chinacherie, bluewitch

4 Jun

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Something that bothers me as a seller
http://www.etsy.com/listing/48280195/filigree-ring-silver-guinivere

She should know better I think? I just feel like buyers might believe she actually made the ring herself. If she plated or added patina to it herself then I didn’t see it anywhere in her description.

She is not in my category- I just happened upon it once and recognized it.

http://stores.channeladvisor.com/accessoriessusan/Items/b651?&caSKU=b651&caTitle=%23B651%20Filigree%20Finger%20Ring%20Oxidized%20Sterling%20Silver%20Plated%20Adjustable%20%281%29

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http://www.etsy.com/shop/bluewitch
http://www.bluewitchceramics.com/
http://bluewitchceramics.com/about-us/info_1.html

Hand made?

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This post is also at our duplicate Blogger ECO blog: http://etsycallout.blogspot.com/2010/06/chinacherie-bluewitch.html

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160 Responses to “chinacherie, bluewitch”

  1. MsGrr June 4, 2010 at 2:21 pm #

    Interesting!
    I buy from the same manufacturer. Not Accessory Susan, the actual USA factory, and I have seen these rings in their catalogs. They come preshaped, and you can buy them already plated too.
    The only thing I can think of that she may have done to this item is oxidize them to antique them? I guess thats hand altered, but its a bit of a stretch to say so.

  2. sick of cupcakes June 4, 2010 at 2:55 pm #

    What a crock.

  3. of course June 4, 2010 at 3:16 pm #

    china crap, I mean chinacherie ….barely counts as assembled jewelry to begin with but this figures…

  4. ohmeohmy June 4, 2010 at 3:59 pm #

    she makes TONS of sales when people could basically make this stuff themselves. I was surprised the first time I saw her shop. Nothig is handmade just assembled. Probably takes 3 mins or less.

    But she is etsy legal, except for that ring…

  5. Dee June 4, 2010 at 4:15 pm #

    I have bought those ring bases flat. So maybe she formed them around a mandrel like I do mine?

  6. chinacherie June 4, 2010 at 6:04 pm #

    here we go again. i buy the filigrees flat from hong kong and i use a ring mandrel to form them. didn’t we just do this a few months ago until i threatened legal action and the thread was taken down. you better have your facts straight when you print false information seeking to damage someone’s reputation. you want the link to the flat filigrees that i use? geez louse. seems like you have nothing better to do. go after the sellers that are actually breaking the TOU on etsy. i am not one of them.

  7. chinacherie June 4, 2010 at 6:12 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/48364157/special-offer-fn-rb-03006-nickel-free

    here’s the link to the flat filigrees. now take this thread down or i will contact wordpress and consider legal action. this is defamation of character for the second time.

  8. Em June 4, 2010 at 7:53 pm #

    oh, calm down. with thousands of sales, I doubt you should be worrying about defamation. This blog can be used for calling out those who violate the TOU and other HOT TOPICS… for the twelfth time.

    You know, I’ve worked my ass off for my Etsy shop, and have just over 100 sales in the past year to show for it. I don’t have extensive technical skills (although I would like to), but I put a lot of time and care into my designs and assembly. Do you not get that it’s a bit frustrating when people like you are making bank with cheap, quickly-made stuff that requires little to no thought?

    I know where one can get those ring bases, and yes, they are often sold flat. Since when does shaping it into a ring make that handmade? That is truly a stretch.

  9. Em June 4, 2010 at 7:55 pm #

    And I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t have a case for defamation unless you had PROOF that this here blog had an adverse effect on your sale volume. Stop trying to exert authority by saying you’ll take legal action.

    I’m not one to throw the “free speech” card in a discussion usually, but it definitely applies here.

    Sorry for the double post, I think it’s my bedtime…

  10. kitten June 4, 2010 at 8:25 pm #

    I only rememeber chinacherie from the forums when she called out a buyer and she rubbed me the wrong way, but I have to say I agree with her. I think this should be taken down.

    And Em, if you’ve done nothing wrong, would you like your shop highlighted here? You think you’re the only one who works their ass off? I’m sure chinacherie does as well. Sounds like you’re just jealous because chinacherie’s shop is selling well and yours isn’t.

  11. Liz June 4, 2010 at 9:01 pm #

    While I agree that chinacherie’s store isn’t breaking Etsy rules, I think that there needs to be a policy in Etsy’s rules about making a clear distinction between handmade items and assembled/altered items.

    I think if you’re using store-bought pendants and just whacking them on a chain (as an example), then it should be Etsy rules to state the fact in the item description.

    Yes, a lot of people who know their way around Etsy can tell the difference between assembled jewellery and jewellery made from scratch, but many buyers come on Etsy and know it as a site for ‘handmade’ goods and don’t know the difference between something which is completely designed by the seller and something which is made up of parts which have not been designed by the seller. I just think the buyer should be given all the information.

    I saw someone selling t-shirt dresses the other day with original screenprinted designs on them. They included in the description that the designs were screenprinted onto dresses by American Apparel. I think this is a good example of the seller being honest with the buyer, and I think it should be a rule that you disclose if you bought a particular item and then altered it.

  12. Em June 4, 2010 at 9:02 pm #

    Yup… it’s the jealous label. Sorry, try again.

    Guess my business plan is all wrong. I should be spending my time creating as many simple pendant necklaces as I can; just churning them out by the handful. The apparent key to success is not an eye for design and persistence, it’s – dare I say it – mass production.

    No where in the OP was this person really being called out as a straight-up reseller, but come on, almost 1000 items in stock? I now realize where all the buyers are going.

    Screw this. I just started working and once I get moved up to full time, I’m closing up my shops. This is ridiculous.

  13. kitten June 4, 2010 at 9:19 pm #

    Em Says:

    Yup… it’s the jealous label. Sorry, try again.
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    Call it what you want. Looks like jealousy to me. She’s selling, you’re not. The buyers prefer her things over yours. Either your stuff is crap, you don’t market it well, you give bad customer service, you wrap poorly, are a slow shipper or maybe just your attitude. Whatever it is, either change your business plan, quit complaining or quit altogether. Complaining that others are selling (when they are Etsy legal) and you’re not is just, well jealousy or maybe you’re just mean and hateful all the time.

  14. PussDaddy June 4, 2010 at 10:42 pm #

    If this is not corrected by tomorrow then I will remove your link from my blog and all references pointing people here as my blog is all about such petty bullshit that people do to each other and I am not going to support anyone doing it.

  15. ADC June 4, 2010 at 11:45 pm #

    There’s a lot of snobbery on Etsy to sellers like me who hand assemble. I would love to do metal work but I can’t afford lessons nor do I have the space to do it at home so I make jewellery how I can and I enjoy it. Some people just need to accept it’s Etsy legal and thats it. End of Story, you can’t do anything about it so quit complaining.

  16. Life During Wartime June 5, 2010 at 1:47 am #

    I have to say that chinacherie must be some amazing marketing goddess to get people to pay her asking price for the same ring I can buy from several Etsy supplies shops for about 50 cents.

  17. detroit June 5, 2010 at 1:51 am #

    I agree. Calm the heck down. I hate it when people toss around threats of legal action.

    People are free to criticize your shop. They’re not saying you’re a child molester. – That’s defamation. Jeez.

    Also, let’s be real, Chinacherie. In your description you say “I also make this ring in gold plated – please see my other listings!”

    You have a big paragraph of fluff about Guinevere, vintage jewelry toolings, then the above sentence about how you ‘make’ them in other colors in the description.

    You’re pretty knowingly implying to people that you are making the rings. Not just buying cheap forms from China and bending them into a circle.

    Disingenuous, guess that’s what it takes – huh?

    ECO – please keep this up. I think it’s a worthy hot topic. And is hardly hurting the seller.

  18. JOINAA June 5, 2010 at 3:41 am #

    DITTO on the rush to the att’y crap. An att’y will always get his fee and you won’t probably won’t get dick.
    I would say– walk away and grow some skin. It’s a blog designed for complaining.

  19. uh-huh June 5, 2010 at 4:04 am #

    You could mention in the listing that you bent the flat thing round. Might could charge more then.

  20. Shhhh June 5, 2010 at 5:04 am #

    I knew chinacherie looked familiar and after actually reading some listings, it all looks very misleading…talkign about making things in different colors when all it was was ‘assembled.’ Yes, it is Etsy legal but to charge $10 a ring when she probably got quite a few for only a couple dollars…everybody needs to make a living but by twisting words, it makes one lose respect.

  21. JohnCock June 5, 2010 at 5:13 am #

    Unaltered cigar boxes:

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/nazcigars

  22. Blue Kitty June 5, 2010 at 5:39 am #

    Liz Says:
    June 4, 2010 at 9:01 pm
    While I agree that chinacherie’s store isn’t breaking Etsy rules, I think that there needs to be a policy in Etsy’s rules about making a clear distinction between handmade items and assembled/altered items.

    ………………………………………..

    I agree 100%

    However as Etsy can’t even shift all the totally factory made mass produced stuff off the site there doesn’t seem a snowball in Hell’s chance of such a policy being enforced.

  23. Etsy Person June 5, 2010 at 5:50 am #

    Some jewelry buyers are looking for that mass produced look whether its a charm on a chain or a filigree rolled into a ring. I find it sad that this is lumped into the “handmade” category as there is very little art or creativity put into it. As for “Either your stuff is crap, you don’t market it well, you give bad customer service, you wrap poorly, are a slow shipper or maybe just your attitude.” – that could be. But I think low sales are usually (a) your stuff is not their style (b) you charge too much.
    I would like this blog to post more call out items as there certainly is a huge amount to choose from.

