elysianorganics

30 May

elysianorganics have copied prunellasoap on photo composition, items, and even descriptions –

description stealing:
EO: http://www.etsy.com/listing/74606629/choose-any-5-bars-of-soap-organic-vegan
Prunella: http://www.etsy.com/listing/57486275/choose-any-5-bars-of-soap-vegan-organic

photo idea stealing:
EO: http://www.etsy.com/listing/74694224/twelve-12-sample-bars-you-choose-organic
Prunella:http://www.etsy.com/listing/62766161/some-of-each-please-12-soap-samples

EO: http://www.etsy.com/listing/74692505/six-6-sample-bars-you-choose-organic
Prunella: http://www.etsy.com/listing/63445032/choose-any-6-guest-bars-vegan-organic

and seriously? the small plants and the toy animals? there’s *no* way that’s a coincidence.

EO mentions in their shop announcement that they’ve just opened May 23rd….because the previous incarnation of their shop was knits….including photos that were blatantly stolen from others:
see blog post here with comment from the original photographer: http://www.beckleecottagedesigns.com/etsy-3/tuesday-feature-elysian-organics
and her book: http://www.amazon.com/Easy-Baby-Knits-Accessories-Year-olds/dp/1845973550/ref%3Dsr_1_1%3Fie%3DUTF8%26qid%3D1306295497%26sr%3D8-1

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224 Responses to “elysianorganics”

  1. AJ May 30, 2011 at 5:03 pm #

    Hmmm, not sure if calling out for photo “idea” stealing is legit. There is nothing new under the sun, seriously. IfI had to make a list of the shops using small toys in their images, it would be a mile long, and herbs?? Really? Is this not herb based soap? I KNOW calling out on Etsy is damn near impossible and always gets shut down (and don’t get me started on all the shady resellers) but lets just remember there is a fine line between copying and inspiration.

  2. etsycallout May 30, 2011 at 5:34 pm #

    I think the callout is also about copying text and them also being called out by the photographer themselves.

  3. K May 30, 2011 at 5:50 pm #

    If it weren’t for the copy and pasting Prunella’s descriptions and titles I *might* believe it was merely inspiration. But copying the text shows she lacks any sort of integrity.
    Not that a reseller has any to begin with. Here’s where she buys her soap.
    http://www.naturalsoapwholesale.com/Wholesale-Natural-Soap-Loaves_c_28.html

  4. you suck May 30, 2011 at 6:42 pm #

    I think if you search a lot of those fragrance combos on Etsy you will find them matching up to the wholesaler soap maker. shame shame shame!!

  5. AGT May 30, 2011 at 6:43 pm #

    I reported her to the author of that baby knits book. Here was my letter and below was her response. FYI, the blog interview has been taken down , but the comments are still there, and quite ‘eye-opening!”

    Hi,

    I sell on etsy and have recently come across a seller who is directly copying another seller. Through some research, I’ve discovered that this woman used to sell baby knits, and used your images in her listings and even in a blog she was interviewed for. This is her current shop. Look under her sales and you will find your images.http://www.etsy.com/shop/ElysianOrganics here is one of her sales: http://www.etsy.com/transaction/43655827 And here is the blog interview she posted your images in: http://www.beckleecottagedesigns.com/etsy-3/tuesday-feature-elysian-organics

    Very shady character. thought you should be aware.
    ——————-

    Her response:

    Thanks so much for letting me know!!
    I have left a comment on the interview – here’s hoping they take them down, as the pictures are not even my copywrite, but the publishers.

    Kind regards
    Claire

  6. elizabeth May 30, 2011 at 6:47 pm #

    Might as well just buy the soap directly from the wholesaler at only 1.80 a bar vs 6.25 a bar. I had no idea that we’d have to watch out for soap sellers on etsy reselling.
    It kind of makes me want to open a soap shop, seeing as how I wouldn’t even have to make the stuff!

  7. Kick The Can May 30, 2011 at 8:16 pm #

    No, I had no idea that handmade soap could be purchased wholesale like that and re-sold. That is a serious disappointment.

  8. adoringhag May 30, 2011 at 8:55 pm #

    I buy less and less on etsy these days…. hmm… wonder why.

  9. A May 31, 2011 at 3:00 am #

    I’m a soap seller on Etsy and I’m sick over this soap reselling thing. Some friends and I researched all day yesterday and uncovered 45 (45!!) shops buying wholesale and reselling from 5 different wholesale sites. More sites are out there, and shops have gotten creative in renaming, so I expect this number to grow exponentially. How can you protect yourself from this fraud (which is very much against Etsy TOU, I might add)? Look for process notes in the info sections of the shop, look for process photos on connected blogs, and if you have doubt, Google obscure scent names and compare color and ingredients with what you find, then compare the other scents on the menus. We’ll keep working to uncover as many as we can, and when we’re satisfied, we’ll report a list to ECO. This is soapgate, people!

  10. you suck May 31, 2011 at 3:49 am #

    I buy from a few trusted soap sellers where I’ve seen through blogs etc their process and their actual craft. Would never purchase from some random for obvious reasons.

  11. joybells May 31, 2011 at 4:49 am #

    The whole shop is a sham…buying wholesale soap, copying listing word for word and staging photos exactly like another shop. Boy, this is pathetic. And, they’re making money. This is total crap!

  12. DB May 31, 2011 at 5:02 am #

    I think the photos were just icing on the stolen description cake. But I also don’t think that the photos could be considered “inspiration.” But that’s neither here nor there.

    And NOW – the ordeal about them getting their soap from the wholesale shop?

    “We are constantly striving to re-invent our products and ideas. With each season that passes us by, we try and keep things fresh and interesting, both in our relationships and in our products.”

    …..because you keep getting called on your crap?

    Ridiculous.

  13. em May 31, 2011 at 7:17 am #

    wow… just, wow. lol. I don’t really know what to say.

  14. Dee May 31, 2011 at 7:47 am #

    Let’s see… she copied another site’s photo techniques. She bought the soaps wholesales. She didn’t bother changing the names of the soaps. Doesn’t sound like someone with an ounce of creativity to call her own. Just another slick scammer trying to get over on honest folks. The whole thought of this shit just sickens me.

  15. Life During Wartime May 31, 2011 at 8:43 am #

    This callout’s like a total package RESELLER, where every little thing is copied from some other source.

    I know nothing about handmade soap, but I can believe there are dozens of soap resellers active on Etsy. All the categories are heavily infested.

  16. oneangrybird May 31, 2011 at 9:16 am #

    Most of her listings are gone now thank goodness!

    I recently purchased some supposed fragrance from an Etsy seller and I even asked her if she made the fragrances herself. After I received it I realized it smelled just like a purchased soap/candle fragrance I am familiar with from Brambleberry Supplies! It was the Grass scent – I would know it anywhere- of course this seller said she made it! Not sure how to prove she just bought it and re-poured it into bottles…

    Now we have soap resellers – so sad!

  17. JW May 31, 2011 at 11:29 am #

    Elysian seems to have been taken down now, we hope. But, they are also http://www.etsy.com/shop/mtheoryclothing, which is also full of violations on their “unique, one of a kind items”.

  18. TF May 31, 2011 at 11:37 am #

    Sadly, they are NOT gone.

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/ElysianOrganics

  19. hagwithmorals May 31, 2011 at 11:38 am #

    I really hope the list of soap resellers will be published here. I’m not buying another bar of soap from Etsy until I see it. This is so disgusting. I always felt bath and body sellers were pretty safe to buy from but not anymore.

  20. A May 31, 2011 at 12:04 pm #

    Scenting and bottling carrier oil blends with supplied fragrances isn’t reselling, even Brambleberry gets all of their fragrances from fragrance houses. All they do is make requests for certain notes to be blended together. It’s not possible for the common soap shop to run a full-on fragrance lab, give me a break. That’s reserved for a city literally built of fragrance factories in New Jersey. What WE do is blend supplied scents and use them to scent product. The scent itself isn’t the product.

  21. oneangrybird May 31, 2011 at 1:23 pm #

    ~A

    The scent I received was sold to me as a shop blended fragrance oil to wear… a perfume. It was listed as handmade! The shop owner said she MADE it!

    What I received was an oil that was blended at Brambleberry, it is a single note fragrance called Grass Stain. It is sold to scent soap and candles.

    If this shop wants to sell Fragrance Oils blended by someone else they should list them as supplies and disclose the manufacturer. It should be listed on Etsy as a SUPPLY. If someone outright asks them if they themselves custom blended the fragrance they shouldn’t lie.

    Soap shops on Etsy that do not have the facility or means to manufacture their own custom blended oils shouldn’t be allowed to claim such.
    Do you realize that a custom blended fragrance is done with essential oils mixed into a carrier oil? Very easy to acquire all of the ingredients needed for that – the problem is having the nose to combine many oils to achieve a unique scent… most soap makers are not perfumers.

    So if you can’t do that stick to your melt and pour and GIVE ME A BREAK!

  22. oneangrybird May 31, 2011 at 1:25 pm #

    So they are back???
    hmmm – now this has really irritated me and given me a new focus!

    Off to scour soap shops and make some stink!

    Gawd how I hate cheaters!!!

  23. you suck May 31, 2011 at 2:17 pm #

    They are back probably after sending Etsy some fake photos of a soap workshop.

  24. iona May 31, 2011 at 2:48 pm #

    Me too. The two elysian shops are full of the worst kinds of things on etsy. The clothes photos look full of fake images pasted onto shirts, and a lot of trademark violations. I wonder if Apple knows about this shop becasue they hate this stuff. The soap shop is pathetic. Don’t know how these people can sleep at night. I’m glad this shop got called out here.

    Anyone else see the treasury Project Treasury made to attack elysian soaps? Many of the team commented in it. The curator deleted it after a few minutes but it was screen captured and sent to the etsy admins by several people. I’ve been getting it emailed to me all day. It’s embarrassing to even read the comments.

  25. A May 31, 2011 at 2:57 pm #

    You’re confusing fragrance oils with perfume oils. What you bought was a perfume oil which was a carrier oil SCENTED with a fragrance oil, just like any other perfume on Etsy. Fragrance oils can’t be used on skin undiluted.

  26. A May 31, 2011 at 3:01 pm #

    Also, no, the scent of fresh cut grass cannot be attained by blending essential oils. It can only be achieved as a synthetic, just like many other scents.

  27. DB May 31, 2011 at 3:07 pm #

    Yep, looks like they’re back. Apparently Etsy allowed them back on after they proved they were for real. What proof, is what I want to know!

  28. Pox May 31, 2011 at 4:27 pm #

    On top of copying, reselling and being all-around sleazebags, they are also tag stuffing like crazy

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/74692505/six-6-sample-bars-you-choose-organic

    “Bath and Beauty Soap Vegan spa shea butter spring summer fall winter rustic earthy men women unisex dark light brown orange citrus beach ocean ivory neutral succulent muslin bag 16findsteam designerteam statteeam teamb”

    It’s like the lyrics to a James Taylor song

  29. etsyhate May 31, 2011 at 6:14 pm #

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/75169006/20s-flapper-fringe-mini-dress

    What’s up with this shop? I know nothing about vintage clothing, but something seems off about them. That dress can’t really be 1920s, can it?

