Kainkain

10 May

The popular Etsy shop Kain-Kain ( http://www.etsy.com/shop/Kainkain ) has a profile that reads:

Hi! I am living in Jakarta with my husband and our beautiful daughter.
This is my full time job for last 5 years. Formerly for almost 10 years I worked in Financial Company and did it as hobby only. Until one time, I realized that my passion is here and left my full time job.
I work in my workshop at the first floor of my home so I can works and still have much time with my daughter.
Other than Etsy, I also have a website to show my products and wholesale selling. Please visit and find more about me and my works.
http://www.icon-home.com

This paragraph is followed by a very long list of accomplishments, including 13 Storque features. It reads:

Etsy
My item was chosen by Etsy Guest Curator on March 09
http://www.etsy.com/storque/spotlight/guest-curator-amy-butler-3500/
In The Storque article on March 26, 2009
http://www.etsy.com/storque/reviews/news-from-the-craft-style-blogosphere-march-26-2009-3663/
In the storque article on May 2009
http://www.etsy.com/storque/etsy-news/weddings-showcase-on-sale-thursday-may-14-2009-at-12-pm-est-3943/
in the storque article on June 2009
http://www.etsy.com/storque/handmade-life/from-seedling-to-sachet-growing-your-own-wedding-4059/
In the storque article on July 2009
http://www.etsy.com/storque/spotlight/etsy-finds-light-and-sweet-4423/
In the storque article on August 11, 2009
http://www.etsy.com/storque/spotlight/etsy-finds-green-with-envy-4699/
In the storque article on September 6, 2009
http://www.etsy.com/storque/spotlight/etsy-finds-decor-kid-friendly-vintage-5091/
In the storque article on September 28, 2009
http://www.etsy.com/storque/spotlight/etsy-finds-harvest-moon-5337/
In the storque article on October 2, 2009
http://www.etsy.com/storque/craftivism/our-thoughts-go-out-to-our-friends-in-asia-5481/
In the storque article on December 6, 2009
http://www.etsy.com/storque/spotlight/etsy-finds-decor-im-dreaming-of-a-white-christmas-6329/
In the storque article on December 13, 2009
http://www.etsy.com/storque/spotlight/etsy-finds-decor-home-for-the-holidays-6423/
In the storque article on April 17, 2010
http://www.etsy.com/storque/spotlight/etsy-finds-southern-exposure-7886/
In the storque article on April 19, 2010
http://www.etsy.com/storque/handmade-life/food-from-scratch-a-little-craftiness-in-the-kitchen-goes-a–7691/
In the storque article on May 2, 2010
http://www.etsy.com/storque/spotlight/etsy-finds-decor-curb-alert-8070/

Surely, a shop with that much attention follows the rules, right?

I visited Icon Home website (from the Kain-Kain Etsy profile) and read the “About” section ( http://www.icon-home.com/aboutus.html ).

It reads:

“Icon Home founded in 2001, owned by Jenny Januarti acting also as

the designer.
Icon Home is a small company with some workers in our workshop in
Jakarta. We also co-operate with some workers outside our
workshop to produce some of our collections.
Work in small environment and small batch production allow us to
give character and soul on our product and allow for more
controllable product, ensuring we deliver only high quality linen to our customer.”

According to Etsy’s TOU ( http://www.etsy.com/dosdonts.php ), I find it hard to believe that this shop meets the guidelines for a collective. And if it does, the owner must fully disclose the names, roles, and relationships of the so-called “workers” in their “workshop” (as well as the other “workers” they “co-operate” with):

Multiple people using a single account (collective shops)
DOs and DON’Ts > Membership > Multiple people using a single account (collective shops)

An account that involves more than one person is called a collective. There are three scenarios, outlined below, in which multiple people who know each other may use a single Etsy account.

Collaboration: Artisans combine their skills to make and list handmade products in an Etsy shop. For example:

* One artist screen prints fabric, then another artist sews clothing from the fabric. The finished product is listed in a collective Etsy shop.

