23 Jun

Just saw this shop: indirectly call herself out in this forum thread: Even though she feels qualified to comment about misunderstandings of new shop owners, she either failed to read Etsy’s policies about what is vintage on the site, doesn’t understand her “steampunked” vintage pieces are no longer vintage (where she lists them) but handmade, or doesn’t care.

Since she has actual vintage items in her shop that are properly listed, I doubt Etsy will care about her category violations…but I am calling her out anyway. Was sorely tempted to post a comment in that thread that she should review Etsy’s policies for listing vintage concerning (cough cough) UNALTERED vintage items, but it’s more fun to see if any of the forum regulars notice the issues with her shop — betcha they won’t.


32 Responses to “Vintagereawakend”

  1. Alli June 23, 2011 at 11:29 am #

    Off topic, but what is this fuckery?

    A photo of a dress, listed in the Vintage category, when it’s clearly handmade – if she even took the photo herself. It seems to be a treasury magnet, since it’s been in 66+ treasuries. It keeps popping up in my searches for a legit dress. Ugh.

    Materials: net tulle satin rayon hoop slip

    If it’s a photo, the only material should be paper and ink.

  2. Sammy June 23, 2011 at 11:47 am #

    That dress photo was called out a while back, can’t remember if it was here or Garagetsy. Of course it’s still listed after all these months. It seems the dress, when it was actually for sale, was as you said a treasury magnet and she couldn’t bear to part with the exposure.

    And this vintage shop – anyone else notice the bizarre shipping setup? Some of the items ship for free, but for $15 if shipped with something else. Huh?? And in a lot of other cases the secondary shipping is higher than the (non-$0) primary shipping cost too. I hate it when people play games with their shipping like that; it strikes me as very sleazy and deceptive. And in this case, it also seems just plain stupid – personally, if I were a customer with this shop, it would completely discourage me from buying more than one item because the shipping would turn from fair to totally unreasonable.

  3. suzi June 23, 2011 at 12:05 pm #

    Oh leave the poor girl alone…it is a nice shop. who cares is it is a little disorganized, it is not malicious.
    It really discredits this site when people go nit picking poor sellers who are just trying their best to make a living. I think her shop is cute. No harm, no foul.

  4. Life During Wartime June 23, 2011 at 12:17 pm #

    Actually, the issue of the dress photograph for sale, listed as vintage, and being in so many treasuries, is completely on topic! The typical member of the Etsy community, as well as most of the employees, have no idea what makes an item ‘vintage’ or if ‘vintage’ is simply a style/look/feel subjectively determined by the seller. All the treasury curators who include this item are promoting an item illegally on Etsy. The fact that the seller included team tags in her listing shows team members and leaders are clueless about what ‘vintage’ is as well.

    Here is a link to the transaction for the sale of the dress in the photo:

    Note that the photo for sale was NOT taken by the shop owner; the description for the dress specifies that only photos 3 through 5 were taken by the owner.

    So, not only is the photo for sale a category violation because it is listed as Vintage when it is not, but the item doesn’t belong on Etsy at all, in any category, since it is the work of some person other than the shop owner.

  5. Life During Wartime June 23, 2011 at 12:22 pm #

    Suzi, you gotta be sh#tting me!

  6. Life During Wartime June 23, 2011 at 12:29 pm #

    The called out shop has fixed their category violations — good for them!

  7. Sue June 23, 2011 at 12:33 pm #

    Hey all! Thank you for calling me out here, as crazy as this sounds, you helped me make my shop a better place to visit.. I had no idea that I was wrong on a few things now I do : )

    “Oh Yeah” (This is Not My Dress)

    Take care everyone! Off to correct my shop 🙂

    (special Thank you to Suzi)

  8. Sue June 23, 2011 at 1:43 pm #

    Vintagereawakend is my shop 🙂

    Thanks again!

  9. Alli June 23, 2011 at 4:25 pm #

    Thank you LDW, exactly.

