3 Apr

Here’s a shop full of Chinese sweatshop products.

Same items:


24 Responses to “martin1206”

  1. COUP April 3, 2010 at 8:22 pm #

    Hi, I just joined your email subscription a few weeks ago when a woman tried to scam me and I found out about her through your site. My question now is whether Etsy actually removes the sites you find that are violating the Etsy rules, or are they complacent? I get so angry each time I see these manufactured products clogging the marketplace, and wonder if anything is really being done…On a personal note, I hand-print all of my apparel without machines in my shared silkscreen studio in NYC, and constantly see other apparel vendors on Etsy who are based in LA or Thailand that are merely reselling manufactured sweatshop goods. I complained a few times to Etsy, but they merely asked to flag particular listings…well, what if the whole store is a violation?


  2. Elle April 3, 2010 at 8:44 pm #

    Etsy rarely does anything about resellers, that’s why this blog exists. If a shop is called out on the forums, sometimes it will get removed.. but it takes a lot of flags & open complaints first.

    It seems that as long as a store makes some claim that they ‘handmade’ their products, etsy falls for it & the stores are allowed to stay open. You can email etsy with links to wholesalers, but it won’t help.

    If you keep following this blog you’ll see how it goes. SSDD.

  3. ugh April 3, 2010 at 10:16 pm #

    the comments are closed on the last post, but one mentioned a scrabble tile seller stealing images & photos – that’s traditionaltreasures (possibly AKA dawsoncreekpendants – shilling each other)

    there was a big forum blow up a month or so back & if you looked at her photos & those of wickedlymod you can plainly see TT stole from her! Not only has she stolen background images and photo shopped over them but she steals original artwork to use in her listings as well.

    Then TT she has an announcement on how she has closed her shop to update pics with watermarks because of theft. Yeah right. Theft SHE does! Of course, been reported many times over but etsy doesn’t care.

    P.S. Iloveyoyo, of the 100+ tags or whatever, is still tagging that way. There are some indirect references to then in the forums on occasion since the call out here, but that’s not been fixed either!! Sigh.

  4. Life During Wartime April 3, 2010 at 10:58 pm #

    Etsy does close some reseller shops. Shops that are closed tend to be newer, with few to no sales. And they often have wording somewhere in the shop info pages or listings that they are merchants selling things made by others.

    In the last 10 days or so, Etsy has closed:

    which are 4 shops from my ‘watching these reseller shops’ file. I think 2 or 3 on the list were called out somewhere in comments here on ECO.

    The shop in the callout above has had an amazing number of sales for only being open 5 months, and remains open for business. I wonder how many times Martin1206 has been flagged? The more quickly a reseller makes sales — and the more sales they make before getting called out here or in the forums — the less likely they are to be closed as in having their shops disappear. Successful resellers have their items temporarily disappear while Etsy (supposedly) works with them. Examples of shops in this status:

    indiepixie – the one with dizzy darling fashion photos
    smileau – the ‘vintage’ sneakers from China
    broochking – Asian mass produced vintage style brooches that bounced from handmade jewelry to vintage and back again until they were called out in the forums

    If you check out the Garagetsy blog, it seems that Etsy has pretty much stopped removing handmade items from Vintage or removing items that are less than 20 years old. It does not surprise me that nothing is being done about the massive tag abusers, either.

  5. WTFISAPDF April 4, 2010 at 4:54 am #

    Etsy. Needs. To. Be. Juried.

    As in the post below (and Etsy Callout surely deserves a big thank you), the pics were stolen, but how was a wholesale company selling the same items since last summer and filling those orders? I am still confused… but what’s new.

    I popped over to read the forums the other day and it’s nothing but whining about no sales, no views. Is it Google, the economy, the resellers, global warming??

    I personally think it’s the non-vintage JUNK that keeps buyers away, and the MISTAGGING that makes it nearly impossible for shoppers to find what they’re looking for.

    Think about it. A buyer searches for a “handmade coffee cup” and the first half dozen of results bring up Corelle Ware, cups sold at Walmart a few years ago, jewelry, prints, hats, and everything else but.

    And the more advanced search is useless because of the mistagging. I flagged a bunch of mistagged items more than three months ago, and nothing happened. Ad to it the title stuffers who make it impossible to find the legit items.

    Etsy, with it’s resellers, mistagging, and non-vintage passed off as vintage, has harmed it’s reputation as a handmade/vintage website. Consumer trust is waining.

  6. jcjohn April 4, 2010 at 7:25 am #

    Just wanted to post this as it may be trademark infringement?

  7. ugh April 4, 2010 at 8:42 am #

    Etsy doesn’t care about trademarks or copyrights ( can you believe it, so unlike them! / eyeroll) unless the holder contacts them.

    Search Disney, Hello Kitty, NFL, MLB, onesie, etc. Pretty much anything popular, many etsians steal in the name of being creative.

  8. Life During Wartime April 4, 2010 at 10:00 am #

    I just realized something about ‘suspected’ violation shops under Etsy review, the ones with no items in them while the shop is still there.

    Holy crowbar, they can still make sales! The shop’s hearts are still there. Their sold items are visible. They can be convoed. Since they are resellers, they probably have many duplicates of the items in their sold listings, and can attract off-Etsy transactions with people who have hearted them or bookmarked their shops! Way to go, Etsy. You allow reseller shops to use the site for free advertising space and get their empty Etsy shops Googled, while any transactions this generates pay Etsy no fees.

