Congrats Etsy…you made CNN

8 Jan
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65 Responses to “Congrats Etsy…you made CNN”

  1. JK January 8, 2011 at 11:22 am #

    And Etsy can’t close those forum threads fast enough! Remember, kids — if you hide anything unhappy from view, that means everything is a-okay.

  2. Life During Wartime January 8, 2011 at 11:31 am #

    Maybe all the mountains of publicity the shop in question is getting for free will attract more of the same ilk. More listing fees in Etsy’s ka-ching coffers.

  3. manhattanite January 8, 2011 at 11:37 am #

    The card seller is selling around 30-50 cards a day since it aired….nearly 40,000 hits on the main card featured….’Congrats you got bad-mentioned by CNN, but made $$$ in sales afterwards!”

  4. Susan January 8, 2011 at 12:01 pm #

    Etsy needs to make a statement and do some damage control. Like the yesterday before yesterday. Then YouStupidBitch could make them some apology cards to send out. The one with the guy’s head up his ass would be appropriate.

  5. thisetsychick January 8, 2011 at 2:43 pm #

    It’s all about the “cha-ching!” with Etsy.

    *waves to MintyCloverStudio* Hi Kristen Purcell! Er.. SparklePeach…er DearestClementine…er…Peaches4Me…er GardenSecrets

  6. Life During Wartime January 8, 2011 at 2:57 pm #

    What Etsy and its employees work hard to protect from public bad-keyboarding is very telling: resellers, fraudulent vintage, and now callous hipsters trying to break the bad taste barrier.

    Only a handful of years ago, Etsy was about protecting handmade and small home-based businesses.

    I wanna know when those cards will be on the shelf at WAL-MART, considering they ‘fig leaf’ the display of mainstream magazines there.

  7. Alli January 8, 2011 at 3:25 pm #

    Oh man, I wish Etsy would have been on CNN for something more widespread like the fake reseller/vintage bait-and-switch. The cards are awful, but this press is only bringing him sales.

  8. EtsyDontCare January 8, 2011 at 5:39 pm #

    No need to discuss this on Etsy as they shut it down rather quickly. This is a hard one.

    Honestly in my opinion the cards are offensive. I see NO humor but they are not against the law unless there is a law in bad taste.

    I would be curious to how some feel about the new Edition of Mark Twain’s “Adventures of Huckleberry Finn” and “Tom Sawyer” being reprinted without the “N” word.

  9. em January 8, 2011 at 6:09 pm #

    wow, how unfortunate. No telling how many people are never going to shop on Etsy because their first impression of the site is through this controversy.

    I don’t want to inject too much of my personal opinion, but while I find the cards in horribly bad taste, they are pretty much covered under the first amendment. It’s not like they’re sending the cards to rape victims or otherwise flaunting them (well, until now, but it’s due to everyone else giving them tons of free publicity). The cards are there for any psychopath to purchase completely of their own accord.

    If nobody had made a big stink about this shop in the first place, they would probably still be at zero sales. While I would advise Etsy to remove them, they don’t have to. It’s their site and they can remove (or not remove) anything they please. If someone doesn’t like it, guess what? They can leave!!

    I know Etsy has a plethora of internal issues, but this is affecting legitimate sellers who may or may not depend on Etsy for income. I can deal with crap resellers and tag stuffers, but they seriously need to do some damage control, NOW, before the word Etsy is more commonly associated with these disgusting cards than actual handmade, vintage, and indie artists.

  10. EtsyDontCare January 8, 2011 at 6:58 pm #

    You have a very good point em Etsy may want to considered this. The shop has had 72 sales which is a mere $180.00 at $2.50 a card. How many potential buyers will they lose with this bad publicity. Which does obviously affect us sellers too.

    Again IMHO I do not believe in censorship but Etsy can close down their shop if they choose to and maybe do a public apology for some more media action.

  11. EtsyDontCare January 8, 2011 at 7:25 pm #

    From yet another closed thread:

    We appreciate that this topic weighs on the minds of our members. The themes of this shop could be considered controversial, and I can see how they touch very personally.

