Reader Email- Intellectual Theft

7 Aug

There is this photographer on Etsy with a lot of sales. And he has a lot of pieces of work that look a lot like other people’s.  There are even other people’s items listed in his favorites that are now in his shop. How many coincidences does it take to shift “influenced by” or “inspired by” to “I copied this”. Or “I stole this”?

Original which he has listed as a favorite (screen shot available as this will probably be removed from his favorites):
http://www.etsy.com/listing/41484889/fun
His inspired (?) version:
http://www.etsy.com/listing/48789923/fine-art-carnival-photo-fun

Original, again he has listed as a favorite:
http://www.etsy.com/listing/39727037/del-rio-motel-on-michigan-avevintage
And his ‘inspired’ version:
http://www.etsy.com/listing/50181892/marthas-8×8-fine-art-travel-photography

On sale from another since at least December 2009 as far as we can find:
http://www.etsy.com/transaction/22817212
inspired?
http://www.etsy.com/listing/53212485/red-dawn-8×8-metallic-fine-art

On sale since March 2009 at least too:
http://www.etsy.com/transaction/14907812
inspired, was he?
http://www.etsy.com/listing/49155353/altitude-fine-art-nature-photography

Long existing listings by another:
http://www.etsy.com/listing/51356734/the-london-eye-at-dusk-a-fine-art-travel
http://www.etsy.com/listing/49509083/a-fine-art-travel-carnival-photography
His latest inspiration? Come on, the boy cannot come up with an original idea!
http://www.etsy.com/listing/53276025/new-size-bogo-under-a-canopy-of-stars

Too many of these ‘carnival’ type shots to list, just look at this selection from one seller here (this is a second shop, the other has been opened since 2008):
http://www.etsy.com/shop/elgarboart?section_id=7182218
And compare his newly added ‘inspiration’:
http://www.etsy.com/listing/49913433/floating-fine-art-carnival-photography

On sale since March as far as we can tell as well, he seems to like this other guys stuff a lot:
http://www.etsy.com/listing/52319832/fireflies-and-stardust-a-fine-art-nature
And inspired?
http://www.etsy.com/listing/52121225/new-size-bogo-firmament-fine-art-nature

Oh, he removed that one and rightly so, it is rather awful and pretty obvious, but you can still see it here (yes, we have kept a screen shot of this as well):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bomobob/4819213633/

Sincerely,
Art

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OOh boy, this should be an interesting discussion! -ECO

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68 Responses to “Reader Email- Intellectual Theft”

  1. sick of cupcakes August 7, 2010 at 8:16 am #

    Ut oh. No one is supposed to say anything about Bob except “Oh you’re so cute, I completely agree with everything you say!”.

  2. indieNYC August 7, 2010 at 8:20 am #

    I see that you are drawing a parallel between similar imagery, but, according to copyright law, they would not be considered theft in any of these cases. In one instance, you see fun on a flat surfaced building, and in another you see it in a slightly different font on a building with ridged siding. It’s obviously not the same building or location. Even with the forest shots, the forests are obviously different. Frankly, in Etsy, it’s hard to tell where a lot of the whimsical photoshopped prints are coming from…You never know who is the original photographer, or if they were just downloaded from Flickr and edited in Adobe… Blatant theft of an *exact* image is of more concern to me rather than carnival photos being similar. I mean, how many people have shots of the spinning chair ride at any theme park? I’ve seen a ton of them, and that’s ok because as a consumer I also like to have choices and to pick which one I like best….

  3. freds August 7, 2010 at 9:18 am #

    Damn. He does sail pretty close to the wind, doesn’t he? I mean sure, carnival shots. Every time I look at flickr there’s that shot from below of that damn whirly ride with people swinging out. But others look almost blatant. The one with the stars in the night sky through the trees? Fireflies V Firmament…. “Inspired”, sure…. I reckon he saw what was selling and went for it.

    Tough to decide, isn’t it? Especially when etsy is commercial and so it’s hitting at the bottom line. I can’t help feeling that he is checking around for shots to “inspire” him. Or just rip off. One of those or both.

  4. Life During Wartime August 7, 2010 at 10:08 am #

    Success on Etsy involves copying these days because the venue is so huge. It seems odd, but the more unique choices are available, the more the buyers will want chocolate or vanilla only. Shop owners see what is selling and/or being featured, and they try and offer the same thing.

