Etsy 3, Artfire 1?

3 Mar

http://www.etsy.com/shop/FairyThimble
http://www.etsy.com/shop/Elvendale
http://www.etsy.com/shop/LindenGate

Some items look identical, even the background page that the photographs were taken on is the same. All 3 shops were started recently and have very sparse profiles/policy pages – doesn’t make sense that they would be owned by 1 person – why bother? I thought I found some unique earrings and now am wondering what is going on with these stores…

Berry earrings:
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=38895031
vs.
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=41666286

Thimble earrings:
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=37489116
vs.
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=39439260

Meanwhile, I found a seller “Saffron” on Artfire, who has earrings from all three of the Etsy stores in her Artfire shop, with the same photos:

“Ripe Raspeberry Earrings” on Artfire (Saffron): http://www.artfire.com/modules.php?name=Shop&op=listing&product_id=1121432

“Peacock Mardi Gras Mask Earrings” on Artfire (Saffron): http://www.artfire.com/modules.php?name=Shop&op=listing&product_id=1120452
“Peacock Fairy Mardi Gras Mask Earrings” on Etsy (FairyThimble): http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=38895031

“Emilia Earrings” on Artfire (Saffron): http://www.artfire.com/modules.php?name=Shop&op=listing&product_id=1120431
“Emilia Earrings – The Decameron” on Etsy (LindenGate): http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=39223121

Why does one seller need 3 etsy shops to sell the same things they sell in a single shop on Artfire??

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73 Responses to “Etsy 3, Artfire 1?”

  1. Cat Power March 3, 2010 at 5:05 pm #

    That is really weird! All 4 shops have the same pics and merchandise.

    As you say, why would they want to do that? Maybe so they don’t have to open sock puppet accounts? But I’ve never seen any of them in the forums, that I recognize, but of course that doesn’t mean that they haven’t been there.

    Aha…a thought just occurred to me……shilling????????
    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm……….

  2. Mike Thair March 3, 2010 at 5:19 pm #

    “Why does one seller need 3 etsy shops to sell the same things they sell in a single shop on Artfire??”

    Why not ask, we might all learn something here.

    Its their business, they run it how they see fit. If there is a clear breach of Etsy rules, then lets hear about it.

    Thanks.

  3. notvintage March 3, 2010 at 5:38 pm #

    A person can list their stuff on multiple sites….I do. It’s smart in terms of eggs and baskets.

  4. Life During Wartime March 3, 2010 at 6:25 pm #

    Multiple sites, sure. But multiple shops on the same site? With all the same look and feel — why?

    If they are the same person, then I thought according to Etsy rules they were supposed to disclose all their other Etsy IDs in each one. If they don’t, that’s a no-no, Mike.

    They don’t accept returns, do refunds, or custom work. One of the shops has an odd neg FB — this would keep me from buying.

  5. Mike Thair March 3, 2010 at 6:31 pm #

    “If they are the same person, then I thought according to Etsy rules they were supposed to disclose all their other Etsy IDs in each one.”

    You “thought”…. OK, is it a fact or not? Can you quote the Etsy rule?

    Have you checked to see if in fact they have or have not disclosed all their IDs somewhere?

  6. itstinks March 3, 2010 at 6:39 pm #

    Mike, I checked all three of the etsy accounts and none of the 3 shops disclose having any other shops. I checked the shop announcement, profile and policies of each shop.

    I also looked at the feedback for each shop and there does not appear to be any shilling from any of the other shops.

  7. Laura March 3, 2010 at 6:43 pm #

    Yes, it’s an etsy rule that you must disclose all of your accounts.

    The lindengate shop left a harsh feeback for one buyer and stated she would never sell to a jewelry shop again.

    That being said, I think her stuff is cool though.

  8. Mike Thair March 3, 2010 at 6:43 pm #

    Great….. then is this in contravention of Etsy rules? If so, what is the wording of the rule?