    However, when reviewing items that are requested to be removed; this is a decision that ultimately is made based on our policies. Prohibited items include:
    * Alcohol
    * Tobacco
    * Drugs, drug-like substances, drug paraphernalia
    * Live animals, illegal animal products
    * Pornography
    * Firearms and/or weapons
    * Recalled items
    * Real estate
    * Motor vehicles (automobiles, motorcycles, boats, etc.)
    * Items that promote or glorify hatred, racial, religious intolerance
    * Items that instruct others to engage in illegal activity
    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6738702&page=1

    Not sure if this list covers the cards. I was curious to see what would pop up and I found Playboy Magazines, Hustler and Penthouse magazines. Lots of pipes. But I guess they are vintage and glass art lol

    Etsy is really becoming a JOKE!

  12. mymy January 8, 2011 at 8:04 pm #

    Honestly the first amendment does not protect the right to say any damn thing you want any damn place you want. People need to read before they claim any and all speech is protected under the first amendment.

  13. EtsyDontCare January 8, 2011 at 8:07 pm #

    If you look in the feedback one of the ADMINS purchased two cards:
    http://www.etsy.com/people/youstupidbitch/feedback?type=from_buyers
    http://www.etsy.com/people/twokb
    So they must not think much of the whole situation.

  14. madmomma January 8, 2011 at 8:21 pm #

    It just KILLS me that Etsy shuts down threads about this topic.
    Censor much? NOT? yes? no? ahhh, even Etsy doesn’t know!

    Unbelievable that Etsy couldn’t whip together a few sentences explaining WHY they were allowing it, or explaining that other sellers have nothing to do with it. Etsy should have said something…

  15. ConstutitionRock January 9, 2011 at 2:21 am #

    The cards being on Etsy are not covered under the first amendment.
    This is the first amendment:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Etsy is not Congress. Therefore, the first amendment is irrelevant.

  16. Buyer Only January 9, 2011 at 8:25 am #

    What is sad is that there were a whole bunch of people who had no idea Etsy existed. Now they do and a large percentage will probably never go there.

    Regardless of their TOS, Etsy has a moral and social responsibility to the public. They should make a public statement in one regard or another.

    What gets me is the number of sellers who jump in the forum threads supporting the card seller, but on the other hand, worry that it will hurt their own business.

    I imagine some woman’s rights organizations will protest this loudly in the days to come. It’s already spreading like wildfire on the internet.

  17. EtsyDontCare January 9, 2011 at 8:30 am #

    For some reason my post is still in moderation:

    If you look in the feedback one of the ADMINS purchased two cards:
    http://www.etsy.com/people/youstupidbitch/feedback?type=from_buyers
    http://www.etsy.com/people/twokb
    So they must not think much of the whole situation.

  18. FormerEtsyBuyer January 9, 2011 at 8:56 am #

    It never ceases to amaze me at how low people can go. These cards are beyond revolting.

    But on a side not, that IS Kristin Purcell now posing as “Libby” at mintycloverstudios! (Ha, those glasses in her avatar!) It’s amazing to see that gardensecrets has scammed SO many customers and is still there…Kristin Purcell closed her other shops but not sparklepeach on artfire—I wonder if she’ll go to the forums there and “complain” that “someone stole her exact wording” again.

  19. em January 9, 2011 at 9:37 am #

    ok, well regardless of whether it’s covered under the first amendment (forgive me for my inaccuracies), the arguments saying they should be taken down because they violate women’s rights, equal opportunity, etc. is crap. I should say there’s nothing really ILlegal about it that I can guess.

    It’s stupid that just because most women find it revolting, they think they can go on TV and report it like they are all-knowing, and don’t even bother to write a non-biased story. Of course if you invite rape victims on your show, they will agree that the cards need to be taken down! Where are your men, your younger women who (fortunately) have never been sexually assaulted?

    I usually like CNN, but this story is shit. It’s one woman ranting about something she doesn’t like. Hopefully viewers will see through it and check Etsy out anyway and find all the good (haha, I can still hope…)

  20. madmomma January 9, 2011 at 11:04 am #

    I was actually quite disappointed with CNN as it was a completely slanted/biased piece. They usually do a good job on pulling someone from both sides to give a sense of balance. I was expecting they would have someone with a legal background to comment, I wonder what happened here.

