Reader Email – Cacaobakery

12 May

I have a seller to recommend for your website, but for somewhat fuzzy reasons. You see she doesn’t resell or mistag, but she does cancel transactions after completion to avoid negative feedback. That and she sent me damaged goods and ultimately refused to do anything about it. I wrote a yelp review article here: http://www.yelp.com/biz/cacao-sweets-and-treats-bakery-chicago#hrid:gIBOHtFMYd6R1MMsQY9NVA/src:self

Anyway just thought I’d recommend cacacobakery for the list. I want to make sure people know her “perfect” feedback of 60 is a lie.

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143 Responses to “Reader Email – Cacaobakery”

  1. WTFISAPDF May 12, 2010 at 9:39 am #

    There seems to be a lot of this going around Etsy. Sellers find out the customer is not pleased and Etsy allows a cancelled sale.

  2. shameshame May 12, 2010 at 11:11 am #

    I’m always a hesitant to do business with someone whose sales numbers are far greater than their feedback numbers. Yes, I know many people don’t leave feedback, but large discrepancies are what I’m referring to.

    Also, I think it is terrible that etsy does not have some form of automated system in place that would send an inquiry to the buyer to see if they have paid for the transaction and if so, any and all sales should stand.

  3. Life During Wartime May 12, 2010 at 11:11 am #

    Do people really buy food online without knowing what is in it?

    Natural is not the same thing as organic. If this seller listed her ingredients (no one expects here to put her recipe in the listings), buyers could see which ingredients are ‘organic’.

    Oh, and nothing I saw about this being a professional kitchen in accordance with local laws, either.

    Finally, cue the theme music for AS THE STOMACH TURNS…from her policies page:

    “(cacao) reuses and recycles packaging materials. Packing materials may be newspaper or magazine paper & EGG CARTONS (emphasis LDW). If you are ordering as a gift and would prefer tissue paper to be used, please send a note with your order.”

    Holy liquid shytte! Egg cartons should go in el trasho, with thorough hand washing afterwards. This person sells food?

  4. shameshame May 12, 2010 at 11:14 am #

    Holy Crap! I didn’t even read her page. I’m going to go puke now.

    Food sellers, please note, that recycled packaging should be nowhere near your goodies! Ick, ick, and ICK!

  5. Life During Wartime May 12, 2010 at 11:36 am #

    If shoppers took the few minutes to read the informational pages in her shop, they would realize this seller does not understand the procedures of proper food handling and packaging. Why would anyone be surprised that items arrived damaged due to poor packing?

    I am shocked that handmade sites — not just Etsy — allow food sellers like this to operate on their venues. Of course most buyers are not going to get sick from their purchases. But it would only take one person getting a fatal dose, and have the food connected to Etsy, and the whole community will suffer.

    I think the cupcakettes should take a break from tittering about the ‘suggested shops’ distraction, and pressure Etsy to set some better policies for food sales on the site.

  6. Em May 12, 2010 at 12:04 pm #

    I was really surprised to find that food is even allowed to be sold on Etsy. The only seller I would probably ever trust with food is haveitconfections (I think that’s their name). They were featured seller a while ago… making stuff is their actual profession and they do it all in a separate commercial kitchen. I just can’t imagine buying just anyone’s food off the internet.. yuck.

  7. Freckleyredhead May 12, 2010 at 12:23 pm #

    Oh, you just HAD to go and mention HaveItConfections . . . Now i want some of their awesome nougat! Darn you, Em! 🙂

  8. wahwah May 12, 2010 at 12:59 pm #

    Ew gross! I know someone locally who makes baked goods to sell and has her small sons helping her, dirty hands and all I’m sure.

  9. it stinks May 12, 2010 at 1:45 pm #

    LDW, you literally took the words right out of my mouth. I was just getting ready to copy/paste that stuff about using egg cartons when I read your comment.

    YUCK! Who buys food from these people?

    I doubt that most of the food sellers on etsy use certified kitchens. I have seen 1 or 2 that post that they are a certified B & M bakery but most don’t.
    They could be at their house with their cats walking around on the counters watching them cook – I have a friend who allows her cats to do that. It’s really gross!

  10. detroit May 12, 2010 at 1:51 pm #

    Okay – there may be a reasonable explanation for this, but how in the hell do you successfully ship cupcakes with a mountain of frosting on them? (Or, maybe you can’t – hence the low amount of feedback relative to sales???)

    Also, 1) Yes, I doubt most of the food on etsy is made in professional kitchens. I’m looking into starting a food business, and you wouldn’t believe all the laws. (in my state, at least). Which, though I hate red tape like anyone, I’m GLAD to know that people have to prepare food in a clean licensed kitchen, and prove they understand safe food handling, and be inspected.

    2) Are these people carrying liability insurance? No way I’d want to sell food to people without it. And I doubt most on Etsy have it. One case of food poisoning (caused by anything), or even pretend food poisoning, and, unless you’ve set up a proper food business, they can really screw you.

    3) The packaging, Yeah, um EWWW! I like being as green as the next person, but I highly doubt most state laws condone putting your food in used bags. Ick! Hasn’t this person ever heard of purchasing bags / boxes made from 100% recycled materials? I realize it’ not as green as picking an egg-carton out of your recycling bin, but CMON – it’s FOOD.

    4) Also, making ‘organic’ claims of any sort, unless you’ve gone through the grueling and expensive process to be certified is a real no-no.

    Finally, I’m sure this person is nice. Her stuff looks pretty (crappy shipping notwithstanding). I, as usual, blame Etsy.

    I can’t believe they let something so fraught with problems and liabilities as food sales to be allowed without any guidelines or oversight.

    Hope no one encounters any real problems!

  11. detroit May 12, 2010 at 2:05 pm #

    Also – a lot of her feedback is from other sellers. So, she has very few feedback from those many sales.

    It is a bit curious. Most people seem to have feedback left on at least close to half their transactions, don’t they?

    Only 40-something feedback for 240+ sales?

    I’m not a seller on Etsy, but that’s real low, isn’t it?

  12. Stephica May 12, 2010 at 2:40 pm #

    SmallEarthVintage on FP four times today so far

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6519397&page=1

    The Twitter cupcakes are in a frenzy about it! Apparently being on the front page four times in one day isn’t humiliating, but having someone notice is.

  13. uh-huh May 12, 2010 at 2:43 pm #

    that’s funny, I thought you were referring to pipinghotpapers…. turns out they were both multi-featured on the FP today

  14. Stephica May 12, 2010 at 2:46 pm #

    Holy shit, I just noticed that. I was wondering why some of the responses made no sense; like that the vintage was creative and unique.

  15. uh-huh May 12, 2010 at 2:47 pm #

    how did that even happen? can’t be a mistake or random, what are the odds?

  16. Stephica May 12, 2010 at 2:53 pm #

    I think they just scan for curators that they like. Sheer laziness.

  17. kitten May 12, 2010 at 3:34 pm #

    She (the baker) has a couple feedbacks where smashed and crushed are mentioned.

  18. ananemone May 12, 2010 at 3:52 pm #

    stephica, I bet that is exactly it.

  19. wahwah May 12, 2010 at 3:53 pm #

    Detroit, that sounds very low to me. I sadly have more feedback than I have sales.

  20. wahwah May 12, 2010 at 3:54 pm #

    The same curators day after day, apparently.

  21. Life During Wartime May 12, 2010 at 3:56 pm #

    About the FP, I think admin is also looking for treasuries that are mostly or all dull colored items that appear to have been photographed under a cloudy sky.

  22. Stephica May 12, 2010 at 4:00 pm #

    Agree LDW, it would be nice to see more variety. I thought East would make things better, but it hasn’t thus far.

  23. Liz May 12, 2010 at 4:06 pm #

    EWWW This seller takes the cake (HA) for being the grossest food seller on etsy.

    Personally, I think all food vendors should have to provide proof of licensing / compliance with food prep laws in their state, but that’s just me.

    All it takes is one person getting sick, and etsy could be in a heap of legal trouble.

  24. Stephica May 12, 2010 at 4:11 pm #

    I would never buy anything with dairy in it on Etsy. Imagine if they absent-mindedly scratched a staph contaminated upper lip as they prepared it!

