Treasury Mafia

9 Feb

It all started when I saw an item on the front page of Etsy and clicked on it. It led me to this seller’s shop:

http://www.etsy.com/shop/lisaburkin

I was surprised when I read her shop announcement:

“Stop by for a look at my work in the new Treasury:
http://www.etsy.com/treasury_list_west.php?room_id=86242
http://www.etsy.com/treasury_list_west.php?room_id=86148
http://www.etsy.com/treasury_list_west.php?room_id=86281
http://www.etsy.com/treasury_list_west.php?room_id=86195
http://www.etsy.com/treasury_list_west.php?room_id=86135
http://www.etsy.com/treasury_list.php?room_id=111594
http://www.etsy.com/treasury_list.php?room_id=111968
http://www.etsy.com/treasury_list_west.php?room_id=85966
http://www.etsy.com/treasury_list_west.php?room_id=85902
http://www.etsy.com/treasury_list_west.php?room_id=86009
http://www.etsy.com/treasury_list.php?room_id=111428
http://www.etsy.com/treasury_list.php?room_id=111270
http://www.etsy.com/treasury_list.php?room_id=111315
http://www.etsy.com/treasury_list.php?room_id=111286”

What? She’s featured in 14 treasuries?!? All at once? Is that possible? Well, I checked Craftopolis and sure enough, she’s in 14 treasuries. The crazy part was when I began searching the 14 Etsy members who created those treasuries. I found that they too, were in many treasuries ALL AT ONCE.

http://craftopolis.com/index.php?user=blueroseretro&com=th&x=47&y=14
http://craftopolis.com/index.php?user=fallinstyle&com=th&x=0&y=0
http://craftopolis.com/index.php?user=brownbunnybyiris&com=th&x=40&y=15
http://craftopolis.com/index.php?user=shecological&com=th&x=0&y=0
http://craftopolis.com/index.php?user=maisyandalice&com=th&x=0&y=0
http://craftopolis.com/index.php?user=stonz&com=th&x=0&y=0
http://craftopolis.com/index.php?user=paulaart&com=th&x=0&y=0
http://craftopolis.com/index.php?user=decoratethediva&com=th&x=0&y=0
http://craftopolis.com/index.php?user=southstreet&com=th&x=0&y=0
http://craftopolis.com/index.php?user=loveartworks&com=th&x=0&y=0
http://craftopolis.com/index.php?user=anakim&com=th&x=0&y=0

Oh my:

http://craftopolis.com/index.php?user=sharonclancydesigns&com=th&x=0&y=0

And the whopper:

http://craftopolis.com/index.php?user=aforfebre&com=th&x=0&y=0

Yes, that last shop is in 35 treasuries all at once!

And this thing is exponential. If you search the people who made the 35 treasuries, you’ll find that they are in a bunch as well. And it goes on and on and on. Now, I understand that treasury people become friends, and friends love to feature each other. But something tells me this isn’t right. And it’s definitely not fair. Are people buying treasury spots? Is there some sort of treasury club? What is going on here?

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200 Responses to “Treasury Mafia”

  1. Lu February 9, 2010 at 10:26 am #

    hmmm I saw a couple of thread talking about buying treasury spots…..if it’s true nobody asked me so far!

  2. tsktsk February 9, 2010 at 10:32 am #

    Treasuries have been a joke for quite a while. For all the unfairness people yell at the ones created by etsy admin, you’d think they’d be freaking out at the bribes, freebies, and payments people are swapping for them!

  3. Life During Wartime February 9, 2010 at 10:49 am #

    THE ETSY TREASURY CARTEL SCANDAL and THE SECRET ETSY TREASURY PACT….made for teevee movies coming soon.

    I know it’s not funny, but not really unexpected either.

  4. Noel February 9, 2010 at 11:18 am #

    That last seller you linked to has made the front page 82 times in less than six months! Holy Cow!

  5. prozillian February 9, 2010 at 11:20 am #

    These curators keep using each other in their treasuries because it because it works. You sort of can’t blame them —-etsy is supporting what they do, so they keep doing it. You know? Their goal is to promote each other—- they’re not interested in showcasing new shops or anything. They use the same people in all of their treasuries because it works for them and they’re lazy. It’s very incestuous. Etsy has to start showing treasuries of unknowns, and new shops, and use the curators who use the unknowns and new shops in their treasuries. That’s what they have to do. It’s up to Etsy.

    I have no doubt that most of these people go to craftcult and see which curators have made recent fp treasuries, and then they include those people in their own treasuries. I had a treasury myself that made the fp a while ago, and the next day I was in 20 treasuries. What a joke. It’s all just a big fat circle jerk.

  6. slumberanddreams February 9, 2010 at 12:41 pm #

    Whenever I make a treasury, what I include is only there because I truly like an item. I definitely do take a look through my favorites to see if anything fits with the theme I’ve chosen, but I certainly don’t choose items so that others will feature me, and I don’t pick things I’ve seen on the front page. What’s new and exciting about that? I want to see unique, original treasuries and FPs that are full of things the curator truly loved!

  7. MadeByM**** February 9, 2010 at 2:06 pm #

    It’s a conspiracy, I tell ya’!

    I’ve given up on Etsy as a place to sell handmade. An artist’s community. And whatever else they’ve coined themselves. It’s just a big mall in suburbia now with the “big stores” promoted by the mall and the rest of the little guys left to fend for themselves. I’ll just pay my rent and make sure I only buy from sellers that don’t play the “games”.

  8. etsyfan February 9, 2010 at 2:40 pm #

    Hi all i am new to this etsy stuff just have a quick question. If you are a designer with a line of your own designs sewn by a team is this considered wrong? if so why?

    thanks for responding

  9. Em February 9, 2010 at 4:07 pm #

    Etsyfan-
    I think that’s a tricky situation. Your shop would have to be declared a collective shop; that is, a shop run by both you and those who actually make the items. It’s because the term “handmade” on Etsy generally means “handmade by you.” The rules are such to control reselling (selling items not made by yourself).

    I’d contact Etsy and ask them so you can get a more official answer. I’d also read the Do’s and Don’ts regarding listing if you haven’t already: http://www.etsy.com/dosdonts.php#handmade

    Hope that helps.

  10. uh-huh February 9, 2010 at 5:32 pm #

    They’ve figured out how to work the system, plain and simple. And the system loves it.

  11. Dee February 9, 2010 at 5:45 pm #

    Sign me up! How do I get in with this group of people? Or is this a team? What are the requirements?

  12. Awesomesauce February 9, 2010 at 6:20 pm #

    It’s a secret cult! In order to join, you must have purchased something vagina themed within the last two weeks, an Item of beaded jewellery, as well as a cushion with a felt appliqe of some sort of bird sillhouette. According to ancient Etsian tradition, you must then chant; “One of us, one of us, one of us” while wearing/holding all your inane hipster items. You will then magically be featured on the front page, and become the queen/king of treasuries!
    Or at least that’s what I heard….

  13. Jewels February 9, 2010 at 7:05 pm #

    Long time lurker, first time poster…

    I’ve never been on the FP myself, but I DO belong to a few teams on Etsy, and all team mates go to great effort to showcase each other in treasuries. Could this be why? Could these sellers all be on the same teams?

    Oh, and thanks for the laugh Awesomesauce. Sadly, I STILL can’t figure out why my beaded jewelry isn’t selling more successfully on Etsy than it is now. Perhaps if I added a vagina theme? :p

  14. Lurker 2 February 9, 2010 at 7:06 pm #

    There’s no crime in putting your friends or acquaintances in your treasuries.

  15. jenjasmine February 9, 2010 at 7:10 pm #

    etsyfan,

    Just hire people to sew your bags, and then put them on a chain, and VOILA- an etsy appropriate item.

    Hey, it works for the charm on a chain people, whose charms and chains are made not by them.

  16. jenjasmine February 9, 2010 at 7:12 pm #

    As to the original topic. I was asked to join a treasury team, and I told them I don’t have time to make treasuries. Boy, was *that* a stupid move.

  17. me February 9, 2010 at 7:50 pm #

    there are “bnr” treasures, i forget what that stands for, but if you buy something from one of them, one of your items is put in that place. some people have a lot of success with these. that could be what she’s doing… who knows!

  18. Em February 9, 2010 at 8:11 pm #

    I don’t even care about treasuries anymore. If these people are planning who is in their treasuries this much, then that’s kind of ridiculous. I’ve been in a couple, and would like to be in more, but I’m not going to spend my time looking for who is most likely to get on the front page instead of who’s stuff I actually like.

  19. prozillian February 9, 2010 at 8:23 pm #

    Half of the people in that list are related to each other, you know. Sisters, daughters, moms, cousins, aunts.

  20. WTFISAPDF February 9, 2010 at 8:34 pm #

    sharonclancydesigns treasuries always make the front page, even when they suck.
    Two left hands and humble bea are a mother/daughter team. Oh, and not only treasuries, but one, the other or both are in the voter quite a bit.

    The conspiracy continues.

  21. Voice February 9, 2010 at 10:23 pm #

    Add these shops to your list of “you feature me, I’ll feature you, ad nauseam” bullshit:

    ayawedding
    steinschmuckdesign
    OneClayBead
    theBeadAerie
    LaTouchables
    ThongbaiTatong
    MarKhed
    malam
    vilte
    moonovermaize
    RollingHillsVintage
    ThePeachTree (seriously, those are NOT good pictures, so much for that myth)
    birribe
    nuali
    JKPhotography
    CocoaBeans
    ozetta
    fleurfatale
    GetReadySetGo
    sigmosaics
    iragranteco
    GlazedOver

    Etc. etc. etc. It’s gotten so bad that when I spot an FP made by one of these sellers (and some of the ones listed in the OP) I know without even looking that at least 3-8 of the items will be from sellers on this list. I’ve even seen FPs that have ONLY sellers from the “treasury mafia.”

    No, this is not just a matter of team members featuring each other the way some teams do. I’m on a team, and we do team treasuries sometimes, but there is not the constant repetition like you see with these sellers — some of these people will feature the exact same sellers from three to eight times a month! That is not a coincidence, it’s deliberate.

    I have lost respect for every one of them, because they are doing it purposefully — as someone said, they have figured out how to game the system. It’s sad, really, because Etsy should be about creativity — doesn’t take much creativity at all to just pick each other all the time. I admire those who put together treasuries by finding new items and new shops, not these same tired old examples. No creativity, and no shame.

    And to add insult to injury — just go look at how many times these exact shops get picked to be in Etsy curated FPs. It’s not enough that they dominate by curating so many treasuries (many will have one main treasury and one t-west at the same time), being included so many times in each others’ treasuries, and then having their treasuries picked for the FP.

    I hope if Etsy carries through on revamping the front page and the treasury system that they figure out a way to keep this from happening again. And I sincerely hope that should that happen, these sellers’ sales will be fucked.

  22. Sarah February 9, 2010 at 11:15 pm #

    I doubt this was managed with a bnr, especially not with so many FP appearances. The first treasury I was ever included in was a bnr (the feeling is not unlike getting Valentine’s flowers from your mom, you know inside that it doesn’t count), and I took one look at it and knew it’s wasn’t going to be my path to front page stardom, anything that people can buy their way into isn’t going to achieve that special hipster FP quality.

    Also, thank you for the laugh Awesomesauce! I’m off to buy the necessary ritual items (I’m not too proud to admit that I’d jump at the chance to be made in a mafia like this, if Etsy’s not going to curb it, then I’d like to being benefiting from it, it’s not like ultra tag stuffing or selling slave-labor crap).

  23. jane February 9, 2010 at 11:23 pm #

    They’re called Treasury addicts and if you made them on a regular basis, you would understand, you jealous loser idiot, with nothing better to do. It’s a community built on Treasuries and no one is payin’ NO ONE no money to be in them!!!

    Get a fucking LIFE! You people are insane + lazy, except for the massive amount of hating you have to spread around.

  24. Amused February 9, 2010 at 11:46 pm #

    I was thrilled to recently be featured in a treasury and left a very nice detailed comment. The next day I checked back and felt skeevy when I saw that four of the items had become the curator’s. I edited my comment and couldn’t wait for the damn thing to expire. Ick!

  25. Kirsi February 10, 2010 at 3:19 am #

    So, jane, are they addicted to making treasuries or to be in them? Is this addiction interfering their normal day-to-day life? Maybe they are using each other every time, so they can get their fix faster, and it won’t interfere so much?

    *waiting for the all-caps shitstorm from the listed shops and their friends*

  26. JonhCocktoasten February 10, 2010 at 5:26 am #

    Holy cowl.

  27. prozillian February 10, 2010 at 5:45 am #

    And there they all are on the fp right now….lol! (the 8 AM treasury) —– All the people in the list above, and all the people who are mentioned here — http://etsyblacklisted.blogspot.com/

  28. uh-huh February 10, 2010 at 6:53 am #

    Yes indeed, mass promo at 8am.
    http://www.craftcult.com/vault_list.php?list=8910

  29. Stacey February 10, 2010 at 6:59 am #

    Brand new “TIffany’s” jewelry…….
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/fex007

  30. Celeste (Crickets): Fringies Prop Designer February 10, 2010 at 8:48 am #

    Yes, there may be a select, few fp regulars who are included in treasuries in the hopes that they’ll carry the treasury to fp. I don’t think they’re paying their way in, though; they don’t have to.

