ArizonaArtTile

15 Feb

This “new” seller, ArizonaArtTile from Tucson, has made a very contentious debut in the forums, leading me to check out the credibility of their shop.

Seems they don’t have much credibility.

This: http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=38999589
which the seller claims to make

is also here: http://www.decoarttile.com/images-tile-murals-large/landscapes/706.htm
which this company Deco Art Tile in Monroe, GA claims to make.

Coincidence?

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On another note, we had our 1st birthday. Who would have thunk?!

Thanks for all the community flagging we’ve done…we accomplished a lot but there is still a lot more to do!

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102 Responses to “ArizonaArtTile”

  1. elizabeth February 15, 2010 at 11:24 am #

    If you read the profile it does sound like they sell to home improvement stores and such, so my guess is that they are the manufacturer and the other website is either theirs or they sell to them. Or the other way around, who knows. My guess is that they will get to stay on etsy regardless of who actually makes the tiles.

  2. JajieBo February 15, 2010 at 11:48 am #

    Happy Birthday, ECO! I’m an Aquarius, too. ; )

  3. Amused February 15, 2010 at 11:51 am #

    Finally they are called out and in to question. They have also been busy cruising the forums for a wicked muting. It’s only a matter of time one hopes.

  4. crapgawker February 15, 2010 at 11:53 am #

    Happy Birthday Etsy Call Out! LOVE this blog and appreciate all you do since we can’t call out on Etsy without getting our hands slapped and hearing from the self-appointed forum police!

  5. MadeByM**** February 15, 2010 at 12:18 pm #

    Flagged ’em!

    Happy Birthday, ECO!

    I come here everyday to read to get mad, to laugh and to rejoice when the “called out” gets booted out! Keep up the good job!

  6. JajieBo February 15, 2010 at 12:24 pm #

    The tiles on the Etsy listing are $60, while the same tiles on the DecoArtTile site are $175. A bit strange.

  7. mizdarlin February 15, 2010 at 1:14 pm #

    When I first read the holier-than-thou crap they were spewing in that thread, i dutifully went and checked out that site..sure enough, ordinary, nothing unique or even desirable in the strictest sense…they were spamming the Forums trying to find sypathetic uptight types that would be attracted to this sort of obsolete mass-produced looking stuff that you can find at any Home Depot, or at least something very close…underwhelming, and i seriously doubt if it’s ‘handmade’ on any level that would be valid for Etsy

  8. NotSurprised February 15, 2010 at 1:18 pm #

    My understanding is that these designs can be adhered to any number of smooth surfaces. They start off as some kind of transfer or decal that is permanent once it is applied.
    Again, the pendant on a chain thing.

  9. notvintage February 15, 2010 at 2:01 pm #

    Thank you CALLOUT, I am with you!

  10. Life During Wartime February 15, 2010 at 2:20 pm #

    If this shop is the pendant-on-a-chain principle applied to decals on tile, then they are Etsy legal. I’d rather see original designs on tiles sold on Etsy, but…

    And Happy Birthday, ECO!

  11. JajieBo February 15, 2010 at 2:41 pm #

    Well, I’ve emailed both Arizona Art and Deco Art, so hopefully we’ll have an answer soon.

  12. Em February 15, 2010 at 3:19 pm #

    Hmmm… I think they may do their own work, it just sounds like much too big a company to be hand making their tiles.

  13. Mike Thair February 15, 2010 at 3:37 pm #

    “it just sounds like much too big a company to be hand making their tiles”

    Justification for calling out? Why not come up with some facts?

    How would you feel if someone made unfounded statements about your shop….. certainly plenty of scope with acrylic flower beads.

    PLEASE…. if calling someone out come up with some FACTS.

  14. JajieBo February 15, 2010 at 3:46 pm #

    Yo, Mike, take a chill pill. I’m waiting back for a response from both of these sellers. We have a right to be concerned if these same tiles are popping up in different places on the web.

  15. Em February 15, 2010 at 3:53 pm #

    From their profile:

    “We have owned our own business for approximately the last eight years supplying the tile industry with murals, accents and listelos on ceramic, porcelain and natural stone. Our products are sold in tile and flooring centers throughout the U.S., Hawaii and Canada. We recently decided to also offer our items directly to the public by way of Etsy.”

    Whomever is making these tiles must be damn busy to be able to supply stores throughout the country.

  16. Em February 15, 2010 at 3:54 pm #

    I didn’t add the quote in my first comment because I thought it was a little obvious, since this info is right on their profile. I understand you want our call-outs to be based in fact, but there’s quite a few facts right in front of your face.

  17. Mike Thair February 15, 2010 at 3:59 pm #

    So we supply stores in N. America, and have customers in Oz, Europe, Japan…. we can produce 10,000 soap bars/month. All handmade by us, a full-time job, and our only form of income.

    Again, just because they produce a lot and are not hobbyists, is no justification. Of course if this stuff is factory produced by machines, then a diferent story.

  18. Stacey February 15, 2010 at 5:11 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=38663298

    http://www.decoarttile.com/images-tile-murals-large/wineandcheese/130.htm

    http://www.tilemuralstore.com/products/Wine_Basket_of_Romance_Tile_Mural-2183-0.html

    http://shop.vendio.com/tammyshelton/item/774597397/?s=1266137762

    My guess is that these are some kind of decals that people are putting onto tiles. Which, as long as they’re putting the decals on the tiles themselves, is “Etsy handmade”. But, I really don’t know anything about ceramics…

  19. WoodenBoard February 15, 2010 at 9:05 pm #

    Seems iffy..

    Anyway happy birthday!

  20. Leoni775 February 15, 2010 at 9:13 pm #

    How were you wrongly called out Mike? Aren’t you that soap shop that was shilling your own feedback? Your attitude and veiled insults about other soapers got you beat up in the forums. You came across as a real ass. Kind of like Arizona Art Tile.

    I’m wondering why such a busy soap company would waste their time with a site that only got you a couple of sales. I also wonder how a guy like you, so busy supplying your soap all over the world, even has times to troll the Etsy Call Out blog.

    Things that make you go hmmm.

    Oh, and Em’s acrylic beads are selling a hell of a lot better than the couple of bars you ACTUALLY sold – not to be confused with the bars you purchased from yourself with another one of your accounts and shilled feedback for.

  21. Mike Thair February 15, 2010 at 9:31 pm #

    All of these shilling accusations are total rubbish and have been explained elsewhere. It was actually my ex-wife who made the first purchase (I didn’t ask her), she knows the soaps well, and sent immediate feedback the day of purchase.

    Yes, our 10 sales not a lot, but there are more benefits than direct sales on Etsy…. wholesalers lurk and make direct contact. We have had three wholesaler visitors from the USA, and another two due next month from Europe and USA.