    I’d be curious if anyone ever has complained of food poisoning via Etsy food. There are plenty of hardy organisms that could survive the time it takes to ship.

  25. PussDaddy May 12, 2010 at 4:19 pm #

    This is just fucking gross. I will never buy food on Etsy. Ever. Although the same can be said for bath and beauty products-how clean is the area they are made in and stuff. My husband won’t even use my handmade soap and stuff because it isn’t regulated and he doesn’t think it is safe. So I am the only one who uses it.

  26. ananemone May 12, 2010 at 4:24 pm #

    I don’t know that soap goes bad or gets bacterialized or whatever.

  27. WTFISAPDF May 12, 2010 at 4:46 pm #

    I thought you were writing about Getreadysetgo. She was on the FP a few times today.

    I see the usual cupcake police jumped you. Polestar really is overkill with the goodie two-shoes bit.

    Pussdaddy, my best friends husband spent a few days in the hospital after using handmade soap. It was something about too much lye in it. I don’t trust handmade soap because you don’t know what type of conditions it’s made under. Someone could be using dirty or germy equipment.

  28. WTFISAPDF May 12, 2010 at 4:48 pm #

    ananemone Says:
    May 12, 2010 at 4:24 pm
    I don’t know that soap goes bad or gets bacterialized or whatever.
    ——————————

    I have heard that handmade soap only has a shelf life of six months before it goes bad. A lot of the soap sellers don’t tell you the production date.

  29. thud May 12, 2010 at 5:05 pm #

    Re. the soap~ lye should not be left in soap~ it saponifies~ chemically changes… so maybe it didn’t sure right, but the shelf life thing wouldn’t create lye issues.

    The food thing is hideous

  30. WTFISAPDF May 12, 2010 at 5:12 pm #

    Hey, here’s something I just noticed. A bit ago there was a pretty journal on the FP by Baghy. I thought I had seen one in the Voter like it but it was Peaseblossom’s. But Baghy was in the voter- twice!! One for Baghy and one for her other shop, artreasury.

    Nice going Etsy!!

  31. Amused May 12, 2010 at 5:13 pm #

    The current FP was created by another FP regular. Nope, nothing fishy going on here.

  32. Max May 12, 2010 at 5:28 pm #

    Hmmm. I’ve got an immune deficiency. I think I’ll buy some of her wonderful food packaged in contaminated egg cartons, and sue her for a few million.

    Actually, if I ever thought there would be insurance to cover that few million, I might. I’d probably just have to sell the settlement to some late-night TV structured settlement broker for 50 bucks.

  33. WTFISAPDF May 12, 2010 at 5:29 pm #

    Humblebea and Twolefthands are mother and daughter. They are a part of the treasury mafia. They always nominate one another for the voter too.

  34. Stephica May 12, 2010 at 5:30 pm #

    The FP treasury before this one had both Huismus and her new store, HappyHuismus.

  35. Indeed May 12, 2010 at 5:41 pm #

    I love how the cupcakes talk bollocks about other sellers and buyers on Twitter and Facebook. Like anyone is going to buy from peaseblossomstudios, who uses their brand Twitter to talk bollocks:

    Hahahaha! Who knows why people are like they are. #drugs #badchildhood #envy #bitterness #noboyfriend
    and
    I had to go there. #cannotresisttemptation #dontmesswithmyfriends #stealthhitman

    And ThreadRare:
    @laralewis recap: My treasury team had several fp treasuries today, and 2 members were featured 4 times. A buyer (?!) decided to bitch.

    Im pretty sure there are more, not going to wade in the mess that is twitterdom.

  36. WTFISAPDF May 12, 2010 at 5:56 pm #

    Stephica, keep doing what your doing. You get under the frosting of the cupcakes and I do so enjoy it.

  37. uh-huh May 12, 2010 at 6:04 pm #

    polestar feels emotionally exhausted from that exchange in the forums earlier.

  38. Amused May 12, 2010 at 6:04 pm #

    I second WTFISAPDF!!

  39. FJCruiser Eileen May 12, 2010 at 6:23 pm #

    Aw poor poor PoleSitter.

  40. FJCruiser Eileen May 12, 2010 at 6:24 pm #

    Omg I did not mean to type that. That is the worst typo ever. I’m so embarrassed.

  41. Indeed May 12, 2010 at 6:31 pm #

    Now, now, no need for namecalling.

    Plus if you call ’em names then they don’t show up when someone Googles their name. Like a certain previous entry that had comments about peaseblossomstudio which now is on the first page of results.

  42. etsy small fish May 12, 2010 at 6:33 pm #

    now that is funny

  43. detroit May 12, 2010 at 6:36 pm #

    Ha ha. Go Stephica, go go go!

  44. WTFISAPDF May 12, 2010 at 6:38 pm #

    FJCruiser Eileen Says:
    May 12, 2010 at 6:23 pm
    Aw poor poor PoleSitter.
    ————————————–

    Oh, no need to apologize. That pretty much sums her up.

  45. ananemone May 12, 2010 at 6:50 pm #

    2 shops in one voter for the same person is kind of ridiculous.

  46. Stephica May 12, 2010 at 7:10 pm #

    I think PoleStar just threatened my friends in Hollywood that I’ve put in treasuries.

    “Some other shops have fantastic work, beautiful craftsmanship. It’s a shame this kind of crap could be associated with it.

    ya know what I mean 😉 ”

    It could be an assortment of people I know, would love to hear who they “think I am.”

  47. WTFISAPDF May 12, 2010 at 7:20 pm #

    Okay Stephica, you got me confused. Did Polestar post something somewhere?

  48. Stephica May 12, 2010 at 7:23 pm #

    Sorry, that was in another thread. I made one last thread today because the Voter thing was pretty absurd:

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6519611

  49. WTFISAPDF May 12, 2010 at 7:29 pm #

    Wow. You ask a valid question and the cupcakettes jump all over you. I think others have asked the question in the forum.

    I remember someone being removed from the voter a while for having two shops in the voter. They removed one and one remained.

    PoleSitter is going to really get emotional exhaustion tonight.

  50. WTFISAPDF May 12, 2010 at 7:35 pm #

    Why do people post the word “word” now? I must have been away from the forums too long

  51. ananemone May 12, 2010 at 7:40 pm #

    I just felt like agreeing without typing very many words. And so I thought word was appropriate. I don’t think the other word poster was wording the same thing I worded.

  52. Indeed May 12, 2010 at 7:45 pm #

    Another entry for the acting asinine on twitter pile from factorygrlashli:

    mehhhhhh waaaah boooo hiss http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6519611

    whose archaicdesign talking to in the forums? her responses aren’t making sense.

  53. Life During Wartime May 12, 2010 at 8:04 pm #

    Every day Etsy has more shops and more items to choose from for features. And yet the number of sellers featured is decreasing as they give the same handful of people multiple spots on the FP during one day, in the voter, and before in the gift guides.

    This makes no sense.

    There are fantastic shops with great photos which have never been on the FP, and maybe never even been in any Treasuries. I know I am f-ing tired of looking at the same style of work by the same group of people.

    Stephica, you are giving voice in the forums to questions many community members are asking.

  54. Never My Love May 12, 2010 at 8:08 pm #

    Stephica, don’t you help run this shop?
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/LillysWorkshop

    Aren’t you the fiancée mentioned in the profile of the shop?
    http://www.etsy.com/people/LillysWorkshop
    “My fiancée helps me with social media, shipping, writing and the occasional stitch.”

    I recognize your pretty face here, it’s the avatar you use at Etsy: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lillysworkshop/4583911110/ – that’s the flickr stream of the man who runs the LillysWorkshop shop– you’re his girlfriend and fiancée, right?

    So don’t you agree that you may have more than a passing interest or a professional interest (this paper that you’re writing….) in shops that make the fp? You keep saying that you’re just a buyer but it doesn’t seem that’s really completely true, unless I misunderstand the connection here.

  55. kitten May 12, 2010 at 8:41 pm #

    Indeed Says:

    whose archaicdesign talking to in the forums? her responses aren’t making sense.
    _______________________

    Voices in her head, apparently.