Sharing a Shop: Multiple people who know each other use a single Etsy account to post their own separate items in one shared shop. For example:

* Two jewelers share a collective Etsy shop, but they create and list their own jewelry items in the shop.
* Friends, a painter and a furniture maker, share a collective Etsy shop to sell their work together.
* Vintage sellers share a shop to sell their vintage finds together.

Shop Management Help: Someone helps a friend or family member in the same household or shared physical space manage their Etsy account. For example:

* A person helps a friend or family member list or ship an item. The item is listed in their collective Etsy shop.
* With permission and supervision of a parent or legal guardian who is at least 18 years of age, a minor and an adult have an Etsy shop together. Per Etsy’s Membershippolicies, the adult is responsible for the account.

If your shop is a collective, you must comply with all of Etsy’s policies, including these additional policies specifically for collectives:

* A collective may not be an entity that represents multiple artists by contract (for example: a gallery, a consignment shop, an art agency/dealer).
* Because of the laws concerning charitable fundraising, a charitable collective shop must comply with Etsy’s Charitable listings and shops policies.
* The Public Profile page for the account must fully disclose accurate information about each person, their role in the Etsy shop and the relationships between the members of the collective. Etsy may ask for additional information and require that the shop comply with additional requirements.
* The individual who registers the account is responsible for all activities of the account, the bill and any transactions. This includes participation in community features of the site.
* All standard listing policies (see Shops and Listings) apply to collective Etsy shops. All handmade items must be created by members of the collective.

Members who do not comply with Etsy’s policies may be subject to review, which can result in suspension of account privileges and/or termination. Suspended or terminated members remain obligated to pay Etsy for all unpaid fees per our Terms of Use. If any of Etsy’s policies are violated by a member of a collective, all accounts registered to members of the collective are subject to suspension of privileges and/or account termination. Etsy will not mediate disputes between individuals within a collective.

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69 Responses to “Kainkain”

  1. jcjohn May 10, 2010 at 9:22 am #

    English must not be a first language……

    A shop with so many sales will probably be found “etsy legit”.

  2. somebody else, not me May 10, 2010 at 9:33 am #

    I have a few friends with silver companies in Bali, they all have their living quarters where their workers work….this is not unique. If they allow this company on Etsy, they may as well allow my friends’ companies on here. You can tell by the price of the hand embroidery, they are not paying these employees much. This isn’t a cooperative. They admit to outsourcing. How can a lone embroiderer in nearly every other country compete with their prices. It is starting to look like a Pier 1 shop here! ay carumba!
    Maybe I should tell my friends how easy it is to take advantage of the TOUs on Etsy. Don’t worry, not only would I not do it, but they wouldn’t do it. They actually are ethical people.

  3. JajieBo May 10, 2010 at 10:09 am #

    Etsy is letting a shop break the TOU because they’re making lots of sales? What a shocker.

  4. Life During Wartime May 10, 2010 at 10:18 am #

    This was like 4 years ago, but I swear I remember Rob, or some other Etsy spokeskeyboard, commenting that the purpose of Etsy was so that the lone embroiderer or true co-operative wouldn’t have to compete on the site with businesses like this.

    Just because it has a small number of employees doesn’t mean it’s not a factory, or even a sweatshop factory. When I moved to the state where I live now 20 years ago, there were like a dozen small garment factories in tiny towns (less than 1,000 residents) all over the rural area near where I lived. The employees were horribly underpaid according to some mind-bending piece work formula, and the workers were only semi-literate. Gosh, I think their workplaces qualified as Etsy legit if kainkain is legit.

    Why doesn’t Etsy come out and say it: our investors heart factory produced stuff?

  5. somebody else, not me May 10, 2010 at 10:46 am #

    I used to ship for a guy who made metal animals, birds, insects, and he started off cutting his own designs with a torch. Then discovered plasma cutting factory, hired workers to bend and finish them, and all he did was sign them. then he had a worker sign them, then he mechanically signed them. he still passed his stuff off as made by him. when i realized he wasn’t being honest about this, we parted under unfortunate circumstances. he had even begun using the computer designed creatures of his lead employee without crediting him on his website or literature. I have no problem with little businesses such as his, but i do have a problem with his ‘competing’ in the art world, with ‘hands on’ artisans.

