18 Jun

Yeah, look at their prices, their profile and then tell me everything is handmade.

kissgems’ Shop Announcement

We sell Necklace, Bracelet, Earring,Ring,Brooch,Etc.,Natural Gemstone Jewelry,Pearl Jewelry,Turquoise Jewelry,Coral Jewelry,Jade Jewelry,Jasper Jewelry,Quartz Jewelry,Shell Abalone Mop Jewelry,Fashion Jewelry,etc, you may wholesale or order as your good idea!
Do Miss US~!
Thank you so much for visiting my shop! i will supply the best goods with the wholesale price and the best service for you!

2 bracelets for .98 cents

26 bracelets/earrings for $1.98


we come from China’s heart Beijing , have been a specializes manufacturer, importer and exporter in natural gems .Our main products are freshwater pearls , AKOYA pearls , shell pearls,turquoise, coral,crystal,jade etc, arts and loose,thousands and thousands of gems, we have various type of necklace, pendant, bracelet, earring stud,ring,brooch etc, and at the same time, we can also make them as your requirement or your pictured. To Provide best products, best price and best service!


67 Responses to “kissgems”

  1. blood, sweat and tears June 18, 2010 at 9:42 am #

    what i wrote:

    “we will probably take all our stuff off etsy later today, my husband is sick of this, says he doesn’t want to be associated with a site that encourages this crap. we are real artisans, supporting ourselves with our OWN work. i will make a statement on the forums too. this whole store violates the tou’s as does silverfusion925, israeldepot, and many others. i just filled out a survey yesterday here. took a long time, so what is etsy doing with that info????”

  2. Amy June 18, 2010 at 9:59 am #

    ARGH! This shop has been on Etsy nearly 2 months! I am a jewellery seller and this is really upsetting. The prices are just insane – how could I EVER compete with this. On Etsy I shouldn’t have to.

  3. Cat Power June 18, 2010 at 10:06 am #

    This shop and all the other resellers, makes me wish I were a hacker, and could go into each and insert a worm or deadly virus.

    Anybody out there with the capabilities, might want to give us a hand here, if it is possible to do just to individuals, rather than the entire Etsy site.

  4. Amused June 18, 2010 at 10:19 am #

    This one still there and so obvious too. Etsy feels like a lost cause.

  5. Life During Wartime June 18, 2010 at 10:20 am #

    Etsy = Sweatshop products R Us

  6. blood, sweat and tears June 18, 2010 at 10:25 am #

    well, we are definitely removing our items for sale today, one has to take a stand sometime. if all of us who hand make our original jewelry removed our listings, (you can save your copy in a file) and i mean really remove, not just deactivate, then maybe they would get the message. i know that some have already left in disgust.

  7. L June 18, 2010 at 11:48 am #

    Horrible Tags! In fact, all the tags used are everything BUT what the item is!!!

    Seller: Tags for this one REALLY blow my mind!!!

    ( children, accessories, baby, boy, girl, leg warmers arm, legwarmers, baby legs, ec elimination, communication, cloth diaper, toddler ) What is ec elimination or communication as tags? Really?

    This seller mistags quite a few items!

    And then there is this:

    Description: This hat will fit 0-3 weeks old.

    This item is ready to ship.

    Custom Orders: I am sorry. I do not take custom orders for crochet hats. Everything I list will be ready to ship.

    No materials listed either. I wonder why…

    and this:

    A onsie tagged as: children, accessories, baby, boy, tshirt, short sleeved, long sleeved, clothing, socks, onesie, neck tie, applique, leg warmers arm, legwarmers

    *Long Sigh*

  8. Cosmic Yuk June 18, 2010 at 12:59 pm #

    Ahahahaha! I love their description here:

    “Unique Design, Only one Stock! Do not Miss it !!”

    And right above it (3 active listings) is the same exact bracelet available.

    You know what the sad thing is, I make jewelry too. And much of their stuff is beautiful, I love this: and the price is so low I could never make the same thing for what they are selling it for. Even as a seller of handmade, I’d be sorely tempted to buy it.