    Suzi, it’s not the disorganization I’m complaining about, but the purposeful listing of an item neither handmade by the seller, nor vintage, expressly for treasuries and shop views. As a buyer it’s more than a little annoying.

  10. Trista June 23, 2011 at 4:42 pm #

    Alli – the dress got called out in the comments here when it made the FP:

    Can’t say I’m surprised to see it’s STILL up and Etsy has done nothing about it.

  11. Life During Wartime June 23, 2011 at 5:14 pm #

    Etsy pretty much ignores all violations relating to the vintage category. The only reports I’ve ever seen addressed are when an obvious reseller (most often shipping from Asia) lists a whole shop full of new items as Vintage. Then the items get disappeared or the shop is gone to the oopsie knitter. Otherwise, the Vintage categories can be used for listing pretty much anything.

    Listing handmade as vintage gets a pass (did everyone see the lace infested globe listed as ‘vintage’ featured on Regretsy yesterday?). Listing stuff from 1992 and newer gets a pass if at least some listings in the shop follow the TOU. If Etsy allows listings for shipping upgrades to make the FP treasury, I’m not surprised that the dress photo made the FP.

  12. kitten June 23, 2011 at 5:27 pm #

    I think I agree with Suzi, it wasn’t malicious.

    Very impressed with the way you handled yourself here Sue! Good luck and hope there’s many sales in your future!!

  13. Life During Wartime June 23, 2011 at 5:36 pm #

    More ‘vintage’ on the Etsy FP:

    Is the maker the same as Body Language Sportswear, which started selling in 2004?

  14. KooKoo June 23, 2011 at 5:46 pm #

    I am impressed with the way you handled this, Sue. Personally, I think you did not reserve any callouts, but if it helped you with your tagging, great!

    The dress person is a douchebag.

  15. Life During Wartime June 23, 2011 at 6:33 pm #

    Some questions I have for all the posters who have commented that listing non-vintage items (and altered old items are NOT vintage) in the Vintage categories is not ‘deserving of calling out’ or ‘not malicious’. Hint: listing your handmade or altered vintage item as Vintage is against the TOU!

    What should be done about these listings? Etsy ignores them, while they give Vintage on Etsy a poor reputation for authenticity and professionalism. They discourage collectors from shopping on Etsy. Is it okay for handmade sellers to chuck their stuff under Vintage, and then say they are innocent but ignorant because they never bothered to read the Dos and Don’ts or the TOU? Maybe the resellers are all innocent but ignorant, too, and not malicious or deserving of a callout? Or do you think the rules should be looser for vintage, and unless you’re a Chinese reseller with a shop full of fakes you should be allowed to list as you please while getting complimented on your cute shop? Is it my imagination here, or is there a huge double standard?

    I think a lot of resellers have cute shops, too. A lot of shoppers agree with me, considering the number of sales resellers make.

  16. Sue June 23, 2011 at 8:09 pm #

    Thank you KooKoo & kitten : ) I think this forum has got off track… I am not sure where it is going. I have since changed my listings… ugh.. took a while too, but I did it!!

    If anyone checks my listings out again, it would be much appreciated & helpful to me to point out any more mistakes ~ it really helps me 🙂 Have a wonderful Friday!

    Thank you again,

  17. Life During Wartime June 23, 2011 at 8:23 pm #

    Sue, in case you haven’t read it, there’s a black bar at the top of this blog (which I do not own btw) which says “Calling out blatant mistaggers, resellers, and other hot topics since admin won’t let us.” This is blog owner’s caption for what her blog is about.

  18. Sue June 23, 2011 at 8:42 pm #

    Ahh.. I see however, I do not understand why my shop was pointed out? I am glad it was though, it helped. I do understand about the resellers here from Asian countries, it is sad they are not thrown off of etsy yet, etsy makes a lot of money off of them, so, nothing is going to be done, we just have to go on and continue to do what we are all doing, that is, trying to earn a living, having fun & meeting other wonderful creative people here.
    Best wishes to all here!