  6. JK May 10, 2010 at 10:57 am #

    I embroider, and seeing prices so low alone would make me think that either this is someone undervaluing their work or a reseller, but the sheer volume of pieces combined with cheap prices always sways me toward believing it’s the latter. Sad, really. I don’t like seeing people take credit for the work of others.

  7. crazy cat lady May 10, 2010 at 12:07 pm #

    This was like 4 years ago, but I swear I remember Rob, or some other Etsy spokeskeyboard, commenting that the purpose of Etsy was so that the lone embroiderer or true co-operative wouldn’t have to compete on the site with businesses like this.

    __________________

    I remember that too, and I think the TOS were changed a year or so ago – I just remember rumble in the forums about this a while back – that that was no longer the rule. It’s probably a “case by case basis” *headdesk

  8. jenn May 10, 2010 at 12:34 pm #

    Etsy is getting more frustrating every day.
    I hate that they selectively ignore their own TOUs.

    I know they read this blog and the comments, and it is mind boggling that they haven’t yet addressed the many remarks about their lack of professionalism and integrity.

    WTF?

  9. ugh May 10, 2010 at 1:27 pm #

    i agree with the under pricing. satin stitching large designs such as those takes an un-godly amount of time. the last design i did took me 4 days off and on. i charged triple what they are charging! i even felt like i was under pricing my own work!

    it makes me wonder too what they are paying their employees.

  10. detroit May 10, 2010 at 1:56 pm #

    This reminds me of the flap about the Etsy seller from the UK who did an interview with a blog. She talked about how she was so successful, she had to outsource to a factory (excuse me, fair trade collective of workers) in India to produce her printed bags.

    When people pointed out it was no longer handmade, but a small mass production operation – well, all the usual epithets were used…..jealous, hater, mean, wrong…

    I can’t remember who she was. I’ll look. I’m sure she’s still enjoying great success on Etsy, having third world labor make her items. LOL.

  11. wahwah May 10, 2010 at 2:03 pm #

    This seriously makes my blood boil.

  12. detroit May 10, 2010 at 2:04 pm #

    Ha ha! Yep! It was showpony (http://www.etsy.com/shop/showpony).

    Her profile used to mention her outsourcing to India. That’s why she was mentioned here.

    Well, poof, it’s not there anymore – the part about India. Rather than admit the truth, she’d outgrown Etsy, and could no longer maintain the handmade ethic – she just lies in her profile.

    I’m not a seller, and have therefore never had a success of that nature. But I’d hope I’d have better ethics.

  13. jenn May 10, 2010 at 2:09 pm #

    Huh, Showpony’s stuff isn’t “all that”, imho.
    And isn’t it against the TOU to have a listing that depends on the purchase of another listing?
    She has a shipping upgrade listing for $7, but that’s not allowed, is it?

    (I’m not a seller so am not 100% sure. If it isn’t allowed I’m going to flag it. Just to annoy them 😉 )

  14. Life During Wartime May 10, 2010 at 2:12 pm #

    I suggest it is time for a revision to the Etsy fee structure, and here are my ideas:

    If Etsy is going to allow outsourcing of labor sellers, small factories/mega collectives, then their listing fee should be 50 cents per item for a 2 month listing + a per month shop fee of $10. When a shop is opened of this type, a special icon will displayed on all of its pages to make shoppers aware that this is a bigger business than an artisan making their own stuff. I think their products could appear in the handmade categories…but not sure?

    Handmade by the individual or small collective (pick a size?) fees should remain as they are.

    Supply shops could pay 5 cents for a one month listing. I don’t think the current 4 month listing is fair to shops which sell mostly inexpensive items that turn over much faster than 120 days.

    Vintage fees should be increased to 50 cents per item for a 4 month listing + a $5 per month shop fee. I sell vintage. I have sold handmade jewelry at a local co-op, and designing/handmaking is much harder work than shopping for + researching vintage IF YOU KNOW YOUR BUSINESS. IMO anyway.

