Chrisandcori

23 Jun
I flagged this shop a couple of weeks ago and included the links to the new stuff, but nothing has been done  by Etsy.  I also sent the shop owners an email telling them that their items were new, not vintage.  I did not receive an answer (no surprise).
They seem to stay purposely small to fly under the radar.  They sell the same brand new “vintage” items over and over – check out the sold items.
Here are the links for the same items that can be purchased on the internet for half the price this shop sells for:

And while I am at it, here is another shop who sells the same imported stuff, slaps a coat of paint on it, and calls it “handmade” .  They have over 700 sales in their shop, and get featured in plenty of treasuries.  And they say ,
“My items are original designs. Please don’t copy. ©riricreations2010 “

**Eco realizes that by a coat of paint riri becomes Etsy legal but it still is unfair to valid metal smiths and we always get ticked when people buy from wholesalers and then suddenly it’s under their copyright.**
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41 Responses to “Chrisandcori”

  1. JOINAA June 23, 2010 at 10:00 am #

    Yup. I bought that identical iron bird hanger thing from Tuesday Morning a few years back to hand the dog leashes on. Total bullshit.

  2. uh-huh June 23, 2010 at 10:06 am #

    But…. but…. but….. it’s sooooo preeeeeetty! And it looks all shabby and vintagey! And it’s got a bird on it! Let’s put it in Etsy finds!

  3. blood, sweat and tears June 23, 2010 at 10:28 am #

    lies and the lying liars….
    slap some paint on anything, and do it poorly and that’s even better, shabbier, and it’s handmade…..charm on chain….there should be something about fundamentally altering something.

  4. Cosmic Yuk June 23, 2010 at 10:28 am #

    I see CrissandCori just emptied their shop…….

  5. toastycrackers June 23, 2010 at 10:35 am #

    About the stuff that’s just painted.. I’m not a fan of painting something and not mentioning “oh, by the way, all I did was paint these.” I think many people will erroneously think everything about them was handmade by the seller.

    However, with the popularity of things like “upcycled” and “reclaimed” photo frames being painted, I don’t think anyone is going to stop selling things like this.

  6. blood, sweat and tears June 23, 2010 at 10:49 am #

    upcycled and reclaimed though is for used/vintage items, isn’t it really? rhetorical question….

    i do see a surge of outrage on the forum, which is good. if someone wanted to start a selling site which took all the suggestions tendered, i would try it!.

  7. Life During Wartime June 23, 2010 at 12:37 pm #

    You can find a bunch of shops selling these things on Etsy, even painted in the same colors:

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/49825101/anchors-away-cast-iron-wall-hook-red

    Same piece is in riricreations.

  8. bellacruz June 23, 2010 at 1:07 pm #

    I’m not sure how that’s handmade (anchor), isn’t that referred to as “refinished”?

  9. bellacruz June 23, 2010 at 1:08 pm #

    oh, and for some light reading:

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6553257&page=1

  10. RocksInMySocks June 23, 2010 at 1:32 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/49558710/bird-cabinet-knobs-drawer-pulls-6-bird

    from this listing in riricreations shop:

    These have been very popular little bird knobs~ SO SHABBY CHIC on powder room doors, bureau in the nursery, anywhere you’d like a touch of whimsy~ these little birds were brown ’til I painted them, distressed them a little~simply Adorable! Most of my cast iron hooks I’ve found in antique shops ~these are the only knobs I’ve rescued; I bring them home, clean them up, and paint some of them. Some we attach to reclaimed oak that our neighbor saved after Hurricane Katrina; sometimes we attach them to painted pine Tommy makes in his shop. But these, oh they were just too cute to attach them to anything~I figured you’d want to decide where to put them in your home.

    Thanks for stopping by, and have a blessed day!

    ———————————————

    WTF! is she trying to say she found these in an antique store and “rescued” them? And the reference to Hurricane Katrina? Always good to incite some sympathy, I guess. Do blessings from a big fat lying liar even count?

  11. Life During Wartime June 23, 2010 at 1:44 pm #

    Thanks for the link to that thread.

    I want to know what happened to the automated (SCRAM bot) ‘marketplace integrity’ tool? If the art/painting shops get to stay open now — and they used to be closed almost immediately — what happened to SCRAM?

