13 Jun

Um What?






and sold stuff:

Made by another etsian and resold????




Maybe some people just really don’t know that all of that is a big old NO NO


23 Responses to “spikyjoo”

  1. jcjohn June 13, 2010 at 10:06 am #

    Seems like she makes the tops and the fabric is legit….

  2. sick of cupcakes June 13, 2010 at 11:20 am #

    Maybe some stuff is legit but those other things sure aren’t.

  3. Life During Wartime June 13, 2010 at 11:51 am #

    There are hundreds of Etsy shops whose items are mostly fine by the TOU, but have a handful or two of illegal junque listings.

    These are the shops (or items) Etsy ignores when flagged. So more and more sellers are listing items not made by them, not vintage, and not supplies. It’s easy money if the stuff sells, and there are no consequences for doing it. And if you put a deer, a bird, a bit of greenery, or a leftover crusty rusty prop from Life After People in your first photo, the item could be featured in Etsy Finds.

  4. sick of cupcakes June 13, 2010 at 5:25 pm #

    “…..or a leftover crusty rusty prop…”

    Hmmm…..I do believe I have some rusty shit in the garage.

  5. Life During Wartime June 14, 2010 at 1:33 am #

    This shop has been open for nearly 2 weeks now:


    Catalog photos. Fake logos.

  6. MadeByM**** June 14, 2010 at 8:49 am #

    Boy, lots of drama going on over at Etsyland over the “phone booths” and linking to off site venues……..my head is swimming!

  7. detroit June 14, 2010 at 9:35 am #

    Oh boy. That Trade Choi is obnoxious.

    Isn’t it amazing. The Etsy forums are IMMENSE. And Etsy has time and resources to follow it closely. And close stores owned by people who hurt their feelings by making critical comments about their playpen – uh, I mean offices.

    But they let THIS shit – not just a reseller, but a reseller of counterfeit goods (ahem Etsy – that’s ILLEGAL!!!) remain.

    I don’t buy that they’re too busy to catch up with the resellers. Just based on the sheer amount of time and energy they devote to big brothering the forums.

  8. MadeByM**** June 14, 2010 at 10:14 am #

    Exactly, Detroit!

  9. Life During Wartime June 14, 2010 at 10:17 am #

    All venues ‘big brother’ in forums (if they have forums) because the venue is in business to attract sellers. What happens with the sellers once they open and list items and pay fees, never matters as much as the ability to attract lots of new sellers.

    Most of the reseller and category abuse situations could be resolved fairly quickly if Etsy wanted to address it. That would leave a few well-trained staffers time to make careful investigation of shops whose situations aren’t obvious, rather that making the shop’s items disappear and reappear several times while the Etsy staff runs in circles.

    I’d love to see this blog become obsolete. But that’s not gonna happen.

    Here’s another I found today:

    How obvious do the resellers have to be? This shop isn’t trying to deceive anyone; they’re just located on the wrong venue for their merchandise.

  10. MadeByM**** June 14, 2010 at 10:39 am #

    Etsy is more worried about their bottom line than their customers!

  11. JOINAA June 14, 2010 at 11:24 am #

    There are just too many STOOPID, ignorant, and ethically challenged people in the world. I say, sterilize them and save the world for our grandchildren!

  12. Life During Wartime June 14, 2010 at 12:13 pm #

    That’s funny, JOINAA, but it’s not true. Stoopid parents mostly don’t have stoopid children.

    I was a literacy volunteer when I lived rural. One of my students was developmentally disabled, as was her husband (in his mid 30s he couldn’t write his name and address on the upper left corner of an envelope). They had two daughters. One was average intelligence, really pretty, with an amazingly sweet natural singing voice. The other was so bright she had skipped two grades in elementary school. Neither graduated from high school. Not because the parents were stoopid, but because the prevailing culture in the area encourages all young women who are not daughters of professionals to drop out after eigth grade.

    The women who work for Etsy aren’t stoopid. They are doing what they’re told so they can keep their jobs. Etsy sees itself as an online fashion and shelter magazine/catalog. Items that fit the chosen trends are heavily promoted; the items can be handmade or vintage — or just look like they might be.

