“pre-owned” shoes

13 Jul

Your pre-owned shoes do NOT make them vintage people!

brokenhipvintage (who should know better since this is her so called specialty & should know ’00 shoes from ’70’s)- http://www.etsy.com/listing/44216813/s-a-l-evintage-70s-criss-cross-woven

lousybeatnik- http://www.etsy.com/listing/51016457/tan-betula-arizona-birkenstocks

ViLaTage- http://www.etsy.com/listing/50310597/deena-and-ozzy-green-heel (from Urban Outfitters no less)

manstuff- http://www.etsy.com/listing/51397945/vintage-white-converse-hi-tops-sz-13 crusty old high tops for $38 plus $11 shipping or you can buy them brand new for $36 http://www.starconverse.com/converse-chuck-taylor-all-star-core-high-tops-beige-white-p-101.html

Or sometimes people just put their pre-owned shoes in handmade….

jeanineadele has 3 used pairs listed- http://www.etsy.com/shop/jeanineadele?section_id=7151341

VintageEyewear101- http://www.etsy.com/listing/50275212/fendi-shoes-womens-black-zucca-comfy

yellowfeathr- http://www.etsy.com/listing/49525727/4-in-high-heel-wood-sandles-from-spain

OneGreatPlace-  http://www.etsy.com/shop/OneGreatPlace?section_id=6778025 26 craptastic pairs of shoes ranging from Clarks to Ralph Lauren.

reliquaryatlanta- http://www.etsy.com/listing/38885801/black-prada-sport-mary-janes

These are pretty no-brainers so hopefully Etsy will remove all of them….FLAG!

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30 Responses to ““pre-owned” shoes”

  1. wahwah July 13, 2010 at 10:23 am #

    They may be no-brainers to those of us with brains, but this is Etsy we are talking about. I’m guessing none will be removed.

  2. imwithya July 13, 2010 at 10:31 am #

    Unfortunately vintage only means used to many an Etsian. Obviously people don’t read the rules when they sign up.

    I know Etsy doesn’t believe in sending out emails to all users with important site information, but a very occasional email with news, site rules, etc. could only help. How about a message with a friendly reminder to sellers about what can be sold- like “we wanted to remind our sellers that vintage MUST be at least 20 yrs old, supplies must be something that is used to create another item. [link to tou] If your items don’t meet these requirements please remove them before we are forced to take action”.

    Hahaha yah right, that’s going to happen!

  3. Life During Wartime July 13, 2010 at 11:01 am #

    wahwah, I don’t think ANYTHING in that shop is vintage!

    It all looks like contemporary ‘vintage, not as it really was, but as it should have been’ (to paraphrase the SCA). And the ‘vintage as it should have been’ look is what Etsy promotes.

  4. Fed UP July 13, 2010 at 11:31 am #

    Looking at shoes or boots in vintage is insanely frustrating.

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/47914174/the-original-floral-doc-marten-8-eye

    These ARE NOT vintage. I have a pair I bought in ’99.

  5. VanGogh July 13, 2010 at 12:04 pm #

    Want to be REALLY frustrated??? Search under handmade using the keywords: “vintage” “shoes” or “heels”.

    “HEALOTS = A LOTTA HEELS!” The media honchos (the “Healots,” as Walter Brennan’s Colonel poetically calls them) seek to manipulate public opinion for their own personal gain in the classic movie “Meet John Doe”.

    Some people who list shoes as vintage that are not may be stupid, but the people who list brand new shoes as handmade AND vintage are HEALOTS!!!!!

  6. Life During Wartime July 13, 2010 at 12:29 pm #

    There is vintage stuff in most of the handmade categories.

    Sometimes this happens because newbie sellers don’t realize they have to choose Vintage from that long dropdown menu box with all of the Handmade categories — it’s confusing.

    But most of the vintage items (in terms of item count) are listed by Etsians who have been selling on the site for years. They list as handmade for exposure. And Etsy admin does nothing about them because their violations result in sales. Ka-ching!

    Same deal as Etsy ignoring successful shops who list handmade items as Vintage.

    It’s only a TOU violation if your shop isn’t successful, or so it seems to me.

  7. imwithya July 13, 2010 at 12:35 pm #

    I don’t know why Etsy can’t fix the drop down so you HAVE to choose one of the three main categories first. It seems like a no-brainer. At least it would help with some of the mis-categorized items.

  8. sparkalicious July 13, 2010 at 2:18 pm #

    To a lot of Etsians, “vintage” means, “Hmmm, can’t ever remember seeing that in a store, it MUST be vintage!”

    Of course, maybe I am giving them the befit of the doubt, and their thinking is more like: “Let’s see if I can get away with it”.

  9. Inspector Yuk July 13, 2010 at 2:54 pm #

    OMG. That is all I can say as I’m sending this call out in email form.

  10. Life During Wartime July 13, 2010 at 3:08 pm #

    My late husband used to cite some bit of nerd philosophy: a fully documented bug becomes a feature.

    Considering the inadvertent category violations it causes, I would think Etsy would have rewritten the code for those drop down boxes so many sellers bitch about. If they haven’t fixed it, Etsy must want it to be confusing.

  11. imwithya July 13, 2010 at 3:44 pm #

    Now that’s just sad LDW and I hope that isn’t the case but it sure freaking seems like it is. Has anyone ever seen it suggested in the forums that that Etsy fix the dropdown? Not that they’d ever do a damn thing about it. Just wondering.

  12. VanGogh July 13, 2010 at 4:50 pm #

    imwithya Says:
    July 13, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    I don’t know why Etsy can’t fix the drop down so you HAVE to choose one of the three main categories first. It seems like a no-brainer. At least it would help with some of the mis-categorized items.

