3 Stupid Listings

22 Apr

SwedishBlonde79
http://www.etsy.com/listing/37415497/elegant-avon-kjl-feather-brooch-mib
This is a beautiful KJL feather brooch new in box.It is rare to find KJL in their original box. It has sold for 89.00 and is 90.00 on other jewelry web sites, do the research. It is way under priced for what it’s worth.
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fashiontina
http://www.etsy.com/listing/34990205/gucci-horsebit-purse-vintage-gucci-scarf
They threw in a vintage scarf so maybe you wouldn’t notice all the price tags…

have paired a vintage Gucci scarf with an authentic Tom Ford era New with tag bag Scarf has a Gucci tag that says 100%seta A norma Della Legge 883 Del 26-11-73 Dry clean only cool iron 100%silk Made In Italy

Beautiful Gucci Monogram Horsebit purse with original price tag and receipt.675.00 in 2003 Purchased in 2003 Saks Fifth Ave. It has never been carried.It was designed during the famous Tom Ford era at Gucci Bag has great design and look .Monogram fabric gold hardware a zipper closure and an inside zipper compartment dark leather trim and handle.Lining is brown fabric.Many believe Tom Ford era Gucci purses are more stylish than the newer bags If you look at the new styles you will see that yourself
Bag comes with attached price tag copy of original receipt with personal info masked

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ArtnVintagebyDesign
http://www.etsy.com/listing/40499228/miniature-furniture-dj-stand
marked Mattel 1999

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58 Responses to “3 Stupid Listings”

  1. somebody else, not me April 22, 2010 at 10:05 am #

    just searched handmade for avon…..soooo many ‘mistags’

  2. RocksInMySocks April 22, 2010 at 10:36 am #

    Perfect! SweedishBlonde is back with her Furburger lip gloss:

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/37444116/vintage-avon-funburger-lip-pomade-1970s

  3. Amused April 22, 2010 at 10:40 am #

    Furburger lip gloss

    LOL

  4. Life During Wartime April 22, 2010 at 10:56 am #

    Shop no.1: this item wasn’t even handmade by KJL himself, let alone the seller. Etsy is indifferent to the issue of vintage/used items listed as ‘handmade’ by sellers who think Etsy = cheaper Ebay. I’ve given up on flagging these violations. It’s a pointless waste of time.

    Shop no.2: actually this is not the stupidest listing in her shop. I’d rate the jewelry with faux Chanel logos attached as EtsyWTF or Regretsy worthy. Chanel should threaten her with legal action, but the jewelry is sooooo tacky that I doubt they want to acknowledge its existence.

    Shop no.3: Another shop with a bunch of items too new to be vintage mixed in with legit older items. Etsy doesn’t care about the age of items listed as Vintage.

    Very amusing callouts, though.

  5. notvintage April 22, 2010 at 1:16 pm #

    The Mattel piece is another case of miscategorizing. Etsy encourages this by leaving the tagging instructions as they are: clear as mud. Periodically, people bring this up in the forums and the answer is always the same: it’s either on the radar or a brand new idea that they will refer to the techs.
    BOTH LIES.

  6. Staticcling April 22, 2010 at 1:17 pm #

    *Used* lip gloss older than me=vintage treasure? Just think what she can do with her vintage Kotex! Pass a puke plate, please.

  7. boots April 22, 2010 at 1:26 pm #

    OT but I really think Etsy is f$%*ing with us and purposely putting up beige and white wash front pages! they have to be reading this

  8. itstinks April 22, 2010 at 3:32 pm #

    Ug, the beige and white front pages. They make me want to cry.

  9. Crocheted Little Things April 22, 2010 at 5:27 pm #

    Just found this http://www.etsy.com/listing/32314174/fall-smocked-black-gypsy-belly-dancer
    posted on regretsy
    http://www.regretsy.com/2010/04/22/taiwan-on/

  10. wahwah April 22, 2010 at 6:27 pm #

    I made a T-east treasury with no color at all to see if it would make FP. 😛

  11. Michelle April 22, 2010 at 6:55 pm #

    I’ve been flagging that tom ford gucci purse for months. Good luck getting rid of that nightmare.

  12. Lizzy April 23, 2010 at 3:44 am #

    Type…Delete…. Is Etsy not removing violations because of the almighty dollar or are they worried about being sued?