    If a reseller or tag/category abuser fits well with the intended look and feel of Etsy, they can safely break the rules. Not because the Etsy employees are stoopid, but because the Etsy culture values their presence more than non-trend sellers who are model members of the community.

    Just my opinion, of course.

  13. JOINAA June 14, 2010 at 3:14 pm #

    (I was being facetious)

  14. detroit June 14, 2010 at 5:18 pm #

    If you read this LDW – did you feel being a literacy volunteer was fruitful? I live in, um. Detroit. And I’m sure a lot of you have heard the news about the students here having the worst standardized test scores of any big city.

    So, of course, there was a freakout (about the bad PR – of course – children have been underserved forever). And they developed a ‘Reading Corps’.

    I’ve wanted to volunteer – since I think literacy is the single biggest ‘teach a man to fish’ tool ever.

    But I really wonder…1) it’s a half hour a week. A WEEK? How’s that going to help. And 2) the road to hell was paved with good intentions, etc. etc.

    I just don’t want to participate in doing more harm than good.

  15. Blue Kitty June 15, 2010 at 1:07 am #

    “Here’s another I found today:

    How obvious do the resellers have to be? This shop isn’t trying to deceive anyone; they’re just located on the wrong venue for their merchandise.”

    I wonder how long its going to take to investigate that one to work out whether tney are a reseller or not.

  16. L June 15, 2010 at 8:18 am #

    Switch4uTrade is already closed! Watched as it happened. Yay!

  17. Life During Wartime June 15, 2010 at 12:11 pm #

    Detroit, most of my students were young women so the pressure on them NOT to read was enormous. Some of them could easily have moved on to GED classes, but all backed out when they realized the classes were co-ed. It wouldn’t be appropriate for a young married woman to sit in class with a man she wasn’t married to or related to. For real!

    I spent 3 hours per week with each student (usually I had 2). None of them went on to GED classes or job training. The professional educators who ran the program actually felt the best thing about it was receiving state and federal funding to get one-on-one with some unchurched young adults and a Bible. If a literacy instructor could get a student up to the level of reading those little cards the fundamentalists pass out in churches at election time, then it was all good. Job skills and self-reliance were secondary goals at best to getting the students to join a church and vote republican.

    I think all volunteer programs have some kind of hidden agenda, and I have no idea what kind of lasting influence I may have had on my students. I do know one who got pregnant to (supposedly) avoid going to GED classes (even though they supplied daycare) watched her teenaged daughter’s child so SHE could go to GED classes — and the daughter got her certificate and later became a nurse. Cultural change is a very slow process.

  18. Life During Wartime June 15, 2010 at 12:12 pm #

    Ditto a yay about switch4u. I love deleting resellers from my folder.

  19. blood, sweat and tears June 16, 2010 at 11:43 am #


    my pet peeves. i said i would quit etsy if they didn’t remove them….how long is too long. they seem to respond quickly sometimes. these are both commercial workshops selling in handmade category. if they sold components only there that would be one thing, but this is finished jewelry.

  20. blood, sweat and tears June 16, 2010 at 11:43 am #

    why am i moderated???

  21. blood, sweat and tears June 17, 2010 at 11:11 am #



    the same two sellers on alibaba!!! the israel depot has 5 employees and are simply resellers by their own admission, and the indonesian one self describes as manufacturer, distributer and wholesaler. QED

  22. FCFelt June 18, 2010 at 6:01 pm #

    Flagging is definitely a joke and I rarely bother doing it anymore.
    I must be in a mood or something because I’ve never done this before…but I just sent a convo to the seller who has “too much stuffs and not enough time to wear all of them”:
    Awesome shoes! Did you make these? Or are they vintage (20 years or older)? I know they’re not crafting supplies…I was just wondering, because items have to fit into one of those three categories (handmade by you, vintage, or supplies) to be listed and sold on Etsy per their Terms of Use.

    Listing: http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=48280971

    I figure that was good enough to pass as a “friendly reminder” if the seller truly doesn’t know she’s doing anything wrong (even though that’s no excuse)…

  23. detroit June 18, 2010 at 8:07 pm #

    Waaaay late in responding. Sorry!!

    LDW – thanks for your input. Cherchez la money – right?

    I’m considering different literacy groups – pr-ekin or adults who need help.

    At first I was leaning towards the children… but now I think adults need help now. NOW!!!

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