nommon

8 Aug

I can’t even tell you how many times I’ve flagged this one shop for placing her clearly handmade listings in the vintage category:

http://www.etsy.com/shop/nommon?ref=seller_info

Results in this search:
Antique/ Book/ Page/ Print show results for nommon’s bogus vintage shop over and over again:
http://www.etsy.com/search/vintage?search_submit=&q=antique+book+page+print&ord...
Clearly this stunt gets her lots more views and sales tucked into a much slower moving category than handmade..

(also most of those other listings in this same search are not remotely antique either, but I digress.)

This search shows similar results with different violating shops.
http://www.etsy.com/search/vintage?search_submit=&q=dictionary+page+print&order...

Please take a moment to let these sellers know about Etsy’s TOU on vintage goods please?

There are 2421 listings for PDFs in the vntage category.
http://www.etsy.com/search/vintage?search_submit=&q=pdf&order=date_desc&view_ty...
and there are 1976 listings in vintage for downloads.
http://www.etsy.com/search/vintage?search_submit=&q=download&order=date_desc&vi...

Go take a look

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25 Responses to “nommon”

  1. Nettiepot August 8, 2011 at 4:13 pm #

    My favorite ditty in this listing is this part;

    About this item

    Vintage Handmade by nommon in the 1800s

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/74608361/retro-elephant-butterfly-our-original?ref=v1_other_2

    She made it herself in the 1800s? Does that mean that she’s a Vampire?

  2. Life During Wartime August 8, 2011 at 5:06 pm #

    The garbage in the ‘About this item’ attribute saying it is ‘Vintage Handmade by (seller) in the 1800s’ is the result of a logical error in the Etsy listing software that takes the answers a seller selects from the 6 drop-down boxes on the new listing form to create the About attribute. The seller has the item in the correct category, in this case Handmade-Art. But she entered the age of the book page (materials, not the item) as when she made it. So the attribute says it is vintage because it was made before 1992, by the seller, and calls it ‘Vintage Handmade’ in the attribute. It should be Handmade by seller, no vintage. When a seller sellects ‘I made it’ from the drop-down, the software should not allow a ‘date made’ selection in the Vintage range without asking the seller to verify that they made the item on the date sellected.

    If Etsy has any systems analysts working for them, they should be looking at pink slips right about now. I found thses errors as soon as the new listing form was active in my shop.

  3. Life During Wartime August 8, 2011 at 5:08 pm #

    Eeek, ‘selected’ not ‘sellected’.

  4. Life During Wartime August 8, 2011 at 5:11 pm #

    Does anyone know why sometimes the Reply box will not let me page down to re-read what I typed below a certain point? I’ve tried using the arrow keys, but some days they will not work. It’s not my browser, or my computer, because it happens on this one as well as my laptop. I guess I have to type the last few lines really slowly so I don’t wind up with a load of typos. Eeek.

  5. em August 8, 2011 at 7:51 pm #

    I die a little inside when I see antique books being torn apart to make “art.”

  6. kittycats August 8, 2011 at 8:06 pm #

    I don’t know who or where to send this but I found something really weird. How is it that these three separate sellers are all selling the SAME “handmade” ring? I would have never known had it not shown up several times in my search:

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/67753732/kitty-on-fingers
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/48313680/cat-925-silver-ring
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/52644378/lazy-cat-ring-white

  7. kitten August 8, 2011 at 8:48 pm #

    I feel bad that the seller nommon was called out. Their items are in the correct category and I checked back several pages in their sold items as well. Since these attributes are fairly new, it seems maybe they are confused about this as well as a lot of other folks in the forums. If you feel so strongly about it (and Etsy isn’t listening to you), perhaps a kind convo to inform the seller might work.

  8. Life During Wartime August 8, 2011 at 9:29 pm #

    kitten, Etsy is aware of the problem, so I don’t think sending convos to sellers with wacky attributes is the way to go. I’m just not sure the techies at Etsy have the smarts to figure out 1) why this is happening and 2) how to keep sellers from dating their materials instead of the completed piece.

