mikisknits

8 Jun

Speaking of crochet…

This whole shop:

http://www.etsy.com/shop/mikisknits

Is in this whole shop:

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/201129

Can’t tell how long the China factory has had items for sale. Who came first?

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88 Responses to “mikisknits”

  1. Life During Wartime June 8, 2010 at 9:29 am #

    The aliexpress store has been there since March 2010. The Chinese business started in 2009, according to their profile on the website. The owner says her employees have 8 years experience making this kind of item.

    mikisknits uses the same photos — and even the same descriptions — as the Chinese store. And mikisknits charges almost 3 times the amount per item as the Chinese store.

    So, I guess according to cupcakette logic, the Chinese are copying mikisknits?

  2. MadeByM**** June 8, 2010 at 10:23 am #

    Weird that one of the Etsy shops that bought from them also sells similar items…………..Why do I behave?

  3. Lu June 8, 2010 at 10:32 am #

    hmmm reseller? of crochet items? why do I keep wasting my wrists away? I should be smarter I guess

  4. it stinks June 8, 2010 at 10:45 am #

    Now see, I’m not a crocheted or knitter. So if I had gone to that shop, I would have totally thought all that stuff was handmade.
    That’s just sad.

  5. it stinks June 8, 2010 at 10:47 am #

    I wish that etsy had a dis-heart feature so that we could dis-heart shops that we find out to be resellers, etc. It’s getting pretty hard to keep a mental list of etsy shops not to buy from.

  6. sick of cupcakes June 8, 2010 at 10:48 am #

    Alot of those items on the wholesale site are familiar. I wonder how many other cheaters there are!

  7. Life During Wartime June 8, 2010 at 11:09 am #

    Same here, It Stinks. I have no idea how to knit or crochet, but the items in mikisknits look like things that could be handmade by the seller. The thing that convinced me was the ladybug embellishment on the drawstring bag. A Chinese factory with skilled workers could copy crocheted items, but a handmade shop that used little embellishments (beads, bows, maybe vintage bits and bobs — each item unique) wouldn’t be so easy to copy exactly. If the embellishments are the same, than the factory store is the wholesaler, and the Etsy shop must be a reseller.

    The scope of the reseller problem on Etsy is much much bigger than even I would have guessed.

    Depressing, really.

  8. Cat Power June 8, 2010 at 11:18 am #

    the word knit is in the shop name, but everything is crochet……
    HELLO????

    and the buyer with the 14 pages of listings, looks very similar to the wholesaler…of course she could have just seen those and made all of hers herself, but one does wonder, doesn’t one?
    especially since they are so similar.

    But I’m really a cynic at heart, so who am I to say.

  9. MadeByM**** June 8, 2010 at 12:26 pm #

    Cat Power………the backgrounds are the same in the photos…..

  10. MadeByM**** June 8, 2010 at 12:33 pm #

    “***Each item is one of kind handmade. Please allow two to three days before I can ship the item. ”

    Right……….though I’ve never crocheted anything, can you really make a 15″ by 9″ totebag in 2 days? Doubt it……

    Oh, yeah, there’s the “one of kind handmade” proclamation of English-is-not-your-first-language resellers!

  11. sick of cupcakes June 8, 2010 at 12:36 pm #

    I could actually crochet a bag that fast, but obviously she isn’t doing the work. Just too lazy to mail the crap out as soon as it sells, I’m guessing.

  12. MadeByM**** June 8, 2010 at 12:50 pm #

    Well, I supposed an experienced person could, but what if she gets a couple of orders once a day for a few days……she can’t possible get them done and mailed out in 2 to 3 days I would think!

  13. sick of cupcakes June 8, 2010 at 1:32 pm #

    She apparently doesn’t have to! 😛

    No, I could make one in a couple days if I had to. Not more than that.

  14. etsycallout June 8, 2010 at 4:52 pm #

    it stinks- you could always use our “search” if you see a questionable shop.

  15. detroit June 8, 2010 at 6:10 pm #

    sick of cupcakes Says:
    June 8, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    I could actually crochet a bag that fast, but obviously she isn’t doing the work.
    ______________________________

    But, would you crochet your fingers off for an entire day for $17?

    I think she’s mentioning the day or two lag time to give the impression she’s crocheting (I mean, knitting) something.

    Or, he.

  16. Jackie June 8, 2010 at 6:43 pm #

    I sell crocheted items on etsy, so I’m quite familiar with what the other crocheters sell. I just spent 45 minutes looking at all the pics on the aliexpress store (store 201129) and recognize many from quite a few different etsy sellers. I do not believe for one moment that any of these sellers are resellers. I believe that store # 201129 has stolen pics from these etsy sellers. This happened on ebay two years ago and involved many, many etsy sellers. I do not think mikisknits is a reseller.

    Should I notify all these sellers of what is on the alexiexpress site?

  17. Jackie June 8, 2010 at 6:48 pm #

    This is a picture from the alexiapress site. Bottom right hand corner of the pic has the etsy seller’s name.
    http://www.aliexpress.com/store/201129/209900926-297150704/Handmade-children-s-hats.html

  18. justsayit June 8, 2010 at 7:15 pm #

    It stinks says:
    “Now see, I’m not a crocheted or knitter. So if I had gone to that shop, I would have totally thought all that stuff was handmade.
    That’s just sad.”

    It is handmade, just maybe not by the seller. Crochet has to be handmade.

    Is the 2-3 day delay because the order has to placed or possibly a dropship arranged.

  19. it stinks June 8, 2010 at 7:23 pm #

    I honestly don’t know anything about crocheting or knitting and I have NO idea what the difference is between the two.

    Justsayit, what do you mean about crochet has to be handmade? Are there industrial machines that do it? (I’m not being sarcastic or anything – I really don’t know)
    I’ve seen crocheted? doilies at Walmart and places like that and I’ve always assumed there are machines that make that stuff. Does it all have to be hand crocheted by millions of little slave children?

