Orifashion, Angelahandmade

7 Nov

You would THINK that Etsy would have one person that could just BROWSE over the new shops as they are added… and then make a little list of ones that look questionable- then hand the list off to someone else to investigate further if needed…

I mean REALLY how hard would it be to have someone look over all the new shops as they sign up? Even if there were 500 new shops a day (which I am sure there is NOT) that would still be feasible for one person to quickly look over within one work day.

Anyway-
here is another blasted re-seller orifashion

http://www.etsy.com/listing/59360776/romantic-designer-prom-evening-dress
and-
http://coniefox.en.alibaba.com/product/321809916-210480419/bridesmaid_dresses_Coniefox_80193.html

(at least the shop re-photographed the wedding dresses) which does make it difficult to compare – but again- I bet there isn’t anything in this shop that isn’t made in a factory.

http://www.etsy.com/listing/60668126/classic-elegant-a-line-strapless

http://abigale.en.alibaba.com/productshowimg/201401962-50250426/2007_11_21_34_dress.html

http://www.etsy.com/listing/59547288/romantic-full-length-designer-prom

http://coniefox.en.alibaba.com/product/320346787-210476606/Coniefox_fashion_prom_dress_80339.html

Now- take a look at the code number the Etsy seller has listed- and the one on the factory store site… Exactly the same. Also- take note that there the photos are the same woman, but different poses. I have a stinking suspicion that actual factories are the ones opening these shops on Etsy.
It would make a great amount of sense- the etsy shops that keep selling these wedding dresses and prom dresses tend to have photos of the same items, with the same models, but without the watermarks and or different poses… but still use the same dress numbers.
I believe Etsy could easily contact these sellers and tell them NO MORE!!!
working on cracking the shop iampamm on etsy-
feel free to search alibaba and post if you find anything…
damn you Etsy.

UPDATE: (from comments)

Just an update for anone new out there… Etsy did shut down Oriafashion as they were proven to be re-sellers (a factory in China) Thomas, who appears to run the business has gone off on quite a few wild rants here since his shop got closed down and in one he mentioned that he was going to re-open his shop on Etsy…

Sure enough he did re-open a new Etsy shop just a few days after Etsy shut down the first one. Here is the new shop: http://www.etsy.com/shop/Angelahandmade

When asked how many people he had working in the NEW Etsy shop and here is what he had to say:
“We had one girl listing dresses on etsy , communicate with customers and editting pictures, one girl taking pictures and do quality control, one girl making delivery. 3 girls for jobs on etsy, they graduated from universities and work quite hard and did execellent job.
We have one tailor who worked in tailoring dresses for thirty years. He tailor the dresses, and 3-4 professional workers who have more than 8 years experience of sewing clothes and dresses.
they are people who are doing jobs for customers on etsy.
Sure, Our company have other employees and factories, which make massive products for resellers,
all of them work very hard and work with love to help brides.
when the girl listing the products saw all the listings were suspended that day, she was very angry. it took her one month’s hard work to list all the items and make pictures and write descriptions, she really works with love , hope to help brides to get their dream dresses.
I received the email later from etsy, I was also very angry about that.
etsy removed our listings without any notice in advance, later sent us emails to notify us that our listings are not handmade, I replied that the wedding dresses are handmade, then we got a reply from etsy, says that we have factories, we are too large to etsy.”

————- Apparently Thomas knows darn well that Etsy said his company was too large to be on Etsy, but then he goes and says he is opening another shop on Etsy. Earth to Etsy… come in Etsy… this is INSANE!

 

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186 Responses to “Orifashion, Angelahandmade”

  1. INGmarathonday November 7, 2010 at 10:35 am #

    After a quick check on Alibaba.com, this is what I found:

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/60990263/black-blue-tie-dye-maxi-dress
    http://www.alibaba.com/product/th116626156-112706203-101847911/Tie_Dye_Plus_Size_Maxi_Dress_Sleeveless_Black_Turquoise_Green.html

    This entire shop is apparently filled with items from the Thai supplier shown here: http://www.alibaba.com/member/th116626156.html

  2. Life During Wartime November 7, 2010 at 11:15 am #

    So right! Etsy easily has enough staff to have a body or two review new shops as they open. Especially shops from certain developing nations AND shops that list items in categories that are reseller magnets. Like Weddings.

    The problem of TOU enforcement has never been lack of staff. Etsy used to remove most reseller items, and even whole shops, within hours of a flag back in 2006. But resellers (and other types of TOU violators) were a much smaller percentage of shops or listings back then.

    Personally, I don’t believe that the S(r)CAM software was developed to detect returning resellers, but to track re-registration by disgruntled but legit Etsians. Etsy has done nada about the reseller issue this past year.

  3. Divorced November 7, 2010 at 1:29 pm #

    Brides are such easy targets. Shame.

  4. Etsy Made Me Do It November 7, 2010 at 2:19 pm #

    It KILLS me that Etsy can hustle around the forums and shut down a call out thread in 2 seconds flat, but can’t shut down a re-seller.

  5. Life During Wartime November 7, 2010 at 2:58 pm #

    ^^^Yeah! Etsy always used to shut down call-out threads, but back in the day they also investigated what was being called out, and dealt with any violations quickly.

  6. Dee November 7, 2010 at 3:51 pm #

    I’m not sure I want to buy clothing on etsy. I guess I’ll stick to things I’m pretty sure are handmade. So glad I’m not one of those brides getting sucked in.

  7. Lisa November 7, 2010 at 5:36 pm #

    You’d think they’d be smart enough to steam out the wrinkles before photographing. Geez, it’s pretty obvious that it came out of a box !!

  8. Sarah (with an H) November 7, 2010 at 6:04 pm #

    Careful Lisa, don’t give them ideas! The way Etsy has embraced factory-sized “collectives,” it wouldn’t surprise me if next they decree that steaming the wrinkles out of a mass produced garment is enough of a hand alteration to qualify for Etsy-legal handmade status.

  9. detroit November 7, 2010 at 6:07 pm #

    It seems like in less than a year Etsy has gone way downhill in terms of removing resellers. It used to be a pretty big portion of the shops called out here eventually got closed.

    Now they don’t. Seems like there’s been some internal policy change? Someone selling something patently BS – like NIB Jimmy Choos has a small chance of getting shut down. But all the East Asian resellers / wholesalers seem to remain these days???

    WTF – now, if you’re selling ‘factory direct’ it’s okay? Of course, in some sense, all factories are collectives. And yes, I’m sure there are a lot of garment and jewelry sweatshops with less than 20 employees. And those shops are on Etsy.

    Is that what Etsy was really supposed to be all about? Really?

    Handmade! YEAahhh. Um. Sigh. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……

  10. JewelJewel November 7, 2010 at 6:15 pm #

    they link to their site in their announcement, where it says they have 5 factories and 100 thousand women embroidering. how in the world is etsy letting this one slip by. this can’t meet ANYONE’S definition of a collective.

  11. JewelJewel November 7, 2010 at 6:16 pm #

    http://www.orifashion.net

  12. sick of cupcakes November 7, 2010 at 6:20 pm #

    Ya, but imagine the fees on a $2000 dress.

  13. Etsy Made Me Do It November 7, 2010 at 6:29 pm #

    Today’s puzzler:

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/JoyceWang – China – joined Oct. 13 2010
    note this listing from the above shop: http://www.etsy.com/listing/60006303/temperament-sleeveless-v-neck-dress

    and the above store has their favorites public and they have “favorited” this dress http://www.etsy.com/listing/59909800/beach-skirt-long-skirt-bohemia-bust which happens to be the same dress they have in their own shop… but it is in a different store

    http://www.etsy.com/people/Turelove – China – joined Oct. 18 2010

    and both shops happen to have a ton of merchandise that can be found on Alibaba (try the Hangzhou Wholesale City Trading Co. Ltd. )

    Now- it is sort of interesting that the favorites are so visible on the profile page- I NEVER would have noticed these thing before…

    more in a moment- as this little puzzler gets even more fun…

  14. Etsy Made Me Do It November 7, 2010 at 6:44 pm #

    ohh- and a lot of NEW vintage boots here!
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/kennylin

  15. Etsy Made Me Do It November 7, 2010 at 6:49 pm #

    and now wigs!!! http://www.etsy.com/shop/feltheaven?ref=pr_shop_more

  16. Stiflers Mom November 7, 2010 at 8:28 pm #

    Etsy doesn’t give a $hit about resellers as long as they’re bringing in the cash. The integrity on that site is just about nil. All things handmade my ass.

  17. Kastf November 8, 2010 at 3:52 am #

    I made the suggestion years ago to put new shops on hold for a week until they could be reviewed by staff. I never got a reply from Etsy about the idea. As a result, I am gone from there and opened shop elsewhere. It just isn’t worth my time to flag, and certainly not worth my time worrying over the resellers flooding Etsy.

  18. JK November 8, 2010 at 6:31 am #

    OT, is the Garagetsy blog showing up as invite-only for anyone else? I’d hate to think that it’s been cupcaked into shutting down.

  19. Facing The Lens November 8, 2010 at 6:50 am #

    Invite only for me as well. 😦 I haz a sad.

  20. The Unknown Etsian November 8, 2010 at 7:29 am #

    I tried to sign in to be invited also – couldn’t do that or contact the blog owner. So, blog owner, if you are reading this, you do have fans you don’t know about!

  21. JK November 8, 2010 at 7:45 am #

    There was a post there the other day where someone posted as the ‘listing agent’ (their words) for some ugly designer handbag that was posted, trying to excuse their actions — wonder if they went crying to Etsy about the bad, mean, awful blog that exposed their violation of the TOUs?

  22. WangFu November 8, 2010 at 8:21 am #

    Yeah, I am sad. I love garagetsy.

  23. boots November 8, 2010 at 8:22 am #

    I just wish someone would create a better version of Etsy and actually run it with pride. I know there is Artfire and Zibbet but they are sloppy. We just need someone with the brains, time, style and money! LOL

    But seriously if someone opened up a handmade vendor site and ran it well and advertised it (its not hard to get into magazines and on televison) they would make so much money!

  24. Lexandria November 8, 2010 at 8:26 am #

    I was getting my daily dose of humor this morning by reading the Etsy forums. Ran across an angry thread started by someone ranting about unauthorized use of one of her pictures in a negative blog. I looked in her shop and immediately recognized an item that had appeared at Garagetsy. The ranter swore that the item had not been listed under vintage, that she had contacted her lawyer about suing for defamation of character, blahblahblah. Could this be related to Garagetsy’s closed status right now?

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6677200

  25. etsycallout November 8, 2010 at 8:35 am #

    I hope they don’t get scared off by the threats- that is all they are. Yep, we’ve had them. But when it comes to someone actually forking out the hundreds of $$ to contact a lawyer it never happens. Blogger is very liberal and won’t remove her like WordPress does. They cannot do IP checks from your blog to your Etsy account. Don’t freak out garagetsy- stay strong!

