Pettiskirts and Plagarized Pixels

1 Feb


lollieliciousdesigns

http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=39301219
Lollielicious Designs is offering Adorable Pettiskirts!!

SPECIAL PRICE! only $19.99 FOR PETTISKIRT!

*commerical made/not by hand
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CutesyPixels thinks that by re-coloring the whale of ErinBradleyDesigns that it’s not noticeable that she copied her shop.
Copied- http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=38484564
Original- http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=33540846

There are many more copied listings as well. BOO!

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125 Responses to “Pettiskirts and Plagarized Pixels”

  1. jenn February 1, 2010 at 4:39 pm #

    Flagged that petticoat – WTF etsy??

    I asked them to please delete the listing entirely instead of just letting the seller take down the *commercial made admission. We shall see if they have any integrity and delete the listing.

    My money is on the listing staying and the disclaimer being the only thing deleted. I hope I’m wrong… but it’s etsy 😉

  2. Em February 1, 2010 at 4:47 pm #

    I think we have another reseller of those crochet headbands as well:

    http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=33514770

    Flagged.

  3. MarcyKay February 1, 2010 at 5:06 pm #

    First off I think this was handled TOTALLY wrong.
    If the shop owner had a problem with what I had designed, she needed to speak to ME about it, it should not have been posted this way. I don’t know if she reported me, or if whoever finds this stuff just has too much time on their hands.

    In case whoever wrote this blog did not notice, there are a couple other designs in my shop exactly like the whale one. The Lizards and the dinos being 2 of them. I simply changed the colors of the shop set and used a different image.

    Erin’s whale design has a plain brown banner, with wording and a whale… I do see that we used the same whale, but it’s a FREEWARE FONT – not hers nor mine original design. We also seem to use the same font, but I have been in graphics design for 3 years now, and that font happens to be one of my favorite, I use it for my personal sites as well!

    I myself have had instances of others copying, blatantly, but I have confronted them about it before slandering their names… that would have been the mature way to handle this. Just because some may have similar ideas, does not mean they are copying or Plagarizing others.

  4. notvintage February 1, 2010 at 6:51 pm #

    That is just plain sick.

    This seller does not understand how to tag; she can’t take advice, but her cousin is a lawyer so watch out! She also thinks that the FBI might be interested.

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/FrivolousCottage

  5. Ummy February 1, 2010 at 7:03 pm #

    MarcyKay whats the link to the freeware font?

  6. elizabeth February 1, 2010 at 7:18 pm #

    Wow, that frivolouscottage person is definitely a piece of work! The people who’ve bought from her must not have read her shop announcement, that would be a deal breaker for me for sure. Not to mention the fact that she can’t spell.

  7. crapgawker February 1, 2010 at 7:32 pm #

    @#4 notvintage –

    Frivolous Cottage -horrible, scary shop announcement. I would read that and run away as fast as I could.

    In her Profile she says she’s a teacher. Ummm – she appears to be a complete illiterate idiot. She’s a teacher???!!!!

    http://www.etsy.com/profile.php?user_id=7704295

    No wonder the U.S. is lagging behind many other countries in education if she’s an example of what we have “teaching” our children.

    The negative feedback she left others would have been laughable with her misspellings – if it hadn’t been SO disturbing.

  8. MarcyKay February 1, 2010 at 7:54 pm #

    @ “ummy”
    Did you want it or just making sure I’m not lying? LOL! Here it is =) I’m sure it can be found on other free font sites as well.

    http://www.dafont.com/search.php?psize=m&q=orcas

    Guess this will be a lesson learned for me, to research my “competitors” before making a design. Unlike others, with my brother passing away last month, my husband about to deploy, and having to deal with moving alone with 2 small children, I dont have extra hours in my day to flip thru etsy’s countless designers and be sure none of them have anything similar to what I have in mind….

  9. Bedazzled VONdom February 1, 2010 at 8:52 pm #

    “Unlike others, with my brother passing away last month, my husband about to deploy, and having to deal with moving alone with 2 small children, I dont have extra hours in my day to flip thru etsy’s countless designers and be sure none of them have anything similar to what I have in mind….”

    Interesting. Most people don’t whip out a guilt trip unless they’ve actually done something wrong.

  10. MarcyKay February 1, 2010 at 9:02 pm #

    @ Bedazzled VONdom
    That’s kinda childish don’t you think? And who exactly is “most people”….?
    I don’t see it as a guilt trip … but you can think what you want. I’m just saying I don’t see how people that have lives have time to sit here and go thru all of the stuff on etsy that shouldn’t be there…. Obviously etsy doesn’t care, because etsy is getting paid regardless…

    If someone feels they are being copied, they should go to the person, Erin can defend herself, if she had a problem she can contact me (though I have already contacted her so we shall see what she says). I just noticed she follows my on my personal blog, so obviously she has seen my work. I’ve never had to deal with someone saying I’ve copied someone elses work, so EXCUSE ME if I’m not responding to your standards.

    =)

  11. MarcyKay February 1, 2010 at 9:12 pm #

    And I just heard back from the shop owner, and it was not her that had the problem, so apparently like I said, someone has way to much time on their hands. Now that I know that, thank you to “callin out etsy” for bringing more traffic to my shop =)

    Have a great week! Lol.

  12. Bedazzled VONdom February 1, 2010 at 10:05 pm #

    “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”

  13. Kirsi February 2, 2010 at 1:38 am #

    “…IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW ETSY WORKS STAY OFF OF IT AND DO NOT WAIST OUR TIME. IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO MAKE AN ONLINE PURCHASE WITH A CRIEDT CARD OR PAYPAL THEN STAY OFF THE COMPUTER. I MA SURE I WILL GET A RETALITIOTY NEGITIVE FOR THIS POST,…”

    Priceless.

  14. Kirsi February 2, 2010 at 1:51 am #

    And thank you for the link to free fonts!

  15. Life During Wartime February 2, 2010 at 3:08 am #

    FrivolousCottage’s shop = Vintage on Etsy classic!

    She can’t spell, exploits the deity in her profile, is clueless about tags, and is reselling Rachel Ashwell items and other new reproductions of (supposedly) vintage items as ‘handmade’. Another mixed salad shop of some legit listings mixed with shameless rule breaking.

  16. EtsyFailsAgain February 2, 2010 at 4:32 am #

    http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=39088954

    This was on the front page this morning(US)
    You can find these same earrings at any public market booth sold by 5-6 different vendors on any given Saturday.

    Come on Etsy-this is ridiculous.

  17. Sherri February 2, 2010 at 6:44 am #

    Hey, FrivolousCottage: English. UR DOIN IT RONG.

    Also, c’mon guys. Don’t you know that MarcyKay is the only person on Etsy with a life? Geez. It must have taken her hours to draw those poorly-spaced starburst lines alone.

  18. MadeByM**** February 2, 2010 at 6:50 am #

    I hope Frivolous Cottage is a gym or math teacher and not an English teacher! LOL! (I had a friend that was a brain when it came to math, but she couldn’t spell the word “the” or knew when to use a period)……her shop announcement would make me turn and run before I’d even look to see what she sells! I would never consider buying from this shop because of the “attitude” in her announcement!

    When people immediately start to use the “I’m a single mom raising 5 kids, my relative has been sick or died, my car is broken, my husband left me, etc.” as an excuse for why they do something or don’t do something, it turns people off pretty quickly. Those reasons are not an excuse for bad business practices or behaviors. You’re in the business to sell a product or service. If you can’t maintain a professional level, then get out of it. If something personal has happened that it prevents your from maintaining a proper level, then take a break, but don’t use it as an excuse. The aforementioned states they don’t have time to check out their competition..then how are you going to make your product better and more appealing to your potential customers?