  30. EtsyVigilante May 31, 2011 at 6:26 pm #

    Seller states that the flapper dress has label “Racheal M”. Don’t know – doesn’t sound like 1920’s. Also wonder if zipper is newer

  31. EtsyVigilante May 31, 2011 at 6:42 pm #

    Here’s the link to her website. Don’t think this “20’s flapper dress” is even vintage https://rumors.myshopify.com/collections/womens-dresses/products/red-flapper-cocktail-dress

  32. Kick The Can May 31, 2011 at 6:46 pm #

    Now that dress says “Reproduction” and 1920’s “style”. Still not Etsy legal if she didn’t make it herself.

  33. etsyhate May 31, 2011 at 7:34 pm #

    Wow, they edited that fast! Wonder if they’re reading?

  34. Life During Wartime May 31, 2011 at 8:32 pm #

    There is nothing ‘flapper’ about that dress. It’s way too short and it’s strapless. It’s even too short and sleazy looking to be a 60s fringe a-gogo dress. No way is it vintage.

    Lots of newish (maybe used) stuff in that shop.

  35. Cat Power May 31, 2011 at 9:15 pm #

    Doubt if they’ll sell that dress anyway. They have the bust measurement at 28″ and the waist 29″. Methinks there is a slight typo there!….unless, of course, one has a pear shape body!

  36. oneangrybird June 1, 2011 at 8:20 am #

    A~ No, I am not confusing anything!

    Seller I was referring to is a scammer – she lied, plain and simple –

    Green perfume CAN be blended using essential oils – yes, there are probably synthetic fragrance oils used in some.

    For example: Seller ForStrangeWomen blends an all natural oil perfume called Moss & Ivy that does not contain any synthetic fragrance oils. It is a green scent – it is great! Her perfume is the real deal, original!

    My problem is soap makers that try and sell the fragrance oils they purchased for their soap as Perfume to wear on your body!!! These are supplies!!! they are not handmade.

    What don’t you understand????

  37. wigged out June 1, 2011 at 11:38 am #

    Oneangrybird – It’s not the same thing! Unless I’m misunderstanding, they are not decanting the oil straight into another bottle and giving it to you at full strength. They are decanting it into a carrier oil, which dilutes it and makes it skin safe. They are probably also providing a pretty bottle with an attractive label. That is perfectly legitimate. And believe me, I read this blog religiously to avoid resellers and scammers…but what they are doing, while not being “creative” is certainly as etsy-legal as stringing an octopus charm on a necklace.

    On the other hand, there have been scandals wherein “perfumers” claim to blend fragrances into unique perfumes when in fact they are simply bottling diluted fragrance oil (as above). That is a misrepresentation of the product, and the seller should be taken to task for it. Most fragrance sellers walk a fine line with their descriptions, they use flowery words that don’t “quite” say it is an original fragrance, but imply it strongly. I myself order straight from companies like Bramble Berry and Daystar Supplies and make my own fragranced products. A $5.00 ounce of oil lasts me over a year that way!

  38. ohmeohmy June 1, 2011 at 6:43 pm #

    oneangrybird
    June 1, 2011 at 8:20 am #
    A~ No, I am not confusing anything!

    Seller I was referring to is a scammer – she lied, plain and simple –

    Green perfume CAN be blended using essential oils – yes, there are probably synthetic fragrance oils used in some.

    For example: Seller ForStrangeWomen blends an all natural oil perfume called Moss & Ivy that does not contain any synthetic fragrance oils. It is a green scent – it is great! Her perfume is the real deal, original!

    My problem is soap makers that try and sell the fragrance oils they purchased for their soap as Perfume to wear on your body!!! These are supplies!!! they are not handmade.

    What don’t you understand????
    —————————–

    oneangrybird,

    I don’t think you understand the process of making perfume, colognes, and body sprays.

    Essential oils or fragrance oils (or both) are purchased, them mixed with either a carrier oil, or beeswax and a carrier oil (for solid perfume), or distilled water, glycerin and polysorbate, or alcohol either perfumer’s or grain.

    You cannot use a fragrance or essential oil staright on your skin.

    Some scents found in nature cannot be replicated through essential oils, but synthetic fragrance oils can, and there is no shame in using them. Or you can take grass, for instance, distill it and make a hydrosol out of it, then reduce it to a few teaspoons and add a carrier oil to it.

    As far as blends go, they can contain essential oils, or fragrance oils, or both. They have to age for a few weeks so all oils blend.

    I don’t think the “grass’ seller was ripping you off at all. She used a classic process for making a fragrance oil perfume.

  39. LCM June 1, 2011 at 10:47 pm #

    If it was misrepresented as a fragrance she blended herself then yes, she was ripping people off. If someone tells me she blended the fragrance herself I don’t take that to mean poured straight from the manufacturers bottle into a carrier oil.

    I mean, what are you supposed to ask to be sure it’s their own original creation? Words don’t mean anything on Etsy. It’s all some kind of 1984 newspeak.

  40. wigged out June 2, 2011 at 4:07 am #

    I haven’t seen anything here that makes me think the seller was deceitful. If OAB ASSUMED it was a custom-blended, all natural, essential oil fragrance than that was an incorrect assumption. But it is not the seller’s fault. If she was selling perfume oil, which is fragrance combined in a carrier, whether she combined fragrance oils or straight up added a preblended fragrance to carrier oil, then she was doing NOTHING wrong.

    Of course, if a link is provided to the description that shows the seller stated it was a custom creation, or all natural, etc. then I am happy to amend my position. The seller should not make those claims. However, to say that they should not only be crystal clear they are using a fragrance house oil, but also provide a link to the original supplier is laughable.

  41. PussDaddy June 2, 2011 at 4:44 am #

    Even soap is dirty now.

  42. falseprism June 2, 2011 at 10:23 am #

    yikes-
    has anyone looked at Elysian’s other shop?
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/mtheoryclothing?ref=pr_shop

    are they really screen printing all of these tee’s on their own?
    and i hate when people list 5 kabillion cities as their location…

    i wonder if they were forced to take down the photos they stole – the sold items in each shop is missing a few listing photos

  43. snowqueen June 2, 2011 at 2:02 pm #

    They posted on this informative Etsy forum thread talking about soap resellers: http://www.etsy.com/teams/7722/business-topics/discuss/8521637/page/123 and lied about their reason for not trying to join the RealSoap team? Does SymbolicImports actually make their soap, or are they buying from sites like http://www.naturalsoapwholesale.com/ and just cutting up the loaves?

    Pictures match, and the ingredients are the exact same, and are even listed in the same order:
    Symbolic Imports: http://www.etsy.com/transaction/48848088
    Wholesale Soaps: http://www.naturalsoapwholesale.com/Sunshine-Magic-Soap-Loaf-_p_657.html

    SymbolicImports: http://www.etsy.com/transaction/48848086
    Wholesale Soaps: http://www.naturalsoapwholesale.com/Rosewood-Soap-Loaf-_p_199.html

    Symbolic Imports: http://www.etsy.com/transaction/48826679
    Wholesale Soaps: http://www.naturalsoapwholesale.com/Peppermint-Tea-Tree-Organic-Soap-Loaf_p_599.html

    Symbolic Imports: http://www.etsy.com/transaction/48826677
    Wholesale Soaps: http://www.naturalsoapwholesale.com/Honey-Almond-Natural-Soap-Bar_p_382.html

    Symbolic Imports: http://www.etsy.com/transaction/48803490
    Wholesale Soaps: http://www.naturalsoapwholesale.com/Clean-Cotton-Soap-Loaf-_p_548.html

    Symbolic Imports: http://www.naturalsoapwholesale.com/Raspberry-Riptide-_p_577.html
    Wholesale Soaps: http://www.etsy.com/transaction/48801082

  44. Pox June 2, 2011 at 2:06 pm #

    Mtheory also has a thriving ebay business:

    http://stores.ebay.com/M-Theory-Clothing

    I am sure they are doing everything themselves between making batches and batches of different scents of soaps.

  45. Christa June 2, 2011 at 4:45 pm #

    WOW!!! And I just today added them to my favorites list.
    What a bunch of assholes! and they don’t even try to hide it. And I had laugh at the poor photoshop work they do in their shitty shirt shop. LOL!!
    Oh my. I hope Etsy removes the idiotic scam-artists.
    LOL! Look at the Charlie Sheen photoshop job.
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/73079745/charlie-sheen-got-tiger-blood-t-shirt

    hahaha

  46. LCM June 2, 2011 at 5:37 pm #

    If someone asked her if she “made the fragrances herself” as oneangrybird says she did then yes, she needs to be clear that she did not blend the fragrance herself.

    Why do so many Etsy sellers object to accurate disclosure? If you really think buyers don’t care why not just tell them the truth?

    Just because Etsy allows people to sell things that have barely been altered doesn’t mean it’s ethical to mislead people who buy it. Either by lying or by being deliberately vague.

  47. Silent Bob June 2, 2011 at 5:59 pm #

    Well, this is just my two cents. Etsy recommends taking pictures including the “hottest” trends and looking at other sellers pictures for ideas/inspiration, and as far as I know, air plants are hot and the shops are not very similar. Yeah right, shame on Elysian for doing what Etsy recommends. Then the calling out thing evolved into calling them a reseller.

    I just have a hunch that some soap sellers that move alot of product don’t want the competition(elysian has yet to sell a bar) and are just trying to witch hunt the competition out early.

    Here’s a big surprise, don’t look too close at a front page superstar http://www.etsy.com/shop/DirtyDeedsSoaps

    It didn’t take too long before I found the various supplier’s they get their soap from and and cut em with some fancy blade and repackage away.

    Let the flaming begin…….

  48. Truth Seeker June 2, 2011 at 6:54 pm #

    After reading this, I did some further research and guess what?

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/SpaGoddes (who was even featured on Etsy) is a re-seller. check out this listing of hers http://www.etsy.com/listing/61058936/10-organic-soaps-eco-luxuries-wedding

    and then look at this wholesale soap seller:http://botaniesoap.com/wholesale-organic-soap/organic-soaps.html

    she lists these 10 soaps
    Sunshine – Citrus & Lavender
    Radiance – Blood Orange & Bergamot
    Juicy – Pink Grapefruit
    Refresh – Peppermint
    Warmth – Oatmeal Spice
    Peace – Lavender
    Energize – Herbal
    Detox – Juniper Forest
    Awareness – Lemongrass

    and Botanie soap has, yep, you guessed it every single one verbatim!