    If the doilies could be made by machines, then couldn’t this other stuff?

  20. becky June 8, 2010 at 7:56 pm #

    The photo that Jackie linked to has a lilyknitting.com watermark. lilyknitting sells crochet pattern pdfs on ebay.

  21. shopper June 8, 2010 at 9:03 pm #

    this place is getting so complicated!

    i’ve started googling all the sellers before i buy from them, and running their photos through that tinyeye site that checks if the photos are on wholesale sites.

  22. JohnCock June 9, 2010 at 3:09 am #

    Crochet cannot be done by machine like knitting can.

  23. JohnCock June 9, 2010 at 3:11 am #

    For your consideration:

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/daixiaole

  24. JohnCock June 9, 2010 at 3:15 am #

    And another:

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/rtaguba

  25. justsayit June 9, 2010 at 4:15 am #

    It stinks, crochet has to be done by hand. There are some machine processes that resemble crochet…sort of to someone who may not be familiar with the look of various stitch techniques.

    I have not looked at the doilies in WalMart, but yes there is a third world piece-workcottage industry that produces crochet for far less than a person in the US could do it for. The workers are often children or started as children.

    Sometimes the materials used are not like anything the crafter here in the US has available. Looking at the prices on the wholesale site mentioned here, I don’t see how someone in the US could compete on the cost of material let alone the labor.

  26. it stinks June 9, 2010 at 7:15 am #

    Thanks justsayit. I don’t know if the doilies at Walmart (you can also buy those at the Dollar store) are knitted or crocheted but I’m sure they use 3rd world countries to make them anyway.

    johncock, I flagged rtaguba. THat daixiale shop is just a mess. What in the world is all that crap?

  27. it stinks June 9, 2010 at 7:17 am #

    These are Vintage handmade shoes from 1980’s but description says they’re new and you can choose the materials used, color and size.
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/48877107/handmade-80s-lace-up-vintage-leather

    Sounds more like resell to me. I’m sure etsy admin will feature them on the FP soon if they haven’t already.

  28. it stinks June 9, 2010 at 7:21 am #

    Oh wait, they were featured in an Etsy curated treasury on the FP in April.
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/43992371/three-colour-red-white-black-tights?ref=API_juln_CraftCult

    These tights which are in the vintage category.

    I’m sorry to all the vintage sellers, but vintage tights are just gross. Of course, these aren’t really vintage, but I’m just saying. Like vintage underwear – there is no way I would buy vintage underwear. This is just a personal opinion.

  29. JohnCock June 9, 2010 at 7:25 am #

    I am willing to bet that the huge watermarks on the daix shop is covering up another watermark…

  30. Cat Power June 9, 2010 at 7:57 am #

    I just went to both of the shops mentioned just above and both are empty…Did they read this blog and decide to vacate the premises, or did they get pulled by Etsy? I’m betting on the former!

  31. JohnCock June 9, 2010 at 8:00 am #

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/fantasyard

  32. sick of cupcakes June 9, 2010 at 8:06 am #

    Jackie, I believe you are right. I think that Aliexpress is the one stealing the pictures from sellers. I feel bad now for thinking otherwise.

  33. JohnCock June 9, 2010 at 9:25 am #

    I have to say that I “think* I have a good eye for resellers and I also crochet and I am still not sure that this is one. I looked at a lot of pictures on the Aliexpress website last night night and I think they have stolen many pictures. It would not be the first time.

  34. justsayit June 9, 2010 at 9:57 am #

    It is hard to tell who is supplying what to who here…photos or crochet items. Maybe it is going both ways.

    Mikis is empty now.

  35. JOINAA June 9, 2010 at 1:42 pm #

    JohnCock– that shop is the PITS! no way are they even remotely handmade, and for $9.99!!

    The descriptions are misleading, too:
    “Description
    * Enchanting Colorful Peacock Feather Crystal Pin Brooch.
    * 100% brand new and exquisitely detailed DESIGNER STYLE brooch pin.
    * It’s great for wearing on your hat, coat, jacket, jean,handbag and purse.
    * The best one for wedding, party and gift.
    * Other alternative COLORS available.

    Specifications
    Size 3 x 1 inches
    Frame Color Antique silver tone
    Stone color Capri blue, topaz,light olivine and Emerald
    Material Alloy plated in antique silver tone and crystals ”

    SOUNDS LIKE PIRATE BOOTY! AND SO CHEAP in more ways than a few…….

  36. Life During Wartime June 9, 2010 at 1:58 pm #

    Here is fantasyard’s peacock feather brooch on AliBaba
    http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/110612549/Ruby_Rhinestone_Colorful_Peacock_Feather_Crystal.html

  37. Life During Wartime June 9, 2010 at 1:59 pm #

    I think all of fantasyard’s items are here, same seller on alibaba:
    http://www.alibaba.com/member/us111083048/productlist.html

  38. Life During Wartime June 9, 2010 at 2:04 pm #

    I think this means that fantasyard, a US importer of Chinese factory made jewelry, stole their own photos and seller name and set up on AliBaba. Or maybe it’s identity theft.

  39. Gaskill June 9, 2010 at 3:46 pm #

    “sigh” ….I recognise many etsy crochet sellers pictures (including my own) on that site. I am fed up finding my original pictures, of my original work, on these websites…it is beyond frustrating.

  40. SundayBrunch June 9, 2010 at 10:06 pm #

    justsayit Says:
    I have not looked at the doilies in WalMart, but yes there is a third world piece-workcottage industry that produces crochet for far less than a person in the US could do it for. The workers are often children or started as children.
    —————————————————–
    There is another aspect to these imported crocheted items — they are most often made by political prisoners forced into it during their prison sentence; unpaid, of course. It’s slave labor producing cheap crap for the West.

    Another reason not to buy the imported doilies at WalMart (or anywhere else).

  41. justsayit June 11, 2010 at 12:29 am #

    Sundaybrunch, I was unaware of that. do you have a link to more information.

