feltu

29 May

http://www.etsy.com/shop/feltu

They’ve been on Etsy since the end of December 2009, but only started selling 2 months ago. Suddenly they’ve made about 140 sales in 2 months.

They’re claiming they’re experts at leather craft and even make a statement in their shop announcement that their items are not stocked or mass-produced. Anyway I have found the same items on a wholesale site online:

The product on Etsy:
http://bit.ly/9CVy0C

Wholesale site:
http://bit.ly/9e4rRp

Also, there is no way this is handmade:
http://www.etsy.com/listing/47903088/the-portable-boomerang-ipad-rotational

and besides, I found the original product for sale :
http://www.diytrade.com/china/4/products/6717143/IPAD_Stand_holder.html

They’re also selling these iphone cases, which are made from moulded polycarbonate:
http://www.etsy.com/listing/47625438/professional-iphone-white-hard-case

I highly doubt that so called experts in leather craft and jewellery making are also able to cast moulds and do polycarbonate injection.

It seems to me that they’ve been on Etsy since the end of December, researching how to make their shop look as though they’re not re-selling, by giving it a cutesy logo and filling out their profile to make it seem as though it’s just 2 people (husband and wife) hand-making all these things.

I just think it’s unfair that they are allowed to remain selling on Etsy, especially at this volume, when they’re clearly getting their products on a wholesale site for around $10USD a piece and then marking them up.

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63 Responses to “feltu”

  1. Life During Wartime May 29, 2010 at 11:39 pm #

    This couple doesn’t make the items in the shop themselves. What we don’t know is: do they work directly for the factory that makes these items in China? If they work for the factory, then obviously they sell on Etsy as well as on the other sites. Their Policies page says they welcome resellers who want to buy their products wholesale and import them into their own countries.

    I guess this is one example of the new expanded Etsy that corporate dude was talking about (forget his name). And that really sux.

  2. Amy May 30, 2010 at 2:23 am #

    I really hate to see this on Etsy. Clearly not handmade – just so blatant. And all those sales in a few months…

    Also 168 sales and 8 feedbacks. Seems very low.

  3. JOINAA May 30, 2010 at 5:00 am #

    SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS

  4. Em May 30, 2010 at 6:53 am #

    Seems very fishy, but they have done a good job at covering their asses if they are indeed reselling. The plastic shit definitely looks factory-made.

  5. Etsy Person May 30, 2010 at 7:10 am #

    What a crock of crap.

  6. detroit May 30, 2010 at 8:05 am #

    I think it’s funny – one of their feedback says:

    “Very professionally made. It’s hard to believe it’s handmade!! Great product! ”

    lol – uh, yeah. Drrrrrr.

    These people seem very aware of what they’re doing. Is there a reseller handbook out there?:

    “Each and every item is lovingly made by hand by us with great care and attention to detail. “

  7. JK May 30, 2010 at 10:06 am #

    I hate that ‘carefully made with ~*~LoVe~*~!!’ crap that resellers always plaster over every listing to give it a veneer of authenticity. Makes me want to add ‘I made this while sitting on my sofa and watching repeats of “Bones” on TV’ to my listings — now there’s honesty!

  8. feltuetsy May 30, 2010 at 10:35 am #

    Hi

    I’m Cyril from FelTu
    My wife and I are quite upset seeing some of the messages above and would like to clarify things up.

    We admit we have just started not long ago in Etsy
    but we have been in business in China and Hong Kong for 7 years. My wife and I originally own a small factory but was closed down due to some personal reason that I do not wish to explain. We have built a good communication network and relations with the local suppliers so we decided to work from home.

    We started by buying the leather and fabric from local market in Guang Zhou and sew ourselves. But we can’t meet the demand and decided to hire 2 sewing workers to work with my wife lately in order to catch up the orders. My wife is in charge of sewing and I’m incharge of online marketing and front-end communication with customers.

    As we were selling the same things in China Online Site(taobao) too, some of our design are quickly copied by local wholesalers. We have stopped selling in China then when we found out and had stayed focused on Etsy.

