Heabands Headbands

21 Jan

This website Halo Heaven has many of the items listed in the homemade children accessories category.

Just for an example go down to the 11th item, the 1 1/2″ Crochet Headbands…

Here are just a few of the Etsy shops selling them as homemade-


47 Responses to “Heabands Headbands”

  1. JK January 21, 2010 at 1:24 pm #

    Now, I know plenty of people who actually make things by hand underprice but even with that and without the links to the wholesaler to prove it, the prices of these ‘handmade’ headbands on Etsy just look suspiciously low. Of course, I also Google keywords in Etsy listings I like before I buy anything these days because I’m just cynical like that.

  2. Life During Wartime January 21, 2010 at 1:26 pm #

    Another argument for vintage and supplies to each have their own separate Etsy.

    That way reseller items can’t sneak in under cover of mostly vintage or mostly supplies shops.

  3. JonhCocktoasten January 21, 2010 at 2:23 pm #

    I can tell you that ever single one of those is a wholesale headband. They are easy to spot if you are a crocheter. I can also spot the wholesale kufi beanies. They all have very distinctive yarn, edging, and pattern. I am 1000% certain.

    I am sure if someone is handmaking jewelry, spotting a wholesaler is a snap for them. I probably would have trouble spotting it.

  4. Voice January 21, 2010 at 2:33 pm #

    Mike Thair, you’re kidding, right? Even a moron can see the reselling happening here.

  5. Mike Thair January 21, 2010 at 2:46 pm #

    Having been labelled a reseller myself (I’m not btw) I think that caution is required. One idiot calls you a reseller then everyone gets on the bandwagon.

    Yes, an experienced crocheter would have a better eye for the technicalities than myself, agreed.

    But then, I was labelled a reseller by those experienced in my craft.



  6. Thud January 21, 2010 at 2:57 pm #

    Those headbands are some sort of stretchy shiny synthetic~ I know because my daughter has received themas freebies with other purchases of girl’s stuff. They are not handmade.

  7. Amy January 21, 2010 at 3:00 pm #

    The fact that they are all in an identical aray of colours is a bit of a giveaway.

    There are so many more items from that Halo Heaven website in these (and other) sellers stores. It’s embarassing.

  8. Angel January 21, 2010 at 3:07 pm #

    If you can find identical items being sold by a variety of sellers, they also have other identical merchandise in their shops that can also be found for sale by other sellers, and you can find the wholesale link….

    It’s a fucking duck.

  9. Life During Wartime January 21, 2010 at 3:15 pm #

    Mike, all of the Etsy shops in the OP offer multiple items from that wholesale site. Like various flowers, headbands, hats, feather boas.

    Many of the flowers — which are NOT handmade by the sellers — are listed in handmade categories, not supplies. Even if the sellers bought the flowers and glued a flat back rhinestone in the center, these are supplies. Why are they in the ‘children’ category? They could be used on a variety of crafts to make stuff for all ages. Embellishing hats, purses, shoes, jewelry come to mind.

  10. JK January 21, 2010 at 3:21 pm #

    Mike, I crochet and unless you’re in it to lose money, a handmade headband should sell for a whole lot more than a buck-fifty at most. Also, I find it just a *bit* unlikely that so many people could inadvertently make identical items in the same size, shape, style and colours, and that those same items would just happen to be featured on a wholesale site. No, not buying it.

  11. Mike Thair January 21, 2010 at 3:33 pm #

    OK, fair enough, I’m convinced…. thanks.

    Pity those who labelled me a reseller didn’t use similar due dilegence. But a great way to discredit a competitor and not be held accountable.

  12. Lu January 21, 2010 at 3:35 pm #

    I crochet and I can say those are not handmade. No wonder people on Alchemy keep asking for crocheted headbands for $1/each

  13. Bookworm January 21, 2010 at 3:47 pm #

    I’m a crocheter, and I’m not sure what you mean when you say they’re not handmade. Crocheting, unlike knitting, cannot be automated, so anything crocheted, by default, has been made by hand and not by machine.

    Now, having said that, I need to say also that there is a difference between being handmade by the shop owner and being handmade in a sweatshop full of crocheters mass-producing these items. Those shops certainly looked to me like they were reselling those headbands.

    I tried to scrutinize the photos to verify if they were actually crocheted, but none of the pics I looked at were big enough for me to see the stitches well enough.

  14. notvintage January 21, 2010 at 4:02 pm #

    Heads up:

  15. JonhCocktoasten January 21, 2010 at 4:16 pm #

    Of course they are handmade bookworm. But if the seller didn’t make them, they cannot list them in the handmade category. They must be tagged first as supplies, then commercial.

  16. itsgreektome January 21, 2010 at 4:58 pm #

    OMG! I buy those headbands from Family Dollar for my daughter! Please don’t tell me that they were on FP. I’ll just cry.

  17. resellersbegone January 21, 2010 at 5:09 pm #

    Found the at least one source of the shop noted by “heads-up” by nonvintage…(not the item she linked, but another from their inventory) the minimum purchase is 500 pcs., they produce 50,000 a month, and yes they are hand crocheted..gee, how many little fingers do they have working on this item alone?