  26. RWS November 8, 2010 at 9:15 am #

    You can order these clothes from a catalog: http://coniefox.en.alibaba.com/productgrouplist-210480419/Bridesmaid_dresses.html This is just one page, you can see the stairs, the dog, etc. throughout the site.

  27. Garagetsy November 8, 2010 at 9:16 am #

    Hi Everyone!
    Wow, what wonderful comments here. Thanks! Yes, I switched Garagetsy to private last night. Not because of that forum thread, though. Here’s what happened:

    Yesterday, a bunch of sellers “featured” on Garagetsy started leaving post comments and sending messages via my suggestion form. These comments ranged from “thanks for pointing out my error” to “I’m gonna sue your ass!”

    What I surmised from these comments is that someone spent their Sunday identifying shops on Garagetsy (I don’t use names, so it takes a bit of time). Then they created an Etsy account for the sole purpose of convo’ing those shops to inform them they are on the Garagetsy blog.

    I have no idea who did this. The hilarious part is that many of these shops said “thanks for informing me” or “I’m gonna have Etsy trace your sock puppet account and shut you down.” So they actually think I created the Etsy account! Why on Earth would I do that?

    The blog received 40 hits from Etsy yesterday, so I guess that’s roughly how many shops were contacted.

    The reason I took the blog private, and will probably just delete it, is that some of the comments were very, very angry. Most of the upset comments were along the lines of “get a life” (don’t ya love that one), but a few were potentially scary. I have no fear of lawsuits, but there’s no sense inviting crazies to stalk you.

    So, for the record, I did not create that Etsy account yesterday. I did not convo any shops, and I have no idea who did. I don’t even know whether it was someone for or against Garagetsy, although I assume it was the latter.

    The forum thread is funny because I remain unnamed and clean as a whistle. I love the responses like, “if they didn’t mention your name, how is it defamatory?” and those other bloggers who admitted they take photos, too.

    Garagetsy is published anonymously because I firmly believe Etsy is petty, childish and dictatorial. I remain anonymous even after the events of yesterday, so it’s win-win. Even if I delete the blog, those shops know someone might be looking over their shoulders. I think that’s pretty cool.

  28. JK November 8, 2010 at 9:25 am #

    Garagetsy, I’m very sorry to hear you might be shutting down. I always look forward to seeing the fakers and liars outed and I think you’ve done good work. Is it possible to make the content subscriber-only and screen the subscribers?

  29. etsycallout November 8, 2010 at 9:48 am #

    But if you are anonymous why be scared off by mean comments? You are doing a service and do not need to close the blog!

  30. JK November 8, 2010 at 9:55 am #

    Honestly, Miss ImGonnaSUUUUUEEE! posting in the forums is a laugh and a half. Overreaction much? And she thinks she has a case for HerUncleTheLAWYER and he’ll take it? Either he’s a fool or he’s desperate for business. She isn’t making herself look good at all, plus she doesn’t strike me as being terribly familiar with either the concept of fair use or what it takes to actually sue for defamation. People hurting your pweciush widdle feewings is not against the law.

  31. Garagetsy November 8, 2010 at 10:12 am #

    I just figured the longer I keep Garagetsy going, the more likely I am to be outed. I don’t want to start being paranoid–let’s leave that to the shops we call out.

    For the record, none of the sellers who tried to defend their bogus vintage had a valid argument. A couple, however, actually fixed their listings based on the blog post about them.

    This was just a hobby. Deleting the blog may be seen as a victory to those angry sellers, but I think all of us will have the last laugh. I plan to become a more loyal follower of ECO!

  32. JK November 8, 2010 at 10:21 am #

    One resource fewer for Google-savvy buyers is a sort of a victory for lying sellers. Without anyone pointing out their lies, whatever they say looks like truth to the unwary buyer.

  33. sick of cupcakes November 8, 2010 at 10:34 am #

    I’ve been a big fan of yours, Garagetsy!

  34. Facing The Lens November 8, 2010 at 11:01 am #

    Huge fan of the blog, Garagetsy. Sad to see you go. I’ve enjoyed reading it each day since discovering it a few months ago!

  35. Garagetsy November 8, 2010 at 11:13 am #

    Wow, the forum thread by “Miss ImGonnaSUUUEEEE!” is really getting hilarious. I thought it had died, but it’s still gasping for air. The OP really, really thinks I created the Etsy account to contact her. And she seems to suspect I did it to extort $$ from her?

    I love the comment that she actually called herself out.

    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6677200&page=1

  36. Life During Wartime November 8, 2010 at 11:19 am #

    I am going to miss garagetsy! I hope you call out some faux vintage here!

    As for the shop in the thread, Google cache does indeed show the seller listing at least one repop as Vintage in her shop. Her suit is groundless because she has violated the Etsy TOU. Here it is in her SOLD listings:

    http://www.etsy.com/transaction/36253777

    Her panties are on fire!!!

  37. JK November 8, 2010 at 11:50 am #

    Hot damn. Any loopier and she’d be a piece of crochet!

  38. em November 8, 2010 at 11:52 am #

    Wow, is this nutjob paranoid or what?

  39. Garagetsy November 8, 2010 at 11:54 am #

    Exactly, LDW! That item was listed as Vintage but she clearly states how she created it. Garagetsy called that one out a while back.

    In case anyone’s wondering, the newer post she’s talking about was on 10/27 for a commercial jewelry hanger, listed (in compliance) in Supplies.

    NEWSFLASH! When I posted about it, the title was “Vintage Shabby Chic Inspired Jewelry Holder…”

    I wrote: “We have called out this seller before for fake vintage. Now she has a new angle. Notice her rationalization for listing this in Supplies, in anticipation of it being flagged or questioned. That’s all fine and dandy, but we don’t take kindly to her deceptive use of the word Vintage. Notice how she inserts “shabby chic” between “Vintage” and “Inspired.” So is this Vintage or Vintage Inspired? Answer is the latter, of course, even though Vintage appears alone.”

    NOW the title reads, “Shabby Chic Vintage Inspired Jewelry Holder…”

    So she fixed her title before starting the ranting thread about my “false accusation.” Busted!!!

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/55231883/shabby-chic-vintage-inspired-jewelry

    Can you believe she’s going crazy over a silly jewelry hanger?

  40. JK November 8, 2010 at 11:56 am #

    ‘Shabby Chic’ is copyrighted, isn’t it? Anyone more energetic than I am curious to see if the holder enforces it?

  41. Life During Wartime November 8, 2010 at 12:08 pm #

    Not paranoid. Her lack of professional integrity was exposed.

    After years of being ignored by the media, collecting antiques and older items is again being popularized by teevee shows like AMERICAN PICKERS and PAWN STARS. Authenticity matters again, and ‘VINTAGE’ no longer means a style. The public is being educated about the difference between the value of a (charming?) fake and the real deal. Using chemicals and tools to age reproductions — and selling them as ‘antique’, ‘victorian’, or ‘vintage’ is fraud. Etsy has not only been allowing this practice on the site, but been heavily featuring deceptive items. While this trend may hang on for years in Etsy shops and merchandising reports, the larger marketplace is moving away from this style. Yay for that!!!

  42. Facing The Lens November 8, 2010 at 12:12 pm #

    I think Garagetsy and Etsy Call Out should *join forces* to fight evil and continue to use their powers for good!

  43. Life During Wartime November 8, 2010 at 12:30 pm #

    I have to say I think tagging the jewelry holder with the word ‘toilet’ is imaginative 😉 WTF?

  44. sick of cupcakes November 8, 2010 at 12:35 pm #

    It belongs in a toilet.

  45. em November 8, 2010 at 12:36 pm #

    wait – the jewelry hanger shouldn’t even BE in supplies. She says that it’s covered in the Dos and Don’ts, but it’s not.

    “Commercial tools, elements and accessories that are used in conjunction with handmade items, but are not used to create a new item may not be sold on Etsy as a commercial crafting supply (for example: make-up brushes, wax tart burners).”

  46. WangFu November 8, 2010 at 12:45 pm #

    She’s a tool. I hope she finds this one. If so, this is for you:

    Stop listing your shit incorrectly, dumbass, and no one will be outing your crap.

    Garagetsy, you rock.

  47. thisetsychick November 8, 2010 at 12:48 pm #

    Ha! That was THE most hilarious thread ever! The OP completely unraveled and unraveled quickly. I love the posters who stepped in and called her out on her “mistakes”.

    Classic read. I can so picture the OP sitting there downing a bag of Cheetos with Cheeto dust on her fingers madly typing away as smoke comes out of her ears.

    And everyone has an “uncle” who is a lawyer when something goes wrong. I hope that thread is like the Energizer Bunny. Just keeps going and going and going…

  48. Etsy Made Me Do It November 8, 2010 at 1:09 pm #

    Please don’t close your site- I just found it yesterday and thought it was great! I was SO excited to see yet another site that is exposing the wrongs of Etsy!!!

    You know what to do when you open a message and can tell it is going to be nasty two lines in? Don’t read the rest of it and delete it ASAP. Don’t let bullies get you down. The only people that are angry are those that have been exposed as frauds. You don’t even have a direct link to the sellers Etsy shop- which even if you did it would be fine- you would still be safe!
    You have NOTHING to worry about.

    And again, thank you Garage and ECallOut – your site helps me keep life in perspective. : )

    Keep up the good work!

  49. WangFu November 8, 2010 at 1:11 pm #

    So what are the good juicy etsy goss sites?

    I know of Etsy Bitches, Closed Threads, ECO and Garagetsy…

  50. WangFu November 8, 2010 at 1:13 pm #

    sick of cupcakes, you made me tinkle.

  51. Jules Noctambule November 8, 2010 at 1:21 pm #

    That thread really isn’t going the way she planned, is it? I wonder if HerUncleTheLAWYER will step in to sue us all for being mean to her, too!

    My cousin is a lawyer. When people call up wanting to SUUUUEEE! over some trivial bullshit, it’s referred to as a ‘CtFD’ case because the advice given is to Calm the Fuck Down. She doesn’t take CtFD cases.

  52. sick of cupcakes November 8, 2010 at 1:26 pm #

    WangFu, I live to serve. 😉

    My sister is a lawyer so I’m going to sue everyone.

  53. The Unknown Etsian November 8, 2010 at 1:33 pm #

    Meltdown on aisle 3! Meltdown on aisle 3! Can some one do cleanup???

  54. beyond disgust November 8, 2010 at 1:37 pm #

    I’m so sad about the possible demise of Garagetsy! I wonder if it’s possible to pass the torch–after a year of worthy service (and hilarious posts), maybe the owner could take a step back and someone else could take over.

    The thread in question is also so hilarious. It seems like every time there’s an Etsy thread that starts with “someone accused me of breaking the rules,” it takes about two seconds to find out that they actually did break the rules (and are lame enough to call extra attention to it).