    Must be something about people here…. like to attack the man rather than the issues.

    All I’m asking is that people are a bit more factual in Calling-Out…. or it asking just a bit to much.

    For people like you who remain anonymous….must be great fun to be so irresponsible.

  22. manufactured art February 15, 2010 at 10:33 pm #

    This may fall into a gray area of arts and crafts. Fine artists and photographers are allowed to sell reproductions of their work – printed on their home printer or by professional printers. Even if these tiles are manufactured by a factory, if the seller is the artist who created the original piece of art which is featured on the tiles, I think it may be allowed.

    I’ve heard many complaints about the different criteria for handmade at various arts and crafts shows. Clothing and jewelry designers have to have made every piece by hand, but fine artists and photographers are able to sell reproductions of their work. The argument is made that the image is the point of the product, and so that being the work of the artist is enough.

  23. janicejoplin2 February 16, 2010 at 1:52 am #

    OK Mike read the top of the page…it said ” Other Hot Topics” as well. So yes, Calling out and forum decorum can be discussed here.

    She was rude, disgusting and yep, she was a bitch. I wouldn’t take her questionable pieces if she gave them to me!

    “Like to attack the man and not the issues..” WJW

    Happy Birthday ECO..Great job..

  24. Mike Thair February 16, 2010 at 2:24 am #

    OK janicejoplin2, fair comment. Sorry.

    Perhaps the two issues should be kept seperate.

    Thanks.

  25. notvintage February 16, 2010 at 6:03 am #

    If people would just show some integrity and class, they would’nt even be on the radar.

    I don’t like the pendant on a chain either, but the tiles thing is a big step up from that issue.
    Etsy has become an embarrassing place to be seen. People set up shop without reading the basic information, the basic information is difficult to follow, and there is a lot of cheap junk listed that is neither special or worth a $.20 listing.

    If people would stop buying my shit, I could leave and feel very good about myself. kALIN just got lucky with his timing is all, and foisted bullshit that everyone wants to believe. The bullshit sucks people into buying what is on the surface, and takes advantage of ignorant people all the way ’round.

    However, they do say that ignorance is bliss. Too bad I can’t be happier.

  26. JajieBo February 16, 2010 at 6:35 am #

    After some digging, I am inclined to believe that this isn’t a reseller issue, but a “pendant on a chain” deal, as it’s been said earlier. Maybe not what we personally like to see on Etsy, but most likely it’s Etsy legal. If they’re only transferring images to tile, I’m assuming that it would be relatively easy to produce large amounts of these tiles by hand every month. So, in that aspect, they may be in the clear. However, as others have pointed out, if they’re spamming in the forums, they’re fair game here.

  27. MadeByM**** February 16, 2010 at 7:25 am #

    If someone is supplying the “world” with their products, why do they really need Etsy? Once you’ve gotten that “big” and can sell from your own site, why would you bother with Etsy after the fact? I can see starting out on Etsy and then moving on, but not the other way around……

    Putting a friggin sticker on a tile is exactly like putting a manufactured charm on a finished chain. It may be Etsy “legal” but it’s not what I think a handcrafted site should be………

  28. notvintage February 16, 2010 at 9:52 am #

    Complete disclosure is always a good policy. The more you disclose, the more authentic you at least seem. If you sound like a big operation because you want people to think you are when you are not, then expect to be questioned about it on Etsy. Ebay doesn’t care if you do it alone or have a factory–
    You are what you present yourself to be, and that is a choice each shop keeper makes themselves.

    Each venue is different with a different clientele, and you don’t market for Etsy customers like you would WalMart, Home Depot, or Ebay customers. What might be reassuring in a chain store is the opposite on a site that advertises itself as ‘handmade by the seller’. I expect to see some personalization when I shop on Etsy; maybe that’s just me?

  29. pastlurker February 16, 2010 at 10:12 am #

    Not to derail this comment thread,but your pal bellas beauty and more just called out her buyer on this thread

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6439443&page=1

  30. JajieBo February 16, 2010 at 10:44 am #

    I agree whole-heartedly, notvintage. Well said.

  31. JajieBo February 16, 2010 at 2:08 pm #

    Ooh, I just caught the (now closed) thread featuring Arizona Art Tile’s political ramblings… I must say, everyone is certainly entitled to their own political convictions, but arguing about them under your shop’s name, for all the world to see forever (thanks, google cache) might not be a wise move, at least business-wise.

  32. just amazed February 16, 2010 at 2:28 pm #

    arizona tile uses artist’s work that may or may not be licensed for use. in one listing they said they did not know who the artist is. it is mass produced decal on tile backing. i think they are not in the spirit of etsy as far as handmade as they are most likely a factory. it is mr. arizona tile who posts in the forums and is quite confrontational and prissy.

  33. bengals February 16, 2010 at 3:06 pm #

    Hey Arizona – QVC called – they want their Thomas Kinkade Painter of Light decals back.

  34. nox February 16, 2010 at 3:36 pm #

    Bella is…odd. She once had an Alchemy request for a handmade rat cage. For $15. For a “fun” time, go through her feedback and see artpets’ comments. Then go read his profile.

  35. WoodenBoard February 16, 2010 at 4:21 pm #

    nox:

    what the hell is with his profile? there is being personal and being creepy

    I wonder if he was horribly bored or thought that massive keywords in his profile would help boost him in the searches.

  36. Sarah February 16, 2010 at 4:27 pm #

    Thanks for the suggestion Nox. That profile is…wow.

    And thanks for the link to Bella’s thread, I’ve just learned a lot, and from now on I’m adding insurance to sales over a certain amount.

  37. nox February 16, 2010 at 6:38 pm #

    Sarah, you’re welcome 😉

    WoodenBoard – I have no idea. It is creepy. It is also *really* reminiscent of Bella’s own style of oversharing/TMI.

  38. Gitty February 16, 2010 at 8:26 pm #

    “i like to watch sprinklers go choo choo choo. in Texas where I lived for 6 years in adult life I could turn it on and watch it with my dogs for half an hour and get all gitty”

    From a profile.

  39. Donnalda February 17, 2010 at 9:30 am #

    I do know how to work a tile kiln, I have had transfers made of my original artwork to apply to special commemorative plates for a fundraiser. That said, I think, after reviewing Arizona Art Tiles etsy shop that they need to:
    1. State with each design who designed the artwork (Etsy tou)
    2. If they are a cooperative (the word “we” in their profile, they need to list each artist working in the cooperative in the profile (Etsy tou)
    3. Behave in the forums in a professional manor that will engender sales. (Please respect each other in the forums, another Etsy tou.)
    The fact that these rules are not followed leaves the seller vulnerable to these kind of speculations.