    Why doesn’t Etsy make shops under review invisible, rather than making items disappear?

  9. Elle April 4, 2010 at 11:19 am #

    Yeah and are the same person. Same shop, same wording, prices, feedback style, everything. She’s quite fluent in shilling, she used to have a buyer account that got deleted for very obvious shilling. I love the recent bad feedback in her traditionaltreasures shop. Great, honest assessment. TT is clearly stealing pictures. The fact that she’s claiming they are her originals is disgusting.

    She definitely deserves a feature, ECO style.

  10. blood, sweat and tears April 4, 2010 at 2:43 pm #

    i wish i could see the humor in this.

  11. Life During Wartime April 4, 2010 at 11:35 pm #

    The fact that there are Rolex watches listed on Etsy is what cracks me up. Including one listed under handmade jewelry, with the description comment “bid now”. Yeah, baby!

  12. JohnCocktoasten April 5, 2010 at 9:32 am #

    Wigs and Pandora. Oh and the mistagging is epic.

  13. JohnCocktoasten April 5, 2010 at 9:37 am #

    Brand new shoes:

  14. Laura April 5, 2010 at 10:01 am #

    I am not trying to defend that TT scrabble gal, but wickedmod states she purchases her designs from graphic designers. How, why couldn’t TT have done the same? It’s not surprising to see the same images on Etsy from the graphic designers?

  15. ugh April 5, 2010 at 10:23 am #

    Yes you are right – widkedmod has records of purchases from designers on etsy.

    BUT – TT does not. She just steals the images, she doesn’t pay for them. At least, not all of them, acoording to her some are public domain that she’s got online ( I’m guessing myspace icons). Etsy designers have seen their art being used in her items, knowing full well she was never a customer.

  16. Sarah April 5, 2010 at 3:33 pm #

    If I remember right, during that massive forum explosion over TT, a designer posted that TT was selling pendants made with the designer’s original art, and that she had never sold to TT (I suppose there’s still a chance she was buying with an undisclosed account, but that seems like a stretch).

  17. ohmeohmy April 5, 2010 at 7:38 pm #

    Hah! I reported this shop to heymichelle when she was on her re-seller campaign. Nothing happened. Don’t waste your time anymore.

    Etsy is NOT GOING to do anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  18. MadeByM**** April 6, 2010 at 6:00 am #

    I truly believe that Etsy is sloooowwwwly moving in a different direction………hoping the real artists/crafters don’t catch on because they realize the “big money” is in reselling!

  19. blood, sweat and tears April 6, 2010 at 6:47 am #

    i spend a little time everyday flagging, i feel it is an obligation to put my time where my mouth is. what irks me no end is being accused of calling people out (which reminds me of junior high) when you say simply that putting a commercial pendant on a commercial chain is exploiting a loophole – the loophole being a too inclusive definition of hand assembled. i can see next a company selling stud earring with the nuts separate so that they can be hand assembled…..

  20. excuse me April 6, 2010 at 8:18 am #

    I don’t consider hand assembling a loop hole. I have some necklaces in my shop that are this by definition. If I see a charm that I like, or have an idea for one, I make it, or buy it, then cut the chain to desired length.

    I don’t see how buying something already made (a t Target or whatever, which HAS been done) & calling it your own is the same as MAKING something, because its not.

    And frankly, I’m tired of the argument that hand assembling doesn’t equal crafting. The whole “my craft is more craftier then your craft” is so judgmental & snotty.

  21. blood, sweat and tears April 6, 2010 at 8:39 am #

    it is not. you are saying that everyone who goes to target and buys a charm/pendant and puts it on a chain, hers or newly bought, is crafting. if they buy it on a chain it is not? crafting is making something out of what you are given. i think….i think…..i think…..this is my opinion. If one took multiples of charms, pendants, beads an put them on a chain, that is assemblage. the effect of keeping items off etsy which are purely buying a pendant and putting it on a chain would help even the minimal assemblers who are doing something one step beyond one commercial charm/one commercial chain. most of the people who do this actually have items which i have no problem with. it is you who are putting the judgment into this conversation.

  22. excuse me April 6, 2010 at 8:54 am #

    If you call out in the forums that hand assembling is supposedly exploiting a loophole, then yes, you are being judgmental that this doesn’t belong on Etsy, because it’s s not good enough. You you are insinuating that those of us who craft this way are getting away with something.

  23. ~di~ May 7, 2010 at 11:41 pm #

    What is abcd?

  24. Janice April 14, 2011 at 2:45 pm #

    IMO–Handmade is making something from nothing. I have been going to craft shows most of my life and love seeing the art of others. I have made pottery on the wheel and hand-built. I now make jewelry out of precious metals, etc… I do use a computer in some of my process.

    The idea that there is a snobbery as one suggested above comes from a lack of either knowing first hand at what it feels like to make from ones own hands. It is not taught much anymore at schools… though I do think there has been a resurgence from young people. If it is snobbery, than yes, consider me a snob, because when a site or art show/craft venue advertises and promotes handmade, it better be handmade in my opinion and from the person or friend/family member of the person making it, otherwise it is false advertising period and confuses the public. Yes, I have purchased cute items at my grocery store that looked handmade. I knew it wasn’t or at least not handmade locally. But I knew this. I figure, most of the public knows handmade and fake handmade or handmade overseas by cheap labor. If they don’t it is our job as craftspeople to educate the public on our process. We can’t compete with an assembler or overseas manufacturer. It is apples and oranges.

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