    The item is a grey wool scarf with appliqued 3-d flowers and butterflies, and is really quite lovely, but not handmade by that seller…for sure!
    Here’s the source wholesaler…

  18. Lisa January 21, 2010 at 5:46 pm #

    Wow ! I’m amazed at how deep this reseller issue really is. It’s rampant ! I used to think it was just the common handbags and paintings, but it’s crazy !

  19. Angel January 21, 2010 at 5:55 pm #

    I find that sellers do a good enough job of driving potential customers to their competitors all on their own, Mike.

  20. Mike Thair January 21, 2010 at 6:03 pm #

    “I find that sellers do a good enough job of driving potential customers to their competitors all on their own, Mike.”

    Correct. I stood up to some of those Etsy wannabees who tried to discredit me. Now I find there are a lot of lurkers on Etsy, and some good potential customers have contacted me directly for wholesale orders….. OK, all handmade so will never be thousands…

    Genuine buyers make the effort…. one potential buyer from California visited on Wednesday and inspected our place to make sure we were genuine. She is the third from the USA to have done this.

    But I repeat…. due diligence please in accussing people of being resellers. I have been accussed, and it hurts!!!

  21. JonhCocktoasten January 21, 2010 at 6:34 pm #

    What kind of doctor are you Mike?

  22. Mike Thair January 21, 2010 at 6:51 pm #

    Biological scientist and science educator.

  23. Em January 21, 2010 at 6:54 pm #

    These HAVE to get shut down sometime soon. I haven’t lost all hope in Etsy yet, but will be dangerously close if these are allowed to stay up.

  24. noxPinion January 21, 2010 at 7:25 pm #

    I can think of several “zomg copyright infringement!” threads started by people who sold these very things, claiming their designs were “exclusive”. What a load.

  25. Kirsi January 22, 2010 at 1:02 am #

    “I tried to scrutinize the photos to verify if they were actually crocheted, but none of the pics I looked at were big enough for me to see the stitches well enough.”

    Here’s a picture I found of band where this kind of base headband was used (not calling the seller a reseller, just looked for a close up – they might have attached the flower themselves): http://ny-image0.etsy.com//il_fullxfull.117768300.jpg – I don’t think it’s crochet at all, and they’ve always looked machine made for me…

    Here’s a a better one http://ny-image1.etsy.com//il_fullxfull.117767053.jpg I think it’s ribbon sewn to a base with square holes.

  26. Laura January 22, 2010 at 5:34 am #

    Lisa Says:
    January 21, 2010 at 5:46 pm
    Wow ! I’m amazed at how deep this reseller issue really is. It’s rampant ! I used to think it was just the common handbags and paintings, but it’s crazy !

    I agree! These links and stores have actually shocked me, and I thought I was beyond being surprised!

  27. KR January 22, 2010 at 5:46 am #

    But I bet if they labeled these ‘supplies’ then it would be okay….they even show the headbands with suggested ways of dressing them up.

    S i g h….I can’t believe I have to run into dollar store items now on etsy.

    It really is kind of eerie how etsy never remarks, comments, or addresses resellers….only a banal (monotone?) “yes, we are as concerned as you.”

  28. tsk tsk January 22, 2010 at 6:35 am #

    The sad part is that it would be so easy for these shops to comply and be etsy legal with these items. All they have to do is list the damn things as “supply”. Why is that so damn hard for these people?!!

  29. Em January 22, 2010 at 6:50 am #

    I thought supplies couldn’t be anything that is readily usable, I think Etsy uses doll house furniture as an example. Headbands don’t really seem like a supply to me; it’s like selling shoes and saying “well, you can put different laces in them!.” Unless they have changed the TOUs since I read it, which was a few days ago lol.

  30. Kirsi January 22, 2010 at 7:58 am #

    Em is correct, these aren’t supplies under the new rules (maybe even the old ones?), just like chains with clasps aren’t.

  31. tsk tsk January 22, 2010 at 8:23 am #

    Okay, so they can slap a flower on them then and fall under handmade since hand-assembled is completely etsy legal.

  32. KR January 22, 2010 at 10:59 am #

    So all the manilla tags, cardboard jewelry boxes with cotton, little gift bags, glass pendant rectangles, etc etc…are NOT legal now on etsy?

    Whoa….that’s a loooot of successful stores that will have to close. (uh yea.)

  33. given up January 22, 2010 at 11:09 am #

    Etsy Bitch has been sitting on their Rokali interview for going on 2 weeks. Really, a blog dedicated to calling out and raking over the coals Etsy the commercial entity, and also the individuals running the show, scores an interview with the new Man Behind the Curtain who has come to deliver us all from evil, and they are claiming they are just way too busy to dedicate enough time to transcribe it, or clean it up, or whatever they plan on doing with it? Seriously? I’m not saying there’s a good chance there’s anything actually relevant and useful in that interview, but still. EB dangled it in front of everyone, and now they’re stalling. Sounds very familiar.

