback. Be sure to hand deliver to this buyer.’

    Again, sounds typical. I think I am missing the nasty feedback you are talking about. Was it on etsy??

  22. Life During Wartime January 18, 2010 at 11:28 am #

    I’m a buyer only, and I don’t judge all the sellers on the site by some of the ‘mean girl’ behavior in the forums. However, I do click on the shop of posters I find offensive in the forums so I can associate them with their shops and not buy from them. It’s self-defeating to reject an entire site of shops for the silly postings of a few.

  23. Angel January 18, 2010 at 1:35 pm #

    The times I’ve popped into the forums I get the impression it is less collective of shops and more high school washroom.

    Perhaps it is different for me reading the threads and opinion pieces on About.com of the woman in question, but the only people I view as having “meltdowns” are the commenters. For me, as a reader, it only serves to demonstrate the behaviour she is describing.

    Also? If I were getting paid per click, I’d link to all the hot-button issues in hopes of getting more traffic. Just because she is shamelessly exploiting that, and driving traffic her way, does not render her points invalid. It proves her point.

  24. forum rubbernecker January 18, 2010 at 1:37 pm #

    I would imagine she’s quite angry. She was a loser of a seller, who couldn’t sell, well, literally, garbage, at a low price. So naturally she blames people who sell more expensive stuff. And then she starts a ranting thread about it under the guise of a discussion, so that she can earn money with clicks, because she sure as hell doesn’t earn it from her artistic or writing skills.

    To me, that spells L-O-S-E-R.

  25. Kirsi January 18, 2010 at 2:12 pm #

    sasha Says:
    January 18, 2010 at 11:03 am

    “…Again, sounds typical. I think I am missing the nasty feedback you are talking about. Was it on etsy??”

    Seriously? You think it’s typical to leave your customers negative feedback, because they made a ligit complaint? Wow. Or are you trying to imply that this is standard practise on Etsy?

  26. WTFISAPDF January 18, 2010 at 2:40 pm #

    The times I’ve popped into the forums I get the impression it is less collective of shops and more high school washroom.

    @Angel- that sums it up.

    I don’t shop on Ebay. I think I am more put off by the willingness of some sellers on Etsy to practically give something away just to get a sale. When I support the “handmade” movement, I expect an artist to value their work. Everytime I’ve gone to the forums, I’ve seen many threads of sellers begging for sales or “where are all the buyers” type posts.

    I think the “begging” mentality gives all the legit artists a black eye because the average buyer who ventures to Etsy once in a while and isn’t familiar with the day to day Etsy-ism may only see the cries for customers. Some of the posts wreak of greed.

    But then again, I need a good slap in the jaw. Did I use Etsy and handmade in the same sentence? Shame on me.

  27. notvintage January 18, 2010 at 3:11 pm #

    All I want to do is sell my shit; I don’t care about all this brouhaha and backbiting, or the forums. Just give me a site that does what it is supposed to do.

  28. suspicious crab January 18, 2010 at 4:54 pm #

    “She paid only .50 shipping for me to mail it”

    Um….because that’s how much you charged her???

    Alluna makes it sound as if the buyer picked the sum of fifty cents out of thin air and forced her to mail it for that. Next time, charge more, and package your pieces correctly. My god.

  29. whoaaaa January 18, 2010 at 5:16 pm #

    I found her article to be pretty irresponsible. It was extremely biased and pretty much a bitch fest, not at all professional for about.com standards. I think she is definitely lacking in journalistic integity and simply writes to get “clicks”, since that’s how she’s paid.

  30. whoaaaa January 18, 2010 at 5:17 pm #

    This is the second article I have read that bashes etsy in some form or another. The other article was titled “Does etsy suck?”

    I won’t waste my time any further reading her crap and putting money in her pockets.

  31. Crazy Cat Lady January 18, 2010 at 5:47 pm #

    sasha, you really think it’s typical to under price for shipping, then ship so the item arrives to the buyer damaged, and when the buyer is upset, neg the buyer because she paid the amount of shipping YOU told her to pay and whine about it? Wow. I don’t charge a lot for shipping but I DO charge enough to cover the actual shipping charge, an envelope, and a box so my items get to the buyer undamaged.

    Again…if you think that’s typical I hope you run into some better sellers, seriously.

  32. notvintage January 18, 2010 at 7:16 pm #

    Something goes wrong, I take the hit and happily. That’s what you do!

  33. suspicious crab January 18, 2010 at 11:03 pm #

    “Something goes wrong, I take the hit and happily. That’s what you do!”

    Yep. This new trend of retaliatory negs for buyers who aren’t happy is really disturbing.