  49. Truth Seeker June 2, 2011 at 7:00 pm #

    Also look at DirtyDeedsSoaps listing here:

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/63047086/you-pick-5-handmade-soaps

    they list all these soaps as choices:
    Aloe
    April Rain (loofah)
    Appletini
    Beer Soap
    Bay Rum and Lime
    Raspberry Stout
    Spring Ale
    Tobacco
    Pumpkin Ale
    Vanilla Sandalwood’
    Blue Jean Baby
    Cafe Mocha
    Cherry Almond
    Cherry Cola (Cherry Patchouli)
    Cucumber and Lavender
    Green Tea Citrus
    Green Tea Mint
    Hazelnut cappuccino
    Hot chocolate
    Jasmine
    Kona Coffee
    Lemongrass
    Lemon Sugar Cookie
    Lavender
    Lavender and Oatmeal
    Mango Papaya
    Mango Kiwi
    Orange, Bannana Smoothie
    Orange Patchouli
    Patchouli
    Peacekeeper
    Pearberry
    Peppermint
    Plummeria
    Strawberry Shortcake
    Vanilla Rose
    Vanilla Honey
    Vanilla Oatmeal
    Vanillaberry
    Verbena
    Wild Bayberry

    then look at the same wholesale soap company that Elysian is being compared to and their scents available:

    Acai Papaya Soap
    Aloe Calendula All Natural Soap
    Autumn Apples Soap
    Bay Rum All Natural Soap
    Biscotti All Natural Soap
    Black Licorice All Natural Soap
    Blueberry Muffin Soap
    Brown Sugar Fig Goat Milk Soap
    Burnt Orange Patchouli All Natural Soap
    Cedarwood Sage All Natural Soap
    Champaka Soap
    Chamomile Neroli All Natural Soap
    Chamomile Neroli All Natural Soap- Organic Formula
    Cherry Almond Soap
    CinnaBee All Natural Soap with Beeswax
    Cinnamon Almond All Natural Soap- Organic Formula
    Citrus Cedar Sage All Natural Soap- Organic Formula
    Clean Cotton Soap
    Coconut Soap
    Coffee All Natural Soap
    Cranberry Fig Soap
    Cranberry Vanilla Peach Soap
    Creme Brulee Soap
    Cucumelon Soap
    Dragon’s Blood All Natural Soap
    Eucalyptus Hemp & Tea Tree
    Eucalyptus Spearmint All Natural Soap
    Evergreen Lavender All Natural Soap
    Fir Needle All Natural Soap- Organic Formula
    Florida Sunrise All Natural Soap- Organic Formula
    Frank & Myrrh Soap – Organic Formula
    Fresh Ginger Lime Soap
    Ginger Coconut Almond All Natural Soap
    Ginger Cananga Sage Natural Soap
    Grapefruit Margarita All Natural Soap
    Grapefruit Peppermint Soap
    Green Clover Field Soap
    Honey Almond All Natural Soap
    Honeysuckle and Sugar Soap
    Honeysuckle Soap
    Key Lime All Natural Soap
    Kiwi All Natural Soap
    Lavender Lemongrass All Natural Goat Milk Soap
    Lavender All Natural Soap with Flowers
    Lavender All Natural Soap – Purple
    Lavender All Natural Goat Milk Soap with Oatmeal
    Lemongrass All Natural Soap
    Lilac and Lilies Soap
    Lilac Soap
    Mango Soap
    Mango Papaya Soap
    May Chang All Natural Soap – Organic Formula
    Mountain Air All Natural Soap – Organic Formula
    Melon Mango Sugar Soap
    Midnight Magic All Natural Soap
    Nature Walk All Natural Soap
    Ocean Breeze Soap
    Ocean Reef Soap
    Orange Hibiscus All Natural Soap
    Orange Spice Tea All Natural Soap
    Orange Vanilla All Natural Soap
    Patchouli All Natural Soap
    Patchouli Vanilla Hemp
    Pear and Berry Soap
    Pear and Redwood Goat Milk Soap
    Pomegranate Pear
    Peppermint All Natural Soap
    Peppermint Tea Tree All Natural Soap – Organic Formula
    Plumeria Goat Milk Soap
    Rainforest Rose Natural Soap
    Raspberry Riptide Soap
    Raspberry Rush Soap
    Rosewood All Natural Soap
    Sandalwood Incense All Natural Soap
    Sandalwood Vanilla Soap
    Spearmint All Natural Soap
    Spiced Cake Soap
    Strawberry Shortcake Soap
    Sunshine Magic All Natural Soap
    Super Shea All Natural Soap
    Sweet Dreams All Natural Soap
    Sweet Pea Soap
    Sweet Roses All Natural Goat Milk Soap
    Tea Tree All Natural Soap
    Tropic Rose All Natural Soap
    Unscented Castile All Natural Goat Milk Soap
    Unscented Oatmeal All Natural Goat Milk Soap
    Vanilla Oatmeal Soap
    Vanilla Mocha All Natural Soap
    Vanilla Ylang Ylang All Natural Soap
    Vanilla Sugar Goat Milk Soap
    Wind Blossom All Natural Soap – Organic Formula
    Woodberry Goat Milk Soap

    See all the matches they carry?

  50. Truth Seeker June 2, 2011 at 8:16 pm #

    In case it’s too much for you to look through, the ones that Dirty Deeds carry that are verbatim to this wholesale soap company:
    http://www.naturalsoapwholesale.com/Wholesale-Soap-A-Z_c_57.html are the following:

    1. Cherry Almond – DD is using the identical name
    2. Sandalwood Vanilla Soap – DD calls it Vanilla Sandalwood
    3. Lavender All Natural Goat Milk Soap with Oatmeal- DD call it Lavender Oatmeal or they could also be getting this one from this site http://www.essexcounty.ca/naturalsoap11to20.html
    4. Mango Paypaya – DD is using the identical name
    5. Plumeria Goat Milk Soap- DD calls it Plumeria
    6. Burnt Orange Patchouli All Natural Soap – DD calls it Orange Patchouli
    7. All Natural Patchouli – DD calls it Patchouli
    8. Pear and Berry Soap – DD calls it Pear Berry
    9. Peppermint All Natural Soap – DD calls it Peppermint
    10.Strawberry Shortcake – DD is using the identical name
    11.Coffee – DD calls it Kona Coffee
    12.Vanilla Oatmeal – DD is using the identical name

    now let’s research where they get some of the the others from:

    http://www.essexcounty.ca/naturalsoap11to20.html

    1. Aloe Calendula – DD is using the identical name
    2. Lavender Oatmeal – DD is using the identical name

    I’ll keep researching and find all the other companies they are buying and re-selling from…because it’s from multiple places!

  51. M Theory Clothing June 2, 2011 at 9:05 pm #

    Christa June 2, 2011 at 4:45 pm #

    WOW!!! And I just today added them to my favorites list.
    What a bunch of assholes! and they don’t even try to hide it. And I had laugh at the poor photoshop work they do in their shitty shirt shop. LOL!!
    Oh my. I hope Etsy removes the idiotic scam-artists.
    ____________________________________________
    LOL! Look at the Charlie Sheen photoshop job.
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/73079745/charlie-sheen-got-tiger-blood-t-shirt

    hahaha

    The Charlie Sheen photo is suppose to be funny and awkward, did you really think I was trying to make it look realistic, get a sense of humor BITCH!

  52. TF June 2, 2011 at 10:01 pm #

    Nice try truthsilentbobseekerelysian. You’ve been exposed and you know it.

    It’s sad, really, how desperately you’re trying to stay afloat even though the ship is sinking.

  53. K June 3, 2011 at 3:27 am #

    I’d just like to point out that carrying the same or similar fragrances isn’t enough to claim someone is reselling. Look at the product photos. They’re totally different products.

    For instance:
    http://www.naturalsoapwholesale.com/Lemongrass-All-Natural-Soap_c_96.html is not the same as http://www.etsy.com/listing/59513790/3-handmade-soap-lemongrass and anyone with eyes can see that.

  54. PussDaddy June 3, 2011 at 3:33 am #

    I’m only buying handmade from people I have already bought from and trust from now on and anything else I am going to buy at craft shows and things in person. This handmade crap just gets more ridiculous every day. Even people you have bought from and trust sometimes turn out to be full of it. Every one says it’s up to the buyer to know what they are doing so just not buying is easiest IMHO. As a buyer I’m tired of all the scams and bullshit.

  55. Cooler than TF June 3, 2011 at 3:34 am #

    blah, blah, blah, all the soap sellers are reselling, who cares.

  56. RB June 3, 2011 at 6:27 am #

    It would seem many top soap sellers are re-selling. WOW!!

    Unfortunately, this entire site is doing what’s known as defamation of character and if someone wanted to, they could get their legal counsel involved and whoever is running this site up, and even the commenting people, could be held liable for damages in a court of law.

    What you guys are doing is illegal and truly pathetic. Those who engage in this type of behavior are usually non-creative themselves and have nothing better to do with their lives.

  57. RB June 3, 2011 at 6:34 am #

    K June 3, 2011 at 3:27 am #

    I’d just like to point out that carrying the same or similar fragrances isn’t enough to claim someone is reselling. Look at the product photos. They’re totally different products.

    For instance:
    http://www.naturalsoapwholesale.com/Lemongrass-All-Natural-Soap_c_96.html is not the same as http://www.etsy.com/listing/59513790/3-handmade-soap-lemongrass and anyone with eyes can see that.

    BUT K, YOU MUST LOOK AT THIS COMPANY WHO IS RE-SELLING AND THEY HAVE THAT EXACT SAME SOAP:

    Symbolic Imports: http://www.etsy.com/listing/70591285/lemongrass-and-poppy-seed-shea-butter

    Dirty Deeds: http://www.etsy.com/listing/59513790/3-handmade-soap-lemongrass

    IF THESE DON’T LOOK IDENTICAL, MY EYES MUST BE MESSED UP!!!

  58. Dorks June 3, 2011 at 6:57 am #

    Wow, I just looked at these two listings, and they are identical!!

    Symbolic Imports: http://www.etsy.com/listing/70591285/lemongrass-and-poppy-seed-shea-butter

    Dirty Deeds: http://www.etsy.com/listing/59513790/3-handmade-soap-lemongrass

    Isn’t Symbolic Imports known to be a re-seller. These soaps are identical!

    OMG, I almost bought from Dirty Deeds this Fathers Day…thankfully I didn’t yet!

    this is so disappointing

  59. JK June 3, 2011 at 8:10 am #

    Oh, RB. . .not terribly familiar with law, are you? It’s also cute how you think people who are against liars and resellers are ‘non-creative’ — guess what? Most people here are angry because the fakers are hurting their own legitimate shops full of real handmade goods! But you go on now, and keep pretending you know something. 🙂

  60. Pox June 3, 2011 at 8:20 am #

    Etsycallout? Will you cross reference the IPs of the chick who came on as mtheory with our helpful friends silent bob and RB? I am feeling like somebody is agreeing with themselves.

  61. iona June 3, 2011 at 9:57 am #

    I used to make soap. It’s a very time consuming, messy, expensive process. I never had 70 different logs of soap at any one time….ridiculous. And all of these shops with 70 scents have the exact same scents. No custom or original blends at all. They all just went out and got the same soaps. It makes me sick.

  62. PussDaddy June 3, 2011 at 10:07 am #

    WEll that’s it then. Just retract every thing I have ever said here in my whole entire fucking life as I go lawyer up.

  63. ZAJA Natural June 3, 2011 at 12:05 pm #

    I have to chime in here in defense of soap sellers, since I am one and no, I do not resell. I make each and every one of my bars from scratch.

    I do not think Spa Goddess is a reseller. If she is then I will bite my words. Nor do I think Dirty Deeds is one either. You can have the same name for a soap as another company and still be the one who made the product. There are fragrance oil suppliers that carry the same scents. It could also mean that the companies share the same supplier. For instance, Mango Coconut can be found with 3 different fragrance suppliers. If anything, its just a lack of imagination as far as figuring out how to change the name. Vanilla Sandalwood is also a very popular blend/name.

    Lemongrass is usually an essential oil, same with Lavender, Blood Orange, etc. Essential oils can be found anywhere. You can find 100 soap sellers that make a Lemongrass soap. Does not mean they are all reselling from some log soap maker who just happens to make Lemongrass soap.

    I just wanted to point this out because up until Wednesday I never even thought the reseller problem was filtering into the bath and body category on Etsy. And now all soap sellers are being questioned and having fingers pointed at them. It seems a lynch mob is brewing against soap sellers, but please, before pointing the finger, be prepared to provide adequate proof. I have seen nothing yet with my trained soap making eyes from Spa Goddess or Dirty Deeds that leads me to believe they are resellers.