    A lot of the callouts made here could be detected by software. And I mean -detected- rather than automatically deleted.

    The unpleasant burden of flagging has to be lifted from the Etsy community. The only flags admin should be getting after 5 years (is it that long?) are for unusual cases or situations. Most of the stuff called out here fits into a list of relatively few types of violations. If there are patterns to descriptions/titles/tags/types of items in reseller shops, software can find most of them for review. This won’t happen on Etsy as it is now, though, because the staff is still featuring violations on the site. Resellers and non-vintage in vintage is either the way Etsy is intended to be for now, or the staff is too stoopid to recognize the problem. Personally, I don’t think the staff is stoopid; they’re just following orders like good little spear carriers for the suits.

    For now, if you want to buy and/or sell on Etsy, you have to accept that resellers, fake vintage, tag/category abuse are the way things are on the site. I don’t think complaining in the forums will help.

  12. Life During Wartime June 23, 2010 at 2:16 pm #

    So funny, RocksInMySocks! Because the other shop that sells the same red cast iron anchor as riri says this in her Profile:

    “monkey and squirrel (named after my two kitties) is full of fun little goodies for both you and your home. my cast iron pieces are all found at salvage yards, in much less then perfect condition. refinishing these tiny treasures, restores them to their former glory days and helps bring a bit of whimsy into your home.”

    Yeah, right? The glory days of sitting packaged on a shelf at a wholesale importer’s warehouse?

    As for riri, her sold items show she’s done a bit of reselling here and there, listing manufactured items in handmade or vintage. If I post multiple links, my comment will be invisible. So check page 26 (reselling under handmade) and page 12 (reselling under vintage) of riri’s sold items for the pumpkins and copper birdies.

  13. Sarah June 23, 2010 at 2:25 pm #

    The best part is that these items are practically textbook examples of what Etsy’s last marketing update said they were looking for. We’ll probably be treated to the sight of them on the FP a dozen times or more in the coming few weeks.

  14. Sarah June 23, 2010 at 2:27 pm #

    Oh goody, despite being logged out of wordpress, that sure does look like my picture next to my comment. I hate computers. I think I’ll go change that avatar to my dog.

  15. detroit June 23, 2010 at 2:44 pm #

    I’m reading the link to the old ‘Tech Update’ that LisaJune provided on page 5 about SCRAM – in which they proudly trumpet that, since implementation, SCRAM has detected ‘hundreds of potential resellers.’

    Um, I can browse thru Etsy for a few minutes, and ID hundreds of ‘potential’ resellers.

    While I’m certain that a technical fix can be PART of the solution, resellers are infinitely creative.

    I hate to say it Etsy employees, but someone’s going to have to walk away from the plushy typewriter, shake off the cupcake crumbs, and actually LOOK, and review the content and the flags, and the emails, and the complaints. A human.

    Plus, I would think SCRAM would be programmed to detect, as stated in the article, a shop that posts HUNDREDS of items, and floods the category. Like the sweatshop paintings.

    But, it seems, in the past, these blatant violators were taken down rather quickly.

    Now, we can see, they’re allowed to remain. Make many sales. How is the SCRAM bot helping exactly?

    Oh, right. It’s all top secret. If you told us, the resellers could get around it. lol.

  16. insaneinthebrain June 23, 2010 at 2:52 pm #

    Handmade, REALLY?
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/LiveLaughLoveShop

  17. bellacruz June 23, 2010 at 3:53 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/38831353/big-patina-bangle?ref=v1_other_2

    Do we really need to ask if this is handmade by the seller?

  18. Cat Power June 23, 2010 at 4:08 pm #

    bella, you can see the plastic cord at the back holding the tag that is hiding behind it.

    I’m just disgusted with the whole scene, and really don’t see any changes occurring in the near…or distant….future!

    So much for ideals and integrity. It’s a shame that the site had to start going down hill after 2006, but the steady decline in anything resembling integrity has hit rock bottom and I would love to see it come around and bite them in the ass.

    But it’s always the shameless ones who reap the profits, and leave the rest of us to hang in the wind with our ideals and honesty for company. Unfortunately neither of those things pay the bills and we can only hope that we will be rewarded in the great beyond…if there is one. Jaded? Me? Nawww!

  19. bellacruz June 23, 2010 at 4:18 pm #

    Cat Power, I missed the tag! Good eye!