  55. em November 8, 2010 at 1:37 pm #

    I’m trying really hard to stay out of that thread but I actually care about my reputation on Etsy…

  56. Etsy Made Me Do It November 8, 2010 at 1:38 pm #

    OMG- I just read the Etsy thread- what a freaking hoot!!!
    That was the BEST self induced train wreck I have seen in a long time.

    Garage- you have NOTHING- again, NOTHING to fear or worry about. you didn’t slander anyone- and whoa- that shop owner- she pretty much threw herself under the bus!

    If anything I think you could send her a message and ask if she would like a complimentary link to her Etsy site added to the posting- seeing she is creating such a stink about it.
    Legall speaking you could have even used her shop name and given a link to the item that is mis-tagged- perhaps she would preferred that option…

    LOL

    Seriously – that was the best train wreck !!! and I have a new found love for several of the Etsy sellers that spoke up and told the OP she was full of poop!

  57. Jules Noctambule November 8, 2010 at 1:43 pm #

    Sweet tinkerbelle jesus, the OP just does. not. get. it! How can someone so thick walk and breathe at the same time?

  58. Garagetsy November 8, 2010 at 1:44 pm #

    Wiltsie-whatever is utterly convinced I sent her a convo, despite the logic everyone is throwing at her.

    How deep will she continue digging this hole? How is the thread still open? This entertainment is the highlight of my day. I love love love all the responses!

  59. em November 8, 2010 at 1:46 pm #

    And she thinks that the blog being made private is due to her getting her panties all in a bunch! Don’t flatter yourself so much, Wiltsie.

  60. Jules Noctambule November 8, 2010 at 1:50 pm #

    And may I add that the ‘Eames era antiques’ in their shop announcement irritates the hell out of me? I still stand by the 100 year mark. Hell, my mom is ‘Eames era’, and I dare you to call her an antique to her face!

  61. Etsy Made Me Do It November 8, 2010 at 1:57 pm #

    Makes me wish I had a sock puppet so I could go chime in on that thread…

    the OP just keeps digging herself deeper…
    and deeper… and
    has she hit bottom yet?

    even if she DID have an uncle that is a lawyer- I doubt she contacted him because any decent lawer would have told her that she doesn’t have a case as there was nothing wrong done on the website – and the only time I have ever seen a case won (in regards to copyright of image) is when the photo in question was used for the purposes of advertising without the consent of the photographer.

    and talking about photography law- does SHE take the actual photos or does she have a photographer take the photos for her- because the person that holds the camera is the true owner of the photo- so if per chance she didn’t take the actual photograph then she would most likely only hold a copyright release for the photos- meaning that her photographer would have to be the one that sues.

  62. Etsy Made Me Do It November 8, 2010 at 2:00 pm #

    I am thankful that there are some very smart people posting in there- it would make NO SENSE for Garage to have made a sock puppet to show her the site-
    does the OP have a history of delusions?

  63. Garagetsy November 8, 2010 at 2:03 pm #

    It’s interesting to note that no other shop contacted by the mysterious Etsy newbie has jumped in to defend Wiltsie or themselves. According to Google Analytics, there were about 40 of them.

    I also note that NONE of the critics of Wiltsie has ever been on Garagetsy. They’re the good guys.

    If her photos are the big issue, I guess she wants me to keep Garagetsy going, but with direct links instead. I suppose I could accommodate her 😛

  64. beyond disgust November 8, 2010 at 2:06 pm #

    The one item she keeps harping on is the pink bird jewelry holder, which she has listed in supplies even though it isn’t one (seeing as it’s a finished product already, not used to make something). And even if she wasn’t breaking the rules with it, that’s not what the Garagesty post was about anyway–it was about misleading titles and descriptions. Try litigating that!

    These threads never end well for the OP, but some of them have sense enough to disappear after a few pages when they see what they’re in for.

  65. WangFu November 8, 2010 at 2:22 pm #

    Uncle Sue!

  66. Life During Wartime November 8, 2010 at 2:56 pm #

    For investigating resellers on Etsy, make a note of this site:

    http://www.creativecoop.com/catalog.aspx

    Their catalogs track the Etsy ‘marketing reports’ pretty well, and I’ve seen several Etsy shops selling their items. The jewelry holder was in an older catalog that has recently been removed from the site. But creative co-op has other metal jewelry stands with bird/twig motifs that are listed on Etsy as ‘supplies’.

    Part of the reseller incentive on Etsy is their stupid trend suggestions, which are pretty much invitations for people to find a way to list mass-produced giftware on Etsy. What a shame…

  67. em November 8, 2010 at 3:04 pm #

    Garagetsy, please don’t stop blogging! Even if you just lay low for a little while, don’t let this crazy woman get you down! I’ve been checking on this thread and she is completely in the wrong on most counts, don’t let her think that these tactics are going to get her anywhere!

  68. Life During Wartime November 8, 2010 at 3:20 pm #

    Here’s another site selling the Creative Co-op jewelry stand:

    http://www.elizabethsembellishments.com/Bird-Metal-Jewelry-Holder-CC137.html

    And five dollars less, too!

    If you have a bricks-and-mortar country gift shop (as the OP in that forum thread says she does), why list these items on Etsy? If reselling is against the rules on Etsy, why was the item by Creative Co-op featured by Etsy even though it is not, by Etsy’s stated definition, a ‘supply’?

  69. Jules Noctambule November 8, 2010 at 3:33 pm #

    Crazy just hit a new low! She’s compared herself to victims of sexual assault! I’m so pissed off I can’t even manage to type a coherent reply to that bullshit.

  70. Garagetsy Lover November 8, 2010 at 3:50 pm #

    Thinly veiled promo?

    That person needs to be very, very careful because lawsuits can work both ways. While she may think she has a case against defamation, Garagetsy may, as well, for being accused of opening a sock puppet account.

    It also means that the person’s shop will come under scrutiny, and since Google cache is such a friendly place, it could be that they are exposed under Etsy’s TOUs as selling miscellaneous crap as vintage.

    Sometimes the better part of valour is to realize when it’s time to shut up.

    Garagetsy, stay open, please! Loved your blog.

  71. Life During Wartime November 8, 2010 at 3:59 pm #

    Supply seller call-out:

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/selinabeadsnbits

    A shop full of gift wares and furniture! Check out the date they opened, and the number of sales….but then Etsy has no long term resellers. Holy Carp!

  72. Etsy Made Me Do It November 8, 2010 at 4:07 pm #

    rape?
    omg… this woman is NUTS…

    Garage- don’t let this lunatic keep you in hiding- that is exactly what she wants… with her twisted thinking, I bet she is telling herself that you shut the site down because she “scared” you into doing so…
    I always thought i was a bit looney- but this one takes the cake (or shall I say the knock off vintage bird stand) LOL

    Thank god there are still people on Etsy that don’t have a problem putting this nutso in her place.

  73. Garagetsy November 8, 2010 at 4:08 pm #

    She really went over the cliff with that comparison to a rape victim. Reprehensible.

    To backtrack a little, she was not the reason I took the blog private last night. It was because other sellers sent messages via the suggestion form that bordered on creepy.

    Of course, Wiltsie has entered that realm herself.

    On a lighter note, Orifashion is probably happy this post took such a turn…

  74. Etsy Made Me Do It November 8, 2010 at 4:20 pm #

    Life During Wartime-
    and all of selina’s stuff is listed as supplies?

    This is where Etsy needs to learn to establish guidelines. SOLID guidelines. Ok- so I am assuming that the seller is under the belief that their platter thing could be used as a display for jewelry – hence they list it as a supply- and the mirror, something you look in to see the jewelry that you picked up off the tray- so that is a supply also. well- then I need to use a computer to make my graphic art right- so basically you could sell a computer on etsy because it is a supply (as long as it comes with graphics programs on it!)

    Etsy dug themselves into a hole when they started allowing other supplies. I once complained about craft books being sold as a supply – everyone ganged up on me and told me well of COURSE it is a supply, but I also said, well if books are a supply then pretty soon bookcases will be a supply. So basically you can sell just about any damn thing on Etsy if you call it a craft supply- handmade or not.

    I have an butt load of rubbermaid storage tubs- guess those could go in supplies. Hmm… let’s see what else I have sitting around that I need to get rid of. Old shoes, but not old enough to be vintage, so I guess I could stick a cup in them and call them a supply- because i can store my art pencils in the cup that is in the shoe.

    enough snark from me. I could go on forever with b-crap like that. Oh – you know all these people have to do if they want to sell their sweatshirt from last winter is pin a damn plastic flower on it and call it embellished and then it is perfectly sellable on Etsy – and that is EXACTLY what some re-seller have been doing… thanks for the coaching Etsy.

  75. Etsy Made Me Do It November 8, 2010 at 4:28 pm #

    Garage- you are a hoot- and thanks for the update.

    Believe me when I say this- I have had my fair share of freaky weird-o’s/threats, etc… over the years. and remember people will say a lot of things online that they would never dare saying in person- and they are also probably hiding their identity also.
    ; )

  76. Garagetsy Lover November 8, 2010 at 5:02 pm #

    Oh, and PS….. it’s not slander, libel, or defamation of character if it’s true. So the OP of that post needs to be vewwwwyyy careful.

    I’ve been stalked online, and there are things you can do about it, Garage. The blog hosting service and your own ability to track IPs that visit your site should help.

    I’d be tempted to put your blog back up just so say, “So there.”

  77. JK November 8, 2010 at 5:10 pm #

    And we have closing! Everyone’s favourite passive-aggressive admin, lisajune, in with the lock.

  78. Life During Wartime November 8, 2010 at 5:17 pm #

    I don’t see how any posts about items shown on Garagetsy are actionable. I will really miss the blog if it doesn’t return. But then I have never had a sock contact a bunch of people pretending to be me. I can understand not wanting to deal with situations like that.

  79. Life During Wartime November 8, 2010 at 5:19 pm #

    Yeah, I saw that lock. Including the links implied that Etsy might be willing to help resellers defend their piece of Etsy turf against call-out blogs. How sweet.

  80. beyond disgust November 8, 2010 at 5:25 pm #

    What it meant to me is she didn’t read the thread–just responded to someone’s report. She skimmed a few things, thought it was about photo copyright, and closed it.

  81. Life During Wartime November 8, 2010 at 5:35 pm #

    That sounds right, beyond disgust. I keep forgetting that members of the Etsy staff must have to take the Sgt. Schultz oath when starting employment: I see noth-ing, I hear noth-ing! That way the tasks they are required to perform seem reasonable, fair and professionally ethical.