  19. etsyhate June 23, 2011 at 9:30 pm #

    Sue, I’m glad you changed your listings. But we aren’t here to point out your mistakes. (Well, actually we are… but we shouldn’t have to be.) That is your responsibility. Read the Terms of Use for Etsy, and follow the rules, like a grown up business person. If you need help join a critique team. Mistagged items make it hard to search and make Etsy look like a yard sale.

  20. Sammy June 23, 2011 at 11:03 pm #

    Sue, I applaud your attitude.

  21. MegansBeadedDesigns June 24, 2011 at 7:55 am #

    Sue, you are wonderful. Kudos.

  22. you suck June 24, 2011 at 9:52 am #

    Sue your photograph is still listed in Vintage so…not applauding you

  23. you suck June 24, 2011 at 9:53 am #

    oh oh my bad thought sue was the photograph dress owner

  24. Life During Wartime June 24, 2011 at 10:24 am #

    Sue sez: “I do understand about the resellers here from Asian countries, it is sad they are not thrown off of etsy yet, etsy makes a lot of money off of them, so, nothing is going to be done, we just have to go on and continue to do what we are all doing, that is, trying to earn a living, having fun & meeting other wonderful creative people here.”

    Bzzzt! Thank you for playing, but the reality is that many of the most successful reseller shops on Etsy ship from the good ol’ USA. Asia is the manufacturing center of the planet right now, so most of the reseller items are made there — only because so much consumer directed mass manufacturing happens there. The Asian reseller shops, like the one called out above, pinkyourlimb, make money for Etsy by selling thousands of inexpensive pieces. US resellers also make money for Etsy by selling hundreds of items each priced 20 to 30 times the average price of pinkyourlimb’s jewelry. From what has been called out here, and comments about which shops are closed or have their items disappeared, Etsy is far more likely to close an Asian reseller than a reseller from America.

    There are many varieties of deceptive selling practices on Etsy, and resellers shipping from an Asian country are only one of the many site integrity issues.

  25. Life During Wartime June 24, 2011 at 2:41 pm #

    It’s Fauxtique Week on the Etsy Front Page!

    Another category violation:

    And this isn’t the only handmade item in the shop listed as ‘vintage’.

    But of course “Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence. –Napoleon Bonaparte”

  26. Whisperia June 25, 2011 at 8:42 am #

    Yup, I’m still confused by the listing for the blue dress. First the dress was listed, but for $0.20 and was marked “not for sale.” Then the listing was changed to be for a photo of the dress, and the price raised to $20, but no information about the actual photo was added to the listing (i.e. nothing about print sizes, or what type of paper, or which of the five photos you’d get, etc.). Now at least print sizes have been added, but there is still no info about the type of paper it’s printed on, if it’s a matte or glossy finish, what type of ink is used, etc. And if it’s just the first two photos that are for sale, what are those other three doing there? This listing is still just treasury bait.

  27. TootieSkates June 26, 2011 at 12:30 pm #

    Those black shoes are not vintage 80s. A simple google search reveals they are a brand under Steve Madden that was created in 1999. Do your research.

  28. TootieSkates June 26, 2011 at 12:36 pm #

    I would venture to guess that the white and silver platforms are not 80s either.

  29. KultureSnob June 26, 2011 at 4:08 pm #

    The chair back jewelry holder is just plain Butt Ugly. Belongs on Regretsy.

  30. Sue June 27, 2011 at 6:55 pm #

    TootieSkates, thank you for pointing this out to me, will do my research as you suggested ~

  31. TootieSkates June 29, 2011 at 6:49 am #

    Why not take the items down while you do? Why risk negative feedback from a cusomter who buys them based on your false listing?

  32. Life During Wartime June 29, 2011 at 10:36 am #

    And more on the front page:

    The words ‘artisan designed’ in the title kinda suggest this is not an unaltered vintage item. Why don’t these artists want to own their work? Especially when it is so nicely done, like this item?

    “Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence. –Napoleon Bonaparte”

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