    If Etsy makes more money from a factory made listing than a regular handmade listing, it will give the investors the nudge they need to pressure admin to identify resellers and manufacturer representative shops.

    Sale percentage fees would remain the same for all items, for now.

    Just my opinion here, but feel free to hate on me!

  15. detroit May 10, 2010 at 2:26 pm #

    ohmeohmy (whoever that is) said she made screenshots of showpony’s profile, where she said she outsourced, and sent it to Michelle.

    Store’s still there. Verbiage in the profile about outsourcing to the third world no longer is. (instead it’s now about how she has rescue dogs, and went to art school – lol)

    I smell ‘coaching’. Or maybe she just got a clue when she was called out.

    Hope she feels great about herself!

    LDW – seems like you’re idea is a good compromise. In your fee schedule – there’s incentive for Etsy to find resellers.

    But still, real crafters can’t compete with the prices on showpony (she said she drastically lowered her prices when she outsourced, and some of her previous customers were mad – lol), or the store that’s the subject of this post. No way real embroiderers can compete.

    Either way – resellers win. Thing is, there are so many other venues for resellers – basically everything else. Why they gotta ruin Etsy??

    I would just hope if I ever had an idea that caught on 1) I wouldn’t decide to exploit third world labor to fill orders, and 2) If I could somehow justify it to myself, I’d leave Etsy – since if I stayed, I’d know I was undercutting people who follow the rules. I couldn’t sleep.

  16. detroit May 10, 2010 at 2:32 pm #

    Oh – I’m on a roll – lol. And another thing!!!!

    People said we were being ‘mean’, and ‘haters’ when we pointed out that outsourcing isn’t Etsy ‘legal’. (on the Showpony blog post)

    Well, I think these cheating stores are mean. Shoppers look at real handmade, then they look at this ridiculously cheap stuff, and buy it. Why not? It’s a better deal? It’s taking sales from genuine crafters. And creating the impression in people’s minds that something that legitimately takes hours and hours of painstaking work to make should cost $9.99!

  17. mandimon May 10, 2010 at 2:36 pm #

    Life During Wartime – I actually think that is a great idea. Money is probably the only incentive to get etsy admin to do their damn job.

  18. detroit May 10, 2010 at 2:41 pm #

    Okay – I’ve really gotta go start dinner now.

    If you google Jenny Januarti, on one wholesale website she says, in her profile, that she has 15 employees.

    From another profile on a China wholesale site:

    “Icon Home is an Indonesia Company established in 2001.
    We produce a wide range of embroidered home linen product, such as bed sheet, duvet cover, pillow case, cushion cover, table runner, placemat, napkin, etc.
    Different with other product, all of our products are embroidered using manual machine (notcomputerized embroidery machine) .
    The embroidery process starting with create the embroidery design on the paper, and then tracing the design to each piece of the fabric using tracing paper. After this process, our skillful and artful employee will embroidered each piece of fabric using manual machine embroidery. Since we employ very skillful person, our product is quite similar with hand embroidery and will be a fine home linen.
    Our main market is in Indonesia, we supply some major retail furniture chain in Indonesia, and some of our products have been export through buying agent.
    We hope through this site we can develop our market outside Indonesia. ”

    Hmm…sounds like a small factory to me.

  19. detroit May 10, 2010 at 2:43 pm #

    And here’s their Alibaba page:

    http://www.alibaba.com/member/needlework.html

  20. Pak May 10, 2010 at 2:43 pm #

    Maybe you should suggest that Etsy only limits itself to USA sellers. The fact is that US$9.99 is very good salary for one or two days work in many developing countries, and so these workers can “legitimately take hours and hours of painstaking work” to produce products

  21. detroit May 10, 2010 at 2:48 pm #

    Well, nothing wrong with someone from a developing nation handmaking their goods and selling them on Etsy for a low price.

    But, the fact is that a large percent of the goods from these countries are being ‘REsold’ by exploitative owners / bosses. They pay the people who actually made them pennies, then turn around and sell it on Etsy for a tidy sum.

    Or, they are running small factories (like this one). Etsy isn’t for goods made by employees in factories. All the other stores are.