  19. MarcyKay February 2, 2010 at 7:50 am #

    Ya know it’s pretty pathetic how ya’ll wanna sit here and insult me like this. The stupid starburst that are so poorly spaced are a Photoshop Brush, and I would like to see you make something better since you seem to be all-knowing.

    And I wasn’t using it as an excuse! Really, you all need to get a life! Again, I guess since some people can’t read I will restate that I was just saying have better things to do. TO ME, going thru other shops seeing what they have is asking for trouble, so I just don’t do it. That says nothing about how professional I run my shop.

    I handled the situation the way it should have been handled. Unlike you all who would prefer to sit here and talk mess behind fake screen names like little highschoolers. It’s frivolous and petty, and shows you have no room in talking about my ethics. If I had something to hide, I would have sat in my little corner and hoped Erin never noticed me, and not said a word here. Why do you all expect that noone will ever take a stand for themselves? That this is your clique in highschool that gets off on putting others down and never gets called out on it?

    You wanna talk about how sad it is what etsy has become, with the people not knowing how to tag, selling commercial products as handmade, and jocking others ideas, what about you? How do you fit in as a valuable asset to the community when you have nothing better to do than put other shop owners that are doing well down? Lol.

    The really pathetic thing here is, if I was the shop that had been on Etsy the longest, Erin would be the one getting “called out”…. so you all hate on the newer shops, and the older shops that have been around forever (Janine King for example) Nothing makes you all happy, so really what is the point of this senseless blog?

    (yes, I know I’m setting myself up for trouble by writing this because ya’ll will come back with your fake screennames and talk more mess, but it’s actually quite amusing)

  20. tsk tsk February 2, 2010 at 8:18 am #

    For someone so busy you have a lot of time to spend here.

  21. tsk tsk February 2, 2010 at 8:23 am #

    I also hope you are making the correct donation to Doctors without Borders per the user agreement of the font designer…

    “Manfred’s fonts are free for private and charity use. They are even free for commercial use – but if there’s any profit, pls make a donation to organizations like Doctors Without Borders.”

  22. JK February 2, 2010 at 8:29 am #

    Wow, MarcyKay. It’s funny, but I don’t think you realize that the more you protest the way you do, the guiltier you come off. And what was that about people here not having a life? You seem like you must have a lot of free time to stick around and reply to everything.

  23. Sherri February 2, 2010 at 9:04 am #

    You’re right MarcyKay, I could never top a photoshop brush with a dingbat whale on top.

  24. Sherri February 2, 2010 at 9:05 am #

    And my name? Totally not Sherri, either.

  25. Voice February 2, 2010 at 9:35 am #

    Eh, MarcyKay, people here get defensive when it turns out they have made false accusations. I think the point about making a donation as the font designer asked is a good one (and maybe you already do this), but I’d let the comments about the quality of your work and the “protest too much” thing slide off your back. Don’t waste your time defending yourself here, just let the discussion die.

  26. sb February 2, 2010 at 10:18 am #

    I have absolutely no axe to grind here.

    But if my brother had recently died, and my husband was about to leave on active service, and I was using similar resources as other Etsians and found myself in a bit of a feck cluster – I know I would state the case as it was for me.

    All I’m saying is – sometimes it’s hard to say precisely what is what.

    That’s all. x

  27. NRaygun February 2, 2010 at 10:18 am #

    I agree with Voice.

  28. Bedazzled VONdom February 2, 2010 at 11:04 am #

    I think an IP check of Marcy and her new “friends” is in order.

    ;-}

  29. cindy February 2, 2010 at 11:38 am #

    okay so first off. before u say someone must have alot of free tme on their hands because they are sitting here responding. wtf are u guys doing? u guys know nothing about this girl and i know for a fact she does way more stuff thats important during her day than u all probly do that are sitting here talking mess. so just because at the end of the day she makes time for her clients and to get orders done and ect on top of her family life means she has soo much time? get a life ppl thats called being a good bussiness person. and the only reason u guys are talking mess is because u know her stuff is better than all of urs. if the one person who u think shes coying had a problem let her adress it not u all who have no lifes and have the time to start a whole blog about her. and her defending herself does not make her look guilty. when has defending urself meant ur guilty. u guys are just jealous and being haters. y dont u learn how to do good stuff like hers and maybe u wont feel the need to make a blog to get attention get a life guys

  30. Bedazzled VONdom February 2, 2010 at 11:42 am #

    Internet Lesson #45

    Don’t try too hard to disguise your usual posting style when pretending to be someone else because it will show.

    Signed,

    Jealous Hater

  31. cindy February 2, 2010 at 11:46 am #

    umm really guys? u think she would diguise herself as someone else. ive known her for 3 yrs u think i have a right to defend my friend. u all need to get a f*&%king life. belive me ive known her long enough that i know she wouldnt stoop to yalls level. so im sorry jealous hater ur wrong.

  32. Bedazzled VONdom February 2, 2010 at 12:01 pm #

    Old friends, eh? Has she been a visual plagiarist for all three years that you have known her?

    *snorkle*

    P.S. I’m waiting for your “friend” to steal someone else’s “fucking life” and list it on Etsy and then I can buy it and then, FINALLY, I will have one of my own! Woo hooooooo!

    Tell her to hurry up, m’kay? I iz anksious.

  33. Ashley February 2, 2010 at 12:18 pm #

    I just wanted to take a minute to say this is all very very childish. Not only have I known Marcy for years now, but I know her well enough to know she does not “jock” ideas. Alot of you may not know her but she has designed for years and is actually very talented.

    I think what we have here is a simple case of jealousy. If someone has talent people always seem to get pissy and try to make some crap up to smear their reputation.

    Let me also say this to Bedazzled how dare you even try to bring up her deployment and her brother dying. Are you that much of a low life? My family just finished up a 8 month deployment my husband was deployed to Iraq and I found that designing and working on my website was one of my only escapes from real life. So what she does to distract her self from the devastation that is deployments is none of your business and definitely not for you to criticize..

    You will never know the pain military families go through. Why not before you run your stupid mouth try putting your self in someone elses situation before you flap your gums together?

    Marcy is so much more talented than any of you idiots put together in just her pinkie finger. She has nothing to hide and for that fact neither do I so go ahead and run your IP trace on me or better yet google me witch 😀 I would have loved to use another word for witch but I will refrain. Oh and so you know this is all meant for Bedazzled so one of her little cronies will need to fetch her for me so she can get told.

  34. tsana February 2, 2010 at 12:23 pm #

    I can haz overprotective friends/personalities.

  35. cindy February 2, 2010 at 12:24 pm #

    thank you ashley. another friend other than me defending her. these ppl are the ones who have no time and i agree with everything u just said.!! get a life bedazzled. get a gf or wife go get laid or something. do somthing else to waste ur time other than talk shit on here. i know im saying shit that shouldnt be said but some of u ppl just dont know when to stop! shes been through alot in a short period of time and she doesnt need this from u immature ppl who just want to hate !

  36. jealousorhighlyamused February 2, 2010 at 12:27 pm #

    I love it when people pull out the “jealous” card.

  37. Bedazzled VONdom February 2, 2010 at 12:38 pm #

    “Let me also say this to Bedazzled how dare you even try to bring up her deployment and her brother dying.”

    I didn’t bring it up, hon. SHE DID. I merely quoted her.

