Memoirs Of A Geisha- ImagineStudio

28 Jun

Looks like the studio needs a little more imagination since they are incorporating a movie poster into art that is supposed to “resonate” in you.

http://www.etsy.com/listing/43731157/spirit-of-springjust-a-lttle-green-7x-9
image from ‘memoirs of a geisha’ movie poster http://dejavu2k9.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/memoirs_of_a_geisha.jpg

No mention of the copyrights on ANY of the images she uses in her images. Did they think by flipping the image that people wouldn’t notice?! Shameful!

Can you identify if there are any others??

UPDATE- Toaster gave more sources of other photos used illegally that are from present day so in no way, shape, or form could be considered “fair use” or “public domain”.

http://www.etsy.com/listing/50132814/le-temps-des-cerises
Original photo by Susanne Stemmer – http://imagesgonerogue.com/2009/12/xenia1.jpg http://fashiongonerogue.com/?s=xenia

http://www.etsy.com/listing/50255046/modern-contemporary-expressionist
Original photo by Denis Delbecq – http://effetsdeterre.fr/2009/11/30/copenhague-vu-de-paris/

http://www.etsy.com/listing/46613683/the-spirit-of-the-trade-winds
Original photo by Lachlan Bailey – http://asianmodelsblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/du-juan-editorial-for-vogue-china.html

http://www.etsy.com/listing/28828223/the-purple-wall5-x-7-archival-giclee
Original photo from Vogue July 2005 issue – http://forums.thefashionspot.com/showpost.php?p=778328&postcount=52

http://www.etsy.com/listing/44115142/modern-contemporary-expressionist
Original photo by Avesta – http://pixdaus.com/single.php?id=82858

http://www.etsy.com/listing/30782762/madame-paris-pantheon
Can’t find the photographer credit but the model is Alana Zimmer – http://www.tineye.com/overlay/d16032a65626b2d67b1294e219a7805bbb56edfb/886854b15e0f25ed163128c25a27bcc1325428ba05bda5cd93c3730df3a76ca7?m13=-8.10945&m21=0.00126495&m22=0.651805&m23=-21.3519&m11=0.651805&m12=-0.00126495

http://www.etsy.com/listing/39819863/paris-and-fleur-de-lysan-115-x-14
Can’t find the photographer/movie credit but the model is Evan Rachel Wood – http://www.smokingincinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/evan_rachel_wood_smoking_004.jpg

http://www.etsy.com/listing/40652578/i-wish-i-had-a-riverfine-art-archival
Original photo by Paolo Roversi – http://www.dropshots.com/photos/188764/20070221/104249.jpg

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197 Responses to “Memoirs Of A Geisha- ImagineStudio”

  1. wahwah June 28, 2010 at 9:50 am #

    Oh yes, doing the mirror image flip makes the theft completely legal.

  2. wahwah June 28, 2010 at 9:58 am #

    You know damn well she lifted this one, but I’m still looking for the real artist.

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/46218498/portrait-of-a-woman

  3. anon. June 28, 2010 at 10:09 am #

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/28712391/waiting-for-degas7-x-9-digital-photo?ref=v1_other_2
    Photograph by Alfred Eisenstaedt

    Can’t believe someone can be so ignorant and use copyrighted images, and worst of all, Etsy still promotes her shop and features her shop.

  4. MadeByM**** June 28, 2010 at 10:15 am #

    Sellers like this that are successful from stealing makes me sick. You can’t even make an honest living these days…..I try but it’s getting me no where.

  5. Wendy June 28, 2010 at 10:17 am #

    HA! shes got another one called Moon Child thats a rip off of someone else Moon pic. I have seen that photo come up on Google when you google “moon background”. Just because you know how to use photoshop to create cool looking photos doesnt make it right to steal other peoples art/photography and tweek it to sell it as your own on Etsy!! I would be pissed if someone did that to my artwork!!

  6. wahwah June 28, 2010 at 10:22 am #

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/39328178/once-upon-a-time-in-paris

    “Once upon a time in Paris…is a high quality limited edition fine art Giclee print of an original digital collage done by (me)Lyse Marion. ”

    Done by her. What a jerk!!!!!!!!!

  7. wahwah June 28, 2010 at 11:06 am #

    Here’s someone else who steals artwork and then watermarks it as her own.

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/oneofakindcreations4

  8. JK June 28, 2010 at 11:17 am #

    Wow, wahwah — those copied major league sports logos are *so* one-of-a-kind! You know, I hear those teams are rather particular about who uses their logos, and for what purpose.

  9. PussDaddy June 28, 2010 at 11:19 am #

    This shit is like watching a crappy comedy.

  10. JOINAA June 28, 2010 at 11:38 am #

    Garbage. Walmart competitors.

  11. JohnCock June 28, 2010 at 11:39 am #

    I found this one via an advert on craftcult….

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/sanghema

  12. JOINAA June 28, 2010 at 11:40 am #

    “You may notice that as a collagist I will often use master paintings or sculptures for the expression of my ideas, my emotions and reflections in my photomontage and photofusion artwork. Some of the master painters or sculptors that give flight to my imagination are: Bouguereau, Barbier, Chase, Collier, Degas, Lautrec, Menzel, Modigliani, Pascin, Sargent, Waterhouse, Vigeland, Homer, Monet, Rousseau, Redon, Seurat, Klimt and others. The images that I use are all in the public domain and therefore nolonger under any copyright laws. ”

    SO creative. I don’t see any masterworks here.

  13. boots June 28, 2010 at 11:48 am #

    JohnCock Says:
    June 28, 2010 at 11:39 am
    I found this one via an advert on craftcult….

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/sanghema

    _______________________

    is it wrong that i can’t help but see the word “smegma” when i look at that shop name!

  14. Disgusted June 28, 2010 at 12:13 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/50098985/loulou
    _____
    Tell me this isn’t Elizabeth Taylor?

  15. Life During Wartime June 28, 2010 at 12:19 pm #

    I was just checking my massive resellers folder, and monkeysnmermaids is GONE! As in erased from Etsy completely. This must be recent because Google still has tons of her items in its cache.

    Dare I hope that this is a sign of a change at Etsy that they are willing to close a successful reseller? And it only took them 16 months.

  16. Disgusted June 28, 2010 at 12:22 pm #

    You may notice that as a collagist I will often use master paintings or sculptures for the expression of my ideas, my emotions and reflections in my photomontage and photofusion artwork. Some of the master painters or sculptors that give flight to my imagination are: Bouguereau, Barbier, Chase, Collier, Degas, Lautrec, Menzel, Modigliani, Pascin, Sargent, Waterhouse, Vigeland, Homer, Monet, Rousseau, Redon, Seurat, Klimt and others. The images that I use are all in the public domain and therefore nolonger under any copyright laws. ”

    ____
    Uh, except for that 2005 one from the Geisha movie. Maybe she just forgot the extra zero on the date.

  17. detroit June 28, 2010 at 12:43 pm #

    I was just checking my massive resellers folder, and monkeysnmermaids is GONE! As in erased from Etsy completely. This must be recent because Google still has tons of her items in its cache.
    _______________________________

    Yeah – I’ve been stalking them. The junque shops with six sales are annoying. But the super-sellers, that resell third world market goods, or have their own frikken factory – that Etsy promotes to no end…those are the ones that bug me. M&M had thousands of sales.

    Do you all think they’ll ever get to idea2life? Etsy makes bank off them. And they’ve been clearly shown to sell massive amounts on the wholesale sites.

    What is their story? I think it’s ‘yes, they have a factory – but for the Etsy orders – the ‘team’ makes the items custom.’

    Then, space-time equilibrium is warped, someone at Etsy HQ drops a cupcake, and idea2life is judged ‘legal’!

    Yeah, Etsy, idea2life isn’t a factory, and I have a bridge in Brooklyn you may like to purchase…Oh wait, you’ve been selling that bridge to your customers over and over again, when they think they’re buying handmade.

  18. detroit June 28, 2010 at 12:45 pm #

    lol – maybe I should see if idea2life is hiring. They’re certainly busy. Seems like a better way to make money than having a genuine handmade shop on Etsy.

  19. RocksInMySocks June 28, 2010 at 12:52 pm #

    ImagineStudio has some of the most beautiful items on Etsy, IMO. If this is true, I’m SO sad. Is NOTHING sacred anymore?