  24. crazy cat lady June 5, 2010 at 7:22 am #

    ADC Says:
    June 4, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    There’s a lot of snobbery on Etsy to sellers like me who hand assemble. I would love to do metal work but I can’t afford lessons nor do I have the space to do it at home so I make jewellery how I can and I enjoy it. Some people just need to accept it’s Etsy legal and thats it. End of Story, you can’t do anything about it so quit complaining.
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    Word.

  25. JK June 5, 2010 at 7:31 am #

    I’d love to convo people who buy the charm-on-a-chain pieces with links to Michael’s, Jo-Ann Fabrics, AC Moore and all the other places they can easily buy the supplies and assemble the ‘handmade’ items themselves for far less cash. And for the ‘U R JUST JELLIS!!!’ crowd, my Etsy shop is my day job as far as income — I’m not jealous, just disgusted when people whose pieces barely even qualify as hand-assembled try to pass themselves off as being on the same level as actual jewelers.

  26. JK June 5, 2010 at 7:35 am #

    I should clarify that I think there’s a huge world of difference between people who purchase loose beads, wires, chains and findings, then plan a design and create it while not having handmade any of the components themselves, and those who literally purchase a pre-fab charm and slide it on a pre-fab chain with no other thought or effort involved.

  27. Em June 5, 2010 at 8:07 am #

    Maybe I overreacted a little bit when I was sleep-deprived, but it’s definitely not envy I’m feeling. I think I just feel cheated because I’ve been tempted to list a few pieces that are simple pendants on chains, but I wanted to make it something special and original. I guess I’m trying to enhance the buyer experience by offering something no one else has, ya know? Pendant and chain is like the easy way out, no creativity required.

  28. kitten June 5, 2010 at 8:46 am #

    JK Says:

    I’d love to convo people who buy the charm-on-a-chain pieces with links to Michael’s, Jo-Ann Fabrics, AC Moore and all the other places they can easily buy the supplies and assemble the ‘handmade’ items themselves for far less cash. And for the ‘U R JUST JELLIS!!!’ crowd, my Etsy shop is my day job as far as income — I’m not jealous, just disgusted when people whose pieces barely even qualify as hand-assembled try to pass themselves off as being on the same level as actual jewelers.
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    Yeah, convo is the way to go. “”rolls eyes”” That will definitely get you on a lot of DNBF list. Some people don’t live by a Michaels, Jo-Ann’s Fabric, or an AC Moore <—like me (never heard of it until Etsy…sounds like a paint store.) Some people aren't able to leave the house, don't drive, don't have time or find it easier to just purchase on Etsy while drinking coffee in their pajamas.

    If it's not jealousy, is it snobbery? I think a bit of both. Sellers like you are a huge turn off.

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    Em Says:

    Maybe I overreacted a little bit when I was sleep-deprived, but it’s definitely not envy I’m feeling. I think I just feel cheated because I’ve been tempted to list a few pieces that are simple pendants on chains, but I wanted to make it something special and original. I guess I’m trying to enhance the buyer experience by offering something no one else has, ya know? Pendant and chain is like the easy way out, no creativity required.
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    Maybe? No maybe, you did.

    List them. If it's what the buyer wants, they'll buy it. That makes it special to them… the buying experience can be enhanced further by your customer service, answering convos quick, shipping quickly, enclosing a personal note, clever presentation (wrapping) of the jewelry item, etc… There is creativity required… you have to put something together that looks great together. Let the buyer be the judge if they want it or not.

    Obviously chinacherie's customers are happy. Let them be the judge if she stays in business or not.

  29. JK June 5, 2010 at 8:53 am #

    Kitten, if you think that’s a ‘turn off’, I can safely say I don’t want someone like you as my customer anyway. People who can’t appreciate the difference between something created into a workable piece from raw components and a pre-made charm on a pre-made chain at Wal-Mart prices aren’t exactly my customer base.

  30. uh-huh June 5, 2010 at 9:20 am #

    We should all be assembling stuff, those who do it seem to make a killing and it must take about 10 seconds. Meanwhile I’m hunched over a table all day making stuff from scratch. That makes me the idiot I guess.

  31. sick of cupcakes June 5, 2010 at 10:10 am #

    Some people want cheap, some want quality. What I make can be bought in the store for less, but I make it by hand, therefore people will pay more for it.

  32. um no June 5, 2010 at 10:23 am #

    Off to the dollar store!

  33. RocksInMySocks June 5, 2010 at 10:38 am #

    Regardless of whatever opinion you hold on the merits of assembled jewelry, it IS allowed on Etsy under their tou’s. chinacherie is obviously not violating the rules and I find it offensive to see her being called out when she’s done nothing wrong.

    Forming a ring by wrapping it around a mandrel does take a bit of skill to do it nicely and it’s obvious that’s what she’s doing. She doesn’t deserve this shit.

  34. Life During Wartime June 5, 2010 at 11:13 am #

    RocksInMySocks, can’t you see why some of us have questions about chinacherie’s ring? No one has commented that she is violating anything in the TOU.

    But you can buy these rings on Etsy as a supply. Like here:

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/48777877/bulk-sale-36pcs-adjustable-antique-brass

    If you can sell the same ring either as a supply or as handmade jewelry, why can’t you sell a commercially made finished chain as a supply? These rings sold as supplies can clearly be worn AS IS without altering them or embellishing them as chinacherie’s listings and sales history show.

    That’s the question I have. It’s not an attack on chinacherie. I want to know why Etsy is so inconsistent with its TOU for supplies.

  35. kitten June 5, 2010 at 11:36 am #

    JK Says:

    Kitten, if you think that’s a ‘turn off’, I can safely say I don’t want someone like you as my customer anyway. People who can’t appreciate the difference between something created into a workable piece from raw components and a pre-made charm on a pre-made chain at Wal-Mart prices aren’t exactly my customer base.

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    I didn’t say your jewelry or shop was a turn-off, YOU are.

    I don’t buy from sellers who feel they have to put other sellers down. You’re one of those who lack confidence in yourself and you tear others down to make yourself feel superior. Nothing to be proud of.

    I don’t shop at Wal-Mart so…..

    Maybe you should make your customer(s) fill out an application before buying, you know, so you can weed out the riff-raff. Idiot.

  36. LCM June 5, 2010 at 11:51 am #

    Regardless of whether it’s “Etsy legal” it’s not “Legal legal.” The FTC defines fair use of the term “handmade” the same place it defines fair use or the terms “14 karat gold” and “sterling silver.” Hand assembled jewelry cannot legally be sold as handmade (either stated explicitly or implied) for anyone selling under FTC jurisdiction. Just google ftc jewelry guide. You can find it on the ftc.gov website.

  37. kitten June 5, 2010 at 11:53 am #

    LCM Says:

    Regardless of whether it’s “Etsy legal” it’s not “Legal legal.” The FTC defines fair use of the term “handmade” the same place it defines fair use or the terms “14 karat gold” and “sterling silver.” Hand assembled jewelry cannot legally be sold as handmade (either stated explicitly or implied) for anyone selling under FTC jurisdiction. Just google ftc jewelry guide. You can find it on the ftc.gov website.
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    So sue!

  38. Em June 5, 2010 at 12:04 pm #

    while I’m in bitch mode….

    what crawled up your ass and died, kitten?

    I admitted I overreacted. No need to slap my wrist and resort to name-calling of others.

  39. toastycrackers June 5, 2010 at 12:44 pm #

    I bought a ring just like that a long time ago when I was an ignorant buyer. When I received it in the mail, I was disappointed as it was obviously not “handmade” as I had assumed. It felt cheap.

    I was even more disappointed when I saw these in a supply search one day. Felt ripped off.

    I think there is a big difference between the kinds of jewelry makers out there. All spend a vastly different amount of time on their work, but I’d like to think everyone would at least put some thought and creativity into it. I mean, even if the people who put pendants on chains would just add SOMETHING else to it, say a colored bead or two, it would be at least a little more respectable.

  40. Blue Kitty June 5, 2010 at 12:46 pm #

    PussDaddy Says:
    June 4, 2010 at 10:42 pm
    If this is not corrected by tomorrow then I will remove your link from my blog and all references pointing people here as my blog is all about such petty bullshit that people do to each other and I am not going to support anyone doing it.

    ………………………….

    Oh nooooo the sky’s falling in.

    Have you already decided to keep on blogging then because if you are giving up it isn’t going to make one scrap of difference whether you do or don’t.

  41. jcjohn June 5, 2010 at 12:54 pm #

    what an interesting discussion…I’m curious, from the buyers perspective, is it handmade?

  42. Life During Wartime June 5, 2010 at 1:25 pm #

    It seems that bluewitch has more than one Etsy shop and neither shop mentions the other.

    The 3rd link in the OP callout above (about-us) discloses that the co-owner of Blue Witch Ceramics is ‘Madame Pomm’.

    Madame Pomm has a website, not the same as Blue Witch ceramics, here:
    http://madamepomm.com/index.html

    The website has links to a blog, her Ebay business, and a different Etsy shop with the user ID nuudee.