  82. Etsy Made Me Do It November 8, 2010 at 5:47 pm #

    Garagesty Lover- (and anyone else knowledgable on this topic feel free to chime in)
    I have been wondering how that whole thing works with tracking IP’s and confidentiality on blogs. I have been tinkering around with starting a blog- but am worried about posters security-
    say as if I were to start a blog where disgruntled etsy sellers can share their stories of being muted, and other more serious things – but safe from anyone trying to OUT them.
    I am assuming the author of this blog has access to that sort of information and probably knows who we are? or has that ability to do so- which I would be totally fine with- but
    i have been searching online for further info and
    always wonder about confidentiality…

    Believe me- I have the nervous tick because Etsy has investigated me – (they thought I had sock puppets) which I actually didn’t and still don’t – and never will just because I know they follow IP addresses/multiple users (I was sharing one computer with many people- several that have Etsy accounts also)
    So you can understand I am a wee bit paranoid.

    Info anyone?

  83. Etsy Made Me Do It November 8, 2010 at 5:50 pm #

    I also saw that the thread was closed with weird links to copyright info. nothing about the OP calling out their own foul…

    why the hell do they keep closing threads? why not just provide the info and let people continue talking? what is this pre-school?
    how do they determine when it is time to “wrap up a thread”?

  84. Life During Wartime November 8, 2010 at 6:13 pm #

    I think Etsy decided to close that down when someone copied the link I posted about another web store selling Wiltsie’s jewelry stand ‘supply’. That pretty much showed that she is a reseller, for those who hadn’t bothered to visit her on FB or see her blog. The official position for Etsy is that there are no resellers on the site. No one questioned the amazing range of handmade goods in Wiltsie: fiber arts, metal refinishing, felted figure making, pottery making. Amazing range of skills 😉

  85. Garagetsy Lover November 8, 2010 at 6:29 pm #

    Etsy Made Me Do It,

    You can use something like Statcounter on your blog. Captcha can also be used, I think.

    I help monitor an online forum, and that forum provides us with the ability to view the IP addresses of posters. We can then ban them or even report them to their IP provider for abuse, if necessary.

    Keep in mind that an IP address will provide you with the name of the person’s internet provider and a general geographical location. It can be useful if you need to ban someone from your blog and/or prevent access for spammers or trolls.

    It would be nice if it could give you someone’s name, but it can’t. 😀 However, if used as a tool for keeping nonsense at bay, then tracking an IP can be useful.

    Most people (myself included) are stalked when we provide too much information online over time. If someone decides to follow us on an online forum, if we use a consistent moniker or name, over time we may inadvertently reveal enough information that the person could track us down. In my case, the person did keep track of information I posted and was able to find my name in the phone book, and then by Googling was able to find my address. Again, let me stress that the information my stalker gleaned was not from an IP address but instead from tracking me over a period of time online.

    I hope that helps.

  86. Garagetsy November 8, 2010 at 7:28 pm #

    Garagetsy Lover (what a moniker), your experience is a good reminder to all of us.

    LDW, a Hogan’s Heroes reference? Now THAT’S vintage.

    Funny that it took a year for my blog to send up a mushroom cloud. I never had to moderate comments, and always allowed Anonymous comments. I only deleted a comment once, because the called-out seller kept saying the same thing over and over.

    Thanks to ECO for providing this platform today. It’s much appreciated. I’ll leave the G blog on hold for awhile anyway. Maybe I’ll pick another pseudonym and bitch on everyone else’s blogs.

  87. Etsy Made Me Do It November 8, 2010 at 7:32 pm #

    Garagesty- thank you for the fantastic info!
    and I hope to goodness the stalker is now leaving you alone!

  88. Voice November 8, 2010 at 8:13 pm #

    Here’s another style of jewelry stand in her sold items that is most definitely tagged “vintage” — sucks for her that she can’t edit sold listings in her attempt to revise history. http://www.etsy.com/transaction/25479778

  89. etsycallout November 8, 2010 at 9:43 pm #

    garagetsy- if you would like to regularly post on this blog we are more than happy to give you a platform 🙂 Let us know!

  90. Catish November 9, 2010 at 12:59 am #

    Rachel Ashwell is on both Facebook and Twitter if someone wants to drop her/her shop/whoever runs those medias a note.

  91. marn November 9, 2010 at 6:48 am #

    wow…paranoid AND self-aggrandizing! that WiltsieBridgeCS is a piece of work.

    I too will miss Garagetsy if you decide to keep it closed, but you do what you need to do.

  92. Rut Roh November 9, 2010 at 8:06 am #

    Am I mistaken or….

    Is this item from Wiltsie that was apparently on the front page: http://www.etsy.com/listing/49918145/antique-cast-iron-country-decorators-urn

    The same as this, with some artful “rusting” patina applied? http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/248818602/Cast_Iron_Garden_Planters_or_Urns.html

    Find a cast iron urn, then sand and spritz on a little salt water to encourage rusting, and you’ve got an artfully aged, “antique” garden planter that makes it to Etsy’s front page.

  93. detroit November 9, 2010 at 9:18 am #

    Except Sergeant Schultz is more competent than Etsy employees.

  94. Rut roh November 9, 2010 at 9:34 am #

    Actually… here it is with the rust patina already applied:
    http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/10881121/Cast_Iron_Urns_And_Planters.html

    Etsy employees think that anything they can’t remember from their youth is vintage.

  95. no November 9, 2010 at 1:08 pm #

    I saw that bird jewelry holder in TJ maxx yesterday.

  96. Life During Wartime November 9, 2010 at 2:41 pm #

    ruh roh, the two urns are very similar but not identical. But I mistrust everything in Wiltsie’s shop because of the rabbits. She played coy about the age of the bunnies, when she should have said ‘these are new reproductions, with applied decoration to imitate age and weathering’ instead of just saying they were cast from the original molds.

    Almost all of the cast iron and wire items sold on Etsy as ‘vintage’ are no older than the mid-to-late 90s, with the majority being brand new Asian imports. There are dozens of 90s and newer ornamental metal bird cages on the site.

    I’m not surprised that the birds on twigs jewelry stand is at TJ maxx. Creative Co-op has dropped the item from their catalog, so it makes sense they would be liquidating any remaining stock to a close-out chain.

  97. LoveandRage November 9, 2010 at 4:34 pm #

    Orifashion?

    I love the photos they actually take..
    Handmade with love..right?
    but can’t find a damn iron?

    WTH?
    Etsycorp-Wrinkley Clothes & Used Shoes R US

  98. LoveandRage November 9, 2010 at 4:36 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/60951792/red-cute-pure-silk-sleepwear

    Who took this?

    ..and shot at the Super8?

  99. Garagetsy November 9, 2010 at 7:53 pm #

    Just popping in tonight to chuckle at the new comments. Engineers of train wrecks in the forums never seem to realize that they are inviting scrutiny when they launch their tirades.

  100. Etsy Made Me Do It November 9, 2010 at 8:10 pm #

    LoveandRage- LMAO at the Super 8 red dress shot.
    But wait some of their other photos are SO nice— oh- cause they came out of a catalog. got it.

    I am still howling over the trainwreck yesterday…

  101. Etsy Made Me Do It November 9, 2010 at 8:23 pm #

    was just browsing etsy by price (lowest to highest will turn out some good re-sellers from time to time) and came across this listing

    I am not claiming this is a re-seller, – i just wanted to share the awful photo… for some reason i thought it was hilarious.
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/60162167/sexy-n-cool-dennim-blue-nighty-party

  102. Life During Wartime November 9, 2010 at 8:30 pm #

    ^^^^ LOL at the photo. She’s THE FACE OF THE NEW ETSY for realz. Yeah, it’s a factory shop.

  103. Etsy Made Me Do It November 9, 2010 at 8:49 pm #

    I am always leery of shops with seriously photoshopped pix- catalog looking photos and clothes that look like they just got pulled out of a shipping box…

    or they have tags hanging off the clothes
    such as this one…
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/58680594/promise-yourself?ga_search_query=promise&ga_search_type=user_shop_ttt_id_6035300
    and I have traveled to Asia many times and I have yet to actually meet anyone over there that has a name like Karen… or joe or david or Lisa… etc… just sayin’

  104. Life During Wartime November 9, 2010 at 9:01 pm #

    Where is Garagetsy? I just found this ‘victorian’ item on the FP:

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/52603678/victorian-leather-pocket-mirror?ref=fp_treasury_1

    According to the tags, it’s also ‘steampunk’. Looks like a circa 1950s item to me. Everything then had its own little leather holder. All my mom’s charge plates (the little metal ones) had detailed leather sleeves, all different colors.

  105. Etsy Made Me Do It November 9, 2010 at 9:25 pm #

    I don’t trust the majority of the “vintage” sellers on Etsy- I find it hard to believe that they are all SO educated on heirlooms, antiques and such…
    and find it hard to believe that they do any research on the items- i know one person on there that buys crap from a local antique shop – marks it up, and she goes by what the dealer said. luckily – the dealer is legit. but how is anyone to know whether or not any of these shop owners actually know what the hell they are talking about?

  106. losinghope November 10, 2010 at 4:29 am #

    This is pure BS. Looks like a sweat shop to me.
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/61251213/rare-noblest-gambiered-guangdong-gauze

  107. WangFu November 10, 2010 at 4:30 am #

    Well, if you’ve been buying and selling vintage for a long, long, long time, you learn stuff.

    I stick to clothes, although I sell other vintage on ebay. I don’t sell stuff I don’t know. Jewelry is one – I know nearly nothing about vintage jewelry.

  108. Etsy Made Me Do It November 10, 2010 at 5:19 am #

    Wang-
    I feel you are one of the few that are honest about selling vintage, and it is nice to hear someone admit that. I agree- the longer you have been doing it the more you learn/know…

  109. losinghope November 10, 2010 at 5:40 am #

    I found this reseller on etsy and Artfire. Real fur animals…I wonder what kind of fur it is? Anyone’s cat gone missing lately???

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/DekoGift

  110. The Unknown Etsian November 10, 2010 at 7:32 am #

    found this reseller on etsy and Artfire. Real fur animals…I wonder what kind of fur it is? Anyone’s cat gone missing lately???
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/DekoGift
    ___
    Looks like rabbit or cat.

  111. JK November 10, 2010 at 10:17 am #

    Etsy Made Me Do It, I also sell genuine vintage on Etsy and I do agree that there are far too many sellers who couldn’t tell a pair of 1940s heels from a hole in the ground! My aunt and uncle deal in antiques (actual ones, not Etsy’s version of ‘antiques’!) and my mother is a collector, so I grew up surrounded by it and was taught identifying techniques as a kid so I could help look for pieces. I do actually do a lot of research; I’d guess I spend at least several hours on most pieces I sell, and often more, before listing it if it isn’t a brand/maker I already know well. Fortunately for me I also retain information easily so I’m able to ID plenty of pieces right away, or else I’d probably never leave the computer! 😉

  112. Sydney November 10, 2010 at 11:12 am #

    It might sound creepy, but I used to collect those fur animals when I was younger.. I think they are made from bunny hair >.<

    It creeps me out whenever I see them now, now that I know what they are, and theres a shop in Seattle that has A LOT of them.

    Still, nonetheless, I don't know how this:

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/49389059/silver-gray-koala-fur-animal-125-usd-now

    constitutes as a supply.