    On a funnier note, check out this listing! I almost wet my pants from laughing so hard:

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/41235059/vintage-retro-future-80s-super-2000

  20. Linda June 28, 2010 at 1:09 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/49149359/fine-art-giclee-reproduction-printthe

    I don’t know the original photo, but the girl in it is Ashley Greene.

  21. detroit June 28, 2010 at 1:23 pm #

    I personally don’t care for this stuff – but it’s way better than the person making the Banksy prints. At least this person has taken the time to doodle on the pictures in Photoshop.

    Though, as Linda points out – contrary to their contention that the pictures they use are all old, and in the public domain – many of the pictures feature easily recognizable current celebrities and models.

    Remember the guy who made the famous Obama ‘Hope’ poster? Shepherd Fairy. When it was discovered what newspaper image he based the poster off, he had to pay royalties.

    I’m sure all the photographers who Imagine Studio takes from would like their royalties too.

    What she’s doing is akin to rap sampling – IMO. Just in a visual medium. Nothing wrong with it per se. Can even be used to create great art. But, as the rap producers learned….you have to pay up!

  22. detroit June 28, 2010 at 1:29 pm #

    Oh, sorry. The Fairy case isn’t over yet. However, his case against the AP photographer, Mannie Garcia, is so weak, his counsel quit, and he’s being urged to pay a settlement.

    Fairy was trying to argue that good ole chestnut, ‘fair use’.

    Fairy’s Obama poster was far more altered from the original than Imagine Studios are. So, I’m thinking the ‘fair use’ argument would not fly at all here.

    -So sayeth E-lawyer detroit
    lol

  23. Done and Done June 28, 2010 at 1:33 pm #

    Well, after reading post after post here for many months, and becoming more and more disgusted with the whole damn mess, I let all my items expire and canceled the last few.

    Boy, did that feel good! What a relief!

  24. uh-huh June 28, 2010 at 1:35 pm #

    “Future vintage”.
    What a concept.

  25. JOINAA June 28, 2010 at 1:57 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/50098985/loulou
    _____
    Tell me this isn’t Elizabeth Taylor?
    more like Natalie Wood

  26. Sandra June 28, 2010 at 4:01 pm #

    JOINAA Says:
    June 28, 2010 at 1:57 pm
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/50098985/loulou
    _____
    Tell me this isn’t Elizabeth Taylor?
    more like Natalie Wood

    *********

    I believe it is Louise Brooks

  27. Disgusted June 28, 2010 at 4:45 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/50098985/loulou
    _____
    Tell me this isn’t Elizabeth Taylor?
    more like Natalie Wood
    *********
    I believe it is Louise Brooks
    ____

    How about
    http://www.algoafm.co.za/assets/images/chicago_xl_01–film-a.jpg

  28. Life During Wartime June 28, 2010 at 5:19 pm #

    Detroit, after Idea2Lifestyle posted in the forums (last week, was it?) sufficient attention was drawn to a statement in their shop that they REMOVED the manufacturer’s branding tags from their items before shipping. Their items disappeared for a day or so leaving their shop open but empty, and then the stuff reappeared. The tag removal statement was edited to say simply that the items will not have a tag in them because they are scratchy and the wearer will only remove it anyway…or something like that.

    An example of Etsy bringing a much flagged seller ‘into compliance’. Sickening, really.

  29. RocksInMySocks June 28, 2010 at 6:01 pm #

    Etsy sucks reseller dicks.

  30. notimpressed June 28, 2010 at 6:02 pm #

    ImagineStudio’s images are lifted from the work of major painters and photographers, and the “doodles on top” are mostly lifts as well. Many of the beautiful paintings she uses are by French painter Bouguereau, including what used to be her avatar.
    Hers: http://www.etsy.com/listing/42987888/buy-one-get-one-free-see-shop
    The real thing: http://www.artgalleryartist.com/william-adolphe-bouguereau/gallery/imagepages/image154.htm
    Hers: http://www.etsy.com/listing/29899354/buy-one-get-one-free-see-shop
    The real thing: http://www.artgalleryartist.com/william-adolphe-bouguereau/gallery/imagepages/image96.htm
    Hers: http://www.etsy.com/listing/43804973/transformation-limited-edition-giclee
    His: http://www.artgalleryartist.com/william-adolphe-bouguereau/paintings/imagepages/image23.htm

    The paintings may be in the public domain, but the images really aren’t because there is a photographer somewhere who made them. Whether they are in the public domain or not, it’s lame to take another artist’s work, muck it up and then claim it as your own.

  31. pinks June 28, 2010 at 6:09 pm #

    Many, many of her base pictures are scanned advertisements from magazines. Wonder how the models, photographers, magazines, etc. would feel if they knew that.

    RE: Coca-cola-crapola and the team logos…whatthahell does she mean she is a “licensed seller” -ummm NOPE! No way would any of those entities sanction that crap. Seriously, how many items does have listed – almost 500? I’ve been googling trying to find out where to turn that seller in – if we get in trouble for re-using bottlecaps with logos – I can’t imagine huge corporations would be thrilled with that extra amateurish crap CLEAN/DIRTY dishwasher sign. I don’t have the stomach to tour her other “creations”.

    LOL, too much time on my hands, but sweartogod, someone has to keep turning these guys in to etsy. I’m sure they’re rolling their eyes everytime an email comes from me on the “Report this shop/item” but we have got to get it back to handcrafted! arghhhhhhhh

  32. notimpressed June 28, 2010 at 6:14 pm #

    ImagineStudio used to have a very thinly altered image using this photo of Marilyn Monroe by Bert Stern:
    http://www.bertstern.com/marilyn1.html

    It’s no longer in her shop. I think she changed the puffballs in some way. That was it. Really really bad copyright violation and unethical as well.

  33. forum rubbernecker June 28, 2010 at 6:31 pm #

    She is obnoxious, self promoing and she totally approves of resellers:

    “At priori..Etsy is a site that exists onto itself too make money. Please tell me why they would banish cheap items that many are interested to buy. Thus making increasing their personal income?

    Do you relaise that this is just a selling venue? Do you think that Etsy has any real concern for your personal needs and wants. This is a market place and resellers is what Etsy what will become….because greed always takes over in the end!”

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6556773&page=31

  34. Amused June 28, 2010 at 6:31 pm #

    Priceless from ImagineStudio in the forums, just posted.

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6560577

  35. wahwah June 28, 2010 at 6:39 pm #

    What an ass.

    If she has so much damn imagination, she should take her own damn photographs and photoshop them instead of stealing everyone else’s.

  36. detroit June 28, 2010 at 7:05 pm #

    Thanks LDW. I knew idea2lifestyle was in my mind for some reason! I really don’t harbor any ill will towards them, personally. I don’t hate the player – I hate the game. And the game is Etsy – who facilitates all this nonsense!

  37. wahwah June 28, 2010 at 7:21 pm #

    Deviantart.com requires proof that the artists have permission to use the stock art before they allow photomanip prints to be sold. Too bad etsy doesn’t have the same integrity. There is incredible art over there, much better than what seems to be available on etsy.

  38. Akhenaten June 28, 2010 at 7:27 pm #

    The Memoirs of a Geisha piece is now gone. Not sold, just removed. It was there when I started reading this thread, too.

  39. Lyse June 28, 2010 at 7:28 pm #

    Wow…amazing how you all take part in a tar and feather frenzy on someone whilst you are all wearing a kind of KKK mask since you are all unidentifiable. Would love to see your shops and what you are hiding in your closets besides skeletons.

  40. pinks June 28, 2010 at 7:28 pm #

    Wow, Toaster – excellent finds! Etsy may not care, but the photographers (being the original artists of IS’s “art” might)

  41. wahwah June 28, 2010 at 7:32 pm #

    You can be sure I don’t steal from real artists, Lyse.

  42. weareaware June 28, 2010 at 7:34 pm #

    Ah, dear little Lyse: I am not only an artist/crafter who creates ORIGINAL ART, but equally important, I am a BUYER. We absolutely have no obligation to let you know who we are. We absolutely have EVERY RIGHT to know that what you are selling as your original art is being misrepresented as yours when in in fact, all you did is tweak what a true artist did first. Anybody can use an already produced piece of orginal art and make their own marks on it, but for god’s sake have some integrity and DON’T lie that you made this all up in your own little exquisite imagination! I do not have a shop on Etsy, I sell in galleries (thank god) where there is actually some quality control.

  43. JOINAA June 28, 2010 at 7:41 pm #

    Lyse your avatar looks so……… familiar.