    For the record, I do not know anyone from either company, nor do I have any vested interested. I just know that if it were my name being smeared on here I would hope that someone would come to my defense after taking a good look.

  64. ZAJA Natural June 3, 2011 at 12:08 pm #

    Forgot to say that having 70 different logs at one time does not make you a reseller either. It makes you a successful soap maker. Just last night I made 60 logs for a wholesale account. I have over 160 different varieties of soap, all cold processed. There is nothing wrong with a seller having a lot of varieties to choose from. Don’t be suspicious of a seller just because they can handle having a large business.

  65. jw June 3, 2011 at 12:22 pm #

    I have to say after looking at what Truth Seeker posted about Spa Goddess, I am very suspicious. If you look at her listings and then compare to the soaps, the color & names are spot on….

    Regarding Dirty Deeds, I did see some similarity to the names and the wholesaler that was listed. That one is still suspicious as well and I think they should be questioned as well.

    I, for one, am going to report both these shops to Etsy to be investigated.

  66. tt June 3, 2011 at 12:36 pm #

    the one that is really suspicious of dirty deeds is that a re-seller that is mentioned above is Symbolic Imports.

    I love dirty deeds soap and have bought this soap from them, and now I am seriously wondering though…

    These soaps look way too identical for it to be a coincidence:

    Dirty Deeds:
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/59513790/3-handmade-soap-lemongrass

    Symbolic Imports:
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/70591285/lemongrass-and-poppy-seed-shea-butter

    too weird….

  67. snowqueen June 3, 2011 at 2:41 pm #

    How about Symbolic Imports http://www.etsy.com/shop/SymbolicImports

    They posted in this thread that they wouldn’t join the ‘RealSoap’ team “we do not plan on joining a club/team where their goal is just an avenue for a quick promotion and where it weeds out other soap sellers just because their shops appear new to etsy”

    http://www.etsy.com/teams/7722/business-topics/discuss/8521637/page/123

    But could it really be that their pictures are eerily similar and their early descriptions match to the soap you can buy yourself on http://www.naturalsoapwholesale.com/

    SI’s avatar soap: http://www.etsy.com/transaction/46985159
    WS: http://www.naturalsoapwholesale.com/Sunshine-Magic-Soap-Loaf-_p_657.html

    SI: http://www.etsy.com/transaction/46554570
    WS: http://www.naturalsoapwholesale.com/Peppermint-Tea-Tree-Organic-Soap-Bar_p_598.html

    SI: http://www.etsy.com/transaction/46848861
    WS: http://www.naturalsoapwholesale.com/Clean-Cotton-Soap-Bar-_p_549.html

    SI: http://www.etsy.com/transaction/48111541
    WS: http://www.naturalsoapwholesale.com/Honey-Almond-Natural-Soap-Bar_p_382.html

    SI: http://www.etsy.com/transaction/48113722
    WS: http://www.naturalsoapwholesale.com/Rosewood-Soap-Loaf-_p_199.html

  68. etsycallout June 3, 2011 at 3:08 pm #

    Etsycallout? Will you cross reference the IPs of the chick who came on as mtheory with our helpful friends silent bob and RB? I am feeling like somebody is agreeing with themselves.
    ___________________________________________
    Good catch. Yes, it looks like Mtheory, Silent Bob & RB they are all the same IP address. It looks like they are also posting as “tt, jw, dorks, cooler than TF and truth seeker” as well.

  69. kitten June 3, 2011 at 3:19 pm #

    etsycallout

    Etsycallout? Will you cross reference the IPs of the chick who came on as mtheory with our helpful friends silent bob and RB? I am feeling like somebody is agreeing with themselves.
    ___________________________________________
    Good catch. Yes, it looks like Mtheory, Silent Bob & RB they are all the same IP address. It looks like they are also posting as “tt, jw, dorks, cooler than TF and truth seeker” as well.
    ______________________________

    WOW!

  70. Elysian Organics June 3, 2011 at 3:32 pm #

    Yep, we sure are all the same!!! Well, we were given the link to your site & just had to come and check it out for ourselves :0)

    And, nothin’ we’re saying is untrue.

    And, tonight we make our video for Etsy of us making soap in our home using a recipe that is OUR family recipe and is for sale in our shop. How do you all know we’re not related to the big wholesale company and we know how to make small batches of the exact same soap?!!

    Mean girls aren’t always right and we can find out MANY OF THE SELLERS on Etsy who are buying from this wholesale company….some of you just can’t hide – LOL!!!

    Pssshhht, Dirty Deeds makes all their own soaps…hah – what a farce!

    Oh, and it is IMPOSSIBLE & we say IMPOSSIBLE for one person to make 60 batches of soap in one evening let alone a day or even within days….please – JOKE!

  71. Kitty June 3, 2011 at 3:34 pm #

    etsycallout

    Etsycallout? Will you cross reference the IPs of the chick who came on as mtheory with our helpful friends silent bob and RB? I am feeling like somebody is agreeing with themselves.
    ___________________________________________
    Good catch. Yes, it looks like Mtheory, Silent Bob & RB they are all the same IP address. It looks like they are also posting as “tt, jw, dorks, cooler than TF and truth seeker” as well.

    ___________________________________________

    It bears repeating. WJW

  72. JW June 3, 2011 at 3:39 pm #

    well this is odd. I can assure you I am not in any way in cahoots with these nutjobs.

  73. TF June 3, 2011 at 4:28 pm #

    I just want to say that I know FOR A FACT that elysianorganics not related to naturalsoapwholesale, because I emailed and asked. They responded that NSW has no relation to them.

    Nice try though!

  74. JW June 3, 2011 at 4:32 pm #

    this is so original! and ooak! and unique!

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/63140081/official-nasa-licensed-logo

  75. Elysian Organics June 3, 2011 at 4:32 pm #

    TF, you’re just an idiot!! LOL

  76. JW June 3, 2011 at 4:34 pm #

    pot, kettle.

  77. Elysian Organics June 3, 2011 at 4:35 pm #

    and JW, we can’t wait until you start screenprinting tees and come up with designs…

    let’s see…I bet you couldn’t even figure out how to screenprint tees though, so we’re not worried :0)

    mean girls, just plain mean girls. We can only imagine the lame shiz that you people create. Since you have so much time on your hands to be SOOOOO worried about this. LOL, LOL, ROFL

  78. AGT June 3, 2011 at 4:36 pm #

    so Elysian/mytheory/silentbob/rb/dorks/coolerthantf/truthseeker,
    when can we see this video? and where?

  79. Elysian Organics June 3, 2011 at 4:36 pm #

    AGT, it’s for Etsy only…but you stupid arses will see the pics now in our listings so you’ll all shut your ugly pie holes.

  80. TF June 3, 2011 at 4:38 pm #

    “We can only imagine the lame shiz that you people create. Since you have so much time on your hands to be SOOOOO worried about this. LOL, LOL, ROFL”

    —————

    says the person trying to pretend she’s eight different people.

  81. Elysian Organics June 3, 2011 at 4:38 pm #

    I’m off to put my kiddo to bed and then off to make some soap. Have a nice life LOSERS!

  82. JW June 3, 2011 at 4:38 pm #

    I learned how to screenprint tees at summer camp in 6th grade. it isn’t rocket science.

  83. JW June 3, 2011 at 4:39 pm #

    oh sweet jesus, you’re breeding???

  84. Elysian Organics June 3, 2011 at 4:39 pm #

    and we are way cooler that you’ll ever be TF!! cooler than TF!! cooler than TF!! and we have a f’ing sense of humor to boot!!

  85. AGT June 3, 2011 at 4:41 pm #

    yes. 8 different people. with enough time to make videos, tweet for her two shops every hour on the hour, make soap, screenprint original designs onto t-shirts, and even put her kid to bed. She’s my idol!

  86. Elysian Organics June 3, 2011 at 4:43 pm #

    really JW, you know how to operate a 4 color press using high quality plastisol ink the ‘old school’ way and also have silkscreens, & over 100 different ink colors at your leisure? Well, if so…get on your computer, put your graphic design skills to use (if you have any), burn screens & GO MAKE SOME AWESOME TEE DESIGNS! Until you do that, shut the F up moron!

  87. you suck June 3, 2011 at 4:43 pm #

    So did you run out and get a bunch of soap making supplies so you can make your redonk video and keep selling wholesale?

    Serious tools.

  88. Elysian Organics June 3, 2011 at 4:44 pm #

    damn AGT you’re even more of a moron than I thought….there’s a freakin’ program that does the tweeting!! ROFL

    are you at a pay as you use computer shop right now?

    Get with the 21st century idiot…

  89. Yep June 3, 2011 at 4:44 pm #

    Actually, screenprinting is quite easy.
    It’s sad the attitude you’re taking with this Elsyian. Really reflects poorly on your “business”.

    “and JW, we can’t wait until you start screenprinting tees and come up with designs…”
    Says the girl who prints logos of other companies. Where are *your* designs?

  90. AGT June 3, 2011 at 4:44 pm #

    Seems we’ve hit a sore spot.

  91. you suck June 3, 2011 at 4:45 pm #

    Yes you may be screenprinting but you are screenprinting the intellectual property that belongs to someone else you raging douche squirts.

  92. JW June 3, 2011 at 4:45 pm #

    yes, but can you can come up with your own original designs?

    can ya? would ya? please?

  93. AGT June 3, 2011 at 4:46 pm #

    apple mcintosh, the beatles….those are both mtheory originals aren’t they?

  94. TF June 3, 2011 at 4:47 pm #

    She’s not going to respond you guys. She’s off doing something REALLY cool, like cruising the internet for new graphics or neglecting her kid!

  95. Elysian Organics June 3, 2011 at 4:47 pm #

    Yes, some are companies that don’t care about having walking advertisements out there, but most of our designs are ours! No sore spot here…just we’re making some dough – yay for us!

  96. JW June 3, 2011 at 4:47 pm #

    jesus christ I feel sorry for your kid.

  97. JW June 3, 2011 at 4:48 pm #

    nasa doesn’t care.

    http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/reproduction_guidelines.html

  98. Elysian Organics June 3, 2011 at 4:48 pm #

    Oh, and YEP, we didn’t start this whole thing….may we remind you?

    methinks you’re all just jealous fucktards

  99. AGT June 3, 2011 at 4:48 pm #

    neglecting the heir to the soap making empire. he/she has to put him/herself to bed I guess.

  100. you suck June 3, 2011 at 4:49 pm #

    right b/c Apple wouldn’t mind their log on your hideously photoshop elements catalog teeshirt photos.

  101. you suck June 3, 2011 at 4:49 pm #

    *logo

  102. JW June 3, 2011 at 4:50 pm #

    “most of our designs are ours”.
    pure class.

  103. AGT June 3, 2011 at 4:50 pm #

    fucktards. hee hee.

  104. Elysian Organics June 3, 2011 at 4:50 pm #

    There are 2 of us you fucking morons. Just because most of you are probably fat, no husband losers doesn’t mean I am! LOL

  105. Elysian Organics June 3, 2011 at 4:50 pm #

    TA TA beeyatches!!!!

  106. you suck June 3, 2011 at 4:50 pm #

    Hey, I’ve seen the ebay pictures, you are not a supermodel.

  107. JW June 3, 2011 at 4:51 pm #

    I’ve seen you darlin’. It ain’t so pretty.