  113. Etsy Made Me Do It November 10, 2010 at 12:25 pm #

    creepy? yes!
    supply? what the huh *scratches head* supply?

    but oh wait…according to the seller “Silver Gray Koala, fur animal
    Inside structure is fiber glass which covering with high quality treated rabbit fur.
    Approx. size: 9.0*11.0*12.0 cm
    Look natural, real and cute
    Suitable for inddor garden and gift items for the one you love. ”

    because nothing says I love you more than a piece of fiber GLASS covered with a dead rabbit skin.

  114. Life During Wartime November 10, 2010 at 2:19 pm #

    Someone needs to convo DekoGift and suggest they tag their ‘supply’ with ‘rustic nature woodland organic industrial’ (fiberglas is industrial). I wanna see these resellers exploit Etsy to the maximum potential. Perhaps if they move in on cupcakette turf a little more, the hiney smoochers will stop complimenting the resellers on their ‘cute shops’ and demand that Etsy remove them.

  115. WangFu November 11, 2010 at 4:57 am #

    Compared to some of the other vintage sellers, I know nothing. lol catbooks and SD, garagetsy – those folks know serious shit and I will never be as knowledgeable.

  116. jenjasmine November 11, 2010 at 5:39 am #

    Orifashion’s shop is empty, but they have a link to their website in their shop announcement.

  117. Etsy Made Me Do It November 11, 2010 at 7:48 pm #

    hurrah!!! thanks for the update jenjasmine!

  118. Hi,Everyone, thanks for your comments.
    thanks for Etsy’s decision to suspend our listings.
    Here, We see the huge market for handmade crafts and items.
    and so many people are so kind to us.
    Yes, we change photoes, sell reproductions and altered designed wedding dresses, it is also a kind of creation and design.
    We used famous designers’s photoes, but we make it better.
    lik Toyota imitate GM, but Toyata make it better, why not?
    I think fans and customers are wise, they knw what is good what is bad, and what is evil. customers are the real God!

    After thinking about for 2 days, We decided to setup our handmade website. which is
    http://www.orifashion.net
    this site will going to make big changes, and are going sell many handmade item and custom made items by our professional employees and mateur workers, designers.
    Etsy is similar to ebay, What we will do is quite similar to Amazon.
    to make changes to the business world,
    So many customers and fans cann’t get what they really want on etsy,
    It is a shame for the commercial world.
    People should get what they want, as long as they can afford it.
    this is what we are going to do!
    to meet our customer’s requirements, let them be happy, be satisfied. no matter what they want to do as long as the cost is acceptable to them!

  119. Besides,
    We are creating our own brand name Orifashion.
    the website is
    http://www.orifashion.org
    there massive production of goods labelled as Brand Orifashion will be sold to the resellers all over the world.
    We are looking for and hiring designers to design our own styles.
    It is up to the customers who make the decision whether to buy a handmade or an item with Brand and are massive made.

  120. Thomas November 13, 2010 at 10:44 am #

    actually, Our company Orifashion makes cutomized, handmade wedding dresses.
    We listed them on etsy, We don’t think we did anything wrong, Sure we also listed some designer’s evening dresses, I saw lots of sellers on etsy listed similar item, which are not handmade,.So, I thought it is not against etsy’s rules, and list them as designer evening dresses and stated they are available in stock. some one and etsy think what we are doing is wrong,
    etsy think they are not handmade, but the wedding dresses are actually handmade. why get rid of all our listings?
    etsy’s then answered us that we had factories. I am wondering then we should not be allowed to list handmade items because we have factories. later, I infer that because we have factories and workshops, some of them make handmade products, then the products should not be called handmade item, they should be called massive products.
    does this sound funny?
    but now I understand etsy’s rules:
    one personal vendors who design by himself or herself, handmade items by himself or herself and sell by himself and herself on etsy, can have privilege to sell on etsy.
    otherwise, the sellers should be blocked from etsy.
    if the rules of etsy is true, I think that most of the sellers on etsy don’t meet this requirements.
    So, I am wondering why etsy are afraid of company sellers.
    on the contrary, ebay are so happy with company sellers.
    and actually, customers on etsy, I think could like company sellers more than personal sellers, Usually company sellers are more professional on business and can provide better service for customers, and better products.
    why not?

  121. Thomas November 13, 2010 at 11:07 am #

    then, I realized, that etsy are afraid of something, which I think that company sellers can bring away customers on etsy to their own websites,
    But I think customers have right and mind to decide where and what to buy. They are wise enough to know what is good, what are they want.
    what etsy need to do is make rules to guarantee all the sellers’s performance can meet their’s customers’ need.
    and not simply try to block business sellers or company sellers.
    besides, a real business seller like us cann’t be blocked from cusomers, even if etsy can block us from listing items on etsy shop.
    We still have other ways to do advertisements on internet and attract buyers worldwide. We compete by quality and service.
    and buyers are not stupid, they can find and judge what they should do.
    it seems that etsy is not managed well or are not open minded, and afraid of competition.
    We welcome competitions.
    because of etsy’s abnormal act, We found a huge market,
    So, we made decision to setup a site to sell handmade products to customers who can not find custom made and handmade proudcts they like on etsy.
    I am wondering then whether etsy will file a dispute or lawsuit to US goverment that We are selling fake handmade items, only items sold on etsy are true handmade. all items listed on other websites are fake one.
    hahaha!
    it is funny and interesting!

  122. Sydney November 13, 2010 at 12:51 pm #

    Do the designers know you are using their photos?

    If they don’t, that means you are STEALING.

  123. Etsy is for Handmade November 13, 2010 at 12:59 pm #

    I sit and make every single item in my shop, by hand, by myself.

    That is why I’m allowed on Etsy.

    Your factories make your items, not you. Etsy is a place where buyers have personal transactions with the artist themselves, not with some dude who runs a factory.

    If you disagree, go to Ebay. It’s Etsy’s rules, and if you don’t like them or choose not to follow them, tough luck to you, you do not own the website.

    It’s people like you who soil the spirit of Etsy. It’s sellers like you who cheapen the look of Etsy, and bring it down from the true Handmade Haven it once was. How can I, myself, compete with large factories like yours? Etsy is there for people like me, Ebay is for people like you.

  124. Droop November 13, 2010 at 5:23 pm #

    I have no words, just no words to say what I think. I am glad you found some other way to sell your non-handmade stuff.
    ps: We have a expression in the US: “If someone else jumps off the Empire State Building, does that mean it’s okay for you to do it?” (something along those lines)

  125. Life During Wartime November 13, 2010 at 5:59 pm #

    Actually I find it very interesting that someone who sells factory produced goods has observed how many mass made reseller items are now listed on Etsy.

    I wish there was a way to see all the items that were sold in a 24-hour period (like today, for example) and then see how many items were:

    – handmade
    – vintage items 20+ yrs old
    – commercial supplies
    – reseller goods
    – factory collective items
    – items listed as supplies, which aren’t
    – faux vintage

    A kind of snapshot showing what is really being sold on Etsy at this point.

  126. WangFu November 14, 2010 at 12:51 pm #

    Thomas, read the rules and then suck my dick. You are nothing but a scam artist.

  127. BlowinChunks November 14, 2010 at 8:59 pm #

    Thomas,
    Let me explain this to you. Etsy is a site that specializes in handmade items made by individuals or SMALL groups of people.
    If you would have read the Terms of Use when you signed up on Etsy you would have understood that and you would not be having this problem.

    Rules are rules. You can’t sell shoes in a car dealership, why would you even try? Same goes with Etsy. If you would have read the terms of Use before you started listing your items there you would have realized that you weren’t supposed to.

    Just because you saw someone else doing it doesn’t mean it is OK. If you saw someone else selling stolen bicycles would you do the same just because someone else is doing it?

    How would you like it if I steal photos off your website and pretend I own them? If I made a company and called it Arifashion and used the same photos and the same designs. I assume you would be OK with that?

  128. Thomas November 15, 2010 at 6:13 am #

    Hi,everyone, We listed our own wedding dresses on etsy.com. the pictures are taken by us, the dresses are customized design.
    we are also one of authorized the reseller the evening dresses made by another chinese vendor, their sales gave us photoes, We purchased their samples, the dresses are poorly made of cheap fabrics, and poorly sewed, We sent them to the rubbish box, but they have good designs. So, we used them on our website to do customized orders with better fabrics and better quality.
    I saw some US people listed them on the etsy, they claimed they designed the evening dresses. it is so funny! So I listed them on etsy.
    but we stated it is designer evening dresses in stock, we can accept custom order. We didn’t claim they are designed by us.
    we also used some pictures of famous brand in our online store, but we stated the dresses will be customized to the pictures, even better than the original pictures, We have very great craftsmanship and strick quality control plus professional workers and tailors, we can do them better. We are specialized in making good dress. But I never stated the pictures belong to us.
    We took some pictures after the dress is made, and listed in our websites. other people can also use them. no problem, but please don’t claim they belong to you.
    I am sorry, we could get some business from USA, some people could lose job or lose income because competition from China.
    but it is the commercial world,
    it is similar in China, Adidas, L.V., Toyota, Honda, Microsoft, cocacola, BMW also beat many chinese companies, some chinese people lost their job because of foreign brands.

  129. Thomas November 15, 2010 at 6:30 am #

    I don’t think We did anything wrong. sometimes, customers send us pictures, to make a dress as the pictures.
    sometimes, they need to do some alternation to the pictures, and make it better look, We did that for the customers.
    We also have employee to alter the pcitures, and make it better.
    the original designs then becomes new designs, after the dress is made, and took the pictures.
    then they will become a totally different and more beautiful dress.
    What We do is to meet customer’s requirements and make products they like.
    I don’t think this is against rules. many big company did that.
    We never use any big brands to sell our products, We use Orifashion, Our own brand.

    You American guys and women are good at design, we Chinese guys and women are good at manufacturing and making proudcutgs.
    So, Please design and design then sell the design to us, we will pay for the good designs.
    if you don’t sell the designs to us, We will make them, totally the same products in same design or even better design.
    IF your American guys and women try to handmade any good products then try to compete with our Chinese professional and competitive workers. I can bet you surely will lose.
    Ford and GM VS TOYOTA and HONDA, is the great case to testify this.
    Now, it is China’s turn instead of Japan to get American jobless.
    another way, is that US goverment should put more pressure on China goverment, force China goverment to change the exchange rate to US Dollar to Chinese Yuan.
    then, Chinese workers will not work for Americans, they will work for Chinese, and buy products made in USA.
    am I right?
    Guys and ladies,
    thanks

    every

  130. Thomas November 15, 2010 at 6:41 am #

    for good designers, my advice,please don’t show your pictures online, then, and apply for the copyright in USA and China and the whole world.
    otherwise, people everywhere could use your pictures.
    internet is an open world it is a world of sharing of good things.