    Invoke the KKK or Hitler and you lose: See Godwin’s Law.
    I “imagine” that if you saw my shop you would have to shut the hell up pretty fast. My privacy is just that– not to hide my work, which is original and, may I say, outstanding. If this were a good place to advertise it, I would.

  44. digicop June 28, 2010 at 7:48 pm #

    Lyse, and you are…?

  45. PussDaddy June 28, 2010 at 7:56 pm #

    It is so funny because I have this book.

  46. PussDaddy June 28, 2010 at 8:06 pm #

    I think I am heartbroken now.

  47. Dee June 28, 2010 at 8:13 pm #

    cries, this makes me very sad….

  48. Cosmic Yuk June 28, 2010 at 8:29 pm #

    Lyse is imaginestudio! and her work graces the set of Warehouse 13 on the ScyFy channel!

  49. kitten June 28, 2010 at 8:40 pm #

    digicop Says:

    Lyse, and you are…?

    _______________________________

    I think Lyse is ImagineStudio.

  50. Andrea June 28, 2010 at 8:47 pm #

    loulou is Mischa Barton – http://www.batchplease.com/2007/05/mischa-barton-in-elle-france.html

  51. digicop June 28, 2010 at 9:11 pm #

    Yeah, I was bein’ rhetorical *wink* … David Spade did a funny bit on SNL where he was a snooty receptionist and he said that to everyone who came in for an appt. Phil Hartman was Jesus and it was pretty durned funny. Bottom line: don’t believe your own press – or is it something about being a legend in your own mind?

  52. digicop June 28, 2010 at 9:11 pm #

    another excellent find! Go Andrea!

  53. ohboy June 28, 2010 at 9:23 pm #

    So, to follow IS’s logic, morals and ethics, I’m thinking that I can use her collages (I’ve already downloaded the ones I want) and put them on T-shirts to sell! Veddy cool. uh-oh, watch out! I have Photoshop and know how to use it!

  54. Akhenaten June 29, 2010 at 2:58 am #

    “Lyse,” funny how you also used a pseudonym. Hah!

    Stealing the copyrighted, original photos and images done by other artists, then altering them in photoshop IS copyright infringement.

    Period.

    Though, I notice you don’t refute the use of the Memoirs of a Geisha image, or of any of the scanned model images you use. 😉

  55. Denis Delbecq June 29, 2010 at 4:09 am #

    Sorry for stopping your laughs, Akhenaten… I’m not Lyse, but the editor of Effets de Terre information website, and author of the iceland picture I spoke about on comment #57. I have no link with any “Lyse”, I had a message this morning from a reader that found this page, so that I wrote here this comment after having made some verification on my original Raw File…

    Look at the two images of icebergs shot in an Iceland glacial lake, and you’ll see nothing is counterfeit. Of course, my message concerns only this picture! No pseudonym, this my real name.
    Denis[at]delbecq[dot]net

  56. Blue Kitty June 29, 2010 at 4:11 am #

    Of all the things we can berate Etsy on for not taking action the issue of copyright is not one of them. Only a copyright owner can complain and have Etsy take action.

    Flagging such items only further clogs up the Etsy system so they don’t get round to the resellers and miss-taggers.

    If you find something you think is in breach of another’s copyright report it to the owner of the copyright for them to take action either through law or through Etsy or both.

    Most copyright owner’s will be only too pleased to know in order to protect their work.

  57. Blue Kitty June 29, 2010 at 4:14 am #

    I don’t believe I put “owner’s” argh – more coffee.

  58. wahwah June 29, 2010 at 5:04 am #

    Denis I don’t think anyone thinks your pic is fake. We are concerned that Lyse has stolen your image for commercial purposes.

    ohboy, that’s a fine idea!

  59. freckleyredhead June 29, 2010 at 5:11 am #

    @#58 Denis Delbecq – no one is accusing YOU of anything wrong. It appears that this Etsy seller has taken your artwork, (which is GORGEOUS, by the way!) photoshopped it, and is trying to sell it.

    Did you give her permission to do this?

  60. Denis Delbecq June 29, 2010 at 5:21 am #

    To #62 and #63. My only point was that after having carefully looked at the two images, I’m quite convinced that the Etsy seller has not taken my image as a basis. They are quite near, but many details differ, either on the ice and on the background. My opinion is that another (stolen?) image was modified by the seller. Looking at the image, the shot would have been taken some hour later than mine, perhaps on the same day!

  61. Denis Delbecq June 29, 2010 at 5:23 am #

    To #63, you can see some other of my recent shots from Iceland, Argentina and elsewhere in my website, item “En images” in the menu bar.

  62. uh-huh June 29, 2010 at 5:39 am #

    Amused Says:
    Priceless from ImagineStudio in the forums, just posted.
    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6560577

    …….. interesting, forum promo to ward off any bad feelings about one’s lifting of others’ works, and also to let everyone know how much money is being made?
    Would be also interesting if the people who in fact said they like “she, ImagineStudio”‘s items just took ‘her’ images and did in fact start putting them on pendants and selling them, though seems like “she, ImagineStudio” wouldn’t care?

  63. wahwah June 29, 2010 at 5:51 am #

    Making money off of other people’s work. I am so impressed. At least I can sleep at night knowing my work is honest.

  64. Lou June 29, 2010 at 5:59 am #

    Denis Delbecq Says:
    June 29, 2010 at 5:21 am
    To #62 and #63. My only point was that after having carefully looked at the two images, I’m quite convinced that the Etsy seller has not taken my image as a basis. They are quite near, but many details differ, either on the ice and on the background. My opinion is that another (stolen?) image was modified by the seller. Looking at the image, the shot would have been taken some hour later than mine, perhaps on the same day!

    The two pictures are the same all she has done is photoshopped the photo to alter the appearance a bit but trust me that is your photo.

  65. Denis Delbecq June 29, 2010 at 6:17 am #

    There are many (small but many) differences, and especially the position of the camera in front of the scene. Many differences in the ice, the background (it correspond to the real place, but was invisible at the time I shot…)

  66. notimpressed June 29, 2010 at 6:18 am #

    wahwah Says:
    Making money off of other people’s work. I am so impressed. At least I can sleep at night knowing my work is honest.

    And you can sleep at night knowing you’re not lawsuit bait. Imagine is really on thin ice. She might think that the alterations protect her, but there have been high profile cases where an image was completely changed but still recognizable, and the copier lost.

  67. Freckleyredhead June 29, 2010 at 6:22 am #

    Denis, that’s fine. Just wanted you to know that we aren’t accusing you of anything, except having fantastic photography. I’m jealous! 🙂

  68. detroit June 29, 2010 at 6:31 am #

    Well, regardless of where, or by whom, the picture was taken, I doubt Imaginestudio went on a photography journey to Iceland (or where ever).

    And I doubt she paid whoever DID take the pictures any royalties (assuming they would even agree to let her use their work.)

    Unless they ALL came from some royalty-free site? lol.

  69. MadeByM**** June 29, 2010 at 6:44 am #

    Well, I’m glad you think so, Denis, but, unless there’s another similar photo floating around out there on the internet, it sure looks like a section of yours! This seller’s “modus operandi” is very obvious!

  70. Disgusted June 29, 2010 at 6:48 am #

    Too bad there are so many thieves in the world like Imagine.

  71. marn June 29, 2010 at 7:01 am #

    IS bragging in the forums about her “art” being featured on TV, and purchased by “celebrites”:

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6557034&page=3

  72. Tired of all this shit June 29, 2010 at 7:16 am #

    I just did a quick photoshop layer of Imagine’s pic with the “original”. Sorry, Denis, it IS your pic and there is no doubt about it. Anyone can try it for themselves unless I can figure out a way to post it. I’ve never liked the shop as it’s not my style, but geezum, I had never taken a close look until now.

    BlueKitty, where is anyone flagging? I thought this was just a calling out, not a request to flag her shop.

  73. Denis Delbecq June 29, 2010 at 7:17 am #

    to #73. I send an email to Etsy, and contacted my lawyer specialized in intellectual property… One knows… Thanks for you for your encouragement about this image.

  74. Denis Delbecq June 29, 2010 at 7:31 am #

    To #76. Thanks for your efforts. I tried also after some homotethic+rotation on PS on the Etsy image, but I’m not very good at photoshop, I’m afraid…

  75. Laura June 29, 2010 at 7:42 am #

    She took all of her listings down. For all of that work, why not take your own pictures? I mean, why not avoid the whole copyright issue and photoshop your own? You can obviously digitally alter images very well, so just start with a base that you create.