  9. itstinks March 3, 2010 at 6:47 pm #

    And here is the exact rule from the do’s and don’ts:

    All of your usernames must be clearly disclosed in the Public Profile for each account. A statement such as, “I am also on Etsy under these usernames…” would be acceptable. This includes all buying and selling accounts, as well as any collective accounts in which you are involved.
    You may not use an alternate account to purchase items from yourself. This is called “shilling.”
    You may not list the same unique item in more than one shop on Etsy.

    Here is the link to this rule:
    http://www.etsy.com/dosdonts.php#selling

    ************

    I don’t understand why someone would open 3 stores on 1 venue to sell earrings that are all of the same style but perhaps the seller has a reason. Her earrings are pretty and maybe she sees them as being different styles and just wants to keep them separated for some reason.

  10. Smartass March 3, 2010 at 6:49 pm #

    Geez, someone has some sand up his snatch.

  11. nox March 3, 2010 at 6:52 pm #

    I was going to ask why you feel the need to jump on people in the comments, Mike. But I figured it out.

    On topic – maybe the buyers in question are a split personality? Three-way cojoined twins? Triplets? It’s weird, I’ll give it that.

  12. nox March 3, 2010 at 6:52 pm #

    Haha, beat me to it, Smartass 😉

  13. Liz March 3, 2010 at 6:59 pm #

    Who the hell is this Mike character? And why is he busting chops?

    Can’t you go read the rules yourself before jumping down people’s throats?

  14. wahwah March 3, 2010 at 6:59 pm #

    Hmmm…makes one wonder why Mike cares so much, seeing as he’s a doctor and all.

  15. Mike Thair March 3, 2010 at 7:01 pm #

    To answer your question…. a Callout made, then lets have some facts. Now we have them…. justified Callout.

    Now that’s out of the way…. lets get back to the personal attacks…a lot more fun for some people.

    Ok, now we move onto the personal attacks…. give it me guys.

  16. ohjoy March 3, 2010 at 7:13 pm #

    this really isnt the kind of thing that merits call out is it? yeah, they should disclose, hopefully they will, but otherwise not as awful as resellers, fake vintage and etsy sweatshop factory shops

  17. ginger March 3, 2010 at 7:35 pm #

    Mike, I think this site does expect people to have a basic grasp of the Etsy TOUs–otherwise, how would anyone recognize a violation? The disclosure rule is fairly basic and certainly well-known.

    To ask for clarification, again and again, seems, at worst, argumentative, and, at best, kind of lazy. Read the rules and familiarize yourself, already.

  18. Mike Thair March 3, 2010 at 7:46 pm #

    Point taken, thanks.

    I’m not an Etsy “expert’, but I would have thought that a basic protocol for a Callout would be reference back to the rule in question that is broken. This provides a countercheck.

    But if that is not a standard to be maintained here….. fine by me. I’ll keep quiet from now on.

  19. Crazy Cat Lady March 3, 2010 at 8:03 pm #

    I think basic knowledge of etsy tou is expected here. Having all your shops stated somewhere is pretty basic etsy tou.

    Next thing you know when ECO writes a post about a “vintage” item from 2000 you’ll be here bitching because no one said in the post that vintage needs to be 20 years or older

    *eyeroll

  20. snore March 3, 2010 at 8:05 pm #

    Mike is bitter because he has been called out himself in past – unfairly, he stated. So now he is stalking this blog and attacking those who call out here.

    It’s OK to list the same thing in different online venues if you have multiples of that item or don’t mind the risk of having just the one item being sold. I don’t know why the seller in question needs three nearly identical shops on Etsy, I don’t care, but all accounts on Etsy need to be disclosed in each profile. My guess is that this seller wants to try different ways of marketing the same earrings to see which listing will sell. If you notice, she uses a different title and different tags for the same item. There’s no rule against that … but she needs to disclose her accounts. OR, somebody is reselling and doesn’t want to get caught. They look handmade to me, though, so reselling is probably not the case.

    Get over it, Mike. I don’t think this situation required a Call-Out myself as it’s nobody’s business why this seller has three shops on one site selling the same things, and it sucks to be called out unfairly, but that’s what this blog is about – calling out suspicious sellers. If you don’t like it, don’t read it. Much more often than not, I believe this blog has been correct in calling out the real resellers and rule-breakers. And this seller appears to be breaking the rules.