    If you visit nuudee’s Etsy shop, it is indeed Madame Pomm and her hubby and employees. Plus there are a half dozen other shops linked in the announcement (bluewitch is not mentioned) in Thailand and the US selling an assortment of imported factory made merchandise — all the same entity I think. Some of the linked Etsy shops are now empty (closed by Etsy?), but no problem — you can still order from a bunch of other blogs!

    I’m pretty sure Madame Pomm and her factory have been called out somewhere before.

    At the very least she is violating the Etsy TOU by not disclosing that nuudee and bluewitch are the same people.

  43. JOINAA June 5, 2010 at 1:46 pm #

    O M G . What will we do without a link to PD? This is a rhetorical question.

    The charm on a chain discussion could go on forever, as it has since forever. The fact that Etsy is a place for that and diamonds and everything in between is what makes it a weird place to shop: it becomes what you want it to be.

    The only way to feel comfortable on that site is to have one shop for your artistic integrity and one for the slapdash quickies sold to those who don’t know and don’t care about anything more involved. Both are welcomed on Etsy, as incongruous as it feels.

    And then there is the just plain crap that isn’t what it says it is. I sometimes think that people who buy that shit deserve to learn the hard way to be more discriminating with their $$, like we all did when young and inexperienced. It’s the game that is played, even though I am embarrassed to be associated with it. Just glad there are some who really want the good stuff and are willing to pay for it (if they can find it amid the mung).

  44. Sara June 5, 2010 at 2:53 pm #

    I admit when I first found Etsy I thought all the pendants on a chain were handmade pendants. I guess some are.

  45. Lizzy June 5, 2010 at 3:45 pm #

    WOW- I didn’t realize I had swirled up a shit storm posting this ring link.
    I honestly think she bought it from accessories susan the way it is. If she says she makes it herself or *bends* it then more power to her.
    Apparently this has come up before by her response?
    I will leave my personal thoughts on her shop to myself but I certainly not jealous…. or maybe I am? I mean it looks like fairly easy work and she does have a lot of sales. My stuff takes much longer to make so even though we are close in sales hers looks like pretty easy stuff compared to mine.

  46. detroit June 5, 2010 at 4:10 pm #

    jcjohn Says:
    June 5, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    what an interesting discussion…I’m curious, from the buyers perspective, is it handmade?
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    No.

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    Sara Says:
    June 5, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    I admit when I first found Etsy I thought all the pendants on a chain were handmade pendants. I guess some are.
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    I think a lot of people who buy stuff on Etsy don’t realize they’re getting cheap shit from China.

    A lot of people don’t buy ‘real’ handmade, because real handmade costs money.

    We’re so used to the prices of cheap shit from China, that reasonable jewelry prices seem exorbitant by comparison.

    And – by the way – it all ‘costs’ the same in the end. What you’re ‘saving’ by buying cheap shit from China IS being paid for by near slave labor, environmental destruction, social upheaval, etc, that all the factories in China are causing.

    Keep on getting your good deals y’all! It’s only hurting people that we’ll never know on the other side of the planet!

  47. detroit June 5, 2010 at 4:18 pm #

    Oh – Sara – I wasn’t referring to you specifically. A lot of people are used to excessively cheap prices – myself included. I just used your quote as a jumpoff.

    It’s called the externalization of costs. We pay $5 for a complicated piece of electronic equipment – like a radio. And think it’s normal. The real ‘cost’ is paid by the third world.

    We pay $10 (or much less) for a ring from Chinacherie. How much do your really think it would cost to source good fine metals. Cast / tool the rings. And add finish to them?

    A nice, REAL, handmade ring – we should be willing to pay the real costs. More like $80 to much, much more.

    Western people are used to WAY artificially depressed prices. That’s why our closets are bursting, and the environment is fucked.

    I thought Etsy stood for the opposite of that. Thought.

  48. toastycrackers June 5, 2010 at 4:19 pm #

    detroit, I agree that people really don’t know what they’re getting (as I stated from my own experience in post 39 above). A couple years ago I balked at having to pay $24 for a pair of earrings on Etsy. Imagine that! I was completely oblivious to what it takes to make a real handmade item, and brainwashed by the prices of mass market junk.

  49. kitten June 5, 2010 at 4:34 pm #

    Lizzy Says:

    WOW- I didn’t realize I had swirled up a shit storm posting this ring link.
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    Oh you, another jewelry maker posted the link? Hmmmm….

    I honestly think she bought it from accessories susan the way it is. If she says she makes it herself or *bends* it then more power to her.
    ________________

    And you know this how?

    Apparently this has come up before by her response?
    I will leave my personal thoughts on her shop to myself but I certainly not jealous…. or maybe I am? I mean it looks like fairly easy work and she does have a lot of sales. My stuff takes much longer to make so even though we are close in sales hers looks like pretty easy stuff compared to mine.

    ———————–

    At least you’re smart enough to realize you’re jealous.

    You have pretty even in sales? Chinacherie has 6488 now, link to your shop please?

    ======================

    I find it bizarre that other sellers are up in other sellers business. If chinacherie is breaking rules, fine, but apparently she isn’t.

    If you all are just jealous of her many, many sales, start selling the same thing, undercut her and put her out of business. Then you can be the seller whose shop is trashed here.

  50. Paperika June 5, 2010 at 4:51 pm #

    I agree with the others who say this post should be taken down. Chinacherie defended herself once more that she DOES handmake her stuff.

    I will keep m comments to myself about hand assembly as it is Etsy-legal. BUT, some of the comments about assembling commercially made products make me curious as to what you think about cardmakers. I am using all commercial supplies to make my cards. Do you see something wrong that? What about the people who work with fabric? Isn’t it basically the same thing as the jewelry people who “hand assemble” their jewelry? If I handmade the paper, the stamps, the ink, the markers, the adhesive, and all the embellishments, don’t you think the cost would go WAY up?

  51. toastycrackers June 5, 2010 at 4:52 pm #

    I just looked up my over 2 year old purchase of a ring identical to this (not from this seller), and their description made it seem as if bending it into a ring shape took some mighty effort, and that they actually did the detailing and antiquing of it. They also took pictures so as not to show the open back, and acted as if they would “resize” it if need be, even though in reality it’s an easily bendable, cheap ring.

    Then I took a look at the feedback and I wrote that it was “unique” even though I had been unhappy upon receiving it. However, I was still an idiot and DID think it was “unique.”

    Kitten, by the way, I don’t know why it has to be jealousy if people are just tired of ignorant buyers such as myself being duped by claims of “handmade” jewelry.

    I don’t think it’s a crime to sell this stuff, but it’s irritating that some sellers act like they do more than just piece components together. The high sales factor is only an issue because I’m sure many people don’t know what goes into making these items, and in return think all jewelry should be that cheap.

  52. Life During Wartime June 5, 2010 at 4:52 pm #

    detroit, yes I expect a precious metal unique handmade ring to be pricey. But you can make some nifty costume rings from that filigree base if you take the time and have some imagination. There are some cuties in quite a few shops if you look. I thought Etsy was about creativity at all price points…or Etsy was supposed to be about that, originally.

  53. eaten by a grue June 5, 2010 at 5:07 pm #

    Pussdaddy said:
    If this is not corrected by tomorrow then I will remove your link from my blog and all references pointing people here as my blog is all about such petty bullshit that people do to each other and I am not going to support anyone doing it.
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    Is my irony meter in dire need of calibrating?

  54. Dee June 5, 2010 at 5:15 pm #

    Toasty, I have bought those flat pieces in shiny new brass, cleaned the grease off them, antiqued them, polished them by hand, and a hammered them around a mandrel. I do try to resize them for buyers, so they don’t bend them out of shape resizing the ring themselves.

    It is too bad that you were unhappy with your purchase, it may even have been from me. I think most sellers accept returns, so next time look at their policies and return the item if you are unhappy.

  55. sick of cupcakes June 5, 2010 at 5:16 pm #

    kitten, we could all have seven thousand sales if we sold cheap junk.

  56. Lizzy June 5, 2010 at 5:17 pm #

    Kitten I think I said that if she bends the ring then more power to her. I accept her reasoning that she gave- do I believe it though?

    I could give you my shop link but what would be the fun in that?
    I can tell you I sell vintage,supplies and handmade though 🙂

    I was wrong I guess and stand corrected.

  57. uh-huh June 5, 2010 at 5:20 pm #

    “Jealousy” is a defense mechanism. The word is thrown anytime a criticism is brought up. What else can they say to anonymous people?

  58. JOINAA June 5, 2010 at 5:26 pm #

    if I sell 3,000 things for five bucks each, will I make any profit? Would it be fun? Would I get any satisfaction out of it? Would anyone else benefit or enjoy the result?
    Another rhetorical question. (NO!)

  59. JOINAA June 5, 2010 at 5:28 pm #

    Another thought: Is Life cheap? For some, it is, and those people are fungible to those who take advantage of them. The comment about the Bigger Picture is so right on.

  60. toastycrackers June 5, 2010 at 5:35 pm #

    Dee, I see your point. The person I bought from could have very well done the same thing. I guess the problem is that there is no way for me to know exactly what they did since so many people seem to exaggerate their part in the process of making things.

    I will have to say I didn’t know how filigree items are usually made and I thought I was getting a fine hand-carved item. So, I was a dummy, but as a buyer I should be able to be a dummy but still be able to find out exactly what it is that I’m really getting.

  61. Liz June 5, 2010 at 6:05 pm #

    I’m going to use an analogy:

    Person 1: Goes to the supermarket, buys some flour, yeast, eggs, sugar, butter, vanilla, icing sugar. They go home, mix it all together, put it in the oven, then make up some frosting, and decorate the cake.

