sahawk2012

7 May
Etsy seller sahawk2012 has found a new twist on the usual reselling of factory-made cheap jewelry from China.  The stuff is listed in the vintage jewelry category, and drop ships from China even though the seller’s location is the USA.  So this seller is reselling, listing new items as vintage, and drop shipping — a bunch of rule breaking.  I reported them, with documentation, weeks ago yet they remain open.
Shop:
Here are a some listings from their shop, matched with links to the same items wholesale.
Note:  this item is sold out, and no longer available for sale.
These links were reported to Etsy, but failed to convince the MIT that the items were not vintage.  Or that China and Connecticut are not the same location.
But it gets even better.  The items not drop shipped from China, including listings with some serious prices, are not in the possession of the seller, sahawk2012.  The items are copied from various Ebay sellers from all around the USA, and one in Australia.  Some of the Etsy listings show items from Ebay listings no longer active., so who knows if they are available for sahawk2012 to purchase if someone buys the item from ther Etsy shop.  I also reported a dozen or so of these listings, with links to Ebay, but Etsy has left them active on the site.
Some examples:
Note copied photos.  Ebay seller is in Tacoma, Etsy seller gives location as Connecticut.
Note that Ebay seller is the artisan who made the jewelry, and listed it as “contemporary”.  Etsy copycat listing is in the Vintage category.
A shop full of dececptive listings.

21 Responses to “sahawk2012”

  1. Disgusted2 May 7, 2012 at 12:36 pm #

    This is the biggest scam we’ve seen in a long time. Have you contacted the ebay sellers being ripped off?

  2. Tasha May 7, 2012 at 12:43 pm #

    I see some items are also being shipped from Australia. I am so disgusted

  3. TheBargainBabe May 7, 2012 at 1:18 pm #

    I am reporting and tweeting!

  4. Tasha May 7, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

    I reported the store too

  5. Stiffler'sMom May 7, 2012 at 2:39 pm #

    You guys are being entirely unfair to this seller. Clearly, she hasn’t gotten her coaching email from etsy yet. Once she moves her items to handmade and clarifies her location, she will be etsy gold!!! Maybe even featured seller!

  6. Kori Houghton May 7, 2012 at 3:07 pm #

    I am not sure how the Ebay sellers are being ripped off? sahawk2012 has to purchase the item from the Ebay seller if someone purchases the item on Etsy. It’s only the buyer on Etsy who stands to get scammed since sahawk2012 doesn’t own any of these items, and so cannot complete an Etsy transaction without purchasing the stuff in their listings first.

  7. Tasha May 7, 2012 at 4:39 pm #

    Well lookie the store has been removed. Account no longer exist. He/She totally knew what they were doing. I told my friend to email her inquiring about some of her items. She received no reply. That was done hours ago. She asked the buyer how come the items are shipping from different locations.

  8. Sickofetsywhores May 7, 2012 at 6:39 pm #

    Well to be fair, West Hartford CT is scary. Maybe they are confused.

  9. Disgusted2 May 8, 2012 at 3:21 am #

    The rip-off is that some of those ebay items were handmade, and he was calling them vintage. And he stole their photos. And I kind of doubt he ever would have purchased them, it looked to me like he would have taken the etsy buyer money and run.

    So awesome the account is gone already. Kudos!

  10. offshore bank account May 8, 2012 at 2:23 pm #

    Etsy seller sahawk2012 has found a new twist on the usual reselling of factory-made cheap jewelry from China. The stuff is listed in the vintage jewelry category, and drop ships from China even though the seller’s location is the USA. So this seller is reselling, listing new items as vintage, and drop shipping — a bunch of rule breaking. I reported them, with documentation, weeks ago yet they remain open.

  11. Kori Houghton May 8, 2012 at 8:19 pm #

    Vintage hilarity on the Etsy FP:
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/17363681/2-vintage-lusterware-hatpin-holders-and?ref=fp_treasury_9

    Not hatpin holders at all, but shakers from two different condiment sets! Way too small for vintage hatpins. The holes are wrong. And hatpin holders do not have holes for refilling in the base.

  12. resellonetsy May 8, 2012 at 11:50 pm #

    I had some thoughts about the “why Etsy allows this today”, I would like others to consider or if they had the same thoughts. A lot of vendors are on Etsy because they take advantage of the lack of distinction in the rules. The are sliding through loopholes. I think that etsy is not much different. They use their own loopholes to stay in business making a lot of money. This way, they can say, see, we saw proof this seller is honest. You have to understand, you can buy or barter proof that you are a artist or craftsman in Asia. Its not hard. Let me give you a “WHAT IF”. Etsy says they want to cut down on the resellers, correct, then why don’t they put their money where their mouth is? How hard would it be to simply send a couple of their workers to Thailand to collect data, take photos, and compare photos of merchandise that is on etsy and what these investigators found in the market. Easy right? The Thailand main markets are quite do-able in just a few days. That would resolve who made what “once and for all”. My guess is that etsy has experienced people that have this kind of information already, but in reality, they don’t really want to clean their site up. China is a different deal. There is so many places to obtain merchandise, you would only find out how cheap merchandise is to find.
    This site, that has been called out twice here and changed their name trying to avoid being removed now has a Facebook site.
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/FakeGaugeOrganics
    They are trying to say that this one person with”white hands” is making these earrings?http://www.facebook.com/pages/FakeGaugeOrganics/219330314794801
    If you look at their shop, you will realize that it would take a lot of equipment to make all these different styles. In Bali where all this stuff is made, its specialized. Not only that, certain styles can only be made by a handfull of craftsmen with that kind of skill. There is not really enough information here to prove they made anything.
    The same people own this shop.
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/thaisaket
    What kind of skill and machines would it take to make all these items. I am sure these people have been reported. So, you would have to ask yourself, what kind of proof did they send etsy to show they are the makers of the merchandise. Etsy let them slide. I suspect, the right questions are still not being asked. Not just with these people, but with many people on Esty. My son commented the other day about etsy. He said he could not find any artists, where are they? Its a sad day when a person that never saw etsy can go in there and wonder where the real artists are hiding. What you see on Etsy is in fact “CLEVER MARKETING”, a way to sell you something low quality for a lot of money. The domination of larger companies selling on Etsy is the first place to start removing people.
    “Princeofdiamonds”, they should never have been defined as a group of artists. If in fact they are a group of artists and designers, then why not put Toyota on etsy? They are a group of designers and craftsmen? Right? How about software designers, they are groups of artists and craftsmen, right? Where should we draw the line?