  21. Em March 3, 2010 at 8:14 pm #

    Thank you, snore. I was too lazy to say it myself and you did so quite well.

  22. Mike Thair March 3, 2010 at 8:15 pm #

    I am over it, thanks.

    All I have done is express an opinion here, the same as others.

  23. etsycallout March 3, 2010 at 8:48 pm #

    You missed the point of the post. It is not Etsy and Artfire. It’s having 3 on one site and then combining everything for the other. It’s a little odd.

  24. Em March 3, 2010 at 9:01 pm #

    It is odd. Etsy isn’t really a place for people to beta test their shops. It could confuse people/customers.

  25. yeseidid March 3, 2010 at 9:45 pm #

    Who knows. Could be any number of reasons theses shops are similiar.

    Maybe three friends who make earrings together opened one shop each on etsy and another collective on Artfire.

    The stuff is cute and I hope some sales are made from this exposure.

    How do you have time to compare earring shops?

  26. albatross March 4, 2010 at 1:16 am #

    probably when she’s earring shopping….

  27. Thud March 4, 2010 at 3:11 am #

    Other thaN the non-disclosure,the three shops thing isn’t that far out~ three ways for folks to find you.
    Three chances to tag the same item )now I thought you couldn’t list the same item twice, though…

  28. itstinks March 4, 2010 at 6:37 am #

    As long as she still has the supplies she used to make the earrings, she can always make another pair – if a replica sells in one of the other stores or on Artfire. It’s not a big deal and doesn’t take very long to make a pair of earrings. Especially when you are just copying the design you already made.

    I didn’t see where she had claimed any of them were OOAK, so it’s no problem to sell the same design over and over.

    The more successful jewelry sellers on etsy only have a few designs that they keep remaking and reselling over and over. That’s how they are able to make and sell so many. They don’t have to “think” about it or come up with new designs with every pair of earrings. They set themselves up like mini factories and just produce the same thing over and over.

  29. Call Out Grrl March 4, 2010 at 6:41 am #

    Some backstory on this one —

    Once upon a time, there was a seller called Wicopy. Wicopy sold lots and lots of jewelry. But then Wicopy had lots and lots of bad feedback. Wicopy went away.

    Along came ThreeDollarEarrings. ThreeDollarEarrings sold lots and lots of jewelry. But then ThreeDollarEarrings had lots and lots of bad feedback. ThreeDollarEarrings went away.

    Wicopy and ThreeDollarEarrings sold lots of the same items. With the same names. And same backgrounds. But that must have been a coincidence.

    Then, along came BeadWitches. And Greengages. And Glenamara. And LindenGate. And perhaps more shops yet to be discovered. And they sold some jewelry that had already been sold in Wicopy and ThreeDollarEarrings. WIth the same names. And the same backgrounds. (But now at much more than three dollars!) But that must have been a coincidence. But then the bad feedback started to come back.

    How long will it be before BeadWitches and Greengages and Glenamara and LindenGate disappear? And when they go away, how long will it be before more shops pop up selling the same items? With the same names? And same backgrounds? With the same terse shop policies? And the same retaliatory negative feedback?

    And how many more buyers will stumble into those shops and hand over their hard-earned money?

    I wonder. . .

    *************************************************************

    The seller seems like a nasty piece of work and specializes in retaliatory negatives. Unfortunately the history of Wicopy and ThreeDollarEarrings isn’t available to view as those shops have been closed.

  30. peaceloveandprofits March 4, 2010 at 6:42 am #

    It is odd indeed. And I agree that there is a feeling here like someone is not just trying to have as many “tickets in the raffle bowl” as possible, but I can’t imagine what they’re up to. However after looking at the feedback and seeing one mentioning the earrings being scratched up I looked at some of the pics closer. Their wire wrapping skills are sub par and it seems like a lot of the components are scratched and dented, so I read the descriptions because if they’re vintage components you’d expect some of this. But no vintage pieces, just junk I think.