    I did have a look at the crocet doilies at Walmart. They are crochet and ao done by hand- and priced so low I am concerned about the origin. It looks like the most the maker could be earning is about 25 cents per hour and that is a geneorous estimation.

  42. sick of cupcakes June 11, 2010 at 6:03 am #

    Last year Walmart had some beautiful knit scarves for ten bucks. Made me sick because it would take me many hours to knit similar stuff and why would anyone pay my prices when they can get them cheaper at walmart?

  43. justsayit June 11, 2010 at 2:33 pm #

    I t is just impossible to compete with that labor. And the material…you can hardly buy that for ten dollars.

  44. SundayBrunch June 11, 2010 at 11:22 pm #

    justsayit, I googled “chinese prisoners crochet” (without the quote marks) and found several sites with first-hand accounts of Chinese prisoners being forced to make gift items for Western consumers, including crocheted items.

    Using the term “crocheted” can bring more results.

  45. Tired of it all June 12, 2010 at 3:50 am #

    HMMMM.

    Here is a youtube video of Miki’s Knits showing the shop owner proving she crochets her items:

    Here is what I notice:

    The woman never actually crochets. She just holds up the crochet hook and fiber and says this is how she “knits” the bag.

    The bag of materials beside the crafter is full of embroidery thread. There is no yarn (that I can see) anywhere in the video. All of the items in her shop are clearly made with yarn, not embroidery thread.

    She holds up the embroidery thread and says she can crochet the sample bag in “one hour.” It would take HOURS and many skeins of embrodery floss to crochet that bag, if she were actually making the bag with embroidery floss.

    I’m guessing there is a language issue with her holding up a crochet hook and saying she is knitting, so I have no problem with that. I’m just still not really sure the shop owner is making these items.

  46. justsayit June 12, 2010 at 5:03 am #

    I’ll check it out, Sunday. Thanks.

  47. Life During Wartime June 12, 2010 at 9:07 pm #

    I looked at some of her other videos where she looks like she’s whipping along with her project…except the item doesn’t change size or orientation from video to video.

    I don’t knit or crochet, so I can’t tell if she is miming or really making something.

    Other than the one linked above, the videos are blurry, so it’s hard to see what she is doing.

    I’m not convinced. I’m thinking she’s a college student and relative of the person who owns the factory in China. I mean, they’re making videos but she doesn’t have a folding table from Staples to keep her materials and project off of the floor?

    Are there any items in her shop made with embroidery floss?

  48. Miki Antunovich June 12, 2010 at 10:09 pm #

    Now I feel like a celebrity. My wife is the one in the youtube videos crocheting the purse and mikisknits is our website. My wife is from Thailand and I have no relationships to anyone in China. I guess all Asian people look Chinese to some. Etsy has removed our sites while we attempt to prove we are actually hand making the items. I have uploaded additional youtube videos that show a purse being made in an hour’s time which is the same as listings on our site and yes the purse does grow in size and is completed at the end of the video. If you take a close look at the photos on the Chinese website do you really think they have a BOB Stroller lying around to take photos of a purse? All the photos where taken from our apartment in Santa Monica. It also appears that all the photos from the Chinese shop where taken from various Etsy shops. Does not take a genius to recognize this.

    As far as the embroidery floss goes. That is what my wife uses to make the small flowers that she glues to hair clips. There are numerous completed flowers in the video clip. If anyone live near Santa Monica we can provide first hand evidence that we make the items. At this point we are going to do everything to prove that our items are handmade. We appreciate that Etsy and others want the marketplace to be authentic handmade items however some over zealous people have jumped to conclusions in spite to items which should have led you to believe the Chinese site is “bogus” Thanks for nothing to the person who started this thread.

    Miki
    Mikisknits

  49. Miki Antunovich June 12, 2010 at 10:15 pm #

    MadeByM**** Says:
    June 8, 2010 at 12:50 pm
    Well, I supposed an experienced person could, but what if she gets a couple of orders once a day for a few days……she can’t possible get them done and mailed out in 2 to 3 days I would think!

    Response: All the items are already made. What do you mean can’t possible get them done. They are already done. We are not selling something that is not made.

  50. Miki Antunovich June 12, 2010 at 10:17 pm #

    detroit Says:
    June 8, 2010 at 6:10 pm
    sick of cupcakes Says:
    June 8, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    I could actually crochet a bag that fast, but obviously she isn’t doing the work.
    ______________________________

    But, would you crochet your fingers off for an entire day for $17?

    I think she’s mentioning the day or two lag time to give the impression she’s crocheting (I mean, knitting) something.

    Or, he.

    Response: My wife can crochet the purses in an hour to an hour and 1/2. We think our prices are competitive. I see items cheaper than ours. Those are the ones I don’t believe.
    Mikisknits

  51. Miki Antunovich June 12, 2010 at 10:23 pm #

    Cat Power Says:
    June 9, 2010 at 7:57 am
    I just went to both of the shops mentioned just above and both are empty…Did they read this blog and decide to vacate the premises, or did they get pulled by Etsy? I’m betting on the former!

    Response: Sorry. The later is true. Etsy pulled our sites while we prove we are handmade. Another error this thread has made. Over zealous. We are frustrated because we have spent hours setting up our site and making the items. This is unfair to us.

    Miki
    Mikisknits

  52. Miki Antunovich June 12, 2010 at 10:30 pm #

    Gaskill Says:
    June 9, 2010 at 3:46 pm
    “sigh” ….I recognise many etsy crochet sellers pictures (including my own) on that site. I am fed up finding my original pictures, of my original work, on these websites…it is beyond frustrating.

    Response: Thank you Gaskill. It is unfair that someone can steal our original photos and use it as their own. At least Etsy has not noticed it and taken you down. I feel the originator of this thread is responsible for us being taken down. Over zealous in this case and unfair.