  56. doodette May 13, 2010 at 12:22 am #

    I gotta say, you got it comin’ to ya if you by food off the internet. Sorry.. that’s nasty ass crazyness. Ick!

  57. doodette May 13, 2010 at 12:23 am #

    “word”… it’s a fairly common colloquialism used to mean, ” I hear ya” or “well said” or “right on” … you get the drift.

  58. WTFISAPDF May 13, 2010 at 4:19 am #

    Tissage says:
    One of my items was in the voter and I didn’t nominate myself. If there are two items in the voter by one person there’s no reason to assume it’s the seller’s fault unless you have proof from the nomination thread. And if you have time to read through all that you’ve got way too much time on your hands.
    ——————————-

    This from someone who is in the forums pretty much 27/7. Do these people realize how dumb they look when they write shit like that?

    I would think Tissage should be the last person to ask anyone if they have too much time on their hands.

    I can’t imagine what the cupcakettes lives are really like if they are planted in the forums day in and day out.

    Hell, I love this blog but I don’t have time to come read it everyday. I wish I did, but I don’t.

    Tissage, look in the mirror. Bite yourself back for a change.

  59. PussDaddy May 13, 2010 at 5:45 am #

    ananemone there was one soap seller named SweetTush who had moldy lotion and she kept closing down and opening back up as fast as we could find her and out her.

  60. PussDaddy May 13, 2010 at 5:49 am #

    Can anyone tell me why a google search typing in nutmegclick’s username greenonionrangrang leads to this particular post? Thanks. I can’t find it.

  61. howdy there buddies May 13, 2010 at 6:00 am #

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/RogueBodyJewelry

    i’m curious about this one…. I hope i’m not wrong but ‘hand carved’ ?

    again sorry if i’m wrong.

  62. Never My Love May 13, 2010 at 6:07 am #

    Calling’ Out on Etsy, can you publish my earlier comment? It’s still under moderation. I think there were too many links in it or something. It was directed towards Stephica, who seems to be involved in the day to day running of the etsy shop called LillysWorkshop. Which is fine and dandy (and the corsets are gorgeous), but she keeps saying that she’s a buyer only. According to the profile of the guy who makes the corsets in the shop, she sews and helps runs the shop, and as shown in the flickr photos, possibly also models the clothes, although I’m not sure about that part. So she is not a disinterested party or casual observer here, the way she is making herself out to be. Thank you.

    flickr.com/photos/lillysworkshop/4583911110/
    etsy.com/people/LillysWorkshop

  63. Etsy Person May 13, 2010 at 6:43 am #

    Well Howdy I think that
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/RogueBodyJewelry
    Has an interesting profile too. Maybe under the category of practicing medicine without a license?

  64. Jack's Inflamed Conjunctiva May 13, 2010 at 7:07 am #

    Life During Wartime Says:
    “There are fantastic shops with great photos which have never been on the FP, and maybe never even been in any Treasuries”

    Um… so why not go make a treasury with some of them in it genius?

  65. JK May 13, 2010 at 7:09 am #

    I’ve bought both food items (mainly caramels) and bath & body off Etsy with no harmful effects, but I do tend to examine the profiles and policies of sellers to get a feel for the level of knowledge and expertise, and to find those magic words, ‘licensed and inspected’, when applicable. While laws regarding food production vary from state to state in the US, most do have them and I prefer to buy from someone who sticks to them. This place, I’d have passed by!

    As to the subject of treasury and voter repeats, I was at an auction of the inventory of a closed vintage store this week and fell into conversation with another woman there. She asked if I was a collector or dealer (both, the latter due to the former!) and wanted to know where I sold. When I told her Etsy, she expressed surprise and said she’d checked out the site but ‘everything looked so cold and beige’, as she put it, that she didn’t think there would be anything there she’d like. A lady next to us chimed in with a similar story. Both are the ideal market for many of the goods on Etsy (young but well-employed, collect vintage, prefer to buy sustainable and handmade), yet Etsy still refuses to promote anything that doesn’t fit the Urban Outfitters-style taste demographic.

  66. MadeByM**** May 13, 2010 at 7:11 am #

    Here’s my Treasury Easts that I’ve made that will probably never make it on the FP! At least maybe you guys will appreciate it! LOL!

    http://www.etsy.com/treasury/people/madebymarni

  67. WTFISAPDF May 13, 2010 at 7:13 am #

    I didn’t read the profile to mean she’s involved with the day to day operations.

    Tons of sellers have friends/family members helping, modeling (and Stephica is definitely not modeling for the shop, unless she’s stuffed and headless), but that doesn’t necessarily equate to a vested interest.

    She has no shop. That makes her a buyer only.

    You know what I find totally amusing? Stephica does not bring up anything that hasn’t been brought up in hundreds of other threads by other posters. There have been hundreds of front page unfairness threads and there will probably be hundreds more. And her voter question has been asked in the past by others.

    But because the cupcakettes don’t seem to like her, she gets jumped with a mob mentality equivalent to that of second graders fighting over who has the smarter mother.

    I am a buyer only, or should I say was. I never had a shop, never will. The mindset that buyers never lurk the forums or care what goes on with the site couldn’t be more wrong.

    Do you think as buyers, we want to see the same shops featured over and over? There’s rarely anything new shown and it got so old and boring so fast. Do you think that doesn’t happen to other buyers? I know a lot of buyers who just got sick of seeing the same things all the time. Then there is all the whining of no sales and no views. How does Etsy expect to draw buyers when there is no variety because the same shops are featured? The same front page themes and no effort to draw the more “mature” buyer (who has more disposable income) doesn’t help, nor do the resellers and the garage sale junk.

    Buyers don’t want to shop in a hostile environment and I think some sellers might be surprised if they were aware of how many buyers they chase away.

    Not everyone likes the same things. Problem is, Etsy hasn’t figured it out yet.

  68. ugh May 13, 2010 at 8:03 am #

    Honestly, I think something fishy (fishier, really) is going on . There have been way too many repeats in the past week. I know having some repeats is standard for etsy, but to have so many in the span of only a few days – sellers being featured on the FP multiple times in one day, the same curators are being shown over & over, and one shop was even on the FP with 2 different shops at the same time!

    I mean, come on. What is it that admin can’t seem to understand how ridiculous this is & how much fighting it causes? Because it really does fall on Admin’s head. If sellers want to feature the same people over & over, that’s fine. But Admin are the ones who choose the FP. Its on them.

    They obviously just look at the pretty pictures, not who curates or who is in the treasury. And they really need to stop doing their promoting that way.

  69. Josie May 13, 2010 at 8:12 am #

    PornStar was whining on twitter because she hadn’t been on the FP for 7 days “I think I’ve been banned from the front page…”
    The next day after some sympathy from her team members on twitter, admin started the all day all night marathon of her team members treasuries being plastered on the FP.
    Ahhhh everything was right with the world again.

    How much arrogance does it take to get someone to the point where they think that being on the FP is expected and demanded only after a week not being there. This same arrogance brings her to the forums after some late night boozing, She will tear you a new one, trying to make you understand that a big part of etsy success is to be supportive of other sellers. That’s right she will humiliate and demean you publicly until you understand that you have to nice to other sellers…duh?
    They they will high five each other on twitter for her behavior.

  70. Amused May 13, 2010 at 8:20 am #

    Peaseblossom is on FP again, you know, for something new and different.

  71. diddly May 13, 2010 at 8:30 am #

    Speaking of Etsians whining on twitter, do the people who tweet all day and all night spend any time with their children at all? Not naming names, but I see several of them tweeting literally every few minutes all day and all night, and when they’re not tweeting they’re jumping all over people in the forums. They tweet about the cute things their kids just did or said. It must be sad to have a mom who is always sitting in front of her computer monitor, tweeting, refreshing, posting nonsense in the forums, instead of actually spending time with you. I feel so sorry for them, it’s really sad! And obvious to everyone except them that they’re always online.

  72. WTFISAPDF May 13, 2010 at 8:37 am #

    Etsy is making it very clear that they only want certain shops to succeed.

    There is no draw for new buyers. Seeing the same thing over and gets soooooo boring.

    How many times will we see Dawncorrespondence treasuries on the FP? Surely she isn’t the only good curator.