  31. peaceloveandprofits March 4, 2010 at 6:45 am #

    Ahhh, I posted before I read calloutgirls post.

  32. JajieBo March 4, 2010 at 8:02 am #

    Whoa! When I looked through those shops, I thought to myself, “Hey, those earrings and backgrounds look an awful lot like a shop that I bought from a year ago..” So I looked through my bought items history, and sure enough, it was ThreeDollarEarrings. I must have been one of the lucky ones, because I had no problem with the earrings at all. I was wondering what happened to that shop. Now I know. Thanks.

  33. JajieBo March 4, 2010 at 8:07 am #

    Ok, it’s definitely the same seller who used to operate as ThreeDollarEarrings. The earrings that I bought are in the ElvenDale shop. Same name and description.

  34. Sara March 4, 2010 at 8:29 am #

    Ive always noticed these accounts — they used to sell their earrings for $2 each now they are well over $10 each…

    I never understood their reasoning either.

  35. NotSurprised March 4, 2010 at 10:19 am #

    Has everyone seen this yet…
    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6455116

  36. Life During Wartime March 4, 2010 at 10:37 am #

    I don’t understand why vintage componets that are damaged should be used to make jewelry for sale. I can understand some color change, but dents? If you are selling something like that, you need to show it in the photos, IMO.

  37. gifteddesigns March 4, 2010 at 10:39 am #

    Just in case some of you guys and gals didn’t see it yet,

    There’s an Announcement in the Forums from HeyMichelle with a call to Etsians to disclose reseller shops.

    Portobelo is already off Etsy (is doing a jig over that one) so maybe some of the shops listed here should be sent over via convo to HeyMichelle ASAP?

  38. imwithya March 4, 2010 at 11:15 am #

    Time to go through old call out posts here to see which sellers are still up and running and send them off to Michelle! Wow 🙂

  39. WTFISAPDF March 4, 2010 at 11:40 am #

    Gee I hope someone sends the links to Lucinda’s crap to Michelle.

  40. JajieBo March 4, 2010 at 11:41 am #

    Holy guacamole! Is this in response to that huge reseller call-out thread from yesterday? Wow. Way to go, HeyMichelle… get ready to slog through millions of convos.

  41. imwithya March 4, 2010 at 11:48 am #

    What huge reseller callout thread? Whoever runs the ClosedThreads blog hasn’t updated it in a week.

    Portobello (of the insanely marked up mass produced rhinestone earrings, etc.) is still there 😦

  42. JajieBo March 4, 2010 at 11:49 am #

    Portobello is gone already?!? I may need a beer.

  43. JajieBo March 4, 2010 at 11:53 am #

    imwithya, this is the callout thread I mentioned: http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6454020&page=1

  44. JajieBo March 4, 2010 at 11:58 am #

    It got to the point where pretty much everyone on the thread started calling out resellers and talking about how fed up they were that Etsy wasn’t doing anything about it. This is all long past due.

  45. JajieBo March 4, 2010 at 12:07 pm #

    ECO- I think it would be awesome if you could start a new post where we could keep track of the demise of the Resellers as they go down. Pretty please ? : )

  46. Life During Wartime March 4, 2010 at 12:10 pm #

    Why is HeyMichelle’s request a positive step? The flagging link has been operational ever since I found Etsy years ago. Flags for most violators have been ignored for 6 months. Claims were made by Etsy that they were working on procedures to deal with resellers. The solution is to have the community contact one admin?

    What happened to all the flags sent with documenting links?

    I am guessing that all these emails are going to sit in an account indefinitely, like the flags, while Michelle’s offer keeps the community busy and slows the calling out and complaining in the forums. I’d love to be proven wrong, though.

  47. ginger March 4, 2010 at 1:16 pm #

    LifeDuringWartime, I hate to say it, but I thought the same thing. I don’t understand the whole “Yay, now Michelle’s onto you now, resellers!!!” response in the forums. The information on resellers has always been there–if this was anything more than an Etsy PR stunt to calm down all the forum uproar, they could have just set Michelle quietly to work on what was already flagged.