  13. lala April 23, 2010 at 6:26 am #

    Off topic but check this out
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/thegraceboutique

    There is no way she’s making those dresses. Anyone know the wholesaler source?

  14. lala April 23, 2010 at 6:29 am #

    Another reseller http://www.etsy.com/shop/SweetSecret999
    I like how they include the bs picture of the woman sewing.

  15. lala April 23, 2010 at 6:31 am #

    Haha, same dress that got called out on Regrestsy yesterday by another seller:
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/42634194/happy-time-with-sea-green-halter-dress

    http://www.regretsy.com/2010/04/22/taiwan-on/#comments

  16. wahwah April 23, 2010 at 7:30 am #

    OT:

    I seriously hate title-stuffers. Especially ones that put words in that DON’T APPLY to the item! It’s yarn, it’s not a hat, a blanket, an egg (?), and whatever else she freaking has them labeled.

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/OrganicMamas

  17. ugh April 23, 2010 at 10:52 am #

    monkeysnmermaids

    Reseller shop was called out on Regretsy and now are threatening to sue. Saw the legal letter on Regretsy’s fan page.

  18. Life During Wartime April 23, 2010 at 11:27 am #

    monkeysnmermaids must be the busiest crafter in history. She sews women’s garments. She crochets swimwear. She solders glass and metal pendants. She makes strings of fairy lights, and will custom dye the plants for them. She even attaches hundreds of fabric flowers to plastic purses, and uses children to field test them for durability. What I want to know is: how many of these crafts can she make simultaneously?

    No wonder she threatens legal action when a blog tells the world her deceiving panties are on fire.

  19. EtsyFail April 23, 2010 at 11:54 am #

    Life During Wartime- My she is busy! She’s even making this dress for this other seller!

    http://www.regretsy.com/2010/04/22/taiwan-on/#comments

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/42634194/happy-time-with-sea-green-halter-dress

  20. MadeByM**** April 23, 2010 at 11:59 am #

    I was just coming over to bring that up, ugh and Life! Kind of entertaining……..more people are flagging her shop but kind of doubting it will work………

  21. Life During Wartime April 23, 2010 at 2:00 pm #

    I don’t think flagging her will work either, MadebyM****. Considering the number of times she’s been called out, there must have been hundreds of flags sent to admin about her shop…and she’s still open.

    But I am awestruck that Regretsy busted her. I totally take back anything I ever said about ‘Helen’ being in the resellers’ corner (not that I think Regretsy should be about calling out). But I think the WTF rating of a crafted-by-the-seller item is higher than an item made in a factory by kids in a developing nation.

  22. ??? April 25, 2010 at 2:07 pm #

    what happened to the lego block infringement listing?

  23. detroit April 25, 2010 at 3:52 pm #

    Yeah – lego lady, what happened to your post? She was legitimately called out for TM infringement. WAY better ECO than lego legal team.

    Monkeysnmermaids drive me NUTS. They are so full of shit. If you seach ebay for ‘Maxi dress’ for example, and limit the search to items being shipped from Thailand, you will find all their stuff, from a variety of sellers – the ‘grecian’ dresses, the hippie style summer dresses, etc.

    ETSY!!! They are shitty resellers! Get a clue!

  24. detroit April 25, 2010 at 3:57 pm #

    I’m going to post some links to monkey BS – hope they come thru soon…

  25. detroit April 25, 2010 at 3:59 pm #

    Here’s an exact copy – same catalog pix and everything. Not they first time they’ve been called out for using the EXACT same pix as other resellers:

    Look at this Ebay store (Davinci660) – and click on the second thumbnail (the cream one):

    http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Ladies-Summer-Long-Maxi-Dress-S-M-L-US-4-6-8-10-12-/260576723378?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_CSA_WC_Dresses&var=&hash=item8262d2a3d2

    _____________________________________________________________

    From Monkeys:

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/43855768/sexy-cream-floral-regal-tube-dress

    EXACT SAME DRESS! Same picture, same jewelry.

    BuLL- SHYTE!

  26. Life During Wartime April 25, 2010 at 7:03 pm #

    I am wondering how many of the resellers that have been called out here on ECO will be opening on Ruby Lane’s new subsite:
    http://www.rubyplaza.com/

    The Garden Barn, previously called out on ECO, is there already. So far she is listing only vintage items. I guess if resellers ‘come out’ on Ruby Plaza as, well, resellers they might be in trouble? This scenario has the potential for a lot of drama, and I am keeping popcorn handy because I am a jealous hating bitch who has no life. And because right now all my camera batteries are in the charger.