    I don’t think he can be called out for anything more than lack of originality. The photos are not of the same location/subject or copies of the same orginal.

    My guess about his having the people as favorites before he copies them is a kind of Cathrine Tramell defense: I wouldn’t rip of my favorite sellers linked in my shop — wouldn’t that be stoopid?

  5. weak August 7, 2010 at 10:18 am #

    This is such a boring and uninteresting entry. NEXT!

  6. Inspector Yuk August 7, 2010 at 10:30 am #

    This is really, really difficult for me to weigh in on. I see the similarities, and definitely think that Bob uses other photographer’s work as inspiration. But how is it really any different than all the thousands of cowls or scarves or fingerless gloves, or almost anything else. What about those ‘photo under glass’ jewelry pieces, one person does Poe, another does Shakespeare, another does Bela Lugosi, another does Lon Chaney. I mean, how many flower shots are there? How many close-ups of a bumble bee?

    I think it’s odd that he appears to be so blatant in his inspirations, by having them easily found in his favorites, but maybe it’s because he simply doesn’t feel he’s doing anything wrong.

    I am not a photographer, I can barely get good shots of my stuff to list, but unless he is taking these photog’s actual pictures simply using similar imagery can’t be that egregious, can it? It must take some kind of talent to use another person’s idea (say the forest at night shot) and have a similar feel/atmosphere out of a completely different location.

    If people collect certain images, such as the word ‘fun’, wouldn’t it be great to have different perspectives to choose from, or eventually add all of them to their collection? I love the carnival shots, and though many of them look the same, really, they’re all different. A collector might like one particular photog over another, but someone else may look for a variety of styles and shots.

    I don’t know, like I said, I’m torn. I don’t know the ‘rules’ of photography or the ethics surrounding this particular situation. It would be different if he went to the same locations and tried to copy the exact image, but he’s using a theme and giving it his spin on it.

  7. Inspector Yuk August 7, 2010 at 10:38 am #

    weak Says:
    August 7, 2010 at 10:18 am

    This is such a boring and uninteresting entry. NEXT!
    __________________________________________________________

    ROFL!!!! Well, I don’t know about boring and uninteresting, I think it’s kind of interesting to read people’s thoughts, obviously the OP thought something was amiss here.

    Definitely not as aggravating as resellers and blatant copiers or copyright infringers, but frankly, those get my blood boiling so it’s refreshing to have something less intense to break it up a bit.

  8. crapgawker August 7, 2010 at 11:52 am #

    Great points Inspector Yuk.

    I don’t think this is boring or uninteresting either – I just think that seeing pretty much the same jewelry, photos, cowls, etc. is. There truly are very few original ideas that don’t get copied or jumped on right away. How do you even begin to know who came up with an idea first?

    LOL sick of cupcakes. I’m not a huge fan of the Forum Princes – frankly I throw up a little in my mouth every time the forum regulars start fawning over the guys in the forum, but that really isn’t the guys’ fault.

    As long as Bob took the photos HIMSELF I don’t really have a problem with it.

  9. Eh August 7, 2010 at 11:56 am #

    Would it not be interesting to know what the favorited shop owner / photographer thinks? I agree it looks like SSDD. Not that there is anything wrong with that!

  10. sick of cupcakes August 7, 2010 at 12:47 pm #

    Franky, most of the photography on Etsy looks the same to me. I prefer Deviant Art.

  11. uh-huh August 7, 2010 at 1:17 pm #

    Meh, doesn’t really scream “copying” to me as they’re not exactly the same images.

    P.S.
    All the jewelry sellers using all the same components and photography styles as each other, then running about screaming ‘they copied me!! they copied me!! she’s copying you!! omg I’m so copied!!” is hi-lar-ious.

  12. ow August 7, 2010 at 1:17 pm #

    So sick of the TTV (fake TTV mostly) aqua sky carnival shots, but this seller does seem to have been selling that type of thing since 2008.

    I’m a photographer on Etsy, used to be I actually sold stuff (!!) there, but I refuse to follow Etsy trends and so it goes. So many sellers seem to be engaged in a big circle jerk of copying what sells, it’s hard to even figure out who is copying who now. I’m over it, have been. I occasionally re-new something, but make my money at shows now.