    Sellers like Polestar want to control Etsy. And Peaseblossom and Polestar do a damn good job of running a lot of people out of the forums.

  73. Amused May 13, 2010 at 8:38 am #

    Ironically it is to the point where you don’t need Craftcult for answers to FP frequency, all you have to do is look at the FP even a few times a day, I know that is all I do, no Craftcult and I don’t watch every FP. That to me makes it worse.

    I also agree that Stephica is not bringing up anything that hasn’t been in the past. I’m glad she’s here to do it unabashedly at its height of ridiculousness.

  74. uh-huh May 13, 2010 at 8:39 am #

    To “ugh”, the repeats have gotten bad (worse) recently. It really is amazing how much a particular handful of people are on the FP over and over… if not their items, then it’s there curated Treasury. You’d think there were basically 30 people on Etsy.
    The run-to-twitter whining simply reinforces the treasury team circle-jerk they’ve got going on. “Oh, they were so mean and jealous in the forums and I stood up for us all! Don’t forget to tell me how awesome I am and put me in 15 more treasuries!”

  75. WTFISAPDF May 13, 2010 at 8:41 am #

    diddly Says:
    May 13, 2010 at 8:30 am
    Speaking of Etsians whining on twitter, do the people who tweet all day and all night spend any time with their children at all? Not naming names, but I see several of them tweeting literally every few minutes all day and all night, and when they’re not tweeting they’re jumping all over people in the forums. They tweet about the cute things their kids just did or said. It must be sad to have a mom who is always sitting in front of her computer monitor, tweeting, refreshing, posting nonsense in the forums, instead of actually spending time with you. I feel so sorry for them, it’s really sad! And obvious to everyone except them that they’re always online.
    ——————————————–

    I always wonder this same thing. How do they spend so much time online? To me that indicates someone has no life outside of a computer. And it’s sad when a computer is one’s only friend.

  76. Andrea May 13, 2010 at 8:42 am #

    Stephica is a classic troll and that’s why the other forum members don’t like her. She sets up treasuries to point out the inequality of the front page and pretends she’s doing it to honor the people on it. She pretends that she isn’t affiliated with any stores, just a random buyer fighting for social justice. She feigns innocence when confronted directly. “It could be an assortment of people I know, would love to hear who they ‘think I am.'” – like the first obvious possibility isn’t your boyfriend’s shop.

  77. ugh May 13, 2010 at 8:42 am #

    well thats twice for pease today. She was on earlier this morning.

    I am going to say at least 2 more shops will be repeated today too and 5 curators.

  78. uh-huh May 13, 2010 at 8:45 am #

    Yeah, Stephica is making up all this repeat stuff, it never really happens. *roll eyes*

  79. ginger May 13, 2010 at 8:52 am #

    I’m sure I’ll get slammed by most for this, but it makes me a little sad to see how this blog has devolved, and fast.

    I love the idea of a site where we can talk about legitimate rule-breaking on Etsy–there really, really needs to be a place to do that.

    I love a lot less what this site has become–a place where every post, no matter what it starts out discussing, becomes a dumping ground for nasty comments about sellers people don’t like, for reasons that have nothing to do with rule-breaking.

    We get it–lots of you hate hate hate Peaseblossom and Polestar and whomever else for being on the FP alot. Hate them to the point where you feel the need to monitor their Twitter accounts and their conversations with their friends so that you can post snippets and summaries here. But…that’s shit-talking, right? Not calling out? Does any of what they do violate any kind of rule, or just piss you off?

    I hope that some sort of even-keeled alternative call-out site starts up, because I really do think that this one and Etsy Bitch have both gone way off the rails.

  80. tenley May 13, 2010 at 8:54 am #

    i think some of the people mentioned like polestar or pease are paying etsy admin to be on the front page or are giving something in return for the fp. seems sketchy to me.

  81. ugh May 13, 2010 at 8:57 am #

    Well I put the blame on admin for this. I dont care what other sellers are doing, because honestly if it was me being attacked i’d be defensive too.

    It is Admin, who fuels this nonsense. They read this blog, twitter and the forums so they know what is going on. but they dont care. Even after yesterday they still have put a seller on the fp twice already.

    Do you know how much easier being a forum mod would be if the other admins gave a crap?

  82. uh-huh May 13, 2010 at 8:58 am #

    It is a damn shame, ginger, the way Etsy handles the whole thing, isn’t it? Too bad the site has basically devolved into tiny cliques of favs and haters.

  83. Jane May 13, 2010 at 9:13 am #

    Ginger said:
    “I’m sure I’ll get slammed by most for this, but it makes me a little sad to see how this blog has devolved, and fast.

    I love the idea of a site where we can talk about legitimate rule-breaking on Etsy–there really, really needs to be a place to do that.

    I love a lot less what this site has become–a place where every post, no matter what it starts out discussing, becomes a dumping ground for nasty comments about sellers people don’t like, for reasons that have nothing to do with rule-breaking.

    We get it–lots of you hate hate hate Peaseblossom and Polestar and whomever else for being on the FP alot. Hate them to the point where you feel the need to monitor their Twitter accounts and their conversations with their friends so that you can post snippets and summaries here. But…that’s shit-talking, right? Not calling out? Does any of what they do violate any kind of rule, or just piss you off?”

    THANK YOU!! Srsly, why bash successful Etsians? What good does that possibly accomplish? It is not going to help you or your shop, it just makes you look very small.

  84. PussDaddy May 13, 2010 at 9:16 am #

    I guess this bitch hand carved this herself?

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/46713433/mother-of-pearl-wings-pairs-10g-8g-and

  85. WTFISAPDF May 13, 2010 at 9:35 am #

    Ginger,
    This blog is about rule breakers, from what I know. Polestar and Peaseblossom might be successful, and more power to them. Does that give them the right to police the forum and be condescending to anyone and everyone who doesn’t agree with them? Being self-righteous, snarky and condescending to others is a violation of the rules, as well.

    The point is, a lot of sellers are screaming about low sales and views. Does anyone ever stop to consider it’s because we buyers see the same items featured over and over? Unless they are willing to offer more variety, Etsy will die a slow death as it already seems to be.

    Polestar has no right to speak to others the way she does in the forums. She is not a forum mod. She should stop trying to act like one. And shame on Etsy for not banning her from the forums.

  86. WTFISAPDF May 13, 2010 at 9:41 am #

    We get it–lots of you hate hate hate Peaseblossom and Polestar and whomever else for being on the FP alot.
    —————————

    That is not the reason they are disliked. It’s forum attitude. There are many successful sellers who make the FP a lot and don’t go into the forums and act all self-righteous.

    Rule following works both ways. Why should Polestar and Pease be any different? Because they are Etsy admin favs? That is where the problem is. Pussdaddy NEVER got as insulting and snarky as PoleStar. Who’s gone and who remains??

    That’s where the inequities lie, and that’s what pisses so many people off.

    And I doubt anyone on this board spends as much time on a computer as Polestar and Pease. Hell, I’m breaking a record here today, but then again, I had a lot of catching up to do as I don’t come here only a few times a week.

  87. detroit May 13, 2010 at 9:46 am #

    I agree ugh. I blame admin for all the animosity too. When they so clearly have strong favorites (when there are so many other worthy candidates to chose from – even without changing up the Etsy look).

    It’s natural people are going to start to get resentful.

    This is a key Etsy issue, the FP favoritism. It’s certainly worthy of discussion. Of both the people who are gaming the system, and of the admin who allow / foster it.

    Never Love person – OMG! We’re shocked, just shocked! Stephica is…….Stephica! Holy shit!

    And to the person who referred to LDW as a ‘moron’. Listen, moron. Lots of people DO make treasuries all the time – with lovely items that do not receive all the attention of the usual suspects. And they are IGNORED!!

  88. detroit May 13, 2010 at 9:49 am #

    Oh sorry, he referred to her as a genius. Well, I can’t address him with the same term. Logic escapes him. lol.

  89. Never My Love May 13, 2010 at 10:03 am #

    “Never Love person – OMG! We’re shocked, just shocked! Stephica is…….Stephica! Holy shit!”