    I dunno if this is supposed to be competition for Etsy. It’s a women’s site with vintage, handmade, new reseller fashion/jewelry/decor, antique repops (read: FAKES) and collectibles (old and new) all jumbled together. Supposedly there are standards, but darned if I could find them.

    So far this site looks like it could be a huge boost for Etsy! Ruby Plaza is drab and very awkward to navigate, and it incorporates many of the awful Ruby Lane features like the ‘clicks’ search ranking, huge price and feature advantages extended to some shops, and the Ruby’s searches have always annoyed me way beyond anything on Etsy. It’s Etsy on hormone replacement therapy…I am in my 50s, and the look and feel of Ruby Plaza is way too old for me! Please Please Please Etsy —– fix your site NOW! Send the resellers over to Ruby Plaza!

  27. Angel April 25, 2010 at 9:02 pm #

    http://DeepSpacePhotography.etsy.com

    Awesome. Also…the whole “public domain” thing is tenuous at best given that some of the images require express permission to use.

    http://hubblesite.org/

    Most of the images that are for sale are actually on the Hubble site in “letter size print options”, meaning that the seller just has to have their printer turned on and click once….

  28. Laura April 26, 2010 at 5:44 am #

    LOL Wartime!

    Have you seen goantiques.com? I actually like how the catergories are separated into vintage/collectibles, but there is no subsearch and it’s too tedious.

  29. detroit April 26, 2010 at 7:38 am #

    Okay – what’s going on? Am I going crazy here? The regretsy Monkeys callout seemingly disappeared? (Click on the link above from Etsy fail).

    And I submitted some ebay reseller links in the comments that haven’t gone thru (for monkeys too).

    Are the resellers getting all legally-threaty?

    If (though it’s VERY, VERY hard to believe), they are actually handmaking all this stuff (sewing, jewelry making, decor making, etc), and wholesaling it (to ebay, alibaba, other etsy resellers – they seem to have time to make thousands of these things), show us – prove it. And it can be settled once and for all!

  30. it stinks April 26, 2010 at 8:20 am #

    What’s going on here at ECO?

    Are you going to tell us where the last post went?

  31. Em April 26, 2010 at 8:59 am #

    I’m so confused! I always look forward to a new post, but now we’ve gone backwards 😦

  32. Life During Wartime April 26, 2010 at 9:41 am #

    Laura, I had a shop on GoAntiques in the past. I did fairly well there until they started running their ‘live auctions’ and promoting this feature above all else. (Live Auctions only included items above a certain price point, so sellers were inflating the ‘estimated value’ and asking price to be included in this free feature — ruining Go’s marketplace integrity.)

    But my items were so visible on Google, that I continued to make a few sales months after my contract expired and my shop was closed. The email at the link to the closed shop was still active so buyers contacted me directly when they saw an empty shop.

    I’ve sold on, I think, 8 different venues so I have a wide experience of their features — and failures — to compare.

    Go’s search can be tedious, you’re right. The site has too few category breakdowns, so a shopper has to know exactly what they are looking for, and sellers have to ID their items in a way a collector will use to search. Not so good for ‘nameless’ collectibles and handmade items. There is no way to browse effectively.

  33. MadeByM**** April 26, 2010 at 10:22 am #

    It seems like in the past there was a seller that complained to WordPress about one of the call out posts and then she got shut down or something? I hope it didn’t happen again…….. : (

  34. WTFISAPDF April 26, 2010 at 10:25 am #

    Where did the last post go?

    I wrote to Lego’s legal department Saturday and just received a response. If I recall correctly, Rubygirl said she wrote to them and never heard back.

    The response I got back thanked me for reporting it to the company. I was told that they take their trademark very serious and are “looking deeper” into Rubygirl’s Etsy shop.

    There was a phone number included in case I could offer more information. They got back to me very quickly and I take it from the reply, they don’t fool around.

  35. MadeByM**** April 26, 2010 at 10:26 am #

    Good job, WTFISAPDF!

  36. MadeByM**** April 26, 2010 at 10:30 am #

    Gawd, do a search on LEGO on Etsy and look at how many items pull up……not just Rubygirl’s!