    This just reeks of BS to me. (I wish I could be less cynical…)

  48. Call Out Grrl March 4, 2010 at 1:23 pm #

    “Ive always noticed these accounts — they used to sell their earrings for $2 each now they are well over $10 each…

    I never understood their reasoning either.”

    ****

    I do believe the answer is in the question! She realized she was undercutting herself and thought she’d do a massive price hike with no one noticing.

    But the worst part is the feedback. Wicopy and ThreeDollarEarrings both disappeared completely (shut down by Etsy?) after a run of terrible feedback. Shame, really, because no one can see the hateful feedback she left for her disappointed customers.

    I’m certainly looking forward to these seven (at least! How can someone run seven shops at once!!??) shops going the same way as her earlier ones. It’s only a matter of time until they implode under the strain of negative feedback.

    Also, notice how many sales she’s had versus how much feedback she receives. Seems like customers have noticed that she gives retaliatory negatives and decide to say nothing rather than risk having their OWN feedback ruined!

  49. Laura March 4, 2010 at 1:29 pm #

    JajieBo Says:
    March 4, 2010 at 12:07 pm
    ECO- I think it would be awesome if you could start a new post where we could keep track of the demise of the Resellers as they go down. Pretty please ? : )

    Great idea!

  50. uh-huh March 4, 2010 at 2:04 pm #

    I don’t want to be cynical either, but I’m having a real hard time jumping up and down and screaming YAY when one admin has (finally) stepped up and volunteered to do a job that should’ve been a top priority without the mass freakout that had to occur in the forums (over a prolonged period).
    I hope it doesn’t play out like the usual etsy M.O….. say something to shut everybody up, work on it a little bit to have results that can be pointed to, then nobody hears anything else about it ever again.

  51. luckyshots March 4, 2010 at 2:04 pm #

    Laura, I took your challenge (although I’m not ECO) and went back to the last two pages of the blog to see what’s up with all these shops.

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/lollieliciousdesigns – the commercially made tutus are still there
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/rudraa – the commercially made laptop table and laptop sleeves are still there
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/dorothyprudiefabrics – Reselling tablecloths – still there
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/siniamos – Slippers reseller – still there
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/1VINTAGETREASURES – Gucci dogbeds – still there
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/watch717 – Shop is still there but it’s EMPTY.
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/dileisha8 and http://www.etsy.com/shop/dileisha – still there
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/kiskastyle – all her resell stuff is still there
    http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=37863231 – Still there, but the flip flop earrings are gone.
    http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=41430576 – Seanwu’s shop – all still there
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/ebook – The ebooks are still there.
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/gwendickinsonshop – Shop is open but it’s EMPTY.

  52. JajieBo March 4, 2010 at 2:45 pm #

    I also took the reseller-busting news with a grain of salt… so, if anyone notices any resellers actually getting shut down, please feel free to share it with the rest if us!

  53. ComradeBunny March 4, 2010 at 6:27 pm #

    I say we open the floodgates and let Etsy see again just how messed up their site is. I call for everyone to post at least two resellers a day. Let’s drown them to make our point and then set up a reseller countdown thread. Each person can list how many resellers they have reported (no names please, so it doesn’t get shut down) and report if and when a shop gets closed. For example:

    I reported ten resellers. Nine are still in operation as of today.

    Let’s shame the hell out of Etsy in forum acceptable ways. 🙂

  54. gifteddesigns March 5, 2010 at 5:25 am #

    Imwithya…crap, you’re right, I misspelled it…go fig! I’ll send her over right away!

  55. gifteddesigns March 5, 2010 at 5:28 am #

    Ok guys…PLEASE realize that Michelle is doing this BY HERSELF. ONE person. To deal with the flood she’s going to be getting.

    Unless you think you can do it faster, button up and let it roll. There have already been a number of resellers reported gone on the very same thread Michelle posted.

    Realize that the fact that this is happening at all is rather unprecedented and so DON’T FUCK IT UP by being a demanding ASSHOLE.

  56. gifteddesigns March 5, 2010 at 5:31 am #

    Hmmm…interesting. All the stuff that was from 925e.com was removed in Portobello’s shop.