  40. MadeByM**** February 17, 2010 at 9:55 am #

    Everytime someone’s own “craft” gets questioned here, they don’t like ECO……….

  41. notvintage February 17, 2010 at 10:26 am #

    …Another example of “men” who get into the forums and spew testosterone, thinking it will work on a predominantly female clientele. No, it doesn’t. Maybe it works on your wife, the poor thing, but not here and not in the Etsy forums.

  42. Crazy Cat Lady February 17, 2010 at 11:35 am #

    bizarre profile but I like his work. He says he’s ADD or something and it shows…his profile reads like it. I couldn’t get through it.

  43. Mike Thair February 17, 2010 at 2:51 pm #

    Well said Forum Clique Nonsense!!!

    I too am looking for something a bit more credible here.

    I have been wrongly called out as a reseller plus more, and basically because others did not agree with my stance on some craft issues.

    Glad to see some decent comment here.

    Thanks.

  44. notvintage February 17, 2010 at 3:02 pm #

    Decent comment = agrees with you. Sacre bleu! work on your profile.

  45. janicejoplin2 February 19, 2010 at 2:01 am #

    Mike Thair says,

    OK janicejoplin2, fair comment. Sorry.

    Perhaps the two issues should be kept seperate.

    Thanks.

    …………………………………………………………………………………………

    Thank you for apologizing.

  46. janicejoplin2 February 19, 2010 at 2:13 am #

    Forum Clique Nonsense..give me a break..I have been on forums with you. You are Arizona Tiles…LOL…

    I know your language. I wish I had a penny for everytime you spewed forum cliques. You are absolutely positively the worst forum poster of all times.

    You were pompous, arrogant, belittling and quite frankly an asshole.

    And Mike I do not know what happenned in your case, but I’ll tell you that this guy is deplorable!

    And no one can hurt your business reputation any more than you do by posting on the forums.

    Oh you will deny it, but I know it’s you. I would recognize your writing style anywhere!

  47. Mike Thair February 19, 2010 at 2:22 am #

    Yes, but does he/she say anything that is worthwhile. In my book yes.

    Who cares if he/she is a an asshole…… that is another issue that should be something quite separate, and yes something worth raising. The real issue here is irresponsible calling out by those who do not know the craft in question.

  48. etsycallout February 19, 2010 at 11:02 am #

    Okay, this is for the ?th time Mike- you were not called out for reselling but shilling. Pay attention.

  49. WheelsontheBus February 19, 2010 at 12:16 pm #

    I have a great idea.

    Since Mike and AAT/Forum Clique Nonsense seem to have such a high degree of professional know how & worldwide business contacts they start their own Etsy style site for
    Sellers of their ilk, and leave the mouth breathing mob ( us )
    to our own devises.

  50. Mike Thair February 19, 2010 at 12:53 pm #

    Etstcallout, sorry for the ?th time, but I think Etsy is worthwhile and Etsy Callout has a very useful function. But if it degenerates into something where everytime some Etsy person finds someone a bit “arrogant” they can use this forum to even the score with a “callout,” then that useful function is lost.

    But then, if that’s the sort of forum you want, fine.

    Why not maintain some standards of calling-out? Some of the callouts are well done, but in others there is no checking of facts and are obvious attempts at damaging a business.

    In the end, your call.

    I’m just amazed that people can be so vicious.

  51. janicejoplin2 February 19, 2010 at 1:52 pm #

    It’s just a matter of time before AAT is muted..He/She are trolls. A thread that went on for over 800 posting was closed with their postings ! I say their because God knows.

    When someone says WE throughout their posts . I do know that there are two distinct styles. Many have stated that. And they are both offensive.

    And Mike for your information to side with this shop is making you look foolish. You need to read for yourself what this shop is saying…Try the closed threads..They bait everyone. People feed these trolls and the threads get closed.

    If I were a shiller I think that I would keep a lower profile.

  52. Mike Thair February 19, 2010 at 2:14 pm #

    I am not a shiller!!!!

    I was accussed, that’s all. And this is my issue…. someone makes a false accussation and then that becomes truth. I have provided an explanation.

    I am not siding with that shop…. just supporting the notion that more care needs to be taken in calling out.

  53. ohmeohmy February 19, 2010 at 3:11 pm #

    WTH is handmade about taking other artists’ work and putting the deacl onto some tiles? Yeesh!

  54. ohmeohmy February 19, 2010 at 3:12 pm #

    *decal*

  55. Mike Thair February 19, 2010 at 3:35 pm #

    Yes, certainly an issue that needs to be more aequately addressed by Etsy.

  56. WheelsontheBus February 19, 2010 at 6:02 pm #

    As in finally addressing when an Artist/Crafter makes the
    transition to a manufacturer?

  57. notvintage February 19, 2010 at 8:35 pm #

    “methinks he doth protest too much”
    Drop it, man, you are on the wrong side of taste, ethics, and our righteous rage.
    Men who can’t take no for an answer are liable to suffer for it with their reputations. You can’t boss women around on the internet; maybe you can at home, poor woman she is.

    Defend something worth defending. Of course, there could be a big run on cheap tiles with a garbage decal slapped on it.
    Second thought: No. probably not on Etsy. Ebay’s a much better venue for these.

  58. janicejoplin2 February 20, 2010 at 5:18 am #

    Mike..Yes, I have read your explanation. I “get” what you are saying.

    If I were accused of something I certainly would have taken a different approach than you.

    If someone purchased from me and I received feedback the same day it would appear to others that I had shilled.

    I personally would say,

    “Hey, I’m embarrassed. I can see where you would think it’s shilling. My ex wife bought some and because she knew my product she left feedback the day that she ordered it. I should have told her to wait until she received it. I can definitely see where you could come to the conclusion that many have come to. My fault and I will do my best to make the best product and continue to sell.”

    and MIke…I would not have gotten all high and mighty and defensive. Never, ever. The proof is in the pudding as they say.
    The dates are the same. A reasonable person WOULD conclude that it was shilling. If you would have presented your facts in the manner described above all would have been forgotten.

    If it were to be brought up again by someone I would have just politely repeated. Yes, it was a stupid mistake on my part not to have informed her to leave feedback once she received my product. Better yet say nothing at all.

    For you to continually bash ECO or others for ruining your reputation is ludicrous. You continue to fan the flames.

    Like notvintage says..” Drop it” is the best advice that anyone can give you. The more you say the deeper you dig your own hole.

    You make comments like “For people like you who remain anonymous must be great fun to be so irresponsible.”

    Wow..You are seriously slamming all who post anonymous. See that’s what I mean…you just keep digging a hole.

    And if you don’t see any red flags in AFF shop then you need to take a closer look.