    Try actually reading next time. It should help.

  38. Ashley February 2, 2010 at 12:40 pm #

    No problem Cindy,

    This is all ridiculous.. I mean whoever said oh i love when they pull the jealousy card. Well um what else would you call it? That is clearly not copying.. So she used the same whale.. Besides that nothing else looks alike with the whale. Whoever put this blog up is clearly delusional.

  39. Bedazzled VONdom February 2, 2010 at 12:41 pm #

    “get a life bedazzled. get a gf or wife go get laid or something.”

    So, basically, Marcy won’t be happy until I become a lesbian?

    Sorry to disappoint all the lovely ladies out there but no can do.

  40. Ashley February 2, 2010 at 12:42 pm #

    LMAO!!! That is all you have to say to that? Rich seriously.. I feel sorry for you I really do. You are a sad miserable little person.

  41. Bedazzled VONdom February 2, 2010 at 12:43 pm #

    IP check, STAT!

  42. Bedazzled VONdom February 2, 2010 at 12:46 pm #

    Marcy, I just have to ask. Do you draw your eyebrows on with a Sharpie?

    Also, exactly how many internet lawyers are there in your family?

  43. Ashley February 2, 2010 at 12:46 pm #

    Yes please do check my Ip 🙂 It is totally diff from Marcy’s or Cindy’s. I know this may come as a shock that she has friends considering you must have none. But yeah she has people who care and do not want to see her smeared because your a miserable troll.

  44. MarcyKay February 2, 2010 at 12:48 pm #

    this has actually become quite funny.
    So I am told to stop responding, cuz its making me look guilty to defend myself… so a couple of my friends think this is BS and they get on here (aside from “sb”, I dont know who that is) and all of the sudden it is ME writing as other people?

    So quick to accuse, I suppose that is something you would do =)
    Yes, where is the own of this blog so they can confirm that I am at least not an identity thief….

    Oh and Hmmmm not sure what Cindy said has to do with ME wanting to you become Lesbian, but I wouldn’t recommend it. Men are much better at taking bullshit than women are, and since that seems to be all your made of, stick to men =)

    Eyebrows- sharpie… hmmm? Was that supposed to be a joke? Pretty lame!! Internet Lawyers? Dont get it twisted =)

  45. Sherri February 2, 2010 at 12:58 pm #

    Pfft. Sorry hun, but these were not created independently of one another. Both pieces use the EXACT same whale and the EXACT same unicase font. I call shenanigans.

    And spare the me the horrors of deployment sob story. I live 15 minutes from a military base and I know exactly what my friends are going through. They somehow get through it without ripping off other artists.

  46. Life During Wartime February 2, 2010 at 1:03 pm #

    Every person faces tragedy and difficult circumstances in life. These personal airings should be reserved for communications with friends and family, not posted in a shop. I won’t buy from sellers who are playing the sympathy card because it always looks to me like they are giving their excuses in advance for poor business practices. And common sense suggests a seller not share info in public spaces that would make them look vulnerable to scammers, or worse.

    I just have to laugh at sellers who write a plot summary for what could be a Lifetime movie for their announcement, but can’t be bothered filling in all the boilerplate like location, policies and good item descriptions.

    Once a seller posts a bunch of personal stuff in their shop, it is public information (true or not) and part of the way the public perceives their business.

  47. MarcyKay February 2, 2010 at 1:03 pm #

    HELLO…. It’s the EXACT SAME FONT DUH lol. Pretty sure I said that before =)

    And I didnt say anything of horrors of deployments, (again, since you all cant seem to READ… ahem… ) I was saying I got too much going on to be going thru all the other shop owners stuff =)

    And Please, spare me the “I know exactly what they are going thru” BS because unless you are a military SO, and have been there done that, you can think you know what they are goin thru, but truly you have no idea.

    I didn’t rip her off. My shop is doing plenty well with the other designs. Why would I choose one of her least popular designs to try and sell? Come on, if I were to rip a design off I would at least rip something that would make some $, that whale design hasn’t even sold yet. Lol.

    (just making a note here that I have no problem with ErinBradleyDesigns, she was very respectful and supportive when I contacted her)

  48. MarcyKay February 2, 2010 at 1:09 pm #

    I think how a shop owner decides to run his/her shop is totally up to them. If I want to put an announcement on my shop why I was behind on orders, that is my business.

    To me, if I was the client awaiting an order, I would want to know that the shop owner wasn’t just making up excuses for not having completed my order, and instead of wasting time contacting the numerous clients I have, it was much less time consuming to put it on my announcement.

    But then again, what business is it of yours or anyone else’s if you are not my client?

  49. jealousorhighlyamused February 2, 2010 at 1:13 pm #

    This is all ridiculous.. I mean whoever said oh i love when they pull the jealousy card. Well um what else would you call it?

    ————-

    That, um, would be me. I’m pretty sure no one here is jealous. Kind of hard to be jealous of someone you don’t know. Maybe a larger vocabulary will help you come up with the correct word.

  50. Bedazzled VONdom February 2, 2010 at 1:21 pm #

    Has Marcy yet shared with us the total amount of her charitable contribution to Doctors Without Borders?

    I’m willing to match it. In fact, I’ll double it!

    I realize she doesn’t have a lot of time to spend online but hopefully she will be able to answer this burning question.

  51. Really? February 2, 2010 at 1:27 pm #

    I read this blog every day, but this is the first time I’ve posted. I’m not a friend of MarcyKay and I’ve never seen her shop before today. But I think some of the posters here are taking this beyond what was required.

    MarcyKay showed up, explained the freeware font situation, provided a link to her source – I think that pretty much resolves the issue, yeah?

    Bringing up personal attacks (ie Sharpie eyebrows) is pretty classless and is not what this blog is about.

    Let’s get back to talking about the petticoats mentioned in this post – a seller admitting IN THEIR LISTING that they’re reselling a commercial product is pretty terrible.

    Or we can talk about Frivolous Cottage and her hilariously uneven shop announcement – isn’t it funny that she goes from screaming about “negitive” feedback to saying that she wants to create a cozy space for her shop items?

    Seriously, anything but these junior-high level attacks on a seller’s personal appearance.

  52. MadeByM**** February 2, 2010 at 1:31 pm #

    That’s exactly how I feel, Lifetime. And that’s what I was trying to get across in my comment above.

    No one is saying losing a family member or dealing with deployment of a spouse is not hard on you; just keep it to yourself and your close friends and family. No one here or Etsy gives a crap about my personal problems and I really don’t want to air them to the world via the internet! And I don’t want to hear about your’s and anyone else’s. Period. If my personal problems are creating problems for my Etsy/internet business, then I’m going to take a break from my business and deal with my personal stuff. No one is jealous of your success here. They are questioning your integrity. If you are NOT copying, and you have contacted the other seller, and they agree that you are not copying, than let it go. You only have to answer to the other seller. You opened yourself up to criticism by “defending yourself” here. Unfortunately, when you use fonts and clipart available to the public, you run the risk of making similar items. But because there are thousands of fonts & millions of clipart available and you use the exact same font and whale, well, that’s a little suspicious.

  53. KR February 2, 2010 at 1:31 pm #

    I really think if the other artist has no problem with the artist you are all ganging up on …what is the problem?

  54. MarcyKay February 2, 2010 at 1:34 pm #

    Lol.
    Hmmm Let’s see, it hasn’t been sold so no profit has been made, therefore no donation has been made. The font was given to me in a share group, meaning someone had it installed on their computer, and they sent it to me, so no text file was attached. (you following me here?) But I have no problem with the terms for commercial use of the font. Looks like a pretty legit cause actually.