  21. stinkypants January 9, 2011 at 11:16 am #

    Those younger women who are not so uptight about rape jokes, unlike the older women who are just no fun ?

  22. madmomma January 9, 2011 at 11:28 am #

    Buyer Only said:
    What gets me is the number of sellers who jump in the forum threads supporting the card seller, but on the other hand, worry that it will hurt their own business.

    ———-
    I have not seen many sellers state that they “support” the cards or seller, but they do uphold the belief that they do not violate any of Etsy’s TOU’s and therefore should be left alone. I have also noted a few that said they thought some of the cards were funny, others are disgusted and some are indifferent. (and I am sure there are others I have left out)

    A person can be against censorship and still be concerned about the issue. Just because a person does not want to see Etsy censor content does NOT mean that they support the content in question.

  23. em January 9, 2011 at 11:30 am #

    I’m not saying the older women are “just no fun” or that they shouldn’t hold the opinion they do, I’m saying CNN should have a variety of viewpoints on their stories and not just the extreme cases (in this case, very outspoken women who have experienced rape).

  24. JK January 9, 2011 at 12:31 pm #

    No offense Em, but I really don’t give a sweet goddamn about the viewpoint of people who think sexual assault is something to be mocked.

  25. Buyer Only January 9, 2011 at 12:47 pm #

    The sellers in the forums defending the cards make me sick. They cry First Amendment, yet most of them don’t understand what it means. These are the same group of loud mouths who wanted to censor (and still want to) the coral article.

  26. sick of cupcakes January 9, 2011 at 1:40 pm #

    If there was a picture of a minority on that card, you can damn well bet it would be long gone.

  27. em January 9, 2011 at 1:49 pm #

    People who can’t respect the opinions of others are the idiots who got this seller on TV in the first place, JK. No, I don’t think the cards are funny, but I wouldn’t even know about this douchebag seller if the bloggers and boycotters hadn’t made a big fucking deal about it.

    This is exactly the problem. Just because most people think it’s unacceptable, they think their own opinions hold so much weight that they should be able to control others’ actions.

  28. Mymy January 9, 2011 at 2:37 pm #

    That is it exactly sick of cupcakes! And many of the people crying out against censorship would be demanding something else. It is beyond disgusting that we can still trivialize and poke fun of abused women and mentally ill children.

  29. Jennifer S. January 9, 2011 at 4:53 pm #

    do you all know that this seller has even more sick and revolting cards for sale on their own website? a quick google search will pull it up
    http://www.youstupidbitch.com
    looks like they purposefully left out the more racey ones off of etsy (porn).

    my mom died of breast cancer recently 😦

  30. Christine January 9, 2011 at 6:21 pm #

    I hate these cards. There I said it. And to show how much I hate these cards I won’t buy one. I won’t give this person my money. I won’t bother looking at their site and I won’t talk about it once I’m done speaking here.

    There are hundreds of things over the course of a year that we may find offensive, wrong or simply in bad taste. Doesn’t mean someone else can’t make it, like it or buy it. We can go on and on all we want about rights, human rights, civil rights, but this person has the right to make these cards, bad taste is not against the law. The best way to make something like this go away is to stop talking about it. This seller is getting loads of free advertising. They know exactly what they are doing.

    Yes, we all have someone in our lives (or even we ourselves) who have experienced something bad. My son has cancer, boo hoo for us. This seller is still allowed to make and sell cards making light of the disease.

  31. em January 9, 2011 at 7:21 pm #

    Thank you, Christine. My thoughts exactly, but you have put it much more clearly 🙂

  32. madmomma January 9, 2011 at 9:35 pm #

    Jennifer – sorry to hear about your mother, and Christine – I cannot imagine what you are going through, but I hope for the best.

    Christine I appreciate your comment, it made me realize that I just need to shut up and not give the card issue any more of my time.

  33. uh-huh January 10, 2011 at 5:57 am #

    Kinda amusing that some of the same people who will crucify a person using the word ‘retarded’ on the forum are defending the shop and cards.

  34. Artfire Seller January 10, 2011 at 7:16 am #

    As much as I think the cards are in extremely poor taste and just rude and socially unacceptable, what I found more troubling was Etsy’s lack of response. Someone aboved criticized CNN for going on with the story, but they contacted Etsy for a comment with no response. The seller responded.