    Oh, burn. Wow, you sure told me. You can be as sarcastic or sneering towards me as you like, but she is positioning herself as someone who has no vested interest apart from a paper that she’s writing, and it’s simply not true. She DOES have an interest and she’s pissed because her bf’s shop isn’t featured on the fp. But please don’t let the facts sink in. You and several others here happen to enjoy watching her tear apart frequent FPers for whatever reason, and so you’re going to defend her even though she’s being deceitful and sneaky. Willfull ignorance of the facts because it suits you. I get it. Yes, I do. Please carry on with your little clique that you have going on here, even though you all just detest cliques…it’s too funny.

  90. shameshame May 13, 2010 at 10:35 am #

    Never My Love, you forgot jealous haters with no lives.

  91. ginger May 13, 2010 at 10:38 am #

    WTFISAPDF, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one–I don’t see having an unlikeable forum personality as a rule violation, since it’s subjective. From my perspective, they don’t come anywhere near PD or some other banned posters in terms of being insulting and inappropriate, but I understand that others might see it differently.

    There are a ton of Etsy forum regulars that I actively dislike, that I find nasty and stupid, that I wish would be banned. But who cares? If Pole and Pease weren’t on the FP every day, I don’t think anyone would care what they said. I’ve seen other FP regulars attacked here who rarely even post in the forums.

    For the record, I completely agree that Etsy is lazy and unimaginative and totally in the wrong for featuring the same sellers over and over again. I really do! But mocking specific sellers, speculating about how much time they spend on the internet….I still don’t think that’s helpful.

  92. detroit May 13, 2010 at 11:36 am #

    LOL – Never my Love. That’s it! Now you can’t be in my renaissance fair star trek clique with me and my besties on this site! I was going let you be Gandalf!

    Um, recall, you’re the one who CAME here to yap about someone.

    I’m not sure what this clique is you speak of. Though I have nothing against cliques, per se, I have no idea who any single person on this site is, including Stephica.

    And, I couldn’t care less who she is, or if her boyfriend sells stuff on Etsy (wow, what a scandalous conspiracy! – you should do an in depth ‘calling-out’ expose!!). lol

    In fact, I DO look at the facts. And, the fact is, what she talks about is a real problem – the front page issues. That should be brought to light. And not hushed away.

    Transparency = integrity. Etsy is about as transparent as fetid mud.

  93. BlytheHopesVintage May 13, 2010 at 11:51 am #

    As far as the 2 items in one voter thing – it happened to me ages ago when my husband’s shop was a collective – one of my items, and one of his were in the same voter.

    Course it was before the nominees got emailed out – that would have been sweet – but in that vote I did nominate both items from our shops, and both were chosen.

    No idea if it’s etsy legal – but I figured if it wasn’t then etsy wouldn’t pick it.

  94. Indeed May 13, 2010 at 12:45 pm #

    Yeah, look at Stephica modeling at Comic-Con!

    She’s mentioned before that several of her friends are on Etsy, why don’t you try to find them too?

    Also, her profile is older than the Lily one, how does that change her motives? And didn’t PeaseBlossomStudios mock her yesterday on Twitter for not having a boyfriend?

  95. Indeed May 13, 2010 at 12:54 pm #

    Also Lily has 23 sales over the course of a month and a half since he(?) opened. Most of those sales are $200+ corsets. Hes also been on the FP once.

    Why would anyone associated with them be “jealous?” seems pretty successful to me.

  96. kitten May 13, 2010 at 1:57 pm #

    Indeed Says:

    And didn’t PeaseBlossomStudios mock her yesterday on Twitter for not having a boyfriend?
    _________________

    Now that is funny, coming from a bitter old maid like Pease.

  97. GlitzGlitter May 13, 2010 at 2:04 pm #

    You don’t like people’s work .. fine. You think there is favoritism.. I agree! But “bitter old maid” that is just hateful. Make fun of someone’s shop, not their personal life. And before you say that someone else did it first, think about what a mean and tacky thing that is to say. There is no reason to stoop to that level.

  98. ginger May 13, 2010 at 2:24 pm #

    “Bitter old maid?” Way to stay classy, kitten.

    And that certainly doesn’t make you sound jealous at all.

  99. kitten May 13, 2010 at 2:41 pm #

    GlitzGlitter Says:

    You don’t like people’s work .. fine. You think there is favoritism.. I agree! But “bitter old maid” that is just hateful. Make fun of someone’s shop, not their personal life. And before you say that someone else did it first, think about what a mean and tacky thing that is to say. There is no reason to stoop to that level.

    ginger Says:
    “Bitter old maid?” Way to stay classy, kitten.

    And that certainly doesn’t make you sound jealous at all.

    ______________

    Ok, bitter spinster. Is that better? She’s bitter, sorry, I can’t change that. She isn’t married (unless she has recently). I guess spinster is the more classy was of saying never married.

    Nope, not jealous at all. I do like her necklaces, just not her online personality. She’s mean! Oh, and bitter. Well hell, better not forget petty!

    Now Tweet that if you wish, or not.

  100. kitten May 13, 2010 at 2:46 pm #

    Oh, and Pease has cute cats. So I like her necklaces and her cats are cute, but she’s mean to people in the forums and sounds like Twitter also. I wish it weren’t true, but it tis. I’m sure she’s very sweet and lovely to her cats though, in fact I’d bet money on it.

  101. WTFISAPDF May 13, 2010 at 3:12 pm #

    Ginger, Stephica asked a question that has been asked at least a dozen times in the forum. She asked if one seller with two shops can have two items in the voter. She gave no indication what voter she was references, or even if she was referencing anything paticular. Generic question, no calling out.

    Next post is by Sparklejar asking why. Stephica responded that to answer would be calling out, and she had no intention of doing so.

    Polestar then set the tone for the rest of the thread with her post, “I have a question too, if you work in another shop, but post pot stirring posts on another, is that a sock puppet?
    Why don’t you just CONVO ADMIN (again) with this question. ”

    Polestar then went on to say Stephica should chill out and added , “Some other shops have fantastic work, beautiful craftsmanship. It’s a shame this kind of crap could be associated with it. ya know what I mean 😉 “.

    Now, who is being the ignorant snark here? Stephica asked a generic question and gets gang banged for doing so. Polestar reponded in a confrontational way. That’s against the forum TOS.

    Ironically, Polestar started a forum thread about the voter back in February.
    ” PoleStar says:
    I was wondering, since the Voter seems to be a big form of community exposure, that if you are nominating items from more than one of your shops, it should be disclosed that you are doing so in the thread?

    It would avoid the appearance of deliberate deception on the part of the shop owner, as well as the claims that Admin show favoritism.

    It would certainly make the Admin’s job easier when looking through all the nominations as well, and also be more fair to everyone who is nominating.Thoughts? ”

    PoleStar says:
    “sorry I meant nominating items from more than one of your “own” shops. ”

    The thread is followed by a bunch in agreement with her.
    joanniel says:
    “I am in total agreement. Two people got robbed of a spot in the finds and the voter because one person is in there twice. Really unfair. ”

    somsstudiosupplies says:
    “I agree completely. Members should disclose and Admin should look twice before randomly nominating.”

    PoleStar says:
    “I actually think 95% of the thread is people nominating themselves, which is fine, but I mean disclosing when you nominate more than one of your own shops.”

    So, Polestar had the same concern as Stephica, yet Stephica gets jumped coming out of the gate. Polestar gets two pages of everyone agreeing with her that one seller with two shops shouldn’t be in the voter.

    No one accused Polestar of calling out, even though I am sure she was referening a time when one seller with two shops was in the voter.

    Don’t you see this as a bit hypocritical? It clearly demonstrates that Polestar leads the gang bang pack for those she doesn’t like, is jealous of, or whatever.

    And for the record, there are sellers in the voter who pimp themselves by offering free items in exchange for votes. Buying votes. I thought only sleazy politicians did that.

  102. WTFISAPDF May 13, 2010 at 3:16 pm #

    Here is the link to Polestar’s thread

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6442536&page=1

  103. Jack's Inflamed Conjunctiva May 13, 2010 at 3:41 pm #

    HEY DETROIT!!!

    FUCKING MORON.