    And I didn’t say I dont have alot of time to spend online, you are enjoying twisting my words, arent you? Again, spending time researching my competitors is a WASTE of time. Who knows, it might just be YOU making all these other remarks, posting under all these other names, trying to make it look like the majority is against me. (you accused me of it, so how should I know you are not guilty of it yourself?)

    What’s next? Please, do humor me =)
    Maybe we should take a look at your shop and see how many similar designs we can find amongst other shop owners. Or are you not an etsy shop owner?

  55. MarcyKay February 2, 2010 at 1:41 pm #

    Made By M*** Noone is making you read it, so if you have a problem with it move on.

    Why would defending myself open me up to criticism? That makes no sense.

    If you look at the font I used for the shop name, I use that same font in almost ALL of my shop sets. So it’s funny how I used that SAME font in all the other shop sets, like the lizard and dino ones that are exactly the same setup as the whale, but since I changed the TEXT to a WHALE, I am copying!? (funny I have to keep repeating myself to the same ppl) hahahaha. Man, who needs cable? lol.

  56. Bedazzled VONdom February 2, 2010 at 1:45 pm #

    “Hmmm Let’s see, it hasn’t been sold so no profit has been made, therefore no donation has been made.”

    Nice try but it’s not just a question of that one font, hon.

    We both know that. Or maybe you don’t. I can see that consistency isn’t one of your stronger attributes.

  57. Bedazzled VONdom February 2, 2010 at 1:47 pm #

    “Bringing up personal attacks (ie Sharpie eyebrows) is pretty classless and is not what this blog is about.”

    “we can talk about Frivolous Cottage and her hilariously uneven shop announcement – isn’t it funny that she goes from screaming about “negitive” feedback to saying that she wants to create a cozy space for her shop items?”

    Oh sweet irony of life!

    (Ten bucks says you also keep a Sharpie in your bathroom.)

  58. Sherri February 2, 2010 at 1:49 pm #

    “The font was given to me in a share group, meaning someone had it installed on their computer, and they sent it to me, so no text file was attached.”

    So you even pirated the font, too? NICE.

    “Unfortunately, when you use fonts and clipart available to the public, you run the risk of making similar items. But because there are thousands of fonts & millions of clipart available and you use the exact same font and whale, well, that’s a little suspicious.”

    ^ This. Exactly.

  59. KR February 2, 2010 at 1:51 pm #

    Buried under all this is an interesting discussion.

    I’ve seen on a couple of blogs, run by etsy crafters, lots of outrage over so-called copying.

    These crafters take a readymade pendant and string it on a piece of ribbon or a chain. Someone else does the same thing and the more successful crafter goes ballistic. Her commenters fawn and offer comfort.

    Or someone makes frilly tags with lace and scrapbook paper and then she eventually accuses someone of copying her. Blog post after tragic blog post.

    Meanwhile there are legions of this stuff on Etsy and it is hard to tell one from the other.

    I am sure the accused ‘copying” artist is inundated with scathing convos and emails. It’s sort of sad and bullying.

    I’m not talking about outright copying of someone’s original illustrations, artwork, or very unique-not-seen-before jewelry—- that is total legitimate outrage- I’m talking about stuff you see all over the place.

    Some artists market better and give their stores a certain “look” and are very successful with what basically is a fancy bead on a string…..but man, they really get full of themselves accusing everyone of copying their not-original ideas.

    Just throwing all that out there if anyone wants to give their opinion on it.

    As I said before, I really don’t see the problem with this lady’s clip art and free fonts. The other artist didn’t even post a copying-whine-poor-artistic-genius-me on her blog as far as I can tell.

  60. MarcyKay February 2, 2010 at 1:55 pm #

    Hmmm well I was under the impression that we were referring to the whale design…

    And now your insulting the people who are trying to get this blog back to what it is supposed to be used for. Really Mature.

    Pirating, No, don’t believe so. Freeware fonts are uploaded to multiple font sites, and NOT all by their original owner. So let’s say the maker of the font’s name is “Tom”, and Tom uploads it to “DaFont.Com” and “Mark” comes along and gets it, and ends uploading it to “fontspace.com”, and “Sheila” comes along and gets it from Fontspace.com and uploads it to Font101,…. and I get it from there, how is that any different from a friend giving me a “freeware” font??

  61. Really? February 2, 2010 at 2:08 pm #

    Again, Bedazzled. Classless.

    Like I said, I read this blog every day. I also read the comments and I’ve noticed that it’s often you who brings the personal attacks into the conversation. I know I’m not going to stop that, but I think you should know that I, for one, feel like it brings the discussion down from legitimate concerns to outright hostility and mocking.

  62. KR February 2, 2010 at 2:09 pm #

    These freeware fonts are talked-up all over the place-just one example

    http://howaboutorange.blogspot.com/2009/05/free-stitched-fonts.html

  63. tsk tsk February 2, 2010 at 2:12 pm #

    Actually it is freeware in the sense that the designer has not charged you for it but each and every designer retains the intellectual copyright to their work and the reason they have a USER POLICY. Just because Tom takes something and tosses it around doesn’t mean you can have a free for all with it. As a designer you should know this. And as a designer who is selling their work, I would think that you would be making sure that you are NOT using clip art, fonts, etc. that are not free for public use.

    But, integrity really isn’t all that rampant on etsy so…

  64. Bedazzled VONdom February 2, 2010 at 2:12 pm #

    “I, for one, feel like it brings the discussion down from legitimate concerns to outright hostility and mocking.”

    Mocking? You mean like this?

    “we can talk about Frivolous Cottage and her hilariously uneven shop announcement – isn’t it funny that she goes from screaming about “negitive” feedback to saying that she wants to create a cozy space for her shop items?”

  65. Bedazzled VONdom February 2, 2010 at 2:13 pm #

    P.S. Some of my best friends have Sharpie eyebrows.

    ;-}

  66. Em February 2, 2010 at 2:17 pm #

    MarcyKay, sometimes the call outs on these blogs do miss the mark, and you coming here to defend yourself is perfectly fine, but you and your “friends” coming in here and calling us all jealous, talentless idiots does not help things much.

    Browsing competitors’ shops isn’t a waste of time, it’s good business. Do you think Burger King checks out what McDonald’s has on a regular basis? Not an excellent analogy, but I bet my life they do.

    You may also want to tell your friend Cindy to learn to write proper English before coming in here and telling us off. If she really was trying to make a point, it completely missed me; I was too distracted wondering what a nine-year-old was doing on this blog.

    I couldn’t resist this one, but now I’m done. Backing out slowly..

  67. NRaygun February 2, 2010 at 2:42 pm #

    This reminds me of a story I read awhile back about companies using the same stock photography image in their ads as their competitors/ other companies.

    Royalty free or freely found images and fonts make their way around the internet. People find them and use them. People come up with similar color combinations and develop similar design aesthetic. It just happens.

    I believe CutesyPixels has good intentions with her shop on Etsy.

    Such is life…

  68. MarcyKay February 2, 2010 at 2:45 pm #

    @ Tsk Tsk … hmmm so in your opinion, just about all fonts other than those that come with the computer when you purchase them are off limits to designers, yes? What makes Dingbat fonts any different from other fonts? You can say that dingbats should not be used commercially because they are artwork of the font creator, but in a sense, handwritten fonts that are created by someone writing out their letters on a piece of paper, scanning it into a computer and converting it into a font is also their own artwork…. So let it be known, according to “Tsk Tsk” all decorative fonts are off limits to designers. HA.