    Miki
    Mikisknits

  53. Miki Antunovich June 12, 2010 at 10:37 pm #

    Life During Wartime Says:
    June 12, 2010 at 9:07 pm
    I looked at some of her other videos where she looks like she’s whipping along with her project…except the item doesn’t change size or orientation from video to video.

    I don’t knit or crochet, so I can’t tell if she is miming or really making something.

    Other than the one linked above, the videos are blurry, so it’s hard to see what she is doing.

    I’m not convinced. I’m thinking she’s a college student and relative of the person who owns the factory in China. I mean, they’re making videos but she doesn’t have a folding table from Staples to keep her materials and project off of the floor?

    Are there any items in her shop made with embroidery floss?

    RESPONSE: This is the post that saddens me the most. Life During Wartime, you are a very insensitive person. I guess all Asian people are Chinese to you. Unfair and incorrect on your part. We are trying to run a business and we put hard work into what we do.

  54. Miki Antunovich June 12, 2010 at 11:14 pm #

    Jackie Says:
    June 8, 2010 at 6:43 pm
    I sell crocheted items on etsy, so I’m quite familiar with what the other crocheters sell. I just spent 45 minutes looking at all the pics on the aliexpress store (store 201129) and recognize many from quite a few different etsy sellers. I do not believe for one moment that any of these sellers are resellers. I believe that store # 201129 has stolen pics from these etsy sellers. This happened on ebay two years ago and involved many, many etsy sellers. I do not think mikisknits is a reseller.

    Should I notify all these sellers of what is on the alexiexpress site?

    RESPONSE: Thank you Jackie.

  55. Life During Wartime June 13, 2010 at 2:07 am #

    Miki, I actually did notice that your wife is NOT Chinese. However, not everyone who buys labor in China to make their products is Chinese. Or has European ancestry. There are resale shops on Etsy that ship textile products made in China from Thailand.

    If the owner of the Chinese webstore has stolen your designs, I hope Etsy helps you and other Etsy sellers to have the stolen photos and copied products removed. Because even though it seems unfair to you and your wife, it is hard to believe a company would be offering to sell exactly the same goods your wife makes by herself in wholesale lots. I mean, if they can recreate your wife’s designs from her photos, and mass produce the items, why can’t they take their own photos? I am not saying it’s impossible. I’m saying I don’t understand it.

  56. Miki Antunovich June 13, 2010 at 7:47 am #

    Everyone is quick to say we are lazy rather than suggest the Chinese company is to lazy to create the items first and shoot their own photos. They are trying to sell lots of 20 so I guess they would just wait until an order is executed to attempt to make the order. I would bet that the items would not resemble ours in size, color and embellishments. It is just frustrating that everyone is quick to discredit us and never shift the attention to the Chinese company that create this mess. Etsy has made no offer to assist in resolving this. They just take your site down and force me to continue to send information until they are satisfied.

  57. Miki Antunovich June 13, 2010 at 9:52 am #

    I just uploaded a higher quality video of her making a flower embellishment for the purse. I hope this does not generate a miming comment. Some people are so stubborn that once they draw a conclusion it is hard for them to change their opinion in spite of further information that should change their mind. I never thought I would have to spend this much time defend the fact that we hand make our items.

  58. Jackie June 13, 2010 at 7:12 pm #

    Again, let me state………I saw many etsy sellers photos on that Chinese website. I have no doubt that these pics are stolen. Pity the business or person that places a wholesale order with this company. I seriously doubt that they will get the item pictured or come close to the quality.

    About 15 months ago, a fellow etsy crocheter posted in the etsy forums that many, many, etsy sellers’ photos were listed at a shop on ebay, mine included. This was an ebay shop based in Asia. Everyone complained to ebay and the shop was removed. Was this ebay seller going to buy the etsy items once an order was placed and then ship it on to her customer…………or, was she going to try and make the item best she could?? Who knows. This kind of stuff happens all the time!

    And for using embroidery floss for crochet? Absolutely!! Makes the best flowers! Ever hear of crochet thread? Very similar to floss.

    One more thing, I recall one pic in Miki’s etsy shop that is on the Chinese shop as well. Considering this shop is based in mainland China, seems a bit odd to me that there are American products (in English) in the pics, Gerber baby food, Huggies and baby wipes.
    http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs-img/314979899-The-Bag-Made-to-Hold-All-Your-Baby-Essentials-wholesalers.html

    I’m all for getting rid of resellers on etsy. I do not believe that Miki’s is a reseller. If they are, then so are all the other etsy sellers that have pics posted on that Chinese site. There is NO way these sellers are resellers.

    Jackie <—- monarchdancer on etsy

  59. Miki Antunovich June 13, 2010 at 8:36 pm #

    once again. Thank you so much Jackie…

  60. Miki Antunovich June 13, 2010 at 8:38 pm #

    you forgot to mention our BOB stroller. Doubt the Chinese company has one of those around to take photos.

  61. Life During Wartime June 14, 2010 at 12:40 am #

    So, Miki…have you followed Jackie’s example and complained to both/either the owner of the Chinese shop or to Alibaba?

    And told them to take your photos out of their shop?

    Because even though you have explained in detail about the stolen photos and have videos of your wife making her items, as long as that store is pretending to sell your items the question about which seller is real and which one is fake won’t go away. Are there items from other Etsy shops in the Alibaba store now?

    There has got to be a way to make them take down your photos!

  62. Jackie June 14, 2010 at 6:44 am #

    <<<<>>>>

    I saw a video where she is making a bag. She is most definitely crocheting. She even counts her stitches.

    <<<<>>>>

    Where did you pull this out of? I thought this site was supposed to be facts and hard core evidence……….not speculation.

    Must be a reseller because she sits on the floor to crochet and doesn’t have a table to keep her stuff on. You should see where I have crocheted.

    <<<<>>>>

    More concrete evidence that Miki is a reseller. NOT! Miki states in her etsy sold listings that she uses 100 % cotton yarn for the bags. The thread is used for flowers.