  108. AGT June 3, 2011 at 4:51 pm #

    tata then! please! your poor kid needs to get in jammies! don’t waste your time here!

  109. Elysian Organics June 3, 2011 at 4:51 pm #

    I’m fucking hot though and I have a hot hubby too, so fuck off and die!

  110. Elysian Organics June 3, 2011 at 4:52 pm #

    BYE CUNTS!!!!! go sit and spin

  111. JW June 3, 2011 at 4:52 pm #

    best comeback ever.

  112. AGT June 3, 2011 at 4:52 pm #

    well, she’s right. I am kinda fat. But I have a husband! waaaaaa…..I think I might cry now….

  113. AGT June 3, 2011 at 4:53 pm #

    oh yes….and please give the special needs kitty Max a nice pat on the head too.

  114. Yep June 3, 2011 at 4:58 pm #

    “This general permission does not include the NASA insignia logo (the blue “meatball” insignia)”

    which is what this is: http://www.etsy.com/listing/63140081/official-nasa-licensed-logo

    methinks nasa needs a heads up.

  115. you suck June 3, 2011 at 5:00 pm #

    yeah you go unpack that big assed UPS box full of soap.

  116. Yuck June 3, 2011 at 5:11 pm #

    As a buyer, it sickens me when I see “designers” selling the logos of other people/companies for profit. That is just so sad – it’s like throwing your hands up in the air and saying, “well, we have no original ideas of our own, so we’ll just mooch off someone else who has talent.” That goes for shops who steal another shop’s photo styling too – and it goes beyond using the same props – there’s definite stealing of photo composition involved.

    How hard is it to get your own ideas? Don’t you want to stand out from the crowd, and NOT be confused with another shop? How does copying and stealing and lying help you in the end? This is just not a sustainable business model.

    X0X0

    a handmade shopper

  117. ZAJA Natural June 3, 2011 at 5:49 pm #

    Elysian Organics Say : Oh, and it is IMPOSSIBLE & we say IMPOSSIBLE for one person to make 60 batches of soap in one evening let alone a day or even within days….please – JOKE!

    ____

    No one said anything about 60 batches, perhaps you need to read again. And there are two of us, me and my fiance, not a big team. I said 60 logs. I don’t know how you make your soap or if you even make your soap.

    But one of my batches consist of 280 oz of oil, which is poured into four 24″ logs. If we make 15 batches, we end up with sixty 24″ logs. Cut them up and you have 1440 bars of soap made in less than 2 hours. Trust me, it can be done and we do it at least 4 nights a week on a good week.

    There comes a point in any busy soap maker’s life where making little 12″ batches just won’t cut it anymore. That is the point you move from being a “hobbyist” to being a professional soap maker.

  118. kitten June 3, 2011 at 7:57 pm #

    Elysian Organics said:

    damn AGT you’re even more of a moron than I thought….there’s a freakin’ program that does the tweeting!! ROFL
    ______________________

    Shit, you don’t do anything yourself.

    Elysian Organics said:

    There are 2 of us you fucking morons. Just because most of you are probably fat, no husband losers doesn’t mean I am! LOL
    __________________________________

    I’ve seen some unprofessional sellers, but I think you win the grand prize. Yikes, are you drunk, high or just insane?

    I’ve never reported anyone for using someone’s elses intellectual property before, but for you I’ll make an exception.

    Also is that your pictures in your avatar? Fucking hot? Hmmm, nope sorry. lol

  119. PussDaddy June 3, 2011 at 8:20 pm #

    I understand that sellers may have scents that have the same name as I have been Monkey Farted and Butt Nakeded to death all over the place. But even if sellers bought the same scents wouldn’t their soap look different between different sellers instead of it all looking like it was made by the same person/place?

  120. you suck June 3, 2011 at 8:27 pm #

    this kind of feels like when in High School my Soccer Coach started living with a former student who was only a year out of HS. They were easily 20 years apart and he had been her coach. You can’t look at him without being skeeved out.

    And now…Etsy is that coach, and Elysian is that girlfriend. And it is skeevy.

  121. Dirty Deeds Soaps June 3, 2011 at 9:01 pm #

    This will probably the only thing I write here, because I feel the need to defend our name, but I cant spend every breath worrying about this so here goes.

    We started out buying soap from soapguy because it was a resource for us and what turned us onto handmade soaps in the first place. We do not sell soapguy soaps online.

    After finding out how great it made our skin feel, we researched everything we could about soapmaking and started to make our own. Everybody starts out somewhere when they decide to start making soaps. We have done both CP and MP and after working on our business for about a year now we have decided to be only MP.

    As for similarities, yes Soap guy even states he buys his ingredients, oils,scents from wholesale supplies plus which many soapmakers do, or at least he used to disclose that. Our vanilla sandalwood for example is actually a round beer soap and is used for shaving. Not a rectangular log. I apologize that maybe 4-5 of our many, many photos of soap match SoapGuy loaves as do many soapmakers soaps

    Lemongrass with poppy seeds is incredibly popular, and many sellers carry it. I cant make fancy swirls, so I color it yellow and add poppy seeds because its a popular way to sell it.

    Some of our listings have ingredient discrepancies as we change over from CP to french milled using detergent free bases and as all natural as possible ingredients. As those last CP bars are sold, there probably want be any more in our particular store, but we disclose in our listings the ingredients of all of our soaps.

    We even hand assemble our brushes from knots and wholesale pieces, or woodturned handles from some fabulous etsy friends. Which I feel many sellers who sell shave brushes do not.

    We apologize if any of you feel worried about your purchases or feel like you were scammed, we try to provide our customers with the best possible products we can.

    There are alot of tempers and opinions rolling all over Etsy right now, especially towards soapsellers. So I urge you to take time before you point fingers or take time to find out about the people behind a store and not just what you read in forums aimed at being negative to shops they feel like they find fault with it.

    Thanks for your time, and Elysian I feel bad for all the backlash you have specifically received, but i feel your public reactions have stirred this pot and made it bubble over. You have in essence initiated what has spread through Etsy like wildfire. These are all our livelihoods people are playing with as the slash people’s names and business’s across the internet.

    I realize we maybe bashed more, and I do not intend to spend hours responding to every single response, I just felt like something needed to be said.

    -Heather

  122. Elysian Organics June 3, 2011 at 9:34 pm #

    hey fuckers!! check out our our listings with our pics of us making our soap!! I don’t see any other soap sellers doing this to prove their authenticity.

    sockcuckers!!

  123. Elysian Organics June 3, 2011 at 9:35 pm #

    hey fuckers!! check our our listings with us making our soaps!! eat shit and die sockcuckers!!!

  124. Sydney June 3, 2011 at 9:58 pm #

    I just have to comment on Elysian’s “proof” photos..

    It looks like you bought a wholesale log, slapped in on a two by six, and then emptied your kitchen junk drawer on the counter.

    But that’s just me.

  125. wigged out June 4, 2011 at 6:36 am #

    Please tell me these posts show up in google searches…so that prospective buyers can search “Elysian Organics” and come up with gems like “BYE CUNTS!!!!! go sit and spin.” I know as a consumer the first thing I look for in a retailer is prolific cussing and a propensity to insult critics with nasty comments about their appearance. I think you’ve done more damage to your business here than any accusation of reselling could…

  126. mtheoryclothing June 4, 2011 at 7:21 am #

    blah, blah, blah, who reads this anyway besides the (elite)16 etsy wanna-be police.

  127. AGT June 4, 2011 at 7:37 am #

    sydney said:
    I just have to comment on Elysian’s “proof” photos..

    It looks like you bought a wholesale log, slapped in on a two by six, and then emptied your kitchen junk drawer on the counter.

    But that’s just me.
    ——————————

    i’d be willing to be soapmaking is kinda messy. I don’t see any mess at all. everything looks unused. not a drop of anything spilled. wow. she’s even too dumb to make it look realistic.

  128. Sydney June 4, 2011 at 8:00 am #

    AGT said:

    i’d be willing to be soapmaking is kinda messy. I don’t see any mess at all. everything looks unused. not a drop of anything spilled. wow. she’s even too dumb to make it look realistic.

    _____________________

    I know, I was thinking the same thing… I don’t know. I’m not entirely sold. And it doesn’t look like they are holding up the same soap from the log.

    BUT again, that’s just me. And what I’m noticing.

  129. wigged out June 4, 2011 at 8:14 am #

    Dirty Deeds Soap – thank you for your explanation! And you were able to accomplish defending your business without making yourself look like a complete and total jerk unlike some others…Truly classy!

    I did not realize the picture from EO holding the wrapped bar of soap was meant to be “proof” of them making the soap themselves. How do you go from raw ingredients to finished wrapped soap in one session?

  130. wutthe June 4, 2011 at 8:32 am #

    This cannot be Elysian Organics posting as herself or any of these aliases – it just can’t be – how could any business owner think that coming on here and reacting as this poster has could help matters? I don’t think I’ve ever seen the focus of a call-out react so poorly, so vilely. It just doesn’t make any sense and it’s hard for me to believe it’s really Elysian saying these things unless she’s the stupidest, most hot-headed, professionally suicidal seller out there. Hmm.

  131. Dee June 4, 2011 at 8:47 am #

    Oh no, that’s definitely her. 🙂

  132. etsycallout June 4, 2011 at 8:59 am #

    The IP address is from their town I’m afraid.

    Anyone also notice that they include each other’s shops in their treasuries? Tacky!

  133. AGT June 4, 2011 at 9:04 am #

    oh, it’s her. she even admits it after getting caught with the same IP address:

    Yep, we sure are all the same!!! Well, we were given the link to your site & just had to come and check it out for ourselves :0)

  134. wutthe June 4, 2011 at 9:14 am #

    (Sorry, if I had a picture of myself you could see that there’s this curious tongue sticking out of my cheek.)

  135. TF June 4, 2011 at 9:29 am #

    The IP address is from their town I’m afraid.

    Anyone also notice that they include each other’s shops in their treasuries? Tacky!
    ———————

    My favorite part is that they also thank themselves for the inclusion. SO polite!

  136. Trista June 4, 2011 at 10:26 am #

    wutthe – I was just thinking the same thing. The poster here seems way too out of line to be the real Elysian. No sane person would ruin their businesses name by behaving this way publicly.

    If it is really her, she should take a lesson from Dirty Deeds Soap on how to defend yourself in a respectable and professional manner. The Elysian who’s posting here isn’t defending herself, she’s just making herself look like a fool.

  137. Trista June 4, 2011 at 10:28 am #

    Whoops – by the time I got that typed it looks like etsycallout confirmed the IP comes from her location.

    WJW

  138. Dee June 4, 2011 at 10:28 am #

    And once again, that is definitely her.

  139. AGT June 4, 2011 at 10:40 am #

    it’s like christmas when I pop into this thread. Her comments are so amusing:

    hey fuckers!! check out our our listings with our pics of us making our soap!! I don’t see any other soap sellers doing this to prove their authenticity.

    sockcuckers!!

    and in case we didn’t catch that one, she rewrote it a minute later, but changed it up a little:

    hey fuckers!! check our our listings with us making our soaps!! eat shit and die sockcuckers!!!

  140. Dee June 4, 2011 at 11:16 am #

    I only see one picture.

  141. hum June 4, 2011 at 1:55 pm #

    note to elysian: your posts here give potential customers some insight into your character.

  142. hohum June 4, 2011 at 2:05 pm #

    Y’know, I don’t see where EO says ANYWHERE that they actually make anything. They “bring” things to us, they market, they are “designers”, but do they actually MAKE any of the things they “bring to us?