    IF you didn’t apply your copyright. it is useless to accuse anybody who used your pictures.
    So, I don’t think esty’s business model fits internet.
    Maybe, etsy need to think about to change it’s way of running handmade business to protect the real designers.

  131. Thomas November 15, 2010 at 7:02 am #

    the third way for American, it is to force US goverment to shut down internet.
    but then, people in google in etsy will lose job,
    the forth way for American, it is force Obama to send a nuclear bomb to Beijing.
    then everying is over!!

    hahaa

  132. Thomas November 15, 2010 at 7:12 am #

    Sorry, some jokes,
    Orifashion really need to hire some talented part time designers in the world,
    If any people who are good at designing of wedding dresses, silk underwears, please contact us,
    thanks

  133. amused November 15, 2010 at 8:42 am #

    Thomas, please stop typing out your a**hole.

  134. Etsy is for Handmade November 15, 2010 at 9:21 am #

    Thomas, get your SHIT off of Etsy.

    You make no sense, and obviously don’t understand the rules of Etsy.

    NO resellers, NO factories, NO YOU.

  135. Thomas November 15, 2010 at 10:33 am #

    Hi, Guys, I understand you guys poor situation. and i also understand etsy’s stupid rules.

    personal artizan to sell their own designed, handmade items.
    But I am wondering:
    How etsy knows the guys are working on their own to making things, how to guarantee the guy will not purchase goods handmade in china and resell them on etsy?
    besides, how etsy know the guys or women selling handmade goods on etsy are not a factory or workshop owner?

    I can bet, more and more chinese guys and women will flood into etsy. etsy then need to assign a smart employee to China to check every chinese seller?
    You poor American guys and women could possilbly be jobless again with So many Chinese sellers on etsy.
    we are quite sympathetic with that, but please ask US government, Bill gates and Baffet to donate money to you.
    don’t accuse chinese sellers.
    even if etsy blocked all the chinese sellers, but in US, there are also so many smart Chinese american, they are doing the same things to get american jobless.
    So, please don’t complain or say anything like ” shit ” or fu^^ or bi***, it is useless.
    Be smart on work and competition.
    Don’t be loser! Brave and intelligent Americans!

  136. JK November 15, 2010 at 10:57 am #

    Dear Thomas:

    Fuck off.

    sincerely,
    someone who makes things by hand all by herself.

  137. Etsy is for Handmade November 15, 2010 at 1:42 pm #

    Thomas, you should really learn the rules of Etsy.

    Direct from their FAQs on what is allowed on Etsy:

    “What items can’t I sell on Etsy?

    What cannot be sold.

    Etsy’s marketplace is limited to handmade items, vintage goods and crafting supplies. All items listed in the handmade Categories must be made by the Etsy seller; we do not allow reselling of handmade goods. Mass-produced items — though they may be technically made by hand in some cases — are not in the spirit of Etsy and may not be listed in the handmade Categories.”

  138. JoJoy November 15, 2010 at 4:08 pm #

    Thomas, how many people do you have working on these new wedding dresses that you are going to sell on Etsy?

  139. thisisawesome November 16, 2010 at 1:18 am #

    More like: How many 6 year old children with tiny nimble fingers do you have working on these new wedding dresses….

  140. Dear JK
    Bitch you on.

    honestly, Someone who are nearly 50 years old and have 30 years of experience of tailoring are working in our factory to make handmade wedding dresses for you shit American.

    thisisawesome: You guys should be really fucked off by etsy!!

  141. Sydney:
    Do the customers knows you imported items made in China, then take pictures and put it on etsy, and pretend you design the item and handmade the item?
    Do you know you are cheating customers all over the world and stealing their money?

  142. thisisawesome:
    Did you use your 3 years old daughter or son to knit or handmade anything and sell them on etsy? and you pretend you handmade that shit item.
    if so, the customers know that, they sure will fuck you off the etsy!

  143. Catish November 16, 2010 at 4:41 am #

    Thomas/thanks/whatever. That’s not the way to bring people to see your website you know. I might have taken a look, but… well negative attitude bring no customer.

  144. Etsy is for Handmade:
    I can bet items sold on etsy are mostly made in China.
    some are massive produced in China, and some are handmade in China.
    so many etsy sellers imported goods in china, simpley cut the label, take pictures and claim they made the items.
    Can you etsy guys let the etsy sellers shows the certifications of origin place of manuafacturer of handmade items to the customers?
    otherwise, etsy will become the paradise of cheating.

    IF American sellers can imported item handmade or massive made in company or workshops in China and pretend to be a individual artizan sellers.
    why Chinese company or workshop, can’t sell their own handmade items on etsy?

  145. I do admit that some good guys and women handmade by themselves the items and sell them on etsy.
    but How do you etsy guys know who are the really artizan individual instead of scam?

    We admit we are a business owner.
    It is not problem We do not sell anything on etsy.
    There are so many American website which need our payment for advertiements. why etsy?
    But the fans and some unfriendly etsy sellers tried to attack us.
    that is no way.
    We are friendly to every one intitially,
    But if anybody tried to insult us,
    we sure will fuck them !!!!!!

  146. Thomas November 16, 2010 at 7:14 am #

    Hi,Etsy guy,
    Please shutdown our account on etsy, I didn’t find any way on our etsy accout to close down our shop.
    We will never purchase any scam artist items on etsy, if etsy are not friendly to us.
    So, We don’t need this account again, We now need to close this account.
    thanks.
    Thomas

  147. Sydney November 16, 2010 at 10:04 am #

    Actually, I take seed beads that were made in the Czech Republic, and then pick them up, one at a time, with an itsy bitsy little needle, and create beaded flowers.

    And then, I take an Austrian Crystal, and carefully center it on my flower.

    And, I’m not asian, I’m hispanic. I take EVERY single photo by myself, with a Nikon D80. I list everything myself, on my Dell Inspiron. I drive to the post office in a german car, and talk to the very nice Irish man behind the counter, pay with my american dollars, and then head back home.

    I really don’t know where in this process I import Chinese products and sell them on Etsy. My notebook might be made in China, and I know that Delicas are Japanese, but that isn’t Chinese.

    Really, Thomas, get a hold of yourself. Please, at this point, you are only making yourself look bad in front of potential customers.

  148. uh-huh November 16, 2010 at 8:47 pm #

    Good God, it never ends. You have your site, go run it. Forget about Etsy.

  149. Thomas November 16, 2010 at 11:18 pm #

    Sydney,

    We also imported swarovski crystal beads from Austria, and handmade good and high end wedding dresses for customers.
    We do both massive productions for resellers and handmade dresses for direct customers.
    I think etsy is not fair to us and some etsy sellers are discriminated with us.
    But don’t forget that:
    Logtech Mouses are made in our city Suzhou,
    Apple Iphones are made in another China city Shenzhen.
    AMD CPU have a big factory in Suzhou making CPU.

    Adidas shoes have big factories in Suzhou,

    even L.V. have some of their products made in Guangdong.

    made in china doesn’t means low quality, and cheap,

    some of Chinese are making cheap massive and low quality prouducts,

    some chinese companies are making products in toppest quality level.
    some chinese companies are making elite and handmade items.

    China is a very big country.
    Chinese workers can produce and make products from the highest technology like satellites to stockings of 1 dollor and lowest quality.
    the most expensive wedding dress are made in suzhou China, which sells at about 1.5 million US dolloars in China market,
    sure, the cheapeast wedding dress made in suzhou is 20-30USD.
    So, just as an American saying :” every coin has 2 sides”

    Chinese government is a little afraid of US government, but Chinese people are not afraid of any people from other countries.
    Some western people are discriminating Chinese.
    they are friendly to Japanese, they are not friendly to Chinese.
    that is wrong.
    I can bet that many years later, the guys and ladies who discriminate Chinese will surely be regret for what they are thinking now.

  150. Thomas November 16, 2010 at 11:28 pm #

    if etsy continue to its wrong attitude with Chinese sellers, I can assure that if etsy somedays later come to run buiness in China,
    it will possibly be boycotted by Chinese.
    Besides, some years later, We could possibly becomes the dead competitor of etsy business.
    Damned etsy!

  151. WangFu November 17, 2010 at 4:37 am #

    I could really go for an egg roll. right now.

  152. Thomas November 17, 2010 at 8:00 am #

    Jojoy,
    We had one girl listing dresses on etsy , communicate with customers and editting pictures, one girl taking pictures and do quality control, one girl making delivery. 3 girls for jobs on etsy, they graduated from universities and work quite hard and did execellent job.
    We have one tailor who worked in tailoring dresses for thirty years. He tailor the dresses, and 3-4 professional workers who have more than 8 years experience of sewing clothes and dresses.
    they are people who are doing jobs for customers on etsy.
    Sure, Our company have other employees and factories, which make massive products for resellers,

    all of them work very hard and work with love to help brides.
    when the girl listing the products saw all the listings were suspended that day, she was very angry. it took her one month’s hard work to list all the items and make pictures and write descriptions, she really works with love , hope to help brides to get their dream dresses.
    I received the email later from etsy, I was also very angry about that.
    etsy removed our listings without any notice in advance, later sent us emails to notify us that our listings are not handmade, I replied that the wedding dresses are handmade, then we got a reply from etsy, says that we have factories, we are too large to etsy.
    then later, We got lots of customers’ email ask us why our listings disappears, they really like our listings.
    I didn’t know how to answer their questions, have to say we are sorry, etsy suspended our listings.

  153. Thomas November 17, 2010 at 8:04 am #

    JewelJewel,

    You didn’t read our profile carefully before you write a comment. We stated that here in suzhou( our city ) there are 100 thousands of female embroidery workers,
    I never stated that our company have 100 thousands of workers,
    I am wondering whether you did not read our profile in detail or You are trying to mislead public?
    If you are trying to mislead public, I think the first guy or women should be fucked off etsy is you!!!

  154. Thomas November 17, 2010 at 8:13 am #

    Esty sent it’s emails to us and told us they humbly blahblah,
    but etsy removed our listing without any notice, it is totally rude to us and to customers on etsy, how do they say humbly?
    is that American way?
    ebay,google if need to remove listings and advertisements, they will send email to tell about reasons in advance.
    But etsy, I don’t know how etsy deal with sellers and buyers. I think etsy is totally self-centered instead of customer centered.

  155. Thomas November 17, 2010 at 8:25 am #

    About Etsy’s stupid rules.
    the rules themselves are correct, no problem.
    the problem is how to enforce the rules.
    Simply open a blog on wordpress, high someone who are not professional, to look for repeated items on alibaba, China taobao and other websites, if the sellers on etsy have same products or other sellers have same products on those websites.
    then the guy blah blah on wordpress and told public they found “another blastered seller”
    , then etsy suspended the listings of ” blastered sellers”
    this way sounds funny for etsy.
    I am wondering:
    Is this a professional way for etsy to enforce it’s rules?
    is this a effective way to tell true good handmade sellers from fake handmade sellers?

    is this a accurate way for etsy to tell apart the qualified sellers from unqualified sellers?
    does this way mislead public sometimes to misjudge the qualified sellers, and distroy reputation of a good guy?
    If so, does etsy be reponsible for loss to the good guyes?