    <<<<>>>>

    But she does NOT say she uses floss to make the bags, she uses cotton yarn. It’s very possible, if she’s a fast crocheter……that she can whip up these bags in one hour. They are not that big. Thicker yarn, bigger hook and you can whip things up really fast. I have many items in my shop that I can crochet in under an hour.

    <<<<>>>>>

    Maybe experienced crocheters should be the only ones talking in this thread. Unless you know this for a fact, then it’s foolish to state it. I can make many crocheted items in one day if I am disciplined about it (get up early, avoid the computer, make a quick dinner, etc). There are 24 hours in one day, plenty of time to crochet lots of things.

    <<<<<Because even though you have explained in detail about the stolen photos and have videos of your wife making her items, as long as that store is pretending to sell your items the question about which seller is real and which one is fake won’t go away. Are there items from other Etsy shops in the Alibaba store now?

    Yes! I keep saying it! There are many, many items from quite a few different sellers, not just Miki's shop.

    <<<<>>>>

    Tell them how to make this site take down the photos? I mean really, how do you make someone do this?

    I find this call out extremely disturbing. It’s not based in facts…even after a few of us have stated that there are many stolen pics on that site. I realize that any etsy seller can be part of a witch hunt if enough people are just determined to label them a reseller. That scares me. Who’s next?
    I have gone over Miki’s shop a few times, before and after etsy removed her items. There is nothing I can find that even remotely points to her being a reseller. It’s terrible her shop has been closed.

  63. justsayit June 14, 2010 at 6:48 am #

    MIki, I hope you are able to get this straightened out without too much more trouble. This has to be a horribly frustrating situation for you and your wife. With all the care Etsy admin say they take before acting on the reseller accounts, it is hard to understand how this could happen.

    I did write to the Alibaba shop person and asked why they were using stolen photographs and putting their own watermark on them.

    They replied with a question as to what I meant (Yea, right. They have no idea. Sheesh). I am waiting for another response to my reply.

    All the Etsy people whose photos have been stolen should contact her/him and raise hell any other way possible.

  64. Jackie June 14, 2010 at 6:50 am #

    Sorry about my post before this. It came out all messed up. I tried to fix it here.

    The woman never actually crochets. She just holds up the crochet hook and fiber and says this is how she “knits” the bag.

    My reply: I saw a video where she is making a bag. She is most definitely crocheting. She even counts her stitches.
    ————
    I’m not convinced. I’m thinking she’s a college student and relative of the person who owns the factory in China. I mean, they’re making videos but she doesn’t have a folding table from Staples to keep her materials and project off of the floor?

    My reply: Where did you pull this out of? I thought this site was supposed to be facts and hard core evidence……….not speculation.

    Must be a reseller because she sits on the floor to crochet and doesn’t have a table to keep her stuff on. You should see where I have crocheted.
    ——————-
    The bag of materials beside the crafter is full of embroidery thread. There is no yarn (that I can see) anywhere in the video. All of the items in her shop are clearly made with yarn, not embroidery thread.

    My reply: More concrete evidence that Miki is a reseller. NOT! Miki states in her etsy sold listings that she uses 100 % cotton yarn for the bags. The thread is used for flowers.
    ———————
    She holds up the embroidery thread and says she can crochet the sample bag in “one hour.” It would take HOURS and many skeins of embrodery floss to crochet that bag, if she were actually making the bag with embroidery floss.

    My reply: But she does NOT say she uses floss to make the bags, she uses cotton yarn. It’s very possible, if she’s a fast crocheter……that she can whip up these bags in one hour. They are not that big. Thicker yarn, bigger hook and you can whip things up really fast. I have many items in my shop that I can crochet in under an hour.
    ———————–
    Well, I supposed an experienced person could, but what if she gets a couple of orders once a day for a few days……she can’t possible get them done and mailed out in 2 to 3 days I would think!

    My Reply: Unless you know this for a fact, than it’s foolish to state it. I can make many crocheted items in one day if I am disciplined about it (get up early, avoid the computer, make a quick dinner, etc).
    ——————–
    Because even though you have explained in detail about the stolen photos and have videos of your wife making her items, as long as that store is pretending to sell your items the question about which seller is real and which one is fake won’t go away. Are there items from other Etsy shops in the Alibaba store now?

    There has got to be a way to make them take down your photos!

    My Reply: Tell them how to make this site take down the photos? I mean really, how do you make someone do this?

    ———————
    My Reply: I find this call out extremely disturbing. It’s not based in facts…even after a few of us have stated that there are many stolen pics on that site. I realize that any etsy seller can be part of a witch hunt if enough people are just determined to label them a reseller. That scares me. Who’s next?
    I have gone over Miki’s shop a few times, before and after etsy removed her items. There is nothing I can find that even remotely points to her being a reseller. It’s terrible her shop has been closed.

  65. justsayit June 14, 2010 at 6:58 am #

    Well said Jackie. I am not familiar with the crochet shops on Etsy and so did not immediately recognize the items on the Ali site as Etsy member works. After more closely looking, it is clear even to me that the Ali person is stealilng images.

  66. Jackie June 14, 2010 at 7:34 am #

    I plan on sending Miki a detailed list of the etsy sellers pics that are on the site. I will show the etsy sellers photos and underneath the link to the stolen ones. They can forward it to etsy. I will then notify each seller that I find on that site.

    So far……..I am only on page 3 of the aliexpress site and have identified 10 stolen pics from 4 etsy sellers. I know I will find lots more.

  67. justsayit June 14, 2010 at 7:41 am #

    Kudos to you for doing that, Jackie.

  68. Miki Antunovich June 14, 2010 at 7:57 am #

    Wow Jackie. Thank you so much. I have forwarded additional information to Etsy admin to try and get this resolved. I hope the recent videos on the web will change their mind. I am glad this thread has now turned to a positive for my site and not a negative. Hoping this gets resolved. The bigger challange I believe will be the removal of the photos from the Chinese website.