    My problem is with Etsy’s inconsistent enforcement of its own rules. Etsy has taken down items that were less offensive.

    However, when I heard that the first 2 feedback were from an Etsy admin (and checking out his subsequent purchases), it all became clear. Apparently these are a bunch of immature people whose parents never taught them social graces. If they think it’s cool (social graces be damned) and gosh knows the world revolves around them, then it must be OK!

  35. detroit January 10, 2011 at 8:02 am #

    I don’t think a lot of you understand ‘rights’ to free speech in the slightest (which, btw, I support fully). YES, this person has the absolute right to make these cards. But, Etsy does NOT have to sell them.

    By you all’s logic, Macy’s would HAVE to sell these cards too, lest they be violating the card makers free speech?? That makes no sense.

    If these cards showed a person of color swinging on a noose, with ‘Congratulations, you just got lynched!!’, you can bet every penny you own that Etsy would yank them in a heartbeat. And they would be fully within their rights to do so.

    If you don’t mind the cards, fine. But Etsy in no way has to sell them.

    Learn the constitution people!

  36. JK January 10, 2011 at 8:36 am #

    Wow, Em. Not what I was saying at all, but at least now I know you completely lack empathy and trying to explain to you will be absolutely pointless.

  37. Buyer Only January 10, 2011 at 9:08 am #

    Thank you Detroit for being the voice of reason. You summed it up concisely.

    Etsy does have the freedom to choose what they do and do not want on their site. Freedom is not a one-way street.

    I read a few of the forum threads on this topic and the lack of understanding of the Bill of Rights by so many people blew my mind.

    Giving the argument that if Etsy pulls the cards they have violated the seller’s First Amendment rights is bull. Pulling the cards from their site does not interfere with the sellers FA rights. The seller can still make the cards and distribute them elsewhere. Etsy would simply be exercising their right to run their business as they choose and if they choose to remove objective or offensive material.

    No one is holding the Second Amendment to Etsy’s head making them uphold the First Amendment. It just doesn’t apply here.

    As Detroit said, learn the Constitution.

  38. em January 10, 2011 at 9:16 am #

    Sorry JK, I’m really not trying to be an ass, but the phrase “no offense” for some reason automatically makes me take offense. It’s not your fault, but to me it’s a very pointless phrase.

  39. panda January 10, 2011 at 9:20 am #

    No, etsy does not have to sell these cards. But as the TOUs are currently written there is nothing forbidding the sale of these cards on etsy. There is no legal reason they would have to remove them.
    I imagine there are many things people find offensive on etsy every day that get reported. And I would imagine that etsy does not remove anything that does not violate their TOU. If there was a card depicting a lynching I think it would be removed because etsy states in those same TOUs that racist items are not acceptable. Bad taste could apply to a lot of items for people of many different viewpoints. There are some sellers who have soap that looks like dog shit. I bet some etsians find that to be awful but it doesn’t violate anything except their own standard of good taste.

    I do think it is sad that etsy does not make a statement because all they have to say is that the cards do not stand in violation, etc. That should be their standard response to any such controversy unless it is an item that does require removal.

  40. panda January 10, 2011 at 9:28 am #

    Someone upthread said that less offensive things have been removed by admin. What are they? I don’t spend any time in the forums and only know of a few times people have been reporting things en masse and I’ve never seen anything taken down. I’d like to know if they have set a precedent for something to be removed that isn’t covered in their rules.

  41. Buyer Only January 10, 2011 at 9:47 am #

    And em… you said “People who can’t respect the opinions of others are the idiots who got this seller on TV in the first place, JK. No, I don’t think the cards are funny, but I wouldn’t even know about this douchebag seller if the bloggers and boycotters hadn’t made a big fucking deal about it. This is exactly the problem. Just because most people think it’s unacceptable, they think their own opinions hold so much weight that they should be able to control others’ actions.”

    Alice Stokes Paul thought her opinion that women should vote held so much weight that she wanted to control the actions of others.