    (why dont you contact the other designers who use these same fonts, since it is such a sin. I doubt you will, it appears you just have an “ax to grind” as was stated before)

    @ Em – I wasn’t calling anyone jealous or talentless, if you read my posts, I was getting attacked and I was just trying to handle the situation properly. Put yourself in my shoes, if you were trying to do what you thought was the right thing & people were saying what was said above? What Ashley and Cindy said was their own doing, not mine. I have no control over their opinions. Just because they might not be etsy shop owners doesn’t mean they don’t have a right to put their 2 cents in. I was being put down and accused of something I didn’t do, so how is that ok and it’s not ok for friends of mine to retaliate? Only reason I didn’t say what may have really been on my mind is because it is MY shop that is at stake here.

    And as far as Cindy’s grammar, hey, that is who she is, I am not gonna try to change her. And another point, you were not one of the ones continuing to take this conversation down a road it shouldn’t have gone… So I dont think they intended their remarks towards you, and I don’t think you have a reason to be offended hun =)

  69. Ashley February 2, 2010 at 2:46 pm #

    Em- I am pretty sure for idiots is a pretty nice word for what I could have said. From what I have seen in this blog yeah pretty sure. Classless was also pretty true. Did I personally attack sure I did. I get seriously offended when people trash others just because they are successful.. This is what this is. She did not copy the other design end of story. Also if she contacted the other designer and the designer was okay with it the person who runs this useless blog she take it down.

    But it is evident we are dealing with children here. Oh and was the comment about “get a bigger vocab” supposed to hurt my feelings? I have a “bigger vocab” than almost every person in here 😀 With that I have things to do.. Have a splendid evening =p

    ps. For those of you who claim to know what the military spouses go through just because you live next to a base.. Um get a clue.. Try living it. You will never have any idea of what we go through. You were not here the entire time my husband was on his 5th deployment. You did not have to dry my children’s eyes when they cried for their daddy. Shut up you have no clue..

  70. tsk tsk February 2, 2010 at 3:03 pm #

    I don’t actually have an axe to grind. I just think that as a designer, out of respect for your own craft, you would want to make sure the images and fonts you are using are actually free for you to use commercially. I think that should be true of ALL designers not just you.

    And did I say all fonts are off limits? No, I said you should make sure the items you are using to create with FOR PROFIT are free to use for such purposes. You seem to be a big fan of people acurately reading your posts, the least you could do is the same.

  71. cindy February 2, 2010 at 3:03 pm #

    hahaha sooo funny. em. excuse me if im a little busy with my real life and dont spell everything correctly while im in the middle of doing something else . my appologize to u .lol. i am so so so so sorry .lmao

    and also me calling u all who are talking shit jealous is my own opinion.whoever started this blog is an idiot.improve ur work so u dont have to talk shit about someone elses and get a fuckin life! u guys all have a great day 🙂 im gonna go off now and mispell all my words to other ppl id rather be talking too 🙂

  72. Sarah February 2, 2010 at 3:13 pm #

    Huh. Ok, is now a bad time to post a link to a reseller? ‘Cause I’d hate to interrupt the epic conflict with a mostly unrelated post, it just pisses me off that this reseller couldn’t even be bothered to change the item titles or descriptions, I just googled them exactly as listed and a few thousand wholesale and commercial listings for them popped up. http://www.etsy.com/shop/obeyjesus

  73. Thud February 2, 2010 at 3:24 pm #

    I remember a classic thread on Etsy about copying.
    SOmeone made a pendant with a red heart and eiffel tower.
    They then found, oh, 10 (?) almost identical necklaces using those two elements in various arrangements and no one was copying… it was just what was trendy and in the ether… so we need to keep these things in perspective and the accusation here seems baseless.

  74. Sherri February 2, 2010 at 3:27 pm #

    Ashley. Sorry, I forgot that you’re a special little snowflake and that no one else goes through what you do. Forget that my friends go through the same thing and I see them raising their kids alone. Fuck ’em.

  75. nox February 2, 2010 at 4:07 pm #

    The “I found it on the interwebs so I can do whatever I want with it” defense is utter fail, no matter what you choose to believe.
    But it is pretty amusing when multiple people make the same mediocre graphics with it.

    Thanks for the entertainment, Ashley “I haz moar big words than u, I choose not to use them” and cindy “em.lolol.lmao” It’s always good to be reminded that there are very….*special* people in the world, some of whom have access to computers. Unfortunately.

  76. shutupalreadyallofyou February 2, 2010 at 4:10 pm #

    You ALL need to get off your high horse and stick to the point here. I don’t read this blog for the petty banter.

    Oh wait, actually, I DO.

    Though, this has gone too far. Everyone is copying everyone in this day and age, originality is few and far between, and you might as well all deal with the fact that whatever crap you’re making is probably the same as what the shop next to you is making…so either do something that’s never been done before, or just STFU about it.

    The internet seems to have a way of over-inflating egos on a level that I almost can’t even comprehend.

  77. cindy February 2, 2010 at 4:26 pm #

    hahah nox ur so funny. are u supposed to be hurting my feelings? well not working. i honeslty dont know u and dont give a shit about what u wanna say about me 🙂 i thinks its funny actually. so thank you for making me laugh. i hope u find something better to do with the rest of your day.

    and for post num 76 i agree everyone is using alot of the same stuff. its the way you choose to make whatever it is your selling in ur own way and if its better than the other person whos selling something similar that thats ur problem not the one whos doing better in sales.

  78. nox February 2, 2010 at 4:38 pm #

    oh, drat. My day is ruined. I have failed to be hurting cindys feelings. honeslty, I don’t know how I’ll ever live it down.

    sad face.

    Back to more interesting topics – I think those pettiskirts are the new crocheted headband/beanie. There are dozens of “boutiques” selling them, and they are all suspiciously similar.

  79. WoodenBoard February 2, 2010 at 4:48 pm #

    Jealousy is not what this blog is about. This blog is here because Etsy wont allow us to call out the people that are breaking policy and copying others.

    I’m so tired of hearing “Well everyone hates me because they are jealous.” We are shop owners and buyers that are tired of seeing lazy people get ahead.

    We don’t spend hours a day looking for trouble, we see it we flag it. If it doesn’t go away we ask for help. Etsy is slow, Etsy needs more workers cracking down on this, but until they do their job we have to show them the things they are missing.

    Would you be ok buying something that wasn’t handmade if you thought it was? Etsy is supposed to be a handmade site. You might not mind getting ripped off, but I sure do.

    If you think flagging is stupid or being aware is dumb, then I feel sorry for you. Do you also in turn look away when a crime is being committed?

    By the way, what you choose to tell your customers is your own business, if you choose to keep your shop open while having issues and getting behind on orders is your own deal. But DO NOT say that because someone isn’t feeling every moment of pain that you are, they don’t have a clue as to what hardship is. Just as we may not know who you are, you do not know us. If you want to play who had a harder life, I will give you my phone number and we can chat.

    Whether I believe you stole fonts and did not donate or you honestly never saw the other person’s site doesn’t matter to me anymore. Once you play the I’m better than you because my life sucks more card, you show yourself as a selfish person. Creativity isn’t selfish, it’s an art, and so is life. Can you create?

  80. nox February 2, 2010 at 4:51 pm #

    Well said, WoodenBoard.

  81. pussdaddy February 2, 2010 at 4:52 pm #

    OMG people will do just anything to make a buck.