    If you have noticed our sales history had climbed up only 2 weeks ago and most of our customers have yet received their purchased item. It takes at least 14-20days to make, prepare, ship and deliver the items to doorstep. This explains why we haven’t received most of the feedbacks from them.

    All leather crafts are handmade by us and we have just newly introduced screen print and digital print on the leather crafts in order to prevent further sellers in China having selling similar items.

    We hope to start a brand out online and into retail stores in Hong Kong, and that is why we hope to look for resellers in order to reduce our making cost. Please understand the raw materials such as Leather stands 80% of the cost of making each item, the more materials we order from local suppliers the cheaper price we can get hence we need to increase our sales and qty.

    My wife and I have worked hard this 2 months and hope to survive in this hard and competitive market, we will appreciate your kind understanding. If you do not believe in our products, I can send you one for free but when you received it and feel the quality is up to standard, I hope that you can stop giving negative feedbacks. Please do not comment against goods you have not even seen the actual product handmade by us.

    Something I can’t tolerate is you actually laughed at one of my customers giving his personal comments. I will inform him and let him clarify over here as well. I hope he doesnt get angry when he sees your comment.

    Last but not least, the tripod stand is manufactured by one of our friends and he wish to promote in our Etsy store, we have taken it down since it’s not handmade by us.

    please feel free to email me or Etsy msg me if you have further enquiries.

    Thank You
    Cyril Chang

  9. Stephica May 30, 2010 at 3:03 pm #

    Something I can’t tolerate is you actually laughed at one of my customers giving his personal comments. I will inform him and let him clarify over here as well. I hope he doesnt get angry when he sees your comment.

    ——-

    This gave me a much needed lol.

  10. jcjohn May 30, 2010 at 3:08 pm #

    I didn’t check out the shop, but do they make it clear that there are two persons employed to do the work? That the items are not, in fact, handmade by the shop owners—if I understand the shop owner’s post above.

  11. Etsy Person May 30, 2010 at 3:22 pm #

    If Chang has hired two people to help catch up, he is now a factory. Things are not handmade, they are produced in the same manner by different hands each time. This would be a factory. Not handmade. Not belonging in Etsy. Not honest.

  12. detroit May 30, 2010 at 3:33 pm #

    嘿 Cyril! 你好吗?欢迎光临 Etsycallout.

    Thank you for coming to explain.

    I don’t think you need to worry. Etsy will not shut you down.

    And congratulations on all your orders. Many Etsy crafters work for many years, and do not attain that many sales.

    In my opinion, Etsy was originally started as a venue for people who handmake crafts. Like, for example, maybe how your grandmother, or sister would handknit items at home. Or your brother or sister-in-law may paint pictures, or carves wood.

    In nearly EVERY other store out there, items are made by factory machinery, and by inexpensive labor.

    As I’m sure you could imagine, from the example above, your Grandmother could not possibly hope to compete. It may taker her many hours to handmake a beautiful scarf. While a worker using a factory knitting machine can create one in moments. You see?

    So, Etsy was created as a venue where Grandma, and brother-in-law can sell their items, and not have to compete against factory goods.

    And from the customer perspective, some people like to have a choice. They love the art, care, and talent that goes into Grandma’s scarves. And they are willing to pay perhaps a little more to have this item.

    There are many reasons shoppers may choose to buy GENUINE handmade items. They know they are supporting the artisan directly, helping to keep old traditions alive. Many items cannot be made as beautifully by machine, as they can be by hand. People like to know that their purchases aren’t made by mass production techniques.

    There is NOTHING wrong with mass produced items. They are sold everywhere. However, Etsy was meant to be a little corner of the world that was different.

    To your store – Etsy seems to be changing. Losing sight of its original purpose. In general, handmade business aren’t as profitable. And Etsy seems to now value making fast money, over it’s original reason for being.

    Your items look quite nice. And it seems that there is a good demand. Congratulations on your success!

    However, maybe you can see why some people fell that, while you may confirm to the letter of Etsy law – your store is not exactly in the original spirit of Etsy.

    This is just my opinion. Though, as you can see from this blog, there are several other people who are also upset over the loss of the TRUE handmade spirit Etsy once had.

