veronicacolindres

5 Jun

On the topic of Ecologica Maliballs, there’s a very interesting seller who got front page today…

Etsy listing:
http://www.etsy.com/listing/100058888/romantic-white-hammock-handmade-of

Same item on their site (note the selling thousands of these, comment):
http://www.masayamarket.net/2012/02/14/white-hammock/

“Our company has 15 employees”:
http://www.masayamarket.net/about-us/

Identical hammock for sale at WALMART!
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Large-Grand-Caribbean-Nicaraguan-Hammock-with-Spreader-Bar-and-Fringe/19887809

Edit to add:

http://www.hammocks.com/hammocks/hand-woven-hammocks/largenicaraguangrandcaribbeanspreaderbarhammockfringe.cfm

http://www.myhammock.com/products.asp?cat=11

http://www.seasidehammocks.com/NICARAGUAN-HAMMOCKS-c1.html

http://www.amazon.com/Caribbean-Nicaraguan-Hammock-Spreader-Fringe/dp/B003K0LYVG

http://www.houzz.com/photos/937689/Nicaraguan-Hammocks-Large-Grand-Caribbean-Nicaraguan-Hammock-with-Spreader-Bar-a-mediterranean-hammocks-

http://www.wayfair.com/Outer-Banks-Hammocks-Nicaraguan-Rope-Hammock-Chair-NHC-OB1023.html

Oh look! Alibaba! http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/nicaraguan-hammocks.html

http://www.shopzilla.com/hammocks-stands/nicaraguan+hammock/100001548/products

http://www.seasidehammocks.com/NICARAGUAN-HAMMOCKS-sp42.html

166 Responses to “veronicacolindres”

  1. Wolf June 5, 2012 at 12:19 pm #

    Not a single one of the hammocks they list are handmade.

    http://www.masayamarket.net/category/hammocks/

    Wow, we may have a runner up to the Baligate fiasco!

  2. Starlytte June 5, 2012 at 12:35 pm #

    And this just does not count as “handmade”: “All hammocks are hand made by Nicaraguan artisans”

  3. Starlytte June 5, 2012 at 12:38 pm #

    And this is at the top of their Etsy site now: Buy 100% Handmade Hammocks, HandWoven Nicaraguan Hammocks We Are A Collective Shop Of 4 People You Are Welcome To View Are Profile Information.

    Was that there before?

  4. Wolf June 5, 2012 at 12:42 pm #

    @Starlytte It was when I first looked at it before I went a googling.

  5. TheBargainBabe June 5, 2012 at 1:19 pm #

    Disgusting.

  6. a marionettes with puppets June 5, 2012 at 1:28 pm #

    From the profile: “HELLO,
    My name is Veronica Colindres I^m American I was born in Huntintong Park California but my family is Nicaraguan they explain to me that before they came here there job was to elavorate hammocks and that was a sustent for my family in Nicaragua so I came with this idea to help my parents , brothers and sister and other member of my family as artesians with this wounderful gift that is making beautiful hammocks Me and my family live in Nicaragua now and hope i can increase their incomes because I dont make much money to help them all I desided to open this collective shop in ETSY .”

    This is some of the worst fake “I no speak English” writing I’ve ever seen. So now a family of “artesians” in another country qualifies as a collective. Just – wow. I wonder now if they came from an artesian well of husband.

  7. sickofetsyshit June 5, 2012 at 1:33 pm #

    um question: what are elavorate, sustent artesians (in this context) wounderful

    I hope to increase THEIR incomes because I don’t make much money. wtf?

    marianna, is that you dahling?

    fake bio popped up all in may same time opening the shop on etsy – it’s a set-up, big time.

    planting an article on the web does not make it true, veronica.

  8. meowkittymeowkitty June 5, 2012 at 1:39 pm #

    So apparently Etsy resellers are like Hydras – you cut off one head and three more grow in its place

  9. sickofetsyshit June 5, 2012 at 1:39 pm #

    and why sell it on etsy for 50% less than you sell it elsewhere? And how do those businesses feel that you, as their supplier, are undercutting their business? eh?

  10. Apple June 5, 2012 at 1:49 pm #

    The links are a little borked – is it just me? I can figure out where they point, but the domain is formatted funky.

  11. sickofetsyshit June 5, 2012 at 1:50 pm #

    Me, too, on the links – I have to cut and paste into new browser to make them work

  12. sickofetsyshit June 5, 2012 at 1:52 pm #

    About Us

    Hello.

    This is Veronica Colindres im From Nicaragua and im the owner of the first Nicaraguan Online Store masayamarket.net Our company currently has 15 employees and we select the best artisans in Nicaragua. I build Hammocks and the other items from my store are select from the best artisans.

    We offer beautiful products made directly by hand by talented craftsmen of this our land of great folk tradition, aboriginal and popular. We design and create a great variety of artesanal products like hammocks, Handmade Jewelry, Leather Sandals , Slingshots, etc.

    If you need any information feel free to contact us.

  13. TastyCakes June 5, 2012 at 1:53 pm #

    Another store of “hers”

    http://www.blujay.com/?page=profile&profile_username=vcolindresl

    Interesting that on Etsy she says: “Me and my family live in Nicaragua now” and the item says “Ships from Nicaragua” but in the BlueJay store it clearly states: location: California, USA

  14. sickofetsyshit June 5, 2012 at 1:57 pm #

    I smell a rat. Who on earth, EVER starts their brand new store telling us about their “collective”? Even English first language people have NEVER EVER used that word unless coached or outed.
    ————————————————————————————————————
    About our collective shop.

    Veronica Colindres ( Weaver, In charge of Shipping and Manage Etsy Account ) ( Me )

    Carlos Colindres ( In charge of Sewing the Hammock (Carlos Colindres is my brother)

    Julia Lira ( Weaver ) ( My mother )

    Francisco Colindres ( Responsible for assembling the Hammock ( My father )

    My family is from Masaya Nicaragua this has been a family bussines staring with my great great grandparents up until this time and hope this continue throug out generations its a beatiful job I fell proud of my roots I hope to open a new world for them and help my familys future, hope to get your support this money will go directly from your hands to their needs thank you so much….God blees you all.
    —————————————————————————————————————

    You hope to open a brand new world to them? Seems like they’ve been doing pretty damn well if you have 15 employees in your factory, a complete website selling many other items in addition to hammocks…

  15. sickofetsyshit June 5, 2012 at 2:01 pm #

    http://www.masayamarket.net/about-us/

  16. Wolf June 5, 2012 at 2:08 pm #

    The links are borked.

    When my moderated comment gets posted, there’s 9 DIFFERENT sites that are all selling these exact same hammocks, including Alibaba and Amazon.

  17. sickofetsyshit June 5, 2012 at 2:10 pm #

    Masaya Market from their Facebook page September 7, 2011

    You are welcome to visit us at http://www.slingshots.ws/

    oh my god, check out that slingshots (owned by veronica, too)

  18. EtsyGivesMeCramps June 5, 2012 at 2:11 pm #

    God BLEES you all! lololol

  19. sickofetsyshit June 5, 2012 at 2:15 pm #

    sorry, I don’t mean to be kinds like spamming this thread, but want to document stuff as I find it before it gets pulled or altered. Note the professional language and grammar.

    Doesn’t sound, look or smell quite so mom-and-pop and the etsy store would have us believe.

    just some interesting phrases
    drop-ship experts. our warehouse shelves. corporate buyers. ebay powersellers. biggest wholesale provider.

    wow.
    —————————————————————————————————————–
    About Us

    Company and Customers:
    Slingshots.ws was the first Internet Slingshots wholesaler in Nicaragua, founded in 2010 .We are the biggest wholesale provider of Exotic Slingshots, we are in La Trinidad Esteli , situated 132 km of Managua capital of Nicaragua

    Happy Slingshots buyers include frequent wholesale importers, famous ecommerce websites, eBay powersellers, retail shops and startup home import businesses. On a daily basis, we serve corporate buyers, drop-ship experts, Slingshots & Accessories

    Our Guarantee:

    Superior Quality
    Our Quality Control team ensures that nothing gets put in stock which is not of the highest quality standards. We inspect all incoming goods before they are put on the warehouse shelves.

