spizzpin

12 Aug

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This user has a shop full of so called Antique Genuine Ivory Pieces. Yet she has purchased many items from other users which were not ivory and has relisted them as genuine ivory. Heres one example.
Bought http://www.etsy.com/transaction/31828893
Now claiming to be genuine Alaskan ivory http://www.etsy.com/listing/53270904/gorgeous-and-thick-vintage-alaskan
This person is freaking nuts, and making money of it. Some people are really handing over the bucks and receiving old resin pins and brooches. I really think she needs a good lashing.

She also resells left and right. I don’t think she even knows what ivory is since she will list any and everything as it.

http://www.etsy.com/transaction/31396932
RESELL http://www.etsy.com/listing/53444103/antique-asian-chinese-carved-bone

http://www.etsy.com/listing/43247755/gorgeous-3-faces-goddess-925-sterling
http://www.etsy.com/listing/43242068/gorgeous-goddess-925-sterling-silver
http://www.etsy.com/listing/43243824/gorgeous-and-large-smiling-goddess-925
Maybe she bought out Sajen recently?? http://www.sajenjewelry.com/search_db.php?category=Goddesses
I think Sajen claims they make many of their items from cow bone??

http://www.etsy.com/transaction/31337873
RESELL http://www.etsy.com/transaction/32527380

How many pairs of these does she have?
http://www.etsy.com/transaction/31390357
http://www.etsy.com/transaction/31865163
http://www.etsy.com/transaction/30784541

Just put it on a different hook
http://www.etsy.com/transaction/29103913
http://www.etsy.com/transaction/24356367

I guess she has a few of these laying around too??
http://www.etsy.com/transaction/28002519
AND ANOTHER http://www.etsy.com/listing/49182824/magnificent-and-rare-large-vintage-ivory

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117 Responses to “spizzpin”

  1. boots August 12, 2010 at 9:38 am #

    maybe i’m stupid but aren’t mammoths fucking extinct? who the hell thinks they are buying ivory from the dinosaur age for $57?

  2. Inspector Yuk August 12, 2010 at 9:59 am #

    I don’t have all day to go through her shop, and agree that some of her stuff is suspicious, BUT, in going down her list of feedback from sellers, I noticed a number of sellers she purchased from appeared to not know what they had. I think in at least one case she might have been ‘had’ in purchasing a necklace that was called ivory that she disassembled and called cow bone and sold the components separately.

    She also bought things that clearly the seller had no idea what they were selling, and if she is as experienced as she claims, she may have known or had a good idea that it was actually ivory and she got it at a good price.

    I had no idea that pre-ban ivory was so plentiful though, and I would have thought it would be a bit pricier since it is supposed to be rare and obviously a non-renewable resource.

    Unless I absolutely loved something enough not to care if it was truly ivory or not, I wouldn’t just go on her say-so or take any of these sellers at their word, there are just too many that have no real knowledge about what they are selling.

    I read in the forums last night (and this isn’t the first time) someone asking about a stone they were selling. Someone with obviously more knowledge explained that what they were selling was not a genuine gemstone but a composite of dyed materials. The seller claimed she was using the name the supplier gave it. Which is fine, as long as you know, and clearly explain in your description, what the stone really is.

    I see this so much on Etsy, in many categories. In some cases, it benefits a savvy buyer who can spot a real bargain, but more often than not, it fools unsuspecting buyers into believing they have something genuine.

    I’ve become such a cautious buyer now, that I rarely buy anything on Etsy anymore. This blog has really opened my eyes up to the necessity of being an informed consumer

  3. sick of cupcakes August 12, 2010 at 10:19 am #

    Wise words, Ms. Yuk.

  4. Life During Wartime August 12, 2010 at 10:22 am #

    I also think that some of her items may be genuine. There are pre-ban ivory jewelry pieces around.

    Because of the ban, selling genuine pieces is more difficult and more of a specialist field. One I know nothing about. If a seller purchased an under-priced vintage item on Etsy and is reselling it for an amount closer to its real market value doesn’t mean the item is fake.

  5. eyefortineye August 12, 2010 at 10:24 am #

    All that she left out was “long walks on the beach and crying at sad movies” creepy profile.

  6. Blue Kitty August 12, 2010 at 10:25 am #

    For boots

    http://www.mammothivory.info/

  7. Inspector Yuk August 12, 2010 at 11:40 am #

    Well, after doing a little google research on mammoth ivory, it appears it is more plentiful than I thought. Especially because of the restrictions on elephant ivory. And it also appears that identification requires some scientific testing and is not simply a case of “oh, this is mammoth” with no evidence to back it up.

    Frankly, it boggles my mind when I see sellers, especially those that claim to have extensive background in a given area, leave out pertinent information that backs up their claims. They throw names and terms around and don’t provide a shred of information to back it up.

    I recently observed a conversation from a seller looking for information on a potentially rare and expensive item. Besides the fact that she obviously purchased this item without sufficient verification or knowledge, it was a surprise to me that she had to be told to take it to an expert for certification so she could back up her claim with a written appraisal. Obviously, you can’t do that with everything you sell, but geezum crow, at least give the buyer some information as to why you believe something is what you claim it is.

  8. Sara August 12, 2010 at 11:59 am #

    She bought a necklace from me in 2009 that is actually pre-ban ivory from NE From of Denmark. Provenance from my grandmother, researched it, discovered it was worth probably between $300 and $500, depending on auctions elsewhere.

    My Dad thought the necklace was cursed and was very motivated to sell it quickly, but you can’t sell ivory overseas and I had no idea how to auction it or send it to someone to auction (the few places I contacted said they would only auction if they decided it was worth more than $500 anyway, which seemed unlikely).