    I’m very frequently in 20 treasuries, more or less, and this was before I even started making treasuries and before I joined any teams that are heavy on treasury-making. I simply list a lot of items in a LOT of different themes and colors and take the very best photos of which I am capable.

    And, no, I’m not an Etsy darling and when I do occasionally make the fp, it’s almost always during low traffic hours. So, there’s no evil plot or conspiracy to why I’m in so many treasuries, and I meet lots of new curators of whom I’ve never heard when I check my craftopolis results, so it’s not just my buddies.

    I think the responsibility rests squarely on Etsy admin’s shoulders to choose a more diverse range of treasuries. The post above complains that someone is in 35 treasuries. That leaves over 700 treasuries from main treasury alone that do NOT include this person, admin could easily choose one of those if they wanted.

    Peace,
    Celeste (Crickets)

  31. prozillian February 10, 2010 at 9:04 am #

    “I think the responsibility rests squarely on Etsy admin’s shoulders to choose a more diverse range of treasuries.’

    YES. Exactly. You can’t fault these sellers for gaming the system when Etsy is allowing them to. This is not the fault of the sellers, even tho I personally find their ways sleazy. It’s Etsy who is at fault here.

  32. puff February 10, 2010 at 9:23 am #

    There are quite a number of sellers I see repeated in each others treasuries – in addition to the peach, glitz glitter & getreadyset theres always waterose, and factorygirl.
    all their items are very nice but there are so many sellers to choose from. I know as soon as I see a treasury curated by one of them at least 2 or 3 of the others will be included.

    And to the person who so eloquently said “get a fucking life” I wouldn’t say that watching the craftopolis clock all the time for treasury openings equates to a life either. To each his own.

    It is up to Admin to pick the FP, and it is so easy to check the crafcult feature page against the ones you are interested in. Oh, some sellers have been on the FP already this week/day? Then don’t use those treasuries! Pretty easy.

    Otherwise, get rid of treasury all together just like the GG, because it is being abused.

  33. Amy February 10, 2010 at 12:05 pm #

    I like making treasuries and I don’t see the big deal – sometimes i feature people then they might feature you back. It’s hardly a crime.

  34. forum rubbernecker February 10, 2010 at 12:07 pm #

    They almost certainly pick the front page by curator. A friend of mine said she was told they don’t pick by title, so what’s left?

  35. Kirsi February 10, 2010 at 12:51 pm #

    “And to the person who so eloquently said “get a fucking life” I wouldn’t say that watching the craftopolis clock all the time for treasury openings equates to a life either. To each his own.”

    I guess that’s the “treasury addict” part 🙂

    I also think it’s the FP picking admins responsibility what ends up on the FP. And I don’t see why they should even need to compare their features to Craftcult, unless they have some serious brain damage. If you’ve featured someone so many times, you shouldn’t have a problem remembering it…

  36. puff February 10, 2010 at 1:01 pm #

    LOL, that’s why I suggested they use craftcult. They obviously “forget” they have featured sellers over & over again in the same week

  37. Voice February 10, 2010 at 1:05 pm #

    This goes waaaay beyond “sometimes I feature people then they might feature you (sic) back” — would you choose the same seller over and over again?

    Go run a Vault search on steinschmuckdesign and look at the FP treasuries she has curated. Click on a few and notice how many times you see LaTouchables, vilte, anakim, ThePeachTree, malam, etc. And that’s just one of the sellers engaging in this.

  38. uh-huh February 10, 2010 at 1:15 pm #

    It would appear (looking in the vault) that certain individuals’ Treasuries hit the front page almost every single time they make a Treasury. Well holy shit, isn’t that just “lucky”.

  39. woodsmoke February 10, 2010 at 1:47 pm #

    I was in chat and someone came in and offered gifts if you put them into a treasury. They were also making a treasury and if you went and looked at the treasury you would be entered into a draw for a prize. This may not be exactly buying but it comes awfully darn close.

  40. prozillian February 10, 2010 at 2:18 pm #

    You guys can name names. This isn’t Etsy. This is called “Callin’ Out” for a reason 🙂

  41. Esther February 10, 2010 at 3:22 pm #

    Wow… some of those names you wrote there are really cool people, very professional and hard working gals.
    I know at least three from that list and they are wonderful, nothing close to a “mafia”.

    Honestly, the “mafia” thing sounds a bit ridiculous (no offense intended). I´ve checked it and most of those sellers there belong to the same team, that´s probably why they are always featured in X number of treasuries.

    I see your point but harming these shops because they have learned to work together won´t increase your sales… Besides, if they make FP so frequently how come their sales are so low? Some of these sellers have been there forever, so it´s surprising. Maybe FP is not always related to sales? (This is just a thought I´m saying).

    Guys, I feel that calling out good sellers (I can only speak for the ones I know, but they are not resellers and follow Etsy´s rules, etc) is like COPS chasing the good guys…

    This is just my opinion and obvioulsy, you don´t have to agree.

  42. Gila February 10, 2010 at 4:44 pm #

    Man… Seriously? A mafia? Get real – those are just people that spend insane amounts of time hunting for and filling treasuries.

    Voice’s “list”? Many of those are part of the European Street Team, which is really active – and meant to promote the Europeans on Etsy. So that is what? Ilegal? Enough to blacklist anything?

    I don’t get the hate and insanity here.

  43. ginger February 10, 2010 at 5:47 pm #

    Yeah, I know at least three of those sellers, and I’ve seen how they work a bit–I would say that they are hard-core promoters, and they do include their friends. I didn’t really know how this worked until I befriended one and bought from another (neither with the intention of getting into treasuries–I didn’t know that was their thing at the time), and suddenly started showing up in their treasuries. I think they see their treasuries as a way to give back to people they like.

    Where’s the fault in that? If the Etsy team chooses to be lazy and feature the same curators over and over, that’s on Etsy. These sellers have found a way to make the system work for them, and they’ve decided to share that with people they like. It’s not a mafia, for Pete’s sake, and it’s no reason to blacklist anyone, just for exploiting a shitty system.

    I honestly wish this blog would stop getting distracted by these sorts of gossipy side-issues and focus on calling out legitimate rule-breakers.

  44. Gila February 10, 2010 at 5:57 pm #

    @ Ginger & Esther – I agree. I sometimes feel as if this turned into Etsy Bitches, with the constant calling out of very good handmade sellers.

    Why not concentrate on the resellers, eBay idiots and vintage fakes? That’s a real problem… not who makes it to the frontpage, is in a treasury or gift guide or happens to have tags that people don’t agree with.

  45. etsycallout February 10, 2010 at 6:23 pm #

    wow Esther, lighten up. You mean we really titled this “mafia” because we really believe they are an underground criminal society?? Oh shame on us. You really need some lessons in tongue in cheek little one.

  46. Em February 10, 2010 at 6:53 pm #

    This is a problem, because although these frequently-featured sellers have a good product, there is a plethora of other sellers who are just as deserving, yet aren’t included because they’re not one of the lucky chosen few.

    And this isn’t just for calling out resellers; if you read, it says “and other hot topics.” Maybe this isn’t the most pressing issue, but it’s just another one of Etsy’s faults that needs to be pointed out.

  47. ginger February 10, 2010 at 7:57 pm #

    Em, I agree that it’s a problem–I just don’t think it’s fair to call out the individual sellers, who aren’t breaking any rules and may actually be doing everything right.

  48. Voice February 10, 2010 at 8:37 pm #

    ginger says:
    I just don’t think it’s fair to call out the individual sellers, who aren’t breaking any rules and may actually be doing everything right.
    ********

    Letter of the law vs. spirit of the law comes to mind here… some things may be Etsy legal, doesn’t make them right. Looking for loopholes is not something principled sellers do.

    Notice that I for one have not called out any shops who frequently make the FP but who do not curate treasuries full of the same sellers constantly. Yes, it’s possible to end up on the FP often enough without ever playing these games, and I would not call out such sellers. Not that they would care, probably — they are too busy off being successful, instead of sitting in front of their computers waiting to snag a treasury every two days.

    But these folks who stalk the treasury — often grabbing two at once (one main, one t-west — again, legal, but not very cool when so many others would love a shot at curating) — and then just stuff them full of their friends shops every time they get one are just about as self-centered and selfish as can be. And again, lacking in imagination — how hard is it to make a treasury when all you have to do is grab the same seller (or even the same item, sometimes two or three times in a row!) and stick them in the treasury? Get off your lazy butts and go find some fresh and amazing talent to feature, Etsy is crawling with it!

  49. IngerMaaike February 11, 2010 at 12:27 am #

    For the risk of putting my foot in here I will chance a reaction anyway. People in certain teams will feature eachother, no harm in that as far as I see. That is part of the point of being in a team.
    What is highlighted here are the ones that make it to the fp. In this team a huge number of people make treasuries, only a small portion of these go anywhere. But since it is a big team chances are you will see treasuries made by them now and again. I take offence that people would call out and accuse on the basis of a false premise. The vast majority of treasury makers operate alone and thus do not seem to stand out in the crowd. If you think that through hard work and dedication our team makes a huge number of treasuries it is not odd they are seen more often. This is not cheating nor abusing the system, this is good teamwork. I find it very telling that there are people who find it necessary to rant and rage about it…Put the time you spend on snooping them out towards setting up a team and running it so you too can make huge numbers of treasuries together…that would be a much better use of your time.
    So let the kicking me down begin, as this is what I feel is the point of these endless discussions on these subjects..

  50. enchantedhue February 11, 2010 at 1:11 am #

    …seriously, do you guys have nothing better to do than stalk fellow artists and document their treasury creating? How much time must it take to check the treasury list, look up the curator in craftcult, copy and paste the links and post them on a blog, or whatever else you do with this information?

    Put your jealousy aside and consider this: we create treasuries to showcase each others’ items because it is another outlet of creativity. Coming up with an interesting theme, finding artful photos of unique items, putting them together just so… it’s like a painting. I know I have my favorite sellers whose items I use repeatedly, but that has nothing to do with mafiosi tactics, but with the fact that they appeal to my taste. Sure I favor team members, and sure I have curated T’s that feature team members only. But this was within a theme. Like inger said: it’s all about good teamwork.

    Instead of whining so much about never being picked for a Treasury and never making it to the Front Page (which is overrated anyway, or so I’ve heard) look at the treasuries you so damn, take tips from the curating, and go make your own beautiful treasuries!

    A much better outlet than putting down success.

    Plus, just so you know, negative publicity is publicity nevertheless, so expect the sellers you put on your so-called blacklist to appear in even more treasuries – you might just have shot yourself in the foot!!

  51. Susan Paine February 11, 2010 at 1:17 am #

    I agree with IngerMaaike…Europe is not one small state or town and the European Team covers the whole of the European Continent including the U.K. and Eire. We support and encourage each other and given our separations that in itself is nothing short of amazing…Geographically we are huge but on Etsy we are just a drop in the ocean. I cannot believe that our use of the Treasuries could be considered abuse. Out of the total number of Treasuries at any one time how many are European promoting fellow Europeans?How many European FP’s over, say, one month compared to Non-European FP’s.
    This “calling out” is ridiculous and rather sad.

  52. Mitsy/ArtMind February 11, 2010 at 1:46 am #

    Ha! Can’t believe I’m not on the list! *Hmpf* 🙂
    I smile and move on when I see things like this and I advise everyone else to do the same. This is just (a bad) joke… 🙂

  53. JKphotography February 11, 2010 at 4:34 am #

    Aah, I’m in it. Wow, I’m now a maffia girl officially:))

    Ah, well, all i do is TRYING to promote my fellow teammembers. Most of the time I don’t succeed, it is rare I can help my fellow artists tio a FP but when I do, I’m happy. When I repeat people it is only to increase their chance for a FP, that is all. You are calling out here on me and my shop. I take offence on that. And after that I move on. Promoting as many of my teammembers and new shops as well and often not teammembers at all.
    Cold greetz from me!!

  54. Max February 11, 2010 at 5:28 am #

    Actually, there is a treasury mafia, and it’s not hard to identify.

    The Treasury Team:
    http://team.etsy.com/viewteam.php?id=454

    There also is the group called Etsy Front Pagers that has a lot of those same shops (& runs the flickr page).

    But the bottom line is, if Admins weren’t such naive suckers who reward this group spamming of the treasury, it wouldn’t matter what the sellers do.

    All Admin would have to do is stop picking their fp treasuries from these known treasury spammers, and most of the “favoritism” and “fp repeats” would miraculously end.

  55. Max February 11, 2010 at 5:36 am #

    And to ingermaaike and enchantedhue:

    You are correct that teams should promote each other in the treasuries.

    The issue is that most teams are regional or medium based, promoting artists using a particular craft or in a particular location (even a broad location like Europe) – but the Treasury Team’s sole function is to own as many treasury spots as they possibly can (basically, spam the system with hundreds of their product links in a methodical manner), thereby positioning themselves to also own the front page via the lazy admin picks.