  76. Blue Kitty June 29, 2010 at 7:48 am #

    Tired of all this shit Says:
    June 29, 2010 at 7:16 am
    I just did a quick photoshop layer of Imagine’s pic with the “original”. Sorry, Denis, it IS your pic and there is no doubt about it. Anyone can try it for themselves unless I can figure out a way to post it. I’ve never liked the shop as it’s not my style, but geezum, I had never taken a close look until now.

    BlueKitty, where is anyone flagging? I thought this was just a calling out, not a request to flag her shop.

    ………………………..

    Only a gentle reminder to contact the owners not Etsy in this instance.

    I’ve seen ‘flagging parties’ organised in the Etsy forum in the past over copyright issues and its one occasion it is probably pointless.

  77. Blue Kitty June 29, 2010 at 7:50 am #

    Its getting those really great base shots that is the hardest part though Laura.

  78. Blue Kitty June 29, 2010 at 7:59 am #

    That’s interesting, shop on vacation but the links still bring up the pages – of course the sold items are there anyway.

  79. Alli June 29, 2010 at 8:05 am #

    IS bragging in the forums about her “art” being featured on TV, and purchased by “celebrites”:

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6557034&page=3

    ——-

    What’s funny about that is that IS got the thread closed by bragging about how many times Courtney Love has shelled out for her wares, and offering to C&P private convos with her.

  80. notimpressed June 29, 2010 at 8:13 am #

    Laura Says:
    For all of that work, why not take your own pictures? I mean, why not avoid the whole copyright issue and photoshop your own? You can obviously digitally alter images very well, so just start with a base that you create.

    Well, really, there’s not that much fancy photoshop in her stuff. Layer one image over another, maybe make a mask to hold back part of it, apply a stock filter from the layer menu to meld the layers together. She has a good eye for selecting photos, but is not hugely skilled at photoshop.

  81. Laura June 29, 2010 at 8:27 am #

    I see! I’m not very familar with photoshop!

    That thread with her comment about how her art appeared on a show, but they bought the rights first just floors me! I mean, if I was her I would have been terrified. That takes some nerve to steal all of the images, not credit anyone, sell the rights to your “work”, and brag about it online.

  82. Disgusted June 29, 2010 at 8:32 am #

    I am sure she will reinvent herself as something else soon. What a fraud.

  83. ohboy June 29, 2010 at 8:41 am #

    ohmy…wonder how buyers would like to know they could have bought those inkjet prints for only $18.00.

    What’s ArtFire’s stances on the copyright violation and appropriation of original artists’ work?

    http://www.artfire.com/modules.php?name=Shop&page_no=3&display=20&op=new&sterm=&sort_cats=0&seller_id=12360&sc_id=0

  84. jenn June 29, 2010 at 8:59 am #

    marn Says:
    June 29, 2010 at 7:01 am

    IS bragging in the forums about her “art” being featured on TV, and purchased by “celebrites”:

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6557034&page=3
    ******************

    That’s a really tacky thread, imho.

  85. bellacruz June 29, 2010 at 9:42 am #

    Wow. All items are gone from the shop in question. I wonder why?

  86. t June 29, 2010 at 10:08 am #

    I contacted Suzanne Stemmer and got this reply:

    “nothing worse than selling someone else’s work as one’s own…I just wrote to etsy legal department and the “artist” and asked them to take the pic down immediately or I’ll have to take legal action.

    just one more thing: how did you know it was one of my images? –
    I also got the same info from someone using my website contact sheet…was that also you?

    :-)well
    thanks again for being aware and contacting me.
    I really appreciate.

    greets from vienna,
    yours
    susanne “

  87. box o' cookies June 29, 2010 at 10:20 am #

    depressing.

    I always liked this shop a lot, sucks to find out the images were taken from other photographers.

    It’s awesome to see that two of the photographers have already responded, hopefully this will be a lesson to the seller.

    can’t believe the nerve..just taking these photos right off of other websites..finally people took notice!

  88. MadeByM**** June 29, 2010 at 10:30 am #

    ECO and it’s followers did some good detective work today! Good job!

  89. Tired of all this shit June 29, 2010 at 10:31 am #

    After looking at her shop which I had never done before, did anyone honestly think they were originals? It seems pretty obvious to me that they were not. I mean, that is some serious photoshoots, models and traveling to set up.

    Laughable to think that the shop owner comes in here and tries to point the finger at others. I guess she thinks we’re as dumb and uninspired as her.

  90. wahwah June 29, 2010 at 10:34 am #

    Love you guys.

  91. Cat Power June 29, 2010 at 10:46 am #

    Good job, folks! Makes me proud!

  92. Cosmic Yuk June 29, 2010 at 11:05 am #

    I really liked her ‘art’ and was impressed by the fact that it was purchased by tv shows and celebrities.

    This just slays me because I would have no clue that none of this was original to her.

    Which brings me to another subject, what about jewelry? I know there is a lot of copyright infringement with using pictures from movies like Twilight and series like True Blood and Vampire Diaries, but what about copying the jewelry?

    Here is an example of something I ran across in Alchemy:
    http://www.etsy.com/transaction/30859763

    and then found that there is an official version: http://blog.seenon.com/hot-find-elenas-vervain-pendant-necklace-from-the-vampire-diaries-102/

    Isn’t this some sort of infringement? I can see something inspired by, but this is a direct copy meant to look exactly like it. And it’s not the only one on Etsy: http://www.etsy.com/listing/49942764/pre-order-vervain-herb-aromatheraphy

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/49129654/elenas-pendant-in-honor-of-elenas

    It seems like all people want are knockoffs of more expensive stuff.

    And if I see one more request for Anthropologie’s Stormy Seas necklace (priced at $55) for $30 or less I’m gonna scream.

  93. ohmeohmy June 29, 2010 at 11:30 am #

    OMFG!

    I see her in the forums all the time and thought she was this really great illustrator! Now I find out she rips off photos and manipulates them and leaves people thinking she created her stuff.

    DIsGUSTING! NO MORAL! I thought she was extremely talented.

    I am an illustrator.

    She is free to take her OWN photos and paintings and manipulate them, but come on…even if she DOES credit the true artist…it’s still disgusting and unethical and not praise worthy at all.

  94. ohmeohmy June 29, 2010 at 11:33 am #

    She’s in for a ton of lawsuits–this is very serious business!

  95. Blue Kitty June 29, 2010 at 11:36 am #

    Laura Says:
    June 29, 2010 at 8:27 am
    I see! I’m not very familar with photoshop!

    That thread with her comment about how her art appeared on a show, but they bought the rights first just floors me! I mean, if I was her I would have been terrified. That takes some nerve to steal all of the images, not credit anyone, sell the rights to your “work”, and brag about it online.

    ……………………………

    In that case could the purchaser be in trouble for “publishing” copyright works without permission?

    If they believe they purchased the rights (in all innocence) they could be using them in various illegal ways.

    Stealing images and selling them can have long term repurcussions.

  96. ohmeohmy June 29, 2010 at 11:48 am #

    she’s removing all her “offending” items, so please make screen shots when you flag.

  97. JohnCock June 29, 2010 at 11:59 am #

    ECO rocks.

  98. Freckleyredhead June 29, 2010 at 12:00 pm #

    YEAH! Go ECO!

  99. ohmeohmy June 29, 2010 at 12:02 pm #

    Someone should contact that Studio 13 or whatever it’s called.

    I am so disappointed! Etsy seems to be a place for liars and cheats, as well as resellers.

  100. box o' cookies June 29, 2010 at 12:12 pm #

    I’m disappointed too 😦

    ECO..more posts like this, pleease!!!

    Look what a difference this one made.

  101. WhatThe? June 29, 2010 at 12:25 pm #

    Wow! I am so disappointed by this! I’ve always loved her work and have featured her in many treasuries that I’ve made. I planned to buy a couple of her prints this week too.

    Shame on you, Lyse! You seem to have real talent. Why steal?

  102. Cosmic Yuk June 29, 2010 at 12:26 pm #

    Gosh, I wonder if it is really worth it to contact the show, it just might put them off from ever buying from Etsy again and true artists would be lumped in with all the rest. Besides, as much as I hate these things and want them to be gone, this kind of publicity we don’t need from an entity like SyFy.