    PussDaddy

  82. Christine February 2, 2010 at 4:57 pm #

    This has become ridiculous. Can we move on please?

  83. WTFISAPDF February 2, 2010 at 6:01 pm #

    Let’s move on.
    Friv needs to hire DesignedbyLucinda’s “Businessletters” shop to get her customer service act together. Stick the pink whale on the brown and pink petticoat… and call it a day.

  84. Em February 2, 2010 at 6:17 pm #

    #72
    Good find (I see you got glossed over a little bit, so thought I’d at least respond, lol)

    I love that she mentions “some assembly required” in this listing:

    http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=39865409

    Not to mention the shop name! It’s just plain creepy.

  85. uh-huh February 2, 2010 at 6:33 pm #

    Man, when did this turn into a who-suffers-more and who-is-more-jealous competition?

  86. Voice February 2, 2010 at 8:29 pm #

    BeadazzledVonwhatever wrote:
    I think an IP check of Marcy and her new “friends” is in order.

    ;-}
    ***********
    I trust you were not referring to me. I’ve been posting here for a while (I think my first post is in the epic Nutmeg thread). But anyone is free to check my IP against hers.

  87. ginger February 2, 2010 at 10:56 pm #

    ” hmmm so in your opinion, just about all fonts other than those that come with the computer when you purchase them are off limits to designers, yes? What makes Dingbat fonts any different from other fonts? You can say that dingbats should not be used commercially because they are artwork of the font creator, but in a sense, handwritten fonts that are created by someone writing out their letters on a piece of paper, scanning it into a computer and converting it into a font is also their own artwork…. So let it be known, according to “Tsk Tsk” all decorative fonts are off limits to designers. HA.”
    _____________________________________________
    um…while this has nothing to do with calling out, I think your perspective on this is a little out-of-whack for a designer. Some of us actually really do take licenses and usage rights seriously.

    For example, I recently designed a logo for a charity I’m involved with, using a free font from Dafont. The font designer requested that anyone using it for commercial items contact him for permission. So I sent an email explaining our group and what sort of products we’d be selling with the logo, along with a copy of the design. He emailed right back with his blessing, and I felt like I could rest easy.

    So this idea you’re suggesting–that no designer worries about permission when it comes to a free font–is not true at all. Professional designers tend to care alot.

  88. SophisticatedLady February 3, 2010 at 5:32 am #

    Let’s move on, people. Enough.

    There are plenty of actual resellers who need to be called out.

  89. itstinks February 3, 2010 at 7:53 am #

    Please stop bickering about copying. Why was that even posted here anyway. As mentioned above, many times, there are tons of people on etsy selling almost, if not completely, identical items. When you have 20 people have the same 2 beads and they put them together, you get 20 identical necklaces. Who knows who had the idea first? And does it really matter?

    A BLATANT reseller has been brought up in these comments and you all are still talking about copying. You could find a gazillion items on etsy that looked “copied” compared to each other.

    This reseller – obeyjesus – has all their resell items tagged as supplies (except the necklace).
    It’s just wrong.
    she mentions “some assembly required” in this listing:

    http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=39865409

  90. MadeByM**** February 3, 2010 at 8:23 am #

    Flagged obeyjesus, but we know how that works!

  91. MadeByM**** February 3, 2010 at 8:29 am #

    P.S. This is a Calling Out blog. I don’t think it has to be just about resellers. Her title says, “Calling out blatant mistaggers, resellers, and other hot topics since admin won’t let us.” So, copying is a hot topic that can be discussed is how I see it. Copying is a “hot topic”, but unfortunately, harder to prove.

  92. itstinks February 3, 2010 at 10:09 am #

    I flagged them too M.

    I realize copying is a “hot topic” but this was kind of a lame example – and very hard to prove.
    If it had been original graphic design work, or original work of any kind, then that is much easier to prove and I’m totally against copying original works. Like say, someone decides to do an exact replica of the Mona Lisa.

    But the examples of jewelry listed above are very valid. There are many jewelry makers on etsy who use the same supplies and suppliers. There are also alot of successful sellers who hang one bead from an earwire. That’s not very original and I can totally see someone else hanging the same bead from an earwire and seller #1 whining in the forums about being copied. It happens all the time.

    So if etsycallout starts posting links to all those “copying” shops, how will they have time for all the thousands of resellers?
    I’m way more concerned about the resellers giving etsy a bad name – which they already have – than someone hanging the same bead on an earwire that I did. The mass produced crap is taking over etsy.

    I don’t know anything about graphic design but I have seen tons of very similar stuff on etsy. Is it copied? I don’t know. Maybe like the post above, the designers are all just getting their designs from the same place.

    I just think resellers, mistaggers, problems with etsy admin and people who give terrible customer service and have tons of negative feedback, like frivoulouscottage up there, are more important than things that may or may not be copied.

    Sorry for my long and rambling opinion.

  93. Angel February 3, 2010 at 12:10 pm #

    I am of the opinion that artists who copy others is a very valid conversation to be having, but not at the tone it has dropped to.

    Also, what the hell is with attaching ‘lol’ to anything and everything? Are people really ‘lmao’ing’ over inane things? To me it is indicative of the complete opposite in these situations. Typing with rage but trying to convey a sense of “I’m above this all” with a pinch of passive-aggressive bitchy. That’s just bad business.

    Anyway. Back on topic. Sellers. The three p’s. Professionalism, professionalism, professionalism. Even if the world around you descends into childish taunts, you will never look better than maintaining the professional line. No matter the venue, you are always, ALWAYS, in a position to market yourself. There are ALWAYS potential clients. And if you step off that line, the only bottom line you are hurting is your own.

    While it is also very ego-lifting and nice that you have friends and clients who are willing to “get your back”, please also remember that in many situations, those same people can and do hold the same sort of professional sway to a potential customer as you do.

    Three P’s. Professionalism, professionalism, professionalism.

  94. sarah February 3, 2010 at 1:59 pm #

    I’ve got a question about being plagarized. A buyer purchased a vintage item from me, received it within three days of purchase and left me a neutral rating with no reason why. Being a new seller at the time I didn’t contact her to inquire why she was unhappy. She then resold the item using my pictures to someone else and received a positive rating. Is it a good idea to request a kiss and make up and mention it is against policy to use my photos??

  95. itstinks February 3, 2010 at 2:40 pm #

    My understanding is that you can only use the kiss and makeup feature when negatives are involved. But no one should ever use your pictures without permission.

  96. Suspicious February 3, 2010 at 4:53 pm #

    Marcy, *please* learn about kerning. It will help your graphics a huge amount. It hurts my eyes to see bad typography. Like, stings them. Bad.

  97. MarcyKay February 3, 2010 at 10:12 pm #

    I wasn’t gonna post here any more but what the heck…

    @ WoodenBoard

    In case you didn’t actually read my shop announcement, I was referring the convos that I had not replied to. AND, I think you misread somewhere, I didn’t say ANYTHING about having a harder life than anyone else here, I did say that whoever had stated that she knew how hard military life was because her FRIENDS are military spouses, could not really know what its like to be the one actually a spouse. I am NOT complaining about being one, and I am NOT saying my life is harder, so I really do not know where you are getting that. And not sure where you got the feeling that I’m playing the ” I’m better than you because my life sucks more card” … But like I have said before, I was saying with everything else I have going on in my life, I don’t have time to go thru all the other shops on etsy. I’m not trying to be rude, I’m just saying. People really blew that one little line I way out of context, and seems noone took it how I was meaning it.