  156. Thomas November 17, 2010 at 8:36 am #

    I checked etsy website, it seems etsy is a company listed on Nasdaq stock market,
    So, etsy is a public company,
    But how public company worked out such stupid rules, which can’t be enforced or can’t be enforced effectively, or sometimes can even destroy good guys’s reputation by etsy’s funny blog “etsycallout”, but let the bad guys doing the evil in the background.

    if the rules can not be enforced effectively, it is useless.

    it should be modified or revoked, and make new rules which can be enforced effectively and fairly.

    So, Totally speaking, etsy is a laughable public company!!

  157. Thomas November 17, 2010 at 8:51 am #

    etsy suspended our listings, it doesn’t matter, but we have to tell the trueth to the public.
    just like google’s saying” don’t be evil!”
    We really like this saying to keep true to public, whether is wrong or correct.
    etsy’s disgusting callout and the guy who “blahblah” the callout” should be stopped now.
    Etsy need to work out smarter rules instead of those stupid rules.
    Dear every mis”blastered” good guys and etsy sellers, do you agree?
    Dear every bad guys hiding in the background, and are doing evil, cheating customers, scamming their money, do you fear that?

  158. Thomas November 19, 2010 at 12:55 am #

    Hi,everyone, I contacted ETSY support about estycallout and other shit guys who are blaming us yesterday, here is their answer:

    “Hello,

    Thank you for contacting Etsy Support. It seems that you’re referring to a blog or website which is unaffiliated with Etsy. I am sorry for the harassment you’ve received on this outside site, but it is not an official Etsy resource. Please let us know if you have any other questions about Etsy.”

    ETSY’s answer testify these shit guys and women’s accusation are illegal. You have nothing do with ETSY.

    So, get fucked off wordpress blog, Bitch etsycallout , You are crimimals who pretend to be innocent and official ETSY staff to make comments and accusation of legal ETSY sellers.

  159. uh-huh November 19, 2010 at 8:17 am #

    Dude, get on with your life – off Etsy – forget about Etsy and go sell your stuff somewhere else. What is your problem?

  160. detroit November 19, 2010 at 11:00 am #

    Well Thomas, are all Chinese as professional, courteous, and as intelligent as you? If so, your country is in trouble.

    Seems like you have an inferiority complex with respect to the US! lol. You need to take your little bitty 小弟弟, and go cry to your Mum that a US company won’t let you break their rules! Boo hoo.

  161. WangFu November 19, 2010 at 11:54 am #

    There are million other venues for you to sell your mass-produced crap. Read the fucking rules about what is allowed.

  162. jenjasmine November 19, 2010 at 5:09 pm #

    OMG!!! Hahahahahahaah!

    Although I have to admit, I kind of agree with some of Thomas’ comments about Etsy, hahahaha!

  163. Thomas November 20, 2010 at 10:38 am #

    Wangfu,
    We stated we sell both handmade and massive produced products.
    It is up to Etsy to decide whether our handmade products are not not “handmade” they defined.
    besides, customers are the best judge instead of etsycallout and etsy itself.
    Sure, We have other ways to sell our products.
    but it has nothing to do with this illegal etsycallout. this bitch etsycallout guy doesn’t have right to accuse us.
    and some guys even insult us.
    WE are here simply fight for being a human with dignity and respect.

    detroit:
    Totally speaking, I think some of US companies and mose US people are repected companies and people.
    But a guy like you, if you are an American, I think it is absolutely is a malicious pig or isanle dog, any human will not fuck a stupid pig or an insane dog like you , instead, People will simply beat a stupid pig and insane dog with Leather whip

  164. Thomas November 20, 2010 at 10:48 am #

    uh-huh:
    My problem is I need to fuck these illegal bitches and some isane dogs like “detroiton”.

  165. Inspector Yuk November 20, 2010 at 3:23 pm #

    Wow Thomas, and I thought I was long winded,

    I think you are missing the whole point. Etsy was founded because the sole artist or craftsman didn’t really have a venue to sell in without competing with companies like yours. Someone who by themselves think of a design, draw out a pattern, buy material and cut out the dress and then sew it themselves, maybe embellish it with beads or lace by hand, then find someone to model it, take pictures of it, edit those pictures, then upload them on their home computer, edit the photos if they need it, write a description and hope and pray that the materials they bought, the time they spent didn’t go to waste because, naturally, their price has to reflect all that went into it. Not to mention they then have to package it up and ship it out…themselves.

    The whole premise behind Etsy was that the sole artisan or crafter could sell in a place where they didn’t have to compete with people like you who have multiple people doing the cutting, sewing, computer work, shipping and can produce on a higher level and therefore charge less. I’m sure your handmade items (made by many pairs of hands compared to a single or perhaps 2 pair of hands in some cases) are wonderful, well made and you have happy customers. That really has nothing to do with this issue.

    Imagine if it were you, just you doing all the work that your employees do. From designing to cutting fabric, to sewing, to listing and shipping. Maybe you have an assistant who can do the computer and take care of shipping to help you out. Now, imagine you found a place to sell your handmade, by you, items where everyone else was in the same situation, one or two people doing everything. How would you feel if factories like yourself started to open shops on that site? How would you feel if they were claiming to be handmade, and because of the definition of the word technically your items are handmade, but not in the spirit or rules of the site?

    No one thinks you’re evil or that your stuff is crap, they just feel that you don’t belong on Etsy. the fact that more and more factory produced products are showing up on Etsy is a cause of severe frustration and angst from sellers who believe Etsy should stick to their original vision.

    I am really glad to hear that your company makes quality products and you care about your customers. There are a lot of mass manufacturers who produce cheap crap, and I’m sure you know it. Unfortunately, Etsy isn’t the venue for your products, though I have to say for myself, I’d rather have your factory than some of the other reseller crap people on Etsy try to pass off as Vintage or Handmade. At least there is a ‘person’ behind your shop.

  166. detroit November 20, 2010 at 4:24 pm #

    Thomas
    November 20, 2010 at 10:48 am
    uh-huh:
    My problem is I need to fuck these illegal bitches and some isane dogs like “detroiton”.
    ___________________________
    Um, Thomas – I assume you aren’t a native english speaker. But, do you realize you’re posting here on this site, with a link to YOUR BUSINESS, and are typing VERY offensive things like the above?

    Just a tip – everyone can see the internet (and this site), and you could be hurting your business. You are NOT being professional.

    I understand that you don’t understand Etsy’s rules, or agree with their decisions, but a professional person would NOT be saying the things you’ve been posting above.

    I don’t know what you know about US culture, but, regardless of your anger, ‘bitch’, ‘bastard’ and ‘fuck’ are NOT words business people should be using in public!

    I am American. But I also love China, and Chinese culture. I’ve even learned a little bit of Chinese. So I understand that not ALL Chinese are rude, crude and vulgar like you are. But not all Americans know much about China. So, if you want to have a respected business that sells items in the US, you better use a more professional tone. Would your mother be proud of what you’ve posted here???

    FYI – 肏你祖宗十八代

  167. Thomas November 20, 2010 at 11:56 pm #

    detroit:
    following are what detroit commented about me ahead of my comments about you:

    ” 160 | detroit
    November 19, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Well Thomas, are all Chinese as professional, courteous, and as intelligent as you? If so, your country is in trouble.

    Seems like you have an inferiority complex with respect to the US! lol. You need to take your little bitty 小弟弟, and go cry to your Mum that a US company won’t let you break their rules! Boo hoo”

    Dear every one, Do you know what “小弟弟” means in Chinese Slang? here I translate it into English :”Penis”
    Dear every one, Do you know what “肏你祖宗十八代” means in Chinese? Here I translate it into English: ” Fuck you 18 generations of your family”

    Dear every one, please read this blog from the beginning, Did I commented detroit in a unfriendly way initially before he made the first insulting comment about me?

  168. Thomas November 21, 2010 at 12:14 am #

    detroit and etsycallout:

    We are a registered company in China, We have registered business number, office address, contact number even my Chinese name in my website.
    We are responsible for what We say and We do.
    But I have to ask:
    etsycallout, detroit,
    Who are you? what is your identification? what is your true name?
    Who autherized you to use “etsy”‘s name to publish blogs about etsy sellers?
    Who give you rights to accuse etsy sellers?
    Who give you rights to judge etsy sellers with your own “rules”
    furthermore, do you have any certificates of distincting ” true handmade items” from ” fake handmade items” issued by any official or folk institutes in US or in any other countries?

    Esty’s statement do testify that “estycallout” has nothing do with esty company and etsy website, nevertheless, etsy also apologized to us for your harrassment caused to us .

    Etsy closed our store as we requested today, We abide by Etsy’s rules, no matter whether it’s decision is correct or wrong.
    We respected etsy’s decision.

  169. Thomas November 21, 2010 at 12:22 am #

    but for you guys,
    detroit and etsycallout,
    I am sure You are illegal!
    If you are legal, why don’t you guys don’t publish your names,identifications? why only use your anonymous web names?

    Why don’t guys make statements on your blog like this:”
    We are XXX and XXX, this is a personal blog, which has nothing to do with etsy website and etsy company, We we publish is our personal comments, We are not liable for liability of infringement of laws and privacy, We are not responsible for any insulting and harrassments to anybody!”

  170. Thomas November 21, 2010 at 12:36 am #

    Dear all,
    So, If you etsycallout guys can’t testify you are not illegal.
    You guys not only infringes Etsy’s intellectual property rights by ” use “Etsy” word on your “Etsycallout ” blog, You guys also infringes other sellers’s privacy and rights.
    Besides, Did any customers authorized you guys to make gossips on any sellers? No.

    My conclusion:
    Neither Etsy, nor any official insistitues, nor any customers authrozied you to do this illegal gossip job,
    So, What you guys are doing now is doing evil and committing crimes!
    Did you guys realized it?

    I can bet someday, if you guys publish your identifications, Etsy company, any honest seller sure will sue you guys on US courts and get you guys punlished by US laws to get justice for the Etsy users both sellers and buyers.

  171. Thomas November 21, 2010 at 12:53 am #

    Dear all,
    I am wondering why etsycallout guys are so angry about us and other sellers on etsy and make rumours around.
    Here is my answer after considerable thinking and investigation:
    1. these etsycallout guys are the true resellers and sellers of fake handmade items on etsy. I read many of their comments on their blogs, they are also etsy sellers. they are in US.
    So, why they are so afraid of sellers in China and other countries out of China?
    as everyone knows:
    handmade items or vintage items made in China and other developing countries are much cheaper than in US, actually now nowadays,there are very few handmade items and vintage items are made in US, because of very high cost of human labor.

    So these guys purchased many items on Alibaba and Tao and other websites, which are made in China, and then list them on etsy to cheat customers they handmade those items.