  34. pussdaddy January 19, 2010 at 2:30 am #

    Her forum threads have nothing to do with whether or not her articles have basis in fact. They only go to prove that she used the wrong approach the first time, admitted it several times, and moved on. I smell a bunch of disgruntled Bitches on this thread. You stink.

    PussDaddy

  35. pussdaddy January 19, 2010 at 2:32 am #

    I would suggest reading my blog for a better understanding of the whole thing. I am also not sure when it became a crime to promo in the forum, even if it is your blog. People do it every day for their own reasons-so people look at their blog, to give stuff away on their blog, to promote their own stuff on their blog, or to even promote other people’s stuff on their blog. I bet many who are bitching about Alluna or whoever doing it have done it themselves.

    PussDaddy

  36. pussdaddy January 19, 2010 at 2:38 am #

    Also that you have resorted to ripping apart every word she has ever uttered on a forum along with what she sold in her shop and any negs and neutrals she may or not have is typical of you busybodies. Don’t you think it’s about time to whip out the screenshots now?

    PussDaddy

  37. pussdaddy January 19, 2010 at 2:45 am #

    The Bitches wanted this article down so badly because Cranky Bitch was esposed by moi as a blatant liar there that one of them who outed themself on a CNN Money article and then over on the Etsy Bitch thread about it, coming right out and saying her name and how proud she is to be the face of Etsy bitch, and also doing the same on my own blog, well she is claiming to be getting death threats now. I suspect it is simply to get that article taken down because like I said it exposed Cranky as a liar and also two of the Bitch’s names. How can you advertise your name all over aticles and blogs then claim invasion of privacy when some one mentions your name that you yourself gave them? I suspect the death threat crap is all a bunch of drama to have this article taken down like I said, because if anyone was going to get death threat it would be me with my big fat mouth and it hasn’t happened and abot 800 sellers on Etsy have my name and address and I am sure at least a few of them would come up off of it if asked.

    PussDaddy

  38. pussdaddy January 19, 2010 at 2:49 am #

    Also, it has been proven, also by moi, that at least some of the Etsy Bitch’s got artfire shops for life-you can check that out on my blog as well, and they received money from ArtFire when artfire placed ads there. Who knows what other perks they get from all the places they profile as alternative places to sell there. So if anyone wants to talk about some one having an alternative motive like fricking pay per clicks, maybe you should look to your very own Etsy Bitches because if you notice Cranky Bitch said on that article that they only cared if ArtFire’s check cashed.

    PussDaddy

  39. pussdaddy January 19, 2010 at 2:54 am #

    And yes I know I am making lots of posts, but as I understand it that crap shop you guys are talking about actually sold stuff made by this article writer’s kids if I remember correctly her telling me that. But I know you people are not above bashing kids and their artistic efforts just like you do every one else.

    PussDaddy

  40. pussdaddy January 19, 2010 at 3:08 am #

    Also crazy cat lady is sleepingcatbeads, and she spends most of her time posting her vitrolic blather all over the internet herself in various names and is bipolar and has said so on my blog
    http://pussdaddyblogs.blogspot.com/2009/10/see-nutmegclick-troll-internet-looking_25.html#comments
    not that a person should be blamed for being mentally ill, I’m just throwing it in there because if it were me they would be all over it like stink on shit, but anywho like I said she posts all over the internet in lots of different names then wants to say that people like myself who use the same username all the time are the trolls. She’d do better to keep her own cat shit scraped up into one tiny pile if you ask me instead of sticking her nose into so many other people’s litter boxes because IMHO she comes off as a bit of a wackadoodle.

    PussDaddy

  41. pussdaddy January 19, 2010 at 3:16 am #

    I mean the wacko even defended nutmegclick and her scamming ass, so if people are going to be ripped apart here I say let’s make everyone fair game and rip everyone apart for every damn thing they ever said on the internet at one time or another and the stuff they posted when they posted it and let’s hold them to it forever with thread links and screen shots of it and refuse to let them change their minds, their stance, their opinion, or outlook or anything and let’s just keep throwing it all back up in their face. This is why so many people end up on my own damn blog having it done to them-because they fucking deserve it.

    PussDaddy

  42. pussdaddy January 19, 2010 at 4:41 am #

    And don’t make me laugh, if any of you did get a neutral or a neg you would probably run right to the forum and start a thread whinig about it, or start a blog to whine about it, and neg or neutral the person back so they would kiss and make the hell up because you know damn good and well that no one every thinks they deserved the bad feedback they got. You’re not fooling anyone.

    PussDaddy

  43. JonhCocktoasten January 19, 2010 at 5:00 am #

    OMG Check out this monstrosity of a shop:

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/fancies4nancy

  44. JoJo January 19, 2010 at 5:57 am #

    Hey, JonhCocktoasten , after visiting the link you provided, I feel so INSPIRED! LOL

  45. MadeByM**** January 19, 2010 at 6:22 am #

    Flagged it, but will it do any good? What a bunch of crap!