    Person 2: Goes to a shop, buys a plain sponge cake and some pre-made frosting. They take it all home, and whack the pre-made icing on the pre-made cake.

    Which of the above 2 people made a cake? Both people bought their supplies from a shop, yet most people would have no problems saying that the first person made the cake, but the second person did not.

  62. Liz June 5, 2010 at 6:08 pm #

    toastycrackers: I had the same thing happen to me when I was a naive buyer. I assumed that what I was buying was a handmade set of earrings that was unique to that seller. I was disappointed to find out later that week that there were umpteen sellers selling virtually the same thing as they were all using the same charms from the same suppliers.

    I definitely felt like I’d been duped. I wouldn’t have minded so much if I’d known about it beforehand, but the description in the store was misleading enough to make me think the seller had designed the whole thing, charm included.

  63. stinkypants June 5, 2010 at 6:23 pm #

    I have yet to get my jewelry store up and running, and I am one of those people who do not make the materials I will be using, but even I cringe when I see the single piece of metal on a chain. It is usually not even vintage pieces, which might make it a bit more palatable.
    I envy those who forge and hammer and all that good stuff. I hope my jewelry will show that I am using a good deal of creativity. I have accumulated a large amount of vintage brass and beads.

    So someone forms a ring from filigree. OK. When I looked to see how much that filigree sets somebody back, and it is all of 36 cents, eeek.

    I have a link to an Etsy site that sure seems shady. Do I post it here?

    I have a

  64. mywriteathon.com June 5, 2010 at 7:17 pm #

    your posting is good, i’m interested your blog

  65. sick of cupcakes June 5, 2010 at 8:08 pm #

    I just want some cake now.

    Thanks Liz.

    😛

  66. Sandra June 5, 2010 at 8:10 pm #

    Not that it matters much, but I just found out that Chinacherie also has a vintage shop. http://www.etsy.com/shop/fincara

  67. Em June 5, 2010 at 8:17 pm #

    these are definitely NOT vintage. I know exactly who makes these here in the US.

    http://www.etsy.com/view_transaction.php?transaction_id=19331706

  68. Em June 5, 2010 at 8:18 pm #

    oh nevermind. they’re listed as supplies. i was ready to jump on that lol.

  69. Life During Wartime June 5, 2010 at 8:40 pm #

    LOL @ fincara!

    Vintage? Um…nope.

  70. Cat Power June 5, 2010 at 8:43 pm #

    That one may be, but this one is listed as Vintage, and I believe it is a repro….although it could be 20 years old, but kinda doubt it. So it is atleast a case of mistagging, perchance?

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/43683575/vintage-art-nouveau-brooch-brass-lady

  71. kitten June 5, 2010 at 8:46 pm #

    sick of cupcakes Says:

    kitten, we could all have seven thousand sales if we sold cheap junk.
    __________________________

    Oh I don’t know, what if it’s ugly junk?

    JOINAA Says:

    if I sell 3,000 things for five bucks each, will I make any profit? Would it be fun? Would I get any satisfaction out of it? Would anyone else benefit or enjoy the result?
    Another rhetorical question. (NO!)

    ________________________________

    Chinacherie has 6490 sales now – I browsed her first page for pricing, from $9 – $18. So let’s say each of her items are $10 (most are more) to keep it simple – she’s made $64,900.00 in 2.5 years (before her expenses). (hope that’s right)

    I checked her feedback – A LOT of glowing reviews! Packaged beautifully, better than expected, super fast shipping, I wear this necklace every day, the extras were a lovely surprise, etc..

    So why bash this seller? I am sure she works really hard just like you all say you do. You can’t get that many sales and GLOWING feedback by being a slacker.

    So her jewelry isn’t your cup of tea. A lot of people seem to like it – a sweet little piece that someone can treat themself to without breaking the bank. It reminds me of cute date night jewelry. I see her jewelry appealing to all ages, but especially to young girls and women who may not have a lot of money to blow on piece of jewelry.

  72. Life During Wartime June 5, 2010 at 8:53 pm #

    Cat Power, the question about the brooch in your link is:

    Is it handmade, or is it reseller?

    It isn’t vintage; it might be 90s (I mean NINETEEN 90s) at the earliest. The descriptions in fincara are not about vintage items. They are about the way the items were manufactured, finished and (some) embellished. That suggests mistagged handmade. It looks like the Supreme Marketing Goddess of Assembled Etsy Jewelry is workin’ the system to gain some TOU illegal visibility.

  73. PussDaddy June 5, 2010 at 11:36 pm #

    No I did not decide to keep on blogging which is why I didn’t bother removing her link. But when I do blog I just admit when I am wrong and move on so I have some credibility. I don’t stalk off in a huff and close down comments because the comments don’t kiss my ass.

  74. Hmmm June 5, 2010 at 11:51 pm #

    Etsy have no scruples, no integrity and no honour so why expect them to remove resellers and items that are not hand made or genuinely vintage? They are a business and every business is out to make money. Etsy unfortunately being at the “sharp end” have no inclination to make less money than they are now by removing “illegal” sellers. That is a fact of life and the more money they make the more of these sellers are going to be allowed through the net.

    As far as Etsy are concerned, if someone bulk buys something and then bulk buys boxes to put these items in and then ties a piece of string around the box that is hand made. We have all seen that flagging makes no impact.

    The integrity may have been there are the outset but now it is degenerating into eBay without auctions. Anything goes.

    It is so frustrating for sellers who hand make an item from start to finish seeing that item sit in their shop while other shops have items along the same lines but obviously not completely hand made but priced accordingly being sold in the hundreds.

    At the moment there are many more resellers than “assemblers” and to my mind these are the ones who need to be targetted first. Quite how to get Etsy to sit up and take notice is an impossible task though.

    China and Hong Kong having found Etsy are now flooding it and even if Etsy were prepared to act quickly and diligently they couldn’t keep up. The sad thing is that there are sellers from China and Hong Kong who are genuine sellers and are probably being tarred with the same brush.

  75. Sara June 5, 2010 at 11:56 pm #

    detroit, I agree completely. The cost of cheap stuff to fill our closets will be assessed eventually in the form of economic upheaval and reckoning.

    also, I can’t bake, but I don’t think you use yeast in a cake.

  76. of course June 6, 2010 at 5:42 am #

    those findings are about 10cents each when you buy by the gross.

    nice racket.

    I feel sorry for the buyers, it must be shocking when their kid pays a quarter for the same ring out of a bubble gum machine.

  77. of course June 6, 2010 at 5:53 am #

    We’re so used to the prices of cheap shit from China, that reasonable jewelry prices seem exorbitant by comparison.

    And – by the way – it all ‘costs’ the same in the end. What you’re ‘saving’ by buying cheap shit from China IS being paid for by near slave labor, environmental destruction, social upheaval, etc, that all the factories in China are causing.

    Keep on getting your good deals y’all! It’s only hurting people that we’ll never know on the other side of the planet!
    >>>

    it hurts us as well, whens the last time you heard of a recall of sterling and gold jewelry because of lead or other issues?

  78. of course June 6, 2010 at 6:11 am #

    http://www.fancifulsinc.com/

    here you go, lots of brass stuff to make your own handmade jewelry.

  79. JOINAA June 6, 2010 at 6:25 am #

    Seen this?
    http://www.craftmba.com/2010/01/19/etsy-and-the-culture-of-cheap/

  80. Life During Wartime June 6, 2010 at 9:16 am #

    I have long thought that many Etsy artisans who spend time designing a unique product and then make their own items charge too little for their work.

  81. detroit June 6, 2010 at 9:28 am #

    JOINAA – I liked that link. From her review:

    “The question then is, what’s the solution for those of us attempting to make a living wage on our products? We can’t compete on price. What are the alternative marketplaces, both online and off, for us? And most importantly, how can we go about building and educating a consumer base that understands and supports the prices we are charging?”

    Again – I thought that’s what Etsy was SUPPOSED to be – the alternative marketplace. That’s what was supposed to set it apart from the rest of the dreck out there. Add in all of Etsy’s earlier ramblings about ‘green’, and ‘upcycling’, the value of handmade over mass produced….

    Yes, Etsy is driven by money. But they seem to have gone against their whole original premise. IMO.

  82. sick of cupcakes June 6, 2010 at 9:42 am #

    Brooklyn is just not hip anymore. All about money now.

  83. Life During Wartime June 6, 2010 at 9:42 am #

    Heh…speaking of Etsy’s love for factory ‘handmade’, they put bluewitch in today’s Etsy finds. Someone at Etsy reads this blog and they are damn proud of what Etsy has become. Eff ’em!

  84. JK June 6, 2010 at 9:48 am #

    Oh, kitten. You do make me laugh, sweetcheeks! You really, really do.

    Liz, great analogy on the cakes; I’ve used that one myself before since most people would not consider the second one to be a cake someone made and I do feel it’s a fair comparison to charm-on-a-chain ‘handmade’. And to whoever asked it — yes, yeast sometimes is used in cakes! Rarely, but sometimes.

  85. JOINAA June 6, 2010 at 11:43 am #

    I say, Fuck the hipster doofuses. Give ’em another twenty years before ‘karma’ catches up with them — long after they have driven the concept right into the ground and the artisans along with it.
    Not me, baby. Etsy is just a link for me; if I sell something fine, but renew? You gotta be crazy or desperate. Fuck ’em, I say!