    And she did, with the Nineteenth Amendment. Dang her for making such a big deal out of it. I’d much rather be hiding in my basement smoking a cigarette while the men were holding every political office and dictating every law without the input of women, who weren’t allowed to have an opinion anyway.

    Every right and freedom you have today started with the opinion of one person. It’s not controlling the actions of others, it’s a call for action.

    Boycotts propagate change. If it wasn’t for the 1869 labor boycotts we all could be working 80 hours a week in deplorable, unsafe conditions.

    Opinions and boycotts are the foundation of freedom, my dear.

  42. Buyer Only January 10, 2011 at 9:55 am #

    Panda, years ago I remember a grenade (don’t recall if it was vintage or toy) stirred the ire of a lot of sellers, who called for its removal. It was on the front page. I think Etsy did remove it, at least from the front page. Maybe from the site. Not sure. Sellers were up in arms claiming that it was insentitive to veterans and sellers whose husbands/children were in the military and shouldn’t be allowed to be sold on Etsy.

  43. panda January 10, 2011 at 10:17 am #

    Hmm. There are pages of grenade items currently listed on etsy. Maybe it is policy to not put them on the front page though.

  44. em January 10, 2011 at 12:59 pm #

    It’s a bit of a stretch to compare the womens’ rights movement to tasteless humor cards, no?

    There are still people out there who think women shouldn’t vote and are objects to be controlled instead of equal human beings. While I don’t respect this particular view, I still respect their right to hold a different opinion on an issue than I.

  45. Christine January 10, 2011 at 1:19 pm #

    Detroit nobody seems confused to me regarding rights and freedom of speech. Most of us are saying that this seller absolutely has the right to make and sell these cards whether we find them offensive or not. I’m not confused about that at all. Etsy also has the right to keep these cards on their site. No confusion about that either.

    It’s a completely different argument whether Etsy should allow them or not and it’s not an argument I care to get into. Etsy can run their business how they see fit and it’s my right whether I shop there or not. Again, no confusion on my part.

    As for the idea that, going on this logic, Macy’s or any other retailer would HAVE to sell these cards, that’s ridiculous. Any other business has the right to market these cards or they have the right to say no thanks not for us and walk away.

  46. Artfire Seller January 10, 2011 at 3:53 pm #

    Well, there’s this discussion from Etsy’s forums regarding swastikas, flags, and other symbols:
    http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6174860&page=1

    This one: http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6169528&page=1

    This one (the OP had one sale and the shop is now empty): http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=6121184

    And then there’s this article from CNN Money in July 2009 with a small quote below this link: http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/13/smallbusiness/etsy_wars.fsb/

    “In June, for example, some Etsians posted forum comments complaining that Etsy had taken days to remove a listing for a handmade replica of a 1930s Nazi flag. Less than 30 minutes later, a site moderator shut down the topic thread.”

  47. Buyer Only January 10, 2011 at 8:43 pm #

    What a difference a year makes. Some of those sellers have completely contradicted themselves then vs now.

    What a joke.

  48. Midnight January 10, 2011 at 11:27 pm #

    It’s a piece of paper. It’s not a big deal. I think too much time and attention has been spent on this seller who before getting all this attention from one idiot calling for a boycott wasn’t even making sales. No one even knew they existed.

    If you really want to help victims of sexual assault go volunteer at a local organization because I assure you that having these cards removed are the least of victim’s worries and isn’t going to make a bit of difference in their recovery.

  49. sick of cupcakes January 11, 2011 at 3:41 am #

    Cupcakes have no brains, they just go with the flow.

    Detroit, I agree with everything you said.

  50. argh. January 12, 2011 at 7:40 am #

    I wish I could work at Etsy and just ban all non-vintage resellers all day and send them all messages referring them to Ebay.

  51. madmomma January 12, 2011 at 10:15 pm #

    Buyer Only said:
    What a difference a year makes. Some of those sellers have completely contradicted themselves then vs now.
    What a joke.
    ————

    I didn’t have a chance to read through all the pages of comments, nor compare whom said what and or if their opinions changed.

    I do believe it is fair to say that people do have the choice to change their minds. I have no problem with the fact that a person can change their mind and opinions, in fact I find many times people change and develop continually throughout their lives.