  59. etsycallout February 20, 2010 at 10:20 am #

    Well another interesting question is why is an ex-wife buying your soap through Etsy and then leaving feedback? I think you wanted to start off your feedback ASAP so whether it’s your wife or your ex-wife I stand by the shilling charge.

  60. callin out February 20, 2010 at 10:27 am #

    Probably mike or puss?

    http://antsybitch.blogspot.com/2010/02/dear-etsy-call-out.html

  61. Mike Thair February 20, 2010 at 1:58 pm #

    Thanks janicejoplin2 for your very thoughtful and helpful comments…..I obviously have a lot to learn when it comes to communicating in this medium, and have taken your comments on board.

    Thanks for your time.

  62. janicejoplin2 February 20, 2010 at 6:37 pm #

    You are welcome Mike.

    I would respond to ECO with. You are right I did want to start my shop off with positive feedback. I was wrong and now I will admit it.

    Mike you are not the first or last shop to have done this. You were the one that was caught.

    Whether it was a wife or ex wife it is irrelevant. If I were you I would sincerely apologise for your defensiveness and snarky posts concerning this matter and move on.

    I am not asking you to admit anything that you did not do. I am just saying as Dr. Phil has always said, ” You can not change what you don’t acknowledge.”

    Yes, it would be embarrassing to admit that feedback was left and it is considered shilling. I would be more embarrassed to have this subject come up over and over. Public opinion does count (think OJ).

    I would personally have more respect for you if you did that. I have seen so many Etsians who it is quite obvious that they have shilled and deny it over and over and over.

    I think it would be refreshing to hear, you are all right. I admit it and hopefully we can move on with this. I am both embarrassed and ashamed that I resorted to this.

    Just a thought. It might cleanse your conscience.

  63. Mike Thair February 20, 2010 at 6:50 pm #

    Yes, I certainly apologise for any offence I may have caused through my defensiveness and snarky posts concerning this matter of shilling. I am an open an sincere person, and have no problems with admitting mistakes.

    However, the fact remains, I did not resort to shilling, and what happened with my ex-wife making a purchase is as has been described by me previously.

  64. janicejoplin2 February 20, 2010 at 9:47 pm #

    I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt Mike. If I were you I would keep a low profile, and not defend others who are accused of behaviors that would be presented on ECO.

  65. WheelsontheBus February 21, 2010 at 7:09 am #

    callin out Says:
    February 20, 2010 at 10:27 am
    Probably mike or puss?

    http://antsybitch.blogspot.com/2010/02/dear-etsy-call-out.html

    ______________________________________________

    WJW

    I would think that is AAT “little project” with a curse thrown in
    so people think it’s not him.

    That’s a very scary crazy little gem.

  66. notvintage February 21, 2010 at 7:23 am #

    Just give it up, Mike, and realize that you can’t do biz on Etsy the same way you do on Ebay. Just Give It Up.
    Telling someone you are sincere is like telling them you “are a good Christian”. Prove it with your actions.
    I can say I am anything, but it’s what I DO that counts. Trust is hard to get back once you have screwed the pooch.

  67. PussDaddy February 21, 2010 at 9:48 am #

    For heaven’s sakes, I am not Antsy Bitch callin out. I already have a blog named PussDaddyBlogs, and half the time I dont’ even want to blog on that one let alone make another one I have to fool with. It that was my blog I would own it and admit it.

    PussDaddy

  68. kitten February 21, 2010 at 6:26 pm #

    Maybe that blog belongs to AAT. I highly think anyone else in their right mind would start a blog post “defending” AAT if it wasn’t them. They’re downright offensive!

    Also found this on the blog regarding Echohart in a Forum Bullies thread…
    Page 49: Someone tells her to stop typing ‘LOL’. Even after getting chided for typing skills (which is a petty thing for the other user to have done) she still can’t seem to find any bullying! She surely didn’t notice the 3-4 users descending upon CorkySporks inside the same thread, either.

    Well the someone was AAT, and they keep aluding to this “someone.”

  69. janicejoplin2 February 21, 2010 at 7:19 pm #

    kitten do you have that link?

    BTW..That ain’t PussDaddy on EB..No way in Hell.

    I can’t imagine in a million years who would defend ATT.

    Maybe it was his mom.

  70. PussDaddy February 22, 2010 at 10:33 am #

    Besides if I was going to make any CounterTheBitches blog, I would use that cute little Rosy The Riveter Cat that I used to use as an avatar. I am embarrassed to say that I am not far enough along blogging wise to know how to do different layout backgrounds and create my own headers and stuff like that anyway. That is why I have a boring ass blog looks-wise and the title or header or whatever is so simple. I didn’t even choose a font for it just took what came up.

    PussDaddy

  71. PussDaddy February 22, 2010 at 10:39 am #

    35. WoodenBoard Says:
    February 16, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    nox:

    what the hell is with his profile? there is being personal and being creepy

    I wonder if he was horribly bored or thought that massive keywords in his profile would help boost him in the searches.
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

    Oh for pity’s sakes are we going to start regulating people’s keywords and limtiting them to consonants and vowels and syallables and track their ranking in search too?

  72. Amused February 22, 2010 at 7:37 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/people/artpets

    It is quite the exceptional profile. I somehow doubt it has anything to do with searches.

  73. PussDaddy February 23, 2010 at 6:09 am #

    You never know when someone is going to search “Dove Soap and RedKen shampoo used by a disabled Army vet” huh?

  74. ArizonaArtTile February 24, 2010 at 6:33 pm #

    Hi there,

    Thought I would join you. Another Etsy member said I might find it an interesting read. They were right, it is. What I found most interesting I think, was that anyone would go to so much trouble to try to discredit someone and their Etsy shop without at least trying to communicate with them first. I mean, you can do it if you want, of course. This is still America, at least for the time being. But it still seems like a lot of energy wasted, when it would have been so much easier just to email me through the Etsy mail system. I never got a single email, though. Not one. Instead, here on this site, there are days and days of theorizing and speculating and researching, all of which could have been saved by just contacting me and asking me the questions. Well, I’ll answer some of the questions that I know of first and then I will answer any additional ones you may have as we move along.

    No, I do not make the tiles. The Travertine comes from a quarry in Turkey. The Marble comes from a quarry in Italy. The Durango, from a quarry in Durango, Mexico. The Ceramic and Porcelain come from U.S. distributors who get them from a variety of sources, some domestic, some foreign.

    The images we use come from either commercial suppliers or from individual artists with whom we have licensing agreements to reproduce their work on tiles. The commercial suppliers, of course, have their own licensing agreements with the artists they publish.

    Most of the finished murals and accents I produce myself. Sometimes, my wife helps. That’s the “we” in the profile. So sue me.

    Have we really been doing this for over eight years? Yes.