  86. etsycallout June 6, 2010 at 12:16 pm #

    Not sure why you are so upset. Nobody stalked off in a huff- we have a duplicate blog and we can use it when we please. I just don’t close down comments (some have been removed by WordPress, some posts have been closed for legal reasons) you can see plenty go through that are rude about the blog and us, the reason why I don’t post all of your hissy fit foulmouth rants about how wrong we are/ jealous blah blah were because never once did you read where it says “reader comment“. You get an idea and just charge ahead with the name calling. Editors of this blog did not bring forth chinacherie- it was from a reader and she has been commenting about her reasoning behind her post. Also you never noticed the word “editorial” in the tags which means noone is straight up saying reseller but posed a question and let others debate it. She was not wrong to bring up the question of chinacherie’s wording or lack there of- there was debate on who was right for both sides. Just because others believed the opposite as you does not mean it is wrong.

    I am not going to deal with your “remove the post or I’ll remove your link”. We get up to 1,000-9,000 unique visitors everyday, what makes you think your blog is our lifeline and you call the shots? “Etsy Call Out- Calling out blatant mistaggers, resellers, and other hot topics only if PUSSDADDY approves”. WTF?
    ———————————————————————————————————————————————————————-
    2010/06/05 at 11:36 pm
    Pussdaddy says:

    No I did not decide to keep on blogging which is why I didn’t bother removing her link. But when I do blog I just admit when I am wrong and move on so I have some credibility. I don’t stalk off in a huff and close down comments because the comments don’t kiss my ass.

  87. sick of cupcakes June 6, 2010 at 12:28 pm #

    I never even saw Pusdaddy’s blog, never knew of it’s existence. Don’t care to go there as she seems a bit hormonal.

  88. JOINAA June 6, 2010 at 1:03 pm #

    NIAGARA FALLS! Stay away from the edge or it will suck you under!

  89. chinacherie June 6, 2010 at 2:28 pm #

    i read all of your comments with great interest. so many false assumptions made about where i purchase my things (accessories susan? i buy 2 things from susan. i source from about 100 suppliers both here and abroad) — statements being made about “pre-made chain” etc. (I cut all of my chain from 330 foot spools – nothing is pre-made) with few exceptions, all designed to denigrate what i do. you all have your reasons and they are personal to you. why am i so fortunate to be the subject of this blog post? do you know how many sellers sell the same ring that i do? and how many of those sellers don’t even bother to bend the ring base around a mandrel? i could do some big time calling out here based on what i’ve seen on etsy. you may not like what i do and i respect that. but what i do is etsy legal and i do obey the rules. (why would anyone not obey the rules and possibly subject themselves to a witch hunt like this one started by “bluewitch?” it isn’t just about buying brass stampings and adding a chain. most of the brass stampings require the use of a dremel tool to drill holes. just try that for awhile and see how that goes for you. i injured my right eye at the beginning of this month with flying metal, and i cannot tell you how many pieces have had to be trashed because the holes don’t line up properly or i missed the mark. when you use things that weren’t necessarily meant to be used as pendants, you have to find a way to make them work. my success is based on my taste, style and vision. what pieces i select to use, the way i put things together, my ability to photograph things so that what i am offering is appealing. and yes, it involves timely shipping, safe and secure packaging in gift boxes with gift cards, gift wrap and ribbon when requested. and i remember my buyers with gifts, which they seem to appreciate. i am customer service oriented, friendly with my buyers and i give back to the community (i cannot begin to tell you how many other sellers i have offered my time and knowledge to when they were seeking advice about taking photos, looking for a particular bead cap or whatever they might need. i have formed good friendships with a number of etsy sellers and buyers. to be painted as if i was some pariah and to be used as an example for what is wrong with etsy just stinks. move on to someone else. want me to give you a list for some assemblers who are the worst offenders, mixing ready made things from well known suppliers and passing them off as handmade? hey, i get it. i’ve flagged these sellers myself because it is so blatant. but, i never saw myself as being in a position to be raked over the coals since i am doing nothing wrong. i have worked VERY hard to make the sales i have accumulated. i’ve been working at this for 2 1/2 years and you may be surprised to know that i have done virtually nothing to promote my online etsy shop. my explanation is as follows – a quote from the movie, “field of dreams,” if you build it, they will come. i put together something that people seem to like at price points that are affordable. i have a very young clientele and they are really happy that they can purchase an amour charm made with a chain cut to order for the length they require for perhaps $10.00. I do believe that some of you are highly pricipled and believe that etsy should not have assemblers as you like to call them, on the site. actually, i respect your thinking on that but, i don’t have to agree with it. i generate a lot of revenue for etsy. there are many top “assemblers” like myself who generate equally high fees for etsy. i doubt very much if they will change the rules and throw off half the sellers at this juncture. so, live and let live. you do your thing and i’ll do mine. i don’t seek to get in anyone’s way, i don’t want to make judgements about what other people do. out of a sense of fairness, why not share the wealth here. bring all of this negative publicity to a large group of sellers who actually do break the TOS on etsy. if you are a metalsmith and work in sterling and charge $80.00 for a necklace, chances are our audiences are very different.; i am no threat to you. my buyer is the college freshman who spends $12.00 for an otopus necklace because it’s cool and it is something she can afford. hopefully, these same buyers will enjoy their times and purchases made on etsy, and as their incomes rise they will make more expensive purchases from other sellers. to sum this up i would ask one thing. know what you are talking about before you say it and speak the truth and nothing less. to willingly and knowingly damage someone’s reputation is simply wrong and you have no idea what it feels like unless it is being done to you. and a simple thank you to those of you who have been fair and weren’t afraid to speak out in the midst of this heated discussion. None of you know me personally but you treat me as if I am some horrible person. I’ve cone nothing wrong, but “bluewitch” selected me for her blog topic – hey, lucky me. For all of you who are sellers, I hope that if anyone finds fault with your shops and what you do, that they contact you directly and ask any questions they may have to clear up any misunderstanding, instead of making you a target. And one more thing – the jewelry in my fincara shoip is left over from my brick and mortar shop which I owned in the 1980’s. I still have a lot of my inventory of vintage clothing in boxes in my sun room – when I came across some of the old jwelry, I listed it. I closed my shop in 1989 thus, it is not from the 90’s. This is directed at those who claim it is not cvintage and from the 90’s. You are wrong.

  90. my aching head June 6, 2010 at 2:39 pm #

    Too. Many. Words.

  91. etsycallout June 6, 2010 at 2:44 pm #

    HELP! We need severe paragraph formatting STAT!!

  92. eaten by a grue June 6, 2010 at 2:56 pm #

    chinacherie, bluewitch is the other shop being called out in this post, she is not someone who has posted here. No one seems interested in bluewitch here for some reason though, they would rather talk about you !

  93. Blue Kitty June 6, 2010 at 2:57 pm #

    Careful ECO – upset PussDaddy and your shop gets bought out and your negs pile up.

    Not a worry if you don’t sell except as a hobby and are having a “down-time” anyway but some of you who rely on Etsy for some income make sure you stay anonymous around her.

    She often accuses others of bullying – oh the irony.

  94. kitten June 6, 2010 at 3:02 pm #

    Blue Kitty Says:

    Careful ECO – upset PussDaddy and your shop gets bought out and your negs pile up.

    Not a worry if you don’t sell except as a hobby and are having a “down-time” anyway but some of you who rely on Etsy for some income make sure you stay anonymous around her.

    She often accuses others of bullying – oh the irony.
    _______________________________

    Jeeze Blue Kitty, this again? Let it go or take it to your blog.

    Pussdaddy has never bought out your shop or anyone elses.

    You’ve stated you’re old, act like it.

  95. Life During Wartime June 6, 2010 at 3:23 pm #

    Holy Moly, my eyeballs is bleedin’!!! ENTER key ENTER key please!

    chinacherie, “bluewitch” is the name of a ceramics factory in Thailand that has a bunch of Etsy shops, and they are being called out, not calling you out.

    I know I mentioned premade chain in a comment here, dunno about anyone else. What I said had zilcho to do with your jewelry. I want to know why supply shops cannot sell premade chains, but they can sell filigree rings like the ones you sell, which can be worn as is.

    If you owned a bricks and mortar shop selling vintage which you closed in 1989, were you selling the items now in Fincara as vintage in your shop? You say you ‘found’ them? If it was your shop, didn’t you know what was in it because you put it there yourself? How old was this jewelry in 1989?

    The item descriptions in Fincara actually give no idea as to the age of the items. Some of the sold Fincara items listed as vintage have the word ‘Victorian’ in the title. Are you claiming the pieces are antiques 100+ years old? Or?

  96. sick of cupcakes June 6, 2010 at 3:26 pm #

    Fincara’s stuff looks like new repros to me and by the description, there is nothing to dispute that.

  97. Life During Wartime June 6, 2010 at 3:27 pm #

    My comment 42 is about bluewitch.

