TheBagOutlet, AnnalisJewelry

7 May

TheBagOutlet
http://www.etsy.com/listing/66401481/brown-leather-handle-canvas-satchel

http://www.toteandbag.com/1_23/new-brown-leather-handle-canvas-gym-travel-duffle-bag.html
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The listing by annalis jewelry is titled and tagged as Turquoise with a statement in the listing about the attributes of the Turquoise Stone! This necklace is made with Howlite – this is not Turquoise in any way or fashion. Howlite is a prolific rock/stone that is mined and dyed to resemble Turquoise. It has no holistic properties! She notes that it IS Howlite Turquoise – which is wrong – it is Howlite dyed a turquoise blue. To the average person shopping on Etsy the info she provided is seriously deceiving. This seller is either ignorant or deliberating trying to fool folks.
 Shame on her….
 
Additionally she has titled the listing as December birthstone and a holiday sale. In addition to being totally false (Howlite is no months birthsatone), this looks tacky given it is April/May.
 
I understand that Etsy is not juried but blatant fiction likes this hurts other sellers regardless of whether Etsy cares or not.
So sad….
 
This shop is frequently seen on the FP as a curator and shop.
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22 Responses to “TheBagOutlet, AnnalisJewelry”

  1. Life During Wartime May 7, 2011 at 9:26 am #

    I don’t usually use gemstones in the jewelry I make (for myself), but aren’t there regulations prohibiting jewelers and sellers of jewelry making supplies from misrepresenting one stone as another, more valuable, one? And don’t you also have to disclose any kind of enhancement, such as dying, that was used to give the stone an appearance of better quality? Even if you don’t dye the stone yourself, your supplier must disclose and so must you?

  2. Trista May 7, 2011 at 9:39 am #

    Reported TheBagOutlet.

    I took it that AnnalisJewelry calls it turquoise because of the color. She clearly says that it’s Howlite so I don’t think there’s intentional deceit just poor wording. I’m not a jewelery maker and I know absolutely nothing about stones so if I’m doing a search I don’t search by the names of stones or beads, I just search “turquoise necklace” looking for something that color.

    And turquoise (the color) is the December birthstone.

  3. Life During Wartime May 7, 2011 at 10:31 am #

    No, Trista, birthstones are about the STONE, not the COLOR. Dyed Howlite is not the birthstone for December. You could sell jewelry with poor quality turquoise that is mostly muddy looking, and that would be a true December birthstone.

    If you are thinking of the Etsy ass-trology promotions (as distinguished from Astrology), the signs have both gemstones AND different colors traditionally attributed to them.

  4. jewellover May 7, 2011 at 12:10 pm #

    Wait, isn’t Etsy just a venue for individual people to sell their items? Why is their responsibility to police sellers who use terms like this in their listings? She is referring to the color, and clearly states the stone. Are you guys really that bored that you dedicate a blog to this?

  5. oneangrybird May 7, 2011 at 12:35 pm #

    LDW – yes, that is my understanding also.

    I know Etsy doesn’t “police” any of this and it is too bad because there is a lot of inaccurate gemstone info in listings.

    I see she is referring to the color but clearly the title states it as Turquoise birthstone – this looks like it is supposed to be a real gemstone to me?

    Plus she talks about the metaphysical properties of gemstones, and Turquoise in specific? The last I heard colors don’t have any metaphysical properties.

    As a “jewellover” I would think you would be curious as to whether you are buying a real gemstone or dyed rocks 🙂
    Just like faux antiques – I am serious about buying and selling REAL gemstones/jewelry! Of course I have no problem with jewelry made from things other than gemstones – I just want it all to represented accurately.