  69. Jackie June 14, 2010 at 8:03 am #

    To Miki’s husband — Hopefully I will have this done by this evening. I need to go out and I have an order I need to get done today. I will do whatever I can to help you and Miki. I will send the info via convo.

  70. Jackie June 14, 2010 at 8:06 am #

    Well said Jackie. I am not familiar with the crochet shops on Etsy and so did not immediately recognize the items on the Ali site as Etsy member works. After more closely looking, it is clear even to me that the Ali person is stealilng images.
    ———————————

    My reply: For two years I check the crochet category daily. I am always looking for patterns to buy and I also look before I renew an item in my shop to see what page it’s on. I’ve become very familiar with sellers and items. I truly believe in my heart that Miki is making her own items. The aliexpress shop has zero credibility with me since many of their photos are stolen.

  71. Jackie June 14, 2010 at 8:13 am #

    .The bigger challange I believe will be the removal of the photos from the Chinese website.
    ————————–

    My reply: This may prove very difficult. When a similar situation happened on ebay last year…….ebay was fantastic about removing the shop. However, many etsy sellers complained to ebay which is what probably helped.

    I suggest you contact Alibaba, not the seller. I will also give this info to the sellers I contact about their pics.

    Here’s some info.
    http://us.my.alibaba.com/mcweb/complaint_list.htm
    http://www.alibaba.com/trade/servlet/page/help/contact_us

    Found this

    1.Overview
    Alibaba.com Hong Kong Limited respects the intellectual property rights of others, and we expect our users to do the same. Unauthorized use of another party’s materials and trademarks are dealt with severely on our websites at http://www.alibaba.com and http://www.aliexpress.com (each a “Site”).
    http://news.alibaba.com/article/detail/help/100104162-1-intellectual-property-protection-policy-infringement.html

  72. Jackie June 14, 2010 at 10:27 am #

    Here’s an idea………the people that reported Miki’s shop should contact etsy and ask that they allow her to sell since it’s obvious the other site has stolen pics on it. Callin’ out on etsy can also be “Makin’ it right on etsy”.

  73. Miki Antunovich June 14, 2010 at 10:44 am #

    Thanks for the suggestion. I was concerned that this thread would cause lasting damage to my site going forward (If I can get it back up). If they can reverse the negativity then maybe I can find success in the future on Etsy.

  74. stinkypants June 14, 2010 at 3:11 pm #

    I wanna see a sweatshop full of owls making this stuff.

  75. Lesliel Nelle-Urinyi June 14, 2010 at 6:39 pm #

    I’ve been hit by someone on aliexpress.com also, see link:

    http://www.aliexpress.com/store/201129/search/1.html

    This person stole my pics, used them on the site. I have been selling the hats with corkscrews since 2008, have a pattern that I have also been selling, and then the third hat, the helmet style since 2009, also selling the pattern. One etsy I sell the hats and patterns, on ravelry I sell the patterns, on my own website I sell the hats and patterns, and on artfire. I have contacted this person and made a complaint to the site, I’m also going to make etsy aware….this is outright thievery, thank god two of my loyal customers brought this to my attention. One of the hats that this person stole the pic of was actually one of two hats I entered in the CGOA design contest in Buffalo, New York in August 2009…of course this person didn’t know that, and I have tons of people from that show who saw the hat, as well as everyone from the International Freeform Guild on the internet who know it’s my hats and designs (that group has over 2,000 members)….any suggestions on who to contact on Etsy about this nonense. See the below link to my blog showing the hats, the first three hats are the ones that she stole the pics of, two hats were sold on etsy, one hat was sold at a local craft show.

    http://woolmountainstudio.blogspot.com/2009/09/new-hats-just-listed-on-etsy.html

  76. 2crochetmamma June 14, 2010 at 6:53 pm #

    Just to let you all know, Jackie just tracked me down, but it was a little late…
    Etsy already contacted me on Friday about this, but didn’t share the “SCAMMER/THIEF SITE” with me till Sat. afternoon. Etsy asked for pictures and anything to prove that I handmake all my items on Friday, I had no idea what was going on, I obliged and did what they asked. Then they shared that UNBELIEVEABLE website with me!!! I couldn’t believe my eyes! They wanted a FULL video emailed to them with me making a whole hat. I did this over the weekend, it took 12 hrs to upload 20 minutes of video to them. I contacted 2 of my photographers which are on that Chinese site too as she has put HER WATERMARK all over my pictures and the photographers daughters pictures! She even took one of the photographers watermarks off the side and put her watermark all over it. She has 10 of my listings copied word for word, titles, MY pictures, MY designs… everything!!! The 2 photographers emailed etsy on my behalf today along with the copyright to the pictures which they gave ME not HER!!! One of the photographers are on a rampage right now and she found 3 other etsy stores that she has STOLEN from! We have contacted them all and have only heard back from one. She has contacted etsy as well. I haven’t heard a thing back from etsy today or yesterday, they must be closed Mondays? They probably have at least 30 emails from me and my fellow etsy family backing me up and to prove that that fricken alibaba site/china site is a SCAM!!! I told etsy in an email that I will fly myself to New York (wherever they are based) from Ontario, Canada and sit and crochet every one of my items right in front of them to “prove” that I designed, and make all my items. I don’t understand why they are taking “her” word for it? and not backing us up? I’m really disappointed….
    I really appreciate the email and I hope this matter gets resolved tomorrow. I hope they will reinstate the other etsy seller that was kicked off. That is too bad! 😦
    We have sent about 10 emails to alibaba to have her kicked off their site that she has STOLEN pictures, etc, entire listings from other artists, we have not heard anything back yet from them. I have emailed the “CHINA SCAMMERS” 40 times in the last 2 days to remove my listings, and she writes me back “What is the meaning of this?” I”LL TELL YOU WHAT THE MEANING IS!!! I let loose on her threatening legal action (which I can’t afford, and again.. she’s in CHINA).
    I’m so frustrated and angry at this whole thing,
    I just can’t believe this is happening….
    I will follow your links and make a complaint against them, I will pass this link on to all the people she is affecting that I know of,
    Thanks again so, so much,
    I really appreciate it,
    Shauna

    P.S. I just received an email from alibaba, any help would be great, I have no patents, I have a trademark on my Bouquet Beanies name but only in Canada, I have no idea how to proceed with the form they want filled out. Any help would be appreciated. I have already forwarded them links to HER LISTING, MY LISTING for all 10 of my listings, I also included listings from the other 3 sellers that one of my photographers found.
    This is the email I received…

    In order for us to process your claim, you are required to sign and complete the attached and return the same to us together with your intellectual property proof.