    I think there’s a big difference between like-minded artists helping each other promote via the treasury, vs. like-minded strategists helping each other monopolize the venue.

    Not necessarily against the rules, but Admin shouldn’t fall for that behavior and reward it, at the expense of the thousands of other artists and the buyers who want to see variety.

  56. Gila February 11, 2010 at 5:41 am #

    @ Max – at least half of the people that Voice called out here are members of the EST. That is just not right…. It is just a really great team with active, wonderful, talentd members. That means they need to be “blacklisted”?

    Why are we picking on successful sellers and handmade artists that stick to the rules? Why aren’t we concentrating on the resellers and vintage fakes?

    I am so, so sick of this continuous FP, GG and whatever jealousy…

  57. CMOM February 11, 2010 at 6:12 am #

    “I think there’s a big difference between like-minded artists helping each other promote via the treasury, vs. like-minded strategists helping each other monopolize the venue.”

    Well said Max!!!!

  58. CMOM February 11, 2010 at 6:22 am #

    It’s not jealousy that drives posters to this site… it’s sheer frustration!!!! It’s so hard to get noticed on Etsy at all and it just twists the knife in a little more each time the same sellers are promoted on the front page or shopping guides. Same goes when resellers are promoted!

    I bet that I am like a lot of you out there – work full-time in an uncreative job to support your family and craft part-time to keep sane – and I just want to have satisfied customers who enjoy owning something that I made with my own two hands.

    I guess we should all suck it up and realize that there will always be an “in crowd” everywhere you go and there is nothing that you can do about it.

  59. Gila February 11, 2010 at 6:58 am #

    One thing has to be logical – doing Etsy/ crafting full-time means more exposure on Etsy. I will be listing or renewing 5-10 items a day in different categories, plus time spent promoting the shop.

    As an occasional crafter, you can compete with full-time shops – if you drive your own traffic to your shop, are really good at getting exposure or renewing/ listing more than you craft.

    These kinds of posts often imply that it is immoral to be successful as a crafter and doing this full-time. Why? Isn’t this what we all want to do?

  60. Amy February 11, 2010 at 7:14 am #

    I am a member of the UK thread and frequently put the same sellers in treasuries. sometimes they make the fp. this is often reciprocated. there is no malice involved – it just promotes sellers i chat to and like.

    And talking of monopolizing is stupid – anyone can get a treasury. just because they do you can’t be jealous. Maybe it is strategic but we are all a business – if they find that is a successful way of promoting then good for them.

    If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em!

  61. uh-huh February 11, 2010 at 7:27 am #

    Anyone can get a Treasury, not everyone can get on the FP. Some curators get on the FP everytime. They must be magical. Oh, is that my “jealousy” talking? My bad.

  62. Em February 11, 2010 at 7:36 am #

    Here comes the big, bad j-word. Notice how that gets thrown around anytime someone feels threatened?

  63. Amy February 11, 2010 at 7:43 am #

    I have made treasuries that make the fp – not all the time – every now and then. I don’t think i am a favourite of admin or anything. I’d like to think i make nicely curated treasuries.

    Maybe I just don’t buy into this conspiracy. I mean the more treasuries you make and the more you are featured in the more likely you are to make the FP.

    I also notice that a lot of them are European sellers – the europe street team are really big on treasuries – i have chatted on their thread a few times and whenever the treasury opens about 20 of them snag treasuries – featuring each other. So the odds of one of them getting to the FP is probably quite high.

  64. Celeste (Crickets): Fringies Prop Designer February 11, 2010 at 8:22 am #

    I recently joined the Etsy Treasury Team. We have a lot of fun making treasuries (and by the way, only half the treasury need be of teamies to “count” as a team treasury, so we include lots and lots of other artists outside the team, as well)!

    The sole purposes of the team are to support one another and have fun making treasuries. We extremely rarely have team treasuries picked for the front page (one this week was the first since summer 2009).

    One need only make one team treasury a month to be a member of the team. The team has way less than a hundred members. That’s hardly monopolizing!

    There is no cap on the number of treasuries that can be made when the treasuries open (it was close to a thousand the other day!), so anyone can play in treasury land, it’s open to all who are willing to create collections and submit them at the right time.

    Oh, and I should mention, I have never had a treasury that I curated make it to the front page. So if this is all a tactic or plot, it’s not working! 😛

    So again, I think the real issue is etsy admin front page favoritism, not whether this team or that makes a lot of treasuries or whether certain people are included in a lot of treasuries. I hope that etsy admin seriously reviews and overhauls how they select items and treasuries for the front page.

    Respectfully submitted,
    Celeste (Crickets)

  65. groove lab February 11, 2010 at 9:17 am #

    “Not necessarily against the rules, but Admin shouldn’t fall for that behavior and reward it, at the expense of the thousands of other artists and the buyers who want to see variety.”

    YES YES YES YES YES! Beautifully said.

    This is 10000 percent Etsy’s doing – the animosity and the rift.

    There are too many unbelievable treasuries made every week for Etsy to continue picking treasuries made by the same teams, with the same items, same people, and same mediocre photographs. What a bunch of lazy people admin are, to continue just picking names they recognize from the treasury lists instead of exploring a little. Rokali has said recently that admin involvement in picking fp treasuries is going to be minimized in the near future. Which sounds good at first, but that means that…..who exactly, is going to be picking them? If it’s Etsians, well then, it’s going to continue to be a clusterfuck and an even worse popularity contest than it is now. I for one really look forward to seeing them done a different way.

  66. Rita February 11, 2010 at 10:01 am #

    Does the jealousy help anyone?

    Do you do your best in promoting your and your team mates’ work?

    If you’d feature my work in a Treasury I’d do my best featuring a work of you in my next one. Yes, it takes much work and time to get T’s regularly and fill them beautifully. But what is wrong with it?

  67. Life During Wartime February 11, 2010 at 11:05 am #

    I have flash blocked on my computer, so I never see treasuries at all.

    The case has been made in the comments, I think, that there is nothing conspiratorial about making treasuries that include friends and/or street team mates. What are the teams doing about vetting their promotional treasuries to avoid items not allowed on Etsy? What are the teams doing to mentor team members about good tagging practices and removing Etsy illegal items from their shops? I think resellers who are called out here should have any team(s) they belong to mentioned in the call out as well.

    Maybe the community should start expecting more from the teams than just promotion?

  68. MadeByM**** February 11, 2010 at 11:25 am #

    Gawd, the jealousy card again! No one is jealous here! Get that through your heads!!!!

    We are tired of the R-U-L-E-B-R-E-A-K-E-R-S and how they get away with it and the favoritism!

    Now, as to the treasuries………I’m sure there a legitimate treasury makers/teams out there that are creating treasuries with new sellers, etc. But, when there are statistics that prove that there are treasuries used for the FP that are made by the same curators and/or sellers over and over, well, again, that’s called favoritism, which equals free promotion of their individual shops! That’s the issue!

  69. CMOM February 11, 2010 at 12:06 pm #

    LDW – well said!!

  70. Marie from Markhed February 11, 2010 at 12:23 pm #

    Hi guys!

    Sorry that you feel so sore about us featuring each other in treasuries! It’s not really an elite club, it’s just I got to know these sellers and their items and I feature them because I like their stuff. If you’d like to join in on the fun, then just feature me in a treasury and I will return the favour!

    I really value the friendships I’ve made on etsy, and a lot of these have been through treasury making! Maybe you should try it out and have some fun instead of being bitter! It’s no fun to be bitter!

    cheers
    Marie

  71. goodlord February 11, 2010 at 12:38 pm #

    If you think Etsy is about ‘creativity’, then your head is so far up your ass you can probably see your lunch.

    Etsy is a money-making business that uses one of the basic tenets of marketing (ie, branding) to suggest that it is something else: namely, a collective of hip, stylish folks who thumb their noses at the pedestrian masses and their wares.

    If Etsy treats itself like a business, and you maintain a shop on Etsy, then it would behoove you to begin to treat your shop like a business and stop whining about ‘favoritism.’

    I’m all ears if you want to riff about the inequities that underwrite capitalism and the free market economy within which we’ve all elected to operate, but these shrieks of Etsy ‘fairness’ as regards the FP are really insipid. It’s a business, not a social networking site or flipping knitting circle.

  72. ginger February 11, 2010 at 1:06 pm #

    But, Made by M****, these sellers aren’t breaking the R-U-L-E-S, so I don’t understand why they need to be called out. I get the arguments about the favoritism and the spirit of the law and all that, but that doesn’t change anything.

    As someone mentioned, people who do this as a full-time job are going to have more time to devote to promoting, and they’re going to fall in with others who do–they’re going to have an advantage in that area over those who are part-timers. I don’t see this as unfair, just a fact.

    I have no problem with calling out admin for playing favorites, but I still have a problem with calling out successful, well-managed shops because *they* play favorites.

  73. Life During Wartime February 11, 2010 at 1:19 pm #

    goodlord, hasn’t Etsy evolved into a social networking site with a shopping cart?

    As for the ‘pedestrian masses’, most of the Etsy ‘trends’ are about as mainstream as you can get. Etsy is working hard to attract SELLERS, and the pool of potential shop owners is going to be much larger among ‘the masses’ than it will ever be among the avant garde or indie underground.

  74. Marie from Markhed February 11, 2010 at 1:35 pm #

    here here goodlord and life during wartime, I gave up my full time job and am really scratching to make ends meet, but I’m making jewelry full time and I love it! Those are sacrifices I can afford to make, but should I be punished for that? no.

    I think that the last line of comment 21 is so harsh, “I hope there sales get fucked”. I mean, I am working really hard, making sure to catch treasuries make pretty ones, connecting with other people because I chose to make my creativity my BUSINESS.

    So, if you are saying you are not jealous, you should make arguments based on facts and that have ground instead of calling out a bunch of people who actually do handmade beautiful things and then adding the line “I hope their sales get fucked” that’s just rude and it demeans your entire argument.

  75. Marie from Markhed February 11, 2010 at 1:36 pm #

    i meant ginger not life during wartime… although I have nothing against what life during wartime said…

  76. jcjohn February 11, 2010 at 1:42 pm #

    Marie from Markhed Says:
    February 11, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    Hi guys!

    Sorry that you feel so sore about us featuring each other in treasuries! It’s not really an elite club, it’s just I got to know these sellers and their items and I feature them because I like their stuff. If you’d like to join in on the fun, then just feature me in a treasury and I will return the favour!
    ——-

    this doesn’t seem to be in the spirit of why the treasuries exist (the last line). So it’s a reciprocal process? Not a selection based on talent, new idea, unique product, etc?

    Now, I realize I sound naive, as I know nothing about treasuries. That comment just struck me…

  77. uh-huh February 11, 2010 at 1:42 pm #

    I think it’s funny when I snag a treasury and after I’m done filling it I look around at the other newly made treasuries and can see some of them already have like 40 clicks and 5 comments. Go team go! Push for hotness! Click click click!

  78. Gila February 11, 2010 at 1:56 pm #

    Like I said before… I am with Marie. If every part-time crafter who occasionally lists sth wants to have the same shot at exposure as people doing this full-time, listing and renewing accordingly, putting in 40,50 or 60 hours a week…. that’s just not going to happen.

    I just think “blacklisting” anyone who is more successful than you is just pathetic. Complain about resellers – but don’t put down hardworking handmade sellers.

  79. Marie from Markhed February 11, 2010 at 2:09 pm #

    jcjohn: it is based on many things, I don’t feature anyone whose items I don’t like, trust me. But, featuring me is one way I notice people’s stores… I do include people who don’t feature me too, but anyways, I suppose we have a fundamental difference in opinions and no matter what I say you will find fault in it.

    Marie

  80. ginger February 11, 2010 at 2:32 pm #

    Uh-huh:

    That definitely happens, but I don’t think it’s part of some plot–a lot of the shops on this list are really active on twitter (I know because I am, too), so when they snag a treasury, they post a link. That generates lots of clicks, some comments from friends. If they also convo the people they’ve included, there’s some more clicks and some guaranteed comments.

  81. uh-huh February 11, 2010 at 2:41 pm #

    Perhaps I wouldn’t be so cynical if it didn’t happen so fast.

  82. Tinker February 11, 2010 at 2:47 pm #

    First and foremost, what’s with the cussing and f*** this and sh*t. I consider myself a mature adult and that nonsense, listed by Jane #23 is ridiculous. What it all boils down to is this: everyone has some sort of a racket, whether it’s a Treasury scam, stealing other people’s work, under cutting prices by a penny, whatever. Etsy is a massive storefront; plain and simple. Etsy rules are broken all the time and the best revenge is to beat them at their own game. I don’t do treasuries as I haven’t the time to do them but truly appreciate those who feature me in theirs. I do what makes my shop work and only that. I have plenty of Etsy friends and don’t think I’ll be dumped if I don’t do treasuries. If they do dump me, they wern’t my friends to start with. The truth remains in the sales. Are these people selling a huge amount ? Do they have repeat customers? Are they making a living with the treasury cartel? If not, let them make their pin money stalking treasuries and trying to pull one over on all of us because the true artisans will sell whether they are treasuried or not. Doesn’t make it right but they’ll keep doing it..but are they selling??