    YOUR GENIUS FRIEND “LIFE DURING WARTIME” WHINED BITTERLY THAT SOME PEOPLE NEVER EVEN GET INCLUDED IN TREASURIES.

    I SUGGESTED THAT SHE GO MAKE SOME FUCKING TREASURIES AND INCLUDE SOME OF THESE POOR NEGLECTED SOULS.

    YOU PROBABLY WANT TO LEARN TO READ BEFORE YOU GO CALLING PEOPLE MORON.

  104. OhNeverMind May 13, 2010 at 3:58 pm #

    Ok folks…. lets quell the conspiracy talk now. Seriously – you think people pay the admin to be on the FP? I don’t know about you but my sometime appearances on the FP don’t exactly result in lots of extra cash to bribe anyone with.

    You keep mentioning how there are the same people on the FP and the same curators. Bravo! Guess why?? MaryMary posted a thread in your beloved Etsy forums asking for Dad and Grad treasuries. The treasuries you are all complaining about so bitterly were all from that thread.

    Want to be on the front page? Pay attention to the monthly merchandising schemes Etsy publishes every month. Tag your items appropriately, and take take advantage of forum threads asking for submissions.

    As per MaryMary’s instructions:
    Fill all 16 spaces with active items that are for sale and use a different shop for each space.
    * Select items with clear, crisp and visually stunning product photography.
    * Choose items from a variety of different categories and price points.
    * Shy away from using items from your own shop or shops.
    * Items representing the diverse offerings and shops on the site.

    You know, clean the cat hair off the carpet before you put your random thingamabob down to photograph it. Just some tips dearies.

  105. Sarah May 13, 2010 at 4:39 pm #

    Rougebodyjewelry just started a thread about needing admin’s help with something right away. I wonder if it has anything to do with showing up in these comments?

  106. WTFISAPDF May 13, 2010 at 4:42 pm #

    Jack’s Inflamed Conjunctiva Says:
    May 13, 2010 at 3:41 pm
    HEY DETROIT!!!

    FUCKING MORON.

    YOUR GENIUS FRIEND “LIFE DURING WARTIME” WHINED BITTERLY THAT SOME PEOPLE NEVER EVEN GET INCLUDED IN TREASURIES.

    I SUGGESTED THAT SHE GO MAKE SOME FUCKING TREASURIES AND INCLUDE SOME OF THESE POOR NEGLECTED SOULS.

    YOU PROBABLY WANT TO LEARN TO READ BEFORE YOU GO CALLING PEOPLE MORON.
    ———————————————-

    Seriously, get some help.

  107. Jack's Inflamed Conjunctiva May 13, 2010 at 4:52 pm #

    WTFISAPDF Says:
    “Seriously, get some help.”

    Help with what? Whiny crybabies who call me a moron without taking the time to read what I actually said?

    I thought that’s what I was doing.

  108. Amused May 13, 2010 at 5:05 pm #

    OhNeverMind Says:
    You know, clean the cat hair off the carpet before you put your random thingamabob down to photograph it. Just some tips dearies.
    ——————————

    Now that is the kind of comment that pisses people off. If you think that everyone not getting on the FP is in this boat you clearly have your head up your ass. Also, passive aggressiveness is so yesterday.

  109. WTFISAPDF May 13, 2010 at 5:32 pm #

    Help… as in anger management.

  110. Em May 13, 2010 at 5:37 pm #

    Hey Pinkeye:

    You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about because there are hundreds of treasuries that I’m sure are front page worthy, curated by different people and including shops that aren’t as “popular.” Etsy just doesn’t pick them. So maybe get a clue before coming here to troll.

    And for those who say all this isn’t what the blog should be for, read the subtitle: “Calling out blatant mistaggers, resellers, and OTHER HOT TOPICS since admin won’t let us.” So it acts as a blanket term to cover other Etsy-related things that aren’t as cut-and-dry as reselling. If you don’t want to discuss it (if that verb is even appropriate) then don’t! Go start your own blog. Bitching about Etsy is super trendy these days.

  111. Em May 13, 2010 at 5:42 pm #

    Amused says:
    OhNeverMind Says:
    You know, clean the cat hair off the carpet before you put your random thingamabob down to photograph it. Just some tips dearies.
    ——————————

    Now that is the kind of comment that pisses people off. If you think that everyone not getting on the FP is in this boat you clearly have your head up your ass. Also, passive aggressiveness is so yesterday.
    ________________________

    Amen to that. I think my pictures are just as good as the others, and I’m grateful to have gotten on the front page only once in the year I’ve been on Etsy.

  112. Jack's Inflamed Conjunctiva May 13, 2010 at 5:47 pm #

    Really though “Life During Wartime” (who is clearly the blinding light of the crybaby brain trust) performs a tremendous service by pointing out that some sellers never even get into treasuries.

    This high quality observation draws into stark focus the entire crybaby mindset, namely bitching about how unfair things are instead of trying to figure out how they work.

    Because after all… your 20cent listing fee damn well entitles you to the same exposure as someone who works on promoting and presenting their etsy store as if it were their other full time job after the full time job of actually making the stuff to put in the store and the full time job that they probably still hold down but hope to quit someday to do etsy full time.

  113. Jack's Inflamed Conjunctiva May 13, 2010 at 5:53 pm #

    Hey Em.

    I obviously don’t know what I’m talking about?

    How exactly?

    Life During Wartime complained that “some people never get into treasuries.”

    I said “so go make some treasuries genius.”

    Detroit called me a “moron.”

    Exactly which one of those things didn’t happen?

    I didn’t say they’d get on the front page.
    I said “Well go put them in a treasury”

    That would certainly rectify the terrible injustice of them never ever even being in a treasury wouldn’t it?

  114. Indeed May 13, 2010 at 6:40 pm #

    It just occured to me that whoever “outed” Stephica and her boyfriend/girlfriend Lily didn’t even both to use their real Etsy cupcake name.

    And they go on about how we’re all anonymous cowards.

    They also get indignant about personal attacks yet are always insulting Stephica based on her past purchases. Which as she mentioned a few weeks ago were bought weeks before Christmas, but she must be high! Seriously, everytime she posts they make high comments in the thread and on twitter. Even when what shes saying isn’t related to their cupcake club.

  115. doodette May 13, 2010 at 7:21 pm #

    ok so wtf with the twiggy necklace thing. I mean, I like it and all but I feel like I’ve been looking at this fucking things for weeks. Am I wrong here?

    And in spite of 4000 views it has NOT sold, WHY DOES IT KEEP SHOWING UP. http://www.etsy.com/listing/42809850/sea-foam

    I mean, 4000 views since MARCH 15TH?!?!?! WTF?

  116. PussDaddy May 14, 2010 at 3:22 am #

    tenley Says:
    May 13, 2010 at 8:54 am
    i think some of the people mentioned like polestar or pease are paying etsy admin to be on the front page or are giving something in return for the fp. seems sketchy to me.

    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

    Yeah, well, the big conspiracy theory used to be that I was admin forum plant and was allowed to whatever I wanted and my ass is indefinitely muted now shooting that theory right in the ass.

  117. PussDaddy May 14, 2010 at 3:26 am #

    Wow, I can’t write today. That up there should read

    Yeah, well, the big conspiracy theory used to be that I was an admin forum plant and was allowed to do whatever I wanted and my ass is indefinitely muted now shooting that theory right in the ass.

  118. it stinks May 14, 2010 at 6:12 am #

    I’ve been on etsy for 3 years and have been on the FP only 1 time, to my knowledge.
    Yet, I’m in treasuries all the time. One weekend recently, I was in about 12 treasuries. They were all very pretty and colorful, some were absolutely gorgeous.
    None were picked for the FP.

    So, I deduce from this that my pics are pretty good – not professional photographer good, but still, fairly good. My products are all handmade by me and are well made. I use quality materials. I retake pics that are too dark or don’t show the item well.

    Yet, I’m not an etsy fav. Hmmmmmm.

    And to whoever said that the favs don’t pay etsy admin, I believe you are mistaken. THey may not pay with money but they pay – with cookies, t-shirts, ass kisses, free jewelry and whatever else the favs can send in to keep themselves on the FP for all that nice “free” exposure. We know this because etsy admin frequently “out” themselves by bragging about all the stuff they were sent by different sellers.