    I say let the original artists know and let them deal with the copyrights in their own way. The big thing is to stop this ‘artist’ from continuing and it appears we did that.

    I’m just afraid that one of these days all these call outs are going to backfire and someone with deep pockets and a far reach is going to do some irreparable damage to a site that many depend on for an income who have done nothing wrong.

    Think about how many ‘everyday people’ read stuff here and decide not to shop on Etsy for fear of buying from a reseller or a copyright infringer or liar who misrepresents what they sell?

    Calling out is a double edged sword, it does help get rid of the rule breakers, but I think we ought to be careful too, that we don’t cut off our own nose to spite our face.

  103. notimpressed June 29, 2010 at 12:36 pm #

    I agree with Cosmic Yuk.

  104. detroit June 29, 2010 at 12:44 pm #

    One down, couple hundred thousand to go – lol.

    Yeah – that’s part of the burden with IP law. The rights owner bears the burden of enforcing their rights, Which is fine for Disney, or Coke – who can hire people to specifically look for violaters.

    But if you’re a one person shop – photographer, or whatever, and with the ease of stealing off the internet, it’s really hard to keep people from taking from you.

    Oh yeah, that post she made about how SyFy used her images – with permission OF COURSE! – was priceless. lol.

  105. detroit June 29, 2010 at 12:47 pm #

    Not sure on that one, Yuk. I definitely see what you’re saying…but, we should let offenders continue to junk up Etsy, just in the case that reporting it somehow MAY hurt legit stores?

    And, if I was a copyright holder, I’d be SO grateful to be notified. Likewise, if I had a piece in my store, or on the set of my TV show that was a rip-off, I’d really want to know.

    We here at ECO are pretty great – lol – but I don’t think that many people read here, or we’re THAT powerful – lol.

  106. Cosmic Yuk June 29, 2010 at 1:10 pm #

    No detroit, I didn’t mean not calling out here, I meant going as far as contacting Syfy. Definitely we should be contacting the copyright holders and letting these sellers know we’re on to their shenanigans, but someone mentioned contacting the show that bought this seller’s artwork and that, to me, is a slippery slope.

  107. Life During Wartime June 29, 2010 at 1:21 pm #

    Yuk, I disagree. In thousands of Etsy transactions, the buying public has been burned because they believed that the item(s) they purchased were authentic vintage or handmade by the seller.

    Maybe the folks at SyFy care, and maybe they don’t.
    Depending upon which images are on the set, they could be using someone’s work (what she copied) without permission from or payment to the original artist. Even if they recognized some of the basic underlying images used by IS, they probably assumed that IS had the appropriate permissions.

    The seller is a loose cannon if she offered in the forums to share business correspondence between her and a celeb, and the entertainment community should be able to find this out. This does not reflect on Etsy as a venue or on the honest professional artists, crafters, and vintage dealers. But buyers need to be aware that Etsy has no requirement that sellers have permission before they use/copy/alter other artists’ works.

  108. boots June 29, 2010 at 1:30 pm #

    to bring it back to the basics, she is putting graffiti on other people’s art and selling it. how does that not register to her as being illegal?

  109. PussDaddy June 29, 2010 at 1:35 pm #

    You know, this happening on the Callin’ Out blog with ImagineStudio is pretty much the last straw for me. I always liked her and she has been there a long time. I am now left wondering who the hell DO you trust?

    No, I don’t miss Etsy, and in many ways I wonder if Etsy isn’t just a big theft ring sometimes. I don’t care to buy from it, support, blog about it, or even think about it much anymore. I am just glad that I was there long enough to gather a few who I do trust to buy from by invoicing me with paypal who I trust have handmade stuff so at least my money doesn’t go to pay Etsy any fees. But of course I felt that way about ImagineStudio too so WTF do I know anyway?

    What I do know is that I don’t regret my 3 years spent at Etsy no matter how it ended up because I was able to observe and process all the behind the scenes bullshit that goes on when it comes to making and selling handmade (if you can find any that anyone actually handmade or that is theirs to sell to begin with). Everyone is always so quick to put you down if you shop at Walmart and stuff like that but in all honesty sometimes I feel cleaner shopping at Walmart after some of the shit that goes on on Etsy and in the handmade world in general.

  110. ohboy June 29, 2010 at 2:39 pm #

    manager of an art gallery?
    http://zephiart.blogspot.com/2008/03/above-odds-lyse-marion.html

  111. Lou June 29, 2010 at 2:48 pm #

    Makes interesting reading:

    http://whatshoesiwear.blogspot.com/2008/05/interview-with-lyse-imagine-studio.html

    The bit about The images that Lyse uses are all in the public domain and therefore no longer under any copyright laws made me lol.

  112. Cosmic Yuk June 29, 2010 at 2:54 pm #

    Life, Etsy’s TOU covers themselves quite nicely. They state that users should follow rules and laws but they are not responsible if someone doesn’t.

    And I don’t believe for a minute that any of this doesn’t reflect back on Etsy as a whole, how many times have you read that because of the deception (whatever it may be) people are leery of buying on Etsy now?

    I’ve had a shop there for 4 years. I used to buy all kinds of stuff with wild abandon. I only know handmade in my own category, but since I make it, I don’t buy it. So all the other categories I’m not sure of anymore.

    You can’t even depend on longtime sellers who you see in the forums either. How long has IS been on Etsy and now she is just being discovered as dishonest?

    This has affected my purchasing on Etsy as a venue. There are very few sellers I am sure of anymore.

    I know in my mind that what one seller does is not necessarily a reflection of the whole site, but if you’ve been duped, don’t you think it’s natural to be wary? It’s called guilt by association.

    If Etsy becomes labeled as a reseller site or a site full of copyright infringers or dishonest sellers you can bet that a lot of people are going to go elsewhere rather than risk their money on Etsy.

  113. Cosmic Yuk June 29, 2010 at 2:56 pm #

    Lol! It’s ok because she only ‘borrows’!

    “Lyse Marion borrows from a range of visual imagery to create lyrical and evocative digital collages.”

  114. wahwah June 29, 2010 at 2:59 pm #

    That interview made me barf.

  115. Disgusted June 29, 2010 at 3:18 pm #

    Sounds like Lyse the Thief has been a publicity hound for a long time. I bet Syfy would love to know about this.

  116. bellacruz June 29, 2010 at 4:15 pm #

    This example well illustrates the difficulty of shopping on etsy from the point of view of knowing who you are buying from. Here was and “established” seller who, in my opinion, was deceiving buyers–and quite a number of them—for quite some time. Etsy certainly benefited from the deception..

  117. ohmeohmy June 29, 2010 at 6:55 pm #

    I don’t care if it gives etsy a bad rep. There are thieves everywhere and that doesn’t mean people will stop shopping.

    She deserves to be outted if what she is doing is unethical and illegal. This is a far worse crime than reselling or mistagging. This is the stealing of someone’s image and then manipulating it.

    It doesn’t even matter if she did credit the true photographer because she is supposedly making a living as an artist off the backs of others.

    She has been deceitful not only to her customers but to the people who’s work she stole.

    It’s really sickening that an artist would do something as outrageous as this!

    I think the studio would be happy to know this. I also think they’re smart enough to realize that some People are cheats and some are the real deal.

    I am just so shocked by this today!

  118. ohmeohmy June 29, 2010 at 7:01 pm #

    Even if the old master paintings are in the public domain, why would an artist even want to “borrow”? Why doesn’t she just take some photography classes and learn to take her own art and use it. I just don’t get it.

    To be a true artist, you must be driven by the need to create, not rip off or make a lot of money. It’s something you carry in your heart.

    UGH.

  119. JOINAA June 29, 2010 at 7:30 pm #

    The original photographers deserve a piece of that SCiFi profit.

    Interestingly, her shop is in vaca-mode and her profile has been altered. GOOD. She should stay that way until she can be straight.

  120. Blue Kitty June 30, 2010 at 1:42 am #

    Someone already mentioned that although Old Masters may be ‘public domain’ the photographs of them aren’t, often the rights in these belong to the galleries that own the artworks, one reason they are strict about not allowing photography within the gallery.