  6. Gina May 7, 2011 at 3:29 pm #

    It’s called a “trade name” and unfortunately, it is totally legal to call any substance by any rock name one wants! I could go out, pick up a piece of gravel, (or a piece of glass in the road) and list it as opal, and I’d be well within the law! If anyone questions me, I only need say “that’s my trade name for that substance” & I can not be punished legally!
    It’s the fucks, but it’s life! There will always be loopholes and the cheaters will find them!! As every other purchase, locally or on-line, “Buyer Beware”! If you don’t KNOW the stone you are buying, go research it first, ask lots of questions about the stone’s origins. If necessary, challenge the supplier! I’ve done it twice with a “MAJOR” beads/stones/supplies seller and been right! The last challenge saw them changing their site and catalogues to reflect my well-thought-out explanation & reasoning! I laid it all out for the rep. when I called: a Tektite is not a piece of a meteorite, it is melted earth from a meteorite strike! It is glass, easily tested by looking at a chip thereof as it will be in an arched shape. Meteorites, on the other hand, are always metal in origin and highly magnetic…etc. (& BTW, now I know how I got misled in the first place!) A supplier who is willing to learn and change their mind or documentation, is a supplier to trust! If, however, the supplier gets pissy, that you dare question their integrity, RUN! Don’t walk, run away! Aggressiveness is a sign that they are hiding something!!!
    Etsy ain’t gonna do fuckall, we already know that, so do something yourself! Educate YOUR customers to know what the fakes are, how to tell the real stone from the fakes, how to question the stone’s true origin, and in the end, to only buy from those they trust! I have often contacted the erring seller, gently told them about the “trade names” scam, & gave them as much information as I have, including links, about the stone in question. I am quick to blame their supplier for the lie, and tell how it’s totally “legal” for their supplier to do so. I understand that USUALLY the seller is just using the name that their supplier told them, trusting the supplier implicitly to give them the correct identity of the stone, and isn’t even aware of the fraud. Most of the time the sellers are grateful… some times I’m told to “mindyourownfuckingbusiness”, but not often any more, perhaps I’ve learned to be tactful about it. 🙂

  7. Life During Wartime May 7, 2011 at 3:40 pm #

    Another non-vetted treasury makes the front page!

    This item is a ‘reborn’ (read:altered) vintage piece, listed as Vintage:
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/65461767/medicine-cabinet-vintage-reborn?ref=fp_treasury_4

    Fauxtique!

  8. Fake May 7, 2011 at 4:00 pm #

    Another non-vetted treasury makes the front page!

    This item is a ‘reborn’ (read:altered) vintage piece, listed as Vintage:
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/65461767/medicine-cabinet-vintage-reborn?ref=fp_treasury_4

    Fauxtique!
    ____________________________

    The shop selling the ‘fauxtique medicine cabinet’ is the type of shop that rattles my chain. The shop has 8 items for sale (not even a full page of items/goods) and gets picked for the front page. Meanwhile other Etsy shops are struggling to keep fully stocked shops and are renewing etc. – like good little Etsyians following the seller tips dished by Danielle xo and they never see the front page!

  9. oneangrybird May 7, 2011 at 4:40 pm #

    Actually it is a lot more serious to misrepresent gemstones etc online – this has been the case since the early 2000’s.

    http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus34-loupe-advertising-diamonds-gemstones-and-pearls

    Now, of course most people will probably not turn you into the FTC for misrepresenting something but the rule of thumb is not one of “Buyer Beware”.

    It is the seller’s responsibility and obligation to the public to accurately and honestly disclose all info about gemstone jewelry.

  10. Gina May 7, 2011 at 5:57 pm #

    Diamonds? Yes, they have a regulatory body. Gemstones? Good fucking luck getting any one to do anything about it!
    This has been going on for YEARS, big companies and small. Ain’t no one stepped in to stop it yet!

  11. Gina May 7, 2011 at 5:59 pm #

    “It is the seller’s responsibility and obligation to the public to accurately and honestly disclose all info about gemstone jewelry”
    Those are “our” ethics. Sadly, most of the world do not adhere to these ethics…or any ethics! Nothing is more important to most humans than getting something great for absolutely nothing!

  12. etsyhate May 9, 2011 at 8:07 am #

    This shop: http://www.etsy.com/shop/illkniterate is PDFs listed in the vintage category. I am getting so frustrated with everything in the wrong categories.

  13. Fake May 9, 2011 at 9:50 am #

    etsyhate: I think I’d be more worried about the pdf’s as they look to be a scanned version of a original vintage pattern.

  14. sickofetsy May 9, 2011 at 7:09 pm #

    Gina, just because every asshole seller does mislead their customers and never gets called on it doesn’t make it right.