    ———–

    “So this idea you’re suggesting–that no designer worries about permission when it comes to a free font–is not true at all. Professional designers tend to care alot.”

    I wasn’t saying that no designer worries about permission. It’s just that you can’t guarantee that a font you download has been uploaded by the original creator, so sometimes the “terms” may be lost. I totally agree that if you are aware that permission is required/requested to use something for commercial use, you should get permission, or in this case make a donation.

    ————————-

    @ Suspicious

    “Like”, noone is making you look, so if it stings so bad go look elsewhere =) I never claimed to know everything about graphics designing, it is impossible to know EVERYTHING. I have never taken classes for it, nor did I ever claim to. I just enjoy what I do, as it is stated in my profile. Having a degree or knowing all the technical terms does not make you creative, now does it? Besides, as others have stated this is supposed to be referring to copying, not insulting.

    ——

    Still bewilders me that none of this would have happened if I would have used a different letter from that font, but just because I used the same font (which IMO is the cutest out of the “Orcas” font set, which is why I used it) all this hostility and negativity has been sent my way.

  98. MarcyKay February 3, 2010 at 10:42 pm #

    So am I allowed to make a callout? Or since I’ve been “called out” does others word for word plagarizing me not count? I’ll probably get accused of copying her, but it’s worth a shot.

    A couple weeks ago it was brought to my attention by a client that this etsy shop had a listing up that looked exactly like mine, not meaning the photos/design, but the wording of the listing, as well as how the images were placed. (I’m going to use both of our sold listings to show since my shop is on vacation mode)

    ——

    This is MY item, sold back in December. Not the quote

    “Once I have recieved payment, I will send your set to your ETSY email address within 48 hours, usually sooner. If you want the set sent to another email address, include it in the notes to seller!”

    http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=23440795

    ———

    This is also MY design, first listed in the first week of January.

    http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=23815897

    Note the Photos of the set, the second and 3rd one….

    ————

    Ok, Now here is HER set, notice the quote I listed above is listed there, as well as her photos are placed EXACTLY the same way as mine.

    http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=24719542

    (if you look at some of my other sold sets you can see that she copied and pasted the entire thing, changing a couple words. But even my TYPOS (ie, recieved – oops! lol) Were copied….

    ———

    Strangely, I got a message a couple days after contacting the seller, to let her know I did not appreciate her using my wording WORD FOR WORD, below is the message I got

    “http://shutterfly.typepad.com/digiscrap/2009/01/index.html

    http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=38496577

    look a bit weird?

    what about this one?

    http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=38447499

    http://www.twopeasinabucket.com/shop/meredith-fenwick/85081-digikit-cutie-hootie-card-pack/?filters=digital-kits%2Fkit-price-free

    there’s also a few others she has stolen from…just letting you know fellow etsy artist! she steals!”

    ———————————–

    So wanna know what she says after I sent her that message confronting her?

    “Hi…i had my sister do up the listings for these..i am so sorry..i had no idea..i would NEVER copy someones listings EVER!.. I have never been to your shop…”

    …… and later states after I tell her a few of the shops that noticed she was copy and pasting reported her, that she has a very good friend that works for etsy and she says she has not been reported for anything…..

    ————

    I know she didn’t copy my design, but TO ME, how you present a design/item you are selling also has something to do with your sales. I took time to write that (as trivial as it may be out) listing out, and if me using the same FONT as another designer was wrong, than her COPY and PASTING my listing was wrong too…

    I also did a little research and I didn’t see any other shops that have the “new” banner and “new” avatar, I had added that as a special addition to my 2010 sets, so I thought it made mine a little unique, but I’m sure I’m wrong, I’m sure someone out there has thought of it too =)

  99. MadeByM**** February 4, 2010 at 6:42 am #

    itstinks…..you are right about what should be a priority here. I must say, though, there’s a little more thought and work that goes into “graphics” (when it’s your own idea) then hanging a charm on a chain or earwire so when you see very similar graphics from two different shops, it’s still a little more suspicious to me. But I will leave it at that. I don’t want to offend the jewelry makers. A charm on a chain doesn’t take much thought, but when you start getting into beading and attaching findings, etc., then real creativity and skill come into play. There is a difference. But like you said, getting the resellers out of Etsy is more important!

    Angel, that has been my belief since I started selling! I have on occasion tried to state my opinion when I’ve been on the forums (people shouldn’t swear on the forums as an example), but then I get attacked saying I don’t have the right to tell them how they should run their business, etc. I’ve gotten to the point now that I just say “screw it”. You want to sabotage yourself and your business, go right ahead, be my guest.

    As a wise person once told me, “just because you have the right to do something, doesn’t mean it’s right to do it”…………

  100. JajieBo February 4, 2010 at 6:46 am #

    From the header of this ECO entry: “There are many more copied listings as well. BOO!”
    I wanted to ask if this was indeed true, but as mentioned a few others here, I’ve been really put off by the whiny, desperate tone that this call-out has taken.
    If someone can give me a short, straight answer, I’d be much obliged! : ) Take care, all.

  101. Sherri February 4, 2010 at 6:52 am #

    MadeByM****: Right. The reason I was so angry about the copying was because I thought it was actually original artwork, not just a dingbat font. I’ve had work stolen in the past—it’s not a good feeling.

    I’m still convinced that one designer was at least “inspired” by the other—I’m just not convinced that it matters.

  102. MadeByM**** February 4, 2010 at 8:41 am #

    Sherri…..Etsy is full of “inspired” by another artist items!! Copying? Lots of times, it is. But, in Etsyland, changing it up just a touch changes it enough so it’s not copying. Don’t know if I always agree with that, but, I guess that’s why you can legally protect yourself if you choose to. I guess in this day and age, there’s not much that’s new/original anymore……that’s why they’ve resorted to making genital jewelry (sorry, couldn’t resist).

  103. Bedazzled VONdom February 4, 2010 at 8:49 am #

    MarcyKay, aka CutesyPIxels, aka “are you gonna eat that?” has now put her shop on vacation.

    Gee, I wonder why?

    (Don’t bother to post and tell me it’s because of her family issues. They haven’t slowed her down in the past.)

    “If someone can give me a short, straight answer, I’d be much obliged!”

    Scroll through her sold listings and compare them to those of the other, older, more established seller.

  104. Sherri February 4, 2010 at 9:04 am #

    @MadeByM**** Of course there’s a lot of inspiration in the art world—how else would you explain movements? And specifically in the Etsy realm: owls and the cowls, anyone?

    I’m just sayin’, with the choice of what are the odds of two artists choosing the EXACT same unicase font, and the EXACT same whale dingbat with similar colour palettes?

    You’re right, there’s not much that’s new or original today, but with the number of fonts out there that are free even for commercial use, I don’t think asking for a little bit of independent thought is too much to ask for. I guess it’s changed enough so there is no legal recourse, but it’s still not very ethical. It stinks.

    And so no one thinks that I’m completely ignoring the pettiskirt issue, I have flagged that item, and I’m sure the Etsy admin team will take that item down right away. /snark

  105. Sherri February 4, 2010 at 9:05 am #

    Oops. I mangled that second paragraph real good. It should read:

    “I’m just sayin’, what are the odds of two artists choosing the EXACT same unicase font, and the EXACT same whale dingbat with similar colour palettes?”

  106. Andrea February 4, 2010 at 9:13 am #

    Bedazzled, it would be awesome if you could come up with something to say that wasn’t an insult on Marcy’s looks, or wasn’t an implication that every poster disagreeing with your tactics is a sock puppet. Plenty has been left open for derision, it shows a real lack of intelligence and humor that you go straight for the jokes about sharpied eyebrows and weight.