    Do we really sell to tile stores all across the U.S.? Yes again.

    Do I really consider this art? No, no more than scrabble tile pendants.

    Does this really belong on Etsy? That’s up to you and Etsy. They don’t have a problem with it, so I guess it’s just up to you to try and get them to change their mind. I don’t really care either way.

    Why do i go after the forum bullies in the forums and give them a taste of their own medicine? For the reasons I have stated before. I don’t like their cute jokes and quips to each other when they gang up on someone who makes an innocent post they don’t happen to like or that they think they can have fun with. The forums are supposed to be for everyone, not just a select few who think they can control the forums and everyone who dares venture into “their” territory.

    Well, that’s about it. If you have further questions, make them public, either here or in the Etsy forums and I will answer them one by one as I have the time. I don’t know about each one of you, but Etsy is not my life. If it is for you, then I am truly sorry and you have my sympathy.

  75. Mike Thair February 25, 2010 at 5:18 pm #

    Mmm….. will be watching for responses to this one…..

  76. ArizonaArtTile February 25, 2010 at 6:49 pm #

    One additional item of interest. If JajieBo sent me an email in the course of his research for everyone else’s benefit as he/she said, it never reached me. JajieBo, you might want to check with your email provider, because I’m still waiting.

  77. ArizonaArtTile February 25, 2010 at 7:52 pm #

    Forum Clique Nonsense Says:
    February 17, 2010 at 8:16 am
    ‘Etsy Call Out’ is losing credibility by the day with these kinds of posts.

    While I agree with the common sense approach that Forum Clique Nonsense applied to your post, I cannot take credit for it. Sorry again to disappoint you like this, but we are not the same person. You just seem to keep getting everything wrong. Is this starting to bother you? Probably not.

  78. ArizonaArtTile February 26, 2010 at 6:33 pm #

    Well, Mike, looks like you might be watching for awhile with not much to entertain you, because it appears no responses are forthcoming. It would appear that the people on this site enjoy posting comments about an individual whom they actually know little about. That is, until the postee actually shows up in their midst. I just hate it that people are so predictable.

  79. ArizonaArtTile February 26, 2010 at 7:16 pm #

    Since I don’t have a lot of time to waste on this exercise, I’m going to leave everyone who may read this later a few things to consider.

    This site was originally put together, as far as I can determine, to act as a voice against resellers and other people who might ignore the basic rules of “handmade” and try to sneak in things made in China, or at least mass-produced in some way, thus not really qualifying for the category of “handmade.”

    I applaud this original intent that the founder(s) had. I, too, am against the onslaught of Chinese imports flooding the American art markets and ruining the chances of individual artisans to sell their handmade art and fine craft, whether it be at an art show or on a venue like Etsy.

    That being said, in this case you have strayed from your original core principles. In this case, you attacked an Etsy member’s integrity and his shop simply because you didn’t like him. You didn’t like his postings in the forums. Don’t believe me? Look below.

    This “new” seller, ArizonaArtTile from Tucson, has made a very contentious debut in the forums, leading me to check out the credibility of their shop.

    Instead of confronting me in the forums or better yet, emailing me directly with your concerns, you chose to go behind the scenes to see if you could find something wrong with my shop. Right there is where you went astray and abandoned your original reasons for founding this site in the first place. You took it personal and went on a witch hunt.

    I find it particularly poignant that in trying to destroy my credibility and my Etsy shop, you inadvertently linked me to your one year anniversary, thereby making me the poster child of your anniversary. We are now inseparable, forever. You and I are on the same page with “Old Seville.” The only problem for you is that in the end, everyone can see that my Etsy shop is perfectly legitimate. So, you have crowned your one year anniversary by calling out a member over nothing more than personal dislike and then failing in the process.

    What is at stake now is not my credibility. There was never really any threat to my credibility, because I never did anything wrong, except to make you angry. No, what is at stake now is your credibility. You earned this honor yourself by getting away from your original reason for starting this site in the first place.

    I feel sorry for you. You have put a lot of energy into this thing that you believe in so much. I think if you just stop making these rather personal attacks and get back to doing what you do best, you’ll be ok. What you are doing is trying to make sure people follow the rules and that’s a good thing, but you have to make some rules for yourself, too. You have to make sure that every time you go after someone, that you are doing it for the right reasons and that you have done more than just minimal research on the person. The research (or lack of) that you did on me is a good example.

    With no responses forthcoming, I don’t feel I can devote any more time to this topic. If you change your mind later and would like to ask a question, I am always available. After all, I am your poster boy.

  80. iam4synergy February 27, 2010 at 3:18 pm #

    If this site is to maintain any form of credibility, then a response from Callout is required.

  81. Dear ArizonaArtTile February 28, 2010 at 8:09 pm #

    Your forum behavior has been appalling. Some of your comments in the Etsy forum show you to be a bigot. Some of your comments are just beyond belief. You are combative at best and generally insulting.

    There have been a couple of dubious call outs here on this blog and I’ve called them on it.

    Yours is not one of them.

    Save your umbrage for people who actually give damn.

    Your commentary on the Etsy forum indicates you have some history there. Did you have a shop there before under a different name? Do you post with an alternate sock puppet account? Do you have another shop currently that you don’t disclose?

    In any case, you made your bed, you should curl up in it and have a nap.

  82. ArizonaArtTile March 1, 2010 at 8:52 pm #

    Well, at least you are consistent. I’ll give you that. I still thought there might just be the smallest chance that you would put aside your animosity for just a moment and realize that I actually tried to endorse or support your cause here on Etsy Callout. Obviously, it was not meant to be.

    I originally came here to defend myself. You tried to destroy my credibility and my Etsy shop. You engaged in that behavior even though my Etsy shop was and still is perfectly legitimate. You did it for personal reasons. You objected to my behavior in the forums and as a result, you developed a personal dislike for me. You then used your “bully pulpit” that you gave yourself when you first established this blog to try to discredit me and find fault with my shop on Etsy. Without telling me, I might add.

    There is only one small problem with that. Everything you have done since you started this tirade is there for all the world to see. Both your words and mine. The main issue at this point, is credibility. Yours vs mine.
    There is nothing wrong with my shop. Anyone can see that. This was and still is a personal vendetta by you against me. You have used your position as the originator of this blog to make personal attacks as you see fit against anyone who you don’t happen to like, for whatever reason. You are so full of poison at this point, that it really doesn’t matter who crosses your radar screen, you’re going to make sure they pay the price.

    There was, for a short time, a period during this confrontation when there was still just the slightest chance that this really wasn’t a personal attack but just a misunderstanding. Your latest post took away all doubt of that.

    This whole thing had nothing to do with my shop. My shop is legitimate. You knew that going in. As you have stated over and over again, you attacked me and my shop because you don’t like the way I defend myself in the forums. I’m glad everyone who reads this has a chance to see that.