  37. Life During Wartime April 26, 2010 at 11:03 am #

    WTFISAPPDF, wow! I thought that might be a load of BS about the company not bothering to get back to her, and now we know.

    The issue with calling out, with links and documentation is that it connects us with a wider world than just the Etsy community. Some of the callouts involve more violations than just the Etsy TOU. Like the issue with Lego.

    I dunno what is up with the Monkeys callout and Regretsy. The items Monkeys sells are no doubt handmade, but not by the person running the shop. I recall when Regretsy blog was new, items clearly not handmade by the seller (imported factory crafts) were treated as if the seller made them. Regretsy is a kind of business in itself, and it might benefit them to call items out in such a way that is profitable for both the seller and Regretsy, bending the truth as needed.

    The wider world mostly does not care who made a ‘handmade’ item and under what working conditions. Nor does the wider world care if ‘vintage’ is an age, a style, or the designer’s wishful thinking. I think the reseller shops are concerned about callouts that question the branding of their business as ‘handmade’ or ‘vintage’ in the widest possible sense, regardless of how these terms are defined in Etsy’s TOU. Which is one reason why Etsy needs to remove these shops from the site.

  38. JohnCocktoasten April 26, 2010 at 11:57 am #

    Well, 172 points to everyone for that fiasco.

  39. WTFISAPDF April 26, 2010 at 12:02 pm #

    @madebym
    I think the difference with Rubygirl is that she is copying their trademarked name on her own work, while the others are making jewelry and things like that from actual Lego’s. What Rubygirl is doing is probably considered much more serious because of that.

    I was pleased to get an actual personal message and not a generated reply. It was very clear that they are going to investigate Rubygirl’s shop. I was provided with phone numbers to call if I could provide more information and an email address where I could send any other information I might have.

    They were very grateful that I contacted them and made them aware of this.

    What I find odd is that she said she contacted them and never heard back. I heard back in less than two days.

  40. detroit April 26, 2010 at 12:43 pm #

    What WTF said – you can use whatever materials you want to make something and sell it. This particular ring is branded lego – as if lego made it. That’s infringement. The whole point of trademarks is so that consumers can distinguish the origin of the things they buy.

    Since the previous thread was deleted – WTF – not sure who you wrote to. I got this as the address of Lego’s US legal representation for their trademarks. These people should know the deal:

    DAVID EHRLICH
    FROSS ZELNICK LEHRMAN & ZISSU, P.C.
    866 UNITED NATIONS PLZ
    NEW YORK, NY 10017-1822
    Phone Number: (212) 813-5900

    And yes – I’ve worked in TMs before. TM departments cannot possibly monitor the whole internet, or world, and most certainly do rely on reports from consumers.

    The lego rings are truly cute – I wish her no ill will. I’m sure Lego doesn’t want to shut down her business either. She just needs to recast them without the ‘lego’ on the rings.

  41. MadeByM**** April 26, 2010 at 12:59 pm #

    WTFISAPDF and Detroit………yes, that’s definitely worse! And she thinks by adding her “waiver” that she’s protected!

    “LEGO® is a trademark of the LEGO Group of companies which does not sponsor, authorize or endorse this product.”

    She’s making money off of their brand name!

  42. MadeByM**** April 26, 2010 at 1:03 pm #

    It’s been said above that you can use whatever materials to make your stuff………I think you still need to be careful with that as well……

  43. detroit April 26, 2010 at 1:17 pm #

    I agree Madeby, I was just oversimplifying to try to make the point that Lego ring lady was taking it to a new level.

    I have mixed feelings about intellectual property law, and the ownership of ideas. Especially since it so often seems it’s the big corporations going after the little guy.

    But, if I start a company, and work hard to build my brand. And people come to know and expect a certain quality of goods from me, you can bet I’d be upset if someone else started using my brand name in some way.

    Though, in the interest of healthy democracy, I think fair use of protected material – to discuss, criticize or parody brands (or other forms of IP) should always be welcomed.

  44. detroit April 26, 2010 at 1:22 pm #

    And speaking of intellectual property (I’m done procrastinating, errr posting after this one, I swear!), I really hope the posts on monkeysandmermaids (on regretsy), and lego lady here were pulled due to editorial decisions by the owners, and not censorship by wordpress, or the webhosts, in response to legal threats.

    What kind of a word do we live in when you can’t discuss, criticize or parody others – be they individuals or companies. It’s the American way, durnit!