    Maybe, when you become a bit more successful, you can move on from Etsy. And leave a little spot in the world for those few people who are tying to make a go of the incredibly difficult task of running a TRUE handmade business.

    Best of luck to you!

  13. detroit May 30, 2010 at 3:38 pm #

    Oops! Drat! Fracking typos! Meant to say:

    “However, maybe you can see why some people FEEL that, while you may CONFORM to the letter of Etsy law – your store is not exactly in the original spirit of Etsy.”

  14. it stinks May 30, 2010 at 4:05 pm #

    jcjohn – the answer to your question is no. Feltu does not acknowledge in their shop announcement, policies or profile that they are a mini factory, that they have employees or that they are a “collective”. They state that everything is handmade by “us”.

    I really have a hard time believing that 3 people could put out the items shown in the pictures in huge quantities – wholesale quantities.
    I’m more likely to believe that they – meaning the husband/wife team – own a whole factory of sweat shop workers in Hong Kong who do the work for them which would make them NOT handmade and therefore, they should not be on etsy.
    That’s my opinion. To me this is a valid callout – they are a reseller/mass producer IMO.

  15. Life During Wartime May 30, 2010 at 4:05 pm #

    Cyril, I am trying not to laugh as I type this, but can you please tell us how you, your wife, and two co-workers sew “polished polycarbonate”?

    I am not saying that a small number of skilled and hard-working people can not make handmade high tech items. My late husband worked for small electronics companies as both a hardware and software designer. He would design and assemble the hardware. and write the software to operate the instruments his company sold. Many were one of a kind, and all were handmade. I’m saying you need to add more information to your shop about your small group of people so the Etsy community will know the items are handmade. For example, what each of them does in the process of making your products.

  16. it stinks May 30, 2010 at 4:06 pm #

    Also, I went to the front page of etsy a few minutes ago and it was orange and green. I almost passed out.

  17. Life During Wartime May 30, 2010 at 4:18 pm #

    I had to have a look, it stinks. Was this item on the FP?
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/46113355/win-this-yellow-wall-sculpture-reserved?ref=API_juln_CraftCult

    I thought shops weren’t supposed to list items which are not for sale?

  18. it stinks May 30, 2010 at 5:05 pm #

    I wouldn’t swear to it LDW, but according to craftcult, it was. And yes, you are correct – I believe it is against the rules to list items that are not for sale but people do it all the time and they are all still there.

    That makes about the 4th time this week that I’ve seen color on the FP. They must be smoking something new to have strayed away from their wonderful beige.

  19. jenn May 30, 2010 at 5:21 pm #

    Etsy really and truly sucks lately.

  20. Linda May 30, 2010 at 7:42 pm #

    Yeah- that many sales but only 8 feedback? Something isn’t right there.

  21. Liz May 30, 2010 at 8:27 pm #

    Cyril, it may be so that these items were originally made by you and your wife, but Etsy clearly states that you must disclose if more than one person participates in making the items, which you have not done.

    You are being deceptive by saying that each item is lovingly made by you (the husband and wife team), and you have not mentioned anywhere that you have employed people to make items in your shop.

    As for the boomerang iPad stand, you yourself have admitted you had nothing to do with making it, and in fact it was not handmade. This casts doubt in my mind on everything in your shop.

    So, could you also explain to us how it is that you go about moulding silicone and polycarbonate if you only have a ‘couple’ of extra people to help with sewing? I bet you’ve got a whole factory, as someone else stated.

    Etsy is not a place for factory-made goods. Why don’t you set up your own website and sell through that and leave Etsy for people who don’t mass-produce goods.

  22. insaneinthebrain May 30, 2010 at 8:42 pm #

    ok, so $12 and less for a handmade purse?
    thats a DEAL! or reselling…

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/ToonDesign

  23. Cat Power May 30, 2010 at 8:55 pm #

    insane, that really is a “great” price!….especially since the frame alone (if purchased in a one person operation, as opposed to gigantic wholesale batches) would probably cost an individual about $8.

    And that’s not including the fabric and time to assemble the purse….such a deal?