  13. Bootsy August 7, 2010 at 2:03 pm #

    It does look like if he sees something he likes he will go and recreate it. Esp. the digital looking stuff where he seems no better off than imaginestudio.

    I do love TTV however. Just not his.

  14. Lizzy August 7, 2010 at 2:12 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/53305858/gamedaygirlstuff

    Saw this roll across the front page. Bleh

  15. Disgusted August 7, 2010 at 2:14 pm #

    A couple seem to be his attempt to copy someone else’s take on a scene. But others are not that similar.

  16. Cromulent August 7, 2010 at 2:19 pm #

    This is as much photoshop as photography. Everyone can have the same shots but some of his processing is like a direct copy of what others have done. And that’s going some. it’s much harder to deliberately copy someones photoshopping than to create somehting new.

  17. eyefortineye August 7, 2010 at 2:56 pm #

    The photography is a lot more believable when the description tells us where the photo was taken. Not that fakers wouldn’t lie. I understand not wanting to tell the exact locations in some cases because then everybody and their brother would go take the same shots – some of those are pretty special. And yep, with Photoshop and some fun 3rd party filters,*almost* anyone can take someone else’s photo, give it a tweak and suddenly, it’s new art. *scoffing* at the bazillions of carnival shots. Sadly, when I first saw this style, I loved it because it gave me kind of an eerie feeling. But, like many good things, it’s now been done to death in both subject and style.

  18. marn August 7, 2010 at 3:21 pm #

    it’s a fine line between artistic inspiration and plagarism…would be difficult to prove copyright infringement…very different situation than ImagineStudio. it’s very difficult to NOT be influenced by the work of others, especially if you spend a lot of time looking at others’ work.

  19. good lord August 7, 2010 at 5:49 pm #

    this post is just ridiculous. Not only does the poster clearly misunderstand the definition and application of intellectual property, but s/he seems completely oblivious to the fact that 1 in 5 fine art photos on Etsy features a ferris wheel with some photoshop lens flares and an old timey sepia-toned color wash. One can only imagine why this one seller was targeted.

  20. Molls August 7, 2010 at 6:01 pm #

    This guy is so much like that creepy dude who copied the birdhouses. I can’t think of his name but he was just like this bomobob or boomoo or whatever his name happens to be. They both hung out in the forums, offering up their work for admiration and adoration.

    While the birdhouse guy attempted to make exact copies, booboo guy hasn’t, but in the real world of art, booboo guy wouldn’t stand a chance. He’s is waaaaay too influenced by the works of others to be taken seriously. He may be looking for a way to make some fast, easy money with his photography and knows exactly what he’s doing or he’s kind of deluded. I’m guessing it’s a combo of the two. In any case, as an artist, I believe that he’s not crossing the line in terms of copyright infringement, but he certainly appears to be riding on the backs of artists with greater talent.

  21. RocksInMySocks August 7, 2010 at 6:30 pm #

    I absolutely agree with Molls. While it may be “legal”, it’s obvious to me he doesn’t have an original thought in his head. And, even if he did, he spends all freakin’ day in the forums admonishing posters for “calling out” so how in the hell would he have any damn time to come up with original photography ideas?

  22. ashirley August 7, 2010 at 7:40 pm #

    I seriously think you posted this just to cause drama – “oooh boy this should be an interesting discussion” – what the hell? These are WEAK!!! Of COURSE some art is going to be similar – particularly photography since it is based on scenes from real life that we all see!! And what artists aren’t influenced by others? What about all of the “movements” in painting – impressionism, fauvism, etc etc etc? Some of the paintings by different painters are quite similar, but still retain their individuality just the way Bob’s and all of these other artists. Glad you felt the need to cause some drama, ’cause we all need some more of that in our lives. Nice job. Hope you enjoy the “interesting discussions”. And I hope you enjoyed your attempt at ruining the reputation of a good artist, and causing conflict between him and other artists you’ve proposed he’s copied from. Sounds like someone’s a bit jealous, no?

    And, what’s up with the carnival photo-bashing? How many different angles do you think there are of a ferris wheel? You want a photo of a ferris wheel, you have to stand underneath it (unless you’ve got a giant building to stand on top of!) and take a photo look up at the ferris wheel – and good composition guides you as to where to place it in the shot! Where the heck else are you going to place the ferris wheel? Therefore, many of the shots of ferris wheels on etsy look similar. Plus, what goes better with carnival shots than an old-timey feel? The sepia tones, bokeh, etc., are very popular in the photography world right now and CERTAINLY using them does not mean one is copying or stealing. That’s ridiculous. That’s like accusing Vlamnick of copying from Van Gogh! Are we going to dissect through the MOMA and find all of the artists who have similar work and who may have been influenced by things in the art world or culture in general at the time they were painting/drawing/photographing/etc.?