    Faster Delivery
    Orders sent by courier, such as Certified Mails Of Nicaragua or UPS and FedEx, arrive at your doorstep within an average of 15-27 days. Shipments are insured for successful delivery and trackable online.

    Better Prices
    No minimum order restriction. Wholesale discounts begin at just 3-5pcs. Discount level scheme automatically applied to all accounts. Bulk orders personally quoted even better prices. Prices lowered every single week.

    Convenience
    Order online, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. Instant, secure credit card payment via Paypal. Our technicians and designers keep the website fast and easy to use. We’re always adding features and improving usability thanks to your feedback.

    Personal Service

    Richard, Rachel, Veronica

  20. sickofetsyshit June 5, 2012 at 2:20 pm #

    Richard’s English language skills seem pretty American to me. Slick video. Not quite the little mom-and-pop family business in a grass hut out in the boonies…just sayin’

    ——————————————————————————————————-
    yes, I am on a tear. I have too much time on my hands for a couple more days. I finished all my work, all my housework, up to my eyeballs in crafty goodness today, so taking a break and surfin the web researching. Don’t worry, I’ll go away soon, lol!

  21. Pam Gari June 5, 2012 at 2:32 pm #

    In comments when I reported it > “MAY not…IS NOT! I won’t bother to copy and paste all the url’s to the other places this can be had including WALMART, but I DO need to let you know that by putting this CrAp on your front page, you INSULT all your honest sellers and let your buyers know that you really have NO respect for their intelligence. “

  22. sickofetsyshit June 5, 2012 at 3:31 pm #

    this is the phone number from her profile 001 505-85123257

    and the page of six google results shows the same number for the masayamarket.net and for richard colindres

    I hope etsy visits this thread. it’s just too much to have to put into comments when reporting veronica colindres etsy shop

    coincidence or relative? On Facebook, Richard uses the name: Richard Jossue (Joshua) Colindres. The final name of Lira is Veronica’s mother’s maiden name.

    Five armed men stormed the petrol station Petronic located on the track of the wholesale market, where the morning took a bounty of half a million cordobas, on Monday.

    According to the allegation of Nelson Cruz, who works as a security guard of the petrol station of Petronic, three of the assailants dropped a car Toyota, grey, M 071-932 plates, while the other two encañonaron it him and his boss, and stripped them of money and a Taurus revolver.

    The greater Vilma Reyes, head of public relations of the National Police Commissioner, explained that a device of emergency at the level of all police districts was immediately activated and managed to retain three of the suspects.

    Persons were identified as Dorian Francisco Castellón rye, RICHARD JOSHUA COLINDRES LIRA and Franklin Antonio Hernandez Pineda, all originating in Estelí. The other two robbers fled with the money.

  23. Wolf June 5, 2012 at 4:10 pm #

    Boy this just gets better and better, doesn’t it?

  24. Monica June 5, 2012 at 4:31 pm #

    They just don’t seem to care anymore at all. I wonder where *that* attitude originates. :0{

  25. sickofetsyshit June 5, 2012 at 4:54 pm #

    Oh, yes…it gets WAY better.

    http://www.etsy.com/people/craftsnicaragua

  26. Funny Bird June 5, 2012 at 4:55 pm #

    said like Chad…

    “When..ummmm..we say..aahhh..Handmade…we ummm mean hands are used to make…aaaahh ..the item..and we…ahhhh..as in Etsy….believe…ummmm….that all hands need a voice…even..ahhh…if those hands that make like….aaahhh…50 cents a day and ahhh….my Corperate overlords…..aahhhh…wear me like a moustache…ummm..err..like a moodle per say…ahhh yeah….eerr. I am the …ummm..their moodle.”

    See…clear as mud!

  27. sickofetsyshit June 5, 2012 at 5:04 pm #

    http://www.craftsnicaragua.com/category/hammocks/

  28. sickofetsyshit June 5, 2012 at 5:06 pm #

    this callout thread is freaking awesome! but wait! there’s more…

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/66651803/hammocks-beautiful-turquoise-double?ref=sr_gallery_7&ga_search_query=hammocks&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_ship_to=ZZ&ga_min=0&ga_max=0&ga_search_type=handmade
    ———————–

    look at the location – masaya – yup

  29. Stormy June 5, 2012 at 5:22 pm #

    Wow.

  30. sickofetsyshit June 5, 2012 at 5:47 pm #

    It appears that Masaya is the hammock capital of Nicaragua. Seriously, I’m not being sarcastic – I’m finding more information on that. However, it does not change the fact that Veronica is a big fat liar with that phone profile that connects to multiple websites under the same name.

  31. sickofetsyshit June 5, 2012 at 5:49 pm #

    lol phony

  32. a marionettes with puppets June 5, 2012 at 5:57 pm #

    There’s an awful lot of hammocks (and Etsy sellers) there in Masaya – ya just gotta wonder.

  33. Life During Wartime June 5, 2012 at 6:17 pm #

    Oh, yes….I remember Richard’s shop with the ‘handmade’ 80s style sunglasses. His shop was closed for reselling, no?

  34. Wolf June 5, 2012 at 6:36 pm #

    @Stormy Yeah, wow was what I said when I found all those shops selling the exact same hammocks.

    and that’s just in the first 2 pages on Google.

  35. sickofetsyshit June 5, 2012 at 6:40 pm #

    http://www.ecologicafurniture.com/contact-us

  36. Stormy June 5, 2012 at 7:23 pm #

    Didn’t someone get black bagged by the cupcake brigade for calling out “handmade” hammock makers during the ecologica scandal? This is sounding familiar with the sling shot video, and other mass produced crap peddled by the same folks claiming the hammocks are handmade. I’m actually pretty speechless over how widespread this particular product is. That “small team” must have lightning fast hands to weave for all these different distributors!

  37. Miya June 5, 2012 at 7:32 pm #

    Obviously this person is a filthy reseller.

    However, Nicaragua is known for it’s hammocks. My cousin’s wife is Nicaraguan, and my mom brought home a lovely hammock from Managua when she went for their wedding.
    MOST of their hammocks are woven (rather like fishing nets and crocheting), not sewn.

  38. Stormy June 5, 2012 at 7:44 pm #

    Oops! I should be more specific when I’m typing … I’m getting lazy. I *do* believe these are actual handmade pieces, I’ve got one like Miya describes, but I *don’t* believe this is a legit collective where the people hand-making these items are equal partners, or even employees of these shop owners. These look like massive buying trips, or shopping during vacation rather than legit business partnerings.

  39. Sickofcupcakes June 6, 2012 at 2:48 am #

    What a bunch of fat jealous losers! I’m sure this is an honest mistake. I often go on vacation to Nicaragua and accidentally buy lots of hammocks to list for sale as handmade on Etsy. I’m just trying to make a living for myself and my well of husband.

  40. Kakabel June 6, 2012 at 2:53 am #

    Tell me again, why I stay on Etsy?
    *throws hands up*
    Should we all start making various crafts with “keep the “HAND” in HANDMADE” sayings on them?

  41. rattriffic June 6, 2012 at 6:29 am #

    About

    Craftsnicaragua.com was the first Internet wholesaler in Nicaragua, founded in 2005. We are the biggest wholesale provider of Crafts Wood,Earrings,Slingshot,Clay Items,and More consumer Crafts products from the Nicaragua market. Our service headquarters are in La Trinidad Esteli , situated 132 km of Managua capital of Nicaragua
    We service over 16,000 buyers, delivering to virtually every country in the world. Our warehouse and office are staffed by a young team of Nicaragua.
    http://www.craftsnicaragua.com

    this is the husbandsprofile!!! servicing 16,00 buyers?? I think they are “servicing” the ETSY CEO!!