    And as for the survey, what a crock of shit that was. I put my favorite blogs as EtsyBitch, Regretsy and Calling Out on Etsy.

  9. blood, sweat and tears June 18, 2010 at 3:08 pm #

    kissgems is not gone but has no listings, though why they are not wiped off the site i do not know.

  10. PussDaddy June 18, 2010 at 4:55 pm #

    Oddly I am not missing Etsy really. I just walk into Walmart or the Dollar Tree and it feels like home.

  11. 1come1n9eace June 18, 2010 at 5:42 pm #

    kissgems got the kiss of death?

  12. Anon June 18, 2010 at 6:04 pm #

    ETSY – Extremely Trendy (re)Sellers? YES!

  13. blood, sweat and tears June 18, 2010 at 7:08 pm #

    well, i done did it!
    said my peace, therefore outing myself here. i don’t care. honesty is what i can do. it’s the lazy man’s way of going through life!

  14. wahwah June 19, 2010 at 4:26 am #

    I couldn’t find the thread, so you’re safe with me.

  15. Etsy Person June 19, 2010 at 5:38 am #

    And as for the survey, what a crock of shit that was. I put my favorite blogs as EtsyBitch, Regretsy and Calling Out on Etsy.
    Me too! Maybe they will get the hint.

  16. shopper June 19, 2010 at 7:47 am #

    cosmic yuk – I typed something quite similar in the survey, but got too scared and left the blogs I read blank! haha i was scared etsy would hunt me down or something.

  17. uh-huh June 19, 2010 at 8:08 am #

    The survey’s only point was to find out how much money we all make so they can gauge if we can afford it when they raise the fees.
    I’m not pessimistic at all.

  18. RocksInMySocks June 19, 2010 at 8:53 am #

    blood, sweat and tears, sorry it’s come to this. I’m so disgusted by what’s going on. Do you have a link to your thread? Would love to read it.

  19. Cosmic Yuk June 19, 2010 at 9:33 am #

    The thing that gets me about the survey is, if they even share the information in any way, it will likely be “most users spend $100 or more a month on Etsy” or “most users come to Etsy several times a week”.

    What they won’t tell y ou is how many “users” there are, and how many of them are sellers versus buyers. And how many users there are on Etsy and what percentage of them responded to the survey.

    How likely is someone who only comes to Etsy once a month going to happen to come to the site at the same time as the survey?

    I think they’re trying to ascertain if people care whether or not they come to buy handmade or come to find stuff cheap to justify keeping resellers.

  20. blood, sweat and tears June 19, 2010 at 10:37 am #


    i split up the link just take out the space between com and the /

    the last couple of pages…..
    the list of shops upthread should be enough to get a bunch of people to do what i did. if you are not making 10% of your total income- total- from etsy, you can do this, and from what i see, very few are….. i will maybe go to a site who doesn’t even give lip service to handmade…..hypocrisy is worse than frank retail.

  21. PussDaddy June 19, 2010 at 11:26 am #

    Could anyone else make that split up link work?

  22. PussDaddy June 19, 2010 at 11:35 am #

    Never mind I got it to work. Well it it sad to see you go. Although I am not sure why as I am not there anymore either, lol. It is sad though to me that so many work so hard to handmake their stuff and end up leaving due to not being able to compete with resellers. People leaving probably makes it even harder for those who are on the up and up to get sales maybe, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do. I guess you can stay as a buyer and wade thru the crap to get to the good stuff and put up with all the handmade drama day in and day out, and I guess a seller can stay and put up with it too, or you can finally say to hell with it , it isn’t worth it anymore, because I know to me it wasn’t worth it anymore.

  23. Elektra June 19, 2010 at 12:14 pm #

    The fact is that Etsy is getting inundated with resellers stuff because the internet is finally becoming accessible to the low-wage foreign producers of our big box mart junk, and they are selling it at double the cost versus 10 times the cost like their American retailers importing it from abroad. We think their prices are low, but what we aren’t questioning is why the prices we pay in the US are so much higher for the same item sold under a legitimate brand. Case in point, I hand-print tshirts in the US that I pay $4-10 for from my suppliers, but I know they are made for only 25 cents in Asia. When I see them on Etsy sold by a Thai printer for only $10 with extensive machine-made embellishments, I’m pissed. They’ve already made a huge profit. But when I see the same tshirt at Diesel in NYC for $50, I don’t question the price, whehn it only cost 25 cents to produce in Thailand.