    Seriously. Bob’s photos are certainly not copies – some of these just HINT at similarity! How long did you spend on this?

    I don’t know if you have an etsy shop or not (I refuse to waste my time reading through the drivel of this blog any longer!), but if you do, let me suggest that you spend your time working on it instead of trying to ruin others’.

  23. ashirley August 7, 2010 at 7:41 pm #

    sorry for the poor grammar – I was typing quickly 🙂

  24. Molls August 7, 2010 at 8:41 pm #

    ashirley Says:
    These are WEAK!!! Of COURSE some art is going to be similar – particularly photography since it is based on scenes from real life that we all see!! And what artists aren’t influenced by others? What about all of the “movements” in painting – impressionism, fauvism, etc etc etc? Some of the paintings by different painters are quite similar, but still retain their individuality just the way Bob’s and all of these other artists.
    ———————————————————
    Not even close. First of all, Bob’s photography is certainly not groundbreaking and second, the movements you mention (and all art movements) were populated by real artists who came together, were connected intellectually by combination of conceptual similarities and zeitgeist. At best, Bob’s work is visually pleasant and at worst, it’s altogether derivative and lacking in concept. Compare his work to a fauvist like Derain whose work inspired and sparked future movements? Nope.

    (ashirley, at the risk of branching off into a whole new argument, photography as an artistic medium is not the same as snapping a photo of the pretty trees one might encounter on a stroll.)

  25. babbs39 August 8, 2010 at 2:57 am #

    I agree with Molls et al. Bob’s figured out what sells and hes cashing in. But he does get pretty close at times. That one he took down on Etsy but left up on the Flickr link? The trees are ‘facing’ the same way, the backdrop of stars, nightime shot. That is a departure for booboo. So’s that ferris wheel at night stuff, whereas the other guy seems to have been doing nothing but those carnival shots at night (or close to night).

    And if his latest Original work is any indication he should probably stick to riding coattails. this belongs on regretsy, imo, it shoulda stayed hidden

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/53323523/hidden-splendours-fine-art-flower

  26. BackAgain August 8, 2010 at 8:11 am #

    Similar styles, similar subjects (reminds me of all the gunmetal wire-wrapped round ‘gem’ necklaces that are all over the Front Page at any given time)…unoriginal, yes, but IMO, not worthy of a post here. Copying popular, well-selling styles has become an inbred habit at Etsy, they cause it and indirectly encourage it. You’d have to post every minute of everyday to cover it all here…

  27. Inspector Yuk August 8, 2010 at 9:05 am #

    Maybe it’s because I’m not a photographer, but out of curiosity I did a search for ‘carnival print ferris wheel’ and the results were rather interesting. Many different artists, yet all of the prints looked ‘the same’ to my eye. Different angles, close ups, far away, yet, all the same look.

    How anyone could pick one and say they ‘copied’ another seems more like a personal grudge rather than an objective observation. All of them appear to be capitalizing on a popular trend.

  28. Gila (11m2) August 8, 2010 at 11:06 am #

    Don’t see the point of this post – how is that copying? I mean, really? He took the photo, keeping in mind someone else’s composition or theme, then made it his own.

    Shame to call-out someone who doesn’t deservce it.

    My 2 Cents.
    Gila

  29. stinkypants August 8, 2010 at 11:17 am #

    Maybe we could just stick to this subject: bobo’s hat, does it smell all heady?

  30. Inspector Yuk August 8, 2010 at 11:28 am #

    I heard-tell that his avi isn’t really him at all. He’s actually a bald, fat, 60 year old pervert with thick horn rimmed glasses.

  31. sick of cupcakes August 8, 2010 at 12:05 pm #

    Those cupcakes will flirt with anything.

  32. gifteddesigns August 8, 2010 at 1:17 pm #

    Nope, that’s him. The joys of being in the same city as someone you buy from is you get to pick things up from them.

