birdzNbeez

26 Mar

Etsy seller http://www.etsy.com/shop/birdzNbeez

Someone I once respected but has turned into a major offender of marking things as “vintage” and reselling items straight from Ebay.

Items marked vintage: (these are just a few, she’s got several pages of false vintage items)

http://www.etsy.com/listing/68856501/victorian-celtic-trillium

http://www.etsy.com/listing/70271508/roses-locket

http://www.etsy.com/listing/70678449/queen-bee-pocket-watch-locket

Directly purchased from Ebay and reselling:

birdznbeez listing:
http://www.etsy.com/listing/70834732/bronze-owl-pocketwatch?ga_search_query=watch&ga_search_type=user_shop_ttt_id_5213665

Ebay product:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Copper-OWL-Quartz-Pocket-Watch-Necklace-SAG-/300540884333?pt=Pocket_Watches&hash=item45f9a1f56d

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Lady-Women-Necklace-watch-Quartz-Night-Owl-T274-/270725048208?pt=AU_Watches&hash=item3f08786790

birdznbeez:

http://www.etsy.com/listing/70608452/facets-of-the-heart?ga_search_query=watch&ga_search_type=user_shop_ttt_id_5213665

Exact item on Ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/UNIQUE-Vintage-Heart-Flower-Pocket-Watch-Necklace-180-/220756671539?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item79146b7532

That’s actually a two for one! Listed as BOTH handmade and vintage.

birdznbeez:

http://www.etsy.com/listing/69992842/victorian-looking-glass-petite-pocket?ga_search_query=watch&ga_search_type=user_shop_ttt_id_5213665

Direct from Ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/White-Dial-Bronze-Glass-Chain-Pocket-Lady-Quartz-Watch-/320675727407?pt=Pocket_Watches&hash=item4aa9c3482f

Is it Etsy’s new rule that if you have SOME authentic items it’s okay to sprinkle in some reselling and lying about items being vintage which clearly are not?

Some sellers just have no morals!

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22 Responses to “birdzNbeez”

  1. Life During Wartime March 26, 2011 at 6:26 pm #

    There is nothing vintage in this shop.

    Unfortunately, any item can have the word ‘vintage’ as a tag even if there is no connection (not old, not made with vintage supplies, not a repurposed item, not even a copy of an old style). Same goes for words like: antique, victorian, midcentury modern, mod, industrial, rustic, or any decade (like 1950s). Etsy doesn’t care what tags you use. You can even call your item ‘vintage’ in the title when it is brand new, because you made it.

    I didn’t click on every item, but all the ones I saw had ‘jewelry’ as the first tag. It’s just about impossible to prove that shops like this purchased a completed necklace, rather than hanging a pendant on a chain (considered assembled, and Etsy legal) or otherwise combining jewelry components to make the same pieces found on Ebay and other sites. Because the wholesalers selling the finished pieces also offer the components (charms, watches, chains), and there is a huge market on Etsy for items made from exactly the same pieces but sold in different shops.

  2. jac March 26, 2011 at 8:37 pm #

    What is it with the birds, owls, octopus and other animal charms that people keep marking as handmade which you can buy all over. I know that it is okay with Etsy if you just put a chain on a charm, but it is hard to tell now that ebay and amazon are selling these same items with the chain attached. How can a buyer tell and how would Etsy be able to tell. This is a major problem.

  3. Meh March 27, 2011 at 12:40 am #

    Ugh! I HATE people like this. And I can bet my BOOBS that this chick will get a pass. Etsy favors way too many sellers that helps THEM rake in the dough. Idiots.
    I am seriously done with buying and selling from etsy. Not that one person will make a different to their sales, but I hope others follow and realize it’s nothing but commercial crap selling now. That is making etsy FAIL. Bring on another site that is strict on selling handmade and vintage ONLY items! I’ll sign up within moments of it opening. 😉

  4. Yaya March 27, 2011 at 5:26 am #

    Artfire was supposed to be that but they have the same issues.

  5. PussDaddy March 27, 2011 at 6:11 am #

    It’s a shame she has so many sales.

  6. Dee March 27, 2011 at 12:20 pm #

    Wow, looking at the heart necklace, I can buy it on ebay for $6.25 or $19 in her shop. So feakin sad. Jewelry sellers just can’t compete against this.

    But how is etsy to know whether this is handmade or not? The charm on a chain is so hard to decipher whether it is an individual doing this, collective, or a factory.

  7. Velamint March 27, 2011 at 2:33 pm #

    “Unfortunately, any item can have the word ‘vintage’ as a tag even if there is no connection”

    Actually there is a rule that forbids that. In the Dos & Don’ts: “Only use accurate and relevant tags that describe the specific item for sale in your listing.”
    Unless I’m misreading it, that would exclude “vintage” as a tag for these, although “vintage style” might squeak by. (But search splits multi-word tags, so that’s still a problem.) Of course Etsy does not enforce the rule anyway, so it’s as if there IS no rule.

    You are absolutely right about the title. Etsy’s only rule about the content of titles forbids “mature, profane and/or racist language”. (Search also treats all title words as tags, so, problem again.)

  8. Fake March 27, 2011 at 3:23 pm #

    Hasn’t this shop been called out before? I did a search of the site and nothing came up, but I could’ve sworn I’ve seen this shop posted here before. Maybe I’m just getting old – still worthy of a call out again.