    Regarding your case, whilst you claims the listings identified by you are infringing http://www.etsy.com, you may provide us your ownership proof of the aforesaid website for us to process your claim.

    Meanwhile, you are advised to submit your claim via our online reporting at http://legal.alibaba.com/complaint/login/login.htm?loginType=international, which would allow us to process infringement claims comparatively efficient with better transparency.

    We thank you for your kind attention.
    Yours Faithfully,

    Legal Department

    Alibaba.com

    Any help would be apprecited, this is my life, my only income, my own designs, my own pictures, my own ideas of the interchangeable flower hats, how dare they do this???

  77. 2crochetmamma June 14, 2010 at 7:00 pm #

    Check out how this works!!! I am in shock!!

    1) This is her listing…

    http://www.aliexpress.com/store/201129/209900926-297167660/SCALLOPED-BOUQUET-BEANIE-Boutique-BLACK-Skull-Hat-Cap-Crochet-with-7-interchangable-flowers.html

    this is my listing…

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/40480095/free-shippingscalloped-bouquet-beanie

    2) this is her listing…

    http://www.aliexpress.com/store/201129/209900926-304239334/Handmade-children-s-hats.html

    this is my listing…

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/39495733/free-shippingscalloped-bouquet-beanie (pictures being copied are the 3rd and 4th ones down on the right side)

    3) this is her listing…

    http://www.aliexpress.com/store/201129/209900926-303448746/Hand-crochet-children-s-hats.html (this is my friends daughter!!!)

    this is my listing…

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/43864627/free-shippingscalloped-bouquet-beanie

    4) this is her listing…

    http://www.aliexpress.com/store/201129/209900926-303443489/Hand-crochet-children-s-hats.html

    this is my listing…

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/42657472/free-shipping-twisted-bouquet-beanie (pictures are the 2nd, 3rd and 4th one down on the right side)

    5) this is her listing…

    http://www.aliexpress.com/store/201129/209900926-303443484/Hand-crochet-children-s-hats.html

    this is my listing…

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/41999842/free-shippingscalloped-bouquet-beanie

    6) this is her listing…

    http://www.aliexpress.com/store/201129/209900926-303443481/Hand-crochet-children-s-hats.html

    this is my listing…

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/40949941/free-shippingscalloped-bouquet-beanie

    7) this is her listing…

    http://www.aliexpress.com/store/201129/209900926-303443477/Hand-crochet-children-s-hats.html

    this is my listing…

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/40498109/free-shippingscalloped-bouquet-beanie

    8) this is her listing…

    http://www.aliexpress.com/store/201129/209900926-297150677/Handmade-children-s-hats.html

    this is my listing…

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/44479455/free-shippingscalloped-bouquet-beanie (2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th pictures)

    9) this is her listing…

    http://www.aliexpress.com/store/201129/209900926-292513616/TWISTED-BOUQUET-BEANIE-Boutique-Cream-Beanie-Skull-Hat-Crochet-with-7-Interchangable-flowers-to-match.html

    (she has copied my item title word for word as well as my pictures!)

    this is my listing…

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/44429938/free-shipping-twisted-bouquet-beanie (again, my friends daughter! she even has her watermark on it in which this seller has removed and put hers on it!)

    AND… I found a 10th item today…
    her listing…
    http://www.aliexpress.com/store/201129/209898515-304196995/Crochet-flowers.html
    my listing…
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/49177885/free-shippingnew-spring-colors-are-here

    She even copied my etsy listing titles, the descriptions were identical but I added a new size last weekend, I can prove that this is what my description said though!
    AND HER WATERMARKS ARE ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY PICTURES!!! HOW DARE SHE!!!

  78. Miki Antunovich June 14, 2010 at 8:32 pm #

    I hope Etsy admin recognizes that the site is bogus and built entirely on stolen photos. I also hope that no further shop owners are effected by this. I appear to be the only site taken off by Etsy. I too have upload video over the weekend which took hours and hours away from my weekend. Collectively we may all send enough complaints to Alibaba to actually get this resolved, I hope.

    Miki
    Mikisknits

  79. Tired of it all June 15, 2010 at 2:57 am #

    If this person on the Alibaba site is stealing photos from Etsy shops, then I’m glad this blog brought this issue to light. Is it one Alibaba shop or many shops?

    I wonder what you get if you order something from the Alibaba site? Would it look anything like the item you would receive from the Etsy seller? It’s crazy!

    Miki has added a video which shows her actually crocheting one of her bags:

    To me, this video shows that Miki legitimately makes the bags. Thank you for posting it and clearing this up.

  80. Miki Antunovich June 15, 2010 at 8:53 am #

    My site is back up. Thank you all who backed me and helped restore my shop and mostly thank you Jackie as she spent numerous amounts of energy to show how many stolen photos are on the Chinese website. To anyone else who finds their photos have been stolen from this site, let’s continue to barage them with e-mail’s and attempt to get Alibaba to take them down. We still have the issue that our photos are on a fake wholesale website.

  81. Jackie June 15, 2010 at 8:58 am #

    I am sooooooooooooo happy for you Miki!!!! This has made my day 🙂 More than happy to help a fellow etsian. Now to work on getting the pics removed from Alibaba.