    The main issue is that Etsy is a handmade marketplace and needs to really clean out the factory-made junk if it wants to keep the reputation it started with as the place to go for unique hand-made, vintage, or customized products…It’s becoming too much like eBay, but with nicer photos. I am going to focus on the wholesale side of my own Etsy business, knowing the viability of their marketplace is short-lived….

  24. Life During Wartime June 19, 2010 at 1:20 pm #

    Etsy is now forcing sellers who make their own items to compete with overseas factory labor. Which is what the founders of Etsy told us would not happen on their site.

    Since Etsy wants to be a ‘global’ marketplace, how did they ever expect to keep mass-producers from setting up shop?

    Maybe I don’t know how to search, but how many individual artisans or small Etsy-defined collectives are there from, say, China on Etsy? I really don’t know. Based on what I read in the news, I would have thought an individual artisan working from their apartment in China would have issues obtaining the kind of internet connection required to have an Etsy shop. Not because China doesn’t have the technology, but because they monitor internet access by individual citizens. Anyone out there who is better informed about the life of an individual artisan in China, please help me out here!

  25. Elektra June 19, 2010 at 1:30 pm #

    Life During Wartime: I don’t know personally about China, but I lived recently in Japan for 2 years, visiting India, Indonesia, and Thailand….My experience is that internet is available to everyone via local street cafes. I’m sure that for those who are just starting, they set up shop via these cafes if they can’t afford a setup at home…I think that China censors emails containing certain ‘characters’ (their alphabet) that reflect censored themes like politics. I would assume that income generation via online or brick and mortar stores is not censored unless the merchandise is pertaining to illegal themes, like political zines, anti-communism tshirts, etc… Judging by the quantity of Etsy stores in China shipping ‘hand’ knit softgoods and jewelry, there is obviously no censorship issue…While we’re all annoyed by these stores, the other issue is the US-based resellers who buy from Alibaba and re-sell the same Asian goods with no alternations/customizations….

  26. Life During Wartime June 19, 2010 at 1:54 pm #

    Thank you, Elektra. That’s not so convenient having to head down to the cafe to manage your online business. Especially for shops that keep 100 or more active listings in their shops most of the time.

    Maybe I am just spoiled, but I can’t imagine doing a listing without the item being right to hand. Maybe because I sell vintage stuff I didn’t make (obviously), where every piece is different from all the others.

  27. Cat Power June 19, 2010 at 2:10 pm #

    I just flagged all of the shops that FedUp posted above. I’ve given up writing anything intelligent to the people who supposedly read them…just click, dropdown, click not handmade, click flag.

    It seems that Bangkok has discovered Etsy to be a terrific place to sell their crappy junk! Almost all of them were based there.

  28. detroit June 19, 2010 at 6:26 pm #

    I love., love , love the country of China- have visited on many occasions. Dragged friends there.

    They very easily have internet access there. Because they’re more recently ‘developed’ they actually have leapfrogged a bit, and tend to have more high tech stuff than we do.

    For example, I’ve visited extremely isolated towns in Tibetan regions – accessible from the major cities only by a 24 hour train ride, and an overnight bus journey from hell through the mountains. And the people I met in these towns had, other than their village, only been to the provincial capital once or twice in thier lives to shop. Yet, they had smartphones I’d never seen. And very easy internet access.

    And China doesn’t allow it’s currency to float on the open market. It is pegged artificially low to the dollar. Meaning – it’s impossibly expensive for them to buy things from us. But dirt cheap for us to buy things from them.

    That’s why they can offer a garment with a significant amount of labor involved for under $20. For them – when the currency is exchanged – $15.99 is a shit-ton of money.