    So long story short, I sold it to her for I think $250, not too too much under what I think was the real value and like I said we wanted to sell it as quickly as possible.

  9. Inspector Yuk August 12, 2010 at 12:35 pm #

    Sara, that’s actually very interesting. I’m guessing you included that information in your listing. I’m curious about the curse, though.

    I have no qualms about motivations behind selling price. As long as you know what you’re selling and provide that information to the buyer. Not you personally, I mean you generally.

  10. um no August 12, 2010 at 12:36 pm #

    Here’s a fun shop…. http://www.etsy.com/shop/FashionDiva5281

  11. Inspector Yuk August 12, 2010 at 12:43 pm #

    Psssst….have you won the lottery since you got rid of the necklace? lol

  12. Life During Wartime August 12, 2010 at 12:52 pm #

    It’s a flea market ^^^ and impossible to shut down.

    There are legit supplies in there, a couple of items which may be vintage, a few things that look handmade. And that will stop Etsy from being concerned about all the rest of the reseller carp.

    Etsy should have a bot searching for “Hannah Montana” reseller jewelry, for example. It shouldn’t be up to us to flag no-brainer items which require no crafting skills or vintage knowledge to identify.

  13. Inspector Yuk August 12, 2010 at 12:56 pm #

    um no Says:
    August 12, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Here’s a fun shop…. http://www.etsy.com/shop/FashionDiva5281
    __________________________________________________________

    What a junk store. I’m sure all that stuff is handmade, yep. This 29 year old ‘crafter’ should be horsewhipped.

  14. Inspector Yuk August 12, 2010 at 7:38 pm #

    Oooh…I’m a threadkiller!!!!!!!!!

  15. Life During Wartime August 12, 2010 at 7:51 pm #

    OMG, Yuk! As a prize, you get to horsewhip the “crafter”.

  16. Inspector Yuk August 12, 2010 at 8:43 pm #

    Lemmee at her.

  17. JohnCock August 13, 2010 at 2:37 am #

    I wanna watch!

  18. JohnCock August 13, 2010 at 4:15 am #

    Any minute shred of respect I might have had for this seller is gone. She knows better than to sell a counterfeit bag:

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/53716746/vintage-french-co-louis-vuitton-speedy

  19. sick of cupcakes August 13, 2010 at 4:59 am #

    50 bucks for a fake LV? I wouldn’t pay that for an authentic one. What an ass.

  20. eyefortineye August 13, 2010 at 6:46 am #

    okay, here’s the thing: I’ve been reading that it’s illegal to SELL knock-off designer bags, but legal to BUY them. If this is so, you would think it would be a remarkably easy decision for Etsy to remove those that are self-proclaimed FAKEs.

    Anybody have different info because I can’t believe it would be so easy.

  21. JohnCock August 13, 2010 at 7:35 am #

    Its a felony to sell counterfeits. But etsy is a venue….blah blah blah.

  22. JohnCock August 13, 2010 at 8:04 am #

    Love these craft scissors tagged fendi, LV, gucci….

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/StealthInnovations?ref=seller_info

    Nothing handmade here and all mistagged supplies.

  23. detroit August 13, 2010 at 9:44 am #

    I have no idea if the ivory stuff is legit or not. But, based on the way the seller describes her stuff, I have a feeling she doesn’t either. I wouldn’t trust her in the slightest.

    A little knowledge is a dangerous thing….as they say. Seems like she can recognize things that MAY be ivory. And that’s as far as her knowledge goes.

  24. detroit August 13, 2010 at 9:49 am #

    From the Vuitton bag listing:

    “Circa 80s, the interior tags are missing so I’m not 100% positive this is a French Co bag, though I’ve read that…..”

    Admittedly I don’t know anything about the genuine Vuitton market. But isn’t it odd that the interior labels would be missing from an authentic bag?

    And wouldn’t a real bag be worth more than that?

    These shenanigans do make the whole rest of their shop appear suspect. A real bad look.

  25. Inspector Yuk August 13, 2010 at 10:23 am #

    You know, I wonder if AustinModern realizes the damage she’s done to herself by listing the LV bag. Her credibility just went out the window. Previously I had looked at her as knowing her stuff and being honest.

    I know very little about vintage, even less about designer crap. But, I do know that common sense would tell me a couple of things. Absent tags, either removed or never had, would be a red flag. No one in their right mind would remove a designer tag from an authentic bag. If you can’t prove something to be what you claim, you don’t list it. It may very well be 20 years old, or older and it may be functional, but those aren’t the selling points the seller is using. She’s using the designer name without proving it’s authentic designer product.

    Ugh, whatever happened to ‘if I’m not sure I don’t list it’? Oh, that’s right, it’s Etsy.

  26. Life During Wartime August 13, 2010 at 11:12 am #

    What happened to Austin? I thought her vintage shop used to be the ‘stuff’. It’s bad judgement to let Etsy’s trend machine set your professional (???) standards for what to list as vintage.

    There are quite a few items that I wouldn’t even try to date (unless they were from an estate of someone I knew from birth) because they are so generic. Stuff you can buy in a nice Asian import shop today, or any time between now and maybe the 60s. Many generic traditional style department store nicer housewares. Eh. Another Hindsvik in larval form.

  27. JohnCock August 13, 2010 at 12:37 pm #

    How would you know if it was French Co if there were no labels?

    We all make mistakes as vintage sellers but this is no mistake. This is intentional and criminal. If I had any notion that a LV bag was authentic, I would do whatever it took to authenticate it so I could take the big bucks with a legit sale. This bag is very obviously fake. A big tip off is the shape of the leather tag on the end of the bag.