    Does anyone have links for anything else in her shop? SOME of the stuff in there I think she made, but unless there’s more proof for the rest of the rhinestone stuff, I doubt she’ll be removed.

    Obviously, she’s been warned but I doubt Michelle has time to do the research on her own. Man, I so don’t envy her right now.

  57. Crazy Cat Lady March 5, 2010 at 6:44 am #

    What about the SCRAM team? Was that what it was called? That we were told about in Jan that was supposed to take care of resellers? It was a whole team of etsyians led by one of the Robs I think?

    And now it’s just Michelle?

    Colour me cynical too.

  58. uh-huh March 5, 2010 at 7:04 am #

    Oh poor Michelle. Get some freakin help then! What, are there 3 people running all of Etsy? They sure act like it.
    What about the 27 million dollar investment? Did they just invest in hammocks and cupcakes?

  59. Call Out Grrl March 5, 2010 at 7:29 am #

    gifteddesigns Says:
    March 5, 2010 at 5:28 am

    “Realize that the fact that this is happening at all is rather unprecedented…”

    ****

    Um, don’t you see THAT’S the problem? Why should it be unprecedented that a site for HANDMADE, VINTAGE, and SUPPLIES is finally cracking down on NON-handmade, NON-vintage, and NON-supplies?

    GRRR.

  60. itstinks March 5, 2010 at 7:40 am #

    uh-huh, maybe they spent all their money on owls and cowls. After all, they live in New York. They have to keep their necks warm.

  61. ohmeohmy March 5, 2010 at 10:27 am #

    why is etsy leaving Michelle to shoulder all of this? You would think they’d give her some peeps to hellp her. she is also still monitoring the forum as well (shut down my really helpful thread)

  62. Life During Wartime March 5, 2010 at 10:34 am #

    There is nothing unprecedented about removing reseller shops from Etsy. It used to happen all the time. I think if you go back many months on this blog, the discussions in comments show that Etsy was removing resellers and other violations that were flagged with proof/documenting links. Then for some reason that process stopped.

    I think it’s a positive step if Michelle’s project closes down even a couple dozen resellers. But fercryinoutloud, Etsy’s employees should know after all these years how to find possible resellers even without emails or flags where the community has done all the investigative work for them.

    This Sunday’s Etsy Finds decor will be like the acid test for me. It’s always a 50/50 chance an illegal item or a few will be featured there.

  63. gifteddesigns March 5, 2010 at 11:33 am #

    There IS something unprecedented in assigning one person with this job. I am aware that they used to remove resellers with some regularity, but sort of the way they participated in the forums.

    What people aren’t taking into consideration is the fact that Etsy’s team has basically stayed somewhat the same size while the site itself has grown in leaps and bounds. That makes the percentage of cases one person can deal with considerably smaller.

    I really wish people would stop being so cynical and NOW NOW NOW and just give it a chance to actually work. I have a feeling if she’s successful, they may just assign a few more people.

    They really DO need to hire more people like Michelle.

    Call me an optimist I guess…;)

  64. Call Out Grrl March 5, 2010 at 12:11 pm #

    “What people aren’t taking into consideration is the fact that Etsy’s team has basically stayed somewhat the same size while the site itself has grown in leaps and bounds.”

    Why should we have to take that into consideration? Surely a properly run business has enough staff to provide the appropriate level of support to its customers?

    It should not be up to Etsy customers to flag or report resellers, especially blatant ones. I’m there to run a business, not police everyone else’s shops. Etsy staff are there to police shops. They need to do that job, and if there aren’t enough of them, someone needs to do some hiring!

    That aside, we’ve all been flagging forever. Why can’t they just act upon the information we’ve ALREADY given them and shut those shops down? Why is there any need for a public plea to help them identify resellers? All they need to do is check their inbox.

  65. Laura March 5, 2010 at 1:16 pm #

    call out grrl-I agree, but I took this as an almost admitance that they weren’t able to do their job. That the system is broken, and they need help. I think it’s way crazy that other shops have to do their job, and I don’t think it’s asking too much to at least put a hold on shops and review their 1st three listings before allowing them to sell. That has to be more efficient then this whole flagging process.