    About that: I am civil when everyone around me is civil. When others in the forums act otherwise, I respond in kind.

    The basis for your blog is supposed to be guarding against resellers and so forth. It’s not. It’s nothing more than a power base and you hide behind the supposed intent of the site to sit behind a computer and strike out through the ethernet against anyone you don’t like. That, and you don’t like men. Why, I don’t know, but it’s there right in front. I don’t really care. That’s your business.

    If you want this site to go forward and be effective, you should turn it over to someone else to run. Someone objective. You are no longer qualified. It’s as simple as that. You no longer have the credibility that a site like this demands. No one believes in you any more. You did it to yourself and it’s all there for everyone to see.

  83. PuppyBreath March 1, 2010 at 10:15 pm #

    ArizonaArtTile Says:
    I am civil when everyone around me is civil. When others in the forums act otherwise, I respond in kind.
    ——————————————————-
    Two wrongs don’t make a right. The incivility of others does not justify stooping to their level. If you have class, you act with class no matter how others around you are behaving.

  84. Bootsy March 1, 2010 at 10:35 pm #

    So you admit that you don’t make your tiles and you don’t make the art that is on them and even look like you copy the photos from other sites and you are here whining like a frickin’ baby being the victim?! Grow up!

  85. Amused March 2, 2010 at 8:34 am #

    AAT, Your last tirade above is aimed at someone’s post that is most likely not the owner of this blog (Dear Arizona Art Tile). Now you have definitely lost your credibility and clearly don’t know when to let go.

    Just curious, exactly how does your wife (partner) view the way you keep representing your business here on the internet?

  86. ArizonaArtTile March 2, 2010 at 6:10 pm #

    If I thought there was any real intelligence on this site, I would try one last time to explain everything to you, but I simply don’t have the time nor the patience to keep going over the same thing again and again. This is the most ridiculous site on the internet that is related to Etsy. It’s no wonder Etsy pays you no attention whatsoever. The best example I can think of to explain this site is Glenn Beck’s book, “Arguing With Idiots.”

  87. ArizonaArtTile March 2, 2010 at 7:12 pm #

    Bootsy Says:
    March 1, 2010 at 10:35 pm
    So you admit that you don’t make your tiles and you don’t make the art that is on them and even look like you copy the photos from other sites and you are here whining like a frickin’ baby being the victim?! Grow up!

    I’m sorry. I thought I was finished with this spectacle. Then I realized that there was one more idiot who just woke up and read the original post and is still trying to figure the whole thing out. Congratulations, Bootsy, you can read. Bootsy just read some parts of the beginning of this thread and got so excited, he just had to comment. Never mind, of course, that the thread is finished and there really isn’t much more to say except goodnight. Bootsy, If you’re still having trouble with this topic with so many big words, send me an email and I’ll send you a transcript of the whole thing with explanations at the appropriate points in the dialogue so you can understand the more important points. If you still need help, there is night school. Of course, you might have to sit next to minorities trying to learn English in their new country.

  88. ArizonaArtTile March 2, 2010 at 8:14 pm #

    Amused Says:
    March 2, 2010 at 8:34 am
    AAT, Your last tirade above is aimed at someone’s post that is most likely not the owner of this blog (Dear Arizona Art Tile). Now you have definitely lost your credibility and clearly don’t know when to let go.

    Just curious, exactly how does your wife (partner) view the way you keep representing your business here on the internet?

    Amused, I have read some of your posts. To be fair, I really tried hard to find something in them that indicated that you somehow had a grasp of the issue or the topic that was being discussed. You came close a couple of times. Of course, you know what they say about “close.” Looking at the Olympics, I’m sure you understand what I mean.

    I am really glad you brought my wife into this confrontation. She thinks you’re all total idiots and she wants me to stop wasting my time every night answering your idiotic posts. Her position is there are only so many hours in a day to be productive and make money and if you waste your time with idiots, then you make less money. I’m sorry, did I forget to tell you that my wife is Asian? Yeah, I probably forgot that part. They kind of have a different way of looking at things. You see, they just want to make money and be successful. They want their kids to go to good schools and get good grades. The asian mentality is work sixteen hours a day, seven days a week and and save money. Use the money you save to start a second business. Save that money too. Then buy real estate. Rent out the real estate. Buy more real estate. Rent that out too. Send your children to the best colleges. Make sure they get good grades.
    When they graduate as doctors, or dentists, or attorneys, make sure they marry well and raise their own children the same way. Is it any wonder that asians always succeed? Is it any wonder that all the top positions in all the major universities and colleges in the U.S. are dominated by Asians?

    So, Amused, there is your answer as to what my wife thinks of you and those like you in the forums. i have been married to this wonderful Chinese woman for twenty years and we have never had a single argument. Not one. Nor will we ever have one. Do you know why? Because we love each other. Because we respect each other. Because a long time ago, when we were just starting out, we made a pact that we would never criticize one another. That is the key. We recognize that we have differences. Instead of making them an issue, we simply accept them as part of the fabric of life. You could not hold a gun on me and make me say anything bad about my wife. Try me, you will lose.

    So, if you are going to find some way to attack me, you’re going to have to do better than to attack the relationship that I have with my wife. Put very simply, in words that even you can understand, that’s a losing proposition.

  89. etsycallout March 2, 2010 at 9:02 pm #

    I simply don’t have the time nor the patience to keep going over the same thing again and again. This is the most ridiculous site on the internet that is related to Etsy.

    Then why is your ass always here?! If it’s so ridiculous stop coming back.

  90. ArizonaArtTile March 2, 2010 at 9:25 pm #

    Because, etsycallout, you are public. Do you understand what that means? When you call someone out, as you called me out, you became public. Being public means you are now fair game. You became public by calling out someone who had never criticized you in public or taken your name in vain. When you attack someone publicly, for all on the internet to see, then you have to defend the attack and the other person also has the opportunity to defend themselves against your attack and also make a counter attack. This is the demon you unleash when you go after someone without any real evidence against them or with questionable motive. As much as you would like to end this whole thing and for me to go away, It is not going to happen. You went after my shop. You now have to suffer the consequences of that act. I gather you don’t really like the consequences. Sorry for that. You created them and I guess you have to live with them. Tell you what. I’ll back off if you offer an apology. Tell me and all the world that your attack on me and my perfectly legitimate shop was simply a result of your personal dislike of me and the anger that you displayed was unwarranted.

  91. ArizonaArtTile March 2, 2010 at 10:04 pm #

    PuppyBreath Says:
    March 1, 2010 at 10:15 pm
    ArizonaArtTile Says:
    I am civil when everyone around me is civil. When others in the forums act otherwise, I respond in kind.
    ——————————————————-
    Two wrongs don’t make a right. The incivility of others does not justify stooping to their level. If you have class, you act with class no matter how others around you are behaving.