  22. Life During Wartime May 10, 2010 at 2:49 pm #

    detroit, I don’t think Etsy is planning to eject the resellers and factory shops from the site, so their higher fees should be subsidizing the real handmade shops.

    For those shoppers who care about the ‘handmade movement’ (is that still a big deal ’cause I haven’t heard much about it lately?) a prominent icon — clickable to an explanation of what it means in clear simple language — will ID shops which sell items NOT handmade by the seller.

    My hope would be that even a slightly higher fee structure would be a disincentive to some of the resellers opening in the first place. Right now Etsy hits the super sweet spot for factory wares.

  23. detroit May 10, 2010 at 2:53 pm #

    And that goes for the US, or abroad.

    I’d hate for all people from certain nations where there exists an established garment industry to be punished by being banned from Etsy because of Etsy’s unwillingness to police the site and follow its own rules.

    I love to buy crafts from China (for example) There are millions of talented craftspeople there. And they have wonderful traditions.

    However, because of how polluted Etsy has allowed itself to become, I can be very suspicious of a lot of overseas items. Like, what are the chances this person really made this???

  24. Christine May 10, 2010 at 2:54 pm #

    Reseller. All I can say is really? A Hello Kitty mouse?

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/PrettyGirlyXO

  25. clarification May 10, 2010 at 3:13 pm #

    Etsy has two different rules, one for collectives and one for production assistance.

    I don’t know if this applies here, but there have been several posts here on this blog that references rules for collectives that have nothing to do with rules for production assistance/employees.

    http://www.etsy.com/dosdonts.php#selling

    Production assistance for certain intermediary tasks in some crafts may be acceptable. The following policies govern use of production assistance in the creation of handmade items:

    * An assistant, under the direct supervision of the seller, may: assist with a portion of the creation process, list items in a shop, ship items, communicate with buyers, accounting or other record keeping.
    * A third-party vendor may be used for intermediary tasks in some crafts. Acceptable examples include, but are not limited to: printing the seller’s original artwork, metal casting from the seller’s original mold, or kiln firing the seller’s handcrafted ceramic work.
    * A third-party vendor may not fulfill your orders to your Etsy customers on your behalf (no drop-shipping).
    * An assistant or third-party vendor’s involvement may not comprise a majority share of a handmade item’s creation.

  26. clarification May 10, 2010 at 3:15 pm #

    I just looked at this shop again and I think the “production assistance” rules are what they are covered under.

    http://www.etsy.com/dosdonts.php#selling

    Production assistance for certain intermediary tasks in some crafts may be acceptable. The following policies govern use of production assistance in the creation of handmade items:

    * An assistant, under the direct supervision of the seller, may: assist with a portion of the creation process, list items in a shop, ship items, communicate with buyers, accounting or other record keeping.
    * A third-party vendor may be used for intermediary tasks in some crafts. Acceptable examples include, but are not limited to: printing the seller’s original artwork, metal casting from the seller’s original mold, or kiln firing the seller’s handcrafted ceramic work.
    * A third-party vendor may not fulfill your orders to your Etsy customers on your behalf (no drop-shipping).
    * An assistant or third-party vendor’s involvement may not comprise a majority share of a handmade item’s creation.

  27. imwithya May 10, 2010 at 3:15 pm #

    Christine~ I think she glues the rhinestones on them herself which would be ok to sell on Etsy… if they weren’t counterfeit Chanel and a Hello Kitty item.

  28. Etsy Person May 10, 2010 at 4:18 pm #

    We signed up at Etsy to sell and promote handmade/one of a kind arts and crafts. We agreed to a certain standard of behavior. Others are not complying with the same standards of behavior. How about a nice effective lawsuit?

  29. Cock O' the Block May 10, 2010 at 6:22 pm #

    I like the revised fee structure but how would a shop that sells vintage and handmade be assessed?

  30. Cat Power May 10, 2010 at 9:06 pm #

    Etsy Person…It would be nice if one of us was a lawyer and willing to do the work pro bono, however, so many of us are not selling anything at all, that we could never afford to hire anyone to do the necessary work.