  121. marn June 30, 2010 at 4:18 am #

    I’m still kind of on the fence about this. my gut reaction is, “how could she?!” but then I started thinking…bear with me for a moment while I play devil’s advocate:

    how exactly is making a digital collage with images culled from the internet or scanned any different than making a multimedia collage from magazines, books, postcards, etc.? collage/assemblage using “found” objects has been a valid artform for hundreds of years.

    is it just because we live in a digital age where there is unlimited virtual source material available as opposed to a stack of your mom’s old Good Housekeeping mags that makes a difference?

    would there be any difference if she used plates from a book about Modigliani instead of digital images? would there be any difference if she scanned the plates and used those digital images rather than using the raw material? where do we draw the line? CAN we draw a line?

    are we going to begin a witch hunt on Etsy, flagging every collage artist, successful or otherwise, who may possibly be using images or other materials that aren’t in the public domain?

    isn’t social commentary one of the purposes of art? should Andy Warhol have been sued for using the Campbell’s soup can? (during his lifetime, he did not have permission to use the Campbell’s image; after his death, his foundation reached an agreement with Campbell’s.)

    how can we have valuable social commentary if we’re restricted to using images that are 30+ years old, unless we have explicit permission? what will chasing down permissions for every potential image or inspiration do to the artistic process?

    that being said, I would be really peeved if an artist used one of my photos or paintings without permission, and copyright law is fairly clear on the matter. so, here I sit, on the fence.

    a good place for info, the Artists’ Rights Society:

    http://www.arsny.com/basics.html

  122. RocksInMySocks June 30, 2010 at 4:38 am #

    Does anyone know what the rules are in regard to collage and how much someone else’s work needs to be changed in order for it to be used legally by another artist? Or maybe just a good site I can mark for future reference? I keep thinking there’s a % that is supposed to apply.

    I know I’m probably being naive about this but I’d like to believe that IS thought she was within her rights to “borrow” this way. This is just so hard to accept. On the other hand, I’m devastated for the artists whose work was used without their permission and is still recognizable as being theirs.

    I must have put IS up on a pedestal because I’m really having a hard time with this. The ramifications for all the parties involved seems so painful.

  123. Blue Kitty June 30, 2010 at 5:02 am #

    I’ve seen many discussions on the rights and wrongs of collage.

    I think there is a big difference between using materials and effectively re-selling them and making a copy of them while retaining the original you bought (?).

    Copyright refers to making a copy not passing on the original.

    So you could buy a photograph and sell it when you tire of it or need cash but you can’t make several copies of it to sell.

    An artist might not be happy that you cut their work up but unless you claimed to have taken the original image yourself (deception) then I’m not sure there would be any ilegality involved as long as you only sell the actual collage and not a copy of it.

  124. RocksInMySocks June 30, 2010 at 5:29 am #

    good points, blue kitty and marn. So, is Lyse actually claiming she created the main images used in her work? Does anyone feel she has altered them enough to fall within the perameters of what is legal as far as collage goes?

    Personally, I think she’s a very talented and creative digital collage artist.

    I don’t feel right about slamming her until I know more about what’s deemed acceptable in the world of digital collage.

    As far as this listing goes:
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/50098985/loulou

    A lot of people here had different opinion as to who it was. I believe I saw Elizabeth Taylor, Natalie Woods, and Louise Brooks mentioned. It turns out it wasn’t any of those ladies so perhaps her images are altered enough to be acceptable.

    Also, the photographer of the glacier image was originally convinced that his photo was NOT being used. If the actual photographer doesn’t recognize his art, I’m not convinced Lyse is in the wrong.

  125. ginger June 30, 2010 at 5:46 am #

    rocksinmysocks, I think the only reason that people didn’t recognize the subject of the LouLou piece (Mischa Barton) is because she was styled in that photo to evoke an old movie star like Louise Brooks. When you look at the original photo, it’s not significantly altered.

    I don’t know the legalities, and I know that we can’t really argue the intent of the artist without being in her head. But, for me, this is just inappropriate. She’s not taking these pieces and using them in a new context to make a statement or anything like that (imo)–she’s simply taking other people’s “pretty” images and adding pretty layers.

    Seems less like being an artist and more like being a vulture with a reasonably good eye.

  126. wahwah June 30, 2010 at 5:50 am #

    Then there is the fact that she lied about all of the images being in the public domain when clearly they were not.

  127. Lou June 30, 2010 at 5:51 am #

    Changing the subject for one moment has anyone seen the forums today http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6561849&page=13 Janine king makes a major slip up with shilling.

  128. Akhenaten June 30, 2010 at 6:02 am #

    Denis–

    I was talking about the theft of the Memoirs of a Geisha image, as well as the photos of the other models and actresses. Not your iceberg.

    If you don’t think she stole your iceberg image, that’s good to hear. I am really glad.

  129. Akhenaten June 30, 2010 at 6:05 am #

    Marn, you make good points. In the 60s, collage got recognition as a fine art form and some acceptance was granted. These artists were using cut-outs from books and magazines, and some still got in legal trouble for doing it. It raised a lot of questions.

    However, I would certainly be pissed if she took digital images of my original artwork and put them in her collage.

    I bet every artist on here would be pissed to find she had used a digital copy of their oil painting in her collage, without asking permission first.

    (no offense intended, Marn. I think you do indeed make valid points).

  130. Akhenaten June 30, 2010 at 6:07 am #

    “Lyse Marion borrows from a range of visual imagery to create lyrical and evocative digital collages.”

    Oh! OK. So I’m off now to “borrow” a bunch of Etsy artists’ work to alter slightly in photoshop and sell as pinback buttons and expensive prints. Let’s call them collages.

  131. DBrown June 30, 2010 at 6:20 am #

    holy crap, another big seller that called themselves out. Shilling!

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6561849&page=1

  132. JOINAA June 30, 2010 at 6:22 am #

    I have always looked askance at those little purses. They are everywhere on Etsy and everywhere else. I wouldn’t touch them with a ten foot pole– I’d shop at WalMart first.
    I don’t believe “Janine” or any of the others who make them are craftsmen, just resellers.

    Peel the layer off the onion, and all you get is red eyes.

    I don’t see that issue as any different from the photocollage issue. It’s called RIPPING OFF, PERIOD! You don’t have to have a degree in ethics to understand this shit, it’s right before your eyes.
    If you would’t like someone taking YOUR photo or artwork and tweaking it, you KNOW IT’S WRONG!

  133. boots June 30, 2010 at 6:41 am #

    omg that shop clogs up the bag section almost everyday!

  134. marn June 30, 2010 at 6:43 am #

    @Akhenaten: no offense taken whatsoever! I’m not trying to defend IS’s actions, but as an artist, I can see both sides of the coin.

    according to the U.S. Copyright Office’s website (www.copyright.gov), “Only the owner of copyright in a work has the right to prepare, or to authorize someone else to create, a new version of that work. Accordingly, you cannot claim copyright to another’s work, no matter how much you change it, unless you have the owner’s consent.”

    seems pretty cut-and-dried to me.

  135. Freckleyredhead June 30, 2010 at 6:47 am #

    Ok COE detectives . . . so is JanineKing a reseller? or is she the actual manufacturer who has gotten too big for Etsy now? I’m confused.

  136. anon June 30, 2010 at 6:48 am #

    Yeah, no way she makes all those by herself. At one time she had an online store, ecrater, Ebay and Etsy going. (She says that Ebay and Ecrater are shut down for now, but has a shop on Artfire.

    Just on Etsy she has had over 14000 sales in 4yrs. That breaks down to her making at least 10 bags a day every day of the year for 4yrs. You probably need to at least double that number when you add in her other site sales.

    I almost bought from her and probably would if it were not Etsy but something just seemed a bit too polished for handmade.

  137. Stacey June 30, 2010 at 6:52 am #

    Wow.. that was ugly. The “copycat” shop is already empty, but JanineKing is still up… Anyone care to convo anpinggirl and ask where she gets her bags? 😛
    I doubt anything will happen. 14k sales, why is Etsy going to shut her down?

  138. Lou June 30, 2010 at 6:59 am #

    No way does she make those bags she is a liar and a fraud..makes me sick that she has made alot of money by saying her bags are handmade.

  139. JOINAA June 30, 2010 at 6:59 am #

    wHERE IS THE REAL JANINE KING? Is there such a designer? Or is it a BRAND FUCKING NAME?

  140. Lou June 30, 2010 at 7:01 am #

    A brand name i am quessing they probably get them made in some third world country where the people get paid next to nothing.

  141. Blue Kitty June 30, 2010 at 7:06 am #

    I’m confused. Is Jane King the designer?