  46. Crazy Cat Lady January 19, 2010 at 6:47 am #

    PD? You’re coming across as unhinged. I take meds for my bipolar. What are you doing? I post under this name, and yes, that is my shop. I hardly think having one posting name (that I’ve had for years on other blogs/message boards) and a different shop name is odd/cause for you to bring up my bipolar. At least I don’t post to myself over and over again. I defended Nutmeg’s right to post nudie pics of herself – not her scamming. Two separate issues.

  47. uh-huh January 19, 2010 at 6:55 am #

    I just flagged the “inspired” shop several times, too, whilst trying not to vomit on myself. If they don’t remove that shit, I have no hope for Etsy.

  48. Em January 19, 2010 at 6:56 am #

    Etsy just needs to screen for resellers by looking for shops with their descriptions in all caps. Seems like 80% of the resellers I see feel the need to yell at their buyers.

  49. MadeByM**** January 19, 2010 at 7:14 am #

    Etsy needs to get on the ball regarding resellers real quick…..or they’re going to have a mutiny on their hands!!! But I know that won’t bother them because they have all the new sellers standing in line to get in!

  50. RocksInMySocks January 19, 2010 at 7:19 am #

    Puss, you do some good things for the Etst community and I have respect for your desire to call it as you see it. But, this seller did leave retalitory feedback for her buyers who received damaged merchandise that wasn’t shipped or packed the way it should have been. I also didn’t see where the bracelets in question were made by children.

    As a seller, I have an obligation to pack and ship so that the customer receives their items safely. If I choose to charge a ridiculous amount of 50 cents for shipping, that doesn’t let me off the hook as far as my responsibility to the buyer goes.

    I agree with some of the points this woman made in her article but I believe she’s also a crappy seller who has no idea what good customer service is about. In my opinion, that hurts her credibility somewhat.

    Here’s a link so you can see the feedback and items sold:

    http://www.etsy.com/shop_sold.php?user_id=5811119

  51. RocksInMySocks January 19, 2010 at 7:30 am #

    FancyNancy’s shit shop was just flagged! WTF is wrong with Etsy? They have to start screening before a shop can go live. There’s no other way to stop crap like this from happening. Every Ebay reseller out there seems to be migrating over to Etsy. So sick of it all.

  52. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 7:34 am #

    You also post under at least one other name over at Etsy Bitch, I forget what but it would be the equvilant of me using my name Pam, and it was you who said you have lots of online personalities in the comment section of my link I posted, sleepingcatsbeads crazycatlady, whatever.

    PussDaddy

  53. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 7:41 am #

    Was 5o cents the norm she had on her listings to ship stuff? Did the buyer complain about having to pay shipping for a paper bracelet so she lowered it for her and then she bitched about it not being in a box or something?

  54. RocksInMySocks January 19, 2010 at 7:46 am #

    Puss, it looks like she left the same feedback for 2 separate buyers. I doubt they both insisted that they pay only 50 cents for shipping. I’ve never seen anything fragile on Etsy that ships for 50 cents. But, if a seller does agree to that, they’re still responsible to pack it well. Lots of sellers offer free shipping (not me) and they still get the items to the buyers in a responsible manner.

  55. RocksInMySocks January 19, 2010 at 7:48 am #

    Woops, the 2 retalitory feedbacks were for the same buyer. The buyer left a negative and a neutral and the seller responded with 2 negatives.

  56. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 7:55 am #

    If the shipping was only 50 cents and the buyer saw that before buying did the buyer expect to receive this encased in concrete? I mean honestly, we don’t know anything about the damn transaction. I mean it is one thing to bitch about stuff that is blatantly apparent for the most part but I never could stand how you sellers are so quick to gang bang each other and rip each other apart.

  57. creative soaps January 19, 2010 at 7:56 am #

    I am unfamiliar with the etsy bitch thing. Is this part of it? It links there but not so nice.

    Antsybitch.blogspot.com

  58. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 7:59 am #

    Take me for example, I am pretty nasty on my blog, but most of it is pretty apparent that either the damn seller has 53 negs and 45 netruals, or the seller came to the forum bitching about a buyer, or seller went beserk and had a meltdown, or the seller has a long history of retaliatory feedback or whatever. I don’t just say seller JoeBlow got a neg today let’s rip him apart discussing it.

  59. Crazy Cat Lady January 19, 2010 at 7:59 am #

    No PD, I’m also Crazy Cat Lady on EB and CT.

    And wow, usually you’re on the buyers side. So if a seller offers free shipping, should the seller just toss the item out her door and hope for the best? Because the buyer didn’t pay anything to ship it, you know.