  15. Gina May 9, 2011 at 7:27 pm #

    Hehe! I never said it was right, I said it was legal. Or at least half-assed legal!
    I”m totally against this trend…but it is going to happen. Educate yourself and your customers so they know it happens so they can make their choice. 🙂

  16. jewelry friend May 10, 2011 at 11:06 am #

    I read this blog often but barely ever comment. But today I found a shop (kind of related to this post actually) where the owner is just blatantly lying about their materials.

    It angers me greatly when people lie about using stones that are really glass, it is so dishonest and greedy, so I decided I needed to post this seller here.

    Note: all their ‘precious stones’ are actually glass. I have seen several suppliers on Etsy who actually sell these findings and describe them as such (GLASS).

    On top of calling their glass “stone”, much of this shop’s “sterling silver” is actually silver plated and the “14kt gold plate” just gold plated brass.

    pretty good example: http://www.etsy.com/listing/72557365/hanna-amethystperidot-earringsgold

    Whole shop.
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/HazelBranchJewellery?page=1

    Thanks for taking a look. this just makes me so agitated.

    P.S. Here is ANOTHER seller who’s doing it.. have you ever seen “quartz” in so many varieties? (even Opaque?)

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/ThePeachTree/search?search_query=quartz&search_type=user_shop_ttt_id_5233507&shopname=ThePeachTree

  17. oneangrybird May 11, 2011 at 9:11 am #

    jewelry friend…. yes, what a bunch of crap in hazels shop!

    She is so inconsistent in her listings and tagging it is pitiful!

    I agree this makes me nuts too!

  18. Cindy May 11, 2011 at 12:48 pm #

    I really think this is unfair. It is one thing to attempt to out resellers but you have crossed the line here. I know Annali and she is an ethical and hard working woman. To put her into this category is a disgrace and shows a lack of credibility of this site.

    PS…it might also not have crossed your mind but Annali is Israeli. There is a language barrier here as well. How obnoxious of you people to feel that English is everyones first language. Shame on you and shame on this site. Try doing your homework first before calling out people and destroying the reputation of an innocent person!

  19. oneangrybird May 11, 2011 at 1:31 pm #

    Unfortunately misrepresentation in the jewelry/gemstone field affects everyone, regardless of language barriers.

    This person didn’t have any problems communicating the metaphysical properties of Turquoise – the problem is Howlite is not Turquoise in any language. There is nothing to indicate that a language barrier is the issue.

    She most likely is not very informed of gemstones. This is a disservice to her customers and hurts all jewelry makers on Etsy.

    If Etsy wants to stay reputable & credible and I doubt it will if this kind of crap continues, they need to get on the ball and monitor at least what is being featured on the first page.

    If I were Annali’s Etsy acquaintance I would have alerted her to the error a long time ago.

    Hardworking serves nothing and no one if you are not knowledgeable in your field/work, sorry!

  20. Gina May 11, 2011 at 5:52 pm #

    Lots of people from China are KNOWINGLY doing the same thing…and from America…and from Canada!! Honey we are in no way slamming just ONE seller, it is the entire trend we are hoping to slam…because it will destroy the entire trade, has indeed, destroyed the trade for many of us honest folk! Because the more times a consumer is sold a lie, the worse they are going to think of all of us who sell stone jewellery!!
    Do you ever get those folded ads in with your credit card bill, or magazine bill? Those ads for “Jade” or “Sunstone” jewellery set in “sterling silver plate”? Those are BIG companies, they know what they are doing, and they are knowingly lying about the glass shit they are putting in those brass settings!

  21. oneangrybird May 12, 2011 at 8:31 am #

    I tried to find a rubber band to snap in my eyeball while beating my head against an antique $25.00 brick when I read the latest Nordstrom catalog….

    They had “Cherry Quartz” and other “Beautiful” (cough) gemstone quartz earrings and if I remember correctly, were actually touting Quartz for it’s naturalness or holistic properties….. WTF?????

    Additionally, they had Chalcedony that was obviously dyed with no mention of said treatment.

    I thought everyone knew about Cherry Quartz at this point???

  22. diana October 1, 2011 at 10:17 pm #

    WOW!!! She must be doing something right to awake so much hate! it fairly dreeps from the screen!
    get a grip, ladies. you are not – definitly – showing any class at all.
    who the heck CARES about stones?

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