  24. Stephica May 30, 2010 at 11:34 pm #

    From the ToonDesign shop:

    ***Interesting in wholesale price or discount?? Please feel free to contact me at
    toondesign [!at] hotmail.com

  25. Amused May 31, 2010 at 12:43 am #

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/weekend

    I think not…………

  26. Amused May 31, 2010 at 12:54 am #

    …and DirtBag is still at it too.
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/ditbge

    Also, please let us not forget this trash, making me ill.
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/JessieJewelry

  27. Laura May 31, 2010 at 1:58 am #

    Etsy is depressing me!

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/46015297/sleeping-beauty-ring-silver-alloy

    She’s a freakin metalsmith? YEA…. right..

  28. Amy May 31, 2010 at 3:45 am #

    wow – those ToonDesign purses are an insane price! Surely not handmade.

  29. SimonJester May 31, 2010 at 3:46 am #

    Also, FelTu lists their website in their Etsy profile where you can buy the same items as sold in their Etsy store – yet another rule broken by this shop. AND when you go to it, there is a lovely pop-up screen that explains how you will pay more if you buy through Etsy!

  30. feltuetsy May 31, 2010 at 6:19 am #

    Hi

    Life During Wartime and detroit
    Thank You for your time for giving me precious comments.

    I better clarify more how we meet the high demand for ipad cases as there are so many people asking the same question.

    We respect the spirit of Etsy being all items need to be handmade personally and in fact it’s all handmade personally by my wife. But It’s impossible for just me and my wife to work on so many orders in such a short period of time. And we understand that many customer do not have the patience to wait any longer than 2 weeks for their purchase.

    We have 1 assistant in China keep looking for good quality leathers in Guang Zhou(we can even tell you which shop we get our leather from if you are interested), please understand that genuine leathers are hard to find in small quantity moreover it’s of high ready-made quality. He needs to queue, place pre-booking in order to get Good Leathers.

    And another assistant in Hong Kong helping us to packed the items nicely, he’s also in charged of design the packaging box. We will very soon have our own nicer packing box with our logo on it and descriptive stickers of content inside and everything. thanks to him.

    Explained in my previous message, My wife is in-charged of sewing and sewing ONLY. As I do not know sewing, i will only design the stylings and pass to her. We can only produce about 5pcs of leather casings and that’s about our limit. It’s just nice to meet the demand right now. we DO NOT outsource or hire any sewing workers as they are expensive to hire! and do not care about the quality. You can see similar items in DHGATE or eBay or Alibaba, yes they are very much similar but are mass produced. We can’t fight with them in terms of pricing. We respect the decisions of customers and they always have the right to buy the similar item somewhere else.

    Last of all I’m in charged of the Etsy stores management and customer service and anything front-end. We tried selling in China Online Sites in the first such as TAOBAO but our designs got copied and we have given up selling in China hence we turned to Etsy instead. You can check that we signed in Etsy during last year Dec but only starts selling during April and this is the reason why.

    The 2nd Question is how we do the polycarbonate thing since there are so many people asking. It’s actually a market secret but we have to reveal it @ no choice. The polycarbonate itself is a plastic cover and it’s of course impossible to handmade this, it’s purchased directly from a plastic factory BUT the leather ontop of it is 100% handmade by us! We purchased the leather fabric, source for nice patterns in the local leather markets and pasted it ontop of the plastic, this process is 100% handmade. We cannot reveal anymore details further as it concerns about business secrets.

    The last question is about our factory. Why I mentioned about this, it’s because to explain clearly where does my experience come from in this sewing market but I HAVE ALSO CLEARLY STATED OUR FACTORY IS CLOSED in my previous message. I’m not sure why there’s comments still saying I own a factory. We did have one previously, but due to one of my export customers didn’t make payment for the orders I made for him, we did not have enough money to run further and we are forced to close it down. Of course there are still many other reasons such as rapid rising of workers labor cost. In the end we decided to do online retail with lesser risk.

    I hope this will be my last conversation here, as I prefer to save more time for my customers in Etsy as many of them are urgently looking for a nice leather case that suit their needs.