  83. Angel February 11, 2010 at 4:55 pm #

    And this is why I don’t even go to the front page at all anymore, let alone look through treasuries.

    Etsy is so focused on catering to the sellers (well, a select few anyway) and their hipster vision that they’ve completely lost touch with what people like myself, the buyers, want.

    I think there are a bunch of sellers who ruin treasuries for everyone. And I don’t really blame sellers for taking advantage of it where they can, within the rules of course, since Etsy makes it so difficult for 99.23479834% of them to be successful.

  84. groove lab February 11, 2010 at 5:16 pm #

    The funny thing is that none of the “treasury mafia” (lmfao at that phrase) has hipster stuff. At all. I mean, hipster cool to me is mustaches and yokoo cowls and ripped leggings and cardboard deer heads and fingerless gloves and all that. None of these ‘mafiosa’ has items like that.

  85. Dee February 11, 2010 at 5:23 pm #

    Not an elitist club? Do they let any one who wants to be a member on the team? I doubt it.

    But you know what, I don’t blame the team for featuring each other. I blame etsy for using treasuries that feature the same sellers over and over.

  86. Bedazzled VONdom February 11, 2010 at 6:18 pm #

    “it’s just I got to know these sellers and their items and I feature them because I like their stuff. If you’d like to join in on the fun, then just feature me in a treasury and I will return the favour!”

    You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. You “feature” your friends because you like their stuff but you are also willing to “return the favor” with a complete stranger whose stuff you have never seen and may not even like?

    I call bullshit.

  87. Marie from Markhed February 11, 2010 at 7:56 pm #

    ah yes “bedazzled” and you know me, right? so you can tell what i like and what i don’t like, right? anyway, this is my last post here, I’m not sure why I’m even putting any energy towards this, since you guys have all decided already what you think.

    If you read my reponse right I said I would more likely look at the shop of someone who featured me, and if I like their pics and their stuff, I would feature them. If you can’t understand that, then you can’t understand basic human instinct to take a compliment (like being featured) and wanting to return a compliment. Has someone ever told you, hey, I like what you’re wearing you feel nice and then maybe the next day you say to them, hey I like your glasses…etc.

  88. Bedazzled VONdom February 11, 2010 at 8:52 pm #

    “If you read my reponse right I said I would more likely look at the shop of someone who featured me, and if I like their pics and their stuff, I would feature them.”

    Oh I know what you said AFTER you realized how sleazy this sounded:

    “If you’d like to join in on the fun, then just feature me in a treasury and I will return the favour!”

    Either you lied about being so easy or you lied about your rigorous selection process. Either way, ick.

    Helpful hint, if you don’t wish to be misinterpreted, try THINKING before you type because all we have to go on are your words.

    P.S. Hey, I like your bullshit! (Feel better now?)

    ;-}

  89. Life During Wartime February 11, 2010 at 9:06 pm #

    WJW, Marie. Yeah, I think we’ve all read bits and pieces of those threads in Promotions with the simpering comments ‘oh, this is so cute in your shop’ followed by countless gallons of outpoured corn syrup over the mundane (at best). Gack. Not only does my PayPal card not come flying out of my wallet…it starts trying to build a panic room in my purse.

  90. helen February 12, 2010 at 5:47 am #

    I’d love to be a “mafia” seller…if that meant selling a lot! The truth is I just don’t want to be bothered with making treasuries, so no way i can blame those who spend hours trying to catch a treasury, + waste time choosing the items, etc..and they are just free to choose whoever they like, as many times as they wish, it’s not against etsy rules. I also don’t want to be pissed with wasting time in forums, which is a good way of getting noticed and then selected by treasury makers.
    If people want to be part of the “mafia”, they just have to move their a**e, do what the present “mafia” people did or still do to get noticed and stop these endless and unproductive complaints!!!
    And last thing I wanted to point out: as I said before, i don’t belong to the usual “frontpaged”, although I made it once to the FP, but if i did, i would find it very rude to be called “mafia” seller!!!

  91. uh-huh February 12, 2010 at 7:35 am #

    Uh, nobody is calling you/anybody a “mafia seller” for being featured on the FP once, twice, or even several times. 60 times in a few months, that’s another story.
    If your curated Treasury hits the FP every.time.you.make.one, and you make one every time Treasury opens, I call mafia.

  92. Bedazzled VONdom February 12, 2010 at 9:00 am #

    “If people want to be part of the “mafia”, they just have to move their a**e, do what the present “mafia” people did or still do to get noticed and stop these endless and unproductive complaints!!!”

    You would be wise to actually read this blog before making blanket assessments of a lack of productive effort.

    I won’t hold my breath. 😉

  93. helen February 12, 2010 at 9:06 am #

    I did read the blog before…a.ll of us have the same etsy tools at disposal to promote our shops. Some just use them better than we do. Are they to blame?

  94. Voice February 12, 2010 at 10:00 am #

    Marie @74 — You’re right, it was over the top and wrong for me to say that I hope the sellers sales get fucked. It’s not so much that I hope for that to happen, as that I think it could easily happen if “treasury mafia” sellers’ promotion efforts are mainly targeted at securing exposure through getting treasuries and making the FP. If Etsy changes the way the treasuries and FP work, then someone counting on getting views and potential sales from that effort will be screwed. It’s the same for those whose sales depend heavily on renewing as a marketing strategy — if Etsy goes to a relevancy-based search as the default, a lot of sellers are going to see a big hit to their bottom line and will be scrambling to find a new way to bring in customers.

    I still think it’s just so lazy to go back to the same half-dozen sellers again and again for treasury picks. Are those really the only shops on all of Etsy that you love enough to feature multiple times? I wouldn’t be able to tell one “mafia” curator’s treasuries from another’s, they all look the same — same style, same thematic approach, same sellers! When I make a treasury, I’m out to make something that doesn’t look like just anyone made it, that celebrates the range of items and talent available at Etsy, that is cohesive and stylishly arranged, etc. And half the thrill is letting people know I’ve put them in a treasury — I love brightening someone’s day just a bit by basically telling them I like their work!

    And yes, the real blame lies with Etsy, for being so lazy that they apparently just look for treasuries curated by the “mafia” and automatically promote them to the front page. Emily Bidwell stated that they can’t promote a treasury that doesn’t have all the alternate slots filled to the front page, but if you look through “mafia” FPs at Craft Cult, there are plenty that have only two or three alternates. Maybe Emily doesn’t pick those, but someone certainly does. The whole point of this calling out, I think, is to show Etsy and the sellers that they aren’t fooling anyone, that their actions are being noticed, and that other Etsy sellers/buyers find those actions shameful.

    Tinker@82 says:
    “What it all boils down to is this: everyone has some sort of a racket, whether it’s a Treasury scam, stealing other people’s work, under cutting prices by a penny, whatever. Etsy is a massive storefront; plain and simple. Etsy rules are broken all the time and the best revenge is to beat them at their own game.”

    This just isn’t true. I don’t “have a racket” and I know a lot of sellers who don’t engage in any of these shenanigans. Some people actually do have a sense of integrity that keeps them from trying to “beat others at their own game” or sinking to the level of cheaters, resellers, copiers, etc. The high road isn’t always easy and it isn’t always profitable (at least not in the short run) but for some of us it’s more important to know we aren’t cheating customers or trying to cut our competition off at the knees.

    Man, I’m long winded.

  95. grannygirl February 12, 2010 at 10:16 am #

    Seems they’re enjoying their little “nickname”. I hate when people gloat!

    http://www.etsy.com/treasury_list.php?room_id=112637

  96. bratty sister February 12, 2010 at 10:53 am #

    Come on, that’s funny…….*grin*. Mafioso Beauty! I mean what do you expect, for them all to stop making treasuries featuring each other now?

    The thing someone upthread said about Emily B saying treasuries don’t go fp without alternates? Not always true. How many times do you see etsy forum posts started by someone saying ‘hey, what happened to my treasury, the alternates have been filled in”? If etsy wants your treasury for the fp they will fill in the alternates themselves. I once used a shop owned by someone who worked for etsy in a treasury (I didnt know) and etsy wanted the treasury for the fp and they switched out the necklace from admin for something else themselves. So….no. Not always true. If they want it, they’ll add to it themselves.

  97. Voice February 12, 2010 at 11:41 am #

    It is a funny treasury. The irony is that it isn’t any different than the ones they curate every day!

  98. Life During Wartime February 12, 2010 at 11:59 am #

    Holy Land of Bland, in terms of visual impact for the Mafiosa Treasury. There are some beautiful things in it, but they fade into the screen when shown as a group of such similar dismalness.

    Obviously they would have judged yesterday’s Project Runway differently. Eh…

  99. Bedazzled VONdom February 12, 2010 at 12:03 pm #

    “I did read the blog before”

    Then you should already know that some of the “endless complaints” have been productive.

    (Not surprised you missed the point.)

  100. grannygirl February 12, 2010 at 12:33 pm #

    I do this full time, this is my job. I spend 50-60 hours a week between computer and studio time. My work is exceptional as are my photographs. Fortunately I do well selling at shows but I’d love to do most of my business on-line. My sales numbers aren’t half of what some of my contemporaries who are on the FP day after day have. And I know my work is equal or better. Maybe I am jealous because if I was on the front page even just once or twice a week maybe I could stop having to do some shows. And yes while I say all of this I understand full well that etsy is solely to blame for the favoritism, regardless of how many treasuries any given artist is in they ultimately pick the FP. Or maybe I’m just fed up because I’m listening to you all make excuses as if there is no favoritism. Yes, it’s there and I don’t begrudge you your minute in the sun because let’s face it, this time last year there were a whole different group of favorites, and next year you will be old news. But at least have the decency to admit that, yes, you are just incredibly lucky to be in the chosen few at this moment in time. And hopefully if next year I am one of the lucky ones I’ll remember where I came from and maintain the ability to say, yeah I’m just really lucking out right now, I hope you get a turn too.

  101. bratty sister February 12, 2010 at 12:40 pm #

    Go look at the treasuries by title right now to see all of the treasuries called “Love to a Stranger”. Everyone’s making a point of not including the usual suspects.

  102. uh-huh February 12, 2010 at 2:12 pm #

    Is that what that’s about, bratty? I thought there was some new Twilight-esque fad happening that I wasn’t aware of….. amazing how everyone got on the same page with that so fast.

  103. uh-huh February 12, 2010 at 2:20 pm #

    Ah, a little more research indicates that a “challenge” has been issued by PipingHotPapers to not feature the same sellers. Maybe this amazing new idea will stick for a while.

  104. grannygirl February 12, 2010 at 2:35 pm #

    OH, so it’s not the mafia making fun. That’s good to know because I thought it was odd that so many popped up at once.

  105. uh-huh February 12, 2010 at 2:42 pm #

    I read a little more, apparently they did this last year, too, so looks like it’s just a Valentine’s Day thing

  106. grannygirl February 12, 2010 at 4:53 pm #

    Well that didn’t last long now did it.
    http://www.craftcult.com/vault_list.php?list=8970&userid=alicetoowilliger&fm=&esn=&m=2&d=12&st=1&pagenum=1&ls=0

  107. Bookworm February 12, 2010 at 8:58 pm #

    grannygirl Says:
    this time last year there were a whole different group of favorites, and next year you will be old news. But at least have the decency to admit that, yes, you are just incredibly lucky to be in the chosen few at this moment in time.
    ——————————————————-
    Well said.

  108. Dennis Anderson February 12, 2010 at 11:43 pm #

    Ive asked in the past to tone down my presence on the FP and give a shot for others for exposure. I also asked not to be featured seller…. at least not for now. In the past I had a run, and its settled down for now. I continue to try to get into treasurys by making new fresh products and taking somewhat decent photos that would go good in a color scheme, All in all and this has been said here, it is not the sellers fault at all. I wish some curators would put some fresh people into their treasrys, but they do what works…. I have been there and done that… it worked for me as it has for others. I think the problem is that the same admin select the FP all the time…. there is a couple of them that pick it as far as I know. I dont mind getting on the front page once a month, or even once every other week or whatever. I wouldn’t even mind being on there once every 6 months, as long as others get the same kind of exposure. My message is for the curators….please start looking at all the other cool stuff on Etsy rather than the same ole stuff. The FP gets boring to look at when the same ole stuff is on it. In all honesty, when I was on the FP over a year ago 3 or 4 times in a day, I was actually a bit embarrased by it.

  109. Kirsi February 12, 2010 at 11:43 pm #

    “If you’d like to join in on the fun, then just feature me in a treasury and I will return the favour!”
    …Altruism sure is dead, huh? Along with ambition.

    “I just think “blacklisting” anyone who is more successful than you is just pathetic.”
    …The blacklist is a different blog.

    “If Etsy treats itself like a business, and you maintain a shop on Etsy, then it would behoove you to begin to treat your shop like a business and stop whining about ‘favoritism.’”
    …The favoritism is affecting sellers business, in more than one level.