    Marcy you need to educate yourself on the legalities of design, buy a couple of books, it’s not a matter of knowing everything, but you do need to know some things. As a designer I knew when I looked at the two whales that they were from a font or clip art set. When you’re talking about design selling for $12, it’s not original art. If it is, someone doesn’t value their art, and that is a whole different discussion.

  107. JajieBo February 4, 2010 at 9:23 am #

    Hm. Looks like CutesyPixels is definitely inspired by ErinBradleyDesigns… but if ErinBradley doesn’t care, then I won’t, either.

  108. MadeByM**** February 4, 2010 at 9:26 am #

    I totally agree with you Sherri! Looking at both “designs” side by side, I would never guess they were made by TWO different people. Like I said, what are the chances of them using the exact same font and whale AND color palette? And when you compare shops, the products have the same look to them.

    I flagged the “commerical made/not by hand” pettiskirts. I can’t believe they are still up!

  109. MadeByM**** February 4, 2010 at 9:30 am #

    She states the other seller doesn’t care, but until we actually hear from them, who’s to say she really contacted them. It will all come out in the wash…………

  110. JajieBo February 4, 2010 at 9:40 am #

    The pettiskirt seller is literally spelling out the fact that they aren’t handmade, and they’re STILL listed! Nice one, Etsy.

  111. Bedazzled VONdom February 4, 2010 at 10:00 am #

    “Bedazzled, it would be awesome if you could come up with something to say that wasn’t an insult on Marcy’s looks, or wasn’t an implication that every poster disagreeing with your tactics is a sock puppet.”

    Hmmm, do you see an “insult on (sic) Marcy’s looks” or an “implication that every poster disagreeing with your tactics (“tactics” wtf?) is a sock puppet” in my last post? Because I sure don’t.

    Perhaps you can be so kind as to point out where you read such things in the following?

    “MarcyKay, aka CutesyPIxels, aka “are you gonna eat that?” has now put her shop on vacation.

    Gee, I wonder why?

    (Don’t bother to post and tell me it’s because of her family issues. They haven’t slowed her down in the past.)

    “If someone can give me a short, straight answer, I’d be much obliged!”

    Scroll through her sold listings and compare them to those of the other, older, more established seller.”

    I’m sure you can enlighten me.

    Thanks a bunch!

    ;-}

  112. MarcyKay February 4, 2010 at 10:22 am #

    @ Andrea

    “When you’re talking about design selling for $12, it’s not original art. If it is, someone doesn’t value their art”

    Your advice is appreciated, but when it comes to that statement, no the whale, nor giraffes in erins shop, nor dinosaurs or lizards in my shop, no elephants in both our shops, are our original design. BUT alot of the other designs are (or at least I assume are on her part, like the owls, birds, and trees) Just because the designs are insanely priced doesn’t mean we do not value our own art, it means they are priced to sell, not rip off other shops =) I personally think it’s crazy when people list sets for $30, even $50 for just a few pieces that don’t take long to make. But hey, if people wanna pay those prices more power to them.

    @ MadeByM***

    If you don’t believe that I contacted her, why don’t you ask her yourself instead of accusing me of lying? I gave her the link to this blog too so she could see what was going on. Some of the things said would be insulting to her as well, so I don’t understand why everyone is acting like I am the only one using that stupid font.

    @ Bedazzled VONdom

    Maybe you should do your research before you start mess talking again. My shop was closed for 2 weeks last month, not that it is any of your business. So you have no room to say it has not stopped me in the past. Don’t feel special & think I closed it because of this nonsense.

    And hmmm I tried to post about another plagarizer and my comment hasn’t been approved, it’s funny how the “owner” of this blog has time to make posts starting drama, and not time to moderate it. Guess I’ll have to post on my own blog, since it should be addressed since it is BLATANT.

  113. MarcyKay February 4, 2010 at 10:23 am #

    Opps above I meant “AREN’T” insanely priced.
    =)

  114. Bedazzled VONdom February 4, 2010 at 11:02 am #

    “Guess I’ll have to post on my own blog, since it should be addressed since it is BLATANT.”

    Is this your business related blog? I ask because posting such on a business related blog is a surefire way to call attention to your *own* copying/stealing/plagiarism as well as an excellent way to boost your sales and demonstrate your elevated level of maturity.

    In other words, don’t disappoint us now. Go for it!

    ;-}

  115. MadeByM**** February 4, 2010 at 12:10 pm #

    Until we hear the other party’s statement that they don’t care, it is just hearsay.

    hearsay ( ) n. Unverified information heard or received from another; rumor.

    Just wanting proof. I was NOT calling you a liar.

    If you and/or the other seller truly design your own graphics and it’s just coincidence that both of your products look very similar, than there’s no reason for you to keep coming back here to defend yourself. It’s between you and your conscience.

    “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.” = you tend not to believe a person because they insist too strongly that something is not true …

    Now, if it were me, I wouldn’t be wasting my time on here! I would be spending it with my husband and family before he deploys…

  116. JajieBo February 4, 2010 at 2:30 pm #

    ^^^ Yes.

  117. MarcyKay February 4, 2010 at 7:47 pm #

    @ Bedazzled
    Why are you concerned with which blog I post it on?
    And really, who are YOU to be talking about maturity? That’s kinda humorous, especially since I am obviously not the only one that has noticed your lack there of.

    Interesting how just because I get “called out” about some nonsense, means that me having proof of an ACTUAL act of plagarism means nothing, that this other seller should be allowed to get by with it? Knowing full well that if I had found this blog last week before I was ever post it, people would definitely want to hear what it is I have to say…

    Yep, this blog really benefits the etsy community.
    What a joke.

  118. Angel February 5, 2010 at 12:55 am #

    I suspect that if the owner of the blog truly was moderating out seller comments, they’d have started a while back with more important and larger issues. But by all means, continue to repeatedly bitch about your comment not appearing instead of, you know, re-posting it after a suitable time frame has passed (allowing for the fact that no one in their right mind sits for hours on end with their email open just waiting for a comment to moderate).

    This blog benefits me. I am a buyer. I am the target market of this blog. I am also YOUR target market.

    Professionalism, professionalism, professionalism.

  119. Voice February 5, 2010 at 9:10 am #

    Marcy, comments with links automatically get moderated, did yours have a link?

    And I see you opted not to take the “let it die quickly” approach to this issue… what a shame. This could have blown over so quickly but you don’t seem able to stay away. For your own good, please shut up.

  120. Bedazzled VONdom February 5, 2010 at 10:54 am #

    “Why are you concerned with which blog I post it on?”

    Concerned? I’m amused, hon, not concerned.

    Please don’t stop.

    ;-}

  121. Kirsty February 5, 2010 at 4:00 pm #

    I would just like to add i think it’s quite hilarious the amount of people who buy photoshop and then think they are a graphic designer….

  122. PussDaddy February 5, 2010 at 8:11 pm #

    Yes hire DesignedByLucinda’s Business Letters shop. She knows so much that most of her listings weren’t even allowed to be sold and had to be taken down.

  123. me February 6, 2010 at 9:08 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=40187160
    looks like the listing posted for the pettiskirt sold, despite many peoples attempt to flag it. try flagging this one and we’ll see if it actually gets taken down.

  124. jeweledmd February 7, 2010 at 2:10 am #

    Make me sick. Etsy FAIL.

  125. Bedazzlemyass February 8, 2010 at 1:41 pm #

    Wow

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