    It’s a great idea, but too costly, I’m afraid.

  31. Amused May 10, 2010 at 9:15 pm #

    How has this shop been around so long with so many sales? I call BS on the handmade at those prices. Etsy is a total joke.

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/JessieJewelry

  32. Amused May 10, 2010 at 9:18 pm #

    OMG and I missed this gem in the shop announcement.

    “((((((HI,AND WELCOME TO MY ITSY SHOP))))))”

  33. Life During Wartime May 10, 2010 at 11:49 pm #

    Cock O’ the Block Says:
    May 10, 2010 at 6:22 pm
    I like the revised fee structure but how would a shop that sells vintage and handmade be assessed?

    ………………………………

    Or a handmade shop that also includes reseller items — there are shops with vintage and handmade and supplies and reseller stuff out there already, I’m sure.

    Ideally, the fee structure would discourage casual vintage selling, where shop owners feel they should be able to list an item or two from the back of the closet or a box in the garage. That’s what Ebay auctions are for. If you want to sell vintage in a professional manner you should open a vintage shop, but…I am thinking that handmade shops should be able to have maybe a few ‘destash’ listings active at a time charged according to the current fee structure. I’m not sure the effort involved in policing the ‘destash’ for violations (like last year’s wardrobe being passed off as vintage) would be worth it to Etsy.

    I think I recall some plan years ago to limit supply selling to a small number of destash listings per shop, and that could be considered again with an addition of a few vintage items per shop.

  34. Etsy Person May 11, 2010 at 8:31 am #

    I sell vintage on Etsy and Ebay. I see lots and lots and lots of crap that is not vintage. Its more like “last week at Big Lots”. They should have some oversight in this department because I frequently see crap on the FP – usually cowboy boots or some other thing that is less than 10 years old.

  35. Anon May 11, 2010 at 9:10 am #

    If there are people who aren’t being upfront about exceeding the current TOU, I don’t think they’d be upfront about any fee structure that would make them pay more. Am I wording this right? I need more coffee.

    And I’m not sure what’s wrong with casual vintage sellers as long as they know what they are selling. I inherited a lot of beautiful old glass recently and I’ve looked all the info up on them. I don’t have interest in keeping most of it and was thinking about selling them on Etsy. Why is that something that needs to be discouraged?

  36. blood, sweat and tears May 11, 2010 at 9:15 am #

    what i wrote with my flag of jessie the stay at home mom with 428 labor intensive listings of silver jewelry all imported.

    blatant reseller, ask any real silversmith! stay at home mom my eye! stays at home with her purchased inventory and resells to the detriment of real jewelers on etsy!

  37. wahwah May 11, 2010 at 10:37 am #

    So what does everyone think of the new Suggested Shops feature?

  38. Life During Wartime May 11, 2010 at 11:13 am #

    Anon, if you have “a lot of beautiful old glass”, that’s not the same thing has putting a couple pairs of cast-off shoes in your shop. I can’t speak for you, but I would be willing to pay 5 bucks per month to have a shop for a few dozen nice pieces of old glass. And you can link to your other Etsy shop(s) where you disclose your multiple Etsy IDs, right?

    You’re right about neither Etsy nor the violating shops caring as much as they should about the current TOU. Etsy has to ‘grow up’ and aim for a bit of professionalism. A re-evaluation by Etsy to decide what the site should be and where to take things from here is way overdue. Maybe they want to be the cheapest large venue with the funky flea market vibe. Or not.

    There are many more options than just the ones I suggested. I do think Etsy needs to make the resellers legit since it looks like they are doing squat about making them disappear. And vintage needs more oversight. In my opinion, the highest percentage of violations is in the vintage category. Many of the violators are people listing handmade as vintage — which would decrease dramatically if sellers had to pay more for a vintage listing and/or pay a monthly fee to sell vintage. A small number of sellers would pay to violate (like the ones putting non vintage in the vintage showcase now) and it would be up to Etsy to enforce the TOU…I know, a joke as things are now. But getting most of the handmade out of the vintage category would get more visibility for the actual vintage items.