  28. Inspector Yuk August 13, 2010 at 1:31 pm #

    LDW, that’s so true. If I want ‘the look’ I can go to Pier 1 or any number of other stores to get it. I’m not being deceived by the wording that something *Might* be authentic whatever.

    Can you imagine going into a Coach store and seeing a shelf of items they can’t guarantee are genuine? What would that do to their credibility? Anyone who has built up a respectable reputation should steer clear of anything questionable. Ok, so you don’t know exactly if the item is genuine, how do you know for certain it’s vintage? Unless you bought it 20 years ago yourself, then you’d obviously know it was real or fake.

    Supposing someone bought it and was able to authenticate it as a knock off. Does the seller have any protection because they stated they didn’t know for sure? I can think of a couple of different scenarios where ignorance is not an excuse and you could be legally prosecuted.

    I would think that if there was no mention of the designer at all in the listing, letting a customer draw their own conclusions would be more ethical than leading them to believe there is a possibility that they might be buying a designer item. I have an issue with people using a brand to draw customers in and then not being able to substantiate the use of that brand.

    Like I said earlier, her reputation, in my eyes, has taken a huge dive.

  29. JK August 13, 2010 at 1:44 pm #

    I’m really surprised AustinModern would list something as spurious as that bag.

  30. Life During Wartime August 13, 2010 at 2:30 pm #

    But she says in another listing that she knows LV:

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/23729966/vintage-gucci-accessory-collection-purse
    ” I am a vintage Vuitton girl and know more about the Vuittons than Gucci, so please ask questions.”

  31. Maulani August 13, 2010 at 2:52 pm #

    I’m sorry to interupt. But is that Hindsvik you’re talking about (and i was reading about it here) on FP again with “vintage” Red Metal Drawer??

    “This blog has really opened my eyes up to the necessity of being an informed consumer”.
    I’m agree 100% Ms. Yuk.

  32. losinghope August 13, 2010 at 3:00 pm #

    That red drawer has been on the FP a couple of times this week in red treasuries. I’m sure there are lots of other red items that could have been in its place. WTF!!!

    And, while we’re talking FP. What’s with the eyeball that is on a couple of times a day. 8 jillions items on etsy and we see the same ones all the time!
    “falls off soapbox”

  33. detroit August 13, 2010 at 4:52 pm #

    Life During Wartime Says:
    August 13, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    But she says in another listing that she knows LV:

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/23729966/vintage-gucci-accessory-collection-purse
    ” I am a vintage Vuitton girl and know more about the Vuittons than Gucci, so please ask questions.”
    _______________________________________

    So, she prices the ‘vintage’ Gucci (doubt it), at the low price of $110. Because she’s a Vuitton girl, and isn’t as expert on Gucci.

    But then she prices the ‘vintage’ Vuitton at $50, and implies that it IS the real deal, and vintage.

    But if you do two seconds of research, you know that if she had any inkling the Vuitton bag was real, she’d be asking a lot more.

    Oh, why, oh why would someone want to wade into the cheap and tawdry world of brand name Italian handbags??

    Just makes you look like your store belongs in (insert your local flea market / cell phone accessory stand / junk shop here)

  34. detroit August 13, 2010 at 4:56 pm #

    I mean – on Etsy, the second I see ‘vintage’ Vuitton, Gucci, Coach, Hermes, Burberry, etc. etc…

    I immediately move on. If it’s in your shop…..NEXT! I do not trust your taste, or expertise, and will not buy from you. Period.

  35. detroit August 13, 2010 at 5:00 pm #

    And to be positive about Etsy and the front page, I thought these woven bamboo scarves were really nice:

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/46464290/yellow-and-grey-handwoven-bamboo-scarf?ref=fp_feat_8

    Now, please no one harsh my mellow and inform me that these are, in fact, made by tiny Persian children – lol. I want to believe this is a nice store!

  36. sick of cupcakes August 13, 2010 at 6:47 pm #

    Those scarves are beautiful!!! Makes me sad that it’s almost scarf weather here.

  37. Disgusted August 13, 2010 at 6:58 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/46464290/yellow-and-grey-handwoven-bamboo-scarf?ref=fp_feat_8
    ____
    those are really nice and really handmade by the shop owner. refreshing!

  38. Elle August 13, 2010 at 8:23 pm #

    That “LV” bag is definitely fake. Don’t even need to read the description to see that. LV NEVER, EVER cuts off their logo at the seams, the authentic bags are lined up so the seams never run through their logo. Basic fake bag detection 101. Way to ruin your shop’s rep over $50. Boo.

  39. Andrea August 13, 2010 at 9:05 pm #

    This shop is marking things handmade AND vintage yet admits in her announcement that she buys her jewelry from estate sales. How is that handmade?

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/kbjewels?ref=seller_info

  40. Disgusted August 14, 2010 at 4:47 am #

    This shop is marking things handmade AND vintage yet admits in her announcement that she buys her jewelry from estate sales. How is that handmade?

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/kbjewels?ref=seller_info
    _____
    I didn’t see anything stating “handmade” here. While I think most of this does fall into the “vintage” (as in 1980s vintage) category, a little bit of it is questionable as to date.

  41. jelly belly August 14, 2010 at 7:49 am #

    She’s tagging with ‘jewelry’ as the first tag, not vintage. So they go into the handmade category. Because etsy is stupid as shit and doesn’t understand how to make tagging make sense to people.

  42. BooBoo August 14, 2010 at 10:04 am #

    what jelly belly said. It’s been “in the pipeline” for years now to de-confuse the instructions and the conflicting drop-down menu.
    In fact they have been promising to fix it for so long I think it went into the wrong ‘pipe”– right down the sewer.