  119. MadeByM**** May 14, 2010 at 6:30 am #

    So, what it all boils down to is this:

    1. There is way too much FP favoritism of the same sellers/treasury makers.

    2. There are sellers on the forums that are mean.

    3. Some of the sellers in #2 are on the FP all the time one way or the other.

    4. Current and potential buyers are tired of seeing the same stuff on the FP.

    5. Current and potential buyers and current sellers wish there was more diversity on the FP.

    It’s funny how people just show up here out of the blue (I guess thanks to Twitter gossip) to complain (and call names) about the people who post here……..yet you’re doing the same thing that you’re accusing ECO posters of doing???!!! Grow up!

    I’m sure in your circle of friends and your family and amongst your co-workers, there are people you don’t like and you complain about them. That’s human nature. The regular posters here on ECO don’t “hate” successful sellers…….they just dislike how some of them have become successful while the rest of us sellers are struggling to get noticed. My pictures are far from being good, but they are getting better. But I do make some nice treasuries, following all the tips and advice, but they never make it to the FP because Admin doesn’t bother looking or they only choose what they are into……..they forget that potential customer’s tastes are very broad! Personally, I have to remind myself to use other colors when I make my stuff because not everyone likes the colors I like! The middle-aged consumer usually has more disposable income than 20-somethings, why don’t they try to attract them? I know I’m not into fingerless gloves, mustache props, plastic cupcake earrings, etc. The things I’m into rarely make the FP. I have to go looking for it. And if I wasn’t a seller on Etsy, I probably would give up shopping here!

    Ok, I’m done venting now……………….TGIF!

  120. WTFISAPDF May 14, 2010 at 6:35 am #

    I remember about three years ago one of the admin came into a thred and thanked the OP for the apple pies she sent to B’lyn headquarters. Shortly after, the OP was a regualr feature on the FP and became very successful.

    I would have thought that after the Danielle t-shirt scandal that Etsy would have adopted a gratuity policy.
    Wow, did I really think they would do something so logical?

  121. WTFISAPDF May 14, 2010 at 7:03 am #

    On target, MadebyM. As a buyer only, I can say:

    1. Yes, the forums are a turn off to buyers. The mean, snarkiness and unprofessionalism reflect poorly on the site as a whole.

    2. The front page lacks in diversity and appeals to only a certain demographic. Sadly, the demographic Etsy reaches is not in the high disposable income range.

    3. Most buyers aren’t jumping onto Etsy every day. But when they do, they are seeing the same merchandise made by the same sellers. For most, the front page is the landing page. By limiting the FP as to what is offered on the site as a whole, a potential buyer is going to bore quickly.

    4. With all of the resellers and non-vintage crap, buyers are leery about making purchases. And there are plenty of sellers who rip off customers, who will never return. I have seen so many negative feedbacks that say something to the effect, “This was my first purchase on Etsy and it will be my last.”

    5. Etsy does nothing to stop the treasury/voter mafias. I have seen forum threads from sellers who are in the voter, literally buying votes. A couple years ago I made a few treasuries that made the FP. I started getting convos from sellers asking me to include them in exchange for something free from their shop. One seller offered to send me $20 via Paypal to include her. Forget reporting it to admin. Nothing happens.

    6. Etsy has failed in attracting customers to the site to buy handmade. If it weren’t for the supply sellers, I think their profit margin would tell a whole different story.

    Etsy needs to diversify and attempt to reach out to the over 40 consumer. Those are the people who have their mortgages paid off, their students loans paid off, kids grown or near grown, and are more stable in their careers. They have money to spend but might not be so inclined to wear clay cupckae earrings or a moustache prop to work.

  122. MadeByM**** May 14, 2010 at 7:33 am #

    Etsy needs to diversify and attempt to reach out to the over 40 consumer. Those are the people who have their mortgages paid off, their students loans paid off, kids grown or near grown, and are more stable in their careers. They have money to spend but might not be so inclined to wear clay cupckae earrings or a moustache prop to work.

    ***************************************

    Exactly! You said it much better than me!

  123. windyR May 14, 2010 at 8:14 am #

    WTFISAPDF – I think you summed up the issues here very nicely – I agree with your points. As a sell on etsy, I can’t say that I am terribly unhappy, but I am not thrilled with the site either. I can’t understand why so much effort was put into that new suggested shop tab which I looked at once and don’t feel is particularly useful to me. I saw this article
    http://www.shelterpop.com/2010/04/29/5-design-trends-wed-like-to-see-disappear/
    and immediately thought of etsy – it really is time for them to reconsider how they market and to whom they market on the front page.

  124. windyR May 14, 2010 at 8:15 am #

    I meant to say seller on etsy, not sell on etsy!

  125. Life During Wartime May 14, 2010 at 10:32 am #

    Thanks for that link, WindyR! The article covered quite a few of the Etsy ‘trends’ I am tired of: moustaches, owls (and birds in general), painted vintage, taxidermy (real and faux), paper/flower/leaf manufactured ‘party lights’.

    I’d add to that list: USED SHOES! So many of the used shoe pics are f-ing gross. Why does the staff feel there have to be like a half dozen pair in nearly every feature?

  126. tenley May 14, 2010 at 4:26 pm #

    ok well what would explain the same persons getting on the fp then?

  127. it stinks May 14, 2010 at 7:38 pm #

    MadebyM and WTFISAPDF – great job summing it up.

    When I was in my 20’s I was broke, broke. I use to buy the 3 hot dogs for $1 from Der Wienerschnitzle and that was food for 2 days.
    (I weighed a lot less then and it was a long time ago. )

  128. jenn May 15, 2010 at 3:25 am #

    WTFISAPDF Says:
    On target, MadebyM. As a buyer only, I can say:

    1. Yes, the forums are a turn off to buyers. The mean, snarkiness and unprofessionalism reflect poorly on the site as a whole.
    ———

    I have a slightly different thought on this.

    I’m a buyer-only and am thankful for the forums, the snark, and the lack of professionalism shown there.

    Why?

    Because it saves me a boat-load of money on impulse buys!

    Reading the forums gives me a chance to see sellers in all facets, not just the shiny facade of their shop, and I can use that knowledge to determine who to give my (hard-earned) money to.

    Why give money to a jerk if I can help it?

    Especially in the “buyers are out to get something for free, buyers are evil” threads – that reveals to me how I’d be treated if I were to purchase from that person and that’s something I want to know about, you know?

    And I don’t think the forums reflect badly on the site as a whole to me – I can see that etsy is made up of sellers with diverse personalities and can separate the site from those personalities.

    Etsy letting resellers get away with selling, and not having integrity in general is a bad reflection of the site to me – the sellers in the forums aren’t a problem, imho.

    On the flip side, I’ve found some wonderful sellers on the forums from whom I’ve bought great things and plan to buy in the future.

    So let the snarkier sellers be their snarky selves – it’s an education for me 😉

  129. WTFISAPDF May 15, 2010 at 5:13 am #

    I see your point jenn, but to some extent I don’t completely agree. I know quite a few buyers who closed their account because of the forums. They didn’t want to risk a public blistering if they ever had a transaction gone bad.

    One friend opened an account a couple years ago and made a puchase for his wife. The seller started a thread in the forum, doing the yipee stuff and thanking the seller by name. His wife saw it, hence, easily found what he bought. He closed his account that same day. He’s a doctor in a large hospital. He was so upset and he probably told a good portion of his coworkers, who may have gone home and told their friends. Etsy relies on word of mouth, and one pissed off person can tell a few people and it will spread like wildfire.

    But as you said, it does give a buyer the heads up as to who to avoid buying from and it does cut down on impulse spending.
    But I know some good, successful sellers who moved elsewhere because they didn’t want to be associated with the reputation Etsy has because of the forums. Matter of fact, one of my favorite sellers moved from Etsy to Big Cartel because she felt the forums were hurting her business. She had a lot of customers start asking if they could buy from her off-Etsy because they didn’t like the atmosphere.

    It hurts for sure.

  130. kitten May 15, 2010 at 7:44 am #

    WTFISAPDF Says:

    I see your point jenn, but to some extent I don’t completely agree. I know quite a few buyers who closed their account because of the forums. They didn’t want to risk a public blistering if they ever had a transaction gone bad.