  9. Life During Wartime August 8, 2011 at 11:03 pm #

    More faux vintage on the FP:
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/76305564/midnight-vintage-vegan-knee-high-cuffed?ref=fp_treasury_11

    Made in China newish boots, listed as Vintage. Not well made. That handmade dunce cap is gonna wear out this week, looks like.

  10. Amy August 9, 2011 at 5:27 am #

    Just looked at the feedback for the shop mentioned by LifeDuringWartime. On page four, someone left a neutral with this:
    “Great speedy shipping. Love the bag. But upon looking at the interior, the tag read “forever 21″ so I don’t think it should have been labeled as vintage. Other than that, great transaction.”
    Yeah, a lot of their stuff seems pretty questionable (but I am not super familiar with dating vintage clothing)

  11. Life During Wartime August 9, 2011 at 9:41 am #

    Amy, I only knew they were not vintage by the stamp labels on the bottom. That, and the poor quality constructiom methods. With any footwear that says Made In China All Man Made Materials, you are looking at a recent item of discount store quality. I know because I am wearing a pair of Chinese shoes right now that I use as slippers around the house. They had stickers on the plastic bag they came in (purchased online for less than $10 — I bought 4 pairs) that had the same wording as these boots.

  12. Life During Wartime August 9, 2011 at 10:19 am #

    I took a look at the results for the downloads and PDFs at the links in the callout. Holy carp!!!

    ‘Vintage Supply Handmade’? WTF? These sellers have figured out how to game the listing form big time. This is partly Etsy’s fault for never acknowledging that so many sellers were listing items in the wrong categories, so they could not design a listing form to address misuse of the vintage category.

    With the new relevant search, Etsy also needs to address abuse of ‘vintage’ as the first word in an item title.

  13. MegansBeadedDesigns August 9, 2011 at 12:20 pm #

    This is so obviously Regretsy bait that it isn’t even funny: http://www.etsy.com/listing/40063522/real-magic-hotdog-pendant-with-necklace

    But what’s more sickening is that the seller continues to rip images off of honest DeviantArt photo manipulaters and sells it as his own. The original artist commented on an image in the seller’s deviant art gallery stating something to the effect of “I do not like that you are using my work without my permission. If you are selling these pendants then you need to offer me an adequate percentage.” Nix simply deleted the image in his deviant art gallery, but continues to sell his glass eyes in his etsy shop:

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/78690582/1-set-of-evil-yellow-green-dragon

    http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=dragon%20eye&order=9&offset=24#/d1js200

    She doesn’t have an etsy account so asked me to report the listing since he refuses to remove it. Of course, Etsy does noting about copyright infringement though…

  14. DOH! August 9, 2011 at 5:48 pm #

    I keep flagging this b/c both of this womans bare breasts are exposed…
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/77067748/milk-bath-8×10-photograph

  15. nommon August 9, 2011 at 10:23 pm #

    hi there,

    I didn’t know about category, I’m learned and changed just now,
    I did not copy any images other shops, I found them on public domain websites!
    to my knowledge.

    I use public domain images, If yourself have the right to copyright, which claimed as its own,and if it proved by a legal basis document, I immediately remove the images.

    and now; Please remove this topic, no problem for now!

    regards
    nommon

  16. sickofcupcakes August 10, 2011 at 2:44 am #

    Uh, Doh!, his entire shop is full of boobies.

  17. christine August 10, 2011 at 8:00 am #

    nommon – 99.9999% of images found on the net (unless found on non-royalty image sites) are NOT public domain, but are legally copyright protected by their respective owners. Celebrity photographers do not make their images “public domain.” EVER.
    Even celebrity images found on stock photo sites are 99% of the time marked “editorial use only.” Finding an image on the internet does not make it usable.

    As for your “to my knowledge” comment, ignorance of copyright laws does not excuse one for breaking the law.

