TwilightDistinction

25 Jul

I’ve flagged this seller to no avail.

This http://www.etsy.com/listing/51811933/transformation-sterling-silver-butterfly

is here http://auntiestreasures.com/butterfly-ring-p-14373.html

this http://www.etsy.com/listing/52131848/movable-teeth-ring-in-solid-sterling

is here http://www.dragonweave.com/mens-silver-rings.html#jaws

this http://www.etsy.com/listing/51890042/adjustable-lullaby-ring-in-solid

is here http://auntiestreasures.com/rings-adjustable-rings-c-23_10326.html

and read the descriptions, hilarious.

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43 Responses to “TwilightDistinction”

  1. Life During Wartime July 25, 2010 at 12:52 pm #

    This shop has been called out a bunch of times before. She’s one of the (non-existent) resellers on Etsy.

    How many jewelry makers would say that sterling silver will never change color?

    She’s been on the FP 6 times, 5 times in collections curated by Etsy.

  2. Inspector Yuk July 25, 2010 at 2:23 pm #

    But of course no one should get upset because there is such a small number of resellers on Etsy.

    I don’t know how sellers like this can sleep at night when they lie through their teeth and deceive their customers like this.

  3. Sarah July 25, 2010 at 2:43 pm #

    Yeah, that “never change color” bit caught my eye too. Great. I can’t count how many threads I’ve seen where some seller (in the instant before they’re buried under a flood of rebuke for calling out) describes how their customer wants to return sterling silver jewelry because it tarnished, and that’s how the customer just knew for sure that it wasn’t real silver. Nice to know that in addition to reselling, this shop is spreading that particular fiction around.

  4. sick of cupcakes July 25, 2010 at 2:50 pm #

    Nice tag stuffing as well.

  5. JohnCock July 25, 2010 at 3:46 pm #

    This is one of the non-existant resellers:

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/Iulikk2010?ref=seller_info

  6. Maulani July 25, 2010 at 5:26 pm #

    If only the seller add a little decoration on the ring, can that be said handmade or original?
    I am your blog reader since three days ago and sad i don’t find this blog earlier. I kinda confuse with that “handmade” statement. Lots of necklace with charms ordered from China, can i still say it it’s a handmade?
    Sorry for stupid question. I’ll be more careful if i really open my Etsy shop in the future.

  7. tippy July 25, 2010 at 6:37 pm #

    I don’t know how you can sell “designer” for $1 but a cellphone case for $180.

    I sent emails to the websites owning the merchandise that TwilightDistinction “handmade”. Yeah, I tattled to the companies b/c etsy won’t do shit about it. The companies should be highly PO’ed.

  8. Inspector Yuk July 25, 2010 at 8:11 pm #

    Yep, found those and her ‘handmade’ turquoise bracelet:

    http://auntiestreasures.com/turquoise-open-wire-cuff-bracelet-s-shaped-design-p-1691.html

  9. uh-huh July 25, 2010 at 8:53 pm #

    “faux diamond emo”
    one of the more unusual stuffed tags I’ve seen.

    Jesus everything about this shop is horrifying.

  10. damn July 25, 2010 at 9:22 pm #

    tippy Says:
    July 25, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    I don’t know how you can sell “designer” for $1 but a cellphone case for $180.

    I sent emails to the websites owning the merchandise that TwilightDistinction “handmade”. Yeah, I tattled to the companies b/c etsy won’t do shit about it. The companies should be highly PO’ed.
    ———————————————–
    I really wish you ppl would start thinking with your heads and not your hearts. Those companies could care less about her selling their goods as handmade…really. The got the money from her already; they don’t care how she resells it.

    ALL YOU ARE DOING is opening doors for more trouble. When you contact those people they will just go open up their own Etsy shops and sell directly to the Etsy buyer.

  11. damn July 25, 2010 at 9:29 pm #

    all that stuff is made in China anyway

  12. tippy July 25, 2010 at 9:42 pm #

    RE: Message from Auntie’s Treasures

    From:
    Auntie’s Treasures

    To: Tippy Sellers

    Hello tippy,

    This is an unauthorized seller and we have reported them to Etsy. Auntie’s Treasures only sells on http://AuntiesTreasures.com/

    Thank you,

    Auntie’s Treasures

  13. tippy July 25, 2010 at 9:43 pm #

    Hey “damn”…suck it.

  14. Inspector Yuk July 25, 2010 at 10:10 pm #

    That’s alright, I sent a few convos to people who bought her handmade jewelry with links to the site where she bought them and a link to this blog post in case they were interested in more proof.

    Hey, if Etsy won’t do anything about it, then I guess we have to.

  15. Inspector Yuk July 25, 2010 at 10:12 pm #

    And good for Tippy. Anties is an importer, I just found a bunch of her stuff on a china wholesaler site. So, she can’t open a shop either because she’s a reseller.