  110. Dennis Anderson February 12, 2010 at 11:53 pm #

    Kirsi, I wouldn’t get drawn into an arguement on the subject. everyone has the right to complain about this and that, I wouldn’t waste 20 seconds worrying about it. I dont believe in blacklisting as I know many dont and I dont even know who you are. Favortism happens all the time, in every place of business and on all levels. Some want Etsy to run the way they want them to run, but Etsy will run the way Etsy wants to run itself.

  111. Ashli February 13, 2010 at 7:50 am #

    Dear Puff (seen in #32) Thank you for the shout out! I had no idea people even knew I existed.

    My treasury making philosophy: Make as many as I can. Why? Because I LOVE making them. I don’t make them to get in them. If someone features me, I’ll return the favor in one of my future treasuries if I like their stuff. I feature a lot of the same shops, but that’s because I love their design aesthetic. If it fits the feel and mood of my treasury, I’m going to try to fit them in.

    Concerning favoritism? Most of the time I choose stuff from my Etsy favorites. That’s not breaking any rules.

    I think it’s interesting to be somewhat referenced as part of this mafia. I have only been on the FP three times. I’ve had 5 treasuries on the FP, 6 if you count the one that Etsy made but accidently credited to me yesterday.

  112. ItsTrue February 13, 2010 at 8:19 am #

    I found a shop that has been on the FP 180 times since March 09. How is this fair?
    And that is just when her products have been on the FP.
    Her own lists have made FP 16 times since March 09.
    Fair? No.

    The second shop I see all the time has had her treasuries on FP 35 times since march 09, and been featured on the fp in other people’s treasuries 201 times in the same time period.

  113. sickofitall February 13, 2010 at 9:35 am #

    This situation of favoritism on Etsy is real and disgusting. No, I’m not jealous because I am a buyer. But the admin favoritism and unprofessionalism will ultimately hurt the site, as will the treasury mafia.

    I don’t understand wh thepeachtree has to be featured several times in one day. Please explain. And glitzglitter has been in EtsyFinds several times in a row. Why? What is so great about glitzglitter. As a matter of fact, her work looks similar to other Etsy sellers who are frequently featured. I don’t see anything special or unique.

    I say these things because I believe in the long run it hurts Etsy.
    Trust me, i am not jealous of these unoriginal sellers. I love unique and special things not the same old boring stuff I see all the time.

    There is absolutely nothing special or unique about these shops. The shops mentioned on the blacklist blog would not be successful if Etsy didn’t constantly feature them.

    I do believe that this treasury “mafia” exists and I find it disgusting. What’s even more disgusting is that Etsy admin supports it.

    Very sad.

  114. martice February 13, 2010 at 10:04 am #

    Hej guys.. I’m wondering.. what do you make? How do your pictures look like?

    As an EST member (not listed here though) I know that we not only practice maffia treasurism (muwhaha) but we also give advice to each other on how to make pictures and how to list pictures etc etc…

    We try to keep the quality of our listings high! Have you maybe considered this as well?

    Not putting you down here, but just trying to help you look forward and take responsibility for your own future (how black it might be/look at this moment).

  115. acouchy February 13, 2010 at 10:30 am #

    ItsTrue Says:
    I found a shop that has been on the FP 180 times since March 09. How is this fair?

    Nothing about Etsy is fair. The sooner you accept this fact, the better off you will be. Etsy has never been fair and most probably never will be. I have been a seller on Etsy for almost 4 years now and almost right from the start I saw how very flawed Etsy was. At one time there was a link on the FP to the “Top Sellers”. I voiced my concerns in the forums… people jumped all over me for suggesting it be removed (I believe that thread was shut down by admin). It eventually was removed but only to be replaced by something else just as unfair.

    This whole “treasury mafia” thing saddens me. These named sellers have done NOTHING wrong. They have not broken any Etsy rules. They are nice, decent people just trying to pay the bills like the rest of us. They should not be called out for realizing that Etsy is pushing the social networking thing and giving Etsy what it wants. There is nothing sinister going on (I’m pretty sure no money is exchanging hands). Only a bunch of hard working proactive people helping other proactive people. By attempting to blacklist these sellers and telling everyone not to buy from them, you are making yourselves into the real Etsy “mafia”. I know everyone is frustrated (I know I have been for my 4 years on Etsy… it could be so great if only they would cut the crap) but don’t let this make you into a bunch of bullies… I know you are better than that.

    Anyways… all of this goes back to Etsy and admin. It is their fault this is occurring. If they would only realize that we all pay the same fees and deserve the same amount of publicity and fp time things would be so much the better. I guess what I’m trying to say is “Don’t hate the players, hate the game!”. Keep complaining to Etsy. Hopefully one day Rob will hear.

  116. a little bird February 13, 2010 at 10:51 am #

    over time, i’ve made plenty of treasuries. and i’ve had many lists on the front page. i enjoy doing it. i’m good at it. i feature plenty of different people but i do go back to my favorites frequently. and yes, some of them are my friends. and yes, some of them may feature me in their own treasuries. but that is not why i do it.

    because my own shop has become busier, i do them far less than i used to. they do still make the front page from time to time. and i still find it thrilling – both for me and the people i’ve featured.

    the treasury says it right there, “a few of my favorites.” mine. not yours. and i feature people whose work i believe in, that i feel deserves exposure. period.

    i’ve had people convo me and offer free items for featuring them. (NO, i did NOT take them up on it.) i had a hyper-critical convo telling me to stop making lists altogether. but i’ve also had convos from people who i helped get their first front page – and that is why i do it.

    we are part of a community. we should be helping one another. not spending so much time tearing each other down.

  117. Ashli February 13, 2010 at 10:51 am #

    “sickofitall” says, “I don’t understand wh thepeachtree has to be featured several times in one day. Please explain. And glitzglitter has been in EtsyFinds several times in a row. Why? What is so great about glitzglitter. As a matter of fact, her work looks similar to other Etsy sellers who are frequently featured. I don’t see anything special or unique.”

    If you knew glitzglitter, you would know what makes her special and unique. She is very supportive and encouraging of other Etsians. Her opinion matters the world to me! She has made it into the Etsy finds becaue Etsy is finally giving her some credit.

    Sure the style of glitzglitter’s shop is popular on Etsy. But don’t think that what she is doing isn’t special or unique. If it wasn’t so, she would not be a victim of several copycats (not just with style, but descriptions and titles).

    And no, Etsy isn’t fair. There’s only 288 FP spots in a day, unless alternates make it in on sales. There’s millions of items on Etsy. Not fair. Oh well.

  118. uh-huh February 13, 2010 at 10:54 am #

    GlitzGlitter’s up right now

  119. GlitzGlitter February 13, 2010 at 10:58 am #

    So? I work my butt off every day making new things, improving my pictures and listings. Maybe I am not the most original thing in the world, but I am learning and trying all the time. I quit my day job and spend all my time (more than I ever tried at a real job) to make a success out of myself. Am I part of a mafia? I don’t recall being invited to join one. I am freakin thrilled for the good things that have happened on etsy for me lately. Can’t you be happy for someone who works hard to do well?

  120. uh-huh February 13, 2010 at 11:11 am #

    I do agree with you, I’d be freakin thrilled to be featured so often. Or once. Sadly I don’ t work hard or have good work or take nice photos. oh wait, I do.
    I’m not attacking that fact that you work hard or have beautiful work… you do. The fact that you are among a handful of sellers who are on the FP a lot, some of them almost constantly, is becoming hurtful to many of us. Can’t you be sympathetic to the thousands of other sellers in the shadows who are annoyed with that and would love a nanosecond in the FP sunshine? Or do you not see repetition?
    Don’t even get me started on the Etsy “branding” thing. Because that’s bullshit.

  121. GlitzGlitter February 13, 2010 at 11:16 am #

    OMG, do I think there is favoritism? Yes, and I feel extraordinarily lucky to have what I know is only 15 minutes of fame, before the fickle finger of fate touches someone else’s shop. I know exactly how it feels to work hard and be unseen, and I love being seen lately, but know it won’t last. I wish everyone could have the same chance and I know how hard so many people work on all the same things I do. I just don’t think it’s fair to beat up on someone who was in the same boat to get their shot, just like I wouldn’t beat up on you if it becomes your turn.

  122. GlitzGlitter February 13, 2010 at 11:18 am #

    My grammar was all screwed up, and I apologize.

  123. ilovehandmade February 13, 2010 at 11:20 am #

    I highly doubt that glitzgiltter is the only person who works hard on Etsy. Give me a break.

    I don’t think there is any sort of “mafia.” I don’t think anyone should be called out. I also don’t think anyone should gloat or think that they are better or work harder than anyone else. Who really knows?

    It would be nice if Etsy admin would fix how they select shops. The sellers who are frequently featured shouldn’t be blamed. But condescension, acting like you work harder than anyone else or that everyone else is crap is not right either.

  124. uh-huh February 13, 2010 at 11:21 am #

    Ok, I think we can see where each other is coming from and know that the system is messed up – I don’t begrudge you your happiness and wish you enjoyment. I just hope things truly even out in the future and we have more of a balanced promotion regime.

  125. GlitzGlitter February 13, 2010 at 11:22 am #

    Are you misinterpreting on purpose? I in no way said “everyone else is crap” or “no one works hard but me” I just think that fighting amongst ourselves is pointless. Admin chooses, not me, not you. If there is blame, lay it at the right party’s feet.

  126. GlitzGlitter February 13, 2010 at 11:24 am #

    Sorry, the above was meant for ilovehandmade.

  127. ilovehandmade February 13, 2010 at 11:25 am #

    Misinterpret on purpose? That doesn’t even make sense. My interpretation is mine and I stand by it. I highly doubt that you are the only one who works hard. And I really don’t have the time or the desire to fight with you or anyone else. Enjoy your fame and your sales. Have a nice day.

  128. graywrites February 13, 2010 at 11:41 am #

    hey, if you guys want conspiracy-free treasuries, you can come look at my blog 🙂 it’s full of things I think are cool and pretty. I never communicate with the sellers beforehand and I never click on treasuries… I just type in what I want to find (“geeky LOST paraphenalia,” for example) and sort through pages and pages and pages from sellers of ALL types until I find enough things that I love.

    http://etsyhound.wordpress.com

    🙂

  129. puff2 February 13, 2010 at 12:08 pm #

    I’ve bought stuff from glitz glitter, it’s good quality, I can understand why people like her get featured.

    I got a necklace from a seller last week, beads were falling off when I put it on 😦 This is a reason why I shop with people like Glitz, who packs well, and sends an email when she recieves your order… Not like some people on etsy with 4000 sales and acting like you’re just another customer.

    We have a choice as buyers & sellers… You can sit in this thread & complain. Or you could be listing items & hope that they sell. Some of these people list more items in a day than I buy in a month… I bet that’s part of their secret.

  130. grannygirl February 13, 2010 at 12:21 pm #

    ashli says:
    If you knew glitzglitter, you would know what makes her special and unique. She is very supportive and encouraging of other Etsians. Her opinion matters the world to me! She has made it into the Etsy finds becaue Etsy is finally giving her some credit.

    This is a business site not group therapy.

  131. Panda February 13, 2010 at 12:47 pm #

    I think most people commenting here are simply jealous. Whining and bitching about people getting more attention and sales is pathetic.

    YES, Etsy has a real problem with showing favoritism, but most of the time it’s NOT the individual sellers fault.

    YES, some people like GlitzGlitter get featured in treasuries and stuff a lot, but so many people complaining about her moment in the spotlight have no idea how much work she puts into her etsy shop. I do, and I can assure you she works tirelessly at bettering her shop. She’s also a very gracious and modest seller, she’s not stuck up and doesn’t have delusions of grandeur for being featured a few times in Etsy gift guides or on FP.

    Maybe more people should focus on bettering their shops instead of complaining about why they’re not selling anything. If you hate the favoritism Etsy shows THAT much, stop selling there and open your own .com website.

  132. sunshine February 13, 2010 at 12:55 pm #

    I can’t believe people like GlitzGlitter are getting attacked here. Her work and photos are not only popular, but of excellent quality. She belongs to a team which is dedicated to promoting their members. GlitzGlitter stands out with her beautiful jewelry and photography. And as I understand her comments, she is not at all saying she’s the only one who works hard.

    Instead of this overall jealousy I’m sensing in here, everyone should look at their own shop and see if they can’t improve things. I see so many etsy sellers with crappy photos. You just will not make it to the FP if you have crappy photos!

    Instead of focusing on etsy sellers who get into the spotlight by their own merit, why not focus on the real subjects of etsy favoritism, like, for example, those that are friends with etsy admins and are featured on the FP several times almost every single day, yet have crappy photos and extremely boring and simple beaded jewelry.

  133. prozillian February 13, 2010 at 1:09 pm #

    *Waves to Do Not Patronize*

    http://etsyblacklisted.blogspot.com/2010/02/special-shout-out-to-call-out.html

    I wish I could communicate with her, she’s hilarious.