  42. Sickofcupcakes June 6, 2012 at 12:27 pm #

    OT: Beaded leather bracelets all look the same. Are they all resellers? I want to buy one but not from a filthy reseller.

  43. Monica June 6, 2012 at 12:45 pm #

    I don’t think they necessarily are resellers, cupcakes. I just think too many people are riding the trend. I saw them a long time ago and then they were only available from mostly overseas sellers. Now everyone is making them. I really love the look and
    thought about making them but decided against it for that reason. I’d rather keep my shop truly unique.

  44. Wolf June 6, 2012 at 1:37 pm #

    @ Monica. There is absolutely no way this is not a reseller with this many various sites selling the exact same hammocks.

    Even if they know the actual people making the hammocks, the sheer number of them available on so many various websites says that is in no way a small collective of people making them. And even if they know the people making them, that still makes them reselllers because it means they are importing them and not handmaking them, themselves.

  45. Wolf June 6, 2012 at 1:39 pm #

    Oh wait, you meant the leather bracelets. My bad.

    Back to waiting for my niece’s 5th grade graduation to start.

  46. Monica June 6, 2012 at 1:43 pm #

    S’ok, Wolf. ;0)

  47. dragonmumdragonmum June 6, 2012 at 2:44 pm #

    Too much fuss about this. etsy is about to become wholesaler’s paradise re: this article from Mashable: http://mashable.com/2012/06/06/etsy-small-business/

  48. Monica June 6, 2012 at 3:01 pm #

    Oh, what a buncha tripe. smh :0(

  49. Wolf June 6, 2012 at 3:33 pm #

    Honestly, I think if they definitely openly go the wholesale seller route, it’ll end up killing Etsy off. Because all those legit handmade sellers will find their businesses being marginalized right off Etsy and then Etsy will become the next eBay, only worse.

  50. me June 6, 2012 at 4:28 pm #

    It’s way too easy to find the exact hammocks all over the internet. SO the designs are not theirs, but perhaps they are making an attempt to copy all the other hammocks available all over the place and use three people to make one in three days.

    But it seems counter-intuitive and stretches believeability…………….Doesn’t convince me, either.

  51. resellonetsy June 6, 2012 at 9:55 pm #

    This is common on Etsy. The fact that etsy now allows people to sell multiple items sets them up to be some kind of Ebay. Its a joke to think that these people are sitting there all day making hammocks. Just another scam artist that needs to go away.

  52. Veronica Colindres June 7, 2012 at 4:59 am #

    Hello my Name is Veronica Colindres i view all the comments left and i want to clear all this, i have images of all my handmade process etsy contact me for this information and i have send all the details and they aprove my store my english is not very good because i came to Nicaragua many years ago. please view me and my family process when we are building the hammocks. hope this will make clear your questions. we are no company we are a collective shop.
    Thank you.

    Please view the pictures at this link.

  53. Jewel Davenport June 7, 2012 at 6:52 am #

    I JUST FAVORITED THAT GREEN HAMMOCK YESTERDAY! I love it. *sobs* Stupid Etsy, charming and false, you’ve broken my heart again.

  54. Neogami June 7, 2012 at 8:57 am #

    The hammocks are beautiful, and I really do hope that the four of you are actually making each one by hand. It does however look very suspicious when in your website’s “about us” page you state that you have 15 employees.

    Also, is this style of hammock common in Nicaragua? Does everyone who make hammocks there make them in this style? It seems suspicious to us because we’re finding what looks like the exact same item all over the internet. Are these all produced by you, or does everyone who makes hammocks make the same style?

    We’re not picking on you for no reason! We are all trying to keep Etsy as a handmade marketplace. This does not include items made in factories, and by the hands of many employees.

  55. Wolf June 7, 2012 at 9:03 am #

    @Veronica Colindres

    While I have no doubts that these are handmade by someone, the fact that they are found EVERYWHERE online and the fact that you were originally claiming to be based in CALIFORNIA (which I see has now been removed, but I bet someone has a screenshot), and the fact that your EXACT SAME PHOTOS are found on the Masayamarket website, makes you a reseller.

    add in the fact that these EXACT hammocks are found all over the net, means that they are being imported by other sellers as well as YOU.

    Which means, you’re still a reseller.

  56. sick June 7, 2012 at 9:10 am #

    I especially dislike the “homespun” aspect of the profile. There are too many glaring inconsistencies all over the web. And yes, I have pdf’d many of them. I know someone else has screenshot them, too, and probably has more than I do 🙂 He/She’s awesome at the research and proof concerning many of the issues.

  57. Wolf June 7, 2012 at 9:15 am #

    @sick I knew someone or someones would have screenshots. That’s the best proof against resellers when they try to cover their tracks by removing info we know was there originally or changing things they hope no one will pay attention to.

  58. sick June 7, 2012 at 9:22 am #

    Wow! I will say this, Veronica (the gal in the front?) is very pretty! 😀

    I can’t testify as to the veracity of those photos, but again, kudos for the very quick action in providing it. Most less-than-honest folks either don’t bother even trying or provide pictures that have nothing to do with the subject. I suspect that perhaps this family is being exploited? Not sure.

    I see that the About Us page on masayamarket.net has changed from professional, polished English to the ESL and homey version. That change alone is highly suspect.

    I smell a rat. Not sure whose pet it is, though.

    *cough* soap *cough*

  59. sick June 7, 2012 at 9:28 am #

    Oh, my! It seems that some of the family members’ facebook pages are unavailable today. More and more black marks in the reseller column folks.

  60. sick June 7, 2012 at 9:45 am #

    Her mother has edited her name on facebook removed the Lira
    Richard Colindres has REMOVED the link to masayamarket.net and his name removed from that website. It’s still ALL OVER the web because he was posting in dozens of forums and websites advertising his business masayamarket.net and slingshots.ws and more.

    finding more inconsistencies

    here’s another picture of very pretty Veronica – http://s1050.photobucket.com/albums/s407/sickofes/?action=view&current=veronicacolindresfacebookpicpretty.jpg

  61. Neogami June 7, 2012 at 9:50 am #

    My my my, this is getting interesting! i was so rooting for this to be a real collective, but it’s looking more and more like a reseller…

  62. Wolf June 7, 2012 at 9:58 am #

    @sick WEll, I did say that they often attempted to remove or change information in the hopes no one would notice.

    It’s the Internet though, nothing dies on the Internet.

    And I too had that sneaking suspicion that this was a family or group of artisans who were maybe paid a few dollars to hold signs against themselves or allow this person to put up a sign, for the exact purpose of attempting to ‘prove’ themselves legit. Too bad there’s so much evidence to the contrary.

  63. Veronica Colindres June 7, 2012 at 10:09 am #

    Hello Friends we actually do the hammocks I have no knowledge of how to make a website my brother build the website for me, I want to make it clear that we build the hammocks and that we are a collective shop and we are very honnest persons my english is no very good because my main is spanish if you need proves i can send it to you. about the designs of the hammocks they are the ordinary designs every body that makes handwoven hammocks makes this ones, i have a lot of pictures of me and my family working in our hammocks please do not damage our image we really build are hammocks and members of my family are artisans too.
    please view more images of me and my family.
    Thank you.

  64. Neogami June 7, 2012 at 10:10 am #

    BTW guys, they’re back up on the front page and just got another sale… I guess editing the 15 employees bit off of their masaya market website was enough for Etsy.