  43. kitten August 14, 2010 at 10:12 am #

    Stunned that AustinModern would go to the dark side. I trust NO ONE now! O-0

  44. JohnCock August 14, 2010 at 11:31 am #

    I don’t think its her first foray there.

  45. Life During Wartime August 14, 2010 at 1:08 pm #

    On the front page right now:
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/44364417/rusty-brown-sleek-silk-thread-wrapped?ref=fp_feat_12

    ‘Handmade’ cheap jewelry from India.

    The shop is not about designing unique products and hiring local people to make them. Their inventory is simple assembled products, not original designs. Not made by the seller. No Profile, no Policies. Reseller of factory made goods.

  46. kitten August 14, 2010 at 2:07 pm #

    JohnCock Says:

    I don’t think its her first foray there.
    ___________________________

    Really? I guess I haven’t been paying attention. It just surprised me that AustinModern would stoop to selling counterfeit purses. (and even if it’s not counterfeit, she admits she really knows nothing about it in her description.) I’ve bought from her before, so maybe that’s why I’m so disappointed.

  47. detroit August 14, 2010 at 4:39 pm #

    kitten Says:
    August 14, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    JohnCock Says:

    I don’t think its her first foray there.
    ___________________________

    Really? I guess I haven’t been paying attention. It just surprised me that AustinModern would stoop to selling counterfeit purses. (and even if it’s not counterfeit, she admits she really knows nothing about it in her description.) I’ve bought from her before, so maybe that’s why I’m so disappointed.
    _______________________________

    Eeeew! S/he’s been busted selling fake handbags before. Was perusing the not-so-perfect feedback. Check this – fake Dooney and Bourke. Really?:

    http://www.etsy.com/people/AustinModern/feedback?page=7

    Halfway down….

  48. PussDaddy August 14, 2010 at 5:02 pm #

    This seller is just one “I” away from being a total fucking spazz.

  49. Akhenaten August 14, 2010 at 5:03 pm #

    A brave soul calling out an obvious manufacturer.

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6601335&page=1

  50. PussDaddy August 14, 2010 at 5:10 pm #

    Those designer handbags are so fugly. I dont’ know why anyone would buy one. I admit that I am tickled when people pay $19.99 for one and it is fake and they have a fit about it. They deserve to get ripped off just because they want to carry something so fucking fugly and for buying into the namebrand hype. They deserve it more than Etsy buyers do, dontcha think cupcake?

  51. detroit August 14, 2010 at 6:33 pm #

    UGH! That Southernliving BS has been called out FOREVER!!! Etsy – HELLOOO!
    Anyone with brains there?

  52. Life During Wartime August 14, 2010 at 7:40 pm #

    PD, I think those bags are ugly, too. They are so 70s. And the 70s weren’t called the ‘ugly decade’ for nothing!

  53. sparkalicious August 14, 2010 at 7:42 pm #

    I have been fighting the fake Hermes and Chanel listings for ages, and it’s like shoveling seawater. There are a FEW authentic vintage pieces but the majority are fakes, and bad ugly ones at that. About 99% of ALL the Vuitton and Gucci is fake and from China.

    I have tried to educate sellers who seemed to be genuinely uncertain of what they had – sometimes their response was to change their listings so yay for them. The rest ignored me or told me that obviously I didn’t know WTF I was talking about.

    Etsy, of course, does not care one way or the other. And I am wondering why I should…..but it still annoys the livin crap out of me. Guess I will continue to do my little bit to scrape an inch of the shite off Etsy.

  54. sparkalicious August 14, 2010 at 7:44 pm #

    PS: Jen Maestre is AWESOME and brave. Go Jen!

  55. sick of cupcakes August 14, 2010 at 8:03 pm #

    Still on my case, eh Puss? Just because I dared to say that buyers have to protect themselves.

    How dare I suggest that people do some research before handing over their hard earned money to some anonymous seller one Etsy!

  56. sick of cupcakes August 14, 2010 at 8:05 pm #

    *on

  57. PussDaddy August 14, 2010 at 11:40 pm #

    For fuck’s sake. I am not on anyone’s case. I simply asked if you agreed considering your own stupid buyer philosophy, cupcake.

    I hate to see Jen get muted. Although I get the feeling Jen doesn’t give a shit anymore either.

    Hell, even when you do point out what a seller is doing wrong they go apeshit nuts and want to call the police on you. Like this person
    http://twitter.com/poppysgarden
    who has been ranting for 2 days and wants to report me, block me, send the cops after me, and lock me up in a nuthouse for daring to question if her Hello Kitty hat is a copyright infringement
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/53714513/hello-kitty-dress-up-ears
    because as a consumer I don’t have the right to question this shit, I should just sit back and swallow whatever these sellers try to spoon feed me. So maybe it isn’t as easy as it seems, cupcake, to as a buyer try to question some of this shit. I know I have been quesitoning a lot of shit sellers say and do and how it reflects upon them as sellers and upon their businesses and how it effects me as a buyer or how as a buyer I interpret it but all I do is get accused of trying to “ruin the businesses of good Etsy sellers” and a bunch of blogs made about me. Because we all know it’s ok for the sellers to make asses of themselves (even on a public forum), it’s just not ok for anyone to point it out or expound on it or discuss it.

    No I don’t think buyers are the end all solution or cure-all to all that is wrong at Etsy, or with the handmade movement period. I do however think buyers enable a lot of this stuff just by the simple act of buying. I think the majority of them buy in good faith tho, while the majority who list this crap cannot possible be doing it in good faith to begin with because they know it is wrong. But I already did my it is similar to shopping and Walmart and being condemned straight to hell for all the world’s woes because of it comparison so I’ll skip it this time.