  134. ;alsdkgf February 13, 2010 at 1:54 pm #

    I was just looking at the treasuries to figure out when they’ll open up and I noticed something. In one of the “love to a stranger” treasuries the curator said something about it being their interpretation of the challenge. Here’s my thought, the treasuries are there for all of us, not for you to monopolize with your group challenges. The team I belong to has challenges that consist of us making things, (we are artists/crafters after all aren’t we?), inspired by a given theme, posting them in our shops and then posting links to them in our chats or on our off site message boards. What you all are doing is akin to the family in the apartment bldg. who invite friends over all summer to swim in “their” pool, so you can’t use it because it’s filled with a dozen un-attended kids all day, every day because the parents don’t consider that they’re not the only ones who live in the bldg.

  135. ilovehandmade February 13, 2010 at 2:02 pm #

    alsdkgf post #134 – I totally agree. I couldn’t have said this better myself.

  136. Jill February 13, 2010 at 2:29 pm #

    Okay, just need to clear something up with comment 134. The treasuries are free to anyone who is sitting at their computer with the Treasury page up when they happen to open. If you want to know when that will be, go here: http://www.craftopolis.com/index.php?com=tc
    Nobody is taking all the treasuries, you are just as eligible as anyone to get one if you are at your computer at the right time.
    I’m a member of a treasury team, and I participated in the challenge. Ironic that you’re complaining about it as the challenge is about featuring shops we’ve never used in a treasury before. Oooh, the evil mafia strikes again!

    To everyone else: there is no “mafia” and the treasuries aren’t rocket science. I have a favorites list just like everyone else, and I feature shops with nice photos that flow well together. Generally it’s a mix of my favorites and shops I’ve never seen before. When I make a treasury, I hope it ends up on the fp, so I’m looking for great photos and interesting items.
    If you want to be in more treasuries, list often and tag well to be found easily, make friends with other sellers (twitter, forums, teams), and make treasuries yourself! I’ve only been on selling on Etsy for 3 months and I’ve been in several treasuries at once and had some on the fp.
    Oh, and everyone knows that Admin decides the front page. It’s ridiculous to take your anger out on individual sellers because they have been on the fp many times. Be angry at the system if you want, but keep in mind how you treated those other sellers should you catch Etsy’s eye and end up in the spotlight for a while yourself.

  137. uh-huh February 13, 2010 at 2:34 pm #

    One would think only a handful people on Etsy work hard on their shops, are nice people, and make quality items. Everyone else is jealous and lazy and has their thumbs up their ass all day.
    *sigh*
    I give up.

  138. Panda February 13, 2010 at 2:42 pm #

    I agree with Jill 100%

  139. Panda February 13, 2010 at 2:43 pm #

    I also find it interesting that most of the people who are complaining and saying that they work hard and have awesome photos too don’t have any link to their shops.

    Hmmm….

  140. Just a side note. February 13, 2010 at 2:44 pm #

    On the subject of the “Love to a Stranger” treasuries, all you haters should be thrilled seeing those up. The purpose of that challenge is to use all new shops you have never featured in a treasury before. That means popular treasury makers are using all new people, giving lots of people a chance to be on the FP who haven’t before.

    I think it’s a fantastic challenge and I love exploring those treasuries for undiscovered shops. I look forward to the treasury opening tomorrow so I can make a “Love to a Stranger” treasury myself!

  141. Just a side note. February 13, 2010 at 2:45 pm #

    PS: I’m not part of any official teams or anything. I saw a post on these treasuries in the forum and thought it was a great idea.

  142. Life During Wartime February 13, 2010 at 2:55 pm #

    I am against bashing or blacklisting sellers because they make treasuries, are chosen for treasuries, or featured by Etsy.

    All the same, I find the front pages becoming more similar and less interesting all the time. I like to visit craftcult to look at all the front pages over a 24 hour period. Rarely do I see more than a handful of items that interest me enough to click on among a day’s worth of collections. The ones I click because they appeal to me are almost never sold; the ones I click on because they reek of eau de reseller, or just strike me as WTF, are usually sold. Pretty obvious that I am not Etsy’s target customer (someone to open a shop) or even the targeted type of buyer. I know that Etsy doesn’t care, so why should I? It’s certainly not personal.

    I do care about reselling and other types of misrepresentation by online sellers because I sell online. Activities that threaten the level of trust customers need to have in sellers, no matter the venue, has some impact on us all. But if sellers want to form cartels and cater to trends to get Etsy’s attention, I say let them strap on their kneepads and go for it!

  143. uh-huh February 13, 2010 at 3:40 pm #

    Yeah, #139, my anonymity = my work is shit. Think what you will.

  144. waterrose February 13, 2010 at 3:50 pm #

    I’ve been on Etsy since 2006. I’ve seen my fair share of favorites and threads that are similar to this topic. In fact, I’ve even been on the other side of the coin…wondering how I could get noticed and stating as such in several Etsy threads. Instead of creating a blog and punishing people who are noticed I thought about what I needed to do. It had nothing to do with my photo’s or my shop. What it had to do with is that I had to get more involved with the Etsy community. And, I had to remind myself that life isn’t always fair. Even though I pay my .20 per listing Etsy is running it’s business the way they see fit and there’s not a darn thing I can do to change that. Accusing other sellers of things that you have no clue about is not the way to change things. It only divides the community. Remember that one day you may be on the other side of the fence of being promoted and how you will feel of being accused of being part of a mafia or unethical behavior, when you have only been working hard to become successful.

    I joined the treasury team…yep…I’m one of those. We are only required to make one treasury per month and feature six members. But, you know what…I like making treasuries. I like featuring other people on my team and other teams I belong to. I also like featuring people who feature me. And, I also use pounce to find people who have had little exposure. Guess what? I have had treasuries on the front page less then 10 times in the years that I have been on Etsy. But, you know what else? That doesn’t really matter. Why? Because I promote my own treasuries and with that, the people in my treasuries get exposure. So I’m not banking on getting my treasury to the front page anymore. I don’t play any games about you feature me and I’ll feature you…prizes or any other such nonsense… I use twitter and I have a blog and I use both. I’m also on Etsy Project Embrace. Do you know what the goal of that team is? It’s to support cancer research. We use one another in our treasuries so that we can donate proceeds from our sales to a good cause.

    Begin a team of your own and work with one another to become successful. Both of the teams I mentioned above is about more then making treasuries. We do monthly critiques of shops on our team…we work to improve one another. We help each other keep up with things going on on etsy. We help one another with marketing ideas. One person may be strong in one area, while another is strong in another…we help one another and we’ve become friends. We cry on each other shoulders when life has taken a wrong turn. There is nothing elite or mafia about it.

    I almost always have a treasury in main and in west. I don’t have to stalk the treasuries or watch the craftopolis clock. I have a calendar on my computer and I set the date and time, about an hour ahead, of when each of those areas open and then I get a reminder that they are about to open. I generally have a poster sketch ready and a title in mind and wa la…I am able to get one when I want. It’s not impossible and there isn’t any secret formula. And, every single person on Etsy has the same chance of getting a treasury as I do…it’s not for the elite and there isn’t any limit, other then you can’t have more then one in each at the same time. Nor, can you feature more then one item of your own in a treasury. Which I never feature my own items anyway.

    I have a life outside of Etsy…I run my own successful business in the world of home improvement. So I don’t spend my life here, but I do manage my time well. I’m not a big seller on Etsy and I think that has more to do with what I make then anything else. I am interested in creating pieces that become heirlooms. So my prices are higher and I sell fewer pieces then others…here on Etsy. But I also sell outside of Etsy. I’ve run marketing campaigns that include sending postcards out to a targeted market and was very happy with the return. If you rely only on Etsy then success becomes tied to someone else’s business model, rather then your own.

    I also use twitter and have made a lot of social networking friends…as well as the friends I have made on Etsy over the last four years. I also attend virtual workshops, read storque articles, comment. Visit other people’s blogs and comment. Does anyone really think that being in/making treasuries is the path to success? Yes, when you get the front page exposure it can give you a boost, but if you aren’t marketing yourself outside of Etsy then it is going to take you much longer to be successful.

    I truly understand the frustration here because I was in this place a couple of years ago. But, if you stop and think about it, you are the master of your success and you have to set your goals and figure out what will get you what you want. What I do on Etsy is not unethical or sleezy. I give back to the community probably more then what I receive. You may not see me in the forums much because it is so filled with negativity that I don’t want to participate there. Even when I do participate with help it becomes a negative and you end up accused of something that was only begun to help people become successful. So sometimes no matter what you do, you get called out.

    I know that everyone in this thread is looking for success and I know that you are each doing your best to make that dream come true. All I ask is that you really take a look at your own business model and see what you can do to improve your chances. Etsy is not the end or be all. If Etsy went away how would you survive?

  145. Amused February 13, 2010 at 5:10 pm #

    People really need to stop saying (typing) wa la. WTF.

  146. beadsinthebelfry February 13, 2010 at 5:37 pm #

    I’m not really going to get deep into all the treasury talk. I see both sides of the coin. You don’t have to be a jealous hater with low sales to think the constant repititon of sellers and products gets boring to see. You don’t have to be part of some dastardly plan to have ended up on the front page numerous times.

    I think what waterrose said here definitely deserves repeating:

    “If you rely only on Etsy then success becomes tied to someone else’s business model, rather then your own.”

    Thank you for those words of wisdom waterrose.

  147. waterrose February 13, 2010 at 5:39 pm #

    Oh yes, out of all that I wrote the only words you picked up were “wa la.” Simply amusing.

  148. Panda February 13, 2010 at 5:49 pm #

    “If you rely only on Etsy then success becomes tied to someone else’s business model, rather then your own.”

    I couldn’t agree more. If people hate the way Etsy runs their site so much, they can simply close up shop and go elsewhere.

  149. beadsinthebelfry February 13, 2010 at 6:02 pm #

    Panda – I don’t think that’s necessary either. Telling someone to close up shop when they don’t like how something is run is so 2009 (and 2008 and 2007…)

    Many wonderful changes have been made on Etsy because sellers and buyers care enough to offer up what they think will be improvements. After all Etsy does have an ideas part of the forum.

  150. bumblebee February 13, 2010 at 6:12 pm #

    how many buyers actually look at treasuries? how much do people sell as a result of being in a treasury? can a seller control how many people put them in a treasury at any given moment?

  151. bumblebee February 13, 2010 at 6:23 pm #

    oh, and how does being a bitter, resentful victim affect your ability to create a quality product and to take nice photos?

  152. grannygirl February 13, 2010 at 7:31 pm #

    Jill says
    Okay, just need to clear something up with comment 134. The treasuries are free to anyone who is sitting at their computer with the Treasury page up when they happen to open. If you want to know when that will be, go here: http://www.craftopolis.com/index.php?com=tc
    Nobody is taking all the treasuries, you are just as eligible as anyone to get one if you are at your computer at the right time.
    I’m a member of a treasury team, and I participated in the challenge. Ironic that you’re complaining about it as the challenge is about featuring shops we’ve never used in a treasury before. Oooh, the evil mafia strikes again!

    The treasuries aren’t there for you and your girlfriends to fuckin “flashmob”, none of us here are idiots, (regardless of what side of this argument we’re on), and we all know there is power in numbers and you are using a medium on etsy that’s there for everyone as if it was your own personal group marketing tool. No matter how you spin the whole “it’s there for everyone”, or “anyone can make a treasury” crap what you’re doing is a form of bullying, you show up in an organized group of, what, about 80+ with a like mind to snag all the treasuries possible to promote only what you like and end up with, yes I counted them, 74!
    I have no ill will towards any of you and am in no way wishing poor sales or ruined business to you but be careful of the image you all are putting forth with your sophomoric behavior.

  153. bumblebee February 13, 2010 at 7:49 pm #

    dang, how does my leaving a bitter, resentful comment affect my ability to do the same?

    obviously i thought i was just a bit better than the rest of you for a moment…may i take it back?

  154. Bella February 13, 2010 at 8:04 pm #

    I was all set to write this big long thing, but Waterrose said it all already.

    Bottom line is this. Focus on your business and the things that make it better. People will sit up and take notice. But you have to put yourself out there in a positive way to be noticed in a profitable way. Stop all the negativity, the calling out, the “oh it must be a mafia” mentality and learn ways to effectively promote your own business. Do what works for you. For some, it means making friends within the Etsy community, on Twitter, Facebook, wherever, and combining efforts to promote each other. Yes, there IS power in numbers. But you only get back what you put into it. It’s ridiculous to fault people that focus their efforts on building their business and creating business realationships. Isn’t it really just the same as if you had a brick & mortar store and joined the Chamber of Commerce in your town? If your own efforts are not effective, shouldn’t you take a hard look at what you are doing? Treasuries aren’t the be all-end all in making sales. Neither is getting on the FP of Etsy or any other market site. It’s not a conspiracy. It’s business. Stop wasting your time and energy on the things that won’t help you move forward. And if you’ve read this whole comments section of 150+ posts, really ask yourself, what else could I have been doing this whole time?
    Much luck to everyone.

  155. UnaOdd/Lynn February 13, 2010 at 8:19 pm #

    Wow! You know I’m really hesitant to post here. I have so rarely experienced such deep anger/frustration from both sides….well ‘ceptin’ the last US presidential election…

    I’ll admit that I have been on my share of FPs. I used to be an avid treasury maker, but I don’t curate as often as I used to. I do some collections for the Team I’m on that donates to Cancer research. It’s a cause close to my heart for personal reasons. I also try to mix it up with treasuries of people I don’t know, new sellers, really anything that catches my eye.