    And – we (americans) allow this to happen. Because it’s EXTREMELY beneficial to certain elements who can hire lobbyists, (cough*walmart*target*gap*just-about-everything-else*cough)

    so, the CEO’s get rich. China emerges into the first world by killing its environment and making its people work like slaves. We buy a lot of crap we don’t need on our shitty service industry wages – since all the making of things has gone overseas…

    Oops! I twisted my ankle getting off my podium! lol.

    Sorry – I just love America. And I love China. And this pathological relationship fostered by rich corporations on both sides is not helping the ‘people’. Just the rich companies….

    And even filters down to places like Etsy – where we all are made to suffer.

  29. detroit June 19, 2010 at 6:39 pm #

    Oh yeah – and if anyone has an extra coupla G’s, and wants to have an amazing tour of China with someone who can speak a little Chinese – holla!!!

    Strolling on the tibetan plateau, in thin air, through mud hut neighborhoods with yaks running in the streets, hearing monks ritual chanting echoing down from the mountains is not something you’ll soon forget!

    You also won’t soon forget being laughed at by a bunch of Chinese people for being really stupid trying to negotiate something. If you understand Chinese – you won’t forget them, thinking you can’t understand, calling you fat, and saying you have a big nose – lol. Also, interminable waits in bus stations. Squat potties. People trying to rip you off. Pollution. Noise. The realization that a bunch of ‘third world’ people are dressed better than you, have better technology than you, and are better educated…

  30. Etsy Person June 19, 2010 at 7:04 pm #

    Sorry Detroit – no interest in going to a country that pretty much executes prisoners then guts them for their body parts. Won’t contribute to a society like that thru tourism.

  31. Life During Wartime June 19, 2010 at 7:12 pm #

    I’d love to go, Detroit, but I don’t think I could handle the flight with my health problems, let alone the rest of the trip.

  32. detroit June 19, 2010 at 7:12 pm #

    Um – aside from China – we here in the US of A execute record numbers of people. We are one of the few (only?) western nations who carry out this barbaric practice. I wouldn’t be surprised if, per capita – we execute more people her than in China.

    And yes, many, many of our prisoners are political prisoners here too.

    It truly makes me sick. Yet, I wouldn’t want to discourage people from visiting the US. Let the sun shine it. And clean out the cobwebs and kill the germs.

  33. detroit June 19, 2010 at 7:25 pm #

    Oh – sorry Etsy Person. I assumed you were American. We americans tend to do that – lol!

    If you’re from a country that does not kill its citizens – cool. I assume you’d never visit the US then (based on your principled stance), since we employ similarly brutal tactics as the Chinese. And the Iranis.

    Ahhhh, such good company we keep!

  34. detroit June 19, 2010 at 7:32 pm #

    Life During Wartime Says:
    June 19, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    I’d love to go, Detroit, but I don’t think I could handle the flight with my health problems, let alone the rest of the trip.

    Well, in the major cities in China the accommodations are similar to those in the US.

    But – travel can be grueling – you’re right. That’s what I love about the internet. We now have access to mountains of pictures and stories from around the globe! Armchair travel is better than ever!

  35. Fed UP June 19, 2010 at 10:17 pm #

    Just making sure everyone was seeing this thread –

  36. Amused June 19, 2010 at 10:32 pm #

    I saw it earlier. Still open.

  37. Amused June 19, 2010 at 10:39 pm #

    I love a good self call-out in the forums.

  38. blood, sweat and tears June 19, 2010 at 10:43 pm #

    if i was really thinking i would never come back to etsy, i would post that list above, without comment!

    if i was a buyer only i think i would.

  39. Amused June 19, 2010 at 10:51 pm #

    OOO, and just to make a great soap opera Etsy style, the promo queen has started this thread in relation.

  40. Bootsy June 19, 2010 at 11:10 pm #

    Amused Says:
    June 19, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    OOO, and just to make a great soap opera Etsy style, the promo queen has started this thread in relation.

  41. Life During Wartime June 20, 2010 at 1:50 am #

    Idea2LifeStyle has been called out since the days of the Flaggy blog. That’s like 3 years now?