    FOR YEARS

  13. VanGogh July 13, 2010 at 4:52 pm #

    OOPS for years we have been begging for this. The usual responses:

    Good idea, I’ll pass it on to the techs
    It’s in the pipeline
    It’s on the radar

    Well, three years is plenty time to fix this no brainer. I agree that the majority just don’t get it, as the drop down menu completely refutes the written instructions.
    LAME LAME EMPLOYEES. NO EXCUSES ARE VALID.

  14. detroit July 13, 2010 at 5:44 pm #

    Life During Wartime Says:
    July 13, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    If they haven’t fixed it, Etsy must want it to be confusing.
    ________________________________________

    I agree 100%. There is SOME reason they’ve never changed this. It’s something logical that they could change, yet they haven’t….

    So, one has to assume there’s a financial reason behind the scenes for the decision to leave the status quo.

    As a shopper only, I have to say it’s really confusing to figure out which category something is in. And I’m not exactly some rube who stumbled on Etsy to do a little gift shopping.

    Any ideas as to why it’s financially advantageous for Etsy to stay with the status quo?

    As a shopper only, there’s a lot I don’t get about being on the vendor side….

  15. Molls July 13, 2010 at 6:35 pm #

    Wow, the sellers on ebay are taking some nice photos of their used clothes. Overall, it looks like ebay is taking a cue from etsy in keeping look of the site clean, and crisp with just a wee bit of hipster cool. These photos make a pair of smelly old shoes look like an art installation at the Brooklyn…oh…we’re not talking about ebay? Nevermind.

  16. notvintage July 13, 2010 at 7:05 pm #

    I don’t see it as an ulterior motive; more like a lack of concern about site basics. No priorities– must be viral ADHD over there, perhaps fueled by low intellect, substance sharing, or peer pressure. All indicative of immaturity.

  17. RocksInMySocks July 13, 2010 at 7:23 pm #

    Most of those shops are FULL of non-vintage items, not just shoes. I could swear I saw these on the FP but I may be wrong:

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/51100390/vintage-blanca-hurache-sandals-size-7?ref=v1_other_1

    I love imwithya’s idea about the blanket email reminder. It may actually help in some way. Has Etsy EVER sent out a blanket email to all its members (for any reason)? I can’t think of one in the 2+ years I’ve been a member.

  18. organicmyass July 13, 2010 at 8:26 pm #

    those huaraches (correct name Fisherman’s Sandals) are all over the internet, in fact I got several pair a website that sells old folks’ stuff, lol! I absolutely love them, they’re super comfortable, and they are certainly not vintage.

  19. Why Dont They July 13, 2010 at 9:02 pm #

    I think if Etsy shut down the forums for.. say a week, and the 4 forum mods(more or less) spent 8 hours a day shutting down blatant, obvious resellers or at least deleting all the obvious shouldntbeonEtsy listings- say 200 per day per person, times 4 people for 7 days =5600 listings and/or shops shut down. Hmm.
    That might be a good start.

    Instead of coaching on how to be Etsy compliant, just delete the listings and if there are more than say 60% of the listings in the shop not in compliance shut the shop down.

  20. Blue Kitty July 14, 2010 at 2:25 am #

    Its not mid-day yet but I think I need a stiff drink.

    I thought it was a joke until I checked the shop.

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?page=1&thread_id=6573928

    lishi216 says:
    I start a shop on etsy.I handmade the jewelry by myself or collecte it from other chinese folk crafted artists.carved bone,carved shell,paper cutting,chinese knot and so on.

  21. wahwah July 14, 2010 at 7:03 am #

    Blue Kitty, I see you disagreed with something bomobob said!
    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6574106&page=2

    Don’t you know that you are supposed to agree with everything that he says and tell him he’s cute?????

  22. wahwah July 14, 2010 at 7:08 am #

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6573710

    Hee hee. Rob has the power to lock threads but not delete the listing? Is he challenged somehow?

  23. Blue Kitty July 14, 2010 at 7:44 am #

    That guy who gave me a shock with my coffee listened to what people said, removed the offending items and appears at present to be OK.

    Its getting bad now when newcomers are regarded with utmost suspicion especially if they might not be totally fluent in English.

    Collateral damage from a site in a mess.

  24. bellacruz July 14, 2010 at 9:13 am #

    @wahwah post #26; maybe they’re hoping it will sell.

  25. Life During Wartime July 14, 2010 at 10:04 am #

    To be fair to the reseller shops — and I mean all resellers, not just the ones from Asia — the new Etsy tagline is like a homing beacon for manufactured goods. ‘Global Marketplace’ doesn’t mean ‘a place to sell stuff handmade by you no matter where on Earth you live’.

    Global marketplace means you can list items made anywhere, and/or ship them to customers from anywhere, on the planet. It means ‘Etsy is kinda like AliBaba’.

    This may be a stoopid mistake on Etsy’s part, but considering their handling of reselling it may be intentional rather than mistaken.

  26. uh-huh July 15, 2010 at 5:20 am #

    That’s it. I’m going down to the Goodwills, pick up a cartfull of the most decent looking cute shoes (for probably $5 each) I can get my hands on, dust them off and list them on etsy as vintage treasures for at least $40 each.
    Why waste my fucking time and energy making all this shit by hand anymore? I could be raking in cash just by shopping and being a unethical dick.

  27. jeanine November 29, 2010 at 6:13 am #

    I noticed that you say in your post I listed my Vintage shoes under homemade. Thanks for pointing that out as I wasn’t aware. BTW I can’t speak for anyone else (I get frustrated myself about fakers) but the shoes I list are from the 80’s or before which is considered Vintage. Thanks for being so diligent just please make sure you have your facts right, otherwise you are not doing a factual blog just hateful slander. 😉 In general, keep up the good work, maybe if enough people complain this problem will get corrected.

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