    I was approached to do a treasury for “Love to a Stranger”. I thought the idea and sentiment was a fine one. I like to give other people a chance at being seen and love being the first sale for a new shop. If you are a seller, remember your first sale? Such a giddy feeling! Your first time in a treasury? “Wow! Someone picked me!”

    I knew about the issues of favoritism and have been bothered by it myself. I am quite surprised at the level of anger and disgust. I am shocked to think my last treasury entry is considered a form of bullying!

    With all respect, and I really mean no disrespect. The large collection of treasuries that were put together under “Love to a Stranger” feature artists and shops unknown to us. I am shocked that this is seen as sophomoric and bullying.

    Seriously, if we met under different circumstances we might have things in common. We might have children in school with the same issues. We might be dealing with difficult health problems that we find lessened by the connections and friends we meet on a site called Etsy. Maybe you just lost a cherished pet, or got cut off in traffic and want to vent. Maybe you had a great day and want to celebrate.

    I guess I am just trying to say that I am just a person. I am not evil. I have health problems, I have children to raise. I love cats and gardening. I like making treasuries. I have shoveled far to much snow lately. I make grammatical errors.

    I was enthusiastic about “Love to a Stranger”.

    I meant no harm.

  156. Jill February 13, 2010 at 8:46 pm #

    grannygirl, the Love to a Stranger treasuries are not a flashmob, please. I would have made a treasury regardless if there were a challenge or not. The treasuries are there for members to curate a list of items that they find interesting, or beautiful, or whatever other reason they choose to feature them. Period. What is sophmoric is accusing us of somehow “taking” all the treasuries for ourselves. If you don’t realize that everyone has the same opportunity to get and curate a treasury, than you obviously don’t know how it works and probably should refrain from posting anything about me and my “girlfriends.” You had the same exact chance to get a treasury as I did, I did not knock you down and take your lunch money, so to speak. This is one of the stupidest arguements I have ever let myself get sucked into, so I’m out.

  157. Voice February 13, 2010 at 9:05 pm #

    Some musings as I read all the accusations of “jealousy,” “bitterness,” and “you need to work harder” …

    I’ve been on the FP. So my pics must be good enough, right? After all, everyone says that that is a key to being on the FP. I work hard, making lovely things that are extremely high quality (so my customers say, not that I need the validation — I know my work is good).

    I never have any trouble getting a treasury when I have the time and opportunity. I do think my treasury has less of a chance of being seen and the shops I feature have less of a chance of ending up on the FP because my one treasury is surrounded by 70 treasuries of sellers featuring each other so frequently that some of them end up in 15, 18, 35 other treasuries at once. Statistical probability says their odds are just better because of the cross-promotion they do.

    The treasuries I’ve made have been beautiful and FP worthy, or so people tell me — people who have been on the FP themselves, have curated FP treasuries themselves, and are well know for having beautiful shops, taking gorgeous pictures, and creating knockout treasuries in general. I have a good eye for color and design, I follow all the guidelines, including filling all my alternate slots, varying the categories I include, not putting myself in treasuries, wide range of price points, etc.

    I do not include any of those sellers who make the FP all the time in any of my treasuries in an effort to boost my odds of getting picked for their treasuries or having my treasuries picked for the FP. FP bingo, I think that’s called? I occasionally feature those I know well — sometimes I throw in teammates, or friends, when their items are gorgeous and fit my aesthetic/theme/whatever that I’m basing my treasury on. I never put someone in a treasury just because they put me in one and I don’t expect someone I’ve chosen to automatically choose me for one.

    I do not follow “quid pro quo” at Etsy or anywhere. That’s a very shallow kind of networking — like people who auto-follow on Twitter and then do nothing but spam their own followings with nothing but Etsy links (for the love of Pete, do not do this!) I believe the company I keep — the shops and items I favorite, the people I hang out with at Etsy — reflects on me and my shop. I won’t heart shoddy work just because someone hearts me — my customers are clearly interested in quality, it’s something that brings them to me rather than my competition, so why would I want to give the appearance that I like someone else’s shoddy work?

    I have not had a treasury I’ve curated end up on the FP, even though according to Emily Bidwell, almost all of the available treasuries in a day end up there. I’m not the only one who creates lovely, rule-abiding treasuries that never make the FP.

    I don’t bitch and moan in the forums, or on other blogs. I keep an eye on this blog because like any other buyer I do not want to get scammed. The reseller callouts and copying callouts etc. are invaluable. I am as concerned as any Etsy seller about the consequences of Etsy devolving into a messy flea market of resellers and copiers.

    My sales on Etsy are just fine. Etsy isn’t my main selling venue, but it does help me connect with buyers who are not local to me. I really have no complaints there.

    And yes, I criticize both Etsy and the sellers who specifically engage in “treasury stuffing,” if you will. I am not criticizing those sellers who get a lot of FP time but are not part of the circle-jerk treasury mafia.

    I will never be in 35 treasuries at once, only because I will not play the game these sellers play. I have no interest in forming a team to play this game, or in trying to worm my way into one of the existing teams, because I personally find the practice unethical. It crosses my personal moral boundaries to try to game the system, and I wouldn’t do it even if it meant a ten-fold increase in my sales.

    Those engaging in this practice know they are doing something not quite right, or they wouldn’t come here to defend themselves. If they truly believe the commenters here were just jealous bitter haters, they wouldn’t give this blog the time of day.

    And that’s all I have to say about that.

  158. groove lab February 13, 2010 at 9:22 pm #

    “I was approached to do a treasury for “Love to a Stranger”. I thought the idea and sentiment was a fine one. I like to give other people a chance at being seen and love being the first sale for a new shop.”
    ———————

    It definitely is a fine idea, and I would love to see it more often than just once a year as a novelty gesture, you know? Someone said that there are a few curators who do Pounce treasuries and low sales shops often – I’ve never noticed them but I applaud that way of curating and wish that more people would try it.

  159. jealoushater February 13, 2010 at 9:59 pm #

    Re: Love to A Stranger treasuries, it’s almost like the popular kids are saying oh, poor nerds, you can come to our party – but just this one time. You know, throw the dog a bone, it’ll stop howling. I did one good deed, I’m good for a year, because I’m charitable.

    Now, were all those Treasuries created that way? Of course not.

    But THIS is what a Treasury should be all the time; featuring great items, not totally filled with friends or admin favorites, and not just one time as a “challenge”. Yes your friends & those admin favorites may have great items – but you know what you are doing by including them every time – bettering your chances to land on the FP again.

    I have never found it challenging to create a great treasury with strangers, and neither should anyone.

  160. Amy February 14, 2010 at 2:05 am #

    no. 152. Bullying? seriously?

  161. Charmed by Karen February 14, 2010 at 6:18 am #

    Just wanted to come forward as a long time member of a larger treasury team on Etsy.

    Our team exists to support team shops and to promote newer and non-team shops. We do not make treasuries that feature only our items and our treasuries are not limited to a small, incestuous clique. Almost every single team treasury features up to 1/2 non team shops. That comes to several hundred non-team products promoted EVERY MONTH by our team.

    At heart, we make treasuries becasue we love to, not because we have little else to do. We are busy, life worn, involved human beings, just like you. We include hundreds and thousands of non team shops in our treasuries because we love curating these ephemeral collections from shops all over the Etsy community. The treasury teams are part of the Etsy community, in spirit and in practice, and do a great deal for inclusion efforts all around.

  162. Bedazzled VONdom February 14, 2010 at 8:14 am #

    “If people hate the way Etsy runs their site so much, they can simply close up shop and go elsewhere.”

    Ding, ding, ding! Winner! Winner! Cupcake dinner!

  163. coconutroad February 14, 2010 at 8:57 am #

    I think the “etsy Mafia” tag is too harsh. Why not the “esty good ole’ girl” network. Basically, that’s how it’s worked in every other segment of the US society for years. Why not etsy, too?

    They’re all sitting back laughing at the buzz because there is nothing anyone can do about it. But it’s fun to watch for in the future!

  164. waterrose February 14, 2010 at 9:45 am #

    Voice says:

    “Those engaging in this practice know they are doing something not quite right, or they wouldn’t come here to defend themselves. If they truly believe the commenters here were just jealous bitter haters, they wouldn’t give this blog the time of day.”
    —————————
    This calling out in a public way is no different then the “enquirer” spreading false information about public figures. Except in one aspect. Those who are doing the calling out here are remaining anonymous, while those of us called out are not. If those people calling out feel so strongly about this why wouldn’t they show up to the circus they are creating?
    I only have two ways to defend myself. I either make a statement here or I ask my attorney to step into the matter. The blog owner here would probably prefer that I defend myself, rather then being served legal documents to appear in court. That could be very costly. If you notice as you try to flag blogs that you don’t like the blogger stance is that they don’t remove blogs in cases of defamation unless they are served court documents. But once served they release information requested…so no one is really anonymous. Getting a court order isn’t that difficult.
    I know that I’m not doing anything wrong. And, where I live you are innocent until proven guilty. I run my Etsy business like a business. If you are a small business owner you know that you need to form alliances, join Chambers of Commerce, network etc., to gain any traction in the business world. Or, you don’t become successful and get lost in the masses. That is how I treat my Etsy business. I am not personally keeping you from getting a treasury to the front page of Etsy…I’ve had four make it to the front page in four years. So why would you (the collective you) call me out? If the front page is the golden ring, I’m in the same boat as the rest of you. The term “stuffing treasuries” is ridiculous.
    I have done nothing that is against the law or unethical. If you feel so strongly about the fact that people being accused of something are in fact guilty because they defend themselves, then why would you post here? Does that mean that you know that what is being stated here is really a bunch of falsehoods? So you are trying to assuage your guilty feelings? You are behaving the same way in which you accuse those of us defending ourselves are behaving.
    Ugly things happen in the world when innocent people are accused of things and they don’t try to defend themselves. Look back through history at the lynch mobs of the Salem Witch Trials, World War one and two… What started as a very small movement against a perceived threat turned into many innocent people losing their lives. One person or a few people felt threaten and found a person or people to focus their fears on and those innocent people payed the price. In Salem it was a few young girls. I bet many in that community never thought it would go as far as those girls being burned at the stake, but that is what happens when you let things go and think to yourself that you’ve done nothing wrong, so you have nothing to worry about. We may not be burned at the stake, but in the world of mass communication and instant access to false information you are in fact doing harm to my business and reputation. And, that is legally prosecutable.

  165. Bedazzled VONdom February 14, 2010 at 10:03 am #

    Give it up, Waterrose. We all know you don’t have a lawyer and we all know you won’t hire one.

    “it is a tale
    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
    Signifying nothing”

  166. Life During Wartime February 14, 2010 at 10:08 am #

    waterrose, I think you are confusing what ECO (the blog owner) writes with comments written by readers here — for examples, your comment and mine. You need to get this stuff straight before you seriously start lawyering up.

    Your online business is visible to the public, as is your promotion of it. The public has a right to publicly criticize your method of promotion. Without invoking World Wars or the Burning Times, I merely remind you of the massive blog commentary out there in cyberspace concerning the success (or lack thereof) of the Super Bowl commercials just one week ago. Get real! It’s not like anyone wrote here that the extent of your participation in Etsy Treasuries makes your butt look big.

    There are a huge number of comments, but unless I missed it, no one wrote anything damaging about your shop: products or customer service. I have no idea what you sell on Etsy.

  167. How about you talk about a real problem. February 14, 2010 at 10:41 am #

    Why hasn’t the subject of BnR treasuries come up? Buy ‘n Replace treasuries are the real problem in my book.

  168. JuliaA February 14, 2010 at 10:55 am #

    i make a lot of treasuries. i make the front page very very very occasionally. and i notice photograph quality, and tags that make treasury-making a lot easier. (check the etsy treasury team’s post about tags–it’s very helpful and i wish that more people tagged like that!)

    certain sellers that make the FP all the time are completely baffling to me–shitty pictures, mediocre or unoriginal designs. if i didn’t see them all the time on the FP, i wouldn’t think them to be treasury-worthy at all. one jewelry seller in particular has stylized and unappealing blurry pictures and uninspiring designs. but she’s on the FP so much it’s a joke.

    …but there are others who have a LOT of varied adn pretty listings, great tags to make their stuff easy to find, and excellent photography. i’m not surprised when i see their things on the FP. and i’m not at all surprised when they hit the FP again and again, because it’s just that sort of imagery that will draw customers into etsy.

    my own shop’s photography has some room for improvement. i don’t expect to ever make the FP with my current photography. but i’m insulted that certain sellers with crappy products/sub-par photography get on the FP all the time. some FP regulars really are deserving, but some are completely baffling to me.

  169. too tall jones February 14, 2010 at 11:27 am #

    “one jewelry seller in particular has stylized and unappealing blurry pictures and uninspiring designs. but she’s on the FP so much it’s a joke.”