  20. Sarah June 23, 2010 at 4:26 pm #

    Did you see the items in the “sister shop” they mention in their shop announcement? http://www.etsy.com/shop/UrbanLaneNY (though they don’t disclose having any other accounts anywhere in UrbanLaneNY)?

    You don’t often see metal smiths who don’t bother to say anything whatsoever about themselves or their trade, they’re usually so proud of all the work that goes into their art. Must be a pretty modest seller to hand make all that stainless steel jewelry and not say a peep about themselves.

  21. JohnCock June 23, 2010 at 4:43 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/FMNVintageTreasures

  22. insaneinthebrain June 23, 2010 at 4:47 pm #

    Sarah Says:
    June 23, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Did you see the items in the “sister shop” they mention in their shop announcement? http://www.etsy.com/shop/UrbanLaneNY (though they don’t disclose having any other accounts anywhere in UrbanLaneNY)?

    You don’t often see metal smiths who don’t bother to say anything whatsoever about themselves or their trade, they’re usually so proud of all the work that goes into their art. Must be a pretty modest seller to hand make all that stainless steel jewelry and not say a peep about themselves.
    —————
    i can tell a place in my town where you can get those rings for $10 max

  23. Life During Wartime June 23, 2010 at 5:17 pm #

    Funny thing about how well brand new mass manufactured items match up to Etsy’s so-called trends. The designers for the factory items knew about those trends months (maybe years) ago, and had plenty of lead time to design and make the stuff which is then slightly altered or assembled for sale on Etsy. Someone who actually designs and makes their wares has to pay to get access to trend forcasting with that kind of lead time. By having these trends be the focus of promotions on the site, Etsy has basically pushed the sellers who are the least creative and do the least handwork on their items to the front of the line. And that sux.

  24. wahwah June 23, 2010 at 6:39 pm #

    http://www.freshtrends.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=1759&source=froogle

    Stainless steel barcode ring for 7.99, or buy it on etsy for 80.00.

  25. RocksInMySocks June 23, 2010 at 7:41 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/38016875/fourteen-hand-beaded-bangles

    Stunning set of fourteen thin and thick metal bangles, each hand decorated with colored seed beads and metal beads. Measures 1.75″ wide; with 2.5″ diameter – Fairly Heavy weight.
    The beads are intricately strung onto a thin metal strip using a technique used in India. They are then hand welded at the end to ensure durability. Each set takes me about 10 hours to complete and let me a sure you, they are complete perfection!
    These bracelets are SO beautiful and a perfect replica of the bangles worn by Royalty in India.
    {This listing includes a set of 14 bracelets!}

    Choose which color set you want:

    White/Clear
    {OR}
    Black
    {OR}
    Pink
    {OR}
    Teal
    {OR}
    Multi colored
    ———————————–

    Best. Description. Ever.

    All 14 bracelets for ONLY $36.50. Even though they take 10 hours to make not to mention supplies. The sad thing is that she’s buying them for WAY less and the person who actually IS making them is only getting pennies.

    There are a few items in this shop that are handmade but MANY more that aren’t. What a scam!

  26. RocksInMySocks June 23, 2010 at 9:38 pm #

    If only all the resellers would come to the forums and call themselves out . . .

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6556406&page=1

  27. Lisa June 23, 2010 at 10:26 pm #

    This happens everywhere and I HATE IT! I look for brocante finds on eBay and get this naff new crap. There oughta be a law against calling this stuff vintage or antique.

  28. Life During Wartime June 23, 2010 at 11:25 pm #

    Here’s the reseller that called themselves out in the Forums:

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/porcelainorigin

    The profile for this shop sez:
    “I love Chinese traditional crafts. They are so beautiful and delicate. So I’m searching around China and trying to find the origin and great crafts to share with people all around the world.

    Enjoy the shopping~”

    Yup — there’s that SHARE thing again. A well-programmed bot would have sent a notification – review this shop – to admin.

  29. bellacruz June 24, 2010 at 1:57 am #

    Confused about this shop:

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/karenlaneart

    What do you think? I don’t know what part is handmade?

  30. bellacruz June 24, 2010 at 2:06 am #

    O.K., so maybe the images are glued on to the case and then a clear top coat is added. The images are public domain? and so everything is probably on the up and up.