    But the true makers of the those items find this way to sell they items on etsy. and flood in to sell their own handmade items.

    So, this becomes the disaster and nighmares of these etsycallout guys, because direct sellers in China and other countries compete direclty with these etsycallout guys, these etsycallout guys will surely be defeated, and lose their business.
    So they find wordpress, this free and anonymous blog to attack the real sellers on etsy. at the same time, in case that they will be caught and prosecuted by laws for their crimes, they hide their names and identifications.

  172. Thomas November 21, 2010 at 1:14 am #

    detroit:
    You bitch cheater, criminal, real reseller,
    why you are so angry with me?
    Why you don’t dare to use English to insult me, instead using ” Chinese”?

    Now I found reasons:
    1. You surely are a Chinese American , if you are an American citizen, You probably are one of Stowaways without Ameican ID.
    So you even know the worst slang of cursing in Chinese.

    2. You puchased huge lots of items in Alibaba and Taobao and sell them on etsy, So you are very familar with items on those websites, once a true sellers comes on etsy, you found them and start to blogging , commenting and cursing them.

    3. if you are such a Amerian with your Ancestor in China, I am sure every Chinese will whip you this stupid pig, and every Good Chinese man feel shamed of you.

    4.Besides you, there are some other active etsycallout guys seems to be Chinese origin.

    Why you guys don’t feel shamed what you are doing now?
    Why We can’t call you guys criminals and bitches after you shit guys insulted me, even we initially are very polite to you?

    5. The last words, I give you these guys:

    Get fuck off Etsy and your damned Etsycallout!!!! don’t destroy Chinese’s reputation and etsy’s reputation !!
    otherwise, every honest and brave Chinese and American will fuck you off!!!

  173. detroit November 21, 2010 at 5:09 am #

    Listen silly – you have no sense of humor. You were using terrible curse words in English (VERY 不礼貌的), so I cursed back at you in Chinese! It is a JOKE!!

    You started using offensive profanity FIRST! I simply responded.

    You need to STOP cursing in English! It’s VERY, VERY rude. I cursed at you in Chinese to show you how you sound in English.

    If, from the US, you google “Chinese profanity” the first site is an English wikipedia page listing a bunch. I COPIED and PASTED. Duh!

    Learn to use the internet! Anyone with two eyes can see this site has nothing to do with Etsy. And is meant to criticize it.

    I have no relationship with Etsy callout. I just post here like you do. I’m American, of European ethnicity (not that it’s any of you business). And just like you learned English in school, we also learn foreign languages in school. Do I really have to explain this? I took ONE semester of Mandarin at university.

    Also, I assume you are not familiar with American laws. We have a legal RIGHT to free speech here. We are ALLOWED to criticize others. Etsycallout is not illegal in any way.

    If you want to do business in the US, and not have a disaster like this happen, you should educate yourself more about our culture, laws and customs.

    Alright. Talk to you later! 886!

  174. Thomas November 21, 2010 at 8:43 am #

    Listen Fool,
    you have no sense of politeness!
    You insulted me first, So, I fight you back!
    You cursed me in Chinese, it is joke?
    if some day later, I come to US, and funk your mother or your wife, then I told you it is joke, what do you think?

    China first Chairman ” Maotztong” ever says ” if anybody try to beat us, We surely will fight back, if anybody don’t beat us, We surely will not beat him first”
    So, US government never dare to beat China then, because they know Armies from US and China met on Korea, they have very bloody war, but both fight even. none won the war.

    Now Chinese goverment are little afraid of US Government, So Some American try to insult us. We miss Chairman Mao!
    I am adhere his great philosophy!
    “If you want to do business in the US, and not have a disaster like this happen, you should educate yourself more about our culture, laws and customs”

    thanks for your advices, I did business with American for some years. I know how to deal with good Americans and bad guys in US.

    “We have a legal RIGHT to free speech here. We are ALLOWED to criticize others. Etsycallout is not illegal in any way.”
    Yes, We absolutedly aree, We also have right to free speech in China. We can say anything about any one with my family members and with my relatives.
    But If I stand in public, and try to tell every body ” a guy is thief” I have to have confirmed evidence. Otherwise, if I can’t show evidence confirmed by law, I will be caught by police and sued by court because I am making a crime to maliciously destroy a guy’s reputation and infringe his rights.

    Can you American stand at White house and tell every senior and junior representatives of councile or goverments’ officer, that “Obama is thief”?

  175. The Unknown Etsian November 21, 2010 at 9:02 am #

    Thomas – BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS.

  176. Thomas November 21, 2010 at 9:04 am #

    You guy said “Seems like you have an inferiority complex with respect to the US!”

    I need to teach you guy a lession:
    In China, People would like be courtious, and polite to unkown people. So I am very polite and courtious to you guy first, when you guys are blaming us at the beginning.
    It shows our respect to a person who meet us the first time.

    So, You guys think We are inferior to you American,
    then, You guys are too proud of yourselves, then really think You are superior to us, then tried to insult us with discrimination.

    I showed you guys respects , in Chinese saying is “give you face”, but Your thoughts about us is totally wrong, You think We are afraid of you, We are inferior to you. then You guys become insultive and racive,

    then after, What I did is let you guys know We are not inferior to you. We are even more clever than you silly guys!

    Wisdom is not determined by color of your face and skin.

    besides, like your American laws’s spirit ” human are born in Equality”

  177. The Unknown Etsian November 21, 2010 at 9:12 am #

    And why is the site .org? Org means a non profit organization or something not for commercial selling. More bs.

  178. Thomas November 21, 2010 at 9:53 am #

    .org is Suffix of domain name invented by your intelligent American.
    “Org means a non profit organization or something not for commercial selling” is you guys BS explanation in American way.

    We only think it is a website suffix. if there is any meaning, I think We are a legal company, it is a kind of organization in Chinese.
    So, guy, do I need to “BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS” too?

  179. detroit November 21, 2010 at 10:48 am #

    174 | Thomas
    November 21, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Can you American stand at White house and tell every senior and junior representatives of councile or goverments’ officer, that “Obama is thief”?
    ______________________________

    Actually, yes! It is a right guaranteed to Americans in the First Amendment to the Constitution – free speech: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the FREEDOM OF SPEECH, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    It’s one good thing about this country. Though there are many problems too.

    China’s great too (with many problems), the US is great (but with many problems).

    We have to work together – so let’s just be friends (pengyou) and stop cursing. Though I’m happy that through this discussion I learned the one about 18 generations of ancestors! haha.

  180. Inspector Yuk November 21, 2010 at 12:00 pm #

    Well Thomas, you conveniently skipped my post, so I’ll say it again:

    Wow Thomas, and I thought I was long winded,

    I think you are missing the whole point. Etsy was founded because the sole artist or craftsman didn’t really have a venue to sell in without competing with companies like yours. Someone who by themselves think of a design, draw out a pattern, buy material and cut out the dress and then sew it themselves, maybe embellish it with beads or lace by hand, then find someone to model it, take pictures of it, edit those pictures, then upload them on their home computer, edit the photos if they need it, write a description and hope and pray that the materials they bought, the time they spent didn’t go to waste because, naturally, their price has to reflect all that went into it. Not to mention they then have to package it up and ship it out…themselves.

    The whole premise behind Etsy was that the sole artisan or crafter could sell in a place where they didn’t have to compete with people like you who have multiple people doing the cutting, sewing, computer work, shipping and can produce on a higher level and therefore charge less. I’m sure your handmade items (made by many pairs of hands compared to a single or perhaps 2 pair of hands in some cases) are wonderful, well made and you have happy customers. That really has nothing to do with this issue.

    Imagine if it were you, just you doing all the work that your employees do. From designing to cutting fabric, to sewing, to listing and shipping. Maybe you have an assistant who can do the computer and take care of shipping to help you out. Now, imagine you found a place to sell your handmade, by you, items where everyone else was in the same situation, one or two people doing everything. How would you feel if factories like yourself started to open shops on that site? How would you feel if they were claiming to be handmade, and because of the definition of the word technically your items are handmade, but not in the spirit or rules of the site?

    No one thinks you’re evil or that your stuff is crap, they just feel that you don’t belong on Etsy. the fact that more and more factory produced products are showing up on Etsy is a cause of severe frustration and angst from sellers who believe Etsy should stick to their original vision.

    I am really glad to hear that your company makes quality products and you care about your customers. There are a lot of mass manufacturers who produce cheap crap, and I’m sure you know it. Unfortunately, Etsy isn’t the venue for your products, though I have to say for myself, I’d rather have your factory than some of the other reseller crap people on Etsy try to pass off as Vintage or Handmade. At least there is a ‘person’ behind your shop.

  181. detroit November 21, 2010 at 1:46 pm #

    LOL – Inspector Yuk. You’re too reasonable and diplomatic! You need to curse at him in Chinese to get his attention.

    FYI Thomas – I’m a woman.

  182. madmomma November 21, 2010 at 9:06 pm #

    apparently Thomas hasn’t had enough of us yet… or Etsy…

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/62321490/elegant-a-line-chiffon-wedding-dress

    all that ranting about how awful Etsy is and then you go open up ANOTHER Etsy shop?

  183. Thomas November 22, 2010 at 2:01 pm #

    detroit,
    Fine, Thanks for your explanation, Let us be pengyou.
    I apologize for my rudeness, I didn’t know you are a women
    I thought you were a Bad american guy who has only pride.
    It seems that you are a considerable lady, not as bad as some other guys on this blog.
    just like you, I also like American culture.
    Read some books about US, and ever met some US guys here in our City. I ever worked for an US company many years ago in shanghai.
    It is ture that now both US and China have problems.

    For China, the biggest issue is political reform, which goes too slow, China’ future depends it’s political reform. I hope in the future, China can become a democratic country. people with better welfare and income and security and freedom.
    then, We should be more focused on domestic market instead of compete with Your American so fielsly while American have a very hard time.

    For US, the biggest issue is Economy now. Many people are jobless.
    But think another way is good for some people who do not have good job or jobless.
    Some US people come to China as English teacher or work for Chinese companies and foreign companies, some even start their own business in China.
    Some Chinese people move to US because of political reason.
    because in US, they could have more security. Some of them are good people,and some are evil people.

  184. Thomas November 22, 2010 at 2:09 pm #

    Inspector Yuk
    thanks for your explanations and understanding.
    You could be right.
    but everything is up to the rules and how the rules are executed.

    You are quite fair, reasonable to us.
    thanks
    Hope You have a good life.

  185. wtf again? November 28, 2010 at 10:29 am #

    As of November 28, 2010: I used TinEye for just one of those bridal gowns and it comes up 32 times on various websites including factory sites and ebay. Handmade? Etsy *knock knock* anyone home? Even the pictures are a dead giveaway. Some are used exactly as-is from the magazine and others have the backgrounds cropped away and substituted – OBVIOUSLY.

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