  16. damn July 25, 2010 at 10:14 pm #

    lol@ Tippy thinking she’s done something amazing. I don’t condone reselling on Etsy but some of you anti-reseller fighters just make things worse. Like the thread rtisan made with a long list of wholesale/reseller sites. How many Etsians you think visited those sites, bought some goods and now sell them on Etsy?? lol…THINK PEOPLE.

  17. damn July 25, 2010 at 10:19 pm #

    Inspector Yuk Says:
    July 25, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    And good for Tippy. Anties is an importer, I just found a bunch of her stuff on a china wholesaler site. So, she can’t open a shop either because she’s a reseller.
    ————————————-
    lol, she “can’t” but she will, now that you kind citizens have informed her that she can get more money for her made in china goods just like twiligghtdistinction – round of applause for the anti-reseller super heros 🙂

  18. Inspector Yuk July 25, 2010 at 10:51 pm #

    Well, I still have the china wholesaler marked, so if she does I guess we can just provide Etsy with those links. Besides, with the amount of stuff on her website, there is no way she’d pass as even a collective under Etsy’s convoluted definition.

  19. Inspector Yuk July 25, 2010 at 11:00 pm #

    And ‘Damn’, it sure is a good feeling after flagging a shop that Etsy deems legal to have an outside source come to them and demand her stuff be taken down.

    There is a certain satisfaction in knowing that Etsy’s attempts to protect resellers isn’t foolproof. That if we can’t make them do it with flags and proof, then we can do it by contacting the places they bought from and let them approach Etsy and demand satisfaction.

    And, you never know, Aunties just might use the proof of purchasing from a wholesaler to prove that Twilight didn’t make the items like she claims. You never know.

  20. Life During Wartime July 25, 2010 at 11:07 pm #

    damn, the most successful resellers on Etsy don’t need a recent thread in the forums to tell them where to purchase inventory. Does anyone believe that people only started passing off factory goods as handmade after Etsy was founded? How about passing fakes and fantasy items (new things that look like they might be old) as antiques or vintage? Is that a practice which began on Etsy?

    Twilightdistinction has at least 3 Etsy shops, which are not all disclosed back and forth as required by the TOU.

    So this person is a reseller, a copyright abuser, a tag abuser, does not disclose multiple shops. She’s been doing this on Etsy for a couple of years. ECO is not responsible for the way she does business. She can break a bunch of Etsy’s rules without consequences because she sells commercial products which have a girly pop culture tie-in.

  21. tippy July 26, 2010 at 2:46 am #

    Dear Damn,

    You think Auntie’s can’t search the fucking internet and find etsy? You think etsy is a best kept secret and non-etsians don’t know what it is? Give me a fucking break, dude. If Aunties (or any other company) wanted to branch out and sell their shit on etsy, they would do so and I can’t prevent that. You complain but contribute nothing to solve the problem.

    Sincerely,
    Tippy

    P.S.
    Suck it.

  22. JohnCock July 26, 2010 at 5:03 am #

    Another seller who has handmade but tucks in repro/mass-produced decorative pieces.

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/sweetgrassprints?ref=seller_info

  23. detroit July 26, 2010 at 5:51 am #

    Inspector Yuk Says:
    July 25, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    That’s alright, I sent a few convos to people who bought her handmade jewelry with links to the site where she bought them and a link to this blog post in case they were interested in more proof.
    __________________________

    Ha ha. That’s awesome!

    I know calling out is not allowed. But what about this ^^^?

    What about starting a ‘theoretical’ thread – ‘since Etsy won’t get rid of resellers, how bout convoing the buyers of reseller crap?’

    That might make them snap to attention.

    For a minute or two – lol.

    Well, I’d be too chicken to do it.

  24. sick of cupcakes July 26, 2010 at 6:27 am #

    Hmm, do I sense an ulterior motive here from damn?

  25. Disgusted July 26, 2010 at 6:47 am #

    Another thought about Aunties – do they have any sort of exclusive license to be selling those products in the US? At any rate, they are in competition for sales with the Etsy seller so they do have a vested interest. They are also footing the bill for their own website while someone else is getting pretty much freebies with an Etsy shop. I have no problem with reporting people who break copyright laws, TOUs and others who think they are ‘special”.

  26. eyefortineye July 26, 2010 at 6:52 am #

    So glad to hear I’m not the only one who notifies the copyright holders of some pretty gross liberties. Disney seems to act almost immediately from my experiences this past few weeks! I write Disney, the shop is empty of hundreds of listings within two days – awesome! I know it’s not just me that’s writing them, so thanks to all who participate.

    Am I the only one who writes to the shop owners and asks questions? Nicely, of course.

  27. sick of cupcakes July 26, 2010 at 7:25 am #

    We should assemble a list of contact info for copyright holders so we can all report these jerks.

  28. Disgusted July 26, 2010 at 7:59 am #

    tips@disneyantipiracy.com

    Hello Kitty
    Intproperty@sanrio.com

    Others?