    Are the bags made for her, maybe in Hong Kong?

    Was the other seller from Hong Kong the actual manufacturer of the bags Janine King designs going in for some private enterprise?

    The shilling we know for sure about is weird.

    I hope the COE detectives can solve these riddles.

  142. uh-huh June 30, 2010 at 7:07 am #

    I wonder how many of the 14,000 sales are legit sales and how many are shills. That ‘s a fucking huge amount of sales.
    I can’t see Etsy doing anything about this.

  143. ohboy June 30, 2010 at 7:09 am #

    All of this is only my opinion as an artist and a buyer:
    Cut and paste, physical collage using (for lack of a better word) original prints (PIECES of cut up mags, postcards, even another painting, etc. in their original format, I mean) is acceptable as a valid art form. In some cases, oh, so beautiful! I adore making collage and asseblage, but don’t sell them because I like them :D.

    I think that IS is talented and creative, but foolhardy to steal others’ hard work, creativity, face/personality and art in the first place and lead people to believe it was hers, AND omg, to brag and put herself all over the internet (which can never be erased or taken back) and call attention to what she’s doing. She underestimated the art community as a tight-knit neighborhood in which we look out for each other.

    What is wrong, unethical, and illegal in all instances is the act of reproducing of someone else’s original work as in: making unlimited hard copies (or digital) of someone else’s photograph, magazine ad, etc. and incorporating those reproductions into your own work. I think it’s outrageous and ballsy and it also makes me think that the sellers are trying to pull one over on the public.

  144. Woh! June 30, 2010 at 7:13 am #

    Yikes, that thread is an exciting read. It’s so damn annoying when the mods come and yell about no calling out when the asshole called herself out.

  145. Disgusted June 30, 2010 at 7:14 am #

    Check this out
    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6561913

  146. Lizzy June 30, 2010 at 7:17 am #

    My MIL makes purses and from the day I told her about Etsy she has sworn up and down that Janine King can not hand make those purses. I had to call her this morning and tell her about the thread.

  147. Tired of all this shit June 30, 2010 at 7:17 am #

    ohboy Says: What is wrong, unethical, and illegal in all instances is the act of reproducing of someone else’s original work as in: making unlimited hard copies (or digital) of someone else’s photograph, magazine ad, etc. and incorporating those reproductions into your own work.

    ————–

    Agreed. Plus all the shit you’ll get into with the models, their agents, make up artists, etc etc. All those people have signed for use for that one ad or photograph only. Not to be splashed across Etsy for some shyster to make a quick buck.

  148. JOINAA June 30, 2010 at 7:19 am #

    I think that Etsy needs to move its HQ to a “third world country”

  149. Kathy June 30, 2010 at 7:30 am #

    I am just disgusted. A few months ago, I would have be shocked, but nothing seems to shock me any more on Etsy. Her shop should be shut down immediately only to be possibly reopened AFTER an intensive investigation. She has proven herself to be a liar and a cheat. Why should I or anyone believe that she has made one single item in her shop. Admin really needs to act on this now. She has made a mockery of Etsy.

    The first line of her profile
    “#1 Top Seller on Etsy in the Bags and Purses category.”

    KMA!

  150. elizabeth June 30, 2010 at 7:39 am #

    I do believe that janineking is a small manufacturer with employees that do the sewing for her at her place of business in the US. A collective if you will, and apparently etsy legal. Why she would be shilling is a mystery to me as it’s obviously not needed with all those sales.
    Again, ETSY LEGAL, except for the shilling.

  151. anon June 30, 2010 at 7:45 am #

    Well then she needs to tell us the names of these other talented artists who are sewing her designs and tell us what they do in the process. Then she’ll be Etsy legal as a collective.

  152. uh-huh June 30, 2010 at 7:54 am #

    Where there’s a lie over one thing, always makes one wonder how many other lies are there…..

  153. RocksInMySocks June 30, 2010 at 8:03 am #

    I’m teetering and tottering all over the place about Imagine Studios.

    Can we please get a separate post for JanineKing. This is too good to share with another callout.

    Off to look for other Etsy shops selling these bags. Where there’s one roach, there’s usually dozens that aren’t so visible.

  154. RocksInMySocks June 30, 2010 at 8:11 am #

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/gypsyrosehandbags

    Does anyone think these are the same? The profile for this shop makes an AWFUL big deal about being handmade. I trust NOTHING and NO ONE on Etsy now.

  155. Blue Kitty June 30, 2010 at 8:20 am #

    Rocks its getting so bad I’m not even sure I trust my OWN items now ROFL

  156. detroit June 30, 2010 at 8:53 am #

    IS is REPRODUCING other people’s artwork, and selling it. Often with very little alteration.

    The copyright office quote from above is on point. It is NOT okay!

    To requote from Marn:

    “according to the U.S. Copyright Office’s website (www.copyright.gov), “Only the owner of copyright in a work has the right to prepare, or to authorize someone else to create, a new version of that work. Accordingly, you cannot claim copyright to another’s work, no matter how much you change it, unless you have the owner’s consent.””

    I don’t think there’s any room for debate here.

  157. RocksInMySocks June 30, 2010 at 9:08 am #

    ha, BlueKitty! Well, maybe I trust YOU but no one else LOL!

  158. marn June 30, 2010 at 9:21 am #

    as for Janine King, all of her bag “photos” appear to be a template into which she slides the various fabric samples. all of the straps, fringe, clips and such don’t vary position from picture to picture.

    I’ve seen this method used by scrabble tile pendant sellers, among others.

    who’s to say what an “actual” JK bag really looks like?

  159. JOINAA June 30, 2010 at 9:23 am #

    elizabeth Says:
    June 30, 2010 at 7:39 am

    “I do believe that janineking is a small manufacturer with employees that do the sewing for her at her place of business in the US. A collective if you will, and apparently etsy legal. Why she would be shilling is a mystery to me as it’s obviously not needed with all those sales.
    Again, ETSY LEGAL, except for the shilling.”

    ASSUME NOTHING.

  160. blood, sweat and tears June 30, 2010 at 10:38 am #

    elizabeth, what you describe is not a collective!

  161. ohmeohmy June 30, 2010 at 11:31 am #

    She won’t be considered a collective if people are doing the sewing for her. Her hand in the making of these purses cannot just be the designer and nothing else to be considered etsy legal.

    A collective is a bunch of artists featuring their products and having one shop. There is no “star”.

    A cooperative is people working together to create an item and all hands have touched it. But it’s purpose is not to just make one person the money. Pay is equal to all.

    I do not think her shop falls into the allowed collective definition. I have seen pics of her small business and there are many sewers.

  162. Tired of all this shit June 30, 2010 at 11:49 am #

    Geezuz. Discuss the damn bags here people https://etsycallout.wordpress.com/2010/06/30/trainwreck-fun-in-the-morning/

  163. RocksInMySocks June 30, 2010 at 1:30 pm #

    “according to the U.S. Copyright Office’s website (www.copyright.gov), “Only the owner of copyright in a work has the right to prepare, or to authorize someone else to create, a new version of that work. Accordingly, you cannot claim copyright to another’s work, no matter how much you change it, unless you have the owner’s consent.””

    ————
    you’re right and my bubble has officially burst.

  164. Denis Delbecq June 30, 2010 at 2:06 pm #

    For your information. I sent an email to legal department of Etsy, about my image that presumably has been counterfeit. Here is the incredible answer I received 24h later…

    «Thanks for contacting Etsy.com (“Etsy”) regarding an possible intellectual property issue with one or more users of Etsy’s service. Please note that Etsy is a venue to buy and sell all things handmade. Etsy is not a juried site.

    Unfortunately, I do not have the answers to your questions.

    Should you need to contact Etsy, please provide Etsy with notice, pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) and Etsy’s Copyright and Intellectual Property Policy (the “Policy”). The Policy and the notice requirements are found at http://www.etsy.com/copyright_policy.php. Once we receive proper notice, Etsy will comply with our policy.

    You can also contact the other party via Etsy’s Conversation (or “Convo”) feature. To “Convo” a member, first Sign In to Etsy (the Sign In button is found in top right hand corner). To create an Etsy account, you only need a username, a valid email address, and a password. Once you’ve signed in, go to username.etsy.com. Once you’re in the user’s Etsy page, scroll down to “user info” (found on the right hand side) and click on the CONTACT link. Sometimes a matter is better resolved between the parties. However, as I stated above, Etsy will comply with our Policy when given proper notice.»