  60. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 8:02 am #

    The antsybitch looks like the bleatinggoat having to put her two cents in again IMHO.

    PussDaddy

  61. caitlin January 19, 2010 at 8:05 am #

    Hello, I received a pm on my etsy about this site. I did not realize that this was

  62. jenn January 19, 2010 at 8:08 am #

    As a buyer, the Alluna shop is one that I would stay away from because of her retaliatory feedback. Her attitude about her buyers also gives her article less credibility (to me) as it shows her to be just as petty and bitchy as the sellers in the forums she complains about.

    I’ve read your blog regarding this issue, Puss, and I stand by my feelings about it. Perhaps she lied to you about her kids making the bracelets, because she doesn’t disclose that in the listings that I saw. In the Uno bracelet description, for example, she said that it was handmade by HER, no mention of children making it.

    And honestly Puss, to personally attack sleepingcat with stuff that is completely irrelevant to this post is pretty low, IMHO.

  63. uh-huh January 19, 2010 at 8:16 am #

    Bitching at a buyer (who expects to receive their item intact) with a negative feedback saying “what’dya expect for 50c shipping?” is just i.n.s.a.n.e.

  64. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 8:16 am #

    I suppose you missed her own bullshit on my blog? Spare me the lecture. She a nut. Pure and simple. And a “former nympho” too which is just a fancy word for slut.

    Now, back to pay per clicking. Who gives a shit if she gets paid by the click? This is what she does for a living. And it takes time to write what she writes. Her site has useful info on it. At least she isn’t out robbing old ladies and shit. Maybe you think she doesn’t do her job well. By the same token maybe what you do to make your living you are not so great at either and people think you do a crappy job of it too and it doesn’t belong on the internet either.

  65. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 8:19 am #

    WEll then maybe I am somewhat smarter than most buyers as I would expect something I paid 50 cents to ship to be shoved into a letter envelope, licked, sealed, stamped, and sent on it’s merry way.

  66. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 8:24 am #

    Like you said crazyasscat “it’s a link lady get over it”

    PussDaddy

  67. uh-huh January 19, 2010 at 8:24 am #

    so, if you buy something with free shipping do you expect to not get it at all?
    Puss I usually agree with you but not on this issue.

  68. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 8:28 am #

    No, I expect that shipping costs are built in. But I am also not a dumbass and would have said wow this is a paper bracelet and I am worried about it getting to me in good shape and considering I am paying 50 cents for shipping maybe I better check to see if it is in a box or not so it doesn’t get squished. I have contacted sellers before to make sure of this very thing before I bought something.

  69. Crazy Cat Lady January 19, 2010 at 8:37 am #

    Thanks Jenn, but it’s okay…I have no clue why PD decided to go apeshit on me here. But hey, since she outed me perhaps I’ll get some traffic to my shop, lol.

  70. caitlin January 19, 2010 at 8:39 am #

    Got a message on etsy about this site. This seller did not need to leave bad feedback! She said I could do .50 or 1.50, but the bracelet was maybe like 3.dollrs. Wtf. You would choose 50 to. Why would I pay more if I didnt have to??? Should be packaged the same. Duhh the bubbl envelope was crushed almost flat.
    Should ta ke bad feedbacks better. There was a bracelet in ther that ididnt eve mn want, I only olrdered too and didn’t ask for a an extra that only smashed into the others. Does not know whatshes doing.

    Um the customer is ALWAYS right I should know cause we own our one business. Can I report her for that??? Should have a cancelled account and I don’t buy from etsy now.also spammd me in messages asking questions.can’t she jsut send the bracelets? Now I read that artcle and now what kind of person.she. is. Reporting her.

  71. RocksInMySocks January 19, 2010 at 8:39 am #

    On a happy note, FancyNancy’s shit shop is gone!!! Thanks to all the flaggers!

  72. caitlin January 19, 2010 at 8:42 am #

    That shop is not open how do I post the report? The isn’t a button for it????Help please

  73. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 8:43 am #

    By the same token I have no idea why the crazycat went psycho on my blog either when it was none of her fucking business, but she did.

  74. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 8:54 am #

    caitlin the time to do it if you were so concerned probably would have been about 6 months ago. I am sorry it happened but it’s too late to do anything about it now.

  75. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 8:57 am #

    Good Lord, whoever PM’d caitlin and got her all riled up over this $3 bracelet I hope you are happy with your behind the scenes busy body convo’ing ass is all I can say.

  76. Amy January 19, 2010 at 8:58 am #

    Anyone seen this thread?
    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6409645&page=1

    They are talking about this shop:
    http://www.haloheaven.com/

    There seem to be many offending shops passing this stuff off as handmade.