  42. huh June 20, 2010 at 5:13 am #

    “And China doesn’t allow it’s currency to float on the open market. ”

    No so anymore.

  43. JohnCock June 20, 2010 at 5:35 am #

  44. Etsy Person June 20, 2010 at 6:43 am #
    Always nice to use the label “racism” to deflect any problem what so ever! Shows that there are a lot of people out there who do not see cause and effect. I wonder if the Brits are calling the Americans racists because the Americans want something done about the BP oil spill?

  45. JK June 20, 2010 at 6:54 am #

    As found in the promo queen’s thread, here’s a great shop full of ‘vintage’ straight off of the thrift store’s clearance rack* and fresh out of the sweatshop as well:

    (*I’ve found some great genuine vintage at thrift stores, mind, but there are some things even the most ridiculously-overpriced-used-stuff places can tell is crap.)

  46. detroit June 20, 2010 at 6:58 am #

    huh Says:
    June 20, 2010 at 5:13 am

    “And China doesn’t allow it’s currency to float on the open market. ”

    No so anymore.

    I know – I’m very intrigued to see what will happen. Somehow I don’t expect any monumental changes. Too much riding on the status quo on both sides.

  47. Etsy Person June 20, 2010 at 7:50 am #

    Lovely. One of the designers they describe as “commensurate” (huh?) and from the 1960s seems to have begun designing in the 1990s. Always great to see plastic Walmart purses described as from the 1950s.

  48. JK June 20, 2010 at 8:34 am #

    Made in China 1950s purses, no less! We were the best of pals with them at that time, after all.

  49. wahwah June 20, 2010 at 8:40 am #


  50. JohnCock June 20, 2010 at 9:39 am #

    There is no way that chain scarf is 60s or 70s.

  51. Life During Wartime June 20, 2010 at 10:44 am #

    Right, about the chain scarf. Because, if the scarf isn’t new, how does the seller know to put a ‘recyled’ tag on it?

    And this listing for a contemporary Plus Size top:

    The maker, Alyn Page, has only been in business since 1992. A vintage 70s size 18 was like a 40 inch bust, which is only borderline plus in today’s sizing. This item is retro Pucci style, less than 10 years old.

    This shops looks like a bunch of newish stuff dragged in from the thrift shop clearance rack.

  52. Life During Wartime June 20, 2010 at 10:47 am #

    Alyn PAIGE, not Page. I can’t type today.

  53. JK June 20, 2010 at 11:01 am #

    But she lists ‘vintage goodness’ in the materials! That makes it legit vintage, right? Just the way ‘handmade with love’ in the description turns a mass-made item into a handmade one.

  54. Life During Wartime June 20, 2010 at 11:55 am #

    JK, I think you’re on to something. Is there a dictionary out there of what words like ‘vintage’ mean on Etsy, because there should be!

    Vintage on Etsy is just a buzzword. Even the vintage-related teams say in their profiles they include sellers who use ‘vintage’ as raw materials. Don’t get me wrong — I’d have no objection to ‘big tent’ vintage teams if I had an Etsy shop. But where are the teams for shops that sell vintage (not restricted to clothing and other wearables) and ONLY vintage? When I couldn’t find any, I thought WTF.

  55. JK June 20, 2010 at 2:18 pm #

    Seriously? I had no idea that the teams were that lax. Sounds like Etsy is due for a team that offers a higher standard.

  56. Life During Wartime June 20, 2010 at 4:49 pm #

    I’m not sure I would call it ‘lax’. More like unfocused.

    Maybe having teams that included shops that sell handmade from vintage materials was considered a way for the vintage shops to make sales — to the crafters who use their inventory as raw materials. Like, buy vintage items to alter/repurpose from a team mate before looking at unaffiliatated shops. Dunno.

  57. detroit June 20, 2010 at 7:06 pm #

    JK Says:
    June 20, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Made in China 1950s purses, no less! We were the best of pals with them at that time, after all.