  65. Neogami June 7, 2012 at 10:16 am #

    They also seem to be in to copyright infringement since their hammock:
    http://www.etsy.com/listing/100059885/zebra-hammock

    Looks exactly like this one by Alexander Calder:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Calder-Signed-Original-Zebra-Hammock-Soft-Sculpture-75-/230519342218

  66. Wolf June 7, 2012 at 10:17 am #

    You can even find similar hammock chairs on eBay-

    http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=nicaraguan+hammocks&_sacat=0&_odkw=hammocks&adpos=7s5&MT_ID=71&crlp=17469782359_1&_sop=12&tt_encode=raw&_osacat=0&geo_id=10282&clk_rvr_id=350936786742&keyword=hammocks&_dmd=1&adgroup_id=3882843799

    So how do we know she’s really even WHERE she says she is, and isn’t buying them off eBay? Oh, wait, we don’t.

    And you’re right, @sick- Richard Colindres HAS been very busy pushing the MasayaMarket-

    http://www.thehammockforum.com/phorum/search.php?2,author=727,match_type=USER_ID,match_dates=0,match_threads=0

    http://www.craftsu.com/photo/albums/hammocks

    Oh looky! He’s even a member on good ol’ Alibaba! Where they serve over 16,000 buyers! Man, that 4 person team must work around the clock to make all those hammocks!

    http://www.alibaba.com/member/ni900748668.html

    And even an ad for selling them-

    http://www.usmarketdb.com/757695/united-stats-flag-hammocks-price-132.html

    Yeah, they aren’t resellers, nope, not at all. /sarcasm.

  67. buttonlandia June 7, 2012 at 10:19 am #

    GRRRRRRRR. She’s on the front page AGAIN

  68. Veronica Colindres June 7, 2012 at 10:23 am #

    Neogami- all the designs i have are ordinary in Nicaragua they are not unique.
    well etsy contact me and ask me information and i have send all my details and my store images and they have aprove all of my details.

    Me and my family build the hammocks
    anyway you are welcome to come to our hammock shop here in Nicaragua
    is the only way you will believe have a nice day.

  69. Damn Shame! June 7, 2012 at 10:33 am #

    Well, Well! On Frontage NOW!

  70. Wolf June 7, 2012 at 10:40 am #

    There is NO WAY you can be servicing 16,000 buyers, as per your Alibaba page, with just 4 people.

    Sorry, not buying it.

  71. Neogami June 7, 2012 at 10:47 am #

    Thank you for your reply Veronica,
    I guess then that many of the identical hammocks that we are finding are being made by other people, while yours are handmade by you and your family. Perhaps it would help on Etsy at least if you had some identifying characteristic about your hammocks so that when people saw them they’d think of Veronica not all of Nicaragua.

    Another question then. Why on your Masaya Market About Us page did it say that you had 15 employees?
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:A9Gsldz-1sMJ:www.masayamarket.net/about-us/+masayamarket.net+we+have+15+employees&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    Did you mean that the hammocks are made by your family, and that the other 15 people are the ones who make the slingshots, jewellery, and other items?

    Veronica, we are not trying to have your shop closed down for no reason. We are artists and makers, and those who love handmade products. We are just trying to make sure that people who don’t actually make their products are not selling on Etsy. This is nothing personal, and we have the best intentions! There are so many scammers and liars on Etsy, and so it is hard to get rid of them because they sell what people want to buy, and Etsy makes money off of them.

  72. amber June 7, 2012 at 11:02 am #

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/100187475/stylish-yellow-and-white-stripes-hammock?ref=fp_treasury_3

    on the etsy front page today, and a google search found this..

    http://www.pressloft.com.au/product.php?pid=449228

    with the exact same description.
    Not sure if it’s the same sellers..but made me laugh. I am happy I found this site, since I am a FJL who won’t be opening my own etsy store anytime soon.😉

  73. a marionettes with puppets June 7, 2012 at 11:06 am #

    “our hammock shop here in Nicaragua” – so, we can safely assume the IP from which she is responding is actually in Nicaragua? Or is the origination of an IP address irrelevant?

  74. sick June 7, 2012 at 11:12 am #

    Q: will potential buyers notice the difference between ESL in seller profile versus professional marketing verbiage in the item description?

  75. sick June 7, 2012 at 11:12 am #

    I will also say this for them: they are quite internet savvy. Many things have been removed or edited that were there even yesterday. I have lots of pdfs, but not all – grrrr. I erred on the side of wanting to believe Veronica, too. I absolutely didn’t believe the homey profile, but it’s a marketing ploy that others who were not resellers have used. I’m impressed by how quickly they were moving behind the scenes erasing information and swapping out owners’ names. I was hoping you, Neogami-of-the-masterful-art-of-the-screenshot had been well, screenshooting? Lol! Seriously, Neogami, you rock! 😀

  76. Neogami June 7, 2012 at 11:29 am #

    lol… thanks Sick! I’m not really as all over this as I could be just because I really want to believe them. I hate resellers as much as the next FJL, but I have an instant weakness for those who aren’t in a wealthy country. It’s so much easier when you’re dealing with an outright nut bag (P.INK) or obvious scammer (Ecologica). Plus, this girl is being very nice about it all so far. I guess I’m just a sucker for poor english!😉

    I’ll put in my two cents occasionally and try to play the devil’s advocate here, but I don’t think I’ll really be much of a contributor on this one… That is, unless we find some really damning evidence!

  77. sick June 7, 2012 at 11:40 am #

    🙂 gotcha Neogame, I totally understand.
    ——————————————————

    And Etsy is fine with plagiarism and copyright infringement for item descriptions and photographs, we all know that.

    I still have a big problem with wanting a picture of the actual item I’d be buying. I can’t imagine that Toucan would be happy to have their pictures stolen, their words plagiarized AND their pricing undercut by more than 2/3!

    Has anyone emailed Toucan?

  78. Made of the Mist June 7, 2012 at 11:52 am #

    Seems sketchy, but maybe they’ve learned from P.Ink’s bad example on provoking the beast?
    Off to email Toucan…have to do it through my phone, because the link opens my work email (not cool).

  79. Wolf June 7, 2012 at 12:33 pm #

    Speaking of IPs… I wonder what mine is right now, since umm typing this on my windows phone.:p

  80. Wolf June 7, 2012 at 12:36 pm #

    Stupid phone. I typed I’m, not umm.

  81. TastyCakes June 7, 2012 at 4:03 pm #

    Once a website is changed to suit what they realize it SHOULD say (the part about 15 employees disappears), I call bullshit. Covering their tracks is a dead giveaway. I also don’t buy the fake broken English spelling. If I was born in another country, at the very least I could spell the place I was born. Like I said, bullshit.

  82. Monica June 7, 2012 at 4:47 pm #

    If some of you aren’t from or like to look at Regretsy, check out this Etsy treasury bidding farewell to Ecologica Malibu. LOL

    http://www.etsy.com/treasury/NTc3MDgxOXwyNzIyOTA5ODc0/ill-never-let-go

  83. sickofetsyshitsick June 7, 2012 at 6:06 pm #

    LOL, Fantastic! for the Treasury!!
    ————————————————————
    They think we don’t notice that the profile is just cut and pasted, typos, misspellings and grammatical errors included? That’s being disingenuous…but then we already know that.

  84. Stormy June 7, 2012 at 9:02 pm #

    TastyCakesJune 7, 2012 at 4:03 pm#

    Once a website is changed to suit what they realize it SHOULD say (the part about 15 employees disappears), I call bullshit.
    ————————

    Exactly. Especially now when it’s clear Etsy allows collectives, as well as employees. Stores shouldn’t be affraid to disclose how many employees they really have, unless of course, it’s a wholesale / reseller situation. So if you have 15 people working for your store what’s the big secret?