    This shop is full of s**t:
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/chrissycreations
    pages and pages of non handmade jewellery, tutus etc etc

  77. caitlin January 19, 2010 at 9:04 am #

    Um whatever and my name is spelled caitlyn. If everybody is here talkin aboutwhat I buy I can talk here. I am figuring out how to report. You guys are right and this is a bad seller.

  78. WheelsontheBus January 19, 2010 at 9:08 am #

    Puss , I don’t care for your posting personality but I have never commented until this blog. You don’t need to tell me you dont give a rat’s ass about me or my opinion, I am keenly aware that you “say” you don’t care about other people’s opinions,
    but, I am very concerned about you and what appears to be a complete meltdown please take some time and get your head together.

    I dont care who’s right or wrong on the issue of About.com or The Bitches or even Etsy , Crazy Cat lady isn’t the one who is acting nutty here, it’s you.

  79. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 9:10 am #

    You do not need to be concerned for me but thanks anyway wheels.

  80. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 9:11 am #

    I am on the way out to Gordman’s right now anyway. I would say it was “something unexpected” but it wasn’t.

  81. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 9:16 am #

    Oh before I go, you might want to contact the FCC, or the CIA, or the FBI too and report this crime of the century.

  82. la di dah January 19, 2010 at 9:20 am #

    “Also that you have resorted to ripping apart every word she has ever uttered on a forum along with what she sold in her shop and any negs and neutrals she may or not have is typical of you busybodies.” – PussDaddy

    “I hate some of you busy body in every one’s business” – PussDaddy

    What lovely irony.

  83. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 9:28 am #

    When is the last time you saw me post OMG so and so got negged today or neutraled today when the person did not have a slew of bad feedback? Do you think I report evey neg and neutral handed out on Etsy? Only you people keep track of stuff like that.

  84. Peach January 19, 2010 at 9:30 am #

    On the FP right now: http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=38343171&ref=fp_feat_9

    I have that same pendant.. its from A.C. Moore as I remember it cost $4.99 it takes such skill to put a chain on it.

  85. JonhCocktoasten January 19, 2010 at 9:30 am #

    FancyNancy’s account is gone but all of her listings are still showing up in search. ETSY FAIL.

  86. JonhCocktoasten January 19, 2010 at 9:31 am #

    Peach, sadly that qualifies as handmade under etsy’s rules.

  87. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 9:39 am #

    However, I also got word that her editor is taking the article down because of you crazy bitches so at least that should make you happy. I wouldn’t take it down if it were me. I own what I say, but that is their decision.

  88. Whattha? January 19, 2010 at 9:59 am #

    Peach Says:
    January 19, 2010 at 9:30 am
    On the FP right now: http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=38343171&ref=fp_feat_9

    I have that same pendant.. its from A.C. Moore as I remember it cost $4.99 it takes such skill to put a chain on it.

    __________________________________________________________

    Don’t be a hater Peach, believe it or not some people prefer simple jewelry.

  89. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 10:44 am #

    Oh, yeah, before I leave I wanted to say that I did send a link to this thread to caitlyn, as I find it odd she doesn’t know how to spell her own name. Off to Gordman’s I go now.

  90. la di dah January 19, 2010 at 10:49 am #

    Huh? You sent her the link that notified her about this? Then why did you say “Good Lord, whoever PM’d caitlin and got her all riled up over this $3 bracelet I hope you are happy with your behind the scenes busy body convo’ing ass is all I can say” upthread?

  91. The Clack House January 19, 2010 at 11:10 am #

    Can’t help but post..I think this and all the other blogs expecially PD’s is funny as shit. I really could give a ratt’s a$$ about any of the peeps in question, but since I’m a bored stay-at-home mom, I won’t deny it one bit that this and the other blogs do keep me entertained while the kiddo’s are down for a nap. =) LMAO

    *bookmarked, subscribed & following

  92. Freckleyredhead January 19, 2010 at 11:23 am #

    Ummmm guys, gals, and kitties, can we get back to the purpose of this blog now – calling out resellers?

    kthxbye!

  93. MadeByM**** January 19, 2010 at 11:52 am #

    RocksInMySocks Says:
    January 19, 2010 at 8:39 am
    On a happy note, FancyNancy’s shit shop is gone!!! Thanks to all the flaggers!

    ********************************************

    Awesome!

    (Aww, but where am I going to buy used disposable lighters now?………………)

  94. MadeByM**** January 19, 2010 at 11:58 am #

    Freckleyredhead Says:
    January 19, 2010 at 11:23 am
    Ummmm guys, gals, and kitties, can we get back to the purpose of this blog now – calling out resellers?

    kthxbye!

    ************************

    What she said!