    One friend opened an account a couple years ago and made a puchase for his wife. The seller started a thread in the forum, doing the yipee stuff and thanking the seller by name. His wife saw it, hence, easily found what he bought. He closed his account that same day. He’s a doctor in a large hospital. He was so upset and he probably told a good portion of his coworkers, who may have gone home and told their friends. Etsy relies on word of mouth, and one pissed off person can tell a few people and it will spread like wildfire.

    (snip) Matter of fact, one of my favorite sellers moved from Etsy to Big Cartel because she felt the forums were hurting her business. She had a lot of customers start asking if they could buy from her off-Etsy because they didn’t like the atmosphere.

    It hurts for sure.
    ___________________________

    I’m sorry, but all this is just too weird to be true! You really know all these buyers that can’t buy on a site because a handful of Etsy sellers are unprofessional bitches in the forums?

    Compared to all the sellers on Etsy, the psychos in the forums are just a teeny tiny miniscule amount, not even a blip on the Etsy radar! How do all these delicate flower buyersacquaintances of yours cope in day to day life?

    The doctor and his wife story, also strange. Is he a celebrity? That’s the only threads where I’ve seen sellers outing buyers by starting “yipee” threads and not even all that often.

  131. Life During Wartime May 15, 2010 at 9:48 am #

    I’m a buyer only, too, and I agree with what Jenn said.

    I’ve found cool stuff by clicking on shop names after something the owner said in the forums interested me. The really whacky forum behavior has probably spared me at least one transaction with the kind of person I’d rather not deal with.

    A lot of the behavior in the forums is just immature. I’d say that the vibe of Etsy as a whole is immaturity, where women never grow up and are encouraged to act like girls in middle school. That includes the staff.

  132. WTFISAPDF May 15, 2010 at 10:15 am #

    Well, I have about 20 friends who had accounts and most have closed them. Four of my five siblings closed accounts. Nine or ten of my coworkers closed accounts, two aunts, and three cousins all closed accounts. Most of them didn’t like the atmosphere and the risk of getting called out in the forums.

    One friend was called out, when she left a negative feedback for a baby blanket she ordered that was supposed to be handmade. Not only was it obvious that it wasn’t handmade, but the exact blanket was being sold at a major department store for less money (JC Penney carried it at the time). The seller wouldn’t respond to her convos requesting remedy, so she left the negative about five weeks later.

    The seller scorched her in the forums for the negative and a whole bunch of others joined in saying how evil the neg. was and how the buyer (obvious to others from the feedback) didn’t give the seller a chance to make it right (five weeks and 10 or more convos later). The thread went on for about 100 pages before it was closed. My friend was very hurt not only by the thread, but she was bombarded with nasty convos telling her to “kiss and make up” and that she should have given the seller the chance to remedy before leaving a negative- all these convos were in defense of the seller. She learned about the thread through the convos.

    So my friend wrote to Etsy, asking why the thread was allowed to go on for so long and she copied and pasted all the convos, with the request to close her account. The account was closed, and never a response from Etsy.

    When a bunch of us (12 or so) went out to dinner one evening, she told us about it, and many went home and closed their accounts to avoid it ever happening to them and out of protest for what happened to our friend. My friend blogged about her experience and got a lot of supportive comments, some saying they would never shop at Etsy out of the same concern.

    So, if you think that doesn’t happen, think again.

    No my doctor friend isn’t a celebrity. The seller was new and it was her first sale. His username was his real name and the seller titled the thread “Thank you …. (inserted name). It was closed, but his wife happened to find the link to the thread via a Google alert.

    I would hardly say my friends, relatives and coworkers are delicate flowers. They simply chose to shop in friendly atmospheres. And if you think people don’t leave Etsy because of the forums, think again. And if one person has a bad experience, they will tell at least 10 other people (so we learn in psyc 101).

    I wouldn’t call them delicate flowers unable to cope. I would call them people who chose to take their money elsewhere.
    Why the hell would my friend ever want to buy from Etsy again when her well-deserved negative led her to humiliation in the forums (her username was her real name) and over a dozen nasty convos, calling her everything but the anti-Christ? Not to mention she paid $50 for a baby blanket that was selling at JC Penney for $30. The seller even left the little sewn in tag on the blanket (which my friend noted in her feedback).

    Oh, and it took three months for the blanket reseller to get closed down.

  133. Bedazzled VONdom May 15, 2010 at 10:39 am #

    “I’d add to that list: USED SHOES! So many of the used shoe pics are f-ing gross. Why does the staff feel there have to be like a half dozen pair in nearly every feature?”

    I can only assume that at least one admin has a foot/used shoe/dirty feet fetish.

    I also assume that pervs are now shopping for dirty, used shoes on Etsy, especially since it’s much more difficult to sell used shoes to the fetish crowd on eBay.

    It’s good money if you can handle the ick factor.

  134. Em May 15, 2010 at 11:39 am #

    WTFISAPDF-
    All of what you said makes me so sad. Etsy had so much potential but they committed suicide with all the ongoing problems you mentioned and neglecting to fix them.

    I wish I had the knowledge, money, and resources to just start my own venue and include all the things Etsy sellers have been asking for and haven’t gotten. And heavily moderated forums, if any at all. Minus all the meaningless gadgets they’ve given to placate us. Oh, and some REAL rule enforcement (ie, regarding resellers and scammers).

  135. Indeed May 15, 2010 at 2:14 pm #

    @Em, I feel the same way. It will be interesting to see if one of the other handmade sites overtakes Etsy in popularity. If Etsy keeps resting on their “we existed first” laurels, it’s going to happen.

    @WTFISAPDF, I would be livid if I bought something on Etsy and it wasn’t handmade. Do you have a link to the blog post your friend wrote on it?

  136. WTFISAPDF May 15, 2010 at 4:36 pm #

    She deleted her blog about six months ago because she couldn’t keep up with it. I will check to see if I copied and saved it.

    I think you are right that some other handmade site will take over in popularity. Look at the anchor sellers who have left or are leaving Etsy. ArtandGhosts is gone and I know she took a good following with her (me included). Tinctory is leaving and although she didn’t have high-volume sales, she was a good draw for Etsy. That FatDaddy cupcake in a jar shop is gone and that was a huge pull for Etsy. There was a big clay sculpture seller who drew a lot of buyers to Etsy and she’s gone too. I could go on and on with the big/popular sellers who have left. I think when each leaves, they have a certain percentage of fans who follow them to their new location.

    If the Black Apple ever leaves, I do think Etsy’s ship will sink.

  137. jcjohn May 15, 2010 at 4:53 pm #

    Wow, WTFISAPDF, I would be bummed to have had an experience like the baby blanket. It’s so wrong to pass something off as handmade that isn’t.

  138. PussDaddy May 16, 2010 at 12:44 pm #

    Well I suppose I can only hope that my own attitude alienates every one on Etsy. It will save me a lot of money. The sooner the better.

    PussDaddy

  139. etsyfoodscaresme! May 18, 2010 at 1:16 pm #

    The food on etsy scares me. I would never buy it. Not if it was the only food left in the world! I basically assume that everyone makes it in their dirty home kitchen, with unwashed hands, on dirty baking sheets, with no hair net.

    The soap stuff on etsy scares me too, except for one or two sellers who’s soap I’ve used without my skin peeling off or me dying or anything.

    Actually, most of the items on etsy scare me. Let’s just say that.!

  140. Stephica May 18, 2010 at 6:12 pm #

    I’ve bought soap a few times and not had a bad experience, but I stick to the sellers I know. The first soap I bought on Etsy was from friends, so I had seen/used it irl.

  141. PusDaddy May 19, 2010 at 6:24 pm #

    I would say that out of all the soap I bought I got like 5 crappy bars. So far.

    PD

  142. Em May 21, 2010 at 4:25 pm #

    I was never really that interested in soap/bath products on Etsy until recently. It all looks so good! And I have sensitive skin so I’m hoping something homemade would be better… I just don’t have the extra money to spend on it right now! Food on Etsy scares me a lot more than soap.

  143. ロレックス 正規 August 20, 2013 at 4:28 pm #

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