    Living in Brooklyn never hurts……

  170. Voice February 14, 2010 at 11:37 am #

    waterose, I did not call you out, I don’t have a clue who you are. If you’ve only had four of your treasuries on the FP in four years, you don’t exactly fit the mold. I’m talking about curators who regularly get four FP treasuries in one month! I don’t know if you have a heightened sense of self-importance or if you are just clueless as to the real scope of the treasury mafia, but you don’t seem qualified to be counted in that bunch.

    I used to work for the small business arm of a chamber of commerce. The vast majority of small businesses do not join the chamber, nor do they need to — the networking that happens at the chamber of commerce is B2B networking, which is not helpful for many small businesses. It’s absolute crap to say that you can’t succeed without networking with other business owners, unless your target market is specifically other businesses. Oy. I could go on and on about the small business owners I worked with through my job at the chamber and why it was useful for some and a waste of time and money for others, but I’ll spare you the tangent.

    And comparing this to the witch trials? That reminds me of the first male gigolo hired at that brothel in Nevada, who compared himself to Rosa Parks. Puh-leeze.

  171. Voice February 14, 2010 at 11:40 am #

    I’m sorry, but do BNR treasuries regularly end up on the FP? They aren’t even on my radar. Aren’t they mostly for sellers who are desperate to make a sale just for the sake of making a sale?

  172. Dennis Anderson February 14, 2010 at 11:54 am #

    Give it up, Waterrose. We all know you don’t have a lawyer and we all know you won’t hire one.

    “it is a tale
    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
    Signifying nothing”
    ____

    and you are a douchebag.

  173. Dennis Anderson February 14, 2010 at 11:54 am #

    that was directed to Bedazzled VONdom

  174. Dennis Anderson February 14, 2010 at 12:00 pm #

    for the record, I dont think its jealousy…. I think its frustration. I use to be a reg on the FP, not any more…. but I dont have the time to worry about it because I am too busy with my business to be worried about it. Maybe calling you a douchebag was a little harsh, but I still think your a jerk.

  175. Joyfully Anonymous February 14, 2010 at 12:28 pm #

    “Maybe calling you a douchebag was a little harsh, but I still think your a jerk.”

    a) It’s “you’re.” Not “your.” You + are = you’re.

    b) Yes, it matters.

    c) Only a marginally intelligent male/Baby Huey/teenage boy brain would imagine that “douchebag” is perceived as a “harsh” insult (or any kind of insult, for that matter) in a grown woman’s eyes.

    Newsflash: it’s not.

    You really want to make me cry? Call me a TAMPON. Or better yet, call me a GAY TAMPON.

    Wah! Wah! Boo hoo!

    Now I’m a gonna sue YOU for my hurt feeeeewings!

    “but I dont have the time to worry about it because I am too busy with my business to be worried about it”

    Too busy to worry yet not too busy to come here, read all the comments and spread your shit accordingly.

    Too funny.

    ;-}

  176. Dennis Anderson February 14, 2010 at 12:36 pm #

    LMAO is that suppose to be an insult? omg im in laughter tears over here.

  177. Anon February 14, 2010 at 12:43 pm #

    grammar corrections always make me laugh…. what a joke

  178. Joyfully Anonymous February 14, 2010 at 1:03 pm #

    “LMAO is that suppose to be an insult?”

    I’m curious, what did you perceive to be an insult in my post?

    Was it the marginally intelligent assessment? It’s a well known fact that you are marginally intelligent. Your numerous posts on the Etsy forums announce this fact loud and clear.

    But let’s be fair. Even if I had never read any of your Etsy forum posts, the fact that you would come to a blog where the vast majority of the posters are women, and use the word “douchebag” as an attempt at an insult, is confirmation enough that you are lacking more than a few brain cells.

    That there are some similarly stupid females posting on Etsy (and here too, of course) who still think you are swell does not negate the fact that you are, indeed, marginally intelligent.

    Let’s face it, there are dingbats on Etsy who think CWebster and Chris Anderson are catches. It’s not exactly something one should add to their resume of social skills.

    ;-}

  179. Dennis Anderson February 14, 2010 at 1:10 pm #

    Is that all you can do is insult a persons intelligence? I think the one who is lacking social skills is you and you only. Attack me all you want, silly words on the internet do nothing to me. It’s pretty sad but not unusual that someone will insult me as an ANON…. Would you like to get into an intelligent conversation with me? What do you consider intelligent anyway? I did not like English in college and high school but had to take it anyways. You have me shivering in my boots ANON. This is nothing but play time for me.

  180. Dear Dennis February 14, 2010 at 1:44 pm #

    You really are an ass.

    I suspect you could change that with a bit of effort.

    Or not.

  181. Dennis Anderson February 14, 2010 at 2:00 pm #

    #
    Dear Dennis Says:
    February 14, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    You really are an ass.

    I suspect you could change that with a bit of effort.

    Or not.
    ____
    Thank you so much!

  182. Ashli February 14, 2010 at 4:44 pm #

    These comments are just upsetting. ECO, job well done. You have pulled out the loose thread on an expensive, treasured sweater and let your readers run with it.

    Etsy is a community. It is also a place of business. How to find the happy medium? Find your niche and support the other artists within it. I don’t really see how that throws you into the mafia. No one is sending little-featured shops convos with chopped off horses heads saying “if you don’t do x I will never feature you in a treasury”. But what most of these angsty commenters are doing is trying to throw the successful ones (and yes, they will only be successful for a moment. Etsy moves on with their favorites faster than a fat kid can eat a cheeseburger at McDonalds… and by fat kid I mean me. And FYI, it’s ridiculously fast) under the bus. Who is the real mafia here?

    Another issue that I have is that I trusted ECO to be a blog dedicated to calling out the real issues of Etsy: reselling & blatant TOU violation. etsybitch and etsyblacklisted are the blogs that address issues such as FP favoritism. So my concern is that ECO is losing their originality trying to get traffic.

    So PLEASE do not accuse anyone else of “selling out” or doing things for their own personal gain. This post (which belongs on etsybitch or etsyblacklisted) has received over 180 comments. Most of the TOU violating & reselling posts get around 50 comments.

    Please tell me who is and is not being original here. Because I got to tell you, I’m quite confused at this point.

  183. sickenedBYtheHATE February 14, 2010 at 5:08 pm #

    People who start these things are SICK and TWISTED! You aren’t jealous????? Gimme a break! You’re so jealous you can’t see straight. Your hatred for other people is UNREAL. The reason i lock my doors at night is because people like you are allowed out. SICK SICK SICK in the head you are. You people pointing your VILE fingers every which way and spewing such venom at other hard-working people need your mouth’s washed out with bleach. It really is a MAD WORLD! Go find something to do with your time.

  184. Dennis Anderson February 14, 2010 at 5:12 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/treasury_list.php?room_id=113109

  185. rachel February 14, 2010 at 5:19 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/treasury_list.php?room_id=113105

  186. detroit February 14, 2010 at 5:58 pm #

    Voice – post #157 – fantastic post! I think you summarized the issue quite succinctly. Etsy is to blame for this ultimately. But all the wide-eyed naivety on the part of some of the beneficiaries is a bit much too. C’mon. We know what’s going on!

  187. DeeDee February 15, 2010 at 12:09 pm #

    Thanks for at least putting a spotlight on the treasury groups. I had no idea this was going on. Now at least when I see the same people on the FP and in dozens plus treasuries over and over ( and maybe even over) again, I can stop feeling like a failure. I network in person, use social networks, talk to a LOT of store owners, have always made my treasuries include lots of strangers, and couldn’t figure out why I never could “Make it ETSY big”. Now i understand that many of these “success stories” come from being in a group of people that work to a formula, one that for the time being is working very well in their favor. Whether I agree with it or not, now I know that me and my tiny store isn’t as big a failure as I sat there worrying about at night. I’m just not playing the same game as them.

  188. prozilliam February 15, 2010 at 1:20 pm #

    Why are you linking to your treasury, Dennis? What is your point?

  189. Dennis Anderson February 15, 2010 at 6:51 pm #

    I linked it because I can.

  190. MadeByM**** February 18, 2010 at 7:14 am #

    They are still going on about it!

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6441057

  191. prozillian February 18, 2010 at 10:24 am #

    “They are still going on about it!”

    Wow, what a bitch. Nice, talking about fellow shop owners “whining”. Not judgmental at all……nope. Why isn’t that closed? She’s calling out everyone who posted in the “I haven’t ever been on the fp” thread. Like her post isn’t whining about them whining……my God. And self-righteous to boot. Screw her.

  192. mia February 18, 2010 at 4:22 pm #

    February 18, 2010 at 7:14 am
    They are still going on about it!

    Methinks thou dost protest too much….

  193. luvvah February 18, 2010 at 5:38 pm #

    Ugh.
    She’s so smug.

    “I am doing well so everyone else should stop whining about being on the fp”.

  194. Funny One February 21, 2010 at 4:35 am #

    I’m surprised that more sellers commenting here with insightful analyses of the problems of “inside treasury-making” on Etsy haven’t all come to the same conclusion! It’s the method and template of the entire treasury tool that has invited playing favorites that is reinforced by staff cherry-picking the same picks over and over again. The entire issue is based on a tool that invites and reinforces that kind of behavior. The same picker pick, Etsy picks those pickers. It created its own monster, and is reinforced by a site that has played faves from Day One. That’s how the whole site operates. It excludes and collects fees for exclusion. Talk about stacking the deck against most sellers making it impossible for them to sell!
    Remove the tool, and you remove 98% of the problem. However, based on history, Etsy will come up with something equally problemmatic.
    If you’re a seller on Etsy who hasn’t played their game, you’re never going to benefit from this closed system. Why more sellers haven’t left and been more vocal about how Etsy has so negatively affected selling handmade online is the biggest mystery of all.

  195. WhoShotWhoInTheWhatNow February 23, 2010 at 12:12 am #

    I wish Etsy would save themselves, and Rokali would actually implement what he said he would.
    Maybe it’s the lack of sleep talking here…
    And thanks to sickenedBYtheHATE for giving me the best fucking laugh I’ve had in the past half hour! Bitching on the internet earns you a mouth washing with BLEACH! I also have vile fingers, they don’t point much, but sometimes they are depraved. I use them to make treasuries of things I actually like.

  196. lulo February 23, 2010 at 11:36 pm #

    I’ve seen treasuries titled, BNR.. buy n replace.. you buy that item, and something from your shop is replaces that slot.

    Here’s an example of the crap that goes on in the forums for it too: http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6442359

  197. COUP March 4, 2010 at 10:39 pm #

    I had to LAUGH reading the first few comments of this threat because I always imagined there was some sort of “secret Treasury pact” thing going on where sellers promise to feature each other, knowing they can’t promote themselves directly….this thread just confirmed that. What isn’t Etsy clamping down on this? To make it more hilarious for me, I’ve tried grabbing treasuries a year ago on various occasions and it NEVER worked…I gave up on making them myself, and am stoked when I’m picked by others ; )

  198. Abby Blaine August 20, 2010 at 6:17 am #

    The group to look out for is called CURATION NATION! Got up this morning and first front page I saw- CURATION NATION team members again! It’s becoming ridiculous. The team rules for this Creation Nation actually state they they are required to host that many treasuries a month and that they have to include each other! So the whole point is to just keep self promoting the same people from the same small group and to vreate a ton of treasuries. One team member is in 2,850 treasuries. There are only about 3,000 active ones. So do the math. This person ends up on the front page three times a day. Etsy has to notice this. Why are they letting this happen?! If I see one more front page with Glitz Glitter, Glazed Over and Raceytay I am going to explode. As I arite this one of them has already been on twice today…. its 10 am.

    To say this is frustrating is an understatement. Etsy allowing thes people to manipulate the system and thus giving all these people the chance to have much better sales than the rest of us. We all pay the same fees to Etsy, don’t we?!

    I agree that making Treasuries is fun; that is not the point here. But this group has figured out how to manipulate the system by being exclusive to basically only their team members and then ensuring that each treasury gets a ton of hits and comments from members of the team, thus making it to the front page.

    PS: You can’t join them…. they have quietly closed their membership.

  199. Back Again August 24, 2010 at 11:58 am #

    Ah, but Curation Nation’s biggest mouths claim that it’s “hard work” creating all those treasuries, boohoo, and since they put so much work into their shops, it only stands to reason that they would be featured often! And don’t forget that if those favorites didn’t get repeated on the FP constantly, then Etsy’s traffic would come to standstill (or so says one of the oft-featured). Egotistical much?
    Don’t even get me started on their holier-than-thou Twitter rants every time someone mentions FP repeats. It’s like a bunch of snooty high-school girls.

  200. Buyer Only August 31, 2010 at 3:24 pm #

    There are 6.6 million things for sale on Etsy right now. Seeing the same stuff over and over gets boring fast. If Etsy wants to draw more buyers then why not add more variety? Not everyone has the same taste. Of the 6.6 million things for sale, it’s hard to believe there’s a legitimate reason for the repetition.

    Signing on to Etsy is like walking past a store that never changes its window display.

    Honestly, I want to see what’s new and different not the same stuff that was on the front page when I signed on 6 months ago. It’s a good way to put buyers to sleep.

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