  95. MadeByM**** January 19, 2010 at 12:02 pm #

    Looks like the about.com article is now gone………..and all she was reporting was what it is like in the forums as witnessed on here and the article comments the last two days………

  96. ohmeohmy January 19, 2010 at 12:10 pm #

    I couldn’t click on the comments from her about.com article. Maybe they locked it?

  97. ohmeohmy January 19, 2010 at 12:22 pm #

    She’s a very unprofessional writer. In a good article, you provide both viewpoints, then it’s optional but you can add your own, as the writer, but you always kept it respectable.

    Her article was one-sided and came across as very bitter and catty. I don’t think she will be in the writing profession for long. She seems to enjoy being contraversial, I guess to pull in readers. So greed overtakes ethics.

    It doesn’t seem fair that about.com keeps the article up but locks the comments, thus dis-allowing people to express their opinions of such an article.

  98. ohmeohmy January 19, 2010 at 12:23 pm #

    madebym*****

    The article is still there but below the Haiti article.

  99. la di dah January 19, 2010 at 12:38 pm #

    A biased article with a very obvious agenda. Not professional at all.

    Just like her shop.

  100. MadeByM**** January 19, 2010 at 1:09 pm #

    Ohh, guess I didn’t scan down far enough.

    Some of the people that commented and/or were talked about “here” are commenting in a thread about stirring the pot over “there”. The pot calling the kettle black?

  101. good lord January 19, 2010 at 1:22 pm #

    103 comments to this post.
    32 of them made by PussDaddy.

  102. JonhCocktoasten January 19, 2010 at 1:39 pm #

    Where do I start?

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/lynnjulian

  103. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 2:00 pm #

    That buyer hasn’t done anything with her account since o7/23/2009 which is the date of her last feedback, and they are going to say she was just hanging there waiting to talk on this thread at a moment’s notice? I think it is a damn shame to use someone else’s name like that to speak in a public forum, and once again all I can do is point out that the trolls call ME the troll. Unbelievable that sellers would do that to a buyer and it is no wonder you bitches don’t use your real names to post, unlike some of us who don’t have to worry about it.

    PussDaddy

  104. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 2:04 pm #

    I posted that link on twitter so every one will bitch slap it. The last one was taken down in about 5 minutes.

  105. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 2:08 pm #

    34

  106. JonhCocktoasten January 19, 2010 at 2:27 pm #

    Thanks PD.

  107. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 2:27 pm #

    I advised her that I would not take it down, that I would just suck up and take whatever came to me over it, and that if she did take it down she would losed credibility and never be able to post about Etsy again, but that I could understand not wanting to deal with you psycho bitches either.

  108. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 2:29 pm #

    losed was a typo # 37

  109. MadeByM**** January 19, 2010 at 2:40 pm #

    JonhCocktoasten Says:
    January 19, 2010 at 1:39 pm
    Where do I start?

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/lynnjulian

    ******************************************

    Flagged! We will see!

  110. MadeByM**** January 19, 2010 at 2:51 pm #

    This is from their Facebook page: note who makes the chokers….

    http://Velvetchokers.comCompany Overview:Welcome to Velvet Chokers, home of “wearable works of art!”TM Our company sells custom chokers & belly chain belts, retail & wholesale. You can buy 1 or 1001 Custom Chokers, Bracelets or Belts! They make wonderfully unique personalized gifts that will leave a good impression on your recipients. We’re a small company who pays great attention to customer service and detailed craftmanship in each of our 100s of handmade jewelry items. We employ a handful of people in our local office for small orders, and employ others out of state for larger orders. Velvet chokers is proudly in business since 1998, having successfully filled 1000’s of orders for as many happy customers in over a dozen countries. We do NOT use machines to make our custom, designer jewelry pieces. Each is handmade with pride. We do NOT employ auto-responders to answer customer questions. Each email is read by a live person and each response is crafted specifically based on the customer’s needs. We pride ourselves in old fashioned customer service and quality products! (read less)
    Welcome to Velvet Chokers, home of “wearable works of art!”TM Our company sells custom chokers & belly chain belts, retail & wholesale. You can buy 1 or 1001 Custom Chokers, Bracelets or Belts! They make wonderfully unique personalized gifts that will leave a good impression on your recipients. We’re a small company who pays great attention to customer service and detailed craftmanship in each of our 100s of handmade jewelry items. We employ a handful of people in our local office for small… (read more)Mission:Create “wearable works of art”TM for our customers

  111. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 4:24 pm #

    Well evidently admin has to now recover from the rigorous ordeal of lifting their fricking finger and clicking a mouse, so today all we get is one reseller removed.

  112. ohmeohmy January 19, 2010 at 4:58 pm #

    Pussdaddy,

    I think you have it wrong. There are no etsy bitches on this blog, just people flagging blantant resellers.