  34. anon January 22, 2010 at 11:10 am #

    I think cardboard boxes and gift bags fall under shipping supplies though which I think are still allowed.

  35. notvintage January 22, 2010 at 1:42 pm #

    So now people are bitching about etsybitch here? Why not go over there are tell them yourself.
    They don’t get paid to interview the asshole, remember. We are not entitled to service from them.

  36. Crazy Cat Lady January 22, 2010 at 6:54 pm #

    wow “given up”…did it ever occur to you that the people at EB have lives? And yeah – go over there and bitch.

  37. Bookworm January 22, 2010 at 10:22 pm #

    Kirsi Says:
    Here’s a a better one http://ny-image1.etsy.com//il_fullxfull.117767053.jpg I think it’s ribbon sewn to a base with square holes.
    I couldn’t tell well enough from the first pic, but the ones in this pic are NOT crocheted. I’m sure they were sewn.

    WRT “mass-produced” bona-fide crocheted items, I’ve heard that a lot of political prisoners in China are made to crochet items for export to the US and sold for cheap prices.

  38. JajieBo January 23, 2010 at 6:01 am #

    Bookworm, you bring up a good point.
    I’ll bet that a large number of “mass-produced” handmade items that are sold for super-cheap were made by people living in terrible conditions, for very little or no money. It’s sickening to think about. Most Americans want “affordable”, and they don’t really care to know why these things are so affordable in the first place. It’s incredibly sad and awful.

  39. pussdaddy January 23, 2010 at 7:50 am #

    Who can even tell what is handmade anymore and what isn’t? I never would have know those weren’t.

  40. Bookworm January 23, 2010 at 6:17 pm #

    That’s just another reason why it’s so horrible that some shops pass off these kinds of items as handmade by themselves, deceiving their customers who would like to purchase with a clear conscience..

  41. Voice January 24, 2010 at 5:54 pm #

    I took my daughter to get her hair cut today at a kids’ hair boutique in a mall. They had all the Halo Heaven stuff for sale — the headbands, beanies, tutus, pettiskirts, bows, all of it! It cracked me up — to think that some mom is going to see the “handmade” things she bought on Etsy available at the mall, bwahahahaha!

    That stuff is pretty cheap and tacky in person, BTW.

  42. Bedazzled VONdom January 25, 2010 at 9:58 am #

    “wow “given up”…did it ever occur to you that the people at EB have lives? And yeah – go over there and bitch”

    Just a thought but…..perhaps the people who are bitching HERE have been heavily moderated and/or blocked from leaving comments altogether over THERE?

    If you still believe that the ignorant twats at EB don’t do such things, I have some ocean front property in Idaho to sell you.

    (Yes, I used the word TWATS and I don’t give a flying fuck how offended you are by such language so save your skin and your misplaced indignation.)

  43. Windy's designs January 25, 2010 at 9:40 pm #

    Oh yeah, EB definitely won’t put thrugh any posts that call them on their shit, I should know from experience. Mavbe he shared some proprietary info about the new search changes and didn’t want it revealed until after it had been implemented, Or something.

    Having seen several of his interviews, podcasts and town hall meetings I’m not expecting a whole of anything really. He’s gifted that way. Baffles you with bullshit and after it’s over you find you really didn’t get any answers to your questions.

  44. Jillian January 26, 2010 at 2:22 pm #

    I sell these – but as supplies. I’ve reported TONS and TONS of shops selling Halo Heaven items as handmade. I’ve even thrown in a link to the page at Halo Heaven. Guess what? They never get taken down.

    HH sells crappy items bought from factories in China. They do not comply with CPSIA and make the rest of us look bad.

  45. Lisa March 10, 2010 at 10:52 am #

    I saw those headbands and the stretch caps at Hobby Lobby last week. Along with different flowers and clips.

  46. barbedlotus May 19, 2010 at 7:22 pm #

    The wings and tutus from this site are being sold on etsy in huge numbers as hand made fairy costume sets. The resellers are split about 50/50 between ones that actually make their own tutus and pair the wings with them and ones that just say screw handmade and buy the tutus too. The tutus are ok, and the wings definitely not bad for the wholesale price, but are really hurting the actual wing and tutu makers on etsy. I actually didn’t even notice them until I ran into them at a ren faire where we were being stomped by someone selling these wings. The ren faire didn’t prohibit resell so we just cut our loss and considered buying some ourselves to offer as lower cost options at our booth, but seeing them sold so much on etsy was infuriating. They are so cheap people on there can sell them for what my supplies alone cost, nevermind the ton of hours to make a quality handmade pair of wings takes.

  47. penelope August 1, 2010 at 5:14 pm #

    I too sell these, but the difference is that I sell them with handmade bows or flowers attached to them, and as far as I knew, that still counted as “handmade”. I’m not sure how many of you actually crochet, or make childrens hair accessories, but anyone who does knows that it takes years of practice to get them at a level where you would be willing to sell them. As for the crocheted beanies, I make my own, but the pattern I found to make these is exactly the same, and unless you actually compared them side by side you would never know the difference. This being said I don’t think that you can lump all people who make these types of things into the same category. I am not a “reseller”

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