  58. detroit August 15, 2010 at 3:23 am #

    sparkalicious Says:
    August 14, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    PS: Jen Maestre is AWESOME and brave. Go Jen!
    _________________________________________________

    Eeek! Why is her shop empty? Is she boycotting Etsy? Or is this call-out punishment?

  59. Ron UH OH August 15, 2010 at 4:34 am #

    There is so much fake Chanel Gucci and Vuitton jewelry on etsy.Its kind of weird as nothing is done new sellers come on with the same type pieces claiming they made them with authentic chanel or gucci buttons.There are not 1000s of designer buttons laying around waiting to be made into jewelry.If you check the sellers feedback you see they have bought the buttons in bulk from etsy.

  60. Disgusted August 15, 2010 at 5:31 am #

    On the front page right now:
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/44364417/rusty-brown-sleek-silk-thread-wrapped?ref=fp_feat_12

    ‘Handmade’ cheap jewelry from India.

    The shop is not about designing unique products and hiring local people to make them. Their inventory is simple assembled products, not original designs. Not made by the seller. No Profile, no Policies. Reseller of factory made goods.
    _______
    How much would you like to wager these are made by tiny children’s hands for pennies each day?

  61. sick of cupcakes August 15, 2010 at 8:46 am #

    Garage sale.

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/gatormom13

  62. Life During Wartime August 15, 2010 at 9:15 am #

    gatormom thinks she’s on Ebay.

    Disgusted, I do think the cheap Indian jewelry is probably made by children, and any other form of exploited labor that’s around. Etsy was supposed to be the place to shop online where you would NOT FIND that kind of merchandise. Wrong….

  63. detroit August 15, 2010 at 5:48 pm #

    Does anyone know what’s going on with Jen? Why’s her store empty (yet cufflink store is still full up)????

  64. sick of cupcakes August 15, 2010 at 6:23 pm #

    Puss that is exactly why people have to be cautious about buying. NO ONE, especially etsy is going to protect a buyer. You HAVE to be smart about spending money. Of course as a buyer you are supposed to question shit. When have I ever said otherwise? You seem to have decided to aim your rants at me for whatever reason, like I am the root of all that is evil.

  65. star August 15, 2010 at 7:31 pm #

    I saw Jen say in another post she was taking a break from etsy; and certainly cant blame her. This isn’t the first callout she’s made in the past month. I hope she doesn’t get banned either.

    How could forum mods not be embarrassed defending resellers or not admit there is a problem when its so glaringly obvious? How stupid do they think we are?? Its ridiculous.

  66. PussDaddy August 15, 2010 at 9:27 pm #

    I sure hope Jen is just taking a break and did not get muted. It is not worth getting muted for because you getting muted is not going to change a damn thing or help in any way (especially yourself). Sellers need the forum to be seen and ask for advice and getting muted is not going to help you and in a week people will be going Suzy? Suzy who? It’s not like anyone is going to remember or appreciate that you went down as a martyr or whatever. I mean I can see how it pissed you off but don’t let it piss you off to your own detriment, unless you have decided you just don’t give a shit anymore.

  67. PussDaddy August 15, 2010 at 9:31 pm #

    That garage sale person, gatormom, is her stuff vintage? I am no vintage expert, but if it’s vintage and they allow vintage on Etsy I don’t see the problem. To me it is the same as picking apart a rival’s shop saying your stuff looks better than theirs. If it isn’t vintage then it doesn’t belong there.

  68. amused August 16, 2010 at 12:52 am #

    Oh please……….

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/artofjewel

  69. Akhenaten August 16, 2010 at 2:23 am #

    Looks like an openly proud reseller is moving their resale shop off-Etsy, and calling themselves out in the process. Hah. At least she’s leaving. http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6602272

  70. Blue Kitty August 16, 2010 at 3:49 am #

    I spoke to Jen, she’s OK, very busy and sick of obvious resellers like the rest of us are but OK.

    Hope that seller of Indian made jewellery does leave. Got a screenshot of their declaration in case it suddenly changes to “lovingly handmade by me”

  71. Blue Kitty August 16, 2010 at 3:51 am #

    I spoke to Jen, she is OK, very busy and sick of resellers like we all are but OK.

    I hope that seller of Indian made jewellery does leave. I got a screenshot of their declaration in case it suddenly changes to “lovingly handmade by me” .

  72. Blue Kitty August 16, 2010 at 5:05 am #

    Sorry about the double post, I dropped my keyboard as I entered the first one and it didn’t show up so thought it was my computer and did it again. That didn’t show either for a few minutes when both of them appeared. Duh.

  73. mosquitoebites August 16, 2010 at 6:23 am #

    Looks like an openly proud reseller is moving their resale shop off-Etsy, and calling themselves out in the process. Hah. At least she’s leaving. http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6602272
    ————————————————–
    After people started calling her out, she put her shop on vacation. Then people flagged the post for promoting an off site website on Etsy, and they closed the mentioning “please don’t call out” but saying nothing of the rule the OP broke.

  74. detroit August 16, 2010 at 8:00 am #

    star Says:
    August 15, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    I saw Jen say in another post she was taking a break from etsy; and certainly cant blame her. This isn’t the first callout she’s made in the past month. I hope she doesn’t get banned either.

    How could forum mods not be embarrassed defending resellers or not admit there is a problem when its so glaringly obvious? How stupid do they think we are?? Its ridiculous.

    _________________________________________

    I don’t know a lot about Jen. But it’s my understanding that she’s a pretty high profile Etsian. And has artwork in galleries, etc. And handmakes something really unique and creative. Is featured in a lot of ‘lifestyle’ blogs.

    Perfect for Etsy’s image. Lotsa free advertising and promotion. Totally has the Etsy ‘look’.