  143. Yuck June 4, 2011 at 3:11 pm #

    This person doesn’t understand how to be a professional. As a business owner, everything you say and every way you present yourself helps to form your brand image. Branding goes beyond a logo and a slogan – it is every experience and communication between a business and the public.

    Now, anytime a potential customer Googles “Elysian Organics”, they’re going to find *this* blog post in the search results and all of these comments by EO, presenting themselves in a dishonest, disrespectful, unsavory way. Instead of convincing potential customers that they are good people who we falsely identified as resellers, they have convinced potential customers that they are foul-mouthed, spiteful, and extremely immature. So… way to go?

  144. you suck June 4, 2011 at 3:29 pm #

    I don’t know why anyone expects anything else, they lie about what they make, they steal other’s designs, there isn’t a creative bone in their body. Not surprised about what they stoop to hear either.

  145. em June 4, 2011 at 5:00 pm #

    ahh.. I sure do love a good meltdown!

  146. kitten June 4, 2011 at 5:56 pm #

    Who is the elite 16 etsy wanna-be police?

    Oh and that photo is a joke.

  147. TF June 4, 2011 at 6:22 pm #

    I also would like this list of Elite 16 wanna-be police.

  148. PussDaddy June 4, 2011 at 7:43 pm #

    LMAO@the soap making pic. I get my kitchen messier making brownies.

  149. humbug June 5, 2011 at 9:59 am #

    Maybe I don’t understand entirely – I read only a few posts from that thread on etsy regarding soap, but why is there any protest at all since the entire premise of Etsy is selling our HANDMADE BY US OURSELVES ONLY US NOT “buying and repackaging”? Why are some of posters bitching about this? Buying something from someone else (even if they make it themselves) and putting your own label on it doesn’t jibe with the spirit of etsy, nor the RULES of etsy. Everything in the world can be classified as “handmade”, but that doesn’t mean it can be sold on etsy. Grrrrr. Technically, melt and pour is handmade, but buying a loaf and cutting it up is not.

  150. Fake June 5, 2011 at 4:01 pm #

    Well this one sure took a turn for the worse. What a hot mess! Sure makes me want to buy from M Theory or Elysian soaps. Like someone else mentioned above – I hope this blog shows up when you google these name – everyone should be aware of these fucktards.

  151. nothanks June 5, 2011 at 4:28 pm #

    This page is number 5 on a google search for “Elysian Organics” right now: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1208&bih=589&q=elysian+organics&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=

    And I bet we could get it a higher with a little SEO work.

    Enjoy your future in business, Elysian Organics! I’m sure the comments you’ve posted here will not in any way deter future customers from purchasing the handmade organic all natural soaps from your Etsy shop: http://www.etsy.com/shop/elysianorganics

  152. margaret z. June 5, 2011 at 6:29 pm #

    Christine Hull and Marty J. Miller of Elysian Organics make all natural soap themselves and MTheory / M Theory Clothing screen prints all their own “original” designs? Laughable!

    These two could not get any more ridiculous!

    My word. If Christine Hull and Marty Miller didn’t use their own likeness in their listings and if the IP address wasn’t confirmed by etsycallout, I might think a 12 year old with raging self-esteem issues was really the one instructing us all to “eat shit and die sockcucers.” You two stay classy.

    SEO THAT.

  153. DB June 5, 2011 at 7:31 pm #

    This comment thread is one of my most favorite things in the entire world right now. Christine Hull of Elysian Organics is certifiable. I wonder if poor Marty Miller of Elysian Organics and M Theory Clothing is actually involved in these shenanigans, or if he’s shaking his head in another room wonder what the hell he got himself into.

    I’m honestly curious. What does Christine Hull expect to achieve with the ridiculous name calling and outrageous accusations? ….even though I have a feeling she’s going to turn right around and call the accusations against her outrageous…riiiigghht.

    I’m so tempted to go into my own kitchen and take a “LOOK I MAKE SOAP” picture by throwing some shit up on my counter and holding up a bar that I bought.

  154. DB June 5, 2011 at 7:36 pm #

    And oh, look – all of M Theory’s NASA shirts are gone.

  155. you suck June 5, 2011 at 7:40 pm #

    ooh Christine Hull the foul mouthed woman who cusses at people on message boards, must be upset that NASA sent a cease and desist!

  156. Dee June 5, 2011 at 7:59 pm #

    Well they still have Apple, Suzuki, Honda, Harry Potter, Dungeons & Dragons, Yahama…. That’s a lot of copyright stuff. Not to mention a shitload of concert tees. Hopefully they’ll receive more cease & desist letters tomorrow. I’m sure all these big companies have lawyers on retainer just for crap like this.

  157. DB June 5, 2011 at 8:05 pm #

    As a note, this post is now #6 when you google “Elysian Organics.” The blog post where they’re called out for stealing a photographer’s photos for the former incarnation of the store (when they sold knits) is #3 and #4.

    We’ve still got some work to do for M Theory and Christine Hull.

  158. Dee June 5, 2011 at 8:06 pm #

    If someone was looking for a nice Nasa tee, they still have them on ebay!

    http://tinyurl.com/3f55yxh

  159. TF June 5, 2011 at 8:26 pm #

    Am I the only one who misses Elysian Organics, their multiple personality disorder and general foolishness? They might be liars, thieves, and cheats, but they have the best meltdowns I have ever seen!

  160. Dee June 5, 2011 at 9:26 pm #

    I kinda miss being called a sockcucker!

  161. AtB June 6, 2011 at 10:00 am #

    Wow, I wouldn’t shop with EO if they were the last shop selling soap in the world…even if I smelt like a bowl of boiling hot dog feces. But then again…if they were the last shop in the world, they wouldn’t be able to stock up on wholesale soap.

    Their “I make soap” picture…seriously?!?! They use the same picture for their lotion listings…ummm, I don’t make soap or lotion, but I’m pretty sure they aren’t the same process. Now…if it were a picture of them chopping up a log of soap with a Natural Wholesale bag beside it, then yes..completely believable.

  162. LCM June 6, 2011 at 12:12 pm #

    I’ve made soap a few times and I will say that picture does look like someone really did just make a batch of soap. However that doesn’t prove they are making what they sell. Those links posted above seem pretty incriminating.

  163. DB June 6, 2011 at 1:54 pm #

    Oh, look. Their favorite dude, who models all their copyright infringed clothing can also be found here:

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/73754385/apple-macintosh-logo-t-shirt-kelly-green
    http://www.amazon.com/American-Apparel-Cotton-T-Shirt-ASPHALT/dp/B004ZBIZPC/ref=sr_1_75?s=apparel&qlEnable=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1307391099&sr=1-75

    Christine Hull of Elysian Organics and M Theory Clothing – just because the shirt is American Apparel does not mean you can steal their photos.

  164. RSommers June 6, 2011 at 10:13 pm #

    Is there anything anyone can really do about Elsian and the other store? I mean it’s ridiculous. I had no idea about this reselling idea till tonight. I’m shocked and annoyed. I mean be creative! Make your own products and take your own pictures or at least own the rights to them. Also Apple, NASA and J.K Rowling might be the least bit peeved if they knew someone else was making money of their brand…

  165. Trista June 7, 2011 at 9:46 am #

    That makes me so angry. M Theory is on the FP all the time with that stolen picture.

  166. Susie June 7, 2011 at 9:21 pm #

    OMG, this is exactly what EstateEclectic does in vintage: blatantly ripping off High Street Market’s photo composition, items, descriptions, shop announcement, newsletter and even the About Me section! I know High Street sells a lot of fake vintage items, but c’mon, you can’t come up with any of that yourself, EstateEclectic?

  167. Curious June 8, 2011 at 5:38 am #

    Okay, so I’ve read all of this and it all seems super incriminating so then I searched for Elysian Organics in hopes that this would be at the top of the Google search thus leading other consumers right to it (this is number four on page one by the way) and I came across this that they posted.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/mtheoryclothing#p/u

    I don’t make soap myself but this looks pretty legit to me. Anyone out there who makes soap have some thoughts? I am all for outing anyone being dishonest, being an Etsy seller myself I would love to remove all fraud so customers can find me faster! But, I also don’t want us to be attacking someone who is actually working hard.

    Thoughts?

  168. JW June 8, 2011 at 5:56 am #

    still doesn’t change the fact that they copied someones photo styling, stole someones photos (when they were a knit shop) and they don’t have a single original idea in their t-shirt shop. They’re just shady. They can do all the videos they want, I will never buy from them.

  169. em June 8, 2011 at 6:31 am #

    huh. I don’t make soap, but it does look legit to me.

    Now, why couldn’t they have just come out with that instead of trying to rip us all a new one? lol

  170. Abi June 8, 2011 at 6:37 am #

    I am sorry, but the tentative manner for which he is making the soap leads me to believe its his first time making it. An experienced soap maker moves with a certainty, a fluidity that he just does not have.

    Some signs of this being his first batch of soap ever:

    1. The way the lye is poured into the oils, like he is afraid it is going to splatter everywhere.
    And no one stirs their lye into their oils that way with a spatula. You just pour the lye in and start mixing with your stick blender.

    2. He has the pot practically hanging off the counter in part 8. Then picks the entire pot up to mix. Seriously, what a joke. I am surprised he did not hurt himself and drop the pot.

    3. It really should not have taken that long either to mix a Lemon Poppyseed soap and pour it into a mold. The soap is much too traced and thick to pour evenly (another sign of a novice soap maker making his first batch.) An experienced soap maker knows exactly when their soap has traced properly.

    4. The recipe is much too large for the mold. Does he not know how to calculate the recipe size to fit his mold? Any experienced soap maker knows how much their mold can handle.

    5. Who on earth uses that kind of tool to bevel their soap? The soaps in their shop are not beveled, they all have sharp square edges. Yet in this video he bevels his log with a rudimentary home improvement tool.

    I smell a rat.

  171. Curious June 8, 2011 at 6:44 am #

    Thanks for that insight Abi! They are a pretty new soap shop so that could explain the novice in technique. I am curious to see what others think.

    I am NOT at all negating any of the statements made about the photo idea stealing and copyright infringement in their T-shirt shop. Just want to make that clear lol, I just think there is a big difference between photo idea stealing and the reselling of wholesale logs. As a seller I would be PISSED if someone stole my photos and ideas but lying to consumers about the product is definitely worse for sure!

  172. JW June 8, 2011 at 7:03 am #

    of course, reselling is much worse. But, this call out was originally for the photo styling. It was because of all their shadiness that people started to suspect they were resellers. The videos are probably proof enough for Etsy, but it’s obvious to me they made the videos just for us naysayers. The attitude she has in the videos while talking is just the icing on the cake.

  173. Curious June 8, 2011 at 7:06 am #

    oh, I didn’t even listen to the sound because I am at work right now lol! Is it bad? Hopefully not the shining professionalism she displayed here in her comments!

  174. JW June 8, 2011 at 7:20 am #

    parts 1, 5, 6, 14 and 17 are my favs. It looks like Etsy asked them to make the video. And they don’t seem very happy about it.

  175. Dee June 8, 2011 at 8:08 am #

    I defer to the soapmaking expert who says they look like they’re making their very first batch ever. Question is will Etsy be fooled? Sad to say, they will probably have to accept this “proof”.