    Last but not least, as many similar items will be coming out online, in order to be unique and first to introduce certain designs, we are now looking for designers to help us design fabrication patterns. And be sure to look forward that we soon to have a whole new range of fabrication cases for iPad.

    Thank you for all the critics and precious advise.
    As we believe there won’t be improvements without any critism
    We will strive to work hard and keep on design more nice cases for you guys.

    Thank You
    Cyril, FelTu

  31. it stinks May 31, 2010 at 12:57 pm #

    Wow, feltu. Thank you for coming back here to advertise your future lines that you are hiring designers to help you make.

    I, myself, am the only one who designs and handmakes the items I sell. I can’t afford to hire a designer to design things for me.

    In your previous post, you clearly state ” But we can’t meet the demand and decided to hire 2 sewing workers to work with my wife lately in order to catch up the orders.” Yet in this last post you state that only your wife sews and the 2 “assistants” that you have help with packaging and buying leather. Please try to keep your lies straight.

    I realize there is a language barrier here, so I will clarify – a lie is when you do not tell the truth.

    You do not belong on etsy – you belong on ebay or on your own website. Your items are not handmade by you and your wife alone and you are not a collective.

    There is nothing we who read Etsycallout can do to get you kicked off etsy (except flag your shop which does nothing) and etsy won’t kick you off because they don’t give a crap that their site in no longer handmade and has become a giant flea market of mass produced stuff.

    So sad.

  32. Amy May 31, 2010 at 2:11 pm #

    you admit you don’t make the plastic. so why is this in your shop? http://www.etsy.com/listing/47490724/professional-iphone-hard-case-frame

    Even with your (rather contradictory) explanation it seems to suggest you are a small business with a few employees – maybe you are not working out of a huge factory – but that still does not mean Etsy is an acceptable place for you to sell.

  33. it stinks May 31, 2010 at 3:21 pm #

    Yes, Amy and it’s listed under “bags and purses”. What crap.

    Nothing pisses me off more than when the resellers come here to defend themselves. It’s pretty funny that they all read this site though.

  34. Em May 31, 2010 at 3:38 pm #

    -and they think that by staying complacent they will win our sincerest apologies and shop hearts.

  35. detroit May 31, 2010 at 4:53 pm #

    As always – the blame lies squarely with Etsy. You can’t blame people who are tryin to eat. If they hear their friends are making money through this venue, they’re gonna try too.

    The responsibility lies with Etsy to enforce their rules. There wouldn’t be so many resellers if word hadn’t gotten out among them that Etsy was a profitable venue.

  36. jcjohn May 31, 2010 at 5:32 pm #

    This is handcrafted (sewn) and made of leather all for $10.90?

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/47490726/for-apples-next-iphone-4-purple-leather

  37. blood, sweat and tears May 31, 2010 at 7:50 pm #

    “Etsy is not a place for factory-made goods. Why don’t you set up your own website and sell through that and leave Etsy for people who don’t mass-produce goods.”

    this whole thread pertaining to feltu should be bound and sent to the etsy admins. with a receipt when received….

  38. Liz June 1, 2010 at 1:19 am #

    Cyril, please read the Etsy rules about multiple people under the same shop. The rules say:

    The Public Profile page for the account must fully disclose accurate information about each person, their role in the Etsy shop and the relationships between the members of the collective. Etsy may ask for additional information and require that the shop comply with additional requirements.

    All I can see in your profile is that you mention that it’s just you and your wife. There is absolutely no mention of assistants and what their role is.

    Also, you say: “we are now looking for designers to help us design fabrication patterns”. Are you planning to mention any of this in your profile? I’ll be checking up on your shop regularly for sure.

    Thank you for removing the polycarbonate (with no leather covering) and iPad boomerang stand. I’m sure you read the rules, but decided to flout them anyway, and only took the items down when you got bad publicity about them.

    I have no problem with a few people working on a shop together, but what I have the problem with is when people aren’t honest about it and pretend they are doing all the work themselves, or pretending the things in their shop are handmade when they’re not (like the polycarbonate iphone cover and ipad stand). It’s just dishonest.

  39. Etsy Person June 1, 2010 at 5:56 am #

    Hey Cyril!
    You don’t belong on Etsy. Its not about “the spirit of Etsy”. Its about your are violating the TOU and know it.