  85. buttonlandia June 7, 2012 at 9:33 pm #

    So, interesting thing to note…When Veronica was on the FP earlier today. I decided to put my two cents in on the treasury. Something like, “no fault of the curator but Veronica is a reseller”. Later that afternoon guess who I got an email from? ETSY. Saying, “you have such & such accounts and you need to claim them all & put that you are owners of all them in your public profile”. (I’ve seen plenty of people with multiple accounts not claiming them publicly) I used an anonymous name on the treasury & now I can’t even do that. UGH. I wonder if it has anything to do with potentially losing money if Veronica is fake? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. I guess I could just be paranoid. But I think it’s linked!

    I’m currently trying to figure out how I can gain as much revenue via other means than Etsy. It’s harder than you think but as soon as I figure it out, I’m leaving. So sick of this BS

  86. Kakabel June 7, 2012 at 10:27 pm #

    Buttonlandia, try CraftStar, and re-direct folks there.
    They started CrafStar during the Ecological mess…
    http://www.thecraftstar.com

  87. BeardedIris June 8, 2012 at 4:43 am #

    button, that has been a longstanding rule. its a little pot kettle to complain about someone else breaking the rules when you aren’t following them either.

  88. buttonlandia June 8, 2012 at 7:51 am #

    Yeah, I realize that. Despite me not following the rules. Kind of a little less “serious” than someone reselling their goods & claiming it as their own.
    In anycase, I found it interesting that I said something publicly about a reseller, Etsy decides to contact me NOW (despite the fact that what they were claiming wasn’t true. All my other accounts publicly state what is connected. They even thought my husbands account was my own which clearly wasn’t. They didn’t know their research very well).

    That’s all I gotta say about that. Not really interested in starting a debate with anyone. :]

  89. Wolf June 8, 2012 at 8:38 am #

    I’m finding it interesting that people who leave comments like buttonlandia did are getting emails from Etsy now, at all.

    Heck, I’ve left several comments to that same effect and have yet to get anything. LOL. Maybe because they figure I just don’t give a shit anymore and haven’t since I emptied my shop in 2010.}:P

  90. Neogami June 8, 2012 at 9:05 am #

    Button, you’re not being paranoid. It’s totally true that by commenting, flagging or trying to do anything about a reseller you are calling attention to yourself. Etsy will contact you and suspend your account if you do not comply with all their rules. I’ve had my account suspended because I did not disclose my bf’s buying account and an Etsy shop I had set up for my mom but she never used.

    The funny thing in my case was that they contacted me via the bf’s buying account, which has a junk mail address associated with it, so no one got any of the three or four emails until he randomly decided to clear the junk in that account a couple of days after they suspended all four Etsy accounts without contact through any of the other Etsy accounts.

    One day I tried signing in, and found that all of my accounts were deactivated. I contacted Etsy asking WTF in the most polite way I possibly could. All because Etsy didn’t even try contacting ME in the two weeks that they were asking me to comply with their rules, even though they got a hold of me no problem a few days before about another issue at my main Neogami account. I believe they did this on purpose just to mess with me for doing the whole cut and paste of the Ecologica Featured Seller interview, posting in the forums about it, and also the Protesty site, and petition. Etsy = Petty

  91. susan June 8, 2012 at 9:49 am #

    I remember Watergate. Actually I didn’t have a clue what the hell it was, but I remember my mom being glued to the TV every day watching the hearings. Many years later, the message learned was: The coverup is worse than the crime. No, actually, the coverup is more interesting than the crime. And this is what this is. Revised web pages equal the blank spaces on Nixon’s tapes.

    In my view Masaya hammocks are the equivalent to the Thailand clothing markets. Small families with auntie doing the sewing and getting the stuff on the internet because a young family member is internet savvy. I’ve had to accept that those kind of places are let to exist on Etsy. Masaya is the same type of intense craft area however I am not assured that Veronica’s (and brother) motives are ethical . We never see the proof in the Thai clothing stores but then they don’t go around trying to erase their presence on the internet either.

  92. Monica June 8, 2012 at 12:58 pm #

    I would love it if some of you folks, Wolf you especially, would give me some feedback on the other selling sites you are using. I really want to move off of Etsy, but I don’t want to end up someplace that is as bad or even close, or that isn’t profitable. I don’t need feedback on Artfire, I already know from friends’ experiences there that I don’ t want to go there, either. People who are on zibbet, handmade artists, or dawanda, craftstar, please help me out and tell me what your overall experiences have been, please? I want to do this soon. Thanx! :0)

  93. sickofetsyshit June 8, 2012 at 1:33 pm #

    Text-only version
    This is Google’s cache of http://www.masayamarket.net/about-us/. It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on May 25, 2012 22:48:05 GMT. The current page could have changed in the meantime. Learn more These search terms are highlighted: masayamarket net us
    —————————————————————————————————————-
    Hello.
    This is Veronica Colindres im From Nicaragua and im the owner of the first Nicaraguan Online Store masayamarket.net

    Our company currently has 15 employees and we select the best artisans in Nicaragua. I build Hammocks and the other items from my store are select from the best artisans.

    We offer beautiful products made directly by hand by talented craftsmen of this our land of great folk tradition, aboriginal and popular.

    We design and create a great variety of artesanal products like hammocks, Handmade Jewelry, Leather Sandals , Slingshots, etc.

    If you need any information feel free to contact us.

    About Us | Masaya Market | Crafts For Teenagers | Patio Furniture http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:A9Gsldz-1sMJ
    1 of 1 6/8/2012 2:19 PM

  94. Wolf June 8, 2012 at 2:23 pm #

    @Monica Zibbet’s not bad, it takes some time to really get going though, but they do listen to their seller base and plan/add things accordingly. I like the look of Zibbet and I get tons of views, but sales are rather slow lately.

    Haven’t set up my shop on Craftstar, simply because it IS so new, so I’m waiting a few months before I try it out.

    Big Cartel, I had 2 sales in 2 years, despite lots of promoting and such, so dropped it back to a free account. The good thing about BC is that you are in full control of your shop and if you have a website, you can integrate your BC shop into it.

    DaWanda is mostly UK based shops, so as a US based shop, I never really got any views, and had no sales whatsoever. It was also a pain to have to convert the currancy on my own as well.

    eCrater did nothing for me. I found it very nonintuitive as far as setting up my shop, banner, etc, but your mileage may vary.

    Shopify did nothing for me either.

    I’ve added one item to Supadupa, and that was it. It was a pain to have to manually go through and set up shipping for each. and. every. location I’m willing to ship to. So I’m not certain I’ll continue there.

    Handmade Artists- I had issues with their captcha during registration(it kept telling me I was entering it incorrectly when I knew I wasn’t), so that turned me off of them. I may try again in a few months when they’ve been around longer.

  95. test June 8, 2012 at 2:50 pm #

    Project Message
    “Mostly I want to thank them, because our eyes were veiled. We thought our business was doing well, but when we started calculating everything, our costs, our investment… it was very eye-opening”
    – Veronica Colindres, Micro entrepreneur

  96. Monica June 8, 2012 at 3:31 pm #

    Thank you so much for the input, Wolf. I really do appreciate it. Gives me some things to think about. :0)

  97. ebilly June 8, 2012 at 6:12 pm #

    Monica,
    I have over 10 shops,
    While “craft is art” has a lower number of sales for me, the $ per sale is 2-5 times what I get in my other shops.
    Also, my “shop hand made” shop is getting sales too.
    All I do is list and run in all my shops.
    Same items, same descriptions, for all items, in all shops.
    I am away pasted knee deep in orders at this time.