    LOL – WTF??? Yeah, who knew?? In the 50’s, when China was undergoing the collectivization of agriculture, mass famine, and people only wore Mao suits and their little red book, that they were making gaudy, plastic, pink 80’s purses?

  58. detroit June 20, 2010 at 7:15 pm #

    I think Etsy is a current example of the oldest story in the book:

    Little people have a cute little idea.

    The zeitgeist is right. It catches on.

    More powerful interests, smelling money, become involved, the lawyers and the b-school grads move in.

    Original idea is lost in the pursuit of maximizing profit, and increasing shareholder dividend, yadda.

    Public gets bored with the now bland thing. And another one bites the dust….

    What will save a little person, with a little idea from this fate?


    Something Etsy doesn’t have.

    Many great artists, people with ideas, craftspeople are confronted with the chance to GROW EXPONENTIALLY! MAKE BIG BUCKS! BRING YOUR IDEA TO THE WORLD!!

    Those who resist, still have a sustained business.

    Those who don’t, become a passing fad.

  59. detroit June 20, 2010 at 7:34 pm #

    Sorry – just another related thought. I was talking to a local Lebanese deli owner (friend of the family) who does a lot of amazing catering. He and his wife have been in business since the 70’s.

    He said, over the years, he’s been approached by big chains, wanting to stock some of their products. BUT, they’d have to radically change recipes for shelf life issues, add preservatives, shrink wrap stuff in plastic…..

    He’s always refused. Sure, maybe one of those deals would have made him rich. But it would have completely taken him away from his goal – of making authentic, fresh, high quality food.

    So, they plug away at their deli. They’ve made a nice, but not ostentatious, lifestyle for themselves. Sent kids thru college, etc. And are still happy with what they’re doing, and proud of their products after all these many years.

    lol -as career counselors say. ‘Etsy, where do you want to be in 20 years? Is what you’re doing now compatible with that?’

  60. Etsy Person June 20, 2010 at 8:32 pm #

    JK Says:
    June 20, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Made in China 1950s purses, no less! We were the best of pals with them at that time, after all.

    LOL – WTF??? Yeah, who knew?? In the 50′s, when China was undergoing the collectivization of agriculture, mass famine, and people only wore Mao suits and their little red book, that they were making gaudy, plastic, pink 80′s purses?
    Yes they were making them by hand too!

  61. Life During Wartime June 20, 2010 at 9:48 pm #

    Sounds like the legend of mass consumer goods made in China in the 50s iwas created by the same mindset as the legend of mass consumer goods made in Japan during the 40s — specifically during WWII!

  62. JK June 21, 2010 at 6:50 am #

    Detroit, there’s a company like that in my town with a similar story. Offered a contract with a national retailer — but the catch was altering the product. They turned it down, and instead of their business being damaged by keeping it local it’s developed a very devoted following, the kind where people bring an extra suitcase when visiting so they can fill it up.

  63. Cosmic Yuk June 21, 2010 at 11:03 am #

    Racism? really? (referring to littleput’s thread)

    I don’t consider myself racist, perhaps a bit ignorant when it comes to other cultures, but I try to keep an open mind.

    Heck, I live in New York, I could buy wholesale items from overseas and resell them. The location of the seller has very little to do with determining whether or not someone is reselling.

    Does it make a seller from overseas a little more suspect? maybe. But I still look at the items themselves when trying to determine if someone is reselling.

    Is it racist to think that an overseas seller of gemstones or pearls might be able to provide lower pricing because they are more connected to the source of those things?

  64. stinkypants June 21, 2010 at 11:52 am #

    Ugh. I wonder if littleput is all high and mighty – and wrong – because she has made lots of sales and can afford to talk out her ass.

  65. JOINAA June 21, 2010 at 1:44 pm #

    This is how littleput promotes herself, and it’s a big turnoff…..she’s been doing this shit for years. Controversy=visibility. It’s pretty obvious, using loaded words like “racist” in your title.

  66. PussDaddy June 22, 2010 at 1:26 pm #

    The world of handmade often appears to be a tad bit more cut throat than executions and gutting people for body parts ever will be.

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