    PuppyBreath,

    Forgive me. Your post in all this tumult was totally innocent. Like George Bush, I too, would certainly enjoy a “kindler, gentler nation.” I’m not going to hold my breath, no pun intended. The people in these forums and blogs are not he kind of people who your comment was destined for. These people are just a tad more aggressive than George Bush. I agree completely with your comment and I appreciate you bringing it into this discussion. Unfortunately, it will probably be ignored. Not by me, you understand. I appreciate what you are saying But I can’t make the others understand that you were just trying to bring some English civility into the mix. At this point, there is so much anger in this thread that English civility is not going to prevail. Sorry for that, but you did have the right idea. Civility should always prevail. English manners are where we come from. If we lose that, then we are no better than the rabble that surrounds us daily. Who wins in the end is our choice. I choose civility. What do you choose?
    .

  92. ArizonaArtTile March 2, 2010 at 10:23 pm #

    Etsy Callout,

    i have stated in this blog that I support your original purpose. You tried to discredit me and my shop. I forgave you for that. I extended the olive branch and said that I would help you develop a stronger front to combat the onslaught of resellers and chinese intervention in the Etsy market. I still mean that. I believe in what you are doing. I would maybe change a few things, but I believe in what you are doing. Do you really want to change things or do you just want to continue with this personal animosity? Together, we could make a difference. I’m not exactly lacking in experience in this area. Etsy is vulnerable on several fronts. You have yet to test most of them.

  93. ArizonaArtTile March 2, 2010 at 10:40 pm #

    And the profanity. Why is the profanity always a part of everything? Is it a lack of vocabulary? Is that the way your parents talked when you were growing up? Do you see it as some way of acting out against a society you don’t agree with? Is it just a way of overcoming a weak position in a debate that you are losing? Do you really want to know what your use of profanity means to most people you interact with on a professional level in the real world? Well, here it is:

    They don’t take you or your position seriously. You lose the argument. You don’t really matter. Is that really what you want? No? Then why do you do it?

  94. Amused March 2, 2010 at 11:07 pm #

    AAT says:

    I’m sorry, did I forget to tell you that my wife is Asian? Yeah, I probably forgot that part. They kind of have a different way of looking at things. You see, they just want to make money and be successful. They want their kids to go to good schools and get good grades. The asian mentality is work sixteen hours a day, seven days a week and and save money. Use the money you save to start a second business. Save that money too. Then buy real estate. Rent out the real estate. Buy more real estate. Rent that out too. Send your children to the best colleges. Make sure they get good grades.
    When they graduate as doctors, or dentists, or attorneys, make sure they marry well and raise their own children the same way. Is it any wonder that asians always succeed? Is it any wonder that all the top positions in all the major universities and colleges in the U.S. are dominated by Asians?
    —————————————————
    WJW and WTF

    Let us also remember this forum post gem as it is public and you wrote it. Your race relations are stellar. Then again, I suppose my grasp of the issues is not quite there as you’ve astutely noted. Must need more edumacation.

    —————————————————-

    ArizonaArtTile says:

    No America has terrorists that stay in the country and torment people for being “different.”

    Vidrio, I’m glad you joined the conversation. Because you have been blunt, I will be blunt also. Not many blacks in the Etsy forums. I admire your courage to jump into a conversation with a bunch of white folks. Not easy. Not sure I could do it if things were reversed. But when you go into an ongoing dialogue and make assumptions about the people who are in there having a give and take or even an argument if that is the case, you have to be careful because you don’t always immediately know the background of the people who are in the arena. It might surprise you that the very best friend I have in the world is black. His name is Frank Butler and he is 78 years old. He was my neighbor for perhaps fifteen years before we both moved. We moved to Tucson and he moved to Houston. I miss him every day. I never knew a more gentle, funny or engaging personality in my entire life. For fifteen years, we supported each other, we laughed with each other, we helped each other and generally enjoyed each other’s company. We regularly entertained him and his with dinner at our house. Whenever he felt like it, he would just walk across the street and sit down on my front porch and we would drink iced tea and talk about whatever. We never argued about anything. When I went shopping or running errands, he went with me. We were together almost all the time. We spent almost every Thanksgiving Dinner at his house with his family, black and white around the table and no one seemed to notice. If there was a way that I could have him with me here right now, I would do anything to have that be a reality.

    So Vidrio, the next time you want to assume or judge someone, try to find out a little more about them and where exactly they might be in the great big experience we all call life. Might just surprise you. Anyway, welcome to the forums. If you don’t find any other friends in here, at least you’ve got me. And my experience has been that where you find one friend, there are probably some others not too far away. You only have to look for them.
    Posted at 12:47 am, February 12 2010 EST – Report this post

  95. ArizonaArtTile March 2, 2010 at 11:22 pm #

    Amused, I can see that you have mastered the basic computer skills of pressing the “copy” and “paste” keys. i applaud you for this stellar performance of computer literacy by virtue of copying things that have already been printed on the screen. So, what, exactly is your point? I gather coherency or meaningful dialogue are not your strongest points. Instead of trying to impress everyone with you copying and pasting skills, why not just type some of your own words. You, know, they are called sentences. They are made up of words. Words that you put together yourself, instead of just copying other people’s words. I know it’s difficult, but just try. People who read them just might be impressed, or again maybe not. it’s a chance you have to take.

  96. ArizonaArtTile March 2, 2010 at 11:28 pm #

    By the way, Amused, Frank Butler is still the best friend I have on this planet. He is 78 years old and he is black, and I wish he was sitting right next to me right now enjoying an iced tea. If there is something wrong with that picture, then you have a serious problem with race.

  97. Amused March 3, 2010 at 12:33 am #

    It will be my pleasure to tell you in my own words what my thoughts are and even though I had to find out what ‘sentences’ are first, I shall attempt them.

    The point of my copy and paste (self taught) was a response to the comment where you felt it was important to announce the ethnicity of your wife and ‘sell’ the virtues of Asians. I see no relevancy to this point and detect a pattern where race enters your arguments in weird and potentially insulting ways. I am personally happy for you that you never fight with your wife, I was just curious as to how your forum behavior, reflecting poorly on your business, affected her and if she was even aware of it. It was a simple question to which her being Asian had no bearing on the answer. I also have no problem with your best friend, does he mind that you mention his name and location in a public forum? Food for thought.