  29. JohnCock July 26, 2010 at 8:12 am #

    I’ve reported items to LV and Chanel with no luck.

  30. PussDaddy July 26, 2010 at 9:51 am #

    I reported stuff to so many companies while I was at Etsy. While everyone sat and bitched I actually took the time to hunt it up and report it . Every company expressed their outrage and concern and thanked me. Only one company made a short run thru Etsy to have their stuff removed. It’s not worth your time and effort to to do it, IMHO.

  31. Life During Wartime July 26, 2010 at 10:38 am #

    Here is the bird bottle opener from from the sweetgrass shop:

    http://www.elizabethsembellishments.com/Iron-Bird-Bottle-Opener.html

    Yeah, it’s vintage all right….

  32. Life During Wartime July 26, 2010 at 11:28 am #

    http://www.mkagifts.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=lines.detail.22

    Click on the OUR GIFT LINES link at the bottom of each page, and then check out the sample catalog photos from some of the lines or visit the wholesale sites that have a link on their page. Look familiar? Just like a typical FP collection or Storque feature!

    I wonder how many handmade or vintage shops are selling these ‘gift lines’? Sure, there are no ‘resellers’ on Etsy. They are called ‘representatives’.

    I’ve only looked at a few of the linked wholesalers, but I already found items I recognize from Etsy features and shops.

  33. EyesWideOpen July 26, 2010 at 11:56 am #

    You can get that cast iron vintagey cottagey stuff at Tuesday Morning. CHeaper, too, and it doesn’t pretend to be anything else than what it is: manufactured to look oldish. Anyone who thinks that stuff is old has NO CLUE and is too young to be using a paypal account!! You would have to be completely stupid and naive to buy that shit as old.
    But then, that is the sort of customer Etsy likes because they see that shit and say to themselves, “Dang! I can sell there!” and off they go dropping their $ into Etsy’s black hole by listing garbage that only someone with newly sprouted pubic hair would buy.

  34. Life During Wartime July 26, 2010 at 1:18 pm #

    Eyes, there have been at least two faux vintage ‘rustic’ items on the FP this afternoon…so far.

    I haven’t seen every FP, so there might be more that I missed.

  35. Inspector Yuk July 26, 2010 at 1:21 pm #

    Well, one of the people I convo’d about Twilight sent me a thank you for alerting them.

    You know, I don’t tolerate any kind of deception, but the outright, baldfaced lies really bother me. Not to mention adding embellishing details to the descriptions to carry that deception even further.

  36. Life During Wartime July 26, 2010 at 2:21 pm #

    Yuk, I have to accept that Etsy now allows factory made goods.

    But I think it is unethical for Etsy to allow sellers to pretend they make items themselves when they don’t. The kind of people looking for twilightdistinction’s jewelry don’t care whether she makes the stuff or is reselling it.

    Same deal with the ‘rustic’ faux vintage. Etsy can be a collection of gift merchants selling vintage style or shabby shit or whatever. But the site should not allow the shabby/crusty/rusty sellers to pass fakes as vintage.

    Etsy needs to own up to what the site has become.

  37. Cat Power July 26, 2010 at 3:58 pm #

    LDW, what Etsy should do , and what it will do are 2 different things, and is evident to all.

    If they own up to the fact that everybody and their brother can sell everything and anything they wish, then all the dewy eyed, would-be entrepreneurs might think twice about listing their treasures. But if they skirt the issue with”no information” answers to straight questions, they think that all will be well. I really wonder about the collective IQ in those offices. … room temp?

    I really wish that someone would lay a huge lawsuit on them for false representation, but guess that won’t happen in my lifetime.

  38. RocksInMySocks July 26, 2010 at 6:15 pm #

    Inspector Yuk, do you use your regular Etsy account to send convos to the reseller victims? I would hate to see you get kicked off the site if someone reports you. I’ve given serious consideration to making a secret account for just this very thing.

    No one needs to tell me its against the TOU. I’m aware of that but desperate times call for desperate measures.

    I wonder what would happen if Etsy would get flooded with reseller complaints from buyers instead of from other sellers. Maybe then they would take some action.

  39. Inspector Yuk July 26, 2010 at 8:21 pm #

    Nope, I used my regular account. I’m not spreading lies, and I’m not being disrespectful, merely informative. I’m not spamming or trying to sell them anything. Not that that means squat if they want to boot you, but if it happens, it happens.

    Etsy has tied our hands, and as far as I’m concerned it’s up to the community to take care of itself the best way we can.

    So, if they want to boot me, at least I can say it was because I was trying to help, not because I was an asshole in the forums, or I sold faux handmade or vintage.

  40. tippy July 27, 2010 at 2:10 am #

    RE: etsy?

    From:
    DragonWeave
    To: tippy sellers

    That is the same item, from the same manufacturer, but we are not on Etsy as it’s a forum for handcrafted items.

    Regards,
    Nicole

    DragonWeave Jewelry – http://www.dragonweave.com

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