  39. Life During Wartime May 11, 2010 at 11:20 am #

    wahwah, the feature doesn’t work for me. Months ago when Etsy first mentioned working on this using ‘favorited’ shops rather than purchase history or browsing habits to make suggestions, I deleted all my favorite shops from my profile and bookmarked them instead.

    From what I read in the forums this morning, it seems the feature picks shops to suggest based on how they rank in popularity: how many Etsy community members have favorited them. The feature is a useless bit of wankery for a shopper like me who doesn’t run with the herd.

    I’m wondering if I favorite all the shops in my resellers folder, will the feature clue me onto more reseller shops?

  40. Em May 11, 2010 at 11:34 am #

    I think the new feature is great in theory, the only flaw is that it does pick shops that have been hearted by a lot of people… but it seems to me that it could be easily fixable. I was looking forward to maybe showing up on some of the lists, but I have less than 400 hearts on my supply shop, and really popular shops have thousands, right? It’s kind of disappointing… in a perfect world, it would suggest shops that DON’T have a lot of hearts since the ones that do already have a shit ton of traffic.

    Eh, whatever. I don’t want get worked up over it.

  41. wahwah May 11, 2010 at 11:54 am #

    The sellers who love it seem to be the ones who benefit the most. One seller jumping on the “Yay suggestions!” bandwagon has been on the FP twice today already. She is probably at the top of all the suggestion lists.

  42. Life During Wartime May 11, 2010 at 12:16 pm #

    The Etsy SCAM bot has decided the painting shops are okay. This one has been open for more than 12 hours now:

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/oilpaintingw

    Pounced them early this morning, and added them to my resellers folder.

  43. Life During Wartime May 11, 2010 at 12:20 pm #

    Oh, and here’s another one:

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/floweroilpaints

    Also been active for 12+ hours now.

    Tibetvintages and haibo686 are both still open as well.

    No one sees these resellers loading up exactly 100 items very fast and saturating their categories? Really?

  44. Amused May 11, 2010 at 12:39 pm #

    I keep flagging them, already had, still there, huh? Making me sick.

  45. OhNo May 11, 2010 at 1:48 pm #

    Guess what seller is on my suggested sellers list today? KainKain of course! WTH?

  46. Life During Wartime May 11, 2010 at 2:40 pm #

    That really sux to get suggestions from Etsy that you shop a reseller!

  47. Blindman May 11, 2010 at 3:22 pm #

    Bind ETSY WTF I work as a clothing designer in Shanghai ??http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=28179294
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/46509149/silk-black-jumpsuit
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/45381939/silk-black-jumpsuit made in CHINA ALL RESELLER !!!! Correct ?

  48. JK May 11, 2010 at 3:36 pm #

    LDW, I don’t much care for the idea of having to pay more money because other people break the rules and Etsy doesn’t give them what they deserve. Why should I be punished for their lying and Etsy’s laziness?

  49. Life During Wartime May 11, 2010 at 4:53 pm #

    JK, the only people who would pay more are resellers/manufacturers and vintage shops. I sell vintage. I’d open a vintage shop on Etsy if something was done to keep handmade items (and now resellers, too) out of the vintage category. If there is a way to do it without raising fees to discourage people who don’t sell vintage from listing there, I’d love to see the fees kept the same as they are.

  50. ananemone May 11, 2010 at 5:45 pm #

    I’d buy more vintage on Etsy if there were a way for me to have more faith in the sellers. As it is, I’m always wondering…

  51. Amused May 11, 2010 at 11:52 pm #

    I just love when people watermark their copyrighted images. Asshats.

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/46240882/hello-kitty-and-her-jeans-macbook-skin

  52. Cock O' the Block May 12, 2010 at 6:23 am #

    There are a few crochet pattern sellers who aggressively copyright their afghan patterns of copyrighted characters. Hysterical.

  53. crazy cat lady May 12, 2010 at 6:34 am #

    wow, that suggested sellers thing? When I looked at my suggested sellers (most of which I liked, it’s true), all of them – that I looked at – had hearts in the thousands.

    Why do I predict TONS of “heart me an I’ll heart you back” begging posts in the forum?