  98. chinacherie June 6, 2010 at 4:08 pm #

    jewelry from my brick and mortar shop was NEW in the 1980’s. considered vintage by etsy now. found it? that was terminology to mean i opened a tote and didn’t realize it was in the bottom under a load of 1940’s suit jackets. i thought, why not sell it it is etsy legal by virtue of the age. it feels like everyone thinks that someone is commiting evil deeds when it was the last thing on my mind. reproduction jewelry? yes! reproduction jewelry made NEW in the 1980’s, purchased at boutique shows at the jacob javits center in NYC. pieces that sold for vastly more when new in my shop. much of my current jewelry is reproduction from old toolings that date back to the victorian era, deco, etc. no intention of suggesting any of it is in fact that old. victorian describes a style and an era. i wish i had one of you sitting her beside me and correcting me every time i do something that is not appropriate. perhaps i don’t think quite the way you do. i’m not looking to deceive thus, i don’t think long and hard about the way i phrase things. but someone else will look at it and read something into what i said or didn’t say. i’m sorry. i’m sorry you think my work is crap. i’m sorry you think i have no rights to sell on etsy. i’m sorry a thousand times over that i don’t know who bluewitch is and i accused blue witch of starting this thread. i don’t hang out here. i’ve only been here twice — both times when i was alerted to the fact that my shop was being discussed. i’m sorry i didn’t use paragraphs. forgive me. i feel like a worthless person after you are done with me. let me pick up what little self esteem i have left, brush myself off and go now.

  99. Life During Wartime June 6, 2010 at 4:32 pm #

    chinacherie, why list the jewelry you bought in the 80s when you can’t be bothered to tell your potential customers what they are buying? Selling vintage is all about the age and history of the items. Why charge less than what you paid for them? Why use only one photo when Etsy includes 5 in the listing fee? If you are just getting rid of old stuff cheap, like a destash, at least let buyers know what you told us here. Betcha the stuff gets all sold in a week!

  100. JK June 6, 2010 at 4:33 pm #

    Chinacherie, can any of your suppliers provide you with a return key to make some paragraphs? For all I know, you’re making worthwhile points but my eyes start to cross about halfway through.

  101. Etsy Person June 6, 2010 at 4:33 pm #

    I think that chinacherie has more than explained her shops and her actions. Would others have felt better if she had told how she found the 1980s findings in the descriptions? Maybe. Or maybe not. She has found her niche. Don’t be jealous, just realize you could be making a lot of sales as well if you found the right combination of ingredients (items, price, packaging etc). She seems to be quite legal in her items.

  102. Life During Wartime June 6, 2010 at 6:19 pm #

    You’re right. If you connect with the appropriate customer base, you’re selling a FEELING more than a provenanced vintage item, and facts don’t matter.

  103. chinacherie June 6, 2010 at 6:22 pm #

    life during wartime…if you were as busy as i am you might understand why i have not gone into great details about many things — also why i haven’t take 5 photos of each piece. i’m not about to go into my personal life here, but suffice it to say that my time is severely limited. i have sold a LOT of the vintage jewelry left over from my shop. i have more to list. does everyone listing vintage indicate the provenance and tell every detail about where something came from? some listings barely say anything, but i am held to some different ethic? as far as i was informed, all something had to be was 20 years or older to be vintage on etsy. the things in my destash and vintage shop are supplies or vintage, meeting the terms as established by etsy. it seems like no matter what i say or do, it wont be enough for most of you. there will always be more questions. i feel like this is the inquisition. go ahead, stone me in the streets — that would be a lot less painful than this has been. i have dutifully come out here to defend my reputation and to explain things to all of you. some understand and i am grateful for that. others just want to drag this on indefinitely. you want me to take a lie detector test? you want me to take an oath written in my blood? that is what this feels like. report me to etsy if you feel you have reason to do so. i really don’t know what else to tell you at this point. apparently you see me as a danger to all sellers on etsy — and to buyers alike. you think i am charging exorbitant prices for “crap” as it’s been called. you seem to think i have no scruples. what else? am i a baby killer? am i mean to old ladies at bus stops. please. if the tables were turned, maybe you would get it.

  104. PussDaddy June 6, 2010 at 6:45 pm #

    sick of cupcakes Says:
    June 6, 2010 at 12:28 pm
    I never even saw Pusdaddy’s blog, never knew of it’s existence. Don’t care to go there as she seems a bit hormonal.

    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
    You are a bit whore moanal too.

    Keep running your mouth bluekitty. You came looking for trouble and found it. I don’t know a damn thing about your shop being negged nor do I care much. I did have the kindness tho to remove my own blog post that made it appear as though I was mad and vindictive so that you can go about as a seller relatively unaccosted from now on. You however are still blabbing away.

  105. seriously June 6, 2010 at 6:45 pm #

    If you are taking the time to read all of the posts and respond, you surely have time to hit the shift key and enter.

  106. Life During Wartime June 6, 2010 at 8:12 pm #

    chinacherie, you are attributing to me things I never posted about or to you in a comment.

    Etsy enforces no standards in regard to vintage listings. You might want to visit Garagetsy blog and see for yourself.

    You don’t have to write hundreds of words in a listing description (without every hitting ENTER to make a paragraph LOL). Many vintage sellers would consider something like “Purchased (whenever) as inventory for my boutique, closed in 1989” all that is required, maybe with one additional photo showing the back of the item. Easy peasy, factual and to the point.

  107. ADC June 7, 2010 at 12:42 am #

    Some people are shitty readers if they can’t read Chinacheries posts. Maybe instead of putting in the effort to call out etsy legal sellers and moan about their writing style you should get your reading levels up.

    Chinacherie I hope your shops success is not affected by this outlandish blog post. I can only dream of my store having the sales yours does and being able to purchase 300+ft spools of chain! I only get 5ft ones =) Ignore the jealous people and keep up the hard work! *hug*

  108. Stephica June 7, 2010 at 1:03 am #

    @chinacherie

    A couple friendly tips from a mechanically inclined nerd:

    1. Dremel tools are not the best tool for drilling, especially metal. It’s really hard to line up holes and it’s a high speed low torque tool that is ideally used for cutting, sanding and grinding. For drilling you want something with a lower speed, because not only will you be damaging your drill bits and ruining your project with poorly aligned holes, all that speed is what’s throwing those metal bits all over the place. Get yourself a drill press; it will make your life a lot easier.

    2. Wear protective eyewear. I picked up a pair of safety glasses for $2.00 at the swap meet. Please do not risk your eyes. Please. I am begging you.

  109. sick of cupcakes June 7, 2010 at 5:25 am #

    Oh yes ADC…you have figured me out. I am too lazy to read long rambling incoherent posts, and I am jealous, oh so jealous.

  110. MadeByM**** June 7, 2010 at 6:07 am #

    If you don’t agree with the “call-out”, then click on the next one, just like you do when watching TV….if you don’t like a particular show, move on. Sometimes there are people that wonder if it’s handmade or not, Etsy legal or not. This is a place to discuss it.

  111. ADC June 7, 2010 at 6:13 am #

    How coherant do you think you’d be if your shop had just been dragged through the mud and picked apart by complete strangers? Do you think grammer would at the top of your list of importance? I know it wouldn’t be on mine. I’d be so upset I’d write a long solid text to get all the words out as fast as possible before I cried.

    You’ve put the time and effort in to slag her shop off and call her work “junk” so why not put the same effort into reading her replies and answers to your questions? Or is this not a place to discussion and just a place for vultures to pick over their meal?

  112. JK June 7, 2010 at 6:35 am #

    ADC, in that situation I would want to appear as professional and be taken as seriously as possible, so yeah — grammar, spelling and punctuation all the way. It’s a great tool for coming across as something more than a rambling, incoherent mess.

  113. Em June 7, 2010 at 6:57 am #

    Off-topic, but I don’t get why people think grammar and spelling can slide when the writer is emotionally compromised or if their shop has been “dragged through the mud.” Is it really that hard to hit the period and shift keys?

    Not trying to criticize chinacherie for her example, but people use this excuse all the time and I think they’re just trying to make us feel sorry for “being mean.”

    “I’m soooo distraught over you picking on me that I can’t even make paragraphs anymore! See what you’ve done to me?”

  114. sick of cupcakes June 7, 2010 at 7:02 am #

    I don’t leave my shop open to criticism by not describing my items accurately. There is no question that my items are indeed handmade.

  115. Etsy Person June 7, 2010 at 8:43 am #

    You’re right. If you connect with the appropriate customer base, you’re selling a FEELING more than a provenanced vintage item, and facts don’t matter.
    _______
    She explained everything. Her items seem to be vintage if they are from the 1980s as she says. Those are the “facts” not a “feeling”.

  116. MadeByM**** June 7, 2010 at 8:51 am #

    When you open yourself up to the “public”, be it as a celebrityor an athlete or something less obvious like selling your “creations” on-line, people are going to critique, examine and question what you do. There will be people that love your stuff and there will be people that dislike or hate your stuff. Sometimes it is hard to figure out why someone/something is popular and why others aren’t.

    There’s a large group of people on Etsy that put a lot of time and effort and creativity into making “HANDCRAFTED” items. We all have different opinions about what should be and should not be allowed on Etsy. We don’t have much say so in that it seems. Etsy is broadening their horizons, like it or not. Is it fair for someone to take something and barely “alter” it and label it as handmade? Is it fair for someone to take a commercially produced, ready to wear chain and add a single commercially produced charm on it and say it’s handmade? In my opinion, no, but they are allowed on Etsy. Is it fair for people to mis-tag or falsely describe their items? No it’s NOT! But until Etsy decides to rub the dollar signs out of their eyes and enforce their OWN rules, it’s going to keep on happening. There will always be those that will bend the rules or push the boundaries to make it work for them, even if it’s not ethical.

    All I can do is do my research before I buy to make sure it really is handmade (or true vintage) and make sure I’m doing the right thing in my shop. Etsy isn’t worth the headache or high blood pressure anymore.