    BUT, they’re willing to give people like that up? The people who helped make them…… And at the same time welcome the plastic factory trinket resellers with open arms?

    Are they trying to commit corporate suicide?

  75. sick of cupcakes August 16, 2010 at 8:04 am #

    Isn’t that sad, Detroit? Jen is an amazing artist but etsy chooses garbage over her.

  76. Gila (11m2) August 16, 2010 at 9:23 am #

    Jen also has her items in a mail-order catalog right now, and think she just needs to concentrate on that. I am sure she’ll be back (I have an urchin from her at home.)

  77. Life During Wartime August 16, 2010 at 9:48 am #

    I love Jen’s work. She was a big part of the look of the OLD Etsy, when originality and skill and good design mattered.

  78. Disgusted August 16, 2010 at 10:03 am #

    Jen has something original and creative. Etsy is turning its back on artists like her and instead violating its own TOU’s.

  79. eyefortineye August 16, 2010 at 10:39 am #

    Distinct possibility that the etsy owners have had a taste of success, and now want a share of the ebay monster. Etsy may have started with a noble idea and intent, but $$ have swayed the most ardent, starry-eyed windmill tilters.

  80. Life During Wartime August 16, 2010 at 10:52 am #

    On Ebay sellers can be more honest about selling new, non-handmade, items as what they are.

    Ebay goes after fake designer merchandise. And unlicensed use of copyrighted material. That’s why sellers like southernliving (the cufflinks shop) are flocking to Etsy.

  81. JohnCock August 16, 2010 at 11:49 am #

    Jen should fuck etsy up the ass and leave. I think if more high profile quality sellers like her left (and were vocal about why), it might get some attention.

    Jen doesn’t need etsy. I am not sure why she would continue to give them any more money.

  82. Inspector Yuk August 16, 2010 at 1:13 pm #

    JohnCock Says:
    August 16, 2010 at 11:49 am

    Jen should fuck etsy up the ass and leave. I think if more high profile quality sellers like her left (and were vocal about why), it might get some attention.

    Jen doesn’t need etsy. I am not sure why she would continue to give them any more money.
    ____________________________________________________________

    You know though, unless they get so much outside business that Etsy sales become a hindrance, I don’t see them ever completely closing the door on Etsy.

    They achieved success on Etsy, whether or not it was actually because of Etsy (the brand) doesn’t matter. More likely it was a combination of the right place at the right time with work on the part of the seller as well as Etsy influence. That’s hard to turn your back on. Not discounting her hard work, or anyone’s, but I think as hard as you might work, other things have to be in alignment, and there does seem to be a common denominator amongst successful Etsy sellers.

    It both pisses me off and yet I understand why sellers like Sherrytruitt don’t kick Etsy to the curb. To have your article pulled from a magazine because the editor can’t trust what she buys on the venue is a huge slap in the face. If it were me, I’d be contacting every news outlet I could to show Etsy in the poorest light possible. And I’d close up shop and let the world know why. But I’m not a ‘successful seller’ on Etsy. If I were, and Etsy was still a large part of my income, I’d just vow to use the venue for as long as I could while building up my presence elsewhere. But you can be sure that they wouldn’t get a lick of advertising off of me, and I would not ever mention them in any future ads, articles or features.

    Etsy is cultivating an ever increasing breed of apathetic sellers which may continue to use Etsy as a venue, but no longer feel any loyalty or desire to promote them.

  83. Blue Kitty August 16, 2010 at 1:21 pm #

    Too right about ebay LDW.

    Latest on the UK site is that they are going after fake perfumes and cosmetics.

    Their announcement on 12th August started.

    “While our objective is to make your experience on eBay simple and enjoyable, our guidelines and policies are created to make sure that sellers understand which items are allowed on eBay. eBay prohibits the sale of certain items as the sale may infringe on third parties’ intellectual property rights. ”

    Wonder if we will ever see Etsy clamping down and protecting “third parties’ intellectual property rights” and prohibiting items that *may* infringe them without having to have their arm twisted behind their back with some legal threats by the individual owners.

  84. Life During Wartime August 16, 2010 at 1:53 pm #

    Etsy’s employees seem to have been instructed to promote disceptive listings of many types:

    So I don’t expect Etsy to have rules like Ebay.

  85. JohnCock August 16, 2010 at 1:57 pm #

    Ok, Yuk – I missed the sherrytruitt thing. What happened? Is this a recent thing?

    I cannot imagine what sort of fees someone like The Black Apple pays a month. I know if I were that successful and etsy was going into the toilet like this, I would pull my etsy shop in a heartbeat. Who wants that kind of publicity??

  86. Inspector Yuk August 16, 2010 at 2:16 pm #

    Yep, very recent. Here is the thread, her account of what happened is on page 6: http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6574015&page=1

  87. star August 16, 2010 at 2:55 pm #

    Yes to everything about Jen – I feel the same way; she is very talented, has a unique product, she’s funny – and I have no idea why she bothers to get the short stick from etsy anymore. Good for her for speaking out. Inspector, If I was a successful etsy seller I’d be doing the same thing! Unfortunately, I arrived as etsy began its free for all into resellers -ah, I mean “collectives” – and deny deny deny of the situation.

    And that thing with sherrytruitt -just ridiculous!! I wish there was a legion of big sellers; who would band together & go to Martha Stewart, Voque Knitting, BHG, etc. & expose etsy for what its become. Its only really know about in our little handmade corner of the internet, but the public at large has no idea of the mass produced garbage being shilled as handmade-homemade. Until they walk into Target & see it on sale that is.