  54. JK May 12, 2010 at 7:49 am #

    LDW, I also sell vintage and have done for years. I don’t think higher fees will do Etsy’s job for them (look at all the fake vintage on Ebay), and I simply don’t want to pay more because other people break the rules.

  55. Etsy Person May 12, 2010 at 7:51 am #

    Someone at Etsy is either reading this blog or enough people are flagging things they see here. The last three links are GONE. Yay!!!
    Keep on flaggin’……

  56. WTFISAPDF May 12, 2010 at 8:03 am #

    wahwah Says:
    May 11, 2010 at 11:54 am
    The sellers who love it seem to be the ones who benefit the most. One seller jumping on the “Yay suggestions!” bandwagon has been on the FP twice today already. She is probably at the top of all the suggestion lists.
    —————————————-

    Polestar is loving it, but then again, the know-everything-snark-of-the-year is always on the front page, so of course, she wants more attention.

    It’s something the attention whores love.

    As for vintage, I’ve been flagging a few things in OhFaro’s shop that aren’t vintage, sending proof, etc… and nadda thing done.

    It’s definitely selective screening.

  57. Amused May 12, 2010 at 8:57 am #

    I thought I was the only one that noticed Polestar constantly on the FP. I also thought OhFaro was perfect, you know, forum police and all.

  58. WTFISAPDF May 12, 2010 at 9:40 am #

    Polestar makes me want to hurl. She comes off in the forums as so self-deserving for all the attention she gets, as if she’s the only one. Her pics aren’t that great and her stuff is fugly.
    Go figure.

  59. Amused May 12, 2010 at 10:03 am #

    It seems those that get constant free promo from Etsy think they have arrived due to great products, pics, etc., and that those that aren’t promoted ad nauseum do not have these things and are jealous haters. Of course only a handful of sellers on Etsy have great pictures and products and are worthy, cough, cough!

  60. Flower May 12, 2010 at 11:29 am #

    I respected Polestar as a jewelry maker since some of her stuff is pretty and her pictures are well-blurred, but I lost all that when she literally told someone in a forum thread to shut the hell up. Her shop shows up on my recommendations…

  61. wahwah May 12, 2010 at 1:05 pm #

    PoleStar was on FP twice yesterday. Of course she’s all gung-ho about the suggested seller shit. She is probably on everyone’s list.

  62. uh-huh May 12, 2010 at 1:09 pm #

    polestar is on my suggested seller list

  63. ohmeohmy May 12, 2010 at 1:42 pm #

    Amused Says:
    May 10, 2010 at 9:15 pm
    How has this shop been around so long with so many sales? I call BS on the handmade at those prices. Etsy is a total joke.

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/JessieJewelry

    ————————-

    TOTAL reseller! You can find this crap on alibaba and traderlou’s.

    Etsy has gone to the dogs!

    On a happy note, portobello’s shop is empty. Hopefully, she will leave. she opened a shop on artfire.

  64. Amused May 12, 2010 at 4:55 pm #

    There is one seller on FP twice right now. Really????

  65. Miranda May 13, 2010 at 12:27 pm #

    Says right in the shop announcement it’s made in Indonesia, but sold in Canada:

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/silverfusion925

    Been reported, and nothing.

    What, if anything can be done?

  66. smashbo May 13, 2010 at 9:20 pm #

    I happen to like PoleStar.

    Her shop is simply lovely. I don’t think any amount of attention she receives is undeserved.

    What does that have to do with resellers?

  67. tenley May 19, 2010 at 10:26 am #

    money talks, bullshit walks.

  68. Pillowmio June 2, 2010 at 12:09 pm #

    Even with a computerized embroidery and beading machine, I don’t see how these pillow covers can be made for this price.

  69. Maulani July 24, 2010 at 11:16 pm #

    Oh noo!! From Indonesia! I live in Indonesia and i just gave this shop a heart! Should’ve be very selective before.
    This makes me want to sell MY handmade on Etsy to show off. But well, i found this blog right before i open my shop on Etsy and wow, i cannot say anything but i’ll think twice about opening shop on Etsy.

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