    The etsy bitches have a completely different addy. If your gripe is with them, perhaps you might want to direct your anger towards them, as opposed to us sellers who are just trying to clean up etsy.

  113. WELL DUH January 19, 2010 at 5:11 pm #

    Pussdaddy,

    I think you have it wrong. There are no etsy bitches on this blog, just people flagging blantant resellers.

    The etsy bitches have a completely different addy. If your gripe is with them, perhaps you might want to direct your anger towards them, as opposed to us sellers who are just trying to clean up etsy.
    _________

    she’s not allowed to post there. I’m surprised you guys let her.

  114. resellersbegone January 19, 2010 at 6:17 pm #

    There are some lengthy threads in the forum now about this mess, and this one in particular asks some very pointed questions, which have not been answered, even though Rob has posted twice.

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6410014

    I really am not holding out any hope for a change, or a booting of these shops, too much $$$$ coming in…one I saw today for the first time has been there since 2008. Do we really think they are going to kill the cash cows in our midst?

  115. notvintage January 19, 2010 at 7:23 pm #

    Agree: If I want to read her rants I’ll read her blog.

  116. WheelsontheBus January 19, 2010 at 7:28 pm #

    I wish I could do, WJW, in braille on the internet.

    For the hopelessly blind.

  117. Hmm! January 19, 2010 at 7:39 pm #

    It looks like her article was preserved in the link preview pop up. What a poorly written article anyway – it’s hardly objective and meant to be sensational.
    ——————————-
    *
    * RSS: Recapping a Year in Handmade …
    * go to link

    on About.com DIY Fashion
    4 days ago
    So far the score on the handmade front is that Etsy is doing a terrible job at regulating hordes of resellers (much to the malcontent of honest hand craftery), and Artfire is apparently the hand up the Etsy Bitch backside (A site dedicated to pointing out Etsy’s faults). Even if the Etsy Bitch site is calling out valid points against Etsy payment debacles and preferential treatment, it is now clear that an Artfire incentive is fueling the fire. At this point, Etsy Bitch is like taking advice from Coke about the taste of Pepsi.

    Unfortunately, the mud slinging isn’t confined to the corporations.

    In the forums on both sites, casual spare-time crafters come head-to-head with serious artists managing full-fledged crafting businesses. While there are helpful posts here and there, the poison behind some shopkeepers is laid out for any potential buyer to see. Not to mention a healthy sprinkling of vicious forum cliques who post insults like it’s their day job. Artfire, which had touted free-for-all forums in the past, had to implement forum moderation in November due to the excessive bullying. Etsy, meanwhile, so strictly monitors posts that whole sites have dedicated themselves to keeping track of mutes and terminated threads. Note: While I understand that all forums have their trolls, it is a whole other thing to troll it up where you are also trying to do business.

    Make no mistake: buyers can see all of this, and are taking note. Sellers are repeatedly dealing with competition from mass produced goods on the front page. The struggle for business between Artfire and Etsy is heating up in an ugly way, becoming quite public on the blog scene. The forums at both sites are a constant source of malcontent, and in the midst of it all, Etsy is getting more national media attention and the Regretsy lady has decided to come out with a book. What a sensationalist mess. Remember when it was really exciting to connect with other handmade artists online?

    It is simply fantastic that buyers and sellers have been able to move past the Ebay scenario and into sites with whole communities that have an appreciation for handmade. One reason people buy handmade, however, is to support a person. When handmade goods are surrounded with ugliness from both the site and the sellers, buyers and sellers both get fed up. At this rate, it’s only a matter of time before the community moves on, and Etsy and Artfire become akin to MySpace. This would really be a shame, since there are so many great artists out there that should be getting their fair shake.

    For now, avoid the corporate gossip and acrid forums in both places for a little while. Breathe in some untainted handmade goodies over at an alternative shop like 1000 Markets or Shop Handmade. Think of it as visiting the mall one town over where they have a different smoothie place and you won’t run into your ex.

    Are you a seller, buyer or both? Are you tired of the Etsy/Artifre ugliness, or do you remain unaffected? Should we just sweep this nonsense under the rug and buy some owls in cowls?

  118. RocksInMySocks January 19, 2010 at 8:08 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/minah1221

    This shop was just featured on Regretsy! Lovely imported crap in every listing.

  119. Life During Wartime January 19, 2010 at 9:52 pm #

    minah1221 just opened less than a month ago, and already their shop seems to be catching on. They are making sales.

    I wonder what is ‘vintage’ about the items tagged as vintage . Did she find a pile of 20+ year old leather and use it to make her bags?

  120. PussDaddy January 19, 2010 at 11:21 pm #

    Eviently I am allowed to post here as I have been doing it for some time now. Are you going to try to run this blog too?