  98. Monica June 8, 2012 at 6:24 pm #

    Wow! Thanx, ebilly. I hadn’t even heard of those venues. I will check them out. Very m
    uch appreciated. :0)

  99. Monica June 8, 2012 at 7:31 pm #

    ebilly: what do you suppose this means from Shop Handmade’s site? It sounds to me like they copyright the images of your products when you upload them. Am I reading this correctly, do you think?:

    Product images are copyrighted by Shop Handmade and may also be copyrighted by the manufacturers of those products or their designers. You may not copy or use these images in any way, except as part of using this web site. Copyrighted images are used on this web site pursuant to 17USC113(c) and no other use is intended.

  100. Monica June 9, 2012 at 12:16 pm #

    I just sent them an email to ask for clarification. :0)

  101. Monica June 9, 2012 at 1:28 pm #

    INTERESTING ETSY MATH!

    In searching for a place to move my shop to, I’ve been doing some side by side comparisons of things like testing out each site’s search engines. Just loading the word jewelry into the search engine to see what I get, how fast they return results, how accurately things are categorized, looking at how many sellers and items there are in my category, etc.

    I did the same on Etsy. Entered the word ‘jewelry’ under the handmade tab and it said it returned over 3 million items. However, there were only 250 pages with 40 items per page, which isn’t anywhere near 3 million. I even clicked on the last page number thinking it might give me more pages, but it did not. I left the sort set to Relevancy and scrolled thru the first 100 pages. Jewelry boxes and organizers, not in the correct category, averaged one per page. I saw multiple listings for the some of the same shops yet never saw a single one of my items come up. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with my tags or my SEO.

    Something here stinks. }:0{

  102. Wolf June 9, 2012 at 1:58 pm #

    @Monica Etsy’s search engine is serious screwed up. They only show the first 10,000 items, regardless of how many are in that category. Generally, it’s only the most popular sellers as well. And tagging abuse runs rampant, and isn’t being corrected by Etsy whatsoever.

  103. Funny Bird June 9, 2012 at 4:25 pm #

    Monica- you are so right! The etsy search isn’t even broken it’s just wrong! I have never been on a selling venue where the most basic tool for selling SEARCH…is so f*cked up.

    If I see one more thread where sellers jump on other sellers about their SEO & tags when those same asskissers will not even address a search which results are so irrelevant.”Yes your store is slow, yes your views are low…NO ONE CAN find you! ”
    What the hell? why do sellers need to beg for a “push”? Why are so many of the favorited views empty? ETSY’s search, the one tool ALL users need does not work!!! It’s not my tags, it’s not my titles-ITS ETSY.

  104. Monica June 9, 2012 at 4:29 pm #

    Yeah, I figured that out, Wolf. More reason to call an end to it, I guess. I’m really trying to make sure I do due diligence in selecting a new venue. When I joined Etsy just over a year ago, I had no clue things were like this, it seemed so genuine based on the few things I had purchased as a buyer in the year before I decided to sell there. The last thing I want is to walk blindly into another bad situation. At this point I feel so dejected over the whole experience. :0{

    I really appreciate you and ebilly sharing your experiences with me, very much.

  105. Monica June 9, 2012 at 4:33 pm #

    I feel ya, Funny Bird. I’m incredibly disappointed in this whole thing. I want to at least keep my account open there so I can still buy from my suppliers, because I do make it a point to support other sellers there for my supplies rather than buying crap at Hobby Lobby (owned by religious fundies) or, worse, Michael’s (now there’s a big load of shitty, low quality merch.)

  106. Funny Bird June 9, 2012 at 4:42 pm #

    I sell there, but I also sell elsewhere.

    So many people think Etsy is their boyfriend, and they are not open or supportive of “cheating” / SO STUPID! Do what is best for you, sell where ever you feel comfortable and have success,
    I sell I on Etsy- I sell IRL..it’s all the same thing. You just have to play the game as along as it benefits you.

  107. Funny Bird June 9, 2012 at 4:47 pm #

    I also see on the other side people feeling like Etsy was their boyfriend that cheated on them and they have this rage about them regarding Etsy & they feel shunned and in turn are not supportive of people selling on Etsy
    . I have a bit of that syndrome..but in all honesty YOU are your own bottom line, keep your own best interest at heart & you will be fine.

  108. Monica June 9, 2012 at 5:44 pm #

    I sell some IRL, too, but even that’s difficult. I’m unemployed now and I can’t afford $100 to table at a festival *and* buy a canopy, which some of the craft fairs/festivals require.

    And for me, it’s the principle of the thing. They are not being open about their practices. I’ve had moderate sales, but even if I was going gangbusters, knowing what I do now, I would still leave. It’s the fact that they have no integrity to be honest about what it is they are doing. I don’t like to work/for people where trust is an issue.

  109. Monica June 9, 2012 at 5:46 pm #

    I meant to type: I don’t like to work with or for people where trust is an issue.

    Additionally, I don’t do with people that way and I think it’s really sad that there’s so much dishonesty everywhere you go anymore. :0(

  110. Funny Bird June 9, 2012 at 6:24 pm #

    One persons “dishonesty” is anothers profit margin.
    You have to stop worrying about what everyone else is doing there is no perfect system.
    Even if you made your own venue!
    In real life, real people pick & choose what they want- even when they aren’t aware of it. You can have these ideals of want an e commerce site “should be” but…someone else’s idea is just as valid.

    There is no perfect world.
    There is no “level playing field” there is just learning, and finding the enviroment you can deal with. If you are looking for perfection,or your idea of perfecton- you will never find it. Sometimes you just have to make a leap of faith.
    Pick yours

    ..and jump.

  111. Monica June 9, 2012 at 6:30 pm #

    No, it’s not just as valid when you present and hard sell yourself as one thing, but practice entirely as another. Dishonesty is never ‘just as valid.’ Why are you even here if that’s what you think?

  112. Funny Bird June 9, 2012 at 6:45 pm #

    Because I want things to be better, I want to point out for the betterment of all when, things…at their core are wrong or need to be improved.

    I do alot of things everyday I wish were better, I wish for a public transport system in my area that works- and I drive my car. I fight for a health care system for all & still pay my insurance costs..it’s life.
    I wish for things to be better, and work everyday for the things I believe are better to be so.
    that is why I’m here.

  113. Monica June 9, 2012 at 6:48 pm #

    Sounds like you are making excuses for Etsy, tho, when there is no excusing the many ways their practices actually work against the small handmade shop owner.

  114. Funny Bird June 9, 2012 at 6:52 pm #

    Life isnt always black & white.
    Do I think you shouldn’t sell on Etsy because they allow resellers?And lie about it?
    NO-
    I don’t.
    I think you should speak out against it and hopefully make enough money to pay your electric bill or fill your gas tank. At some point you have to be honest about what matters to you- and what matters to me is making sure my family is taken care of. Etsy is NOT perfect- but it has allowed me to earn an extra $1000 a month. That has saved me many many times. I will continue to try to make the community there better and I can live with that. To be honest- no other place as made that income for me- I am my own bottom line too.

  115. Monica June 9, 2012 at 6:58 pm #

    LOL! There is no way to stem the tide of the plans they have already set in place and those that they are planning. Enjoy your income from it now, it’s only going to keep getting worse.

  116. Monica June 9, 2012 at 6:59 pm #

    And I am being quite explicitly honest about what matters to me…integrity. I won’t deal with anyone who doesn’t have it. Period.

  117. Funny Bird June 9, 2012 at 7:10 pm #

    Yeah…and I’ll move on.
    Shake my head & learn & know I fought damn hard to make it better while I was there.
    I have been perma muted for 2 years-
    I can still find a voice to try & make Etsy a better place for all.

    I am not married to Etsy. My commitment is to my family, and you bet your ass I will enjoy
    that income while I have it- and I will fight like hell to find it again when it’s gone somewhere else.

    Venues rise & fall

    I am not looking for perfection, I’ve worked IRL for a souless son of a bitch for 10 years so I have insurance for my family…I can deal with the death of Etsy, and I know me & everyone else who tried to make it better at least tried.