  165. Blue Kitty June 30, 2010 at 2:18 pm #

    *heads desk*

    I believe they have to comply by law when you fill that form in – no get out

  166. Anon325 June 30, 2010 at 6:28 pm #

    What Imagine is doing is not collage. She is taking the image as a whole and decorating it. Collage in a true sense would involve multiple images, multiple sources, and none of them being used in their entirety. Her images are totally recognizable against their sources, even by a computer! All the lines and images are they same. They are digitally enhanced rather than collaged.

    The rules that apply to collage artists won’t apply to her.

    The shepherd fairy analogy earlier in the discussion is probably the closest real life example of the legal implications of her actions.

    More than getting images taken down off of etsy, the photographers who have had their work lifted are entitled to a share of her profits, how ever small they may be.

  167. Lotus June 30, 2010 at 7:59 pm #

    Very funny! idea2lifestyle in Etsy are also selling knock out items from the original designer which is rip studio in China but survived very well …idea2lifestyle steal the design/photo then hire people to customize/sell…I personally know the original label owner in China – she is furious…but sadly Etsy doesn’t care.

  168. theeyesseeit June 30, 2010 at 10:42 pm #

    Lotus — we know many people are angry that their brands are being sold. If you personally know the owner of RIP studio in China, please have her write Etsy, and send you a copy of the email that you can share with us. Etsy highly suspects they are a reseller, but evidently they are really good at lying, and send pictures of their “workshop” to Etsy to “prove” they sew the stuff themselves. This thread:
    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6552797
    tells you how many Etsy sellers know they are a reseller!

  169. MadeByM**** July 1, 2010 at 6:10 am #

    Nice form letter from Etsy to Denis…………I’m guessing he asked them to take down his photo but they tell him he has to fight through the “red tape” first…………..

  170. Lotus July 1, 2010 at 11:41 am #

    theeyesseeit – i think idea2lifestyle does have a workshop because they customize and handmade. But they steal Rip studio’s design even photo. The original label owner is actually also modeling many of her clothing in those photos which idea2lifestyle uses in their etsy shop….We did flag them but no luck. i suspect rip studio would sue etsy if this continues since they have an authorized seller in the States.

  171. detroit July 1, 2010 at 12:45 pm #

    Denis and Lotus’s Friend:

    You need to follow the instructions in the link Etsy provided closely:

    http://www.etsy.com/copyright_policy.php

    Follow all the steps. When you’ve gathered the info, (make sure you’ve followed ALL the steps), then make sure you make a copy and retain it for your records.

    Then, I’d first fax it to the number they provide for their legal department on that page. And retain a copy of the fax transmission confirmation in your records too.

    Or , you could instead email it all to them. And request confirmation of their receipt via return email. They need to make it clear they’ve received all the evidence you’ve sent.

    Finally, when you physically mail your documents off, make sure you send it registered, so you have confirmation they received it.

    Basically, they’re saying they can’t act until they get a DMCA claim from you. Once they do, they MUST act promptly.

    Make sure to follow up to ensure the offending items have been removed.

    It may seem like a pain, but if you’re an artist in this new digital age, you should probably get some practice anyhow (or your attorney should), because, especially if you’re high profile, or good, this is not likely to be the last time this happens.

    Good luck!

  172. detroit July 1, 2010 at 12:47 pm #

    Oops! I just browsed their requirements. Just fax and then mail it, Don’t bother emailing. They say not to. I guess it’s too easy for an email to slip through the cracks.

  173. MadeByM*** July 2, 2010 at 7:50 am #

    An email to slip through the cracks to Etsy admin? Never…………LOL!

  174. Thud July 3, 2010 at 5:12 am #

    What Imagine is doing is wrong based on INTENT.
    Her intention is to deceive (claiming the works are public domain, claiming they are her original weork etc.) ~ she is intentionally deceiving buyers and intentionally earning profits off the original works of others.

  175. uh-huh July 3, 2010 at 5:24 am #

    Admin must be aware of the situation, they closed down he big bill bragging thread after people started hinting around at this
    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6560577&page=11

  176. Blue Kitty July 3, 2010 at 12:12 pm #

    Maybe they should close her ‘once a year’ sale thread now the shop is on vacation and nothing to buy before someone posts a comment in it LOL

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6560522&page=1

  177. PussDaddy July 3, 2010 at 1:25 pm #

    Any memories I have of geisha are pretty much shot to shit now.

  178. NotanArtist July 3, 2010 at 3:56 pm #

    ImagineStudio says:
    I do lovely artwork ..but cannot spell for the life of me..espically in English.
    Posted at 8:55 pm, June 28, 2010

    baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrfffff

  179. notvintage July 4, 2010 at 12:00 pm #

    I think we all know why imaginestudio is “on vacation”.

    Brings to mind what Mammy said in GWTW:
    “You know what trouble I’s talkin’ ’bout. I’s talking ’bout Mr. Ashley Wilkes. He’ll be comin’ to Atlanta when he gets his leave, and you sittin’ there waitin’ for him, just like a spider.”

    She’ll be back when it calms down and the coast is clear.

  180. notvintage July 4, 2010 at 12:04 pm #

    ????? “that discusses firm because the auteure of this image was made a speciality of naked joining…, going until praising all its talent on chains of TV étatsuniennes”

    English, please? I am sure that you are not talking about naked joining!!( Four years of French in high school 50 years ago is totally useless. As it was then….)

  181. ohboy July 4, 2010 at 6:30 pm #

    the french post above: I googled part of it and here’s what came up – I believe it’s either Denis or someone on his behalf asking if it’s pliagirism (copyright infringement)

    http://effetsdeterre.fr/2010/07/04/alors-plagiat-ou-pas-a-vos-lunettes/

    if you see the changing picture, it’s his original photo swapping out with IS’s “art”

  182. ohboy July 4, 2010 at 6:38 pm #

    LOL, yes tis moi, master of the obvious! it’s Denis’ own blog…

  183. wahwah July 5, 2010 at 7:57 pm #

    Ya, I can’t speak English either. Maybe I should steal some artwork and call it my own.

  184. Blue Kitty July 6, 2010 at 7:26 am #

    ohboy Says:
    June 29, 2010 at 8:41 am
    ohmy…wonder how buyers would like to know they could have bought those inkjet prints for only $18.00.

    What’s ArtFire’s stances on the copyright violation and appropriation of original artists’ work?

    http://www.artfire.com/modules.php?name=Shop&page_no=3&display=20&op=new&sterm=&sort_cats=0&seller_id=12360&sc_id=0

    ……………..

    Appears she isn’t on Artfire any more.

  185. notvintage July 6, 2010 at 4:09 pm #

    She’s still on AF:
    http://www.artfire.com/users/JanineKingDesigns

  186. Blue Kitty July 11, 2010 at 3:41 pm #

    notvintage Says:
    July 6, 2010 at 4:09 pm
    She’s still on AF:
    http://www.artfire.com/users/JanineKingDesigns

    ………………………

    The link should go to ImagineStudios, it doesn’t now so I think she must have departed from there.

  187. VanGogh July 12, 2010 at 7:14 am #

    http://www.artfire.com/users/imaginestudios

  188. tovangogh July 12, 2010 at 7:23 am #

    interesting…http://www.artfire.com/users/imaginestudios/blog just opened that blog today? also, her bio says ohio. ooh, a rhyme! – y’all may “borrow” that if you like. lol.

  189. tovangogh July 14, 2010 at 8:42 am #

    it’s baaaa-aaack on etsy.

  190. i ronnie July 18, 2010 at 3:14 pm #

    Color me confused. Can someone explain this thread to me.
    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6577421&page=2

    Imagine posts a link from wahwah…something about a twat…and some people call her on it later in the thread (on page 5).

    Is Imagine digging some sort of hole for herself again?

  191. ギフト・贈り物 即日出荷 December 31, 2015 at 2:25 am #

    アメージング!その純粋 素晴らしい ポスト、私が持っている多くの明確な考え この段落の記事から。
    ギフト・贈り物 即日出荷 http://www.lst-os.de

  192. 即日出荷 绝賛発売 December 31, 2015 at 2:27 am #

    このような気難しい共有おかげをサポートするために 意見、ポストです 私は完全にそれを読んでいるなぜthatsの、気難しく|良い|楽しい|素敵な
    即日出荷 绝賛発売 http://pizzeriacalifornia.eu

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