  18. Life During Wartime August 10, 2011 at 10:47 am #

    And the handmade dunce cap for Etsy front page vetting staff comes out once again!

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/76543609/vintage-two-tone-wingtip-oxfords-size-7m?ref=fp_treasury_4

    Chinese “man made leather” shoes. Not vintage. The FootJoy history on their website says their Europa line for women was introduced in 1998. Took less than 5 minutes on google to find this.

  19. ohmeohmy August 10, 2011 at 2:58 pm #

    I just don’t get the whole idea of taking clip art which is not your own and adding it to a book page. How is this handmade except you produced a print of it.

    I can understand using your own drawing and printing it on a page.

  20. ohmeohmy August 10, 2011 at 3:00 pm #

    In fact,

    I assumed all people who did this type of art were the illustrators. Good thing I read this blog so I know not to purchase this kind of stuff. Why would I want a piece of clip art hanging on my wall?

    No intention to offend if you do this “type” of stuff.

  21. Life During Wartime August 10, 2011 at 4:55 pm #

    Printing clip art is as handmade as assembling jewelry. There are countless variations that can be produced by different clip art images on different book pages. Not my kind of thing, since I like old books for themselves, but handmade by Etsy’s standards without question. This call out isn’t about not being handmade, or about copyright violations. It’s about listing handmade items with the ‘when was it made’ as the age of a vintage material used in your work instead of the date the seller made the item — which is a sneaky way of listing handmade items to come up as both handmade AND vintage in searches.

  22. flea marketsy August 11, 2011 at 2:47 am #

    The seller being called out doesn’t put “Vintage” as their first tag so I don’t know how they are “placing her clearly handmade listings in the vintage category”?? They are tagging their item as vintage as they have every right to do under etsy’s TOU.

    Taking a vintage material and altering it = Handmade but can be tagged as vintage as long as the category (or whatever they’re calling the dropdown menu) is not selected as vintage, they’re doing what they’re supposed to.

    As for dating their item from the “1800’s,” that is incorrect. The seller should select the date they created the altered vintage item. But some people don’t understand the new listing format.

    I don’t think the seller deserves a call out. The person who reported the seller needs to get a grip.

  23. Alli August 11, 2011 at 7:55 am #

    Another seller, trying to sell a Diane von Furstenberg purse as vintage, when it’s certainly not, and the line the clutch is from is still sold at Neimann Marcus today.

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/77120789/vintage-diane-von-furstenburg-metallic

    http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/catalog/prod.jhtml?itemId=prod128960088&ecid=NMCIGoogleBaseFeed&003=5840816&010=V0QCX&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=V0QCX

    Although, if she can get 200+ for it, I can see why she’d try.

  24. Life During Wartime August 11, 2011 at 10:04 am #

    flea marketsy, listing an item as made by the seller AND putting the date the item was made as ‘1800s’ tells the listing software the item is VINTAGE and HANDMADE BY THE SELLER both. Just like if I listed a pair of earrings I desgined and made in 1990 — I would say I made it, and I would say made in 1990-1991. The About this item attribute would say Vintage Handmade by LifeDuringWartime in 1990 — which in this example is correct, it is both 20+ year old vintage and handmade by me. And when anyone searched for vintage earrings, my item would be there, and also for searches under handmade earrings. This has nothing to do with categories or tags,

    This is a legit callout IMO. Lots of handmade items made with something vintage are being listed this way, and messing with searches for real vintage items.

  25. flea marketsy August 14, 2011 at 5:06 am #

    @Life During Wartime I didn’t see the shop before they cleared out their items so I was assuming that they were showing up in Vintage because they’re tagging their items “vintage”

    http://www.etsy.com/transaction/55572395

    This item was tagged “antique” and “vintage” as the 4th & 5th tags which is etsy legal and one reason why they’re showing up under vintage but if they are infact listing their item as made in the 1800’s, that’s shitty and an obvious why to play the system. Legitimate callout in that case.

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