  40. Cat Power June 1, 2010 at 1:19 pm #

    jcjohn…if you read the materials list it is listed as ‘faux leather’..but either way, it is a come-on and anyone who doesn’t go the extra distance to read materials, will be rudely surprised when their vinyl ipod cover arrives!

    Could that be called fraud, or is it just buyer beware… and be sure to read the fine print?’

  41. MadeByM**** June 1, 2010 at 1:27 pm #

    Cat Power Says:
    June 1, 2010 at 1:19 pm
    jcjohn…if you read the materials list it is listed as ‘faux leather’..but either way, it is a come-on and anyone who doesn’t go the extra distance to read materials, will be rudely surprised when their vinyl ipod cover arrives!
    **********************

    Good catch!

  42. MadeByM**** June 1, 2010 at 1:29 pm #

    How about the “tag” on this one??? Vintage? OMG!

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/47950307/professional-ipad-genuine-black-cowhide

    bags and purses, pouch, laptop, padded, sleeve, leather, case, apple, ipad, accessories, handmade, women, cowhide, vintage

  43. detroit June 1, 2010 at 1:45 pm #

    Cyril has left the building….

  44. JK June 1, 2010 at 2:07 pm #

    Wish he’d leave Etsy, too.

  45. Etsy Person June 1, 2010 at 2:45 pm #

    How about the “tag” on this one??? Vintage? OMG!

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/47950307/professional-ipad-genuine-black-cowhide

    bags and purses, pouch, laptop, padded, sleeve, leather, case, apple, ipad, accessories, handmade, women, cowhide, vintage
    ___________
    Beside the bleeding cluster of tags, that sure doesn’t look like “cow leather”. It looks like “plastic leather’ or PLEATHER.

  46. Life During Wartime June 1, 2010 at 3:17 pm #

    Maybe they found a bunch of unused rolls of vintage velour made in Taiwan in the 70s. The stuff that shed fluff like crazy?

  47. Kirsi June 2, 2010 at 3:52 am #

    I guess you have a license from FIFA to use them in your advertisement? And I love the ‘Switzerland’ iPhone case with the Danish flag on it 😀

  48. Liz June 2, 2010 at 3:13 pm #

    5 days AFTER this thread was started I convo’d Feltu asking about whether a particular item was really handmade. This was the response I got:

    Sorry this item in not for sale
    we have pull it down
    please browse for other items

    Thank You

    How’s that for an admission of guilt?

    So even after this thread was started in which Cyril from Feltu responded twice (so he can’t say he wasn’t aware of the rules), he continued to sell products that weren’t handmade.

    Seriously, it really just makes me think ‘dodgy seller’ and makes me doubt the authenticity of anything in that shop now.

    There are still items in that shop that I don’t think are handmade. Clean up your act, Cyril.

  49. Life During Wartime June 2, 2010 at 3:46 pm #

    And Cyril and his factory mates are sniveling after being called out, all the way to the bank…200 sales as of now.

    Etsy: champion of reseller shops and small factories. Sigh.

  50. marn June 3, 2010 at 11:22 am #

    from Feltu’s current jewelry listings:

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/48554010/modern-headphone-necklace-jewelry-design

    ********************Note**********************
    All Jewelry is 100% Handmade by Me, hence every Design is limited to only one customer one purchase, once sold it’s sold out forever and you won’t be able to see the same repeat unless upon custom order.
    ***********************************************

    I count 4 sold already, same pictures, same description.

  51. it stinks June 3, 2010 at 1:51 pm #

    Yep, ol’ Cyril and Carol are full of poo.

  52. Hmmm June 4, 2010 at 6:50 am #

    I really love this one.

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/45955383/modern-skateboard-necklace-design-with

    Unfortunately it would appear to be a one off as he says

    “All Jewelry is 100% Handmade by Me, hence every Design is limited to only one customer one purchase, once sold it’s sold out forever and you won’t be able to see the same repeat unless upon custom order.
    ***********************************************”

    If I was to buy it and you wanted one then ha ha because I would have the only one in existence.