  33. damn August 8, 2010 at 4:17 pm #

    all that art on etsy is the same ole shit…

  34. bridget August 8, 2010 at 5:47 pm #

    I like and follow this blog. I don’t really see anything here that validates the compainer’s issues. I don’t think there is really anything going on other than the guy is a photographer and offers prints on etsy. I did not see any that looked like copies. None. I wonder about the one who sent the email accusing bobwhateverhisnameis.
    I think that there are a ton of shops on etsy that do need to be called out, resellers, blatant copyright violaters (you know, that other canadian one you featured here a while back) fakes, frauds and phonies. This one disappoints me, as I don’t really see anything here that deserves to be picked apart or reported.

  35. groove is in da heart August 8, 2010 at 6:20 pm #

    I agree with bridget. This is weak. I don’t post in the forums (although I do occasionally read a post or two) but I have seen this guy and his creepy avi of a shirtless guy and I am immune to his charms, so I’m not talking with my hormones here….there are a TON of shops that need to be called out (like these shit for brains fake vintage shops) and this shop isn’t one of them. Yeah, he is definitely being influenced. That is not cause for a call out.

    I just read the site called Closed Threads and it seems someone was stalking this guy and sending him abusive convoes and generally being an ass…..dollars to donuts that’s the person who came here and sent you the links and the “proof” that he’s stealing ideas. Don’t do their dirty work for them.

  36. detroit August 8, 2010 at 6:50 pm #

    Posting first – reading later. My bad…

    But, since when is imitation and inspiration ‘illegal’? I have to go back and review more carefully. But, thus far, this is the first call out I’ve disagreed with.

    I think of all my creative endeavors in life thus far….. I’ve not created them in a vacuum. Yet been inspired by / trying to imitate others.

    That’s the creative process in a nutshell.

  37. groove is in da heart August 8, 2010 at 7:16 pm #

    Ooops the shirtless creepy avi guy isn’t the guy being called out here….lol. Shows you how much I read the forums! Anyway, the rest of my comment, about this not belonging here, is the important part :P~

  38. Eh August 9, 2010 at 7:23 am #

    well, I guess we can all choose what artist we want to emulate. Some have a higher standard than others, is all.

  39. sick of cupcakes August 9, 2010 at 8:10 am #

    Groove, that shirtless guy is indeed creepy!

  40. etsycallout August 9, 2010 at 10:10 am #

    detroit- it is just a discussion on the theory of intellectual theft. To talk about when successful shops favorite items from others and then make an copy- where should the line be? It is an editorial which means that it does not present a side to be agreed or disagreed with. It provides some info from the seller & then it is something to think about and give an opinion about. x

  41. box o' cookies August 9, 2010 at 11:14 am #

    Inspector Yuk Says:
    August 8, 2010 at 9:05 am
    How anyone could pick one and say they ‘copied’ another seems more like a personal grudge rather than an objective observation. All of them appear to be capitalizing on a popular trend.

    i’m getting a vibe that whoever sent this in has been watching this photographer with negative feelings for a long while. i hope it’s not draining too much energy out of this person.

  42. skunkluv August 9, 2010 at 12:54 pm #

    Yes the photos look similar with similar themes, but that can be said about pottery, jewelry, paintings… am I wrong?
    This gives me the feeling of a personal attack rather than a good ‘ol call out. Referring to forum posts makes me think this person has been targeted, sad if this is what comes of being successful on Etsy!

  43. editoreditor August 9, 2010 at 2:38 pm #

    I’ve enjoyed this blog for a long time, and am always happy to see resellers and shops selling Walmart “vintage” get called out, but this post should never have seen the light of day.

    This is nothing more than a feeble attempt by some very small individual to defame someone who happens to be successful. I work as an editor in a newsroom, and I spend my days checking facts. This sad load of rubbish took me 5 minutes to debunk.

    Claim (and the premise of this drivel): booboo sees Del Rio sign photo, faves it, and copies it with his chicken sign photo
    Fact: booboo was selling the chicken sign photo as far back as May 2009 (In his sold items, easy to find. Unless you have shit for brains). The store he supposedly copied from only opened in Jan 2010. Huh! How about that!

    It also appears on his flickrstream from May 2009, a full 7 months before the shop he copied from even existed.
    Martha's

    So maybe this Del Rio guy copied booboo!

    I find it suspicious that the OP went to all the trouble of stalking booboo, even referencing flickr, but strangely failed to find this one. And the next one.