  88. mosquitoebites August 16, 2010 at 3:30 pm #

    OMG!! Inspektor Yuk, I read that whole thread and at the HeyMichelle closed it citing “please do not call other members out in the forums”. What the hell????!!!! I didn’t see any calling out of any members. Did I miss it?

  89. Life During Wartime August 16, 2010 at 3:36 pm #

    I think the call out comment refered to Sherry mentioning that someone had purchased a factory made item. Just mentioning resellers or factory items for sale on Etsy is now considered “calling out”. Really stoopid. There are hundreds of factory made bags for sale on Etsy. No one could figure out which one the person from the magazine purchased.

  90. detroit August 16, 2010 at 3:55 pm #

    Inspector Yuk Says:
    August 16, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    They achieved success on Etsy, whether or not it was actually because of Etsy (the brand) doesn’t matter. More likely it was a combination of the right place at the right time with work on the part of the seller as well as Etsy influence. That’s hard to turn your back on.
    ************************************************

    Yes.

    I think, hard as it is to make any money as an artisan on Etsy, it’s REALLY hard to go it alone.

    That’s why the concept of Etsy was so exciting before they totally sold out.

    I mean, something like Jen’s pencil sculptures….if you’ve never heard of her, it’s really unlikely you’d ever stumble across her own site. I mean, what are the chances someone’s Googling for, uhhhh what? ‘Pencil stub figurines’? lol

    But, on Etsy, you have tens of thousands of people flocking to the site every day. Maybe just to browse, or find a unique gift. It’s a lot more likely someone will see an FP anemone and click on her shop. Or see a feature. Or see her avatar in the forum and click through to her store out of curiosity….

    I’m just using Jen’s store as an example. I have no idea what her business is like. But I wanted to illustrate how HARD it is to have your own, independent website, unless you’re REALLY established. And even established folks with name recognition struggle.

    That why, once upon a time, Etsy WAS a valuable venue for people to sell their crafts, who might otherwise never be able to.

    So sad. Trying to make it as an artist / crafter is SO hard. And Etsy is just now another part of the problem. When, their whole reason for coming into existence was to be part of the solution.

    A sad, old tale.

  91. lindsey August 16, 2010 at 4:24 pm #

    Will someone please look at this seller that was included in the etsy finds blogpost today. Only twice I believe she has sold the same design but all of the collars look like she has yanked a tag out of them. In this one she even blurred the collar because it is obvious there was a tag there.
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/51169078/last-one-grey-jersey-short-dress-large

    There are A LOT of signs that this shop is sketchy. She has another shop selling food. The grammar in both shops is pretty similar to other shops that have been flagged and called out due to being resellers.

  92. Life During Wartime August 16, 2010 at 5:08 pm #

    All the items I looked at that showed the area where a tag would be are blurred. The tag is still in the garments because she didn’t photo chop the continuation of the seams back in where they are covered by the tag.

    I see a bunch of 1990s clothing in that shop. I see cheap wholesale import jewelry in that shop. The food shop is scary — if a seller is obviously deceptive about her clothing shop, who knows what’s in the food?

    Good call out!

  93. mosquitoebites August 16, 2010 at 5:15 pm #

    I probably wouldn’t have noticed that if you didn’t point it out, but it is obvious now. Good eye! I’m going to go waste some time and flag it now.

  94. sick of cupcakes August 16, 2010 at 5:56 pm #

    They won’t do anything to that horrible shop because they featured it. Great eyes, I never would have noticed the tag thing!

  95. Thud August 16, 2010 at 6:27 pm #

    I am sad to hear about jen and sherry truitt’s situations. I am someone who has done very well on Etsy (without ever getting the nod of any type of feature or notice from Etsy itself). I was a big promoter. I could probably find enough work elsewhere, but it walks to me on Etsy, so I stay, but I have basically divorced myself from anything going on there because it makes me so sad and disappointed. And I feel a little dirty / cheap for staying BUT I also feel a lot pissed off that legit sellers are being brought down/ hurt by Etsy’s choices.

  96. Disgusted August 16, 2010 at 7:21 pm #

    Will someone please look at this seller that was included in the etsy finds blogpost today. Only twice I believe she has sold the same design but all of the collars look like she has yanked a tag out of them. In this one she even blurred the collar because it is obvious there was a tag there.
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/51169078/last-one-grey-jersey-short-dress-large
    ______.
    The spot where the tag was is the most miserably Photoshopped thing I have ever seen.

  97. Life During Wartime August 16, 2010 at 7:53 pm #

    Thud, no one can hold you responsible for Etsy’s lack of ethics. Good for you, being successful while playing by the rules…and without strapping on the kneepads!

    Yeah, Disgusted! You would have to be legally blind not to notice the missing seams there.

  98. PussDaddy August 17, 2010 at 3:48 am #

    Looks like an openly proud reseller is moving their resale shop off-Etsy, and calling themselves out in the process. Hah. At least she’s leaving. http://www.etsy.
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

    Don’t let the mogodor hit ya in the ass. *waves bye*

  99. PussDaddy August 17, 2010 at 3:52 am #

    detroit Says:
    August 16, 2010 at 8:00 am
    star Says:
    August 15, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    I saw Jen say in another post she was taking a break from etsy; and certainly cant blame her. This isn’t the first callout she’s made in the past month. I hope she doesn’t get banned either.

    How could forum mods not be embarrassed defending resellers or not admit there is a problem when its so glaringly obvious? How stupid do they think we are?? Its ridiculous.

    _________________________________________

    I don’t know a lot about Jen. But it’s my understanding that she’s a pretty high profile Etsian. And has artwork in galleries, etc. And handmakes something really unique and creative. Is featured in a lot of ‘lifestyle’ blogs.

    Perfect for Etsy’s image. Lotsa free advertising and promotion. Totally has the Etsy ‘look’.