  118. Monica June 9, 2012 at 7:31 pm #

    We all have our choices to make and our battles to pick. Since the deck has been so obviously stacked against me there, I’m not losing much by moving on at this point. I was just hoping that since I got laid off there would be some hope of ramping up my biz there a bit.

    And I know all too well about working somewhere you don’t really enjoy being in order to have bennies. I fight for the same things you mentioned earlier, but in that case I’m forced to be an unwilling participant in the current system. With Etsy, that is not and will not be the case.

    Wish you luck.

  119. Wolf June 10, 2012 at 7:01 am #

    Here’s the thing- quite a number of us who had been there, if not from the very begining, from 6 months in at least, are gone now. We were extremely vocal in our objections to what Etsy had been and is continueing to do.

    The result? A search that doesn’t work, the forums butchered so as to silence themalcontents, great handmade artists muted or had their shops completely shut down on them with no warnings, things like Coralgate where an ENTIRE selection of users was called out and the public was told not to buy from, resellers frequently featured prominantly, people who voice their concerns in the butchered forums are shoued down by those who think Etsy can never, ever do any wrong and on and on and on.

    Is it any wonder there are blogs like this and Regretsy, Etsy Bitch, Etsy Uncensored, etc, exist?

    I was there from 6 months after they first started up. I was there for 5 YEARS before I said enough was enough. Sometimes, it’s better to cut your losses while you still have the chance to.

    Yes, I’m still trying to build my following back up elsewhere, but the last 2 years I was on Etsy, my sales were nearly nonexistant anyway do to all the unneeded changes, the saturation of the jewelry section, the attempted copycats of my hand dyes scarves, etc.

    So you know what? Telling someone whose rightfully questioning whether Etsy is the place they need to continue to be at, that essentially their questions don’t matter, that they either need to suck it up or leave? Is wrong. It’s something someone in the Etsy forums would say.

    Shame on you.

  120. laugh or you'll cry June 10, 2012 at 9:38 am #

    …apropos of nothing, really – just had to post this for this for some chuckles and head-shaking. Two little animations regarding etsy and ethics; or the lack thereof.

    Enjoy.

    http://etsyrefugeesociety.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2010-11-08T07:20:00-08:00&max-results=10&start=10&by-date=false

  121. Life During Wartime June 10, 2012 at 10:27 am #

    Thanks so much for the link to those videos! I had never seen them before. Etsy’s representatives in the forums actually do write almost that way. Very good satire — this person nailed it!

  122. laugh or you'll cry June 10, 2012 at 2:37 pm #

    Once again, against Etsy’s TOU, someone is selling things they don’t actually have ready to go. Oh, WAIT! They don’t even have the supplies in hand to begin making your item once you pay!

    CamilleMontgomery’s Shop Announcement
    …………………………Please check our policies for current time to ship newly ordered items. Most of our items are made to order any may take 6-10 weeks to be built and shipped.

    We begin the process of procuring and picking/milling wood right away once you place your order. If you need to cancel for any reason we will be happy to do so as long as we have not started your build process. (: Thank you.

  123. Monica June 10, 2012 at 4:50 pm #

    Well, after hooking up with that link to etsy refugees, I ended up here reading this:

    http://youthoughtwewouldntnotice.com/blog3/copying-stalking-and-shop-deletions-on-etsy/

    I decided there was no time like the present. I opened my new shop and will be transitioning my listings tonight and tomorrow. I haven’t had any trouble yet, but I’m not one to support someone who treats *anyone* this way. And I feel like I’d always be walking on eggshells if I stayed, waiting for them to decide I’d done something wrong because I participated in protesty and even promoted it in my teams.

    This has all been very stressful on top of being laid off. I just don’t need it anymore.

  124. Monica June 10, 2012 at 4:51 pm #

    Oddly enough, while I was setting up my new shop, I actually had a sale on Etsy. LOL

    Oh the irony and coincidence. ;0)

  125. Monica June 10, 2012 at 5:03 pm #

    Oh, and I did run into references to coralgate, but didn’t see anything that explained exactly what it was all about. I mean I won’t work with it or sell it, but I don’t think I would be harassing someone who does. :shrug:

  126. Monica June 10, 2012 at 7:22 pm #

    Okay, I found the original blog post and comments on coralgate. I do agree with the article. It’s a very crucial issue. However, it was handled poorly on Etsy’s part all the way round. Some of the people who posted in opposition weren’t doing themselves any favors either, as they were calling her on her use of gold and diamonds when she clearly stated in the article that she was using recycled gold and conflict-free diamonds. Now how much of those materials are widely available, I don’t know because I don’t personally care for either, and think Moissanite is the best option to be absolutely certain one isn’t at risk of selling blood diamonds, even inadvertently. She did also say she uses vintage repurposed pieces, too, if I remember correctly those were the last pieces she did have?

    If they were going to make this statement about it, which again I definitely agree with whole-heartedly, they should have established a policy ahead of time indicating something like only found coral or bamboo coral would be okay to sell, but how the heck could they possibly police that when they can’t even seem to police the resellers and pirates? Maybe some red flags like heavy suppliers would have to prove the origin of their pieces. I would think the only way to make it work completely would be to ban it all. That way there’s never any question, people can’t game the system, and a lot of people wouldn’t even want it if they didn’t see it and weren’t specifically looking for it, just browsing for a gift and looking for ideas.

    And true having someone not an Etsy seller address the issue *and* link to her business, was not cricket at all. Someone had their head up their rump when they put that whole thing together. And I’m guessing that she was invited to submit the article and, not being an Etsian already, wasn’t even aware of the TOUs being violated. That was Etsy’s fault to. smh

  127. PussDaddyBlogs (@PussDaddyBlogs) June 11, 2012 at 9:56 pm #

    WolfJune 10, 2012 at 7:01 am#

    Here’s the thing- quite a number of us who had been there, if not from the very begining, from 6 months in at least, are gone now. We were extremely vocal in our objections to what Etsy had been and is continueing to do.

    The result? A search that doesn’t work, the forums butchered so as to silence themalcontents, great handmade artists muted or had their shops completely shut down on them with no warnings, things like Coralgate where an ENTIRE selection of users was called out and the public was told not to buy from, resellers frequently featured prominantly, people who voice their concerns in the butchered forums are shoued down by those who think Etsy can never, ever do any wrong and on and on and on.

    Is it any wonder there are blogs like this and Regretsy, Etsy Bitch, Etsy Uncensored, etc, exist?

    I was there from 6 months after they first started up. I was there for 5 YEARS before I said enough was enough. Sometimes, it’s better to cut your losses while you still have the chance to.

    Yes, I’m still trying to build my following back up elsewhere, but the last 2 years I was on Etsy, my sales were nearly nonexistant anyway do to all the unneeded changes, the saturation of the jewelry section, the attempted copycats of my hand dyes scarves, etc.

    So you know what? Telling someone whose rightfully questioning whether Etsy is the place they need to continue to be at, that essentially their questions don’t matter, that they either need to suck it up or leave? Is wrong. It’s something someone in the Etsy forums would say.

    Shame on you.
    ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

    Get real. The reason no one wanted to buy from you was because most of you who were there from the beginning thought you owned the place. You were fucking obnoxious and ran in a clique and ganged up on people on threads and treated people who didn’t kiss your ass like shit. You bitched and griped for change and now shit is changed and you don’t like that either. I am not particularly talking about the coralgate episode. Many of you were and are professional malcontents and wouldn’t be happy no matter what. You want to be seen as martyrs to the cause, fighting the good fight since the day Etsy opened and treated anyone like shit who didn’t agree with you. That’s why you made do not buy from lists and your sales were almost non-existent. There will always be people who think Etsy can do no wrong, but there’s a better way to get people on your side than to act like bonafide obnoxious bully bitches all the time. When some of those on these Etsy hater blogs are outed you would have thought they were professsional sellers with sales out their ass, but usually it turns out to be someone who put in little effort except for bitching all day and night and who has few sales probably because all their energy is expended on griping, complaining, and making blogs about how much they hate this or that place. And now all of you are gone from Etsy just like I am. And the reason is because of how you acted and there’s no one to fucking blame for that except yourselves. And here you are still going on and on about being there from day one as if that makes you fucking special and how you martyred yourself when all anyone wanted you to do was shut the fuck up for a while. You still haven’t learned a damn thing.