    Now, pass me some freedom fries! lol.

    Free speech!!!

  45. MadeByM**** April 26, 2010 at 1:45 pm #

    My guess is that’s what happened, Detroit, since it happened in the past and ECO had to move to Blogger for a short time…..

  46. ugh April 26, 2010 at 2:04 pm #

    well, its cool they replied to you & all, but I don’t know how much they are going to care about investigating & removing her items.

    Some companies do, obviously, Hello Kitty did a few years back & I think Summit Entertainment cracked down on the Twilight infringement.

    However I contacted Disney, Sanrio, and Nickelodeon a few months ago & there are still thousands of infringement items on etsy. I guess these companies need to determine if its really worth it to shut down a bunch of crafters on some “indie” site.

    And I still think its ridiculous & bad business that Etsy doesn’t remove items like this themselves. They get their panties in a wad if you use their logo without permission. I wish some of the big companies would sue Etsy; screw their lame ‘we’re just a venue excuse.

  47. detroit April 26, 2010 at 3:52 pm #

    ugh – who did you contact? If you go to USPTO dot GOV, and do a trademark search under ‘search marks’. You can find one of their recent registered trademarks. Click on the record and look at the status (TARR status).

    Scroll way down the record to the attorney / correspondent part of the record.

    There you can find who their US trademark legal reps are.

    I think if you just send the info to the company in general – they have no idea what to do with the info. Their lawyers, OTOH, have an interest in pursuing such things. Billable hours – ya know?

    For example, for disney, I came up with:

    Steven Plotkin
    THE WALT DISNEY COMPANY
    Corporate Legal- Trademark Department
    500 S BUENA VISTA ST
    BURBANK CA 91521-0643
    Phone Number: 818-560-7646
    Fax Number: 818-848-6424

  48. detroit April 26, 2010 at 4:07 pm #

    Oh – for infringement in other countries – most countries have similar national databases (to the USPTO site). For example – the European Union has OHIM / CTM online. There you can search trademarks, and figure out who to write to in the case of infringement.

    And because of the way the law is structured, at least in the US, companies take infringement VERY seriously. They HAVE to. If they let people use their mark, and don’t police it, they risk losing rights to their mark. For example aspirin, escalator, thermos, ZIPPER?? – were all trademarks at one time. But the TM owners lost control of the use of the mark. Now anyone can use it.

  49. ugh April 26, 2010 at 4:59 pm #

    I went on their respective websites, looked for the legal department, & emailed the contact for trademarks/infringement – whatever it was labeled.

    I really do think these companies think its a losing battle. Unless they really are getting evidence together to sue Etsy.

    And, for anyone who comes on & say don’ t you have anything better to do?!!? Why, I do. It includes selling my wares on a site NOT clogged with people who have no imagination and have to steal other people’s designs and characters to make money.

  50. detroit April 26, 2010 at 5:26 pm #

    Like anything legal – it can take a long time. In my experience, we’d send infringers a cease and desist letter, wait 90 days, check back and see if they’d complied. If not, write another warning letter. Check back in 90 days. Do more research. Ratchet up the tone. Then start to see what we could do about contacting the hosts (ebay, the internet service provider, whoever) with evidence.

    So, as you can see, the whole process can take many months, if not a year or more. You have to give people and slow organizations time.

    So, don’t give up hope. The things you alerted them to may be well in the pipeline.

  51. detroit April 26, 2010 at 5:33 pm #

    And nope! Not a losing battle! It’s a battle that keeps lawyers in business all over the world. lol. Like I said – they’re likely working on it. And trying to negotiate with Etsy too.

    It doesn’t matter how puny the infringer may seem to you and me. In order to maintain their exclusive rights to a trademark, companies HAVE to defend them, at their expense. Lest they wander into xerox, and hackey sack territory.

  52. etsycallout April 26, 2010 at 6:12 pm #

    WordPress has closed down posting AGAIN. Will keep you posted.

  53. etsycallout April 26, 2010 at 6:39 pm #

    ***************AS BEFORE, UNTIL THIS IS RESOLVED WITH WORDPRESS WE WILL BE AT:

    http://etsycallout.blogspot.com/

  54. ugh April 26, 2010 at 7:03 pm #

    that’s ridiculous ECO.

    WordPress = Etsy in rewarding people who break the rules.

  55. MadeByM**** April 27, 2010 at 5:04 am #

    I knew it!

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