    BUT, they’re willing to give people like that up? The people who helped make them…… And at the same time welcome the plastic factory trinket resellers with open arms?

    Are they trying to commit corporate suicide?

    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

    Etsy doesn’t care really. They don’t care if you were there since day one or if you made Featured Seller or if you spend everyday at their corporate heaquarters blowing them, everyone is expendable.

  100. PussDaddy August 17, 2010 at 3:54 am #

    About ebay blue kitty, they are always going after this or that, high profile scam items, perfume, handbags, electroinics. But when you hit their home page what are they shoving in your face? All of this stuff that is so problematic.

  101. bellacruz August 17, 2010 at 3:55 am #

    I cannot believe the shop with the photoshopped tags. I’m tempted to buy something just to see what the tags say.

  102. sick of cupcakes August 17, 2010 at 5:42 am #

    They probably say Faded Glory or Mossimo.

  103. detroit August 17, 2010 at 6:10 am #

    Wow- That ‘TheClosetStudio’ is really something. Gotta give em credit for a scam you don’t see that often – namely, buying a bunch of crap from the thrift store, cutting out the tags (or digitally removing them from the pix – lol), and pretending to have made them!

    It’s such a random assortment of stuff – baby clothes, plus sized clothes, knits, linens, denims. It’s like, wow, what a versatile shop owner!

    All you have to do is hang your items on a hanger in front of a white wall, add a few props, and BAM, you land on the FP!!

    It’s like ‘where’s Waldo?’, can you spot the other places where she missed the tags?

    second pic down (also with an odd ‘shop job – where’s the hand pulling the hem??): http://www.etsy.com/listing/51287126/sale-navy-blue-tablet-dress-xl

  104. eyefortineye August 17, 2010 at 6:32 am #

    I think what that dishonest twit does, is buy from thrift store/garage sale and tweak it. There are no patterns (she lies) and that’s why no two pieces are alike.

    She’s a liar and a cheat.

    It’s disgusting and so are those clothes.

  105. RocksInMySocks August 17, 2010 at 6:45 am #

    I think we should all convo her and tell her she forgot to photoshop the tag in that listing above for her “handmade” dress.

    It’s obviously all thrift shop clothes and it doesn’t even look like the bitch washed or ironed them.

    May she rot in hell!

  106. Life During Wartime August 17, 2010 at 9:30 am #

    Some of the sold items are duplicates, so it looks like she also buys overstocks at outlet stores.

    I’ve seen quite a few sellers on Etsy who modify clothes they buy. As long as they don’t try to pass off their work as ‘vintage’, it’s considered handmade. An honest seller will say that she bought a dress/shirt/skirt and say how she altered it and how cool that is. Closetstudio says nothing about altering clothing she bought.

    Being included in the Finds email is a much better promotion than being on the front page for an hour. Too bad the Finds are often infested with items that shouldn’t be on Etsy.

  107. Blue Kitty August 17, 2010 at 1:43 pm #

    Mogodor’s shop announcement.

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/Mogodor

    Another victim of the Etsy lack of clarity. Sad when they are genuine and well meaning sellers (even resellers).

  108. kitten August 17, 2010 at 1:57 pm #

    Disgusted Says:
    August 16, 2010 at 7:21 pm
    Will someone please look at this seller that was included in the etsy finds blogpost today. Only twice I believe she has sold the same design but all of the collars look like she has yanked a tag out of them. In this one she even blurred the collar because it is obvious there was a tag there.
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/51169078/last-one-grey-jersey-short-dress-large
    ______.
    The spot where the tag was is the most miserably Photoshopped thing I have ever seen.

    ___________________________________

    I’ll say! All SOLD items where you can see the neck, it looks like she cut the tags out and they blurred where the tag was inside the neck.

    That this seller was in the Etsy finds and on the front page a few times really pisses me off! I think this seller deserves a post (call out) all her own.

  109. Life During Wartime August 17, 2010 at 4:23 pm #

    I agree. If she has her own ECO post, hopefully the search engines will pick it up, exposing the photo chopper as well as Etsy for featuring her!

  110. RocksInMySocks August 17, 2010 at 5:37 pm #

    I think she needs her own post, too. She’e either reading this or she got a few convos because she deleted the picture in this listing that showed the tag. I guess she managed to do it before it sold:

    http://www.etsy.com/transaction/33003195

  111. kitten August 17, 2010 at 5:51 pm #

    RocksInMySocks Says:

    I think she needs her own post, too. She’e either reading this or she got a few convos because she deleted the picture in this listing that showed the tag. I guess she managed to do it before it sold:

    http://www.etsy.com/transaction/33003195
    ____________________________________

    She can’t delete all the blurred cut-off tags in her sold items though. Please give this fraudulent shop their own post!

  112. uh-huh August 19, 2010 at 11:35 am #

    hmmmm she’s on vacation now, how convenient.

  113. detroit August 19, 2010 at 3:01 pm #

    uh-huh Says:
    August 19, 2010 at 11:35 am

    hmmmm she’s on vacation now, how convenient.
    ___________________________________________________

    She’s working on her photoshop skillz!

  114. sick of cupcakes August 19, 2010 at 6:56 pm #

    Maybe a trip to an outlet mall.

  115. JohnCock August 20, 2010 at 6:29 am #

    Austin Modern sold the LV bag. Gag.

  116. david michel August 24, 2010 at 7:12 am #

    people are stupid

  117. sara August 27, 2010 at 4:53 pm #

    well this is old now, we went on vacation – but yeah, of all things, my dad won like $3000 in scratchoffs ($1000 then $2000) in the 8 months or so since I sold the necklace. Who’da thought.

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