    Hopefully, we can just remove the shop link, as I don’t want to “call” out someone legit.

  31. Life During Wartime June 24, 2010 at 2:23 am #

    Here’s a reseller item that should win some kind of award for bad taste:

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/49131609/nypd-911-decoration-for-bravery

    The tags are shocking…9/11 is ‘noir’? This is some sick sh#t.

    This pretty much proves that cultural ‘insensitivity’ is not the exclusive behavior of white Americans.

    Oh, and the whole shop is factory made junque, listed as handmade. And some items are tagged with vintage as well. Should have been closed weeks ago.

  32. MadeByM**** June 24, 2010 at 5:25 am #

    Back to the cast iron knobs, etc………..I have always loved that stuff but I will shop for that at my local Hobby Lobby when they have their 50% sale…….and I know exactly where they come from because it says right on their tags “Made in China”.

  33. uh-huh June 24, 2010 at 5:44 am #

    oh man those bangle bracelets…… I bought a bunch of those while I was overseas and yeah they are dirt cheap and you can get them *everywhere*.

  34. detroit June 24, 2010 at 8:13 am #

    Oh God. Etsy has really stepped in it. By allowing all the resellers – do you know how FAST word spreads these days? I think a lot of these resellers don’t even realize they’re breaking the TOU. Clearly they wouldn’t announce that they’re trying to ‘share’ crafts from local artisans – if they knew that could get their shop taken down.

    They’ve just heard that their Uncle, Cousin, Sister, etc. all made big bucks selling a few items directly to Westerners on this Etsy site. They think it’s maybe for handicrafts – or something – whatever – just throw something up there, and if you get a few sales – jackpot!!!

    If Etsy didn’t allow it in the first place, they wouldn’t be popping up in exponential numbers. They’ve rewarded enough resellers, it’s an overwhelming tide about now.

  35. detroit June 24, 2010 at 8:17 am #

    And I hate that – ‘you’re racist’ shit too. It has nothing to do with someone’s ethnicity. It has to do with the fact that they live in the manufacturing center for the entire globe. And are allowed to easily resell on Etsy.

    It’s not their fault for wanting to make a buck or two. It’s Etsy’s fault for letting it happen.

    But you know, they’re all these twee Brooklynites, navel gazing and biting their lip, worried about being racist.

    When, in fact, they’re being passively racist – IMO. Letting all this anger and frustration build against East Asian based sellers, by allowing all the reselling in the first place.

  36. annoyed June 24, 2010 at 9:01 am #

    rather ridiculous…dizzy darling clothing, stock photos, magazine pics. http://www.etsy.com/shop/urbanromance

  37. Life During Wartime June 24, 2010 at 10:18 am #

    Who can blame the resellers for wanting an Etsy shop? They are lucky to get many takers for their items on Ebay at 99 cents to 10 bucks. Lots of Etsians never comparison shop, so the resellers might make more on one Etsy sale than they would for a month’s worth of sales on Ebay…for much lower fees, too.

  38. blood, sweat and tears June 24, 2010 at 10:25 am #

    more about urban romance….

    http://amourlyrique.com/limited.html
    ‘These items are purchased from various places. These items are vary limited in sizes, prices and availability. Chances are once its gone its gone! I don’t plan on restocking these items.’

    this is on their website linked (not live linked) from their etsy shop, with many of their etsy listings on that page…..

  39. blood, sweat and tears June 24, 2010 at 10:28 am #

    life during wartime, exactly….i used to sell minerals and our stone pendants on ebay, and i had to pay a lot of money to list for max 10 days, and so etsy is a giveaway for these resellers.

    20 cents for months, plus the commission is not high.

  40. ohboy June 29, 2010 at 11:43 am #

    bellacruz: that shop opened 3 months ago and has over 2200 items for sale? that makes it crap in my book. yuh, insert ripped off image onto mass-produced base made for this purpose, clear coat it and there ya go – handcrafted and unique! my ass…

  41. Jennifer July 6, 2010 at 1:07 pm #

    the sheer gall of this is enormously irritating to me… if monkeyandsquirrel’s owner found these “cast-off” cast-iron things in salvage yards or antique shops, they SURE wouldn’t be selling them for such cheap prices. I kind of wish I hadn’t found your blog, because it makes me sorta nauseous, knowing how much of this goes on at Etsy.

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