  66. notvintage March 5, 2010 at 1:49 pm #

    Who says she is doing this on her own? HeyMichelle? We are all past believing what is “in the pipleline” and how they “feel our pain” and anything else promised.
    Just like anyone who tells you what a “good Christian” they are or that they have “one Black friend”.
    Anyone who believes what someone says without backup proof is a naive fool, which is what Etsy wants everyone to be.

  67. gifteddesigns March 5, 2010 at 4:34 pm #

    Notvinatge, I have absolutely no issues with being naive and with believing that there’s good in the world.

    I have far more important things to do with my time than be cynical wondering if it really is only Heymichelle doing this or not.

    That said, I completely agree with Laura’s idea of juriship for Etsy. It would make things MUCH easier.

    I also agree that we SHOULDN’T be policing the site at all and they should be hiring more people. However, we do not run Etsy and we have no clue what they can and cannot do. I’m glad they put a call out for more staff and I hope they hire even more.

  68. notvintage March 6, 2010 at 6:07 pm #

    Three years and counting. That’s where the cynicism comes from. I reserve my cynicism for those who deserve it, and Etsy deserves it in spades.

    suckers, yes. Lied to, yes. and they laugh all the way to the bank on the backs of people desperate to give away their time and talent. Not talking about Etsy staff, here, obviously………..

  69. SnazEdresR March 10, 2010 at 9:04 pm #

    Some additional info on Wicopy:

    I actually purchased two pairs of earrings from her back in October 2008. Petite Bittersweet Earrings for $5 and Ink Well Vintage Earrings for $4. She would list multiples of the same earrings at different prices. Usually she’d run a few pairs each week for $5 or under. I asked her a bit later if she did wholesale to which she most adamantly replied that her items were never to be resold anywhere. A few weeks later I placed an order for about 4 or 5 pairs of earrings that were again around $5 or under each – no duplicate pairs – for my personal use. I told her in comments that if she ever changed her mind about wholesale to contact me as I was looking into opening a boutique. About a week after I’d submitted my payment for the items, I suddenly get a paypal refund of the entire purchase with no explanation. About 15 minutes later, my etsy order is cancelled – again with no explanation. I messaged her asking what was going on, but she never responded. Since she cancelled the order, I could not leave feedback regarding her very poor behavior.

    If someone does buy anything from those 3 shops in question that people think might be her, you can see if the email on the invoice is the same as the one I had for paypal – saffronyarrow@yahoo.com

    I also pulled up the paypal history – her name is listed as Laura Park from Minneapolis, MN. I have the full address, but do not wish to repost it here.

    on a totally different note – in response to people talking about the flag button…..I flagged a user the end of last year for trying to sell Mary Kay products – ick!

  70. Call Out Grrl March 27, 2010 at 3:51 pm #

    Well it looks like (for ONCE!) Etsy has taken action! All of this person’s shops are now empty or in vacation mode with the exception of Elvendale.

    We’ll see how long it takes for her to open up five new shops, though!

  71. EmmaRose February 23, 2011 at 9:05 pm #

    Oh, she’s still at it. Amblesidhe on Etsy 2/15/11 now gone, Muguets 2/18/11 empty, FleurVignette 2/19/11 gone, SageGlen 2/21/11 gone.

    When I tried to buy earrings, she told me to F— off (but didn’t use the dashes). I complained to Etsy and was told they would like buyers and sellers to solve their own problems. I honestly just want to buy her earrings as I really thought several were fabulous and only wanted them for myself. Apparently she can afford to turn down business.

  72. EmmaRose February 24, 2011 at 8:20 pm #

    Hooray – Saffron on Artfire is empty and Etsy is empty, for now. I hope she gets some help, as she has wonderful earrings and it’s too bad it’s so hard to buy them.

  73. TheTracker April 14, 2011 at 7:10 pm #

    She’s back on etsy again, as of 4-13-11
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/DesignsbyCeline?ref=pr_shop_more

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