    That being said I will now leave you with this. You are a small minded, condescending man who came into the Etsy forums with a mission to have people behave as you see fit. That never works out well and you will always be disappointed. The people that you put down in the forums are from all areas and careers from doctors, lawyers, engineers to stay at home moms/dads and full time crafters with a passion, having fun. Your appearance and behavior in the forums was like an explosion. You were rude, insulting, bigoted and had many shaking their heads.

    I always marvel at people like you who never understand how they are related to in a certain way over and over, not realizing it is their own behavior that initiates these repeated reactions. At some point maybe you will figure it out and let go. You came in like a lion, try going out like a lamb.

    So, your shop may be Etsy legitimate and not on ECO, but your consistent decorum is doing you no favours what so ever.
    You don’t need the help of others to assassinate your character as your forum posts show who you are quite clearly. Try not coming across as elitist, self absorbed and condescending and you just might make friends on Etsy. Then again, maybe you’ve already decided you’re too good for everybody here.

    Good night and good luck.

  98. iam4synergy March 3, 2010 at 5:29 am #

    Phew!!!!

    The way I see things is that a callout was made on AAT, they responded, and this has then basically turned into a slinging match that as seriously strayed from the central issue ……legitimacy of the AAT callout under Etsy rules.

    If this Blog was serious and had meaningful and legitimate callouts under Etsy rules, I am sure Etsy management would sit up and take notice. I have had direct experience with another online selling outfit, and when senior management of Ebay/PayPal phoned me internationally, I know I had hit the mark!!! These business pay attention, believe me, if a threat is seen to their bottom line.

    Pity this site can’t rise above this pettiness and personal attacks, and avoid getting bogged down in these sorts of callouts. If Callout was monitored/managed as strictly as what people here are requesting of Etsy, then this would be a serious and powerful blog.

  99. ArizonaArtTile March 3, 2010 at 9:35 pm #

    Well, Amused, I am amused. Can I say that? No, probably not. Well, too late.

    I think iam4synergy made a good point. In all of your continuing attempts to discredit me and try to paint me as some rude, insulting and obnoxious person who just appeared out of nowhere to make your lives miserable, you are forgetting one thing. The only reason I am here is that you attacked my shop and my personal credibility on a worldwide web site called “Google.” It’s there for all the world to see and it’s wrong and inaccurate. You did this. Let me repeat. You did this. You continue to try to add to it. Now you stand there on your little soapbox and say things like, “you are really an ugly person.” Or, “you are rude and combative.” Did you actually think you could single out a person and his shop and try to destroy them for your own personal reasons without having to answer for it? You people have a lot to learn.

    Here’s an example of the eloquence of Amused. It might amuse you:

    “I see no relevancy to this point and detect a pattern where race enters your arguments in weird and potentially insulting ways”

    So, I have an Asian wife and I admire their approach to living life on this planet. Call me crazy, but aren’t these the same values that our own forefathers used to build this great land that we all now enjoy? Yeah, I know, don’t bore me with history. Forget about all the success that previous generations had by using a basic common sense approach to life. It’s a new world. All those old worn out principles no longer apply. History is just a bunch of dead people.

    But to answer your question again about my wife, she still thinks you’re all a bunch of idiots. I showed her your most recent post, Amused and she said, “yep. they’re just a bunch of idiots.” One of the things I like most about her. She cuts right to the heart of the matter and says, “okay, can we stop doing this, because it’s just a waste of time.”

    I’m inclined to agree. But before I leave you tonight, here is one more brilliant contribution by none other than the now famous, “Amused.”

    “That being said I will now leave you with this. You are a small minded, condescending man who came into the Etsy forums with a mission to have people behave as you see fit.”

    So, let’s just get everything right one last time. I didn’t know this site even existed. Someone had to email me and let me know. When I accessed the site, I found an entire collection of misfits and whiners who were all too ready to crucify me without doing any research whatsoever on me or my shop. And they proceeded to do just that. On Google. International.

    So, after finding out what was going on, I come on the site and start trying to defend myself against all of these accusations that have been leveled against me. Now, try to remember, I didn’t know anything about this site or the accusations made against me until someone emailed me and said, “you might want to take a look at this.”

    What would you do?

    Would you let these people destroy your shop on Etsy and with it, your personal credibility or would you defend yourself?

    Think about it. Put yourself in the same position.

    I realize that there are two groups of people who view this site and they probably have two different agendas. There are those who view this sight, and say,”right on! Yeah, crucify the guy!” These are the people who never do their own research. They are a part of the “mob mentality,” that is so prevalent in America today. Liberals and Progressives love this type. Because they can easily be manipulated.

    The other group of people who visit the forums or blogs think for themselves. They develop their own opinions based on what they read and observe. In the end, they arrive at their own opinions based on their own observations. These people are the real threat in any dialogue. Because they make up their own minds and they can’t be swayed by rhetoric. These are the people that political organizers hate to deal with. They are unpredictable. They think for themselves. They are the unknown. They ruin the polls that everyone tries to use to predict outcomes of any important election or event.

    Figure out for yourselves which group you belong to. Make no mistake, you either belong to one or the other. It defines who you are. There is no middle ground.

    I will leave you tonight by answering my most recent opponent in all of this. Amused thinks that I am an elitist. She thinks I am a rude, horrible person. I am small minded and condescending.

    By stating that I have a very dear friend who is 87 years old and black, I am deemed a racist.

    Evidently, in the continuing dialogue of this thread, I have also insulted doctors, lawyers, soccer moms, stay at home moms and probably the homeless too. Did I leave anyone out?

    I leave you with this: I didn’t start this. You did. I was simply minding my own business when you launched this ridiculous attack on me and my shop. If you really think that you can do this over and over again without suffering the consequences, then you have another think coming. I’m not the only one out there who objects to this type of behind the scenes behavior.

    You want to call people out? Here’s a tip. Have a good reason. Have some evidence. Have some facts. Otherwise, you just might get called out yourself. In fact, I can guarantee it. Your most recent victim is now your worst enemy. I am what you didn’t want. You wanted to do your dirty work behind the curtains and not be noticed except by those who worship you. Sorry about that. You chose to put me on the world stage and guess what? You are now right there beside me.

    You go after someone who is innocent, I’ll be there. You make a dumb post, I’ll be there. You try lamely to defend yourself and what you do, I’ll be there. To use an old and tired cliche, “I’m your worst nightmare,” and you created me. Live with it. This blog will never be the same.

  100. notvintage March 4, 2010 at 11:13 am #

    Last word.

  101. notvintage March 6, 2010 at 6:08 pm #

    I wonder if AZ is Mike Thair. They sure sound like the same asshole.

  102. Mike Thair March 6, 2010 at 9:06 pm #

    “notvintage Says:
    March 6, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    I wonder if AZ is Mike Thair. They sure sound like the same asshole”.

    Sad, very sad…….

    Sorry to disappoint you, but we are not one and the same.

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