    Fuck off.

    Claim: booboo sees FUN photo, faves it, and copies it.
    Fact: There are no facts. booboo has the photo in his flicker stream as of June 2010, and another shot of the same building on flickr, dated August 2009 (yes folks, just search FUN on booboo’s flickr). Once again the shop he “copied” from only opened Feb 2010.

    This post should be removed.

    ECO, in post #40 you wrote, “To talk about when successful shops favorite items from others and then make an copy”, which is clearly not the case at all.

    This is obviously nothing more than a lethal combination of raging jealousy and erectile dysfunction. booboo seems well liked in the forums and has helped my wife’s photography immensely with his posts on the subject.

    One can only guess the real motive behind this crock of shit.

  44. Ibuprofen August 9, 2010 at 4:37 pm #

    #43 is right on the money. Bob has been around for a long time in the photography world. One can only guess how many photographers on Etsy have tried to emulate him. What a load of hogwash this is.

    Calling out mass-produced dollar store resellers and brand new vintage is a far cry from trying to ruin a reputation His success must piss somebody off BIG time.

  45. etsycallout August 9, 2010 at 4:55 pm #

    editor- We were speaking about the digital tree piece of art or the stars with the ride on the bottom. They looked like a copy to us. We are not referring to the photography where the same “type” of object is shown.

    Please see that his name does not appear in the title or tags so there is no “call out” by us. We purposely did this to keep it about the subject instead of him. Calm down fan club!

  46. etsycallout August 9, 2010 at 5:05 pm #

    meredithdada- you don’t need to change names and post again as a different person to get your point across.

  47. Kirsi August 10, 2010 at 1:31 am #

    etsycallout Says:
    August 9, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    editor- We were speaking about the digital tree piece of art or the stars with the ride on the bottom. They looked like a copy to us. We are not referring to the photography where the same “type” of object is shown.

    Please see that his name does not appear in the title or tags so there is no “call out” by us. We purposely did this to keep it about the subject instead of him. Calm down fan club!
    ———-
    I call BS – If you only wanted to point out the three picture, why were all the others included in the post? Why were only this one seller’s items featured, if you wanted to make an “editorial” on the general subject? Why was it posted in the same format as the regular call-out posts, if you didn’t mean it as a call-out? Why didn’t you vet the info given by the reporter? Calling this an editorial implies some kind of journalistic significance, which you have failed to deliver.

    Fan club? Why don’t you submit this to You thought we wouldn’t notice, and see how it goes with a non-Etsy audience, if you’re worried about our ability to judge on this issue.

  48. Cromulent August 10, 2010 at 5:11 am #

    Wow, checking back in here and it’s gone all argumentative and yelling. Keep it down, folks. People are trying to sleep.

    I’m noticing – apart from the yelling – a split between ppl who are photographers and ppl who aren’t. The former see a problem here with the copying / inspiration. I guess when you’re close to photos and understand the processes involved and the different ways you can present work, you can see how the way this guy seems to switch styles and offer new photos is much more akin to copying than anything else. I mean, I’m sure it’s the same for jewellery and other items on etsy: the people who make the stuff know the techniques, know the tools, know how a specific effect can be achieved. I wouldn’t have a clue.

    I think the OP had a reasonable point. I think Callout were right to post this, if only to highlight that this guy is unoriginal to say the least.

  49. Cromulent August 10, 2010 at 5:12 am #

    Also, do ppl really call him booboo?

  50. mosquitoebites August 10, 2010 at 6:00 am #

    This is interesting. I was going to do my first Treasury the other day and decided to do Carnival/Fair theme. I looked up those keywords and on the first page there was 3 photos from 3 different sellers of Ferris Wheels taken at the same angle. They looked almost identical. I said screw it and gave up.

  51. etsycallout August 10, 2010 at 8:51 am #

    Kirsi- so editorial to you means journalistic significance? Wow. The definition is “stating opinions or giving perspectives”. Look it up.

    It was a readers email. All the links included were in the information sent. Because we specifically pointed out the digital art as being suspect does not mean the rest of the links did not need to be included. Formatting? What about Readers Email do you not understand?!

  52. etsycallout August 10, 2010 at 4:51 pm #

    you give a definition from 1830?