  176. SH June 8, 2011 at 3:46 pm #

    If Etsy really wants solid proof that Elysian’s soaps are handmade, they would probably do better asking for copies of receipts for raw materials. She has several scents in stock, meaning she should also have a bunch of receipts to back up every single bar she’s cut.. Like any business, we have to have those for tax purposes.

  177. sara June 8, 2011 at 6:24 pm #

    I’ve always thought that the best way to verify sellers would be receipts of raw materials over the last 6 months or year or whatever.

  178. Kick The Can June 8, 2011 at 8:47 pm #

    I’ve never heard anyone so boooored with their craft or so resentful of having to demonstrate. Whenever anyone has wanted to see what I do I drag them into my studio and keep demonstrating long after their eyes have glazed over and the spittle has dried in their mouths. I can talk shop day and night. These two act like they’re having to sit through a week of talks on geomorphology. Blah blah blah yawn snore

    I’ll also bet the videos are in short snippets so they can keep looking at the YouTube video tutorials from other people on how to make soap.

  179. em June 9, 2011 at 12:53 pm #

    Thanks for your input, Abi! Those are great observations that obviously, a non-soap maker can’t pick up on 🙂

    And like Kick the Can mentioned.. I too wondered why the videos were cut up into so many pieces. Seems it would be easier to do the whole thing in one go, unless you have reason to stop – such as having no clue what you are doing!

    I don’t know, it’s not like Etsy is going to shut them down. I bet Elysian Organics will be on the front page before the week is over.

  180. Dee June 9, 2011 at 2:06 pm #

    Unfortunately you’re probably right Em. Etsy is inundated with resellers, some of them making a lot of money.

  181. Sydney June 9, 2011 at 2:30 pm #

    Kick The Can said,

    I’ll also bet the videos are in short snippets so they can keep looking at the YouTube video tutorials from other people on how to make soap.

    _________________________

    I was just going to say, I wonder if they are in short segments so they can stop and read directions!

  182. Sydney June 9, 2011 at 2:44 pm #

    And a question for EO –

    Should you be mixing Lye in with a metal whisk? Or a metal bowl?

  183. Dee June 9, 2011 at 3:27 pm #

    They’ll have to check on that and get back to you!

  184. REALsoapmaker June 9, 2011 at 6:47 pm #

    I am a soamaker and I agree with Abi. Also, I found the terminology odd. Soapmakers don’t refer to molds as “forms” and when she was talking about the process itself, it didn’t seem as though she knew what to call the Trace. I watch ALOT of soapmaking video as well as making my own. Her movements did not flow with the ease and fluidity of an experienced soapmaker. I mean you never know but still looks fishy to me…

  185. Kim June 10, 2011 at 8:56 am #

    Elysian Organics

    I did a google search for your company and I found this forum (which comes up 4th on the list). Wow. Not a great image of you and your company.

    You really need to remember what you post on the internet in a public forum may have a negative impact on your business. Your posts don’t really help you look credible at all.

  186. hum June 10, 2011 at 2:15 pm #

    Call me cynical, but y’know, it IS etsy and coaching and lax rules and well, just plain slovenly enforcement….

    Who’s to say that what they’re showing in the videos is actually what they’re selling? Seeing as how etsy lets resellers slide a looooooooooong way as long as they toss in a few legit items.

    If I had no integrity and was jumping on the ole make-a buck etsy bandwagon, that’s what I’d do. On second thought, nah… it’s much to stressful to be dishonest.

    Speaking or spectacular organic meltdowns with no class and lots of frothing at the mouth: raise your hand if you remember the spectacularly bad organic beauty thread – jeepers! she was a doozy!!

  187. REALsoapmaker June 13, 2011 at 5:14 am #

    The soap in that video was made using the Cold Process method. The soap that they sell in the shop is made using the Hot Process method. NOT the same at all.

  188. Curious June 13, 2011 at 9:56 am #

    Everyone say it with me now, “Elysian Organics is a hot mess!” Hopefully others will find this forum and it will deter them from buying. I get all of my soaps on Etsy from lifesoapsimple.etsy.com They make amazing products and are legit- she is always willing to explain and show proof of her process.

  189. Dee June 13, 2011 at 10:21 am #

    I’m familiar with LifeSoapSimple! Amazing products. I bet she also has receipts for raw materials to back up proof of her products!

  190. kitty June 29, 2011 at 9:31 am #

    Well, it appears that Prunella has Etsy’s stamp of approval!
    http://www.etsy.com/blog/en/2011/featured-seller-prunella/?ref=fp_featured

    What a nice end to an ugly chapter. Congratulations to Prunella. Featured Seller couldn’t happen to a better Etsyian!

    (and when I googled Elysian Organics, this entry was still front and center on the first page of results!)

  191. LaLa June 29, 2011 at 10:14 pm #

    I would say that Etsy has spoken loud and clear here. In my opinion ElysianOrganics / Elysian Organics Soaps is literally garbage.

  192. Curious June 30, 2011 at 10:50 am #

    So happy to see Prunella’s soaps featured on the front page today!

  193. Nellei July 25, 2011 at 10:28 pm #

    Spa Goddess is a reseller,

    90% of her products are purchased from http://www.essentialwholesale.com/ all she does is package them for individually re sale – and her shower steamers are made by http://www.ilovecerise.com/

    She dose not even scent them herself – But I guess you can call that hand assembled and that is allowed on Etsy!

  194. Totally put off August 6, 2011 at 2:08 pm #

    I came across EO when searching for things in my local area. The FIRST THING I noticed was that they stole their photo styling and packaging ideas from Prunella. I’m glad I googled them…I sure as hell won’t be buying anything from these dipshits. As an amateur soapmaker who has serious love for the craft, I’m really really disgusted. Plus, I try not to buy things from crazy narcissists.

  195. Allison August 9, 2011 at 9:14 am #

    I’m so happy I googled EO before buying on Etsy.

    So what’s a handmade soap-lover to do? How can I buy handmade soaps without doing hours of research online, comparing photos & descriptions & ingredients?

  196. kitten August 9, 2011 at 2:46 pm #

    @ Allison: There was a seller who used to sell on Etsy – Haunt. FABULOUS – her products are in such high demand and she would only open for a short time (a span of 5 days or so) and would sell out almost immediately.

    She now has a shop on Big Cartel – I think to save on seller fees.

    I just went by recommendation from a forum thread that asked which seller sells the most per day (or something like that). Her packaging is absolutely stunning – the whole package is put together as if it were a fancy gift – she usually gives a free gift (and it’s a nice item too).

    I am addicted to her sugar scrub, but tried a few of her bars and they too are WONDERFUL! My most favorite scent for sugar scrub is GLOAMING. Golden Pumpkin and Winter House are equally as nice, but Gloaming just gives you that “weak in the knees feeling” when you smell it. (hard to describe, lol).

    I’ve tried other sellers on Etsy and most were great (except my little problemo with KBShimmer), but Haunt blows every one of them out of the water. I’m just sorry she doesn’t sell all year long.

    If you’re interested in checking her out – her blog is http://hauntsoap.blogspot.com/ and you can also sign up for her newsletter which will alert you when she will be open. I think she is opening for fall in September, but you have to be there when she opens. She will give you a date and time, and it’s usually late, like 9pmEST or so which is nice. She has a huge amount of fanatical fans and after you try her, you will definitely understand why. Check her Etsy feedback – if she got a bad fb, it was mostly for wait because she was so backed up. She now makes things ahead of time and keeps trying to tweak her selling technique to give the customer the least amount of wait possible. (She wraps things beautifully, nothing is just thrown in a box, so I do understand why it takes so long – but well worth the wait).

    If you can’t wait until September, on Etsy I’ve bought from DaisyCakeSoaps and was pleased. I’ve also bought a few things from Savor and I don’t like her bar soap at all (looked pretty, but awful as a soap). Now I did try some Savor scrubs/butters at Christmas and I like them, A LOT! I also found a another seller (from Etsy’s blog – had a video showing them making the soap) = I think the name is BrownRiceFamily and their bar soap was really nice.

    I’d rather smell than buy soap from elysianorganics. 😦
    Unethical, cheat, fraud, sham, just an absolutely HORRID seller.

  197. Allison August 9, 2011 at 4:28 pm #

    Kitten, thanks for the detailed response. I have signed up for Haunt’s newsletter.

  198. kitten August 9, 2011 at 9:43 pm #

    You’re welcome Allison! I do think you’ll love Haunt’s products and customer service. (she also promptly refunds shipping overages – I bought over $200. worth last time and she gave me free shipping which I wasn’t expecting.) Also love her Lust lip stuff. In the past her lip balms were packaged in a cute little heavy muslin bag stamped with a crow or something that complements her shop branding.

    Last order as a free gift I got a generous size of body gloss which was wrapped in muslin and had a wax seal holding the muslin on – very impressive because it looked so time consuming! I’m just really am thrilled with her products and the total buying experience she gives her customers.

  199. locust August 10, 2011 at 8:12 am #

    Hahahahaha, I saw the “soapmaking” picture in their Etsy listings, and can’t stop laughing!

    As a soapmaker, I can tell you this does not look like the real deal to me… especially because of that little rinky-dink bottle of canola / corn / random vegetable oil that’s on the table… sorry, if they’re selling / making that much soap, you can bet your ass they’d be buying in bulk from an actual oil supplier, not from the grocery store.

    Also, it’s way too clean. And most the the “tools” strewn about in the background have no soap residue to speak of.

    For all we know, it could be vanilla instant pudding in that mold.

    I want to smack both of their stupid ugly faces.

  200. adoringhag September 1, 2011 at 12:58 pm #

    nice call out of themselves in the forums, http://www.etsy.com/teams/7714/ideas/discuss/8841064/page/11

  201. etsycallout September 1, 2011 at 1:25 pm #

    WTF? We have never changed our links. What is in the post is the callout we were sent. What butthurt with her “poor me”.

    Funny how she thinks we are all the same person 🙂

  202. AGT September 1, 2011 at 2:28 pm #

    I’m so glad she’s brought the crazy back! I really missed her! ;P

  203. TF September 1, 2011 at 5:11 pm #

    I’m just happy they recognize that they acted like a lunatic (even if they didn’t admit it was them) PLUS their comment to coquettebath on page 14 sounded too intelligent for them, so I googled it and found it here:

    http://forums.randi.org/archive/index.php/t-106.html

    but they left off this part “…though practitioners should certainly be expected to provide evidence for their claims, just like everyone else”

  204. TF September 1, 2011 at 5:23 pm #

    June 3rd 3:32pm [comment on this site from someone calling themselves ElysianOrganics]

    “…And, tonight we make our video for Etsy of us making soap in our home using a recipe that is OUR family recipe and is for sale in our shop. How do you all know we’re not related to the big wholesale company and we know how to make small batches of the exact same soap?!!”

    So yeah…

  205. Totally put off September 30, 2011 at 8:43 pm #

    Wow, these people really are nuts. Even if they’re not resellers, they’re still pretentious douchebags. Here’s their Facebook page:

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Elysian-Organics/176251175767582?sk=wall

    Apparently they have a vendetta against Prunella. How professional.

  206. etsycallout September 30, 2011 at 9:45 pm #

    You will need to scroll down to August 24th, then you will see:

    “Everyone who has an Etsy account needs to report this shops listings for mis-tagging to Etsy NOW! She was the person who started all the trouble for Elysian Organics & now SHE is breaking Etsy rules by putting clown mask, frankenstein mask in a soap listing…cannot do that! She is just trying to get more views for Halloween and it’s manipulating Etsy. PLEASE REPORT THESE LISTINGS TO ETSY SO SHE HAS TO STOP!”