    Well……………………… except maybe this one

    http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm-img/308874572-Free-shipping-lover-s-necklace-bible-cross-skateboard-fashion-titanium-stainless-steel-jewelry-wholesalers.html

    or maybe this one ………………

    http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm-img/308874572-Free-shipping-lover-s-necklace-bible-cross-skateboard-fashion-titanium-stainless-steel-jewelry-wholesalers.html

  53. Hmmm June 4, 2010 at 7:37 am #

    Fancy a little robot necklace

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/47198961/modern-movable-robot-necklace-jewelry?ref=v1_other_1

    One off – once it is gone it is gone never to be repeated.

    Unless

    http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/289191530/robot_stainless_steel_necklace/showimage.html

    Just change the chain.

  54. Blue Kitty June 4, 2010 at 7:46 am #

    it stinks Says:
    May 31, 2010 at 3:21 pm
    Yes, Amy and it’s listed under “bags and purses”. What crap.

    Nothing pisses me off more than when the resellers come here to defend themselves. It’s pretty funny that they all read this site though.

    ……………………….

    They probably read it for hints and tips on how to re-word their shop descriptions, profile etc. in order to pull the wool over the eyes of Etsy Admin and pass themselves off as simple hard-working crafters with no little factory tucked away somewhere and no employees working for them.

  55. Life During Wartime June 4, 2010 at 10:32 am #

    Now Cyril is going to come back and tell us those sellers on Alibaba are copying his original sewn designs. Or jewelry designs. Or mystic gemstones. Or the contents of his warehouse?

    I love how he makes his own stainless steel chains by hand, too:
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/feltu?section_id=6996425
    That’s a lot of loving and caring handmade work for only 4 dollars!

  56. it stinks June 4, 2010 at 11:33 am #

    Good work HMMmm!!

  57. Hmmm June 4, 2010 at 10:52 pm #

    Not that it would make any difference anyway but I haven’t reported it to Etsy.

    Any takers?

  58. Blue Kitty June 5, 2010 at 1:25 am #

    Hmmm its taken me a long time to come to my senses and realise that Etsy take no notice of reports of resellers.

    I first reported this shop in April

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/GourdgeousGourdsPa

    Since then they have had 33 sales and listed many more mass produced items often wrongly tagged. Latest are some “Miniature Porcelain cats Japan” picked up at an estate sale and they believe to be Japanese, listed in handmade “dolls and miniatures” of course and undoubtedly not 20 years old either. How much detective work do Admin have to do to discover these items are WRONG?

    The main trade is in HO railway figures made by Woodland Scenics a company with divisions in Europe and America and well known in the hobby of model railways. I sent links of some specific items to Etsy to save them the hard work of going to the Woodland Scenics site and hunting themselves. Still there, still listing, still selling.

    What point is there?

    Its obvious that Etsy now accepts anything for sales there but pretends to the membership that its a “Handmade, vintage and supplies” site.

    I really wish they would be honest and come right out and admit it and tell us we are wasting out time bothering to flag anything because the new tagline is “ETSY WHERE ANYTHING GOES”

  59. Blue Kitty June 5, 2010 at 1:30 am #

    Here’s another one I’ve reported since April

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/duckydolls

    Not doing quite so well, only 10 mass produced items sold since I reported them.

    They also have a shop that sells jewelry, maybe some of you who know about that can tell if that shop is also reselling.

    I can only state for certain that the dollhouse miniatures are all factory made and sold extensively in stores.

  60. Nice Try June 15, 2010 at 1:46 am #

    These products belong on Ebay or a market stall, they do not belong on Etsy. What is the point of signing a handmade pledge? People like this should be taken off Etsy immediately as they are having a negative impact on the businesses of real independent designer/makers as well as bringing the notion of handmade items into disrepute.

  61. Clemens July 22, 2010 at 6:58 am #

    Hi everybody I just googled it, because I am thinking the same…what can we do? the best thing is we all (ALL) write to etsy. This is the only thing we can do. But the smart etsy shopper will recognize it i guess… and he just put 20-30 new products in. handmade…of course…but little childeren hands…

    greetz clemens

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