  128. Kakabel June 11, 2012 at 10:51 pm #

    @PussDaddyBlogs

    Wow. I rarely went to the etsy forums, and even more rarely made a sale. (On Etsy)

    And here I thought it was because I worked nights, and didn’t have the time OR the $$ to buy the “prime advertising” that was the real reason behind my lack of sales, and the secondaryLime reason wa due to the mass manufactured “prints-on-canvass-being-passed-off-as-REAL-paintings-for-a-third-of-what-I-charge” crapola, and not due to failed popularity contests on the forums!
    Good to know!

  129. Wolf June 12, 2012 at 8:37 am #

    @PussDaddy You seem to have me confused with other people, because, no I did not ‘gang up on people, no I did not ‘believe I owned the place’, no I did not run ‘a clique’. Did I talk to people who were like that? Yes, but then, so did you.

    In fact, most of the time I kept my damn head down and avoided the crap going on in the forums.

    The only time I really started speaking out was during Coralgate. I am not a ‘professional malcontent ‘ as you put it. Did I voice concerns when they started up threads asking for them? Yes, so did the majority of the users in the forums.

    I never had and still do not have a ‘do not buy list’. My sales were actually quite good, considering what I sold, until they changed the search, when they started dropping off. And that’s something A LOT of people, even the ‘cupcakes’ in the forums noticed.

    And hey, guess what? My shop is NOT gone. It’s merely closed. I, unlike you, can go back any time I choose to. I chose to leave on my own, I wasn’t forced off because my shop was shut down on me. I have never been muted- I have gotten a warning though, I have never been banned from Etsy, shop or forum.

    So before you start spouting bullshit, you might want to do a bit of research first.

  130. Monica June 12, 2012 at 12:26 pm #

    I cleared my stuff out of my shop yesterday. Kept my account open so I could still buy supplies from the friends I made while there and keep in touch, but I’m done.

    The other thing I never cared for are the Teams. It seems like ‘team’ is such misnomer in most cases, as so many of them are just places for people to promo their stuff. There are a few good ones I was a member of where people actually talked to one another. There were times where, if they had been real places, you’d likely get run over by people running in and out just to post their stuff and go. And so many different teams created with the same themes or identical purposes! Crazy!

  131. rattriffic June 12, 2012 at 3:51 pm #

    am I the only one that thinks theri little “proof” pictures look like mug shots with their little cards with the date on them?? Etsy did a good job coaching them after the call out, they have the “we are not company, we are collective” down pat!!!

  132. PussDaddyBlogs (@PussDaddyBlogs) June 12, 2012 at 4:02 pm #

    Kakabel I don’t believe I was addressing you particularly. I was talking to the hand dyed scarf seller. The one who says “because, no I did not ‘gang up on people, no I did not ‘believe I owned the place’, no I did not run ‘a clique’. Did I talk to people who were like that? Yes, but then, so did you.” in one breathe then defends them as “great handmade artists muted or had their shops completely shut down on them with no warnings,” in another breathe. She and I both know to whom she and I refer, and my description fits them better IMHO. No one misses them and one was just outed as ripping people off with her sob stories and another is racking up bad feedback left and right as we speak. These are just some examples of “great artists who have been muted and had their shops completely shut down”. They are legends in their own fucking minds IMHO.

  133. PussDaddyBlogs (@PussDaddyBlogs) June 12, 2012 at 4:05 pm #

    And I will note that I am sure some people were muted and shut down who did not deserve it and so I would not be referring to them. However a big group removed recently deserved exactly wha they got and mostly brought it on themselves. Don’t believe everything you are told or read that some of these people tell you is what I am saying because sometimes they are misinformed or outright lying about the circumstances in which things happened. That’s all I have to say.

  134. Wolf June 12, 2012 at 5:36 pm #

    @PussDaddy- Hate to break it to you, but, um, no, I do not know who you are refering to as “one was just outed as ripping people off with her sob stories and another is racking up bad feedback left and right as we speak”, so if you’d like to enlighten me, I’d appreciate it.

    Obviously YOU spend more time in and around Etsy than I have these last 2 years, so you’d know more about who has and hasn’t left by now than I do. Especially since I had no idea that there was supposedly “a big group removed” recently. Who, since you’re in the know?

    Here’s a tip- when I left Etsy, I left the Forums as well. And I haven’t been back. The only time I go to Etsy these days, is to check out the resellers called out here- ie, directly to their shops, or to the few shops I still buy from, which I have direct links to THEIR shops as well. So my interaction with Etsy is as minimal as I can make it.

  135. Kakabel June 12, 2012 at 5:58 pm #

    @PussDaddy, when you make sweeping statements where grammatically the “you” is plural, and includes identifiers that include pretty much everyone on here, yeah, one tends to think one is included in those sweeping statements.

    Alas, I have not yet found the “sarcasm font” to identify my attempts at wit. The first part of my comment was serious, the “popularity contest” part was sarcasm.😉

    It is easy to cross contaminate ones frustrations onto bystanders in forums. Thus I usually avoid them.
    Randomly commenting on blogs? Yeah when I need a break I’ll read a blog and maybe comment… Regretsy brought me here for “Inkgate” and I’ve been puttering here since. I like to leave the commenter illusions intact, personally… Its not like I buy much, and barter is easier when you know the person face-to-face.

  136. BeardedIris June 13, 2012 at 9:26 am #

    OK I give…who is Wolf?

  137. PussDaddyBlogs (@PussDaddyBlogs) June 13, 2012 at 2:59 pm #

    When I copy and paste and reference a quote by name I would think it pretty clear I am talking to that person whether I use the word “you” or not.

  138. PussDaddyBlogs (@PussDaddyBlogs) June 13, 2012 at 3:09 pm #

    I tell ya what Wolf, why don’t you just name the “great handmade artists muted or had their shops completely shut down on them with no warnings”, the “silenced malcontents”, and I will verfiy if any are on the list of those who I said brought it upon themselves. Otherwise let’s assume that we both are referencing at least some of the same people.

  139. Wolf June 14, 2012 at 2:19 pm #

    @PussDaddyBlogs Because it’s been over 2 years since I’ve been to the forums and haven’t kep up with what’s been going on there, unlike you apparently have?

    Hell right now I can barely remember last week, let alone 2 years ago.

    So. Who’s been shut down recently?

  140. susan June 16, 2012 at 6:52 am #

    Late comment but Etsy has an established hammock seller, also from Masaya, Maribel Hernandez of Hamanica http://www.etsy.com/people/hamanica who has been around since 2010. It’s also a family owned “collective” but they also hire temporary workers when they get a lot of orders. Her prices are even lower than Ms. Veronica. What a race to the bottom it is.

  141. Cammy July 12, 2012 at 8:12 am #

    Made to order is not a violation on Etsy’s TOU.

    I find it funny on a blog doing a callout on resellers (especially with the latest furniture debaucle) that there would be a complaint against an actual hand builder of wood furniture, myself.

    Of course we don’t have a mill’s worth of wood on hand to build with. Where would we keep it? In my bedroom? I understand maybe having an issue with someone who knits socks or makes cupcakes making their products made to order, but really we can only have so much furniture on hand at any one time being a legitimate builder.
    We don’t have a warehouse to stock items in. LOL.

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