  121. Angel January 20, 2010 at 12:12 am #

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/giftsofindia

    The cushion covers are pretty common to see in wholesale shops….they even come in awesome different colours (which is totally handy for alchemy requests, am I right?):

    http://www.exoticindiacollection.com/servlet/the-4426/Cushion-Covers%2C-silk-Cushion/Detail

    http://www.exoticindiacollection.com/servlet/the-17/Cushion-Covers%2C-Sofa-Cushion/Detail

    You can pretty much go into google and type in “indian decorative pillow brocade” and see them everywhere.

  122. MadeByM**** January 20, 2010 at 6:13 am #

    Between here and Regretsy and flagging, the imported purses are gone (for now, anyway)! Yipee!

  123. JonhCocktoasten January 20, 2010 at 8:47 am #

    Hooray!

  124. WELL DUH January 20, 2010 at 10:18 am #

    Eviently I am allowed to post here as I have been doing it for some time now. Are you going to try to run this blog too?
    _______

    No. I just see you like a whore with STD, most normal people wouldn’t want to get in bed with you for fear of infection.

  125. Angel January 20, 2010 at 10:59 am #

    For fucks sake, act like adults. Specifically adults that interact with other human beings in person on a daily basis.

  126. Stacey January 20, 2010 at 4:29 pm #

    Adults? Human interaction? In person?
    Them’s fightin’ words!

  127. Whattha? January 21, 2010 at 8:50 am #

    WELL DUH Says:
    January 20, 2010 at 10:18 am
    Eviently I am allowed to post here as I have been doing it for some time now. Are you going to try to run this blog too?
    _______

    No. I just see you like a whore with STD, most normal people wouldn’t want to get in bed with you for fear of infection.

    _____________________________________________________

    Just because she tells it like it is and isn’t afraid of the cliques? Because she disagrees with you? What a harsh anaology that is totally unwarranted

  128. looky loo January 21, 2010 at 12:27 pm #

    Ugh. I don’t want to turn this into a PD fest or anything, but this whole “she tells it like it is” thing makes me cringe. Anyone who agrees with her thinks that she “tells it like it is”, which is another way of saying, “She feels the same way I do about that”.

    Are we not ALL telling it like it is from our own perspective? She is not a special snowflake.

  129. notvintage January 21, 2010 at 4:15 pm #

    Anybody can “tell it like it is”; that is what this blog in particular is about. Not impressed if “what it is” is virulent ranting. Isn’t that why people have their own blogs– so that they can rant all they want and control who answers it?
    Just tellin’ it like it is……..

  130. Whattha? January 22, 2010 at 7:51 am #

    notvintage Says:
    January 21, 2010 at 4:15 pm
    Anybody can “tell it like it is”; that is what this blog in particular is about. Not impressed if “what it is” is virulent ranting. Isn’t that why people have their own blogs– so that they can rant all they want and control who answers it?
    Just tellin’ it like it is……..
    looky loo Says:
    January 21, 2010 at 12:27 pm
    Ugh. I don’t want to turn this into a PD fest or anything, but this whole “she tells it like it is” thing makes me cringe. Anyone who agrees with her thinks that she “tells it like it is”, which is another way of saying, “She feels the same way I do about that”.

    Are we not ALL telling it like it is from our own perspective? She is not a special snowflake.
    ____________________________________________________-\

    I think the more appropriate thing I should say is that she disagrees with you, so you don’t like it. I’ve been reading this blog long enough to see if you don’t agree with the clique you’re attacked.

  131. notvintage January 22, 2010 at 8:35 am #

    I don’t belong to any clique, I just don’t like to have to scroll down that far to avoid out of control personal vendetta rants.

    I don’t know this person, or the persons she rants about, but it was my understanding that I could come here and find items that need to be brought to the attention of those who flag for inappropriate items and TOU violations.
    That’s what this blog is about, or am I wrong?

  132. Questioner January 22, 2010 at 11:57 am #

    I find it funny that the #117 poster is subscribed to that particular blog’s RSS feed. Why subscribe to something you don’t like?

    Sounds like a very very SAD commitment to knit picking.

  133. Hmmm..117 January 25, 2010 at 6:43 am #

    I’m not subscribed to that blog, it was cached in the link preview on ECO. When I hovered over the link to the article, the article was still available. I pasted it for those who weren’t able to read it.

  134. CaitlynMario February 25, 2010 at 12:54 pm #

    @Pussdaddy,
    Thanks for linking me this in etsy. I agree, I don’t want anyone parading around as me. It’s sad that they didn’t even try to spell my name right.

    I do want to say that this ‘caitlin’ person is not me. I will always use /CaitlynMario/ as my screenname. (Though, I wish I would have noticed this earlier and stopped it sooner.)

    Anyway, thanks again for letting me know.
    -CaitlynMario;

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