    The definition we gave is from the online Princeton dictionary- http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=editorial

  53. damn August 11, 2010 at 2:54 am #

    many of those photographers just find pictures online edit them and make them all cute and shit…fake asses

  54. shirley August 11, 2010 at 3:01 am #

    “damn”, no they don’t. They really actually do NOT do that, at all. Get a clue.

  55. shirley August 11, 2010 at 4:34 am #

    Here’s my theory. It may be wrong, but here it is – I’m thinking RaceyTay is jealous of Bob’s sales and nice images, and decided to do a little ‘calling out’.

  56. Cromulent August 11, 2010 at 4:48 am #

    shirley:
    Raceytay sales: 655 in a bit under a year.
    Bob’s sales: 1,352 in a bit under 2.5 years.

    Youd think it would be the other way if anything. Some jealousy of the new kid on the block.

    I struggle to sell an image a month so good luck to both of ’em with those figures.

  57. shirley August 11, 2010 at 4:54 am #

    I just saw someone posted below me (thought I could race back here and ask this before anyone noticed my comment!) – but anyway, I do feel a little guilty about the mudslinging, would it be possible to remove my previous comment (#56)? I feel a little bad about it – even if it’s true, but particularly if it’s not 🙂 I shouldn’t have said that, it wasn’t nice. I originally was posting here to – yes – defend Bob and etsy photography in general, but I got a bit caught up in things and shouldn’t have posted what I did. Is it possible to remove that please? Thanks.

  58. editoreditor August 11, 2010 at 5:24 am #

    Well, this is getting a bit silly. Clearly this isn’t about either of those two, but about the OP him/herself.

    Am I the only one who also noticed the balloon photo the OP says was “inspired” by elgaroart’s shop, was being sold by booboo before elgarboart’s shop existed??

    I mean, seriously? What’s this REALLY about?

  59. JewelJewel August 11, 2010 at 9:03 am #

    I think stories like this make the whole blog look bad – makes it lose some credibility. Do your research before you throw someone under the bus. Even if he is taking advantange of current trends, I think a lot of full-time artists have to do that to some extent to put food on the table. I’m SURE he takes other photos that aren’t necessarily in style right now. Sometimes you have to do what sells. And I think all of these photographers are very talented, including bob. How can anyone say he “doesn’t have a creative bone in his body” when it’s impossible for you to know what work he has done that isn’t up in him shop. Shame on you.

  60. detroit August 11, 2010 at 8:33 pm #

    ditoreditor Says:
    August 9, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    …booboo…

    _____________________

    LOL a lot!

    This call out is funny and weird!

  61. sick of cupcakes August 11, 2010 at 9:17 pm #

    booboo! That’s what I call my cat.

  62. popstarprincess August 15, 2010 at 3:38 am #

    This is a really ridiculous discussion – you may as well ask who’s copying who in the tutu mafia, or why so many people sell owl stuff that all looks remarkably similar.

    Certain things sell really well on etsy, and people capitalize on it. Good for them. If you checked out bomobo’s photostream on flickr, you’d notice that he does take different styles of photos from what he sells on etsy, but that he’s obviously done his market research and figured out what etsy buyers like.

    Honestly I reckon whoever sent that email has something against Bob, and it makes me sad that they’re letting him take up all that space in their heads.

    Bet Bob’s laughing all the way to the bank.

  63. Knot August 17, 2010 at 12:59 pm #

    What a load of fucking rubbish.

    This site, if it had any credibility, has just fucking lost it.

  64. Marie September 5, 2010 at 9:31 am #

    He DID copy! Especially the fun one. Maybe not to the point of being illegal, but he copied nonetheless.

  65. 16gb September 22, 2010 at 10:24 pm #

    Does not copy? He had to make this photograph look this way on purpose.

    Irenes, Etsys top selling photographer:
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/56583538/snowblind-fine-art-photograph-winter

    Booboos newest print:
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/57011605/bluster-fine-art-nature-photography

    He’s a hack and he isn’t fooling anyone.

  66. really? September 24, 2010 at 6:32 am #

    Yes because no one’s taken a photo of trees, sky or a fucking hot air balloon before.

    Are we going to have a discussion now as to whether using photoshop on pics is really art? Cause that would be just as useful.

  67. Onyx June 1, 2012 at 10:45 am #

    He’s been doing this online for years! Everyone knows it except the customers, unfortunately. Creativity is 50% of art Bob. Get a clue!

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