  82. Jackie June 15, 2010 at 9:02 am #

    Miki — I wonder if we should send Alibaba the list I sent you showing the etsy photos and the stolen photos?

  83. Miki Antunovich June 15, 2010 at 9:22 am #

    Oh no.. It looks like more items have shown up on the website. The front page changed. Jackie can you confirm that new items are being listed on the Chinese website? Does not appear they want to stop.

  84. justsayit June 15, 2010 at 9:33 am #

    Glad you are back up Miki.

    Maybe if Alibaba is bombarded with enough complaints, they will take the photos down. Let’s hope anyway.

    I have not had a second reply from the shop owner who has probably had several others to reply to over the past few days.

    One thing that still does not make sense is why Etsy was so quick to close Miki. Supposedly Etsy has this whole process of investigation to go through before closing a shop. They leave other very obvious violators open until the process is complete, yet Miki was quickly shut with easily disproved “evidence”. I’d love to know the Etsy reasoning that went on in this case.

  85. Miki Antunovich June 15, 2010 at 10:05 am #

    Once I began reading this thread and the date that this thread began is the same time Etsy reached out to me asking questions therefore this website is what brought us down the first time. I also feel that it was bad luck that my photos are on the front page of the Chinese website and someone did not take the time initially to review the entire website and notice multiple Etsy items. Now for how Etsy approached the situation. As 2crochetmamma stated happened to her Etsy send out a four point question which is most likely a standard e-mail. How many people work on your shop, how are you items made etc. I responded as promptly as possible. Next e-mail from Etsy is your items and photos are on a wholesale website with a link to aliexpress and your site is deactivated.

    Next, after the shock of being taken down I right Etsy back asking for help and leaving my contact #. No chance of ever talking with someone from Etsy. You must e-mail and everything goes at their pace. E-mail back from them asking for photos and supplies. Since I am eager to get my site up I review my digital camera for anything that involves items being made. My mistake. The quick photos I pulled where not convincing enough. Site stays down based on this and maybe their suspicion goes up because of lack of evidence. More e-mails back and forth much with standard language about how Etsy is a handmade market place. I pointed out that the photos are stolen and sent links of other Etsy items. Etsy temporarily agrees to activate our site however requests video evidence.

    Here comes the fun part. Again my mistake. I haste I take video using my digital camara. I put various supplies on the ground along with finished products and have my wife say a few words about making the products. English is not her first language and she makes the mistake of saying knit instead of crochet. Funny but big error. This turns everyone againt us. For your information, in Thailand they use one word for the act of knitting and crocheting. I guess its all the same to them. Etsy takes our site back down again. Then some more questions about hook size and time it takes to make the product. Maybe they feel they will catch a reseller that will not furnish the correct answer. I think I answered wrongly because I stated my wife can make a purse in one hour. Again no one believes this and turns against us.

    Then I find this thread and start posting. As I am trying to convince this thread it help me deal with Etsy. I take better quality video and upload so all can see. Other generous Etsy shop owners get involved and help me build my case. In the end Etsy sees that the shop is full of stolen photos and our good quality video helps prove we make our products.

    My advice to anyone getting requests from Etsy is that you should take your time and respond with the best possible answer. I was responding in haste because my shop was down and it only led to more questions.

  86. Leslie Nelle-Urinyi June 15, 2010 at 10:15 am #

    I just checked the site and it looks like my hats have been removed, can anybody check and see if this is the case? And I’ve noticed some other of my friends have been mugged by this wack job…..I’ve posted about this in the etsynj group, the freeform crochet group both on yahoo, some of the girl’s in these groups have picked up on it and are notifying others in other etsy groups. So I guess we must keep vigilant.

    Leslie

  87. Life During Wartime June 15, 2010 at 2:21 pm #

    Glad your shop is back, Mikisknits. And thanks for letting us know about your experience with Etsy. A situation like yours should have been handled by phone because what was going on with the aliexpress store was not obvious from a quick look. If you had been able to speak with a human instead of trading emails your shop would have been in the clear right away.

    I just checked the Chinese store, and they still have your photos up there with their watermark on them. That is theft. Hopefully alibaba will shut them down — or at least remove all the stolen pics — soon.

    I am going to send them a complaint about the Chinese store. I don’t know if that will help, but it can’t hurt!

  88. Cosmic Yuk June 17, 2010 at 12:23 pm #

    I’m coming in on the end of this and I doubt anyone is reading it anymore, but I’d like to say a few things.

    First of all Miki, I’m glad you were able to restore your shop and reputation.

    As inconvenient and frustrating as it was to have your shop shut down and as embarrassing as it might have been to be called out on this blog, I think it served a good purpose.

    It posed an example for people to see that there is often more to it than just what is on the surface.

    The blog gave you an opportunity to set the record straight publicly, you wouldn’t have been able to do that on the Etsy forums.

    A blog reader was able to help you (and others) by collecting evidence.

    Etsy’s closing your shop until you could provide proof, while unfair to you in the end, is actually a good thing if the person winds up actually being a reseller. Their goods are off the market during the investigation eliminating the possibility of someone purchasing a fraudulent item. I know I’ve seen it requested many times for Etsy to shut down obvious reseller shops while they investigate, the downside of this is that sometimes an innocent is going to get caught in that net.

    Either we want them to be vigilant or we don’t. Of course, consistency would be nice, I know there are resellers that have been on the site for years despite proof and I wish I knew why they are treated differently.

    As clunky as the system is, it worked in your case. You were accused, detained for questioning, they investigated your alibi and you were found innocent. You can’t be tried for the same crime twice, it’s called double jeopardy, so any future flags will be ignored.

    And as a bonus, I got a personal connection to the artisan behind the product and a glimpse into the person behind the shop. You have a lovely wife and an adorable son, and because of this blog I’m hearting your shop for a future purchase.

    If you haven’t already, I’d put links to the youtube videos in your shop, they are a wonderful way to give that personal connection.

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