    It is OK to dislike something today and then tomorrow change your mind and decide you now like it. Wouldn’t you agree that change can equal growth, or it could be the opposite. Either way, I don’t think there is anything wrong with it.

  52. Buyer Only January 13, 2011 at 9:31 am #

    Yes Madonna. We’ve noticed that with you.

  53. madmomma January 13, 2011 at 5:29 pm #

    Buyer Only
    Yes Madonna. We’ve noticed that with you.
    __________________

    so you have never changed your mind about anything?
    hmmm…

    didn’t think so.

  54. Buyer Only January 13, 2011 at 7:12 pm #

    Change my mind? On serious social issues? No ma’m.
    Especially in the course of oh… say… 5 minutes.

  55. madmomma January 14, 2011 at 9:35 am #

    Celebrate the goodness in change!

    From the Etsy Blog:

    “A few items listed in a couple of Etsy shops recently sparked an intense debate about what kinds of items should and shouldn’t be allowed on Etsy. I won’t go into the details of the items, but they clearly denigrated women and people with some disabilities. When some concerned members brought the items to our attention, we generally agreed that they didn’t feel like they were in the spirit of Etsy and our community. But they also didn’t directly violate our policies. So we did what we felt was right. We allowed the items to remain on Etsy and we took a cold, hard look at our policies.

    Our policies have prohibited disparaging or promoting hate against people based on race or religion for quite a long time. But they never covered gender, people with disabilities, or sexual orientation. We are changing that — and a few other policies — effective now.”

  56. youstupidbitch January 14, 2011 at 11:23 am #

    Some people did apply lots of pressure on Etsy, and they changed their policies. My store is changed on Etsy to reflect those changes.

    My website at http://www.youstupidbitch.com still contains all the original cards for those that like them and want to purchase. No policy against any of these cards on my personal website 🙂

  57. EtsyDontCare January 14, 2011 at 1:19 pm #

    lol way to plug yourself youstupidbitch! Maybe CNN has a blog too that would be the place to go 🙂

  58. EtsyDontCare January 14, 2011 at 1:21 pm #

    oh should add you got about 12 minutes left of your 15 of fame

  59. youstupidbitch January 14, 2011 at 1:23 pm #

    press comes, press goes. i’ve had my fair share. cnn might have been the first place you’ve heard about it, but the site has gotten lots of traffic and exposure from other venues.

  60. madmomma January 14, 2011 at 1:27 pm #

    Buyer Only
    Change my mind? On serious social issues? No ma’m.
    Especially in the course of oh… say… 5 minutes.
    _________________
    Well, I hope you don’t get “too” upset that Etsy changed their stance on this issue. As I said before, change can be a good and I don’t see change as a bad thing. 🙂

  61. EtsyDontCare January 14, 2011 at 1:38 pm #

    Honestly are some of your cards are rather funny. Some are offensive IMHO.

    I think you will do well after the people forget the offensive or maybe you will do better with the offensive on your website. I looked at your new cleaned up shop on Etsy and they are good humorous cards that I doubt will get much objection. As a shop owner I would be hesitant to ever purchase any as I wouldn’t want it in my feedback. Good luck with your sales!

    I think Etsy did a good thing by changing it’s TOU if only they would get rid of the “collective” and “resellers” because most are one in the same.

  62. PussDaddy January 15, 2011 at 7:31 pm #

    First amendment, first amendment blah blah blah. Yeah, sure, the first amendment protects this idiots rights to make this crap. I’m all for the first amendment. The first amendment doesn’t force you to like crap or prevent you from voicing your own dislike of it either though.

  63. mfj January 23, 2011 at 5:22 pm #

    No wonder it took so long to act. Etsy employees are spending money in that shop.

    http://www.etsy.com/people/youstupidbitch/feedback?page=2

    http://www.etsy.com/people/twokb

    un-fucking-believable.

  64. Joyce February 7, 2011 at 10:59 am #

    Etsy has given “lip service” to a new prohibited items policy. When this site was reported they said they need to look into it. What?! What part of hate doesn’t Etsy get? Just read the profile for this shop and read the items for sale. If this was an attack on Muslims the shop owner would have to be afraid for his life, but it is alright to attack Jesus I guess.

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/UCLB?ref=seller_info#

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