  117. MadeByM**** June 7, 2010 at 8:59 am #

    I believe the issue with the shop in question is that full disclosure is not there. It’s easy to distract from what it really is by having descriptions that are too flowery or embellished.

  118. jcjohn June 7, 2010 at 9:07 am #

    Wow. Don’t really even know what to say about how this has taken an ugly turn.

    Chinacherie’s success is due to having a customer base that she appeals to. What she is selling is what her customers want. Can I call it handmade? Hmmmm, that’s tough because, like it or not, I would always be comparing it to what I make– wire-wrapped bracelets, necklaces, etc, designs that I have to come up with. (Incidentally, I have very, very few etsy sales.) But, in the final analysis, she is “etsy-legal”. It appears, that’s what counts.

    As far as discussion goes, it would be great to have this discussion without hurting anyone in particular.

  119. Life During Wartime June 7, 2010 at 9:24 am #

    Etsy Person says:
    She explained everything. Her items seem to be vintage if they are from the 1980s as she says. Those are the “facts” not a “feeling”.
    ———————
    ECO blog comments are not the Fincara shop. There is nothing about the items sold in Fincara that tell me they are vintage. In fact, very similar findings are used in the chinacherie shop for handmade items. If I see two shops owned by the same seller, one has a stamping made into a pendant (listed as handmade) and one has the same stamping in a different metal finish made into a brooch (listed as vintage) listed within days of each other…what should I think, considering the item descriptions for both are very similar? What are the “facts” really? The listings, or some rambling comments to a blog?

    The shop announcement for Fincara is an advertisement for the chinacherie shop, not information about the “vintage” items in Fincara.

  120. marn June 7, 2010 at 10:10 am #

    also bluewitch/madame pomm?

    http://www.hampertown.com/shop/handmade-mugs/cat_34.html

  121. detroit June 7, 2010 at 10:27 am #

    jcjohn Says:
    June 7, 2010 at 9:07 am

    Chinacherie’s success is due to having a customer base that she appeals to. What she is selling is what her customers want. Can I call it handmade? Hmmmm, that’s tough because, like it or not, I would always be comparing it to what I make– wire-wrapped bracelets, necklaces, etc, designs that I have to come up with.
    *************************************************************

    The issue here is that many buyers believe that such items are indeed handmade. They don’t realize they’re buying premade factory items, with little to no assembly.

    And the flowery, misleading descriptions of the items certainly don’t disabuse the buyers of their incorrect assumption. In fact, they encourage it.

    I kinda have an issue with that.

    As several have stated above, when they were newer to Etsy, they thought the charms they bought were actually MADE by the seller.

    I think a lot of sellers KNOWINGLY coast on that misunderstanding.

  122. JK June 7, 2010 at 10:54 am #

    I think you’re right, Detroit — most buyers likely think they’re getting something handmade by the seller from raw supplies, not two commercial pieces assembled into one. It must be a real disappointment to find out they were wrong, and I wonder how many of them continue to buy on Etsy once they’ve figured it out.

  123. jcjohn June 7, 2010 at 11:56 am #

    JK & detroit, I understand what you are saying to a degree. Chinacherie’s customers must understand what they are getting because I’m sure she has much repeat business. Besides, if her typical customer base is the young college crowd, do they really, really care? The college crowd probably wants what they want as cheap as they can get it. They are most likely not interested in the handmade movement, etc. I heard a comment on Red Eye that a recent study indicated that most college age people feel very little compassion for anyone else. That doesn’t describe a group of people who are going to worry about mass production, overseas, slave labor products, etc.

  124. MadeByM**** June 8, 2010 at 6:59 am #

    jcjohn……..I agree with you……she has found her demographic / market to sell to. I’ve mentioned before when a reseller of prom dresses or cheap mass produced jewelry shows up on Etsy and they get sales, it’s because a high school girl has found what she wanted and buys it….she doesn’t care if it was from a handcrafted site or not. So, even though we tend to think many of these buyers are getting duped, I don’t think many care. They are buying stuff cause it’s what they want at the price they want to pay. They are not concerned about what the site is supposed to be selling.

  125. Blue Kitty June 8, 2010 at 8:28 am #

    MadebyM, good point. Looking on the bright side they might return and discover the totally handmade items especially when they begin earning and have some money and their tastes have changed.

  126. MadeByM**** June 8, 2010 at 10:08 am #

    Good point, Blue Kitty! Even bad or negative publicity is still publicity!

  127. kitten June 8, 2010 at 5:44 pm #

    MadeByM**** Says:

    There’s a large group of people on Etsy that put a lot of time and effort and creativity into making “HANDCRAFTED” items. We all have different opinions about what should be and should not be allowed on Etsy. We don’t have much say so in that it seems. Etsy is broadening their horizons, like it or not. Is it fair for someone to take something and barely “alter” it and label it as handmade? Is it fair for someone to take a commercially produced, ready to wear chain and add a single commercially produced charm on it and say it’s handmade? In my opinion, no, but they are allowed on Etsy. Is it fair for people to mis-tag or falsely describe their items? No it’s NOT! But until Etsy decides to rub the dollar signs out of their eyes and enforce their OWN rules, it’s going to keep on happening. There will always be those that will bend the rules or push the boundaries to make it work for them, even if it’s not ethical.

    All I can do is do my research before I buy to make sure it really is handmade (or true vintage) and make sure I’m doing the right thing in my shop. Etsy isn’t worth the headache or high blood pressure anymore.
    _________________________________________________

    Ok, your post is confusing. You outed yourself in a previous topic a few months back.

    I just checked your shop. Your main item is premade charms attached to ribbons and such. You call them bookmarks and rearview mirror jewelry, lol.

    Why are you ragging on chinacherie?

  128. MadeByM**** June 9, 2010 at 6:45 am #

    Yeah, I do hang a charm on a ribbon, but I also wire wrap the beads myself. Yeah, it’s one of my easier things I make……but there’s a little more creativity to it than taking one single charm and sticking it on a chain. My 3 year old grandson could do that. But, what is your point of calling me out? I work with many mediums! You have no idea what else I make or can make. I just don’ t have them all up on Etsy because Etsy is not what I thought it was!

    The point I was trying to make is that we all have different opinions on what should be considered handmade on Etsy. And that it doesn’t matter what we think because Etsy is going to do what Etsy wants to do.

    And where was I ragging on chinacherie? The only GENERAL complaint I made was the fact that people over-embellish their descriptions instead of stating the real facts about them……I don’t care if the Queens of Whatever wore this in the days of old in the Fairyland of Dandelions………I want to know if you made it from scratch with what materials and techniques and what size it is, etc. When you avoid revealing this info, it tends to make me suspicious………..

  129. PussDaddy June 10, 2010 at 5:50 am #

    Too fucking funny.

    PussDaddy

  130. JOINAA June 10, 2010 at 12:56 pm #

    She’s whining in the forums about it. Neg pub = good pub

    shit on a shingle.

  131. Life During Wartime June 10, 2010 at 1:26 pm #

    Just saw it. Here’s the link:

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6544585

    Funny she has time to waste on a public whine session, but suggesting she should add some facts to her Fincara listings was asking too much. From comment 103 above “if you were as busy as i am you might understand why i have not gone into great details about many things — also why i haven’t take 5 photos of each piece. i’m not about to go into my personal life here, but suffice it to say that my time is severely limited.”

    I call horse hockey.

  132. Cosmic Yuk June 10, 2010 at 1:53 pm #

    I give a lot of credit to chinacherie for coming in here to defend herself, knowing it probably wouldn’t make a difference to those who have made up their minds about her shop.

    I know for myself, it isn’t one particular seller of assembled jewelry, it’s more the blurring of the line that defines handmade on Etsy.

    When is the assemblage of commercial components NOT considered handmade? Right now I can find a dozen sellers that have assembled commercial pandora (or pandora-like) beads on a commercial pandora (or pandora=like) bracelet chain and it is considered handmade jewelry.

    I think Chinacherie was just the whipping boy for all the frustration sellers feel regarding Etsy’s definition of handmade.

    In all fairness, I really think this post should be removed. She’s not a reseller, and only one of her items is questionable (the ring) with a plausible explanation, otherwise she is Etsy legal. Let’s not confuse the issues we have with Etsy regarding handmade with a seller who is abiding by the rules.

  133. JOINAA June 10, 2010 at 1:58 pm #

    I call it bullshit. She’s welcome to sell cheap to those who are looking for cheap That’s what I call competing with WalMart, so fine.

    I don’t compete with WalMart, and don’t buy things that do. Why bother? But then again, although I was a college student I was never that DUM-B.

  134. Em June 10, 2010 at 2:19 pm #

    this entry would have faded into oblivion had she not made a spectacle of herself in the forums. Now they’re all saying it should be taken down because people can easily find it. Yeah, they can easily find it because she’s crying about it to everyone!

  135. Um. June 10, 2010 at 3:10 pm #

    http://drglaw.blogspot.com/2009/01/yes-bloggers-can-be-sued.html

    This blog has pointed to many resellers over the last couple of years, BUT there have also been times that there has been questionable remarks on here. Nothing may have come out of it now (I know you guys also have a blogspot) but I would be careful to monitor what you write and what you allow your commenters to write, since you can be held liable if you were to be sued. WordPress and Blogspot would not be but you would be. I think as a blog you have kinda sidetracked what you guys were really wanting to do when you first started. Controlling the resellers that have pitched up tent on ETSY and have profited and outed many real handmade shops.