  9. Fake March 27, 2011 at 3:26 pm #

    Is there any evidence of this seller purchasing from this ebay shop? Evidence that could be passed on to the darlings at Etsy, not that the shop will get closed or anything.

  10. Life During Wartime March 27, 2011 at 3:53 pm #

    Velamint, yeah I know about the Etsy rules. But it’s no secret that you can tag with any words you please. How is a pair of handmade earrings (crystal and sterling silver) ‘rustic’? What makes an item ‘farmhouse’ if it isn’t animal or crop related, or isn’t related to farmwork? Only farm families drink out of glass tumblers or use potholders? Really? Tagging like this is BS. What about all the stuff tagged as ‘French’ that is made in the USA from Chinese supplies but has no text or images that have anything to do with France?

  11. oneangrybird March 27, 2011 at 6:02 pm #

    Never could figure out how anyone wouldn’t know reseller jewelry from true handmade jewelry…but I am a jewelry designer -duh!

    Just had someone favorite a piece of my jewelry on Etsy and I decided to check out her shop – clothing designer from “over there”(don’t want to call out in case I am full off crap)….
    anyway – cool stuff – liked several things – gauzey white bohemian tunic thingy with all of this colorful embroidery on top – not a close up photo but enough to see that it was a lot of work and it got me thinkin…

    $29.00 USD for hand embroidered? By “hand” they claim? No way – right – that would take a long time to do, true?

    So I feel really bad, I refuse to buy any clothing from “over there” sellers because so many are resellers. Given that my experience with a sewing machine and or embroidery is akin to outerspace travel, I have no idea what to look for besides the obvious lack of detail in profile, etc.

    THIS – must be what some feel like with jewelry buying, and it makes me so sad and frustrated for all of us legitimate designers!

  12. oneangrybird March 27, 2011 at 6:13 pm #

    Fairly new to Etsy – but long time seller on other venues…

    been looking at the Front Page a lot and found Craftopia or some name like that from the forums where you can check this stuff…

    what is up with the raceytay seller??? and why has their/her shop been featured on the front page 12 times in the past 3 days????

    there are others too that keep showing up- some twice a day?

    Asking here because didn’t no where else to – if this is no-no – sorry!!!

  13. sickofetsy March 27, 2011 at 6:20 pm #

    Angrybird, there are always the same damn sellers on the fp every day. I’ve given up caring.

    birdzNbeez does sound familiar. hmmmmmmm

  14. oneangrybird March 27, 2011 at 6:28 pm #

    OMG – I just went back and added up the front page features raceytay has had since Jan 1!!!!!!

    167 – yes, one hundred sixty seven times she has been on the front page this year thus far!!! 3months

    wow….ok, I got nothin’…. except I smell a rat, and there seems to be a whole damn herd of rats on Etsy! WTF????

  15. Whisperia March 27, 2011 at 7:19 pm #

    @oneangrybird…

    The more treasuries a seller is featured in, the greater the chance of being featured on the front page. There are theories around that there are groups of sellers who create treasuries just to promote each other’s stuff and get their own stuff promoted.

    Also, there was (is?) actually a service that a seller could pay for. (I don’t remember the website, but there was a post about it a while back at Etsy Bitch.) It had been suspended while they checked with Etsy to find out if it went against the TOU, but a seller could pay this third party to feature their items in treasuries, essentially making it paid advertising. Which may or may not go against the specific language of the TOU, but certainly goes against the spirit of what Etsy pretends they still represent and what the treasuries were designed for.

    There are also theories that the Etsy admin who choose the treasuries to feature on the front page intentionally choose ones with sellers who are personal favourites to promote. (No idea how true that might be, but it wouldn’t shock me in the least if it were. I don’t believe that every Etsy employee is a lying, unethical douchebag, but they clearly have some of those floating around.)

    Incidentally, before anyone thinks that the above is sour grapes over not getting featured… I’m not a seller. Just a bored and frustrated buyer who is tired of seeing the same BS on the FP over and over and over again.

  16. curious March 27, 2011 at 9:02 pm #

    How can I find out how many times a seller has been on the FP?

  17. oneangrybird March 28, 2011 at 10:51 am #

    Curious,

    Go to http://www.craftcult.com and use their Vault feature by member and type in the seller shop name.

    Very interesting stuff.

  18. oneangrybird March 28, 2011 at 10:56 am #

    Whisperia,

    Well, I for one have a case of sour grapes! Unfortunately, it appears I had better just get over it since from what I have seen ‘it is what it is’.

    I’m all for the investigating though and I am going to continue analyzing this snafu just for fun since I am a total masochist.

  19. Trista March 28, 2011 at 6:02 pm #

    I’ve heard people in the forums say that certain teams make the FP quite often, but of course no one is allowed to “call out” who it is there. Can anyone tell me the names of any specific teams that seem to be Etsy favorites?

  20. Trista March 28, 2011 at 6:06 pm #

    Oh, nevermind, I see “TeamX” is mentioned in the very next post. Duh… sorry.

  21. uh-huh March 29, 2011 at 5:40 am #

    “Curation Nation” is another team full of favs that etsy chooses from

  22. Lori February 21, 2012 at 11:19 am #

    Unfortunately Birdznbeez is the number one jewelry seller on Etsy. Doubt her shop will get shut down. I don’t understand how buyers can be so naive. She says she every one of her items is unique and handmade but there is no way one person can make stuff at the rate she does. Plus, it is obvious the items are store bought. I just don’t get it. Yes, this is definitely sour grapes on my part.

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