  13. That's Good Vintage May 9, 2012 at 2:35 am #

    Um, the seller says they are shakers. She is selling them with the hatpins to create a little collection. It’s lovely and perfectly legit. Don’t care for this callout.

  14. CalloohCallay May 9, 2012 at 4:20 am #

    This one of those situations, which comes up all the time with vintage items, where experts disagree. I had originally listed these as shakers and had someone who was a huge hatpin collector write and tell me very kindly that they were hatpin holders–and I think if you do a search you’ll find that there are hatpin holders that are shorter (just as there are shorter hatpins). Here’s one example that’s 2 1/2 inches tall (though it might be mislabeled):
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nippon-Hand-Painted-Hat-Pin-Holder-/170837295868?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27c6b242fc

    Also, many hatpin holders do have holes in the base–they put sand in them or something to keep the tips sharp (or maybe cotton, to hold them in place). This is what I was told, and you can find similar examples if you do a search.

    Now I’m not an expert and could be wrong (along with the person who advised me, and many others listing things on the Internet). I wasn’t able to find anything definitive, which is why the listing says these could be shakers. In any event, this is more than just “vintage hilarity”–it’s a possible mistake based on a fair amount of research on my own and some advice from experts. I’ll look into it some more though–thanks for the tip, Kori.

  15. EtsyVigilante May 9, 2012 at 5:42 am #

    Very unnecessary call out. Whatever they are, they ARE vintage and are beautifully and creatively presented.

  16. Kori Houghton May 9, 2012 at 8:18 am #

    I guess for Etsy ‘creatively presented’ is the key. When I looked at the FP signing out, they were clearly condiment shakers, even from the small photo in the treasury. Just FYI, no one was called out for any type of rule-breaking over this. I realize there is no rule against titles and tags that creatively present items for sale. Never said the items weren’t vintage. And I am still laughing about the thought of storing metal hatpins in a former salt shaker.

  17. Sickofetsywhores May 9, 2012 at 4:51 pm #

    There was clearly no callout. Don’t get your vintage panties in a wad.

  18. glitzglitter May 11, 2012 at 8:08 am #

    Ring a ding ding, isn’t it funny how all of these shops seem to have the exact same rings and bangles and for such a great price? Regardless of how much work it would be if they actually were making them. And isn’t it funny that you can find these by the truckload at any gem show?

    this one

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/OhKuol/search?search_query=ring&search_submit=&search_type=user_shop_ttt_id_5638853&shopname=OhKuol

    and this one

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/delezhen/search?search_query=ring&search_submit=&search_type=user_shop_ttt_id_6120089&shopname=delezhen

    and this shop

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/SMVdesigns/search?search_query=ring&search_submit=&search_type=user_shop_ttt_id_5672929&shopname=SMVdesigns

    and this shop

    http://www.etsy.com/shop/finegemstone/search?search_query=ring&search_submit=&search_type=user_shop_ttt_id_6539605&shopname=finegemstone

    and this shop
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/OliveYewJewels/search?search_query=ring&search_submit=&search_type=user_shop_ttt_id_6303224&shopname=OliveYewJewels

    and this shop
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/Studio1980/search?search_query=ring&order=date_desc&view_type=gallery&ref=shop_search

    and this shop
    http://www.etsy.com/shop/Invitrus?ga_search_query=gold+vermeil+ring&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_ship_to=US&ga_min=0&ga_max=0&ga_page=2&ga_search_type=handmade&ga_facet=handmadegold+vermeil+ring&ref=sr_gallery_17

    here are some places to order on alibaba

    http://india.alibaba.com/country/products_india-gold-plated-bezel-setting-silver-gemstone-rings.html

    and on ebay

    http://stores.ebay.com/925silvergemstonejewelry/_i.html?rt=nc&_sid=1047852494&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1581&_pgn=2

  19. PussDaddyBlogs (@PussDaddyBlogs) May 14, 2012 at 7:45 pm #

    I know CalloohCallay to be an honest seller and if she ever makes a mistake it would be just that-a mistake-and she would admit it and rectify it. Why are people like you, sickofetsywhores, so nasty when you guys make a mistake calling out here? It makes you (and this site) look, well, quite bitchy IMHO. Try posting in your real name if you think people enjoy being mistakenly called out in their real names. You could take some lessons from the CalloohCallays of the world IMHO.

  20. Isay I say May 16, 2012 at 9:32 am #

    Pot meets kettle!

    *wiping away tears*

  21. PussDaddyBlogs (@PussDaddyBlogs) May 16, 2012 at 10:49 pm #

    I post in the same name all the time.

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