  207. kitten October 1, 2011 at 9:59 am #

    etsycallout

    You will need to scroll down to August 24th, then you will see:

    “Everyone who has an Etsy account needs to report this shops listings for mis-tagging to Etsy NOW! She was the person who started all the trouble for Elysian Organics & now SHE is breaking Etsy rules by putting clown mask, frankenstein mask in a soap listing…cannot do that! She is just trying to get more views for Halloween and it’s manipulating Etsy. PLEASE REPORT THESE LISTINGS TO ETSY SO SHE HAS TO STOP!”
    _________________________________________

    Prunella’s listings are totally allowed and extremely clever. Thanks for pointing those out, will certainly add those in my Halloween treasuries.

    Why doesn’t elysianorgnaics just copy Prunella? It’s not as if they have morals, their whole shop is a sham. Must not be able to find any little masks to buy. LOL

    Elysianorgnaics has absolutely NO business being on Etsy. Go away shitty reseller.

  208. bobbysawks November 3, 2011 at 11:00 pm #

    Hello there. So Elysian Organics is copying Prunella Soaps. Is Herbivore Botanicals copying Elysian Organics or Prunella Soaps? Are they related by any chance?

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/HerbivoreBotanicals

    This is extremely informative. Thank you.

  209. JW November 4, 2011 at 4:10 am #

    Looks like Herbivore is copying a little of Rocky Top, as well.
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/RockyTopSoapShop?ref=seller_info

    Just no originality.

  210. Marty November 4, 2011 at 11:02 am #

    As a soapmaker myself there are only so many ways to wrap a bar of soap, I don’t see that Herbivore is copying Rocky Top but more so copying Prunella Soaps and we all know that, Elysian Organics is copying Prunella and Elysian Organics is a fraud and dose not even make her own products/soap just like spa goddess who is also a reseller.

    But I have my doubts about how much the consumer really cares anymore… after all look a Dennis Anderson and all the melt and pour soap that sell for him and his stuff is all made from a premade base other then his hot process soaps and the only reason he makes those is because his local farmers market would not let him sell his premade base soaps.

    So the bottom line is people for the most think they are buying real hand made products when they are not! they don’t care and buy what they want….

  211. herbivorebotanicals December 22, 2011 at 10:59 pm #

    Wow, actually Elysian Organics is copying MY listings.

    Every time I come up with a new listing…there they are right on my trail…

    Case in point…earlier this month I created this product and listing:

    http://www.etsy.com/transaction/67110441

    Today I logged on to find this:

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/89111791/6-mens-organic-vegan-soap-samples-2-oz

    For Christmas I posted these items:

    http://www.etsy.com/transaction/66854138

    http://www.etsy.com/transaction/66761609

    http://www.etsy.com/transaction/63464358

    and within a week or so Elysian posts these:

    http://www.etsy.com/transaction/63844488

    http://www.etsy.com/transaction/63788866

    I believe Elysian Organics is not even organic and may be reselling soaps. I have no proof of either one but do know they are immature, aggressive and copy my listings relentlessly…

    I will continue to post on here whenever they directly copy an item of mine, just so you can all be up to date! : )

  212. Trish January 15, 2012 at 6:32 pm #

    Wow…I’m so disappointed to read some of these comments. I am a handmade soaper with a shop on etsy, and I’m really sad to see that some of the most highly respected shops are actually resellers. I work very hard to make sure I use quality ingredients and turn out a great product. There is no way that I could sell my soap for $1.80 a bar, which tells me that these resellers are selling a very VERY inferior product at the same price that I am selling my high quality soaps.

    My shop is only a year old, so I constantly feel buried by some of these people that have been called out here, and now I know why…they cheat. I’m really upset that this is going on because I make a serious effort to create a great product and I have to compete with people who are unscrupulous and sell an inferior resell product.

    This means I have to work twice as hard to prove that my product is what I say it is, because theirs isn’t. It’s infuriating.

  213. Surprised and Upset February 19, 2012 at 10:12 pm #

    I just wanted to post that ElysianOrganics is now off of Etsy with no warning. I have been a repeat customer of their’s and even brought them additional friends as business who were also repeat customers. I shouldn’t say “theirs” because the show is really being run by Christine. Marty is just for decoration.

    There was no warning and no conversation to repeat customers who have a frequent dialogue with Christine. In Googling their business name (to find them so I could buy more soap), not only did I learn that they were going to be launching their own website by what was written on Facebook, but I also found this site.

    I am so disappointed. I don’t know what’s worse, being lied to about a product or being lied to as a person. Their products are clearly not their own. I really loved their soap, too. I was surprised to read about all of their copying….it’s disgusting.

    For the amount of dialogue I had with Christine, I can attest that this is her writing on here with that language. What a pity. I really feel dirty now. Ironic that a soap company would make you feel dirty, isn’t it?

    After talking with my husband, we’re just going to start making our own soap. At least that’s honest.

    What a shame, ElysianOrganics….but knowing you, Chrisitne, you probably could give a crap. You’re just interested in the bottom line.

    I wonder if they make another Etsy shop to peddle their reseller soap? That would make sense, wouldn’t it?

  214. kitten February 19, 2012 at 10:24 pm #

    Surprised and Upset

    I just wanted to post that ElysianOrganics is now off of Etsy with no warning.
    ____________________

    Awesome, Etsy finally took out the trash!

  215. Elysian Organics February 24, 2012 at 8:42 pm #

    We apologize for not giving any of our customers any notice 🙂 However, if we were to convo customers through Etsy and let them know of our new off Etsy site, if we ever wished to go back to Etsy (which we are hoping we won’t have to) we might not be allowed for breaking the giving an off Etsy site link to a customer on Etsy.

    We’re not sure why people think that Marty is not involved in the business. As we have stated in various interviews on blogs, this operation could never operate without two people being devoted to it.

    To those who still insist that our product is not made by us, we do not know what to say anymore. We are a 100% handmade company and we have very satisfied customers. Our sales numbers and our feedback on Etsy spoke for itself.

    We’re sorry that people feel the need to still attack us and make false accusations about us. We ourselves had made attempts and have had many personal friends and family attempt to defend us. They have all stated for the record that we are a 100% handmade company, but unfortunately, none of ours and none of their posts ever seem to get posted on this site. Any of the posts that were “supposedly” made by us were not us.

    We are super excited to have our own online product selling site at http://www.elysianorganics.com and we are also going to be focusing on art fairs and craft shows, as we would love to be outside more and have more face to face interaction with wonderful people!

    Etsy is just not a selling venue that we could stand behind and want to participate in anymore given their special “popular shop only” front page and algorithm tricks scams. We were very vocal about that for quite some time in the Etsy forums and when we discovered their new algorithm trick they were using for organic soap companies, it was the final straw. We honestly think Etsy does not promote all their customers and it’s really sad and extremely unfair.

    Also, we were tired of all the Etsy fees…LOL! .20 to renew for selling a bar of soap is extreme and for anyone smaller prices items can surely agree!

    We hope that at some point, this nastiness stops and we can all just let each other go about their lives peacefully.

    Thanks!
    Peace,
    Marty & Christine
    Elysian Organics
    http://www.elysianorganics.com

  216. Seriously folks March 6, 2012 at 9:13 am #

    Oh, puh-leeeze! They were given the boot. The only nastiness is that this shop is perpetuating a fraud on the public (and loyal customers who don’t know enough to research the soap-making process) by claiming to make from scratch organic soaps. Their video was woefully staged. If they were legitimate, they would most certainly keep an etsy shop open in order to beef up their web presence for mere pennies.

    A sale is a sale is a sale.

  217. Mary Smith March 9, 2012 at 7:16 pm #

    Really Elysian Organics, Really????? Since when is there organic coconut EO – much less all the other crap you mention as organic in your products – and all the medical claims you continue to make are not legal perhaps you should just be reported to the FDA for making all the false claims you make about your products.

    Are you a licensed cosmetic manufacture? and making the crap you make your kitchen? have your products been tested….. can you provide documented information on your products – do you have batch numbers?

    You are your own worst enemy and anyone that does make it themselves know the laws! You are and always will be a re seller –

    Oh and you web site sucks – cutting and pasting from ETSY

  218. frogstar June 1, 2012 at 12:58 pm #

    “There was no warning and no conversation to repeat customers who have a frequent dialogue with Christine. In Googling their business name (to find them so I could buy more soap), not only did I learn that they were going to be launching their own website by what was written on Facebook, but I also found this site.”

    Eh, get over it and google them, they have their own website. Which is where they belong.

  219. frogstar June 1, 2012 at 12:58 pm #

    oh wait sorry. reading comprehension fail.

  220. elysianorganics June 26, 2012 at 8:34 am #

    elysianorganics.com She closed her shop so that her past transgressions wouldn’t show. She has now opened her own website elysianorganics.com.

    Nowhere on that site does it say that THEY elysianorganics.com MAKE THE SOAP THEMSELVES.

    Again, they elysianorganics.com were (still are) buying wholesale product, repackaging and claiming it as their own when they were on Etsy.

    Etsy fell for it, and for those fake videos they posted.

    Amazing lack of integrity – elysianorganics.com, – but then, that’s them continuing their dishonest life.

    Wonder what etsy would think now that elysian organics of elysianorganics.com as much as admits they don’t make their own items and was probably laughing for years.

    Thanks Etsy, again, for continuing to support resellers!

    If you haven’t seen it yet, elysianorganics blog is really telling in their character or lack thereof. —————————————————-

    http://www.facebook.com/ChristineLynnHull

  221. Sting Me August 10, 2012 at 5:00 pm #

    WAnted to also point out this OBVIOUS reseller, SpaGoddess aka Angel Face Botanicals
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/SpaGoddess?section_id=5364948
    See this EXACT SAME THING here
    http://www.showersteamers.com/

    and even TADA! listed reseller!
    “where to buy”
    Angelfacebotanicals.com
    who also sells them on amazon and TADA! ETSY!
    http://www.showersteamers.com/category_s/1850.htm

  222. King of Karma February 27, 2013 at 1:54 am #

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  223. King of Karma February 27, 2013 at 2:24 am #

    Shop: loveknotz = store bought socks and baby clothes that was being resold on etsy by Christine Hull while she claimed she was the maker of all items. Tons of bad feed backs from customers fig her out = Christine closed the Shop.

    Shop: MTheoryclothing = T-Shirt Shop by Christine Hull and Marty Miller. Christine was generously spreading lies and badmouthing all other successful T-Shirt Shops on etsy in every possible way that she could. Didn’t take long and also this shop of theirs left etsy.

    Shop: Elysian Organics = Christine started to sell more expensive knitted items, also these were resell and her claiming she made them all, taking orders etc. When this did not work, she started to sell soap and the HUGE thing here was that everyone on Etsy saw how she copied Prunella to 100%!! Christine wrote at the time in her shop that she had a relative that taught her Amish soapmaking and that all their recipes came from this relative.

    It’s a bit laughable to read all the stuff going on, because the people who are trying to protect this scammer don’t know what this is really all about. Christine and poor Marty can “merry christmas” all they want and show links on every site they cross, but the thing is that Christine has a pattern that will go on forever and that is being a copy cat, a badmouthing liar, a scammer, a snake, a lie spreader, a bully, and a non creative reseller. It was extra funny to read how she talks about Karma, that really got me smiling! 🙂

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