    Not saying you will be sued, are going to be sued…
    Just hoping you will consider that before posting accusations that may or may not be true. Perhaps a little more research before posting. Contacting the seller on ETSY, and please censor some of the comments. You dont want to be held liable if their comments weren’t true.

  136. Penny June 10, 2010 at 3:14 pm #

    Resellers & tiny shops on Etsy that we call out do not have the $$ to afford to sue someone. It’s just an empty threat people use to throw around to scare people.

  137. Sara June 10, 2010 at 3:38 pm #

    I’m pretty sure you can’t be sued for posting an opinion about someone. If you were deliberately lying about her shop in order to reduce her business, that would be one thing. But just saying, “I hate this stuff” or “Assembled isn’t really handmade” or “This looks like something I found on a wholesale website” doesn’t make libel.

  138. freda June 10, 2010 at 4:08 pm #

    Why post on the forums and call more attention to this since she is so upset already? Its the same kind of thing when someone posts one of those i’m leaving threads isn’t it? So other sellers will give hugs and say how wonderful they are. Her shop is so successful did she really need the boost?

  139. uh-huh June 10, 2010 at 4:14 pm #

    It’s a promo thread.

  140. Life During Wartime June 10, 2010 at 4:25 pm #

    Chinacherie herself tried to establish (above) that discussion of her shop in the comments was similar to making untrue hateful comments about her personally. Which it is not. No one said she wasn’t good to do business with. She doesn’t feel the need to take more than one photo or bother telling shoppers much of anything about making her jewelry (or the provenance of her vintage). Commenting about that isn’t slander — her shops tell the story.

  141. wtf June 10, 2010 at 5:57 pm #

    Why do you – anybody – feel compelled to bash anybody’s shop? It’s none of your business. She’s reaching a completely different target audience than you are, with your jewelry “made from scratch”. Her jewelry is just that – jewelry. Whether you choose to be derogatory about it or not. The average person on the street does not have the know-how to make what she makes. Who are you to say ANYTHING about her – or anybody else’s – shop. You are not God, or the Etsy police or anything else.

    I’ll be reporting you to wordpress.

  142. Stephica June 10, 2010 at 5:59 pm #

    I hope really shop Chinacherie read my advice and isn’t still destroying her eyes by using a Dremel tool to drill metal.

  143. JOINAA June 10, 2010 at 7:30 pm #

    Tempest in a teapot. Try suing: you’ll be out of at least $300 for a consultation that will show that there is no basis for a lawsuit.

    Promo promo promo– tough shit if you can’t handle it, china

  144. JOINAA June 10, 2010 at 7:33 pm #

    I disagree– no credit to someone who loses their cool. the professional way to handle it is to let it die and ignore it.

  145. ashes June 10, 2010 at 7:37 pm #

    jcjohn – “Besides, if her typical customer base is the young college crowd, do they really, really care? The college crowd probably wants what they want as cheap as they can get it. They are most likely not interested in the handmade movement, etc. I heard a comment on Red Eye that a recent study indicated that most college age people feel very little compassion for anyone else. That doesn’t describe a group of people who are going to worry about mass production, overseas, slave labor products, etc.”

    —————————-

    WOW. Not only are you criticizing an ‘Etsy legal’ shop but her customer base too??

    You pretty much have us 20 somethings pegged eh? Not only are we IN SCHOOL (not begging on the streets), TRYING to get an education, we have to pay continually rising tuition fees and books – so sorry we need things “as cheap as we can get it”, we just want to treat ourselves to a little something without breaking the bank – No compassion for anyone else and not caring about mass production?? We’re trying to UNDO the years of damage that our previous generations have done to the environment. Don’t underestimate the “college crowd”, we’re more educated and aware of these socioeconomic issues than you think.

    Congrats for offending an entire generation – the ones that will be taking care of you when you’re old and gray.

  146. Sara June 10, 2010 at 7:45 pm #

    I know how to put a pendant on a chain (not that China only does that, but of course it’s hard to know). I didn’t know that some Etsy shops consisted of putting a pendant on a chain when I first started shopping here.

    I am 20-something. I am poorish. I like cheap. But I also like to know what I am getting for my money, and to support handmade.

  147. Life During Wartime June 10, 2010 at 9:46 pm #

    Hey, I’m a frugal old lady. I would buy a necklace from chinacherie if
    1) I didn’t still have my charms and chain jewelry from the 1970s (they’re sterling silver, too, because back then silver was affordable for students with a PT job).
    and
    2) I wasn’t an antiques dealer with my own personal stash of vintage bits and bobs to use as pendants or rework into my own jewelry.

    I would have gone wild for her Egyptian revival pieces when I was 20ish. I would have put one of those necklaces on and felt like I was going out to smoke opium with Aleister Crowley!

  148. of course June 11, 2010 at 12:09 pm #

    Congrats for offending an entire generation – the ones that will be taking care of you when you’re old and gray.>>>

    probably not since you have no compassion! lol

  149. of course June 11, 2010 at 1:46 pm #

    holy moly, gardenbugdesigns has 13 stores! LOL and more that she is supposedly ‘shutting down’. No wonder new sellers cant find any decent user names, she’s monopolizing them.

    btw, I flagged her weeks ago for not divulging the jewelry store she had but I had no idea she had that many split personalities.

  150. jcjohn June 11, 2010 at 5:12 pm #

    @ashes comment #145:

    If you notice my comments above, you will see that I draw attention to what I feel is a strength of Chinacherie, she markets to her specific audience. She knows what they want and she creates it. My comments on the audience, well, I believe there is a basis for truth in them.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2010/05/college-students-less-empathy-study.html

    Yes, you may be caring for me, when I’m “old and gray”, because, hopefully, by then, you will have developed the kind of compassion that is possible to cultivate after having accumulated and learned from a wealth of life experiences and relationships. I don’t know of many young people, 20-something’s, that have the ability to feel a profound depth of compassion for the individual suffering or altered life experiences of others. Perhaps you are unique among them.

  151. Sara June 11, 2010 at 9:05 pm #

    20 year olds are not the ones putting their parents in nursing homes instead of taking care of them. We are not running the country into the ground.

  152. uh-huh June 12, 2010 at 5:17 am #

    I hope my grandkids won’t be too busy texting each other to wipe my ass.

  153. jcjohn June 12, 2010 at 7:06 am #

    It’s not enough to say what the college crowd are NOT doing. I am 40 years old. what does compassion prompt one to do? Help others. Feel or imagine what another might feel. Understand that there is pain and suffering, even when one cannot grasp the totality of it personally, even when it is not happening to you. Focus on the rights of others, even when doing so might “infringe” on one’s own “rights”. Compassion, to my way of thinking, is as much a “doing” word as a “feeling” word. For the most part, people in general, regardless of age, can be so self-centered, it’s actually scary. Youth, in particular, can be prone to this, since from birth, they have almost everything provided for them. As is should be, of course. However, somewhere along the line, a person needs to start making a transition from a self-absorbed recipient, to a compassionate giver. That takes time, experience, etc.

    You know, though, in the grand scheme of things, these are just my thoughts.

  154. itsybitsy June 12, 2010 at 1:35 pm #

    Sara Says:
    June 11, 2010 at 9:05 pm
    20 year olds are not the ones putting their parents in nursing homes instead of taking care of them.
    >>>

    I would hope not since statistically speaking most parents of a 20 year old would only be in the 40-50 age range, I don’t think we’re that decrepit yet…lol

  155. JOINAA June 12, 2010 at 3:41 pm #

    Is this getting all personal and shit again? Time to let this whole piece GO

  156. ashes June 12, 2010 at 10:43 pm #

    @jcjohn comment #150:
    I can see what the LA times article is trying to get at, but it definitely isn’t true for all – I very much agree that us 20 somethings still have a lot to learn in terms of life experiences to mature with the depth of compassion that you speak of, but hey we’re working our way towards that – I didn’t mean to snap at you earlier, the post just rubbed me the wrong way

    as for @of course comment #148:
    real mature.. what a useless and unproductive comment

  157. MadeByM**** June 13, 2010 at 4:34 am #

    LOL….controversial comments in the forums do get you more views, according to my GA (I had a high number for the day I posted in her thread)! So, when you go in there to whine about someone is picking on me, I bet you her views jumped up quite a bit! And then, with her getting questioned here, she received even more. Just like on Regretsy……people cry they’ve been featured, but I can guarantee you they love the number of views!

    Just like my BIL says, who had a famous radio talk show…..bad publicity is still publicity! It gets the numbers/ratings up!

  158. uh-huh June 13, 2010 at 6:07 am #

    Starting a thread for some “omg they’re so mean and jealous (((((((hugs)))))))) to you” ego stroking and promotional mileage, not bad.
    Mebbe I’ll start a poor me thread today, too, I could use a little ego stroking lately.

  159. MadeByM**** June 13, 2010 at 7:00 am #

    I could use it, too, uh-huh!

  160. NotWhatItSeems July 2, 2010 at 9:15 am #

    I went to Chinacherie ‘s store and thought she was very talented in making what she sells in her store as that is how it came off being it is a hand-made selling site. I saw the massive numbers of listings and thought she may have a lot of help making these items. I did a search and find this. I want hand-made items and want to know if it is not fully hand-made. I feel deceived if not and then won’t shop on a site knowing they have such sellers. Etsy needs to do something about this. I am a shopper, so that is all I really care about….

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